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1:56Hello and welcome to Made by Mamas, the podcast. I'm Zoe Hardman. And I'm Georgia Dayton. And this is your parenting safe space where no conversation is off limits. With five kids between G and I, we have seen a lot.

2:09Georgia Dayton: We really have. Each week we'll be joined by some famous faces and experts and we'll chat about the brands and products that have saved us along the way. In short, we're the parenting podcast for you. Before we get started, hit subscribe or follow so you're the first to know when each episode lands. And they're on Tuesdays and Fridays. And it really helps if you leave a rating and a review. You can also find us on Instagram. We're on at Made by Mummers. But for now, George, should we get into it?

2:40Georgia Dayton: I'm good. I'm good. I think it's important to be transparent that we're pre-recording this ahead of our holidays because they're and I actually not in the country together for six weeks, which was bad planning on our part, really, wasn't it? Normally we're, well, was it? Because normally you don't have two people off at the same time. But in our job, we kind of need to be off at the same time. But we're not. So here we are. And also I think it's safe to say and be transparent that we do this podcast 365 days and a quarter of the year. And sometimes it's important for you and I to take a step back, not for you guys listening, because there'll always be content for you, but for actually for us to go off and be with our kids, be with our partners, go and explore the world a bit.

3:30So we are taking a couple of weeks off. You're going to Disneyland.

3:35Georgia Dayton: Yes. And I actually think when this comes out, I will have been. so you could keep an eye on my Instagram to see how I found it um because you're dreading it aren't you oh yeah yeah I am dreading it I'm I'm having a word with myself and trying to be really positive about it because I really want to enjoy it and I really want the kids to enjoy it and I didn't I only went to Disneyland Paris when I was a kid I never went to like Disneyland Disneyland Florida is going to be next level I think you're gonna love it I think it's probably because I know you I think it's probably the crowds. I think it's probably the day in, day out of doing it.

4:11And also maybe worrying that the kids are going to find it a bit overwhelming because it is a lot.

4:16Georgia Dayton: Do you know what? I have to be honest. I actually wish I'd never read anything before I went. Do you know what I mean? It's one of them where everyone gives you all of this, like, we must do this and you must do this and you must do this and join this group and you'll find out all the tips and join that. And now I'm like, oh, my God, this feels overwhelming. So what I'm going to try and do is just give you the like bones of what you need to know without all of the noise around it. So, yeah, we'll see. And you're going to be in Ibiza, even though you said you wasn't going to go back. You are. I didn't say I wasn't going to go back.

4:50Not for a family holiday, you said.

4:52Georgia Dayton: You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. I did say that completely. And I'm not sure what's happened. It is our favourite island to go. but I think what happened last year was that we went, obviously we went with two other families who are our dear mates, but I don't know if anyone can back me up on this listening. And I know that Henry, who we went away with, she listens to the podcast. So, and she's in agreement that it was too much. For two weeks in our villa with two other families and the kids, we didn't have anyone helping us. We were doing all the cooking, all the cleaning, you know, looking after the kids, trying to stay up probably a bit too late and hanging onto our young pre-kids self.

5:27And then it was like, you know, nine o 'clock came and we were like, oh, God, the kids are, you know, ready for breakfast. And we were exhausted. So we're going to do it differently this year. It's just going to be the five of us. We're staying at our friend's villa. We know the island inside out. We've booked some tennis camps, some kids camps and water sports. We're going to take a rib out like we're going to do just different things this year rather than just kind of, I don't know, drinking too much and staying up too late.

5:53Georgia Dayton: Yeah. Lovely. So nice. Because it's a holiday for the kids. And Isla's at the age where she just wants to do stuff all the time. Yeah, she probably wants a bit of freedom as well, doesn't she, I guess? Yeah. Not that much freedom in Ibiza. You let me in on a little something when you get back from Ibiza. Are you having a new family member? What is going on? Yeah, guys, I feel like this is a really good time to tell you and it's completely unexpected and I had no idea that this could even happen for me. But we're getting a dog. ah what did that sound like a pregnancy announcement yeah it did it was funny um yeah we're doing it end of august um australian labradoodle we've put our names down i've paid the deposit it's just about timings now so just in terms of when the letter is going to be ready but we're going to get a boy um obviously now the kids have got a new thing to fight about because what we're going to call the dog so i've said that i've got to okay all the names and then five names are going in the hat and we're just going to pull one out yeah because kit was like what about brian oh that's cute that's a good dog name brian is a good dog's name brian is a great dog's name but i'm really excited but you've told me not to do it no no no no i haven't told you not to do it we um we had a dog then he lived with my parents then he came back you know and then we shared him And then he was really old, was put down.

7:22Georgia Dayton: When he was put down, we always said that we would get another dog because we think it's really good for the kids. I didn't grow up with dogs or cats or pets. And I was petrified of dogs. And so the way I got over it was to get one. And so in my mind, I always thought it was really important for kids to have some sort of family pet. I also think it's really good to teach kids about death and looking after someone. All of that stuff. I think it's really good. so we always said we definitely would so we yeah we were like chatting about it like yeah let's definitely do it then we dog sat for our friends for two weeks how did that go for you do you know what she's actually like the most well-behaved dog it's like almost like having a robot dog because at 10 30 she goes to bed she goes into her crate and goes to bed and she has curtains on her crate but go down like she's so well behaved and so well trained but what I've realized is I don't think we have time like I don't like I I was finding I was never really getting time to walk her and this is in the summer when like it's like till really late and I think that has kind of made me realize that maybe it's not a now thing maybe it's a wait another year um because just at the moment like I've mentioned before kids clubs and all that kind of stuff in the evenings we're out in the day I'm quite often out my parents are up the road which they keep saying to me is like just drop the dog to us like I mean you barely had Rufus you can definitely dump the dog on your parents no no I know I can but I'm just thinking I want to get it right and do the training right and do all of that right which is obviously what you know you're gonna to give it like the right time i'm excited yeah it'll be so cute i'm excited i think the fear of the i say the unknown i haven't had a dog since we've had kids so i think if you've got a dog before you had children then you love the dog like a child like a child you do you do yeah but now i've obviously got three children i'm thinking can you would you just be a bit like oh for god's sakes I don't but I grew up with animals and I absolutely adore them and Luna is obsessed with dogs I mean absolutely obsessed and she did say to me the other day you're ruining my childhood by not getting me a dog and I'm thinking fucking hell is that the narrative I know exactly so we've got to do it we're gonna do it we'll take such special care and uh and it will be amazing and actually Dawson can take the dog to work with him yeah he works 15 minutes down the road and then the days that I'm working from home he can be here with us it's gonna be fine you know it will it totally he will and i think yeah you'll absolutely make it work and i think we will do it at some point because i do i think as well like sounds so weird but axel's really anxious and having a dog around has made him less anxious like it's so noticeable so i think there are some real benefits aren't there there are some real benefits and talking of real benefits i wanted to come on today and talk about what an amazing week we've had with taking kit off his screen and buying loads of lego i shout out to lego because we bought some lego they sent us a big box as a thank you we sent a big box of lego a yellow box it's like a starter kit oh my god it's amazing it's absolute lego sent it to us because remember when nadine coyle came on the podcast she had a partnership with lego and i think it was off of that because they do all those creative workshops right i'm gonna add this this i'm we're gonna link this yellow starter kit because he's been he's been using it for seven days non-stop and has done the whole thing that he hasn't once asked for his ipad he hasn't i've taken youtube off both of the tellies so he's not watching gaming when i don't know that he's doing it now and he's been engaged his anxiety's gone down he's been sleeping better he's been eating better not his mood has been so much I'm not joking I swear to god watching gaming and gaming is brain rot and I'm standing I'm standing by that I totally agree with you I think a lot of what the content on YouTube for my kids great book no no I'm for mine called the content on YouTube for kids is brain rot not all of it I'm sure there's some some stuff that's not but the stuff that my kids land on is brain rot and I don't know what it does but I I am with you on it like it's scary actually it is really scary but that's amazing that that's worked so well we've been sitting outside and just being together and doing his lego and he said to me the other day he said this has been my favorite day ever and I suddenly thought right what have we done today and it was that we didn't turn the television on once when he got back from school and it was just the two of us doing it together and he was like I'm just so into my lego it's amazing and then obviously being a parent and wanting everything to be perfect I was like god I should have got this in the house you know months and months ago but I'm just so glad we've landed on it now you've done it yeah and I think do you know what if you're listening to this and you're sort of like during the school holidays trying to entertain the kids and find things to do something that we've always done is I say always the last couple of years we ask the kids at the beginning of the holiday to write down things that they really want to do during the school holidays so that you don't get overwhelmed with like, oh, we've got to go to Chessington, we've got to go to Thorpe Park, we've got to do this, we've got to do that, and try and fill all your days.

12:56Georgia Dayton: No, exactly. It's mentally expensive. Anyway, whenever we get them to write this list down, it's never that. It's never going to Thorpe Park. It's never big days out. It's things like playing Lego together. It's things like playing Cluedo. It's things like having a sleepover. and my kids have this thing that every school holidays they want us all to share a bed so normally we haven't got like a huge bed I think we've got like a king-sized bed it doesn't fit four people in it we normally would go and stay somewhere that's got an emperor-sized bed you know we do these things or they also want to camp in the garden these are all the things that they've asked to do and I think we always think that you have to do all these big elaborate days out and you don't like playing lego in the garden like having you know a picnic in the park all of those things are actually what they will remember and what they want to do um so you should if anyone's listening get your kids to write a list of like a few things that they want to do such a good tip and you'll be so surprised by and also you can get you can get so my sister so when i went down to my sister's and there was no room at the inn for me and i had to end up sleeping in a garden garden but I actually had such a great sleep and felt amazing the next morning my kids were saying please can we camp in the garden in the summer and I got a really inexpensive tent from decathlon which came in like two days so we're going to do that as well so we'll link that because it's such a nice treat you know what not not everyone has the luxury of going away for their week's holiday that actually you can create that environment at home just do something different that doesn't cost fortunes but you know what the kids have left they're now at one school together so I'm I'm I'm really pleased because that end of term stuff for us obviously when you guys listen to this podcast we'll just be going through that now but I'm so glad it's it's soon to be over we'll be right back after this short break

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16:10Welcome back to this episode of Made by Mamas. Now, where were we?

16:13Georgia Dayton: Do you know something I really wanted to talk about? And I think I posted a picture of Axel's hair and how long it is and it's tied back in a ponytail now. And he's always had long hair on and off. Like sometimes it's been short, sometimes it's been long. And someone messaged me and said, oh, does he ever get mistaken for a girl? And if so, does it upset him? Does it upset you? And I wanted to talk to you about it because he gets mistaken for a girl every day. Like every single day he gets mistaken for a girl. Oh my God, always, always, always, always. Like I always get, oh, aren't the girls well behaved?

16:57Georgia Dayton: oh the girls are playing nicely together oh isn't she lovely all the time okay and I think at first like maybe this has happened forever so like this has happened since he was like three you know so for me at first I used to be like he he you know like and I'd always get a bit like what why are they saying he's a girl anyway now he's old old enough to be like why am I always getting mistaken of a girl we've had a conversation and I'm like listen like does it bother you and he's like no and I'm like okay cool well what should we do and he goes let's just go let's just play along so I'm like okay so I just said to him I was like listen it's because you maybe look pretty like you've got like nice hair it's really pretty so it's a compliment that they think that you're a girl like because actually being a girl is pretty great um and and so now he just laughs at it he's like he went and got an ice cream on his own the other day at the tournament he went oh I just got called a little lady and I was like how did you and now we just laugh along but it's it's interesting what that brings up like because at first I felt really like he's a boy what that's actually a fascinating point isn't it so are we saying that maybe it triggered so does it does it trigger that feeling of not wanting for axel or sorry you not wanting axel to be seen as feminine i don't know and maybe it's this whole thing around the language you know like oh you're acting like a girl don't be don't cry like a girl and actually girl having like a negative connotation when you're putting down a boy you know like and i think that does definitely happen like oh you don't want him to act like a girl he's crying like a little girl he's acting like a little girl that is like what we've been like we've grown up with right yeah the kids of the 90s yeah you don't want a boy to act like a girl because but then I we actually did a podcast with um that lady from the sunshine magazine and she said the reason like the reason why that's so wrong is because you're putting females as second to males by doing that and so then that obviously triggered something in my mind and I was like oh my god you kind of are like not knowingly but like you know just in us remember the yorkie campaign that it was uh yorkie just not for girls not for girls said not for girls yeah yeah keys jesus they were nice but i did think i was eating it oh it's not for me it's not for girls and so anyway we've landed on it now and but we just what are you gonna do then say anything we just laugh along we just because axel actually doesn't care about being called a girl like that doesn't bother him he's like okay cool whatever so now we We just don't bother correcting anybody or saying anything.

19:49Georgia Dayton: We just say, which is very mature of him because I mean, what, regardless of what, because they're not saying it as in they're just seeing what they're saying. They're just saying what they see in their mind at the same time. They would be mortified. But if you're not mortified, you know, it is. I've done it before. I've done it so many times. Oh yeah. Oh my God. You're so gorgeous. Like that's a boy. Yeah. It's like, okay, look, I'm really sorry because I can see the reaction on the parents' face. Yeah. You know, it's a simple, innocent mistake, isn't it? But I love the fact that Axel's got his head round it and he's like, well, let's just play along with it.

20:24Let's laugh about it.

20:25Georgia Dayton: Yeah. That's what we've landed on. He's not going to cut his hair. Axel loves attention. So I think he quite likes the attention. He says he likes to be different. And so I think he quite enjoys it. So that's fine. He did say he was going to cut it in August. that's not happened yet so okay still time we'll see we'll see what happens so I'm feeling a bit anxious today because Doza is leaving on Saturday and he's going away for two weeks to Australia oh yeah I am leaving on Wednesday and I'm going for three nights to Ibiza to go and do a recce because obviously I'm DJing there in August and I thought I better pop out and see what the sound system's like wink wink nudge nudge of course need a business trip yeah so I won't see him for nearly three weeks which is the longest we have ever gone in our 10 years.

21:15The longest we've gone is four nights away from one another. Four nights in 10 years. Oh, my God. Is that weird?

21:24Georgia Dayton: No, I mean, it's not. It makes sense because I think when you meet, like, as adults, you don't really have any of that, like, time. You don't really have time apart, do you? No. Because you can move in when you want to. Like, it's all good. It's fine. but I also have never in the 10 years that I've been together with Dozo apart from SJ's hen do I haven't ever done a girls holiday oh my god no and this is what this is so I've got three nights away with with my girlfriend Amelia and it's just the two of us and we're meeting some other mates that are there and it and and it's not Dozo's not coming kids aren't coming it's just me on a girls holiday can you imagine the photographs on Instagram why has she got a blow up suck me fuck me doll that she's floating on well because it's a girl's holiday oh my gosh you're like literally like a walking hen do that's not a hen do my girl's holidays now like I went away with a friend on Friday night we don't we we don't want to put makeup on we don't want to have to get ready we just have a nice dinner drink champagne and go to bed you need to really really have a word with yourself well you're 35 years old 36 now i've tipped over the edge is it your birthday when was your birthday a couple of weeks ago end of may yeah i did send you a message i'm always away yeah no and i'm never here so but so so you're anxious because why because what do you think is going to happen in three weeks you're going to forget each other's names i don't know it's more that i'm walking into three weeks on breakfast where i have to get up every single day at four o 'clock in the morning and Doz is not going to be here so that means our lovely nanny Taylor's got to move in I have to leave the kids well because I'm leaving at 4 45 so it's like no one's here to help and it's my busiest period and I feel a little bit overwhelmed so I'm a little bit worried and also you know having to have those like fairly grown-up conversations with the kids where I'm like I'm going to be leaving every morning I wanted them to get prepared for that because it's actually a week away and they obviously hate that and kit was saying to me last night why can't you just be like a normal mom i was like what does that mean and he said well i just want you to pick me up from school every day and i don't want you to leave but i still want you to earn money so can you just not do what you do but do it at home and i just said kit like that just doesn't work it he tapped in so i want to get your advice on this do you think that they know what our deepest wound is and then they go on go in on it yeah so dozer says kit knows because i made him that my deepest wound is being away from them and thinking or perceiving that i have this mum guilt and i'm taking too much time working too much because i have to provide for the family so dozer thinks at the age of seven that kit understands that dynamic in me and I say that's bullshit actually this is just what he needs and I'm not going to be able to fulfill it and he was like yeah but that's just you're just beating yourself up with something that you can't get out of do you know what I mean so he thinks that he's sort of almost like yeah but he sees that in you and he's saying it for a reason and I'm like yeah the reason is he wants his mum around yeah I would agree what do you think no I would agree with you I I think when people say that kids can be manipulative I don't think they can like I mean maybe you know maybe like with their siblings and like you know stuff like that definitely but I don't know to like that extent I think if he he's just saying what he thinks like he wants you to be there every second of the day and also you're like it you're like that and so he's like you know like you're the same like that's your you've got the genetics you've got the same genetics so you're gonna have similarities aren't you so just cried and I hugged him and he looked at me and he just went and I cried and doesn't was like what's going on in here and I was like we're crying because we're sad together and then I was like oh my god I'm crying I'm supposed to be the strong one to be like no no it's gonna be okay but there was just something in that moment and even though I'm gonna be back every single day at midday and I'm gonna get all afternoon with them every day in the summer holidays and then I'm taking them away there was something in that moment where I just thought shit man in another lie I'd have all the money in the world and I wouldn't have to be away from him for a second oh do you know what I mean yeah I do I do know what you mean and I think every I think every parent has that like conflict and I think it's made it's harder when you've got kids that actually say it like I generally don't have kids that say that my kids give us zero shit um about that um apart from the how they're fed they're not usually very impressed with like when james has them like i think axel said on friday night when i went away it's like oh really what dad's dad's gonna be here just dad and i'm like yeah and he's like he gave me a magnum for dinner last time for dinner or after dinner for dinner thanks so I don't blame Maxwell but he's not upset about it he's a more cross with me um so but what I think is really good is that you prioritize your friendships as well you know you you take those nights where you go and like you did on Friday night and go and stay at the Grove I'm going away for three nights to Ibiza because I haven't topped my cup up this year and I haven't had a girls like I said so I need to do it but then I feel this really awful guilt.

26:52Take it away from me, George.

26:54Georgia Dayton: I just, I mean, we've said it like so many times and I think you can, you do feel guilty. I definitely felt guilty on Friday because I missed Axl's guitar concert. Like I felt guilty and the only reason I missed it, it wasn't for work, it was for, because I was going to meet a friend. Like that was it. But then I think, and I always try and think this, is that you want them to prioritize their friendships and know that that's okay to prioritize their friendships so we need to like model it as well like I'm not saying like we want them to grow up to be really selfish and only think of themselves because that's not what it is at all I think it's that you you know like that you need that to be a happy person and like that I think like sort of letting them know that that's okay is a good thing um yeah because i'm missing a year two leavers performance and his rock steady concert because it i booked this months and months and months ago and didn't know when it was no and also do you remember your year two leavers performance of course i did i was the lead role oh you do remember i don't remember i'm joking of course i don't and i was thinking about that this morning as well yeah you don't and and like also you've got the whole summer and like you like You said you're going to have so much time with them in the afternoons and you're going away and all of this stuff that I think it always feels so much bigger to us than it does to them.

28:25OK, thank you. I love you for making me feel better.

28:28Georgia Dayton: We'll be right back after this short break.

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29:50Welcome back to this episode of Made by Mamas. Now, where were we? How are you and James, just quickly, before we say goodbye?

29:55Georgia Dayton: We're good. We actually had a wonderful row on... What day was it? What day did we have? Oh my God, I know when it was. It was before I went away, on the Thursday night. Classic. It's the worst day of the week. And it's that whole annoying thing. I'd been stuck in traffic for like flipping I don't know how long, taking Gigi to her two-hour bloody gymnastics thing that he organised because he's a pushy parent and he's like, she needs to be in an Olympic squad or whatever, for fuck's sake. Oh, gosh. So who's taking her? Me, of course. So I'm annoyed anyway because on the way back, I'm like, I've spent four hours in traffic and blah, blah, blah, blah.

30:36Georgia Dayton: I don't even care about this. And then he messages me at five o 'clock and he's like, just going for one after work. And, you know, and you're like, oh, fuck off. Just going for one after work. Okay, fine. In my mind, I'm like conflicted because I'm like, great, don't have to cook dinner. Brilliant. You're not going to be here. I can just get the kids to bed now. Magnum's all round. I can just be on my own. Lovely. And then I go through the thing of being really cross. like I can't just go for one after work what what I couldn't just do that because I have to go to fucking gymnastics so then I'm getting all cross like especially as that it creeps in like the one that started at five is now like at half past 11 um and I'm like oh this is really annoying oh I don't know I was asleep but I I then get really annoyed but I want to text but then you're like no don't give him the satisfaction of texting it and anyway so i was really just well he drove back so he must have stayed for one but he was still gone for like six hours do you know what i mean like that's annoying why do they lie about like just we're not fucking toddlers yes this is my point it's just like just have the respect to say i'm staying out now for the night i will see you at two o 'clock in the morning don't wait up fine exactly and we have this conversation all the time and he's like oh what i can't even go out for a drink oh i hate that no it's not that it's so annoying and i'm like no no no it's not that you can't go out for drink after work because you do so it's not that you can't is it because you do do that the point is that when i go out i have to number one plan it which is annoying but fine we're in different Sort out the childcare.

32:26Georgia Dayton: Yeah, because that's just what happened. But also, I don't say, I don't go, oh, I'm only going for one. Like, that's not helpful. Just be like, oh, I'm going out for a few drinks. Not sure what time I'm going to be back. Fine. I'll let you know when I'm leaving. Yeah, fine. Like, you'll probably be asleep. Fine. Absolutely fine. And then he's like, oh, well, I never see my friends. Oh, my God. And you're going away. Oh, my God. You're going away tonight with your friends. And I'm like, yes, because I planned it and I'm going away for one night. I'm not going to message you and say, I'm just going away for one night and come home three days later, am I?

33:01Georgia Dayton: No, I'm doing what I say I'm going to do. So we had to do extensive therapy around this particular topic, right? As in paid fortunes for it because we couldn't get there by ourselves. Because that is a jinx in the matrix. there is something wrong with male brain in that moment that goes I know what I'll do I'll say that I'm staying for one and then they get so far into it that they think oh it's gone too far now so fuck it I'm going to blow the whole thing up and not communicate and then come back at three o 'clock whatever it looks like so I just I set it out very clearly to Doz and I just said all I want is to know that you're going to be out that night to for one message throughout the evening and then I will let you know when I'm in the taxi and then the taxi text comes in at whatever time that is and then I know then I can go to sleep because if I don't if he's like I'm getting in a cab now at nine o 'clock and then rocks up at four o 'clock in the morning I am fucking livid yeah exactly and we did actually get to a really good place with it and he you know he used to be like I'm you know I'm going for one and then like one then he'd messaged like two hours later and be like oh actually I'm staying out a bit it later like sorry like don't wake up fine cool we've forgotten that again we've got to go back oh god i feel like you know like with a kid you know like they have like those routine cards like wake up brush your teeth get i feel like they need that like oh i'm going for a drink shall i say i'm going for one or just be honest you know like oh which way should i go just be honest oh no i couldn't possibly do that okay i'll say i'm going for one oh shit i've said i'm going for one what shall i do next it's not one it's now going on to two shall i text and say it's going on or just stay quiet remember those quizzes that you used to get in bliss magazine yeah like hate magazine and then at the end it just comes out and if he's done what he normally does it comes out you're a scumbag yeah if he's done the other route of it you're a legendary husband it's like just go back to the fucking quiz you should tuck a card in his blazer jacket and at one point you should With a quiz like that.

35:12Oh, my God, I'm going to make one.

35:13Georgia Dayton: Guys, we're going to make one for all of you. You'll be able to download it, and you can pop it in your husband's pocket. You can pop it in your husband's pocket. This is the first bit of Made by Mum's merch. This is our first bit of merch, is husbands on how to navigate a quick drink after work. Brilliant. Fucking great. Right, listen, we're going to say goodbye. We love you all madly. Have an amazing rest of your week. Georgia, what a joy. Thank you so much for listening. as always we'd love you to rate, review and subscribe and follow our podcast as well please Yeah and if you've got any feedback on this episode guests you'd like to hear from or just any feedback in general drop us a DM on Instagram we're on at mobilemummas and we'll be back on Friday

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