Georgia & Zoe's New Years Resolutions!

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0:32You can also find us on Instagram. We're on at Made by Mummers. But for now, George, should we get into it? January 2026. Oh, my God. Hello. When you just said 2026, I was like, oh, I think I thought it was 2027. Which is a bit mad because I think I just skipped a year in my mind. Happy New Year, George. But Happy New Year. I can't believe this. How many of these have we been doing? It's actually mental. We're in our ninth year now. Oh, my God. I know. That's a really long time, isn't it? It's amazing that people still listen. I know. Hello to all our lovely listeners. It's amazing we've still got anything left to say.

1:10That's all I can't believe. What are we still wanging on about? It's a very good question. It is. But we thought that we would kick off the new year with a bit of a get to know us again. This might be stuff that we've covered before, maybe like years and years ago, and you might have forgotten, or you might be a new listener, and you don't really know anything about us. Yeah. So we're going to ask each other some questions, have a little chat about what our New Year's resolutions are. But yeah, just get to know us a bit. Exactly. And by the way, some of them are going to be a bit ridiculous. Yeah.

1:49Some of them might be slightly more serious. No, this is not like ASL. Is that what people used to say on Amazon? ASL. ASL, age, sex, location. That's what we need to put, ASL. I never heard of ASL, only STA. What was STA?

2:08Right, you start. You know. You know. STA. I don't know. Straight to anal.

2:21STA. And the funniest thing was when I went round the world, I went round the world with a company called STA Travel. I was going to say this. There is a travel company called that. They didn't think about that. Or maybe they did. It's absolutely brilliant. Right, here we go. You start. I'm going to ask you. You're going to ask me? What did you swear that you'd be when you grew up? And how did that work out for you? I think the fact that I don't remember what I swore I was going to be. It didn't work out well. Because I don't know what I thought I was going to be when I grew up. But you went to Italia Conti, right?

2:54I went to stage school. but I don't, I think I maybe, well, I was in a TV series when I was at stage school. What? On CBBC. Hold on. Called Living It or The Playground because one was the working title and one was the title that actually was, actually came out. Living It? Living It or The Playground. It was called one of those. Right, hold on. But I didn't, I liked it, but I don't know if it put me off. Because I was at school, and that was like your school thing. I don't know. Living It. Living It. CBeebies. New kids, Christian and Heidi, adjust to life in the UK after a family move from Florida.

3:41That's not it. No? No. I can't find it, George, but give me a moment, and I will. Living It Series 1, school drama. Yeah, there we go. Is there a ghost in the playground? Yes, yes. It's the school holidays and the bully girl, Charlene, is stuck at home with her nasty aunt. No, my name was Cheyenne, I think. Oh my God, this is brilliant. How long were you in it for? Not long. It was like, I must have only been one term at school. That's really cool, George. Yeah, I know, but it didn't make me want to do it. Does that make sense? So I think I probably used to think that's what I wanted to do when I was there.

4:15but then when I was there I was like oh god no this is a lot um so I don't know actually what I thought I wanted to be but at one point you were going to be an actor yeah I guess so like at school I think I was just more um I didn't really I was too like not naughty to be in normal school but I just couldn't really like I just couldn't really get on with it you you wanted to stick it to the man I just wanted to I didn't know I think I wanted to chat and cartwheel and that's what I wanted to do I didn't want to do any lessons so yeah I was also in a BBC drama called No Bananas which was a war drama oh my god as a child and I say I was in it I had one line okay and I remember being like so excited because my my cousin was a director so she was director on She was quite senior at the BBC.

5:10And then she got this job directing this BBC drama. And she was like, oh, you know, I can definitely get you in. I was only probably nine. Yeah. Oh, my God, this is my big break. So obviously this is what I've always wanted to do. And I had one line and I had to run up to the guy that was on the beach selling stuff. And I went, can I have a stick of rock, please, mister? And that was it. And I went, cut! Yeah, that was my acting career done. But one take wonder? One take wonder! How funny! Look at that. We didn't know that about each other. You were obviously in more of a serious program. I got one line.

5:42But it's like... I don't think I said much. I think I did a lot of snogging. I'm not joking. I think I did. Maybe that's why you're such a prude now. Yeah, maybe. No, but what did you... So did you want to be an actress? Wanted to be a presenter. Wanted to be a presenter. And you are a presenter. Yeah. Every single childhood video of me on the camcorder is me being completely obnoxious, trying to steal the limelight. My poor sister. Every time she spoke, I was like elbowing her out of the way, just being like, ta-da! Like one of those awful stage call kids. Yeah. That was me. Yeah. Because you went to the room.

6:16We were the ones doing like harmonies on the train at 7.30am. Can you imagine? Honestly. Dance routines. Woo! Yeah, don't. Yeah, awful. Awful, awful. What's one thing you really admire about each other? Oh, you hate this bit because I'm going to get mushy. I know. Look at me. I've grown up. I'm asking you these questions. okay I mean there's so much that I admire about you but I think the one thing I admire the most is your resilience and your courage like I think you are incredibly brave you are um such an incredible businesswoman you're the most amazing friend but your resilience around dealing with life you know you're the person that I come to when the storm is in full swing but you're also the person I come to with the funniest things but you managed to navigate it so beautifully you are an amazing person oh that's very nice thank you so I need tears no there's not going to be tears we're not there yet right okay um do me I know what yours is you have got an amazing energy and I think you bring that light into a room and I think you can light up a room and I think that is and you obviously there's loads of other things I think you're you know kind and loyal and all of those things.

7:29But I think that is like your absolute thing. You've got a spark, which I don't think lots of people have. Thank you. I do feel that, though. I can also make everyone cry in the room as well, though. Yeah. I have the ability to do that.

7:45Thank you, George. What is a phase from your past that you're mildly ashamed of? I know this. Oh, God. Right. So when I started secondary school, I don't know why, but my parents thought it would be a really good idea to send the attention seeker to a really strict girls school. Oh, yes. Really, really strict. And it was like Centrinians. Like we all had to wear these long brown skirts down to her ankles. It was so strict. There wasn't even anything fun about it. It was like, oh. So we were all just like, you know, wanting to rebel. And we went through a phase also because the school was in Croydon, which was obviously like quite a rough area.

8:33And everyone knew this really posh school. It was like in a palace. It was called Old Palace. And, you know, everyone used to sort of take the piss out of people who went there. But it also meant that no one would suspect you were doing anything wrong. So we used to shoplift. I genuinely did not think that you were going to say that We used to go into Claire's Accessories Right Every other school uniform Every other school You'd only allow two school kids in a shop at a time Not the brown uniform kids Not Centrillion Not Centrillion They would never do anything wrong They were far too geeky What sort of things were you stealing?

9:10We used to steal Like all sorts in Claire's Accessories Like yeah Scrunchies Earrings It did get to a really bad point And the thing is, I'd had my fun. I'd stolen stuff. My mum almost found out. My mum almost found out. And then she was like, you know, don't do this. This is like, really don't. I know you think it's funny, but it's really not. And so I then didn't carry on. But some other girls did. And they started, you know, they went from Claire's accessories to River Island, nicking bikinis, jackets. It got, yeah. And then a lot of them got expelled from school. And now they are in prison.

9:50And now they're, yeah, really bad kids. Wow. I do think that was an era thing, though. I think it was. Like a strange thing to do, but it was more like risque. It's a thrill. It's like the thrill. Yeah, so that, I mean, that is probably a phase. I'm a little bit ashamed of you for doing that. I did it once with Penny Sweets. Did you? We had like a little sweet shop in the town where our school was. And we used to go in there and obviously at that point, sweets were one pence, plenty of sweets. We used to just like bundle them into the bag and then go to the lady and go 40p. Oh, right, yeah. And then, but we would be like, have 80 in there and go 40p.

10:27And then one day she went, you count them out. And I was like, the beads of sweat just dripping, thinking I've definitely got more than 25 bananas in there. And then I had to count them out. And she was like, right, I'm calling the school. How long have you been doing this for? I was like, I've only done it once. I'm really sorry. That was my worst nightmare. Oh my God. But yeah, I mean, I wasn't like shoplifting bikinis. So I think you guys were a bit worse than me. Yeah, it was not great. But I also don't know what I would do if one of the kids did that now. Because I'd feel like such a hypocrite.

10:57I would never do that. How dare you? Gosh. I don't think I've got a phase in my life that I feel that ashamed of. There were some definite rogue moments when I was doing my seasons in Ibiza. I'm actually quite proud of those. Yeah. Like I'm glad I did it. But they were quite on the edge. We'll just leave it there. A how on the edge.

11:17We'll leave it at that. We'll leave it there. We'll be right back after this short break.

11:25Welcome back to this episode of Made by Mamas. Now, where were we? What is the first thing you remember being obsessed with? James Austin. James Austin. My first boyfriend. Your first boyfriend you were obsessed with? I was obsessed with him from like six years old. We used to play Kiss Chasing because my parents were best friends. and we used to, I was completely in love with him. Like first love, big love, but from six, six, seven, six, seven. Oh my God, sorry. Oh my God, I'm sorry. Don't give him me the itch. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't even know what it means. Oh my God. Don't leave. You have to do this podcast with me.

11:59You have to. James keeps doing that around the kids and they literally look at him in disgust like, oh. Doesn't it mean that you're just a bit average though, six, seven? I have no idea what that means. Okay. so James Austin he was dreamy and our parents were best friends and I remember vividly you know when you're just so in love with somebody that first sort of thrust of love as a child as a kid yeah young adult um it just feels so exciting doesn't it and then we got together and then we broke up and then when when I was eight so we were together from when I was about 14 and then he obviously went off to school and I was at school in Balowa anyway I was working in Simply Italian in Rye as a waitress uh it was the summer of my when I was 18 and I remember just thinking god I'm just here having a shit time and I looked up who walks in the door James Austin back in my life and it was like sparks flying you know do you want to come out to the local club with me that night you know Sticky Floors Regional Nightclub Rye Knapper we called it and I just remember drinking WKD and just snogging all night in the corner and then we had the most beautiful relationship for like a year and a half I fell madly in love again got my heart completely broken because he went off travelling but I genuinely thought he was the person I would end up marrying oh that's sweet but now he lives in Singapore and I don't see him anymore but just a lovely, lovely, lovely moment for us that's the first thing you were obsessed with what about you?

13:33God I mean, we definitely, I remember at school, we used to follow a boy to school, and his name was Laurie. In fact, I think he lives near you. I can't say, I think you might even, maybe you know him, no you don't. And we used to stalk him, like genuinely, which is actually a bit worrying. Was this the St Trinian days when you were shopping? Yeah, we used to, he went to the boys school, the girls school, but it was a completely different route. And we'd get on the tram, we'd get off the tram, get on his bus. Imagine how annoying that was. like honestly bless him like he must have been like for fuck's sake everywhere I go there's these three girls and we thought we were being discreet we were being discreet like we literally bless him I thought and then we did actually we became we sort of we went out with each other for a bit but then we were actually just really good friends right um and we were friends then our my best friend ended up going out with his best friend I've met James by this point and then we all sort of hung out together it was all fine but i do look back and i do cringe like oh my god that is that is so annoying the things that you do when you're a teenage girl are so bad like i found my childhood diary the other day oh god don't don't don't don't every single entry i'm not to come i should have bought it to read it out but it was like i remember having this boyfriend when i went to switzerland i was at school in switzerland for that year wasn't i yeah there was this French guy there called Vincent.

14:58This was after I lost contact with James. And he threw me a ball, like a baseball, up to my boarding house and I caught it. And then he wrote on it, you know, je t 'aime, will you go out with me? And I was like, how romantic. And in my diary, I wrote, it was like, I made Marion and he's Robin Hood. It's so bad. I was like, ugh. Oh, God. I should bring it in one day just to read the extracts. Yeah, oh my God, don't. Very funny. I actually wonder if my diary is still kicking around. 100 % it will be. Your parents have definitely seen it. And also my mum's always like, no, I would never read your diary.

15:30And obviously now I'm a mum, I'm like, you've definitely read every single bit of that because I would be doing the same. If you die, I'm going to publish it.

15:39Oh, God. Right, where should we go? Do you ever disagree on parenting things and how do those conversations usually go? Do we disagree? No, but I've definitely judged you on the amount of sweets that Gigi eats. to be fair yes she does no i don't think we do disagree on parenting things no we're quite aligned on it but we don't actually spend that much time talking about our parenting no we don't and also i guess when we have like topics on the podcast we're interviewing someone or an expert or something so i find like we learn along the way and maybe yeah so we probably don't really disagree i don't think there's anything that we don't that we do diff that you've taught me quite a few things about parenting the first one yeah it was the uniform situation which at first in my mind if I'm honest I thought that's ridiculous five sets of shirts five ties not five ties two ties yeah but five jumpers and I thought oh that's awful um but it's a great tip so I haven't got five pairs of shorts I've got three but I've got definitely more than five shirts I've got three You know, like it's all there.

16:49Yeah. And then there's no stress. No washing. Out of all the years we've been working together, that's the one thing that's stuck. I'm so glad that there's that takeaway. I'm brilliant. Yeah, listen, I don't think we do disagree, actually, on very, very many things. No, I was just thinking that. Like, no. Maybe it's because we're taking all the advice from the podcast. We're parenting experts now, guys. We are. A moment that you laughed when you absolutely shouldn't have. Oh, my God. There's one particular one, and it's awful because I actually really did love her. But when my granny died, I got hysterics in the church.

17:20Me and my sister could not stop laughing. Like, I really loved her as a person. I was really close to her. But I could just feel my sister going. You know when someone starts going and I thought, is she crying? I looked at her and she was going. We got told to leave the church. Did you? Well, my mum was so upset with us. But I was only 11. I wasn't like a grown-up. I just found, I found the whole thing, you know, like it, what would be the worst thing you could do in a church when someone had died? Laugh. Laugh, yeah. Yeah. So that's, so that's kind of, it was going through our mind, just going.

17:58And also, I think because of the tragedy of it, we found it hysterical. Like, I don't know. There was, it's so fucked up and dark. No, I think there's so many times when you know you shouldn't laugh and then it does make you laugh. Like that's, it's like the opposite. I don't know. There must be something in that. there's loads of times when you're not supposed to laugh and then you can't control yourself haven't they done some studies they must have done some real seasoned reports on laughing and crying are quite closely linked you know when you're sometimes telling off the kids and they start crying and then they laugh through the middle of it and then cry again so I actually think in my defence you were just crying but the emotion got muddled up what about you?

18:40I'm trying to think now it's always the normal things like in flipping school when you're meant to be the parent in a school assembly, but you just can't stop laughing at the kid, like, you know, saying the wrong line or pricking their nose or whatever, and you really know you shouldn't or, you know, those situations. But I can't think of, like, one. I mean. Last year at Kids Nativity, one of the kids shouted out, I farted! And I was howling. I was like, I've got to leave. I can't. It's just like kids. Did you get away with pretending you're at the nativity? I did. You did? You did get away with it?

19:15I got away with it. He keeps saying, I didn't see you. I was at the back. I said I was crowding. What's the word? Crouching. Crouching. I was crouching down at the back of the church to get a better view. He knows. He does. I mean, he will never challenge me on it, but I think he knows that I'm an absolute degenerate. What's something you used to judge people for but don't anymore? Oh, my God. Where do we start? Yeah, where do we start? I've gone so many things before I well before I became a parent I used to think like kids making a noise were like how how can you not control your kids like what um I complain to you tutting probably like all just annoyed and frustrated and I mean loads of stuff I remember like judging kit like how people used to bring their kids out like the outfits I used to think you bought them those clothes how can they look like that bad now I realise you don't have a say and you have no say and you are not in charge and chuck in the grandparents buying them and then you know the childminder or the crazy lady from next door you have no control and also then you realise that it's actually not the most important thing at all in the world.

20:36Oh my God, there's so many, there are so many things. I didn't think you were a judgy person. No, I was then. Maybe I'm not now. No, you definitely don't judge people now. No, I don't now. No, like none. No. Because I can't. Yeah, what would you, what things did you say you'd judge people for? I was probably quite judgmental on people's clothing. Yeah. But younger. Yeah. You know, I went through that phase of being like, I can't believe she's wearing that. Yeah. And then I look back at some of the photographs of myself as a 15-year-old. I literally look like I've been raised by wolves. Yeah. Yeah.

21:11And then there's one particular party that I went to dressed as Jerry Halliwell's Sporty Spice in the Union Jack dress. No, not Sporty Spice. Ginger Spice. Yeah. But it wasn't a fancy dress party. Just me and my sister went in matching dresses to an aunt's garden party. And we had those wraparound Oakley glasses on. Oh, my God. And I thought, how could I be judgmental? Yeah. Yeah. You can't be judging anyone. I think you learn, don't you? but I would say now that I'm the least judgmental person. Yeah. I don't talk about people's appearances. I know, like, I don't know if your mum or if your dad does this, but my mum's got this brilliant ability of going like, oh, you know, Nancy, the podgy one.

21:50I go, mum, you cannot say that. And she goes, what? And she's describing her. I go, well, tell me she wears glasses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Her husband's called Philip. You know, I have to say it's a generational thing. I'm trying to teach her those things. It is. So I've got a, well, she'd be like a great aunt. So she was married to my nan's brother. She's married to my nan's brother. We don't see her very much. Yeah, great aunt. But she always comments on everyone's weight. And like my mum and dad are like chubby, right? And she always used to go on about how lucky I was that I wasn't chubby as well.

22:27And it's like, oh my God. She'd be like, Georgia, still slim. And I'd think, oh, my God. And, you know, like, and we'd play a game, like how many times did she mention slim? Oh, yeah. Over, like, the course of, like, a day. So, I mean, she would talk about, like, she'd be like, oh, you know, such and such from the WI, very slim. You know, like, not only do we not know this person. Yeah. Like, look. Stop commenting on the way that they look. God, don't. But then, yeah, it is a generation thing for sure. But also I think like kids do it as well, don't they? But they don't necessarily do it with like slim or podgy or whatever.

23:10They do it with like when Axel started school, I'd be like, oh, so who do you sit next? He goes, oh, you know, the one with the big, a really big face. You know, like, or do you know her name? No. The one with the big feet. Right. Okay. Great. Which is like a nicer way of kind of, you know, that's what I love about our kids and their generation is that they really don't see the differences and I really love that yeah whereas we are really unpicking a whole generational kind of fuck up yeah where they just I don't know some of the stuff that my mum says is wild she is learning yeah she is I don't know like I really do I'm quite mean to her about it because I just don't want to hear it I don't want my kids to hear it yeah because I think we grew up feeling like that was just normal like that was just like a normal thing to say.

23:56And now when grandparents especially say it in front of your kids, you're like, oh, God, please don't say that. Yeah, my mum's got that thing about food where she would go out for dinner with people and she'd be like, they had starters, and a pudding. That's what people have, mum. Yeah. Not me. I don't have to eat past lunchtime. Yeah. James's parents, well, his dad, when you're watching Strictly, like the kids will watch it, he picks people apart. Oh, God, it's awful. And I think, oh, my God. Oh, God, I didn't realise she had legs like that. I'm like, wow, wow. He's actually coming out. What are they saying about you when you leave the room?

24:37No. Oh, it's awful. God, it is awful. Yeah, it's really awful. So maybe we're not judgmental because we're just around lots of judgmental people. I know, all the bloody time. Jesus. We'll be right back after this short break.

24:56Welcome back to this episode of Made by Mamas. Now, where were we? Okay, here's one. What surprised you the most about starting this podcast? Oh, gosh. How much I would learn. I probably thought I knew it all. No, I didn't go how much I love it. No, how much I'd learn. Yeah. And, like, change, I think. Oh, yeah. Like, in general. Like, it's impacted my whole life. Oh. But it has. It's like not just in terms of like because, you know, we do this as like, you know, every week and we get to chat. But it's impacting my whole life as in like I've learned so much. I've got so much more confidence to like, you know, do things because I'm like full empowered to like know stuff.

25:37I don't know. It has. It really has. You've become a broadcaster. I mean, I'm not talking about like I mean in terms of life, but maybe, but I don't see it like that. I see it as just, like, I would never have talked all these issues through before. Do you know what I mean? I would never, I would, I would charge on with things. But now this has, like, changed me because I do talk about things. Oh, George, that's so nice. How about you? And there I was just thinking you might just say you get to sit around and chat shit with me for an hour. But I probably would have done that without the podcast.

26:10I wonder, I think about that all the time. That really sliding doors moment between you and I. When we met in the coffee shop, but then we didn't see each other again between when we had Luna and Axel, right? When was that? So we met in the, I reckon it must have been the April. But like you could see I was pregnant. I wouldn't have gone up to you and gone, you're pregnant. Yeah, but I think I was busy. I reckon it was the April. You had Axel in the August. Yeah. I had Luna in the September. and then after Christmas you messaged me. We saw each other in January. You said congratulations on the engagement.

26:49I've got the text still. Did you want to meet up and have a cup of coffee? Yeah. I did think no fucking right. No more friends then. No I was so keen for it straight away and then we met up in the January but I do think had that sort of sliding doors moment not happened just how different would the last 10 years of our life be? Yeah it's weird isn't it? It's lovely. It is. No it is. It's really weird. Also, I'm not actually normally the person who actively makes social arrangements. Yeah, what do you think that was then? I don't know. Like, it's really weird. I don't know. You didn't have any friends like me and each other.

27:23I didn't have any friends. I wouldn't be friends. If your life had a title, what would it be? Oh, my God. I don't know. You answer that first. I don't know. Sunshine and Flames. I'm working on it. Hold on. Let me give you a second shot. I think it would be something like chaos and joy. I was going to say yours would be like a thing and a thing. Yeah, chaos and joy, yeah. What about you? That one would be a really boring one. It would be like a steady walk.

27:59That's so true. A steady walk and chaos and joy. Yeah, there you go. That sums up if you don't know us. Exactly. what's something that the other one does that makes you feel instantly calmer the one thing that you do that makes me feel instantly calmer is you look at me sometimes dead in the eyes and you go zo it's gonna be all right yeah you're gonna be okay yeah and it's like you're sort of in like a sort of get in the eyes type moment you just really reassure me in that moment and then I just think, I'm calm. I've got it. George is going to look after me. It's going to be fine. What about me?

28:41I think, I was going to say a look as well. Yeah. Like it's normally like in a, I don't know, a podcast or a situation where we're like, oh God, what's going to happen here? And then you look at me and I think, oh, we're going to be fine. It's all right. I feel calmer. Or just like a gig or a little sign. Is there anything I do that irritates you? No. No. No, go on, but. This is your New Year's resolution. Go on. You need to learn how to fill out forms. Oh, fuck off, George. You know, that is so rude, actually. Because I spent 43 years of my life avoiding it. And actually, you were so rude to me the other day.

29:18Let's have it out now. When I said to you, what are we doing? There was a form that needed to be filled in. And you did yours and you wouldn't do mine. No, I wouldn't. You wouldn't. I wouldn't. She went, no, I'm not doing it. And I was like, call yourself a friend. you've got to face your phobias head on so if it's a phobia of forms well you've got to have more sex in your tent that you got given for Christmas oh god see look she's not even saying anything you know I've spent my entire life getting my sister to fill out forms so much so that I'll call her and go it's all getting a bit too much this end can you do my visas for Kenya and actually she turned around to me this year and was like Do them yourself.

30:02You've got all the information. And I was like, you know what? I actually can. Took me three hours. I did it. There we go. Hated every second of it. But I just love the way that... That is so funny. You will not. Because lots of other people around me might be like...

30:18Faffing and fuffing and they'll do it all for me. But not you. Not me. Nope. No. No.

30:27What about... So there's nothing that I do that irritates you apart from not being able to do it. Apart from not being able to do it. What annoys you about me? You don't fill out my phone for me. And I don't let you nap. And I do judge you for having sugar in your coffee. Oh, shut up. You eat sweets. I know, but sugar in a coffee is a waste. Do you know how many you eat? You tuck it into your Haribo over there. That is called sugar shaming. Sugar shaming, that's what I am. Okay, so you're not the only one that does it. I'm a sugar shamer. I have one coffee a day with one brown sugar or honey in it and you look at me like I've jacked up in front of you.

31:05Right? And she's there shaming me while she's tucking into a jam donut. I don't eat jam donuts. No, but you know. But I do drink eight cups of tea a day. Exactly. Right, do you want to do one to finish? Let's do one to finish. Oh, who were you before kids and what parts of that person are you most keen to hold on to? um for me it is that wild child energy that I was definitely before I had kids and I still have that now I will never let that go like the person that finds the joy and dances in the kitchen and loves to go on adventures you know loves the universe I I really appreciate every part of life and I really love it as much as I do uh as much as I did then and I still love it now so I will never ever ever lose that child that little that little girl that like absolutely loves to party and loves music and loves people and my purpose of like connecting humans together is something that I I think got a little bit muddled at the beginning because I was raising two humans but I feel like I've got that back now oh I love that well that's so nice um who was I think I was way more selfish before I had kids um and not like I want to hold on to that but yeah a little bit like I was really like I look one of my friends I I'm really really close to her now the one that lives in Saudi she said do you remember when like we were you know both working in London like I didn't live with James at the time so you know it wasn't like I was going home to anyone or anything like that and she'd be like oh can you make dinner on Tuesday night and I'd be like oh no sorry I'm I'm going to the gym and having a bath.

32:52And I used to, you know, I never even used to make up I was busy. I would just be like, no, I need some time on my own. And she was like, I thought that was like the funniest thing about you. Like people would just ask you like, oh, do you want to go for lunch? And you'd be like, oh, no, I'm having lunch on my own today. Right. And I was just, I don't know. And I think I was always like that. And it really, like, I know that about myself now. I really need time on my own. I've always, always known that about myself. but when I had kids that got that gets taken away and also I think you are told you can't be selfish like when you're a parent you're supposed to be selfless right but I'm not like I need time on my own and I need to do things on my own and for myself and so I actually want to get a bit more of that like back of like if someone asks you to do something you can just be like no no any reason no i'm i'm literally having a bath and that's why i remember because i need it started doing this podcast you you talked a lot about going to get a blow dry you talk about but you never talk about it anymore and i think for a good like five years you stopped having blow dry no can i just tell you i haven't washed my hair properly can you see this it's still got shampoo in it I actually thought it was cum.

34:10It's definitely not. It doesn't look like it though, you know that. What the hell? It's clumpy. Yeah, I know. What day was it yesterday though? I washed my hair last night. What day was it yesterday? Sunday, no. Do you want to look? Do you want to actually see the message? Sexy Sunday. It is normally sexy Sunday and James sent me a message this morning saying... Oh God. Sorry about last night. I was so tired, I don't usually fall asleep on the sofa. And I was like, that's okay you're retired and he put I don't mean this in a sexual way I mean as in not being much help and I put I know you do and he put bit gutted if you did I would have put matchsticks in my eyes oh and that's so nice after 20 nearly 20 years we've yeah I've known James for 20 birthdays that's a lot isn't it and he would have stuck matchsticks in his eyes if you were putting out a bit more thank you so much for listening to today's podcast as always we'd love you to rate, review, subscribe and please, please, please give our pod a little follow so you don't miss an episode yeah and if you've got any feedback on this episode or things you'd like to hear about in 2026 then drop us a DM on Instagram we're on at made by mamas and we'll be back on Friday