Friday Q&A on Reducing Bad Habits with Daisy Asaf

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1:46You can also find us on Instagram. We're on at Made by Mummers. But for now, George, should we get into it? It's Friday and that means it's a Q &A podcast and joining us today is Daisy Asaf. Now, Daisy, you've been on a bit of a low-tox food journey. You de-schooled your son, is that right? So we're going to talk all things low-tox, family food, de-schooling and like anything else. But just before we get into the chat, I don't know if you just want to take us on that journey and like why you kind of came to this. um I mean yeah it's it's quite a long story but basically I would probably say I was never actually always like this I guess I was just a bit you know did I say normal like everyone else yeah just you know follow what everyone else is doing um I would probably say it was like during like the Covid times that I was a little bit like I don't know just something just sparked inside me I don't know I just started questioning a lot of stuff um um that was probably like one of the first little bits that I was a bit unsure of.

2:53And then I had a bit of a health scale with my son, which this is probably not the longest bit to explain. But basically when he was like two or three, I saw this little lump that came up on his ankle. So I took him to the doctors about it and was like, oh, just a little bit worried. Like, could you check it out? And I was like, oh, it's nothing to worry about. Like, it looks like it's just like a ganglion cyst or whatever. I was like okay that's fine came away and then I was still I kept looking at it thinking oh I just I'm really not sure like I just kept worrying about it so I took him back to the doctors again um I think this is probably like a year or two years later he's probably about four or five now um and they were like look if you're really worried about it we can we can remove it so I was like okay let's just remove it I said because it's like keeping me up at night I'm just thinking of like the worst so they was like okay anyway he went in to have the operation removed it all good got the results back went in and they were like oh yeah everything's absolutely fine they were like there's um there's nothing wrong with it like it's all come back it's just literally a cyst I was like okay great and then they was like we weren't able to actually remove the whole thing it was probably like a small sort of pea size lump slightly bigger um and then yeah they said we wasn't able to get it all out because we'd have to go like wider um but they were just like we'll just keep an eye on it anyway it um then just started growing back in like a bit of a weird shape because obviously where they cut a bit out and left a bit it was like really strange so again took him back I was like look it's growing back they're like okay right let's let's take him let's refer him and let's get it removed again so we got it removed again um and then this time they called me I was actually on holiday and the doctor called me and was like just to let you know like we're sending it off for further testing they're like I don't think it's like anything to worry about would they just like we just want to be 100 % sure I said okay didn't hear anything again went for the six week checkup so this is like the second operation went for the second checkup and they were like we walked into the room and we just like me and my husband we just sat down with our son we just thought he was literally going for um just like you know like you like the discharge yeah um and we sat down and they just were like they just looked at us like with these blank faces and was like um they're like what do you know and we were like sorry what what what do you mean they were like what do you know and we were like we don't we don't know anything we've we just literally come in to be discharged and then um there was that okay yeah I bet your heart just literally was like in my mouth I had my little girl as well with me at the time like she was literally about one this was about three years ago or maybe even more because she's nearly four now she was literally a baby and they were just like um we're really sorry but we actually um have suspected that um he's got clear cell sarcoma which is like a really rare form of cancer and it's really strange because it was the day because my cousin who passed away from clear cell sarcoma as well and it was like his anniversary of that death so you know like your whole world just comes crumbling down and I was just like what what and then they were like um yeah we're just waiting for like like them to confirm we've sent it off to two other hospitals sent off to um Stanmore which and then another one the Royal Marsden and we're just waiting for them um to confirm it so we just know like the next steps obviously my whole world I was just like oh my god I was like I was literally on the floor like crying and my son was like what mum what what did they say and I was like to my husband I was like you're gonna have to look you're gonna have to leave like with the kids because I was like you know like you're just in so much shock yeah and then they left and I just sat in this room and I was like oh my god I was like what I was like I mean I just can't get over it and then yeah they just were like look we'll contact you in a couple of days they'll like go home we'll let you know like when we've heard something I was like like what like what do I do like so was your son in the room yeah like did you was your son in the room did you hear the words cancer yeah and he literally went have I got cancer because obviously he's older as well yeah he's he's nearly 12 now so he was what like eight and he was like no obviously they know what that is they've heard it and he was just like and I was like no no no I said they think you have like I was like just didn't want to frighten him so then yeah obviously they left and my husband was just outside with the kids um and then I just came out and was just like oh my god like rang my mum crying like everyone was just like just couldn't believe it so yeah we went back home obviously I was like just couldn't stop crying like I honestly think I just cried like a river like I just could not stop I was like thinking the worst and I would like sit and google it and I was like this is like the worst one you could get like there's everything that I'm reading is like leg amputation it's like all like your head's spinning because you're just you instantly think of like the worst but I was looking at him thinking how like he's so fit and healthy like how has he got this I just don't understand um anyway the whole day went past like and obviously even at that point I'm like I've gone literally full in like my sister come around if like my whole family was just sitting there and was my sister was like trying to find all these like private hospitals and doctors and all these alternative treatments we just I mean I didn't get out of bed I literally just sat like in shock and cried they was doing everything for me and then literally that night went by the next day my phone started ringing and it was it was the hospital so I answered it and said oh like hello and they're like you see um Hudson's mum and I said yeah they're like I've got good news I was like what they were like it's not cancer I was like what I was like are you I was like oh my god are you joking but I was like are you sure because then I'm like of course it's like I've been to that place of hell like I've had that diagnosis for my child even though there was like they didn't obviously say it's 100 % that they were like this is what we think it is from our pathology results this is what we suspect it but we need to get it confirmed by these two hospitals but from their results we that's what they that's what they had it down as so so hudson's cancer cancer scare was the the sort of trigger yeah for you to jump into a new way of kind of i guess eating and living and then the way that you sort of saw the world just tell us the changes that you made at the beginning before we get into the questions yeah so i just think obviously from that scare i then went into like Like you could just imagine like that's, I've spoke about it a lot on my page.

9:16Like I just developed health anxiety really bad. And even to this day now, like I still have the biggest fear of like hospitals, appointments. Like I can't even take my kids to a doctor's appointment. I have to literally get my husband to do it because I'm absolutely like, I'm so petrified of that. Like, you know, like when you've been to that place, you're just like, you just, you keep thinking that. I was so shocked that I just never, ever thought them words was going to come out of his mouth. I was just like, it was just the biggest shock. And again, it just, it felt like a wake up call. And it felt like for me, even though it was most scariest thing ever, it was a bit of a, like a slap around the face.

9:51Like, right, you need to get life in order now because you just never, ever want to hear them words again. And I guess that's what kind of like sparked me to, to change all of the stuff that we did. And what were those changes, Daisy? So like, even with like the way we were eating. So for example, like I, I've never, I hadn't grew up in a house where we just lived off processed food. like we did eat good food as well but I think this day and age like we just have turned to convenience so much like you know like as mums we're all busy we're all working and we've just all like got into that pattern before I think not not so much now because I think everyone's sort of yeah people are changing a little bit yeah but a few years ago like we were just giving our kids you know just packets of crisps and sweets off the shelf and not even looking at the labels and then when I started looking at the labels you know like crisps chocolates just the everyday things that the kids were having I was just like god what on earth are all these ingredients in them I had no idea what they were it's you know it's obviously all about everything's in moderation but it's like if you're doing it every single day it like mounts up doesn't it well I think you when you see something has has got to the shelf and we all know how difficult it is for products to get past to get onto the shelves you just assume that it's fine and I mean I mean I do I'm I definitely I'm don't you know I'm not looking at things in the way that you do so much but I'm way more mindful now like to you know so much stuff not to like that extreme but yeah like I now don't just assume that everything's fine because it's in the kids the kids eye or whatever yeah I mean I'm not extreme like I do like to call myself a scrunchie mum I think oh yes yeah like there's this thing that I discovered where it's like crunchy mum or it's like almond mum apparently there's all these like names what's the crunchy mum a crunchy mum is where they're like literally like you know like the cloth nappies that they wouldn't use like disposable for Nathies they were like they're just yeah they're just very organic yeah exactly this is what I mean so it's just about being a bit more like realistic making realistic swaps that's what I do I'm not 100 % like like it all the time because I do think it's pretty impossible unless you literally live on a farm with like your own well and all of that like but also listen I'm a kid of the 90s um my diet was chips chicken nuggets pizza and and a roast on a sunday i mean so i think when you come from that and that's all you know yeah i i think i i can't quite figure out how where i sit on it and i think you hit the nail on the head daisy when you said it's about balance because let's be honest there's going to be people listening to this podcast that heard you say what you know crisps and sweets that's what i do yeah but i don't do it every day but I still do it and actually I gave my kids chicken nuggets and chips three times last week and that was because I was absolutely exhausted running around doing X, Y and Z but you know then then we had a roast yesterday so it's like it's kind of like there has to be that balance and that understanding because there is so much scaremongering and I think that's wrong too.

12:46Shall we get into the questions? Yeah let's do it. Tips for quick low-tox meals? I think that's a good yeah that is um it's it do you know what I think it has become a lot easier where people are getting so much more aware of it there's some really good like pasta sauce swaps as well like in the shops like Heinz do a really good one now that's literally just vegetables with olive oil for chicken nuggets and stuff like that which again like it's a firm favorite isn't it you know the kids can eat it but you can make them so easy like I've got a reel on my page making them and fish fingers as well like you literally it's so easy to do them like just dipping them in egg flour and panko breadcrumbs yeah that's it yeah and then you can also like freeze them so you've got them chuck them in the air fryer or the oven and they're done that's just a really good classic that I love to make and I would probably just say like it's just cooking from scratch I think I've got into that habit now where I'm like don't get me wrong I'm the same they'll have chicken nuggets and stuff now and again but I've just got into that habit of making things from scratch our dinners are pretty basic they're like they'll have like steak chips but I'll make the chips myself I'll do like wedges and they'll have you know a bit of cucumber or whatever they want with it or vegetables and the same it's just the same sort of repeated meals I don't know I just make I actually think it's easier making things from scratch I think once you know how to do it you can hide so many things in it as well like a spaghetti bolognese like mine are fussy as well so I think you'll find some accounts where they're like they're like packing all these like chunky vegetables mine would literally pick them all out like I wish mine would too yeah like when I sit in one shot I'm like oh I really wish mine would eat that but I just know they wouldn't yeah but you can blend it like you can blend stuff up it's just again it's just having the time isn't it but I do I do think if you set yourself a bit of time like aside even like two three hours and you just prep some stuff for like the freezer like I like to make um like pizza bases just out of like yogurt and flour and I freeze them and then I just literally put on like the even the M &S like there's so many good options now like m &s have literally got so many good things the little pizza sauce and a bit of cheese and that's just such a good quick dinner that literally takes like five minutes you've got no upfs in there it's all made from scratch you know exactly what's in it um so yeah it's just you know what i think it is it's finding things that your kids love and like adapting the recipe yeah yeah i mean i've got one fussy eater and one like non-fussy eater and I was really smug with my non-fussy eater like you know we'd be having like salmon and roasted veg and pulses and all of this and then I've got a chicken nuggets and chips girl but I do what you do and I literally just not even every week probably once a month yeah I make a massive batch of chicken nuggets and then they go in the freezer in individual bags and I'm like oh well that's fine yeah but it is you're so right it's that two three hours on a Sunday when maybe the kids are doing something else and you just like go through and kind of get it done I do it with pancakes as well like and then just whack it in the freezer yeah what about the more sort of budget supermarkets because obviously M &S is fortunes we love M &S but obviously Aldi is good Aldi's got some really good bits I've done a video on Aldi before they've got some good swaps in there definitely um they've got all like the sort of their own brand of like the yo-yo bears and they've got even like the bake at home bread rolls they're really good I have them um you can buy sourdough bread mix in Aldi it's 85p I go and buy like 10 things of them and then you have got to bake it at home but you haven't got to worry about the sourdough starter or anything any of that it's literally just like mix it for eight minutes leave it to rise and then put it in the oven and then it's really good is it you're baking your own bread bread George of course I am what do you take me for are you fucking kidding me genuinely no no of course I do yeah you are baking your own bread yeah that's great i've i've done a couple of loaves yeah but so i'm not like it's literally water inside some pre-made pre-made mix yeah it's not that you can't like it's not to the levels that you know lots of people go to it's long isn't it like i've done i've done a loaf of couple of loaves of bread before but it's like something that you have to stay in all day yeah you got i can't do that 16 hours like the time i thought about making bread i'm like oh it's not going to work out.

17:03Like the time you need to like fold it. And then I do really want to get one of them bread makers. I really would like one of them. But my mother-in-law's got one actually. And she, I come down in the morning when we go to Scotland and all you can smell is fresh bread. And she's just whipped one up overnight. And I'm like, when? We were still drinking till 10. When? That's good. that's good. That's quite convenient for mums, isn't it? Yeah. I was going to say, I only do it once a week and that loaf of bread doesn't last a week. No. So then I am buying bread. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like I'm not.

17:30Do you have like a local baker she can go to? Yeah, well, I have my dad who delivers it. Oh, it's beautiful. Yeah. I've got a really good baker's lady in my house, so I'll just go in there and I'll get my bread and sourdough out of there every week, so. Yeah. I'm a bit lazy, I'll just go buy it. Daisy, if Georgia had a different podcast partner, she would have her own cooking show by now. Yeah. I've totally fucked the whole thing up for her. I think we need the balance. Unless there's like a sort of like can't cook, can cook type show that we could then pitch. Because she's so good, Georgia's amazing.

17:59and she also really understands it and she also doesn't ram it down you know there's such a lovely discussion around food and what she like you do daisy do you know what i mean there's those swaps which she's really aware of yeah um so it's great it's great to hear it because i think sometimes like i think i go back to that sort of scaremongering i don't want people to feel like that about it we are all trying to do our best but like you make it so accessible because you're saying you know i saw um i think it was about the wraps and georgia said to me she was like you're not giving the kids or like do you give the kids wraps and i was like yeah i do and she was like mate she was like you can just make your own at home it takes 10 minutes but also you can buy those crosta and molecule ones that's what i was gonna say because wraps are a faff yeah they're easy to make yeah they're a faff like to cook that's you know what i feel like i made these recently but mine was so dry yeah i don't know i've watched their like an online tutorial and they looked amazing it's all like squishy mine was like i was like i'll just buy them yeah i will try Yeah, more of a tauté chip.

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20:49Welcome back to this episode of Made by Mamas. Now, where were we? What about products for the kids, like bath products, skin products, all that kind of stuff? What brands are really good? So I like Kit & Kin. It's a really good brand, even for babies. Is that Emma Bunton's brand? Is that still going? Yeah. That's a really good brand. I feel like that's really underrated. I don't feel like there's a lot of... No, you don't see those about it. It's not blown up on ads on social media and stuff like that, but maybe she doesn't need to because she's doing so well. I don't know. but yeah kit and kin is a really good one like even all of their laundry products and stuff they're all fragrance free they're really good i like the brand minimal as well oh yeah yeah they're good um can i just oh sorry can i just interrupt you know um with the fragrance free does that mean that when you pull your washing out it doesn't smell like summer's day yeah it's really devastating isn't it no yeah like that was one of the hardest lots for me like i was i was like a full-on you know mrs hinch fan like i literally loved all of like the products and And then when I was like, oh, we don't want to swap my washing stuff.

21:50Because I love, I love fairy, like the smell of that. Yeah. Which is like heaven. Just bought nine bottles of it. Have you? Oh, my God, I'm done. You're done for. I think, do Minimal do cleaning products as well? Yeah, they do cleaning stuff. I think I've got one of their sprays. Oh, my God, we love Purdy and Fig, don't you, George? Oh, I'm saying, that's my absolute favourite. Yes. I love Purdy. Because it's like, it's low-tox and it also smells nice. Yeah, it does. Because you like, you know, you want to walk into your house and go like, oh, it smells nice, it smells clean. like you want that but you just don't want all of like do you know what it's really funny because I used to use all of them you know like all the flash sprays and stuff like that and I used to love it but now I actually get a headache from because I think I'm I'm not used to it anymore like you know when I when you go in like Tesco's or whatever I go down the aisle and I think oh my god like I can feel a headache yeah it's too strong for me because I'm not used to that like synthetic sort of smell anymore yeah um but that is why I love Purdy and Fig because I just feel Yeah, perdy will feel amazing.

22:44Love it. Really good. What are your thoughts on alcohol? Alcohol? Do you drink? Not really. Just because. Would it be for the same reasons in terms of toxins and poison? I just don't know how it makes me feel. I used to go out and get drunk all the time in my 20s and when I was younger. People would probably look and be, are you sure you're like the way you are now? Because of how you used to be. like you know you're in a beef and like you're just literally just loving life and whatever but yeah now I'm just I just doesn't really appeal to me I think because I've got kids as well unless do you know what it is if I go to like a wedding abroad with my husband if like it's a friend's wedding I will let loose and have a really good time but when I'm here like here I know I've got to go home to the kids I can't bear the feeling of a hangover the next day I suffer so bad like even the other day I went to an event I had like one one the next day I was like I couldn't focus yeah I'm just not used to drinking anymore and it's not because I think oh it's really really bad because like everything in moderation but I just don't I just don't really like it anymore I'm like I'm so boring that I'm like my my dream day out is like going to like a spa and like have an early night being in bed by like nine o 'clock with like a decaf tea like that's my kind of heaven and what about me do you have a lot of meat yeah we do we do yeah but we do always have organic meat to be honest it is a lot more expensive but when you sort of look into how it's all like farmed and all stuff like that I think you're just like oh yeah and you can really tell the difference as well like I am a bit of a snob with me I'm not gonna lie how many times would you give would you give the kids me we have meat every day I probably say you do yeah but I don't know if you're your husband's not the same where mine are like literally mine he is literally like how many you got all my husbands yeah he's literally like where's the meat if i if i just make like a jacket potato or something which is like my dream dinner like just easy quick beans on toast jacket potato something like that i'm like happy he'll be like where is the meat where's the meat yeah yeah we've both got similar husbands yeah they just want the meat all the time don't they yes to be fair i'm my son my daughter actually doesn't really like me that much oh really yeah yeah yeah um someone here has put i deregistered my nine-year-old son from school just before Easter.

25:01We've not really started anything yet at home. And to be honest, I still don't know where I'd start. Have you naturally found your groove with it? Or have you been setting specific time aside each day for learning? My boy is still quite traumatized from school. So I'm trying to take it easy. Yeah, it's really awful. It's really awful. It's so sad when they're going through something like that. So yeah, obviously, I deregistered my son, I think it was about February um we had a couple of weeks off but um personally for me I felt like after about two weeks I felt like he was ready to sort of get into routine like he was asking um like what we were doing and stuff like that um I've been really lucky like I know quite a lot of people in my area that homeschool like it's always been on my radar like I've always wanted to home educate but I've just never ever been in the position to be able to do it um and when I started my account I actually said to my kids that it's funny because they were like why you started an Instagram account at least I've only had my account in about a year and a half now and they was like oh mum it's really cringe blah blah blah like right well listen the end goal is that we you know I can make a job out of this and I'll be able to home educate you and homeschool you because they they all want to be homeschooled like they none of my kids have ever got on in school they've just never really liked it um so it's always been on the radar and then obviously yeah when I pulled my son out I naturally knew quite a lot of people that were doing it um so one of my friends um Lauren she's kind of just taken me under her wing really she's just shown me all the ropes she's showed me like what tutors to use what clubs there is in my area so I've been so lucky with that but there's so many groups and stuff like online that you can find you know classes and groups and stuff but yeah I guess every kid is different a lot of people I know that they like to do the whole de-schooling thing and they like to just leave them for like a couple of months and not do anything but I do feel like every child is different aren't they like mine he was ready to get into the swing of lessons that we had the two weeks off and then now he has Monday Tuesday Wednesday where we have like set things that he does so on a Monday he has his science lesson online so which is like 11 till 12 and it's like a small online group and then he has boxing which I take him to and then he does maths online so that's like our Monday and then on a Tuesday he has a tutor which she comes to our house and she does English for an hour and then he has forest school so I take him to a forest school meet up with like other kids his age and they saw down trees and just run around free they just love it and then a Wednesday does cooking art maths and then Thursday and Friday is kind of free at the minute but yeah just trying to fill that little bit up I guess really but yeah yeah and how does it work like do they do I mean I guess everyone's different but is will he still do exams or not like yeah yeah so I still want him to do GCSEs but obviously he's only in year seven at the minute so it's quite far off to be honest but yeah I definitely want him to at least do free so English math science and then something that he just actually enjoys it's just it's been amazing for him like I feel like he's just really found himself like he's because you know he's just become really like creative like he started doing drumming like piano and like all these just different activities that he would never have done at school because do you know what it is I feel like at school they're so judged by every other child that like when I sit and watch him now like the other day was doing this he does this drumming and he was like getting so into it and I was like I want it to cry I was literally looking at him thinking he would never have been able to do that in school because you know like kids like especially boys they can just like they'll stand there and they'll like take the take the mick out of him or whatever but I just feel like he's so much happier like so that's so amazing yeah like it's incredible to hear isn't it and actually so it's so interesting the way that you sort of structured it because in my mind then I was thinking what about your languages and what about ever you know but actually if if he's more interested in you know learning how to saw down a tree and get the life skills and do the drumming and stuff then why does it have to look conventional yeah conventional we're so programmed to be one way this is like you're curating a life that he knowing his interests and his loves and his passions and you're curating that life for him yeah exactly it's brilliant yeah well done i'd love it yeah i think every child is different like my middle boy is still in school at the minute but he is desperate to get out now but he's in year five he's going into year six and i'm kind of like i just really want him to be able to finish year six and I won't be sending him to secondary school because for me secondary school was the worst part like my my eldest you know he sailed through primary school and he was all it was all right he got to secondary school and everything just it just blew up for him like you know like it's a really hard age isn't it like they're they're 11 12 years old they've gone from this small primary school to this huge school yeah and for him like he went into the school and then it came out that they were like okay we think he's dyslexic potential ADHD um a language processing disorder I'm like where is this all come from this but to be fair this was with a private um specialist like on the side but the school then also picked up the dyslexia and I was like he's gone through all the primary school didn't have a clue always struggled but just you know just kind of masked it and got through but then now I just that he was just like a different child like he just went really within himself he was just really upset all the time you know he was so sad he was crying all the time and just really really low like didn't have a good friendship group and and it was really sad because he didn't actually get his first choice of school he got his second choice and all of his cousins and his friends went to a different school oh no and I kind of thought you know what it was he just didn't get in and I appealed and he still didn't get in and I just think and I at the time I thought you know what it'll be a really good fresh start for because his cousins are the same age as him and they've gone through the same school I thought sometimes you kind of want them to sort of sometimes it's a good make their own friends out of school so then when they're together you know it's not as intense but he just never ever really settled he just was yeah it's so interesting isn't it and that's why I love like doing this podcast speaking to so many different people of different experiences because some people like some kids being separated from friends and family would have you know they would thrive and others don't like and I guess it's just all about knowing what's right and also just knowing that the choice is right that's that's the whole point it's scary it's really scary I think going against the grain like when I wanted to do it and he just came home one day and he just was so upset he was just like I can't do it anymore mum he was like I'm just so like he was in pieces and I thought oh that's heartbreaking and then he just said to me he was like mum I've actually got no friends he was like I actually he was like I sat on my own I sit on my own at lunch and I thought and I've just been stabbed in the heart.

31:49I thought, I can't. I thought, I cannot do it anymore. And I just thought to myself, what am I waiting for? And I'm quite an impulsive person. I just literally thought, I'm doing it. I thought, what have I got to lose? What's the worst that can happen? If it all goes wrong, it can go back. It can go back, exactly. Daisy, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. We've just been given the nod that we've been talking for a few years. Have we? Yes. Yeah. Obviously, give Daisy a follow if you're not following her already. and thank you so much for sending in all of your questions. As always, we'd love you to rate, review, subscribe and please give the podcast a follow.

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