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2:58But for now, George, should we get into it? It's Tuesday. It is. How are you? I'm actually... My heart palpitations were quite bad this morning. Yeah, they were. Do you ever get those? I use... Do you not remember? We were shooting somewhere with someone once in Notting Hill, I want to say, and I had it, and you told me what to do, and I wish I remembered what you told me to do because it worked, and then I could have told you to do that. but every conversation between us is like I'm sure we've met her what's happening I can't remember where we went yesterday what did we do I'm sure I know you how yeah um I have got a really low resting heart rate at like 48 beats per minute or something it's hereditary my mum has it my granddad had it so it runs in the family but some days are so bad that I feel really shaky like I call it like cloud pavement you know when you know exactly what you mean yeah you feel like You're not on the planet.

3:52And I get this like rush and my heart feels like it's not in sync. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I should go and see something about it. I don't know. I think there's things like when you're having that sort of rush of adrenaline that you can do, like washing your hands. That sounds really silly, doesn't it? Really? Yeah, yeah. Washing your hands in like warm water. That can really help. Okay, I'm going to try that. Maybe that. Because the breathing wasn't working this morning. I know that the breath work is really important. Yeah. I think there's something in that, like after you have a shock or after it kind of brings everything back down.

4:21I don't know. Okay, that's good advice. I'll take that. I think also because pre-8 o 'clock this morning, I realised I hadn't got a B outfit for Kit, his B musical, and everything was going on in the group and they were like, Kit's a guard. And I was like, right, can he just go in a black t-shirt and some black trousers? And they were like, no, he needs a spear and a soldier's hat and a stripy B t-shirt. And I was thinking, I haven't got fucking any of those things. Can we just like, how much goes on at the end of term? I cannot cope with it. See, that makes my chest feel tight. Like the second I think about it, I'm actually so glad that it's the holidays now.

4:56But that last couple of weeks of term is horrific. You have parents evenings. You have school concerts. You have school assemblies. You have sports. Yes. Mini Olympics. We had country music something the other day. And you know when you're like, OK, I tried to get Axel to put a necker sheep around his neck. neck and he was literally just like, mum, I look like I'm wearing a bib. No. And then I've got Gigi, like cowboy boots, pink hat, full everything, wants to go all in. But it's just a lot to remember. It is a lot, isn't it? And then the chef at school fucked off and they've got no actually packed lunches every day.

5:35But you know what? At least it's kind of over now. Exactly. Because the kids break up. Mine break up tomorrow, yours break up today. Mine break up today and we can take a breath. And although we've been dreading the holidays, at least we've got no more school admin for a little while. No more school admin, but I've got to get up every day at quarter past four for the next three weeks. I'm sorry about that. I'm so sorry about that. But I'm so excited to do breakfast. It's going to be amazing. How are you? I'm all right. Yeah, I mean, when we were recording this, Gigi has just sabotaged her general anaesthetic.

6:04Oh, my God. For anyone that missed this on Instagram, what the hell happened? By eating a pancake. So I actually realised I didn't talk about what operation she was having. I did say it wasn't serious, and it's not serious. She just had what we thought was an ulcer in her mouth and it just grew and then would go down and then get bigger again and go down. So I took her to the doctors because it was like been six months or whatever. And they were like, yeah, like, let's just get it off. It's a cyst. It's a cyst. Yeah. And because of where it is, like, she doesn't really like eating that much anyway.

6:33Kind of stops her from eating. It will probably affect her speech if it got bigger. So we just got to get it gone. Anyway, she. I love it. She was all excited about the operation. And then about an hour before we were due to leave, like she wasn't allowed to eat after 8am in the morning. So she'd had breakfast and then I'd taken her to Sainsbury's to buy some pyjamas to wear, you know, just like trying to distract her. Yeah, because it is a big deal. Yeah, and we got home and I thought, right, we've managed it. I went upstairs to get her bag and then I came down and I could see crumbs around her mouth.

7:13And I was like, you've eaten, haven't you? She was like, no, no. And I was like, oh, what have you been doing there? She was like, nothing. Absolutely adamant that she hadn't had anything to eat. And I'm thinking, you definitely have, 100 % anyway. So I tried to explain to her, I was like, listen, it's dangerous. It's not a joke. It's really dangerous if you eat. You're having an anaesthetic. It's really dangerous. So then she admitted to the hospital that she had eaten. A pancake. A pancake. And a plane. Was it even worth it? This sort of stuff is bringing back all my heart palpitations. Yeah.

7:55And so then they had to cancel it. Shit. Because obviously to have a child's anaesthetist in the hospital, that's quite like a specific role. So yeah. So she's having it done in the school holidays now, which she's gutted about because she doesn't get two days off school. so that sort of um yeah scuppers also you wanted to get it done before the holiday because you're off to disneyland florida i am yeah i wanted to get it done before because i just thought it would be the best thing to do and um yeah no now now we're not we're having it done when we get back oh no george have you been to disneyland before do you know i haven't actually been but it and it's a place i never went to as a kid same so i don't know like sometimes i feel anxiety at Chessington World of Adventures.

8:41Yeah, I mean, it's totally not. It's not my thing. It potentially could be a bit big for me, but I think the kids would love it. Yeah, this is exactly how we are. Like James's parents are paying for the whole family to go wild. It's definitely not something I would choose, but now the more people you speak to, they're like, no, no, no, you will actually like it. You're going to have fun. So I'm going to report back because I think a lot of us, if we didn't go as kids, maybe we don't maybe get it. What I find hilarious is that there's kind of grown men who, you know, are your sort of like archetypal lads.

9:16And then they go to Disney and they're like faffing around with all the characters wearing Mickey ears. They're wearing ears. Apparently some adults wear full costume. Actual full like the whole Alice in Wonderland family or like, you know, whatever. It's a real thing. It is. For a long time I used to tell people that I never grew up watching Disney movies. And people thought I'd had my childhood stolen. Same. I didn't. I didn't grow up watching them. And then you feel like there's something wrong with you. Yeah. And then you have to let your kids watch them. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously I love them now.

9:48Yeah. Yeah. But it's, yeah. Anyway, we'll see. And we're not going to, we're literally not going to see each other. Because you go to Florida and then I go to Ibiza for two weeks. And then you go to? Cyprus for a family wedding. Cyprus for a family wedding. Yeah. So we're not, we're not going to see each other for six whole weeks. No. I can't wait for you to FaceTime me from Florida where Disney is. I think I'm going to get sucked in. I'm going to come back a Disney mum. What's been going on? Because the last few weeks for you were quite busy. Had your mum around? Yeah, well, just before we get into the sort of main chat, which is just going to be a solo episode today with me and George, mum has gone back to Kenya and she actually ended up staying with us for about nine weeks in the end, which is quite a long time.

10:32And you've got heart palpitations. And then there's heart palpitations now. She has been so lovely. Like it has been the best trip we've ever had together. We haven't had any major meltdowns, but obviously having a parent in your house for that long is a long time. She only went away for a couple of weeks and, you know, there were obviously some sticking points and like also, you know, she had a birthday, she just turned 77. And on her birthday, I said to her, would you like to go and do something fun this morning? And she was like, I love to do Pilates. And I was like, okay, fine. I can't get us into a class.

11:03How about a bike ride? and she went boulders brass yeah love it i cycle all the time in kenya and i was like oh brilliant okay great i was like well just do the loop like nothing too much we'll take you to doily island i'll get a coffee it'd be great and i said the majority of it is on the tow path so you'll be fine anyway she gets on the bike and we get on to the main road and it's like watching your toddler take off their stabilizers for the first time she's all over the place there's a fucking dustbin man trying to get past her honking she's dragging the bike on the pavement off the pavement wobbling around and i just went mum i was like what are you doing and she went um well actually in actual fact i haven't been on a bike for 40 years and i was like right you 100 % should have told me this she was like no i'll be fine it's absolutely fine it's exactly the same as riding on the dirt tracks in kenya and i said it's not there's cars we've got to get down there anyway we finally got onto the towpath she's making such a harouch about it shouting to people We're going, can't believe I've been signed up for this.

12:06This is a disaster. And it's my birthday. And I'm like, mum, if you don't concentrate, you're going to hit a route and you're going to go into the water because we're right by the fucking canal. What happened? She went in. She hit a route. She nearly went in the drink. Nearly. Okay. But she fell arse over tit off the bike, covered in mud. Then she proceeded to tell an old lady that walked past that she'd hurt her fanny, which was one of the funniest. And I was like, stop telling everyone. What are you doing? These two old boys walk past. And she's like, I've hurt myself everywhere. and I was like we have to go back it took us an hour to do less than a kilometer so that was a disaster and then all I could hear her saying was like this has been an awful start to my birth I mean I just it has been a little tense in parts having a parent in your house for that long but that was particularly funny I told my sister and she was howling oh my god bless her for trying I know no it's a mate like it's amazing for trying but maybe you should take her out for brunch.

13:01Do you know what, George? I should have channeled my inner U and taken there for like fizzy Fridays. Yeah, I think it would have been less dangerous. But then at what point do you look at your parent and think... You can't do that anymore. You can't do that anymore. I don't know. Because it's really hard, especially somebody like my mother, who's really strong, still really ambitious, still works really hard for me to go to her. Do you know what? I think it's probably best that you don't go bike riding. I wonder if anyone's been in this position where they've actually watched their parents struggle with something and it's the first time you've realised that they actually can't do it anymore yeah yeah that that is like a new sort of phase isn't it in your life but guess what she's done what bike she's she's bought um padded cycling shorts and a helmet and she's got a secondhand bike in kenya and she's like next time i come back i'll be absolutely fine i was like there is fuck all chance i'm ever going out with you on a bike ever again oh my god oh my god no wonder I've got heart palpitations.

13:57Yeah, Jesus. You take the kids on the road, don't you cycling? Yeah, we cycle to school. So good. Do you not? No, no, no, no. I haven't got a bike and neither has James. Wait, what? No, no, no. Neither of us have bikes. The kids have bikes. Right. We did say when we moved to where we live now, we would buy bikes as soon as we got there because we've got like a store, like a, do you know what I mean, a bike store. And we were like, oh great, we'll all have bikes. We haven't done that. And Axel was like, on us. Like, why haven't you got bikes? We were at my friend's house at the weekend and they've got a trailer and they're going to France and they're going bike riding around France.

14:33Yeah. And I was like, oh God, okay, I will get a bike. But I'd never cycled on the road before, ever. When I was a kid, I cycled from Kent to the south of France. Oh, I top her. It took us two weeks and we stopped and camped on the way down and stayed in Little Chambredoats and we all did it. Oh my God. See, I've never even cycled like on the road ever. So I'm like, Axel's been invited to do bikeability. They do it. Yeah. It's where they learn to cycle on the road. I know what it is, George. I think I should go on it. I think I need to go and do it. You 100 % do. Does the idea of it not interest you?

15:12No. This goes back to our original conversation, which we have every week on the podcast about George and being at one with nature. Yeah, we're just different, aren't we? yeah it's not yeah but no but then i you got you know there's things you've got to do i think i just think watching you in the whole outfit with a helmet on is something that everyone on instagram needs to see i'm not about to buy a cycling outfit and like i mean i'm saying oh we're gonna get a bike and i will literally probably ride a kilometer and i'll take an hour like your mum so before literally three months before i met doz i cycled across cambodia and vietnam with Denise Van Elton, Lydia Bright from The Only Ways Essex, Matt Johnson, TV presenter, and me and a couple of others.

15:56And I was like, I'm pretty good at this sort of stuff. This would be amazing. One day on the bike, and I had the worst ass rash you have ever seen. It was chafing, rubber, because of the heat. So every, I had to basically essentially strap my travel pillow to the saddle because I couldn't sit down. The pain and the bruising on the undercarriage was absolutely horrific. and then the chamomile look so i would say somewhere in the middle of cycling across two countries and never going on the roads could be a good start for you yeah i think let's just get onto the road first let's get onto the pavement first because we're not even there yet but um how are you and james we're good we're actually really good i'm sorry guys this is not the content you want um i mean it still gets on my nerves obviously you know like this morning when we were coming in into the studio I'd been up at six o 'clock did the pack lunches got myself ready the kids were even ready and then I spoke to him at 8 45 the kids have to be at school at 8 55 and I was like he was like oh hi where's Gigi's school bag and I was like um I don't know but like you should definitely not be at home he's like oh no I've told them they're already they're gonna be late and i'm like right but why because i left 45 minutes ago and they were ready so what has happened between now and then and he's like well you know they just have no concept of time and i'm like you know and you're like i wonder where they get that from they've got no concept of time well you live on a different time zone um so he just got them in late because he couldn't be bothered to keep telling them has no concept of time so you know who else has this mariah carey Great.

17:37It's like she doesn't believe in time. It's like him. So like if she wants, if someone has to meet her, she'll just come when she wants to. She gets her private jets when she, it's Mariah's world. Yeah. He's the same. He's the same. It's like, it must be something wrong in your brain though, because it's to the point where I'm like, right, say we've got to say we're meeting Zoe at eight o 'clock. Okay. It might take us say two hours to get there. Right. But in his mind, all he hears is eight o 'clock. Right. So he'll get up at eight o 'clock. He doesn't have that. Like, I can't just, you know, like it will take this long to get there.

18:14He has no respect for anyone else. No, exactly. That's what I say to him. It's exactly what I say. And he's like, no, it's not disrespectful. And I'm like, no, no, no. It really is. It's awful. It's awful. And I'm the opposite. I hate being late. I absolutely hate it. So we are normally on time because I've had to like drag him. but it's just weird it's just weird but his parents are exactly the same they're like because oh my god on saturday this is another thing this is the content guys we were going to a friend's house who lives an hour away and we were due to be there at one o 'clock okay it's 1 15 right we're still at home and his to be fair the time was loose anyway it wasn't the end of the world his parents were at our house and i've said to his mum already i'm like oh we're already late I'm really sorry we're going to have to leave you here to lock up like do you mind is that alright because we've got to go and then James is still not dressed and he's like do you reckon I've got time for a haircut and you're like no no no have you got time and his mum and dad are like why is he still like this and I'm like I don't know but why didn't you tell me like and he's apparently just always been like it but you know we've had these conversations before about how Axel is super paranoid about being late so paranoid I'm so annoyed.

19:31That's why. Right, okay. Yeah. But he thinks it's because I don't like being late. I make acts all like that. But I'm like, no, we like it because we live with you. It is your fault. Yes. It's never mine. So we're fine. We're good. But it doesn't mean all the issues have gone away. Of course not. I've just got used to them. Of course not. That's what it is. We'll be right back after this short break.

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22:10Welcome back to this episode of Made by Mamas. Now, where were we? How are you guys? Yeah, we're all right. I'm a bit worried about Kit. He has got a lot of sleep. got extreme fatigue as in can't get him up in the mornings really really tired and black eyes kind of similar to when we got back from Kenya do you remember that time when we discovered that he had that hook and tapeworm situation dragging himself through through life at the moment his teacher speaking to me every day saying this is a different child what's wrong with him where's my it gone he's disruptive he's bored in class he's unengaged he doesn't doesn't seem to be interacting with people that well at school anymore so obviously I've gone into like total mum meltdown about it and I'm like what is it I'm going to take him for some blood tests again because I think there might be some sort of underlying deficiency yeah at the end of the day they're also utterly exhausted and I'm wondering if this is ringing true with anyone else listening because I just think it's been 35 degrees we've had that awful hit well I've quite enjoyed the heat rave but you know it's been hot yeah and they're stuck in a classroom he's doing this B musical and he's a guard and he's got two lines and he has to sit through dress rehearsals practices and he's just bored and some kids like that and some don't yeah so it's like I think I mean there's a whole bigger conversation isn't there around like school and how it's set up and not for everybody and all that kind of stuff but it's so hard when it's your child going through it like i do and probably if you've had luna who probably loves like she was made for school yeah made for school exactly i've got the same actual made for school like loves the like all of that loves it all but then when you've got one that isn't it's hard it's so hard like he said to me he was like well every day he says please please don't send me to school he's crying every morning he really hates it as in he suddenly really doesn't like he's got one foot out to be fair he's leaving his infant school and going to a much bigger school so i think he's out he's outgrown it but he also just says to me why can't we live in france i could ski every day i could play sport in the afternoon i have a bit of tutoring if i have to like he just i don't i just don't know if he's going to be able to get through the next 10 i don't want to tell him he's got 10 or 12 years left of education imagine what he's going to do when he finds that out it's like do you know it's so hard it really is it's just it's just i don't know what to do as his mum to make it better like he lives for the weekends but I also want to discuss with you the impact that so I have taken YouTube off our tellies at home I'm doing it I've been talking about it for a long enough time now I'm going to do it because he is a zombie when he is watching he watches gaming and I don't know it's brain rock it's rotting his brain George yeah he looked he looked like something out of apocalypse now and i came down the other morning having told him not to watch it because i took his ipad away from him and he'd been sitting there i don't know god knows what time he got up because like your kids they get up and go downstairs and he's there like really white and ashen with these black eyes and i was like what are you watching and i just i don't know if that is really impacting him or whether it's his diet or whether it's you know just fatigue at the end.

25:29Just, I feel a bit shit about it at the moment. Worried about him. It is. It's like, it's so difficult to know what to do but I do genuinely think the whole YouTube thing, I see it. I don't really know it. I used to say it didn't affect Gigi but I think it does now. Like... Is she watching shorts? YouTube shorts? She watches, no, she will watch like people playing with Gabby's dollhouse toys. Oh, right, okay. Do you know what I mean? Like that sort of thing. And it's just almost like this is boring and yesterday, so since we had the lady from Nature Doc on the podcast. Lucinda, she's amazing. Lucinda, yeah, I've been doing the magnesium baths.

26:07Oh, yeah. So, like, Axel had a football tournament and then I ran him a magnesium bath and it has been really, like, unbelievable, like, really, really, really helping him. Really? Yeah. Oh, my God. Genuinely. What, with energy? With, no, because he's got that thing in his, you know, where his muscles are, like, round, he's had a growth spurt and he's got that thing. It's really helped, like, him relax. But I let him watch the laptop when he's laying in the bath. It's like a treat. And I'm like. He's like a 40-year-old pop star. I said to him, what do you want to watch? And he's like, YouTube.

26:38And I was like, okay, but what? Like, what do you want me to? Because you can't type because you're in the bath. I'm going to have to type. And he was like, oh, I don't really know. I just watch what comes up. And I was like, fuck, that's really scary. Yeah. So I didn't let him watch it. but he watched Drive to Survive, which is probably equally inappropriate. No, no, no. That's educational and interesting. I do genuinely think it does something to their brains because they go into a weird state. Is it because they don't... It's like a mindless state. It's like he was watching someone else, this watching gaming thing, which they're really, really into.

27:19We've discussed it before, haven't we? But it's because it's not active. You're not doing the gaming. You're not doing anything. You're just mindlessly numbed out. Does he play a game now? Well, he's got his Nintendo, but I've taken Nintendo and the iPad off him. Right. I'm just, I'm going to be quite hard this summer, but it's going to be harder on me because I'm going to have to come back from doing breakfast and I'm going to have to properly parent. Yeah. And be actively involved in, and I'm going to have to do Lego and I'm going to have to do drawings and I'm going to have to be, oh God. Yeah, maybe don't.

27:50I'm going to have to do all that. No, don't do it. No, but I do think they've got to be bored as well. what just sitting there well I think they need to learn learn how to play by themselves like I really do think that I think it's been easy for us like as parents to just let them watch something yeah it's so easy because we can watch anything at any point of the day they can watch whatever they want so they never have to be bored and I think now they're sort of like get like become you know growing up we've realized like oh my god they cannot just like make their own fun it's exactly right and and when we went around to our mate's house yesterday and first thing he said was can we do gaming can we do gaming and i said nope i said why don't you two do some lego and to be fair to the boys the two of them played lego and built lego for two hours yeah so it can be done i just need to get but first stop blood test i'm gonna get that done i'll let you know He needs to see what's going on.

28:48Yeah. So I'll let you know how he gets on. Yeah, but he's starting a new school in September. Which is amazing. Oh, but have you ordered the uniform yet? Hi. Have we met? I'm Zoe. And now I fucking haven't. When do I need to do that, by the way? I would do it now. I feel like we have this conversation every year and we never listen to our own advice and then they have no sizes. I have to go to an actual uniform shop. Yeah, that's the same as me. Okay, put it on my list. Put it on the list. Thanks, George. Another thing to do. I love being the reminder, but actually I don't do it myself. Slum is so fun to be the one reminding.

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