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2:36And actually, I think the listeners probably know quite well. He goes by Judgey James, but he is my husband. Hi James Hey how are you? I'm really good you missed out one important thing You said your listeners Know me but they also love me You missed that part He's so modest This is probably going to be the theme Of the podcast And if anyone has listened to how Axel is You now know where Axel gets His modesty from It's definitely not me You have to to be fair you always used to say this what like confidence it only gets knocked out of you so yeah it does it's true you might as well be high on confidence for as long as you can yeah otherwise it just gets yeah knocked out of you yeah it does it's true and do you remember when you were playing football and every before every i've never said this before before every single game i used to send you a motivational quote didn't i i don't know i wouldn't say it was a motivational quote but you'd just be like yeah i did yeah yeah because i know because i used to be that was my pinterest algorithm was motivational quotes yeah i might not have been at the games because i didn't want to but i definitely used to help motivate you um we normally ask our guests how their mornings have been how's your morning been oh you asked your guest how how's my morning been my morning's been really nice actually um a nice slow start actually to the week which is nice building into it yeah like today we didn't have the kids did we this morning yeah so breakfast yeah breakfast time was calm yeah yeah we commuted together commuted together yeah and then james has actually been probably wouldn't say that's a thing that i'd like to do on a regular occurrence but well commute with me yeah it'd be a bit much wouldn't it why well imagine doing that every day that's my break well that's my break from you isn't it but we didn't even speak no we did i showed you some new in on the arquette website that's it I didn't say anything else I just think it could be a bit I was actually told as soon as we get on the train we don't sit down you don't sit down on the train because you sit down all day and you don't need to sit down on the train and also there's so many germs on the train there are a lot of germs on trains yeah have you ever seen that video where that man goes around and he cleans the tube seats?

5:26No. Oh, my God. Right, I'll show you it and then you'll never sit down again. Right, okay. So there we go. It is bad. Yeah, okay, fine. Well, we weren't allowed to sit down. Apparently, we're not supposed to speak either. No, no, no. No, we can talk. But what I'm saying is if we've done that every single day, it just might be a lot, mightn't it? Oh, I thought it was quite nice. I could probably commute with you and just not talk to you. but like I said that's my break that's your break yeah you get a break down don't you and I don't because I'm at home like in the office and then I'd walk straight into the house into like yeah yeah true the zone and then you actually have your well a few days a week you go in don't you um but we're just back from a really nice holiday aren't we we are so I actually shared on um um Instagram like you know how we found it we were offered a few free nights we had a bit of a discount and it was amazing we stayed at a place called Hillside Beach Club that I'd looked at for ages and really wanted to go to but it was kind of one of those like elusive places because if you go online you can't really find out how much it is a night can't really find out how to book it and we went and we realized why it's because everybody who is there have been going for like 30 years or they were their fifth summer there or and it's I think what happens is people almost book the second that they come back yeah or they maybe speak to the hotel just as they're leaving yeah and rebook to try and yeah rearrange rebook whatever yeah but it was quite a funny holiday for us because we've gone from I don't know like what was our first holiday of Axel like we went to Mykonos and we sat, do you remember, on the first night.

7:17First of all, we took three enormous suitcases and one suitcase was just Axel Sleepyhead. If anyone remembers, I don't know if Sleepyhead, I think it's called Dockotot now. I don't know if they're called Sleepyhead. What, Sleepyhead's not going? No, I don't think it's called Sleepyhead. I think it's called Dockotot. Why is it called Dockotot? I don't know. Does it? They just are. Okay. Anyway, this was the giant one and it took up basically a whole suitcase. We had every apparatus that you could ever imagine. Sean the sheep? Like Sean, yeah, Sean, Ewan the sheep. Oh, Ewan. Sean. What's Sean the sheep?

7:53Sean the sheep. Wallace and Gromit. Yeah. Yeah, sorry, Ewan. Yeah. Obviously, they wouldn't be able to call it Sean the sheep. No, not Sean the sheep. We had all sorts of stuff with us. And on the first night, do you remember, we tried to stick to our routine. So it was like seven o 'clock. We turned all the lights off. We put Axel and his sleepyhead in the cot. We put the white noise on. And then we called room service and we sat in the bathroom and ate our dinner off the toilet. And the room obviously was pitch black. And the room was pitch black. And then I think we looked at each other and we were like, what are we doing here?

8:28This is really weird. And it was quite a stressful holiday in lots of ways because he wouldn't sleep when we were out. We used to put the cover. Yeah, I remember the nightshade or whatever it's called. Yeah. Is it called nightshade still? Has it changed? Snooshade. Snooshade. Snooshade. Still called that? I don't know. Yeah. And he would just like pull it down, wouldn't he? Yeah, he'd pull it off. Yeah, he would. We'd be sitting having dinner. With his feet or whatever he could. Yeah, just yank it off. Yeah, and then stick his head out. Yeah. Or like we'd be sunbathing and he'd be sat like, Under the sunbed.

9:07Under the sunbed, yeah. Yeah. And I think from that, literally from that moment on, that changed the way that we, not parented, but that changed our routines when we went on holiday. We literally was like, we're on holiday now. Let's stop it. There's no routine. Yeah. Yeah. But fast forward to this holiday, how many meals did we have on our own? Yeah. A fair few, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Axel made friends. he basically maybe like day three and that's what I mean it's a bit like commuting to work one of them probably don't want that to happen on too many occasions just me and you having right okay this is great you do it was nice it was nice wasn't it but can you imagine doing that all the time no because we didn't want that in the end did we you didn't want it Yeah, like the first...

10:06Because Axel wouldn't have meals with you. And then all of a sudden you was like man-marking him, like literally running over to him and he wants to play with his friends. And then you just like, like just hugging him and like walking around next to him. No, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was. Like, are you going to have lunch with us today? Are you going to have dinner with us? Are you going to have breakfast? Are you going to, oh, leave him alone. He's having a time for his life. He's got freedom in this place that literally like, he's so safe, so secure and got untold activities for kids. And then you're literally like...

10:34Oh no, I actually was. I was like, but no, the first two days, he wouldn't leave us alone. And we spent like, you know, being like, Axel, why don't you, I mean, this place is nuts. Like there's every activity for kids ever imaginable. Like every type of child, like whether you're sport, there was a basketball court, there was football court, there was paddle, there was table tennis. and then there's also like a whole art section you could go and do tie dye you could do rock painting there's waters i mean absolutely paint bags everything you could ever imagine they even had um remote control yeah right go and do remote control cars on there was just everything and so for two days we were like axel just go and just go in the kids club just go we took him to the kids club to look at it he wouldn't go in we literally went bright red and walked off then we'd be like make friends why don't you make friends think it's a good idea to make friends and then how did he make friends was it the football um i think he played did he play football one night and then yeah he played football didn't he i think and then yeah that's really bad for a guest um yeah he met so then he made friends and then honestly we never saw him and it yeah he wanted to eat meals with his friends they went off we got the water sports bill um he just was going off but it's quite interesting wasn't it because it it kind at home he has no freedom none no like none like he where we live you can't walk out you can't you're onto a country road straight away you can't walk to the shops he doesn't have any freedom whereas there he had loads and there would be times where we'd be we think we haven't seen him for four hours yeah oh yeah yeah and then you're like oh where is it where is he and you start being like it wasn't even that it was in in then at a night time you'd finish your meal come down grab a drink or whatever and then all of a sudden he's like oh i'm gonna go we're playing hide and seek whatever it was and then like literally half an hour hour hour and a half it's getting like to like 11 o 'clock at night and he's just running around the resort like obviously having fun with his friends with new friends whatever but and yeah but I felt so I felt like I didn't feel panicked or worried at all no I didn't either to be fair like I wasn't worried but it it did show me like you say I was the one who as soon as his friends weren't there I'd be like on him like a leech like just give me a quick give me a cuddle just give me a cuddle let me kiss your face and he'd be like okay you've got five seconds literally wouldn't he or he'd say don't do it that you can do it now but don't do it when my friends come yeah don't do it in front of my friends and it's a lot it's like such a big change i think he has changed the most oh yeah in the last like five months four months yeah five six months he has really changed he's now into girls which yeah i literally if you'd have said a girl's name about eight nine months ago bright red like would absolutely fume wouldn't he yeah of like get really cross and really angry with you yeah and then now you say a girl's name you'd be like yeah i know yeah whatever yeah really like uh yeah yeah yeah or he says it all the time like he'll he'll say things won't he about a certain girl and he'll be like yes because i just don't stop looking at her and like you're like oh my god okay or he says things like yeah well all the pretty girls are there or and you're like oh right so what does that mean what are the pretty girls and then last night he was giving me his full description of what constitutes a pretty girl and I was like wow this is really interesting but it's funny because he he basically likes everything that's gg which cracks me up because he'll say like they hate each other at home don't they or she doesn't hate him I don't think actually that's what's actually funny he he obviously yeah he's about oh Gigi's annoying and all that sort of stuff but actually like he he is obsessed with her yeah he loves her yeah and he when you talk about girls he likes he's like actually they're really quite like Gigi you know sassy bossy like all of these things yeah sporty and then he goes oh that's actually quite like Gigi well it's probably just because I'm used to it and it's just it is it's a funny um it is a funny change yeah it's big change yeah but I like it it's good it's it's good that he's now grown out of that little phase and actually I don't know whether he might go through it again as he gets a little bit older yeah um but at the moment it's it's quite good and I think the more you talk about it the more open you are oh god the easier and like and I think that's with anything because you know like Like at his school, they had to do, I don't know what they even called it now, sex education.

15:59Yeah. But they're talking to him and they said that they can speak to him about it. And if there's no questions and there's no, yeah, any like further in, not what do you say, queries on stuff, then it just stops at a certain point. but if the questions keep coming and they keep the kids are still intrigued and they keep going then they just keep talking about it and I just think yeah okay don't get wrong there is there are there are there is an age that is far too young but my understanding from what I've sort of read is that nine to ten or nine to eleven is when you get quite a big change in boys yeah and And I just think if they're more comfortable around girls and they understand like these things, then it's better and easier.

16:51And I think just being open, I think that's what like we're really trying, aren't we? Which is easier said than done. Yeah. To like be the person that they don't go, oh shit, don't tell mum and dad. They go, oh shit, I need to tell mum and dad. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's something, that's probably the thing that we're coming up against now. We're in a sweet spot with Gigi at the moment. like Gigi is just well no not to you she's not lovely to me she is lovely um no I feel like you butt heads with her more than me oh no yeah definitely because James you don't get the like but I feel like this is probably this might be a second child this might be a girl thing I don't know I get it more girls like Gigi she loves a bit of attention she loves a bit of drama like she will the rash thing she's always like I've got a rash and I'm like no well you haven't like I'm looking at her skin she's not got a rash and you'll be like oh for god's sake why why is she being like oh god so annoying whereas I'll be like oh let me see your rash and then it turns out someone at school's got eczema she wants eczema too you know like it's that whole thing is it you don't understand that but I do because I was the girl because you was extra I was the girl who there was a girl in our class who broke her ankle and then I put on a limp for about six weeks yeah about six weeks and I tried to make my parents take me to hospital like and I look back at that I'm like that must have been so annoying yeah exactly that's what I'm saying and then I'm I'm in that position now where everything's like a drama or everything's like oh Gigi please is yeah she is yeah but she's at the sweets but where it's like she's seven you know she's got the thing she's interested in she's obviously sleeps and ish eats um doesn't really eat um and you know all of that stuff is all figured out school isn't that serious yeah yeah like it's all quite nice yeah and at the moment axel is at that stage where it's really hard work yeah i would say oh no yeah definitely yeah like schools intense really like said he's going probably gonna start going through some different hormones kicking in to him yeah um yes i think at the moment it's quite like yeah he's going through major changes yes definitely yeah we'll be right back after this short break

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21:44Welcome back to this episode of Made by Mamas. Now, where were we? We've sort of maybe touched on it, but we moved Axel to a new school just after Easter. yeah um it wasn't something that was ever planned um we'd maybe looked in year three to move him um and anyway this place came up it's at a local fee pain school um that a lot of his football mates were at we decided i don't know let's just give it a go see how how he sort of copes with it i guess when we're looking at senior schools where we are you've only got one or two grammar schools one is really good but like mentally hard to get into like crazy crazy hard to get into and a lot of pressure then there's another one i don't know loads about because we haven't looked at then you've got quite a few private schools that are good like really good and then there's like three or four state schools a couple of religious and then a couple aren't so it's quite varied like they are it's not like you could just go they're all the same they're not they're all very different like and they're the one the grammar school that's really academic what you hear is that there's a lot of pressure and some kids don't cope with that pressure and so had he gone from the primary school he was at where there was no pressure no absolutely none which is good in some ways to the primary school he's at now there is a lot of pressure yeah it will almost like i don't know well i guess we'll see because we're seeing now how he handles it and it's not all been good no no no it hasn't no it hasn't all been good i think it's just more the um i think the pressure he's fine with i think it's more the

23:39intenseness maybe yeah or the relentlessness of like the homework and stuff like that that's the thing that i think he finds not difficult because no he doesn't he doesn't find it difficult i think it's just like the relentlessness of like you know another monday you do homework for tuesday tuesday you've got homework for wednesday and it's a bit like wow coming from where he'd come from where it was like no homework pretty much pretty much yeah but he's had homework during the some holidays he had like two weeks and they had a lot of homework and it had to be handed in today and that has been a real battle actually yeah the final the final piece and yesterday um we had gone out so i went to pt came back and then we went out for a walk and we were supposed to just go out for a walk but we ended up being out for like four hours we went for breakfast went for a walk went ended up at like the cricket um round and then his coach happened to be there he started practicing and then by the time we got home it was like later than we thought and he had this final bit of homework to do and it he was crying then I got maybe I think for us, we can't necessarily afford private school easily.

25:02We probably can afford it just, but it's definitely not a, like, just an easy thing. It's not like a given decision. It's a big decision for us. And that's not his fault. That's on us. Yeah, of course. Us choosing to do that. But for me, him going to this school is really highlighted. like when he says when he reacts to not wanting to do his homework I'm going I say to him well I'm not going to then pay for you to go to secondary school if you can't even be bothered which is this is probably so the wrong thing to do but I'm glad we're learning it now um I'm like you can't be bothered whatever don't worry about it it's not me I I end up going I've done all this I've been there like that's up to you if you want to if you want to like sack it off you go for it and that doesn't really bode very well then he gets really upset doesn't he and then he starts saying I'm not clever yeah I'm not that clever and then I feel like oh my god I feel really bad that isn't what I meant I just meant what I really mean is and I do genuinely feel this school isn't the be all and end all it's really not I don't like I just don't think it is so what I want to say to him is if you're not even that fussed about school I'm not saying you're going to be a failure because listen you're not because we might be but we hear so many people who fail at school and do really well in life i'm not saying that but what i'm saying is we're not going to put loads of effort into getting you into a good school if you don't care that's fine like i'm not even bothered by it i'm not even like cross about it i just want to know i almost want to be like can you ask you're saying because that's what i'm saying that's what i want to say i can't say it but that's what i want to say i want to be like if you're just going to like bov it off just tell me and i won't care and that's when i'll redirect you into like something else and that's absolutely what you're gonna redirect him i don't know but i'm just not gonna put loads of pressure on school if he's gonna but we didn't put pressure on school anyway but i wouldn't think we are now no i think it's the whole i think it's the whole accumulation of it creates that yeah and i think yeah anyway so he was crying like laying in bed you get cross i get like on my high horse i just think i just can't i literally like you've got homework to do like there's nothing there's no other way about it like you've just you've got to do your homework and you could have done it in the two days that you first broke up or the four days okay you went away for a week so you know take your homework with he did take his homework with him there was times in them first few days where he was sat on the sunbed next to us just you know having a chat or whatever and we could have had a chat and done his homework with him on the sunbed like we had there's all those opportunities obviously like you said you don't want to put too much pressure on him so you're away have fun don't do your homework but and again he's nine years old and it's hard for them to grasp that timings and dates and days and that because they all sort of probably blend into one i don't get me wrong i'd love to be nine again and have a couple of bits of homework to do did you ever do any homework yeah loads that is such a lie absolutely never but yes he was then in bed crying his eyes out wasn't he and it's just like oh my god it's literally a page of fractions like oh god this is just so much and then i go into the light i just can't be asked anymore whatever just don't and then goes into the office doesn't he sits does it all happy as anything and you think why did we go for all of that we've just had like two hours of like up to the height someone's crying, someone's shouting, I'm just like furious, to like talking him off a cliff, to then doing the homework and then being happy.

29:12I just think, God, I just don't know if I can do that for year 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. I just don't. I'm like, oh, if this is what it's going to be like going to a school where they put loads of pressure on them, I'm not sure if I mean. Yeah, I know what you mean. I really not. I think it's just getting into a routine and a habit, isn't it? Or just not. Just sack it up. Yeah, or just, or not. Yeah. But I think if you get, it's like me now. I don't, I can't, I haven't exercised or done anything for years. And now it's like, I'm trying to get myself up to go in and do some exercise. How are you trying to do that?

29:53Because I haven't seen it. Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. But I can't. So in my head, I'm crying. I love this. I'm crying in my head. I'm essentially crying, you know, don't want to do it. Can't be bothered. Of course I am. Yeah. But really I'm like, I'm like, oh, come on, just get a grip. Like look at the state of you now. You need to get, you need to get in the gym. Is that what you're saying to yourself? Obviously. Yeah. Well, I'm not going, oh, you look good. Yeah. I have another year off. Is that what you've been doing for the last five years? No, for the last four. because I'd look in the mirror and I'd be like oh look see still got it still got it year two years still got it and then literally now I'm like oh my god look in the mirror I'm like whoa you don't have it it's funny because I used to go through this with you didn't I like years ago especially before we were getting married I'd be like oh I can't be bothered I can't go And you'd just be like, just do it.

30:56I don't understand. Just go. Just go to the gym. Just don't eat this. I don't understand. What's wrong? And now I love it. Yeah. Because you haven't got the motivation either. Oh, I've got none. Yeah, it's really bad. It's really bad. When we were on holiday, James took part in a swimming race. Oh, I don't. Oh, that isn't even funny. So we sort of didn't really understand. When we first got there, we didn't understand the resort. And like, it's one of those places where if someone had said to me there's all these activities, I'd be like, oh, I don't think that's for me. I don't think that's what place is for me.

31:29I know exactly. Do you know what I mean? Evening entertainment. Oh, no. All of that is just a big no for me. That makes me feel like, oh, God, like we prefer going to like fillers or like boutique hotels or. Yeah, you're sort of not left alone, but you're like, you just. You don't force fun. Force fun. Yeah, exactly that. Yeah, that's actually a good word. And actually, when we got there, it's so beautiful and all of that. It feels like a boutique hotel. Yeah, it does. But they have all these activities, but they're not like shouted about or in your face or any of that, which is amazing. Yeah.

32:05Because we just, you just go off and do them. No one knows that you're doing them. But anyway, this day people came around and they were like, oh, is anyone a good swimmer? Again, like literally that quiet. Is anyone a good swimmer? And I was like, like this. So it was Axel. And James was like, yeah, yeah, I'm all right. I used to swim, whatever you said. I did used to swim. Yeah, so did I. Doesn't mean I'm going to put myself in a swimming race. Yeah, but you probably didn't really swim, did you? I need to get free out the other comment that you made in a minute. Anyway, so he's like, yeah, yeah, go on and put my name down.

32:42Oh, there's hardly anyone on the list. So James is like, I'm going to win this. Of course I am. But anyway, we walk over and I'm looking and I'm like, oh there's quite a lot of people going in this swimming race and quite a lot of them look quite young and also very fit like some of the women looked like they were athletes like super fit some of them in their 60s like you know when you just see someone you're like wow you dedicate your whole life to exercise it was all of those people a bit like you you do that and james Right? You do that, don't you? Sure. And then they give out swimming hats and goggles and you didn't want to put the hat on because you didn't want your hair follicles to be ripped out.

33:27No, I didn't say that. Jay's had a hair transplant in January and it's just growing in now. And so he was like, I'm not putting this hat on. And you were very much like, I'm not putting it. I'm not going to put the hat on. I just went, oh, I won't put the hat on. I'll just wear the goggles. Yeah. And then they said, you have to. You have to. Yeah. I don't know why. Then it turns out they have to get a boat out. So the swimming race is in the sea and they had to get a boat out and it was 350 metre race. It was disgusting. And so me and Axel was sat on the side. And Axel was like, don't worry, daddy will be able to do this.

34:04He's a really good swimmer. And I'm thinking, I'm going to be a single mum. So what I was thinking, I was like, I'm going to be on my own after this. Where's the insurance? Like, I really hope this is going to be all right. And halfway through, I'm thinking, he's not going to die. He's actually going to die. One boy literally flew down like it was nothing. James didn't even look like he was moving. We were looking and we were like, is he moving? I'm thinking, I don't think he's moving. I think he's drowning. I don't think he's moving. And then Axel went, he's doing breaststroke. And anyway, he came last in your...

34:43You did come last overall on the times, but in his heat, he came last. And obviously I knew that would be worse than any pain, any physical pain. Coming last would be like the worst part. And then he didn't even come over to us. He was pouring water over his head. He couldn't breathe. No, no. It was the salt water was so salty. It wasn't the lack of fitness. No, no. There was that obviously as well. But the salt water, so I needed that bottle of water. Yeah. And it was, yeah, it was vile. It was just a bit. It was horrendous. I'm telling you, my chest and my triceps are still hurting now. It's got to be, what, a week on?

35:32No. I don't know. 10 days on? Yeah. Honestly, I do this and my chest is so tight here. anyway so after that chat after that thing James then says to me um how did it come about I said oh god I just those women like so athletic like so cool like they're like you know 60s 70s there's certainly James goes to me I'll turn you into an athlete it's like right okay what do you mean by that because i could turn you into an athlete right okay how like talk me through how we're going to do this then because i'm probably the least athletic person that there is no you you have the biggest mental block ever that's your problem he then says to me you don't know about pain you don't know how to push through faith i didn't say you don't know how to push it i said And you have a block and a mental blockage.

36:32Yeah. Yeah, but you do though. But you have that now too. No, no, no, because I actually pushed myself hard then. Once. What, in that race once? Yeah. Oh yeah, in like the last God knows how many years. Yeah, that was probably the first time I've really like pushed myself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm just interested how I'm being turned into an athlete. And how are we measuring it? Yeah, that's actually a good question. I've not actually thought about how I'm going to measure that. Will it be that I can run 100 metres? Maybe you can run. Yeah, I think that's what it is. Right. So I can run? Yeah, but properly.

37:11Properly. Like 100 metres. Maybe that is what we should do. What? Next year's school parents race. You've got to run in it and win it. Oh, my God. That's a big no. That is it. That is our test. That is our marker. that is it oh my god okay you have to win the dad's race and I have to win the mum's race because I don't care it's fine I'm happy to lose no no you have to win I think you've just missed no but I'll just do it no no you just said oh right you have to win and I have to win but I don't care no you have to win or there's a forfeit what's the forfeit I don't know we'll think about it listeners can tell in and tell us what the forfeit is.

38:02Could be like, you might have to dye your hair black or something like that. No, that's too far. No, no, no. I'm not. I'm actually not doing that and I'm not doing the mum's race. But it's just ridiculous. Why not? Because I'm just not. I'm just not. No. Oh, boring. It's not boring. You just don't enjoy it. But this is our benchmark to turn you into an athlete. You can't not do it. that's the mark that's the marker we could just do a pretend one get the time of yeah get the time of the mum so we've gone from doing the mum's race to now not doing it and now just doing just see if I can beat the time just see if you can beat the time yeah in the garden yeah I think that's about right that's good yeah I thought yeah but I mean yeah well I'm gonna enter it and I'm gonna win it you're gonna win it are you yeah okay let's see we'll be right back after this short break.

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41:22Welcome back to this episode of Made by Mamas. Now, where were we? James is also football, head of football this, what are you this year? The football team? Football manager. What? You're taking the boys team? No, I'm helping out with Axel's team, yeah. How do you feel about that, actually? We've never spoken about this because I think this is something that is quite dad heavy. like when it comes to sports teams I don't know please write like send us in if you are a mum that is taking a child's um sports team like Gigi doesn't play in a team sport if she did maybe would I take it probably not but well she started she asked to play football yesterday didn't she in the garden and that was good down full everything yeah full kit trainers and the Headband.

42:14Yeah. But she only did that because Axel was doing his homework and she wanted to walk past and be like, I'm just going to play football in the garden with Daddy. So you're doing your homework and look at me. Yeah. I'm doing this. Definitely. That is why. Yeah. Would you take her team? Yeah. If she played football, you would. I'd take her. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Why wouldn't I? Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to. I'd love her to play football. I ask her all the time. Any sport, like we've asked, haven't we? Yeah. No. Football, golf. She likes a bit of golf, actually. Yeah, she does. But yeah, so you're taking Axel's football team this year.

42:49And I think, yeah, we've never really touched on it because I think loads of people do it. Like my friend Caroline's husband, Tom, I think he's involved with Dexter's football team. Yeah, I think it's Matt, I don't know. But there are definitely people who get involved in their kids. And I didn't realise how much goes into it. I don't know if I just thought that the manager, the manager of the kids' team just was the one who had the balls in his boot. I think that's what I thought. But genuinely, I don't. And now I'm like, oh, there's admin. There's collecting fees. There's all sorts. You're not doing that, though, are you?

43:28No, thankfully. Thankfully, I'm not doing that because that's not my strength. Correct. But I'd like to think my strength would be to understand a little bit about football. Yeah. Yeah, that will be your strength. And to motivate. And to motivate. Am I good motivated then? Apparently so. You don't motivate me. I do not. No. No. Not with exercise. When we go in the gym together, you're just telling me I'm doing absolutely everything wrong. No, no, I don't. That doesn't motivate me. Just so you know. I don't say that you're doing everything wrong. You do. No, I don't. This is where your mental block comes in.

44:09We'll go back to this is where the mental block comes in as well. because George will go into the gym and she'll put on, you know, like two 10s or two 15s. I'm like, she's doing it. I'm like, oh, you might as well just put two 20s on. By the way, two 15s is 30. 30 plus the bar of 20, that's 50 kilos. Yeah. That's a lot for me. No, it's not. That's what I'm saying. You've got a mental block. You should be able to lift your body weight. Yeah, but that's not far off. It's like 10 kilos off. right so you're still 10 kilos off so you might as well put two 20s on and then just go and push yourself but you don't that's what i'm saying you don't you have that mental block so it'd be like oh no i can't i can't do that no you can okay anyway that doesn't motivate me when you come in and you're like put some more on that's too light so you're so how are you gonna be with the boys then are you gonna be like good cop motivational or you're gonna be like that was rubbish no you know I'm not like that I'm definitely not like that um yeah most yeah encouragement motivation boombox on the touchline requesting their favorite songs so each can have two like they'll each have give me their two favorite songs and then boombox on the touchline in the warm-up it can be playing because that's i just think like music gets people going like and i just think oh yeah and then have like some sort of like internal agreement as well so it's like they're like we'll have like non-negotiables so non-negotiables are you know working hard like these sorts of things and then and we all sign up to it and we all go with it and then that's your basis of your team.

46:02I'm actually genuinely interested to see how this plays out. Yes, I am. Are you? Yeah, you actually are. Yeah, I am because for the last, I don't know, however many years Axel's been playing football, you've never been involved at all. No. Like not one single bit. And like there was times when you were like a sideline dad and you'd have to like walk off because you'd be so frustrated by it or like you'd be kicking a tree because you're so angry. No, you would. No, I would stand. in a completely different area because I couldn't handle or listen to some of the nonsense that I've spoken. And that's just like, it was just a bit like, sometimes it was just a bit much.

46:38I was just like, Jesus Christ. But I'm not going to sit here and go, I'm not intense with Axel. Like, I am. Yeah, we are hard on Axel. Like, I am not hard on him, but, you know. But there's just some times where I was just like, wow, they're like eight years old. and like you've got managers like celebrating on the pitch and stuff like that I'm just like oh my god really is it that yeah is it that does it mean that much to you yeah it really doesn't mean that much to me but I am really intrigued to how it will go because yeah it's new something new and something different but I'm looking forward to it yeah because I think it's because you've got like all your coaching badges and all that stuff haven't you but I guess going and managing a team where your son is in it yeah it's like really different because it's and I think anyone listening as well like who is involved with their kids and sport it's not just about the sport it's about like friendships dynamics parents yeah there's actually so much but also your relationship with like my relationship with Axel or you know like yeah does it will it affect it in any way will it make it better will it do you know what I mean you've got all those aspects to it as well yeah i just think yeah i'm sure it'd be fun yeah and you're no doubt you'll just tell me to check myself when yeah i've spoken i've i've spoken to the podcast a couple of times about how we have that little look to each other now when we think each other's going too far and like actually it's really worked hasn't it yeah no it's been good yeah because you do it to me now where you're like i think you're going too far with this one yeah because i think the school thing and the where else do i go to oh just like in the mornings oh my god have a day off seriously first thing come on ready get away we've got to leave like the school is literally like two minute drive they have to be there at half past eight and they're leaving at 10 past eight i'm like or you're at the door like a sergeant like right um attention everyone have you got your bags have you got your water bottle all right chill out like it's 10 past eight school is two minutes down the road and also what does it matter if they would leave that door and they turn up to school 30 seconds late it doesn't matter it doesn't matter to you no no no it doesn't it generally doesn't matter it doesn't matter it's because you don't care about being late no no it's not about caring what i would prefer is i'd prefer the kids go out leave the house in a nice chilled way.

49:21You're such a contradiction. What? Because you're so like, oh yeah, let's be so chill. Let's be so chill. And then you're like, right, this is right, out in the garden. Give me this. Do that again. It's like, it's the biggest contradiction ever. Because I'm probably, actually I'm not relaxed at all now. I used to be really low back, but I'm definitely not low back anymore. You're getting uptight in your old age. Yeah, I am actually. God, that's really annoying. When I said to James the other day, I was like, are you a type A or a type B? And you're literally like, shut up. What even is this? And then I'm reading the traits of like type A and type B.

49:59And I'm like, I definitely, when we first met, was type B 100%. I was messy. I still can't even. I was like unorganized. I was really relaxed about everything. When I first met you, I could not see the color of the floor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly. No, no, no. I'm not even. It was awful. I am not exaggerating or anything. It was an absolute disgrace. Yeah, and when we first moved in together. Yeah, I hated it. I was so messy. I hated it. I'm not going to lie. And then you bullied me into being a type A. Bullied you? You did. That is such a mad thing to shout out. I'd be scared when you got home from training.

50:38Oh, yeah. There weren't any mess. Oh, yeah. You'd get home to a lovely, clean home. I know. and like now I leave like a fall this is what I'm saying actually this is this is you know where this is probably be right up there with one of your best listens right this is what I'm saying if we're going to do this regular we should have like I've said to you before we should have like sections on the podcast you're not coming on this podcast again it's literally because Zoe's in a V plus you're not invited again maybe like once a year is fine twice a year is fine okay put it out to listeners i guarantee you they'll want more than me me for more than just once a year oh my god right so so we should come up with something so i was gonna say this is what annoys me about you right so we should come up with like a little section so you know if i eventually come like a weekly like oh my god right okay it could be like the weekly weekly annoyance what's annoyed me about you this week so you could call it i don't know maybe means i will do this and you're not here couples court so then yeah so you're in the court and then i stand up and i say right this is this is this is what has annoyed me about you this week yeah then you can then stand there and give you a defense on why you moaned about me again.

52:10Go on, tell me what's annoyed you this week. Shoes at the front door. Right? That really annoys me. I want people to put their shoes away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm talking I've got one pair of shoes at the front door. Yeah. And we literally just had storage built so that there would be no shoes at the front door. Like, literally, that is the sole reason we had the storage bill. No, you're missing the point. And we're saying to the kids as well, make sure you put your shoes away. And then I come to the front door and I'm like, going on to the kids like, please make sure you put your shoes away.

52:46And then James is just there. And I'm like, great. He can't even put his shoes away. No, no, I can. But I'm going to use them shoes again in the next, like... No, they just go away. It's like two seconds just to put them in the drawer. But then when I go out in half an hour's time, I've got to then go into the drawer again. You've had to spend 20 seconds because you're literally putting them by the drawer. So it's like there or there. I think we should have a policy in place that at the end, to say maybe like nine o 'clock at night. I never want to see a shoe in the hallway, ever. I think nine o 'clock at night, they go away then.

53:20No, I don't agree. I think it's objection. Objection, I don't agree. I'm not going to agree. Yeah, I don't get it. Why would we bother having the storage built if they're just going to be in the hallway in the day? I go to bed at nine o 'clock, not bothered. Yeah, I'll put them away then. But then I'm never going to see a clear hallway because I'm going to sleep for it. Okay, fair point. Well, that is actually quite a good point then. I see your point. Do you? Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Great. Okay. Perfect. Or can we have a basket next to them? No, just put it in the drawer. I'm not buying a basket next to a drawer.

54:00This is what I cannot get my head around. I can't get my head around. James has had this one bag, especially because you were the tidy one. I don't understand. When I moved in with you, you were, it is, it's still in the office, you were the tidy one. He was so pernickety about everything and I was so the opposite. And now it's changed and now he doesn't even know how to shut a door. You don't even know how to shut a wardrobe door. You don't shut it. Or he hangs his clothes outside the wardrobe. Yeah, ready for the next day. But why? It's just the same effort to take them out of the wardrobe. No, because they're ready then, aren't they?

54:42They're outside the wardrobe ready to go for the next day. But this is take like a millisecond different and just looks so much neater. And it's only a day. Chill out. I just don't want to see it. I just don't understand. Why does it need to be out? All right.

54:59okay I think I went anyway right let's stop before we end up in an actual blown argument he's looking at me here like no I'm not it's a fair point what's your what's your one thing that's annoyed I've just given you one the wardrobe your clothes away okay okay so you win on both of them probably then yeah but let's stop there yeah that would be good right anyway thank you so much for listening everyone I'm glad that I have won won that challenge if you have enjoyed this episode please don't tell us we don't want to know we don't want to invite James back on the podcast that's poor that is poor that is so poor if you like this episode please subscribe comment rate, review and subscribe rate, review, subscribe but let's and give me big shout outs we can't wait for Zari to be back we hope she's having a lovely time but we are really looking forward to having her back.

55:54If you have got any feedback on this episode or guests you'd like to hear from, drop us a DM on Instagram. We're on at Made by Mummers. And we'll be back on Friday. I like that you asked your listeners what guests should come on. Yeah, every week. That's really good.

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