Georgia Habboo on Becoming Bella's Mum

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2:54We're on at Made by Mummers. But for now, George, should we get into it? That's a very busy face. Oh, God, don't. Do you know what? I'm bored of even saying that I'm busy. Like, I'm genuinely bored of saying it out loud. I just think, I don't know what's happened. Work is always busy at this time of year, so that's fine. Like, well, it's not fine, but you know, like, I know that it's busy. It's all good. It's all the school stuff. Oh, mate, don't. is on top of the work that I just can't. I think, I think if I was giving advice to anybody who is applying for senior schools next year, I would take September and October off.

3:37Genuinely, I really would. It's a full-time job, isn't it? Don't book any like business travel or any of that kind of thing in those months. Definitely not. No way. And even if you're like not doing the sort of secondary school thing, I saw something that Fern Cotton put on her Instagram. It was like how to be a parent in 26 seconds or something. And she was like, make sure you keep even the WhatsApp chat that pings the whole day. That's frustrating. But then chuck in the sort of the Halloween spooky disco. Have you bought tickets to this? Have you booked the lunch? I mean, last week for me was a fucking shit show.

4:12The school called me maybe three or four times to be like, oh, Zoe. I was like, oh God, what have I forgotten? You know, they don't have school lunches booked. You know, have you done this? Have you donated to this? Have you paid the first thing for the residential? I just thought, I just don't know. So I sort of did the classic Scorpio thing, which was like bury head in sand. Yeah. Until, you know, I realized I couldn't do that anymore because my children weren't going to eat. Do you know what? I really, I know we're, you know, we're not against AI. We love AI. But, you know, we don't want the whole world to be taken over by it.

4:43But I really would love it to read my emails. Oh, that would be so good. And there is definitely a way you can do it. But I have three different email accounts. And so far, I haven't found how it can read all of them. But if it could take away all of the school admin and give me a daily update on this, this, this, and this, that would be just amazing. Listen, you're going to get that now. They must. I mean, listen, they've got robots, you know, cleaning houses and driving cars. So fundamentally, they'll be able to do that. Someone can read my emails and give me a quick summary. Hopefully they're all clean, George.

5:19Well, is this me? It is. Anyway, how are you? What's going on? I'm on breakfast, which is lovely. I've got two weeks in for Amanda, so my favorite two weeks. I absolutely love it. So that's great. 4.15 starts are not that wonderful. I looked at my face today under the lights and I was like, genuinely looks like my skin is falling down around my chin. I was like, oh my God. Someone give me Kris Kardashian's phone number immediately so I can get a face lift. But apart from that, it's just the tiredness. It's lovely. It's really nice. Someone get phone. Yeah, we've got some exciting news coming as well.

5:54So before we get into the chat that we're having today, next week we are doing something that we said we would do probably around two years ago. But we realized as we started to embark on that journey that it's not actually that easy to do. and so it's taken us this long to get it right and hopefully you're going to enjoy it. We've got a treat. It's a treat for you. Should we just say what? No, I think because I want us to do it properly when we're together next week. It's one of those really annoying moments where we're dangling a carrot but we are very excited and fingers crossed you guys are going to be very excited about it too and we've also got a brilliant guest as well so big news next week.

6:35Yes. But we do need to get into today's conversation because it was another really lovely chat. I feel like we're just blessed with all these amazing, amazing conversations at the moment. And I was so impressed by today's guest. I feel like she's such a powerhouse in like the fashion world. And she was so well put together, wasn't she? Yeah, she's gorgeous. I was looking at her outfit going, oh, I like that blazer. Where'd you get that from? I like those jeans. She's gorgeous. Yeah. I mean, I watch her YouTube videos and I really like how she sort of looks pristine like she did when she came. and she puts an outfit together beautifully and she holds down like, you know, a normal, not normal job, but you know, a nine to five ish job and then still manages to create all of this content on YouTube.

7:22And then she's also not sleeping at all. Oh no, God. And I mean, it's, you know, when you, when you look at someone and they're telling you just how tired they are and you know how awful that is and you want to be like, listen, it's going to be okay but you can't say that because at that point you when you're so tired you can't see that it'll ever be okay it's never going to end and then you just want yeah have you tried the weighted blanket yeah you tried socks on have you tried a banana before bed it's like i fucking tried everything and you just don't want to hear it you just want to be like listen we're okay now i don't know when you're going to be okay but it will be at some point one day that's still with that.

8:06It was a great chat. You're in for an absolute treat. George, who are we talking to? We're talking to a fellow Georgia. It's Georgia Haboo. Today, we are joined by someone who's been brilliantly honest about the reality of becoming a mum. From the difficult journey getting pregnant to a birth that didn't go remotely to plan, and then that, I guess, completely overwhelming love that arrives when a baby does, but also chaos at the same time. Our guest is a mum to gorgeous Bella, a wife to Tom, big sister to Sophie, and has also built an impressive career in fashion, beauty and luxury working across Charlotte Tilbury, Face Gym and Farfetch as well as launching her own business.

8:40We are so excited to talk to Georgia Habib. That was a big intro. Superstar. That's a good boost for the morning. How has your morning been? Talk us through. So when did it start? I'm a bit late. But, you know, yeah, good, thanks. It started at actually not too bad, 6am. Oh, that's okay. Oh, God, that's early. Yeah, well, I feel like that's quite good. Sometimes it's a 5am start with us. Is that because of Bella? She's such a bad seatbelt. How old is she? Nearly about two in a few weeks, yeah. Yeah, I know. I thought it would be over that by now. I hate to tell you this, but Luna woke me up every single day until she was six.

9:22It started with either a four or an early five. and for six years every day. Mummy, I want to get on with the day. Oh, is that what she'd say? No, I know it's cute. But I literally age 10 years, I think, in six. Oh, yeah, no. Bella wakes up a couple of times a night at least and wakes up early. Me and my husband, actually, because we split the night at the moment. So, like, he does first shift and I do second. What does that mean? So, like, if she wakes up before 2 a.m., he gets her. And if she wakes up after 2 a.m., I get her. I think that's quite a good system, though. well I thought so and I'm fine with it but he she didn't wake up in his like period last night so he slept had a whole night's sleep and he was like I am a different person so we actually just decided this morning to try and do like one night on one night off I think that's a great yes because we never get a full night's sleep ever so at least one person is getting a full night's sleep also the anxiety of thinking which half is it going to be in tonight is it going to be when you're asleep and also the resentment I can imagine being like for fucks I get away with it or she wakes up like two minutes past you i'm like but we're joking about it sleep deprivation is actually horrific it is and i think i've seen you talking about how if you've got a child that sleeps you are having a completely different experience to if you have one that doesn't so talk us like the reality of having two years it is really and i said i joke about this but genuinely my husband actually really does struggle with it he struggles more than me with the lack of sleep like i can't get let him get less wake up so that's not fair um but it is it is really hard and i do get the sleep anxiety like going to sleep knowing especially if i have like i don't have a late night anymore because i'm there's no point because if i go to bed at 11 if she's going to wake up at 1am that's yeah hideous no you're done no so i literally have to go to bed at 10 like this latest cut off yeah if i'm like scrolling past 10 i'm like what are you doing is that what the pre-bedtime routine looks like yeah a little scrolling bed do you set yourself a time limit on your scrolling oh I should I don't well when it's 10 o 'clock I'm like Georgia this is ridiculous I should have been earlier um talk us through um your journey to having Bella because we've obviously heard you discussing you know you've been very kind of open about it wasn't as easy as maybe you thought it was going to be just just give the listeners a bit of an insight into what happened well actually it was much before I was planning on having Bella I when I was in my 20s I basically didn't have a period for four years wow and we never knew why I still don't know why um I went to like so many specialists we no one ever worked out what happened what's happening and I ended up just obviously being like what the hell's going on going through multiple specialists we did just some like overall fertility testing and whilst we were doing that we still didn't actually work out why I wasn't getting a period but we I also had really low AMH yeah I remember the doctor saying like i'm basically like pre-menopausal levels i was like great i'm 27 that's just what i want to hear obviously this was years ago if i'm 27 anymore um and so we decided we were recommended to freeze embryos so my husband and i would weren't even engaged then but we've been together for years like we'll just do them fertilized embryos it's better chance of success okay um so we did that and we ended up having to do three rounds of embryo freezing like back to back which which is not fun because we didn't get like, got like two and three the first couple rounds.

12:46What actually happens when you do that? Sorry, I've never been there. It's basically like, it's the whole process of IVF. But just without putting it back in. So it, well, it's really tough on the body, actually. It's not, I feel like people say quite, oh, freeze your eggs. Like if you don't want kids now. It's not like an easy process. I did one round of it and I just remember feeling so horrendous off the back of it, bloating. All the bruises for me, injections, your hormone, you feel like you're swelling up. You're a bit crazy. these are like because the whole movie is crazy yeah yeah yeah it is it is like actually much tougher than i think we we say it i feel like everyone it's like yeah a throwaway thing to free drugs people just yeah like you hear or some you know parents buying it for their children for their 21st birthday or daughters for their 21st birthday it's a great thing to give your child like the opportunity it is but you don't i i didn't know how like horrific the process was Yeah, I remember, because I say I did three back-to-back, I did two back-to-back, and I tried to do my third back-to-back, and my doctor was like, you're mental, you need to have a break for a month.

13:46Because I was like, what do you mean? He was like, you're mental health. He was like, you can't stop crying. I was like, oh. Oh, Georgia. So, yeah, we did that. But then third round, we got loads. So, we have lots of embryos frozen. And then, actually, we were trying to get pregnant with Bella for a few months. Naturally, we thought we'd just give it a go. and then we said we booked in the whole i've we spoke to doctors they said let's book in the whole ibf process we were all booked in we went on our honeymoon and we went to the moldy and they said oh it's a zika country so actually you have to postpone your ibf i was like devastated and we found out on our honeymoon because i said oh sorry i can't imply i'm in the moldy they were like oh you can't do ibf next month um so which i was also upset at time but they gave us we said okay fine is just try one more month really hard and got pregnant naturally.

14:35So people with, this is very similar to my story, people with low AMH struggle to harvest eggs. This is what they told me anyway because I only ended up getting one and they wouldn't go in and do it. They were just dying off and dying off and dying off. But sometimes don't struggle getting pregnant naturally. So I didn't know that at the time. That's so interesting. We went away. Did you die? I didn't know it at the time. They didn't explain that. No. Yeah, it's strange because if you're young enough, it should be fine they basically said to me since but I was like oh well I went through a lot and paid you a lot of money you got pregnant naturally yeah we did I'm like quite yeah well not quite yeah quite quickly really we weren't really expecting it we just thought oh let's give it one last shot um so yeah that's how we have Bella but now I'm trying for my second and we are going to do life yeah you are yeah I actually came on my period yesterday so that was my last hope of natural um but we're booked in for november how does that pressure kind of manifest in you we're sitting here joking laughing but how does that impact i found it i found it really tough second time around actually trying for baby because i think because we got lucky with bella i just did kind of think oh what happened again and then also because i i felt put a bit of a time limit pressure on myself because i wanted a certain age gap which now I've passed that I'm like more relaxed about it because I've like passed my ideal age of that but I was the first five six months of trying I was really a lot of pressure on myself I wanted I was like I need to get pregnant now my friends are on their second at the same time me they're like already six months pregnant we were like trying at the same time um but so yeah I felt really overwhelmed by it and I was like really depressed but I honestly like I was okay yesterday when I came on starvation I didn't even cry and what sort of um impact does it have on your relationship because I think that's something that we don't really talk about is that when you're trying for a baby there are two people who are affected by it I mean to be honest I think it's actually had probably quite a good impact because um my husband's been really good about it and he's way more practical than I am he's like less emotional about what's it all I mean like one time he was like just don't get upset if you're not pregnant this time I was like really not helpful yeah yeah I tell you what just tell me how to feel I can't really make that decision but he's been really practical about it and really good at like rationalizing my insane thoughts of like this imaginary time limit I give it myself and he's like doesn't matter what's the difference between a two and a half year age gap to a three year age gap like you've got six months in our whole lives it's not a big deal and that has really helped um and also when you cut I feel like it's helpful when you both like we do both want to get pregnant now like we both really want it so I feel like we're both like brings you together a bit to work towards goal it's it's interesting what kind of goes through your mind when you're trying again and you're doing you're listening to what everything that everybody's saying to you like I was speaking to my old agent on the phone last night and she's trying to have a baby and I was like are you lying on your back after you have sex and she was like it doesn't work and I'm like just fucking do it like I swear that's how I got of course I don't know I obviously do that every time your head's done there's nothing quite sexy than finishing a moment and going oh I'm in it I know it's awful literally doing everything I've been going to um acupuncture like yeah taking every single supplement you can possibly take but yeah I think yeah I feel fine about doing IVF though and I feel like it's quite nice to have it like back in your control aren't we so lucky with ivf and the way it's gone i mean think about back to our sort of parents day and what they had in their toolbox then that's so true you know yeah it wasn't spoken about was it none of these conversations happened there was so much shame around everything i know because that's why i feel like people don't tell people they're pregnant until 12 weeks i know it's that like in case something goes wrong i just don't agree with that i want i would want to tell my friends to know if something went wrong anyway of course we we always say that and i think that is really important and also those first like 12 weeks are really exciting yeah and you want to talk to people about it you want people to get excited with you you want all of that too isn't it weird we've never spoken about this on the podcast before but why are we shushed up in those first 12 weeks also that's when you feel your absolute worst as well and you're like going to work trying to not throw up yeah it'd be quite good if you could be like sorry guys i'm gonna have to throw up every half an hour in the toilet don't worry it's because I'm pregnant I remember when I was pregnant with my first and I was working like in fashion where you know we would all only basically eat salad at lunch and when I said I was pregnant they were like yeah I knew I was like why and I said because I brought in like a family-sized box of pasta and I was eating that for lunch every day and obviously like that was just completely different to everything I'd done for like the previous 10 years and they're like suddenly you're just like saying yes to all the birthday cake and like eating these mashed potatoes and i genuinely thought i'd been really good at keeping it a secret but like not at all someone said the same to me when i said at work when i was pregnant and someone said oh that explains all snacks i was like great we'll be right back after this short break

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22:59welcome back to this episode of made by mamas now where were we talk to us about um how you're feeling about potentially having another baby and have you thought about how it might impact bella how it might how you'll work it i don't know how i'm going to work the sleep situation that is genuinely an issue so i really thought by the time i'd have a second baby my first child would be sleeping but that's obviously not going to happen um but no I'm I think it'll be great she's like she's at an age where she can be helpful I think like and she loves babies she's obsessed with babies every time she sees one she goes baby like loves them loves the little dolls so I and like likes to like you know pretend put nappies on her dolls feeds them so I think she'll be really helpful and love it um I just yeah the only thing I'm really worried about is the sleep I just don't know how we're going to manage that I mean just dressing it up for you you'll just there's no escape so you will just have to deal with it and you know what I think you'll have a newborn so it'll be like that baby will sleep all you'll probably have an amazing sleep a second time you might do yeah come on come on sleep gods we deserve them you do you really do deserve it and it does happen like you think that doesn't exist but I promise you actually really does I I kind of feel like when everyone says, people tell me their kids sleep like 12 hours, I'm like, you must be lying.

24:18Yeah, yeah, fuck off. We used to follow this person on Instagram, naming no names. And all of her children would sleep in a row. In a row. In the same room. In matching outfits. Asleep. And we were like, something's not right here. This must be. We started like saying that she must be drugged. No, no, no. We were like, no, no, she's definitely drugged. Like, she has to drugged. Georgia, you're really racist. But we did need to say that. I was going to work out who this is. We couldn't get our heads around it. We were like, is she bribing them? We just couldn't work it out. What's happening? But I guess some people are just blessed with sleeping children.

24:56My best friend, whose daughter, she's my goddaughter, is two weeks younger than about us. She goes to bed at 5.45 and wakes up at 6.30. Her bedtime's 5.45. No, I didn't. I used to have kids like that. in lockdown it started because I'd had enough of the day so it was still like bath time moved to like half four in the afternoon and then it just and then in the end it was like 5.45 they'd be asleep and I it was the best time of my life it really was unless bedtime's 8 o 'clock have you tried bringing it forward yeah I've tried everything this is where we plan it on for our best sleep is an 8pm bedtime and she still waits up concert eyes but when it was like when i tried earlier she was up for like three hours in the night do you know what it will be one of those things it's really interesting because when you're in it you think you'll never ever ever i say interesting it's horrific never ever think you're ever going to come out of it do you that is that is why they use sleep deprivation as a form of torture you know and i can see how and why are there any moments during your motherhood period where you just have to lock yourself in the downstairs mirror and be like get away for me i can't handle it talk us through the chaotic moments what do they look like well just when there's like periods aren't there when they're so clingy and they and also I mean Bella definitely prefers me very obviously but like it's nice a lot but sometimes you're like can you go to your dad please and yeah just in times when she's been there's just periods where they're like overly whiny won't let you put them down you can't get anything done you've had two hours sleep and you're like come on just I just need five minutes to myself I've definitely had times when especially in the night where I mean a couple of weeks ago her sleep got really bad for like three nights don't know what was going on and I was trying I was sleeping in her cot was my like attempt to get her to go to sleep and she still would sit up while I was in her cot she'd be going mommy lie down I was like okay I'm gonna get in your cot and I'll lie down and then she was waking up and just sat there going there's a she said there's a tiger in her room there's a whole thing I don't know what's going on and I was like actually just gonna cry because she wouldn't go to sleep in my bed she wouldn't go to sleep with me asleep in her car yeah and I was like there's literally nothing you can do to sleep to make you sleep and she wouldn't let my husband do anything every time he went in she screamed mommy so it was just me like for literally I think I had put it on my story actually my aura ring said I had like a 21 sleep score oh my god that would give me absolute fear I was like that's so sad and do you do you how does it manifest in you like do you get do you do you get emotional are you the person that kind of blows their lid do you how do you do i actually think i'm really patient with i'm when it comes to anything about i am really patient which i'm not in my life like i'm not patient with anyone to be honest but with her i am so patient and i i do keep it and i probably take out my husband when i'm like overwhelmed with motherhood i think he gets it like i would never shout at bella ever in my life but i well maybe a couple of times when it's been 5am um but i yeah when i'm i'm feeling like that and especially when it's it often when she's like at her at her clingiest whatever she doesn't let him do anything so i just get so annoyed at him you don't do what i'm doing i'm doing it all and he's just off to work go to the gym and yeah i just i take it out on him for sure yeah i think that's really normal normal yeah what do you think um has surprised you the most about motherhood i just i how much i love it really truly i really do and i feel like before i became a mom i was quite conscious of like will i like miss the things of life like my life before motherhood and i really don't to be honest i've always always quite homebodies i feel like i look i like the excuse to not like have big nights out and stuff but I I just I I really like she's so funny I find I genuinely like enjoy her company so much whereas I feel like I sometimes you see on social media like just the negatives yeah it's weird isn't it you either see the perfectly curated or you see the absolute moaning myrtles yeah yeah and and also both are held and both are there for it but they're a bit of like realness that some days are really shit and some days are actually beautiful yes exactly i think like the the good parts always do for me at least outweigh the tough parts but i i do think that's so right you people are either always life's perfect or or motherhood is hell yeah when we had our first 10 years ago yeah it was all perfection all of it there was no negative talk at all and that was really unhelpful and then it spun and it was like everyone was super negative and I actually think put a lot of people off having kids they kept the birth rate down yeah like I'm really aware of that because I look back and I'm like god did I used to moan a lot because actually now like with a 10 year old about to go to secondary school I'm like I want all of that back I know I want it all back yeah I can't I can't even bear the thought of her going to school yeah I do I I feel like it's really negative online at the moment like a lot of what I see anyway whether I don't know if that's just my algorithm because everyone's algorithm's different but i feel like i see so many people and like commenting like quite openly how they hate being mums i'm like don't do that your kids might see that yeah that's that's quite i find that quite jarring i do find that i didn't used to actually but i think like georgia said i think because we're at a very different stage now where our kids are becoming super independent and they don't really need us in the same way we're almost i mean probably if you listen back to the 10 years of podcasting that we've been doing we've been moaning like a couple of fucking housewives about it.

30:43But right now. I think we moan about our husbands more than the kids. Oh, fuck yeah. I think that was the main, that was the main bit. Like, that is the main change in life after having, my husband's just so annoying. Oh my God. Do you find him really irritating now? Yeah, all the time. Yeah. Like, God bless him. He probably thinks he's doing. Love you, Ben. Yeah, love you so much. But I feel like he thinks he's doing so much. Yeah. And I'm like, you're doing 10 % of what I do. Yeah. And he really genuinely thinks he's doing at his capacity. Yeah. Is it Ben or Tom? Tom. Tom. She's a Ben. Love you, Ben.

31:15Who's Ben? My other lover. I just wanted to give him a special shout out. Tom and you have a great love affair? Or is it a best friend? I wouldn't say it. We've been together for like four years. Have you been together for four years? How did you meet? At uni. That's so nice. He was a club promoter. He was a club promoter. Always go for the club promoters. He was also at uni there. But yeah, we met at uni. Been together ever since. Did you marry your best mate then? Yeah, definitely. Nice. Yeah, I wouldn't say we're like, I wish we were a bit, but we're not like the most romantic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:49You've got an 18-month-old baby like, it's not what happened right now. It's not going to be that. Yeah, honestly, trying for your second's an absolute chore when you're running on like three hours sleep. Quick, we need it now. Quick, quick, quick. Oh, God, okay. Oh, my God. Yeah, there's not much romance there, unfortunately. Do you make time for date nights? Do you know what we're really bad at? Yeah. do you guys do that no no no no no yeah I was gonna say well I went for a phase where we'd really we'd be really good at it but I just think now I look back there's like all different stages and I think you get a sweet spot of where the kids go to bed at seven o 'clock or something and you have whole evenings and they don't really have any commitments so you have that sweet spot and I think in those years you can really work on your like relationship and then now the stage I'm at now it's like we're like ships in the night like one's taking kid one kid to this one's taking and then we just meet sometimes the kids don't get like it's like 8 30 quarter to nine oh yeah come back from their clubs and then suddenly you're literally just going to bed like this wearing like a straight jacket like don't touch me yeah yeah no it's i think it's different phases and stages well i probably it sounds like i'm at the phase where i should be making the rest of data No, not yet.

33:02No, no, no, no. Yeah, I'm saying it's almost like the beginning of school years. Okay, fine. Like that kind of... And also, as I said, I'm scared of going out late. So both of us are like, we need to be in bed early. So even like a date night, we're like, should we like... 5.30 dinner. And you get the first booking, the 5.30. Yeah, exactly. Do you think you've changed as a person since you've become a mum? Oh my gosh, yes. So much, definitely. I feel like, well, I can't say my agency. so she might be disagreeable but I'm definitely more organized more organized now yeah I think so well I didn't really have to do before I don't think I'm so I'm so like naturally type b but obviously you just have to have like be more on top of things don't you just like everything doctors every bloody week at this age oh my god it's awful so honestly it's always something wrong um but yeah I just feel like I'd be more organized and as I said I'm way more patient I'm like naturally my family would say I have no patience for anything this is such an interesting point go on so you're more patient you think because of your daughter definitely I would I had like if if I was like teaching my my sister used to literally say to me like you could never be a teacher so I just try and help with the homework and I'm like how'd you not get it after like two seconds whereas I am so patient with Ella like if she's having a tantrum I leave her to it like in fact my husband gets in the mood with me like how like chilled I am with her he's like oh my God, let's keep things moving.

34:26But I, yeah, I just, I don't know. I just, I can't say no to her, to be honest. Well, that's, I think that's pretty impressive. I'm not sure we've had anyone on the podcast that said, well, my kids have a tantrum that they're really patient and calm. So I think you win, Georgia. I think that's such a good trait to have. It's amazing. I think my husband finds it annoying. He finds it irritating because he wants to see you explode. You can just turn on him and explode at him instead. He gets it every now and then. I did a new tactic the other day because I used to get super wound up. I mean I generally get super wound up with the bickerings little to a really close in age and they'd already had a physical fight in the living room a physical fight and Luna had pushed Kit and he hit his head on like a marble table so when I picked scooped him up I thought we're going to A &E like I thought split head luckily no so there's this had all been going on and then when I got in the car with them suddenly it became my fault that they'd had a physical fight and it was almost like they both turned on me and I was like I'm under my breath I was like I'm not fucking having this so I just got out the car shut it locked it because they were in it and I just stood there just going but normally I would have gone right enough but I just thought I've got to remove myself from the situation I thought that was growth from me that definitely is it feels like growth also I can say I'm patient now but Bella doesn't really talk about to me yet I was going to say, it is confronting.

35:46When they eye roll, like, or I get from my son, this girl. No. This girl. This girl. He goes, this girl. And I'm like, oh, my God, I hate everybody in your body. Yeah, no, that would hurt me. But Georgia does cook him wagyu beef for his lunch. I do. Or, like, steak. I'm so pathetic. So, you know, this girl. I really am. Like his lunchbox at school is like, and all the parents comment on it. And I'm like, I love it. No, they hate you. I know, but that's fine. I think it's funny. The kids go home and they're like, yeah, it's a Maggie State for love. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I do love it. The most annoying thing about Georgia is that she also runs a really successful PR business.

36:29We do the podcast. She's like dropping her kids here. Right. She never fucking sleeps. I do. I do. It's not actually that. How are you human? But cooking a steak takes four minutes. Do you know what I mean? It actually doesn't. It sounds like a lot. It takes four minutes. And then I put a pack of microwave rice in the microwave and I put some broccoli on it and I put it in a lunchbox. It's actually really not that good. Sounds delicious. Why don't we bring our pack lunch in like that? Is there always food in your fridge? Of course. Well, we run out of butter, so I just delivered a thing of butter this morning.

37:01Oh, I'm addicted to that. What's that? Who don't have a dessert? We don't. We're outside of London, so we don't get a dessert. but I do know what it is. It is the best thing. It's like delivery, but it's like their own grocery store, but it's like premium and it comes, they've just opened a new one near us but it comes in less than five minutes. It's so good. But you can like get Dale's food, you can get whatever, but I'm just like, oh, we've run out of this. Toilet roll, everything. In all seriousness, what did our parents do without access to that? Because in like the younger years, I'd be like, you know, at home on my own and then I'd have to like order in nappies or order in milk or ordering all that kind of stuff because I went to the shops.

37:40Yeah, but what could you do? Because if your kids were in bed and there's no one else at home, would you leave them in bed? Leave the kids in bed alone. Is that what they did? I got left alone. They did, didn't they? A hundred percent. My parents went off to dinner parties and we were just asleep. Did they? That must have happened. It was like the 80s and we lived in the middle of nowhere. Oh, my God. I don't think my parents did. I once came down and we had these couple of babysitters and they were having sex on the sofa. Shut up. Shut up. Yeah. What? How old were you? I don't know, 10, 9? That scarred you for life?

38:12No, not at all. I think it's set the bar for future interests. Oh, my God. It was the 80s, guys. I know, but that can still happen now. It's just because of the 80s. It means babysitters don't have sex. To make sure a babysitter doesn't make a boyfriend run. Exactly. Oh, my God, I've never thought of that. I know. Oh, God, I'm not having a couple of babies. No, don't. Always a solo one. Always a solo one. um georgie let's talk about your sister because she's just becoming a new mum yeah how is she getting on and what's it like for you being an aunt she loves it she's taken to it so well and yeah she's like he doesn't sleep either which is i kind of love what james i was gonna say at least you've got that uh no jamie jamie to be fair is quite good at helping with the knights he is really helpful at that but uh yeah so he doesn't sleep very well so we're always like commiserating because I think I'd find it really annoying if their babies are year younger than mine sleeping that would be annoying like for one week you did I was like put a little thing in his room that's like but yeah she loves it and oh my god being an auntie is like the best thing ever you literally love those child like that child like it's your own and I because obviously Sophie always said that she was like and she still like loves about it so much um and I just thought obviously it's a different love but it's actually not you just really love those children and you want so much to be like close to them and them to like know you so well yeah um so yeah we're really good at making sure we see each other a lot and like the kids actually love each other oh that's nice because if they're only a year apart that's actually lovely the cousins i know we are the other side of london but it's like 45 minutes it's not that bad no it's not at all do you think you because you obviously have a big sister do you think you sort of paved the way in terms of motherhood and being able to help her during that period did she come to you for advice definitely yeah she comes to me advice still all the time and which I think has been really nice and also because it wasn't that big a gap like I still remembered yeah because I like now I don't really remember how to look after a newborn but like when he was a newborn I think I remembered like what to do so I was able to give advice which was really nice and I also when I had when I was a new mum I think Soph thought I was mental like she did what she openly said like you need to calm down like the nap schedule like you're really helicopter mom like eight oh my mom eight blah blah blah and as soon as she had sick she thought i'm really sorry i'm not saying that um so i feel very vindicated you're mental you need to chill out like just because obviously i like i remember when bella was five months i went on holiday with her and my mom and i was a bit aimed at about naps because bella wasn't sleeping and i was like if she misses her lunchtime obviously you know like you do have to yeah schedule if you want them to sleep at all at night and she thought I was insane she was like just let her sleep in the pram when she's tired look she falls asleep I was like no her falling asleep at five o 'clock in the pram is not a good thing it's not a good thing for me trust me and she yeah she thought it was it was me being crazy but as soon as she had Ziggy she was like oh I get it now so sorry yeah she also was yeah she thought I was also too far too gentle and now she's like sorry what she's like gentle but like I I don't the reason I think she's quite bad I've not like never let her like cry at night like I just go to her yeah and she was like you need to sleep train that girl and now she's like I don't want to sleep train Ziggy it is it's so funny how until you're in a situation you have no concept of what that's actually like it's quite traumatizing to do that I get why people do completely and I wish I had it in me to do that I'd get that asleep but I just am too like weak have you had sleep trainers out to like we've had like specialists but when i've i've like we had one who was trying to get me to get her let her cry a bit and i just genuinely couldn't hack it but also she did say this specialist she was like i don't think it's for her like she gets too i like she gets really upset and she's not going to self-settle she's just going to lose her mind and one and i yeah just the experience i had trying that for literally like 10 minutes she went absolutely insane and it was just too upsetting for me so I was like yeah this isn't worth it I'd rather wake up and also there are so many studies around I know you know the comfort and and actually you know you're you're a bit knackered but like it is so short-lived I think it works for some people and it and it doesn't work for others and I think it's like the media and like social media it's making you think like your baby should be sleeping like babies like when my mum had asked she was like yeah you didn't sleep and i knew you weren't like you weren't meant to sleep when you're babies like babies aren't meant to sleep necessarily all night long and if they do really lucky but like i feel like there's a lot of pressure to like force your kids like you're you're doing something wrong if your kids aren't sleeping yeah god we used it used to make our blood boil when people would be like oh are they not sleeping yeah and And you just go, I'm going to punch you in the face.

43:10Do you think I've tried everything? No, honestly, no. I was mental with my first, like reading. I used to be like, Zoe, I need to drink a glass of water. This is what I've got to do. She followed this woman who told her when to have a pee, basically. Yeah. And then the second time round, I did nothing and genuinely had one of those babies that we would wake up. We wouldn't tell anyone. We used to wake up like, oh, that is a good time. like yeah could you think you're gonna jinx it so i was like i never say anything even on the podcast i'd be like so i'm not talking about it because this is gonna undo it all like like i can't but it did i did nothing i think that was the whole thing like one i did everything and the second i did nothing and one slept really well yeah i kind of i think it's i just think it's that temperament did you ever co-sleep oh i did loads yeah yeah yeah but would you do it that is that what you think I would do that for my next baby because I was really scared of it when I obviously when you have your first sight everything's terrifying so I was really scared of Bella so I didn't till she was older maybe like five months I didn't start close sleeping till then with my next baby I would go sleep much earlier yeah and and I would feel confident like I did all see all the reading and like how to do it safely but I just still was like she's so I'm so scared but yeah I would definitely co-sleep I'd co-sleep ever genuinely if it was up to me I'd be co-sleeping now, but she actually doesn't even sleep that way in my bed.

44:32No, she wants to chat. Yeah. It's about the tiger in the room. Yeah, I think the whole thing about co-sleeping is if you all get a much better night's sleep, then it's worth doing. But if you don't, then... I mean, she was in our bed from three last night till this morning. She often does halfway through the night come in and that saves me. I often used to say to mine, come in, but you don't have to wake me to tell me that you're coming in and then have a chat. Just get into bed. get in cosy in yeah go to sleep mummy mummy like sometimes Kit comes in and he goes and he just I'll go what have you done and he goes I was wigging you up and I'm like you don't have to smack me on the head you can just come get into the bed it's bonkers that they do stuff like that I know I'm at this stage now where Axel's asleep in bed and I get next to him and I'm like and I'm like just in case if he opens his eyes he'll be like get off what are you doing and I'm like it's so pathetic I'm like, let's do it.

45:29It's so cozy. Literally the other night she was sleeping with me. I took a picture. She decided to like literally sleep across my neck. And I just, she was, she was so cuddled up to me. I didn't move. I was so uncomfortable. I was like, oh, this is really cute. We'll be right back after this short break.

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48:46welcome back to this episode of made by mamas now where were we did you ever get any like postnatal lows or did you ever suffer with any of the baby blues i didn't really apart from like i think it was the day my milk came in and my dad was at our house when we first had bella we were we'd bought our house but we were waiting for it to all go through so we were in a rental flat so my dad was there and various parents were there and I was like day four or five after having that there and like I just burst out crying I couldn't stop and everyone was like you okay and I was all I wanted to be honest I didn't say it's that loud I just wanted everyone to get out my house to stop holding my baby I was like get off her I want to hold her and no I don't want to speak to anyone but no one really got a picture but yeah I was just like crying all day everyone was like you okay and I was just like yeah that was like the only yeah I mean that's just like that drop isn't it that hormonal drop oh god yeah is there anything that you will do the next time fingers crossed round differently different yeah yeah i mean i genuinely will co-sleep earlier on is what i've been thinking and i think i probably i don't know if this will work because as you just said like you didn't do anything if you're second but i actually didn't really put like that good sleep hygiene into practice with bella early on i just like i always wanted to and I'm not against like I will still do like contact naps because I love them but I would like do all contact naps because I love them do all contact naps I did you did yeah whereas I feel like if I want a better sleep maybe I should try getting into practicing in the crib a bit earlier yeah yeah yeah but I still I don't want to stop myself like enjoying that gorgeous contact nap time especially when they're like newborn obviously yeah I'm not putting that baby down I think when you have a second as well you'll have to put them down more well yeah because you've got a little one right now exactly yeah Yeah, you don't really have the choice, do you?

50:36That's such an interesting question, George. I'm not sure whether I've thought about it. I would slow down and stop. Same, I would stop rushing things. Stop rushing things. Yeah, 100%. I don't know, is it natural that you just want to get on to the next bit? I don't know. I think I'd soak it all off a bit more. Did we have a bubble the first time around? Yeah. We did a bit, didn't we? Yeah. That was more bubbly than the first. Yeah, the first, yeah. I don't know. but I just know I would soak it all in a bit yeah I think I can't I can't really imagine because I feel like when I first had Bella I just like stayed in just like it was we had a like in November so it was like Christmassy and cozy I'm like I'll be having to go to the park there oh my god someone else is taking the park job let me tell you um so it'll obviously be different but um yeah I think I the only things I can really think differently is like enjoy co-sleeping more basically rather than like trying to force her to sleep in the crib from every single night and basically being up every half hour I mean that's a nice one yeah I think I just love co-sleeping and if it wasn't genuinely for my husband I'd still be doing it hopefully there's a spare room for him yeah I think that's an easy problem to solve we like to ask our guests for the best piece of advice that they would impart on to a parent listening to this podcast oh gosh I think this is probably such cliche but it just goes so quickly so I would just like enjoy all the good parts as much as you can although obviously some of it as we've just talked about sleep deprivation is hell the good parts and like every moment that they're growing and you're learning their personalities are so incredible and like it's easy to like let that go past quickly about really noticing it so I feel like really so cool and we always like to ask guests about products so it actually doesn't have to be like baby products or kids products it can just be like your die hard like the best concealer just five things that you absolutely love that you'd recommend to somebody i mean we just mentioned your outfit today yeah i know where are they from are they comfortable are you kate boots they are can i see how high they are no as in um how far they come up on the end oh oh they're so gorgeous um yeah and they're really tight on the ankle which i think looks nicer yeah gorgeous i was actually going to go for the shorter heel was what i went to buy and i tried them on and they were so comfy i was like oh i'm gonna get price point i'm gonna pass on 300 pounds you'll have them for a long time yeah you'll have them for a long time yeah exactly um but as you said concealer the Cossas concealer we tried oh no oh my god it's it's what Hayley Beebe uses I just discovered it from her and it's so good it's like really creamy so it doesn't like go cakey and dry nice really nice I really recommend that always do um for Bella actually it's this Nala's Nala baby yeah yeah baby the peach it's like peachy said detangling spray she's got really curly hair yeah like proper ringlets it still like looks really short because it just every even though it's growing it's just like springing back into ringlets so cute um so it gets really knotty i'm really dry for like curly hair does so i've been using that and it's like gives her these gorgeous ringlets and it also smells like peaches it's so nice um so that's my favorite thing to use on her at the moment um the pantham nappy cream yeah oh yeah is that how you pronounce Yeah, the Pantham.

54:09Yeah, it's great. It's the best it is. It's the best it is. What about a jewellery brand you love? Mismar. Oh, yeah. I love Mismar. I love Mismar. Oh, two sets of Mismar. Yeah, they're so pretty. I saw those. Love Mismar. What about a treatment that you like? Last one. Hy-fu. Hy-fu. What's hy-fu? I haven't had it. I keep hearing about hy-fu. I've never had it. It's changed my life. I'll show you before and after. Okay. Really. When I have hy-fu, I need... Will it make me look five years younger than you? Yeah, it does this. It's like a skin, it like burns fat and tightens your skin and boost collagen all in one.

54:43Right, Samia. So what are they doing? It's like a, it just feels like a warm machine. It feels like a bit bruisey like on the bones. They just, I think they can adjust the settings to like how much fat burning, how much tightening, blah, blah, blah. And they, I always get it like lower face. I've got my like jawline like literally at five times. I got it like before Bella and then I was like, right, I need another round after I have my baby. And can you visibly see? Yeah, should I, don't you see it? I would love to see. Right, Haifu. And where do you go to get yours done? I get mine in Fierce Face Aesthetics in Clapham.

55:14She's amazing. Fierce Face Aesthetics in Haifu. And she's very well done. Right, I'm actually writing this down. I would say, do you think it depends on, like, how good your practitioner is? Okay. Okay, right. Look, wait till you see my jawline before. I mean, are we doing this on the podcast? You can if you are. Oh, wow. Who's at the top? Me. Shut up. Yeah. That's not you in the top. It was, and I wasn't any, like, I weighed the same. It just, I had, like, fat under my... That's not you at the time. Everyone says that. They're like, she looks so old. That's not you. That can't be you. It is me.

55:45I look like Hyphi did. Are you joking? What? That is amazing. I know. Oh, my God. I'm actually searching that up right now. I can't believe it either. Hyphi. And that was, like, at my wedding, like, three months later, that second... Turn to your... Turn to your side. Right. Hyphi. Wowza. Hyphi. Hyphi live on the podcast. I'm YouTube. I've got four hours to kill this afternoon. Oh, you're not going to sleep? I'm off. I tell everyone about it. I'm like, that has genuinely changed my face so much. And even like everywhere, it's really changed my face. Oh my gosh. Okay, hi-fu it is. Call us, guys.

56:21Call us Clapham Clinic. Thank you so much to the gorgeous Georgia for coming on. She's been amazing. Yay. Thank you. Oh, such a nice conversation. And I also loved hearing bits and pieces about Sophie and I don't know how she makes time for her partner and like trying for a second baby. I just thought the whole chat was just really gorgeous. We loved her. I really love how honest people are about trying for a baby now. I think it used to be this secret. No one wanted to say they were trying and yet it can be all encompassing. It can completely take over your life. Whereas now I think people are really open when they say, oh no, we are trying for a baby.

57:02This is what it is. this is what's happening. I really think it helps so many people because 10 years ago, you only saw when someone was pregnant. You never saw the journey to get there. No one ever talked about that. So yeah, I really love that she just talks openly about it. And she's really upset every month when she gets her period, but now she's going to try IVF. Yeah, so we'll have her back on when she's, fingers crossed, got baby number two. Thank you so much to Georgia. and thank you guys for listening to today's episode. As always, we'd love you to rate, review, subscribe and please give our podcast a follow so that you don't miss an episode.

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57:561965, London. The world's largest uncut diamond has been stolen from the Natural History Museum. Shortly after, a young London window cleaner is arrested. They said you're nicked, you're in a lot of trouble. But was he set up? Wanted I have fled to fall of two cops. His family say he is guilty, but of a totally different crime. You don't want to end up going to prison, do you, kid? I'm Josie Long, and this is Rough Diamond. Listen now, wherever you get your podcasts.