SERIES 19: Episode 2 - O Pioneers, Broadwick Hotel, Ken Burns The Civil War, NMN Supplements

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0:37Oh, I'm obsessed with this brand, O 'Pioneers. That's my first recommendation.

0:44Michael Douglas: Is this the Mary Quant thing? Yeah, but it's like, they're called O 'Pioneers. Should I just start talking about them? Yeah, yeah, well, pass us a pair of those headphones, just so I make sure the O 'Pioneers looks good. You don't have to put them on. No, I quite like wearing them, because I like hearing how we... You like pretending you're in a recording studio, don't you? I like hearing how we sound. I've got a disco hat on, ladies and gentlemen. And I also like going like this. I watched a... Free the world! I saw a video of Zamo the other day. You remember Zamo from Grainchill? Oh, my God!

1:15Michael Douglas: He was on a podcast talking about his life. Blast from the past. But I remember he had a line in Just Say No, and he put his hands on the headphones, and he was like, All you've got to do is be yourself. And I always just remember that. It was such a, like, I'm recording a song thing. Just say no, no. All you got to do is be yourself. I'm going to take this hat off. This hat is courtesy of Euro Accessories on Berwick Street. They're£40. And they're actually lots of little bits of perspex. But you can see on Davina's face there, it's a little mirable. I'm an instant disco. But every time I go to a party and wear this, people go nuts for it.

1:58Everybody go nuts for it.

1:59Michael Douglas: And I give it away every time and I have to buy another one. How many have you bought? Probably six. But the last time we were at a party, Dear Jade was DJing. And you gave one to her. And she was like, oh my God, I love your hat. Have we recommended Jade? I don't think we have recommended Dear Jade, no, but she is a brilliant DJ. Fantastic DJ. Looking all over the world. She played Medicine Festival this year we were at, but she played a private party we were at in Ibiza. Oh my God, she was so good. She was like six hours non-star. So good. Absolute bangles. And dancing. She just dances. She looks so happy when she's DJing.

2:30Michael Douglas: Yeah, she really does. Yeah, she's very bouncy. Very bouncy. I'd realised, you know why Gallivante, our favourite DJ, is called Gallivante? No. Because his gran always said that when he was DJing, it looked like he was on a horse gallivanting. Oh. Because he's like that. Oh, my God. What a brilliant way to get your name. Yeah, it's good, isn't it? That's where it comes from. Oh, I love that. Gallivanting about on a horse. So anyway, I'll leave the hat there. Can I just massively recommend that shop for all things fun if you're going to any party? And also another thing that I would recommend that Michael and I recommend all the time to everybody.

3:03So I'm sorry if you've heard this before. But when you go to a party, bring the party. Like don't just go to a party as yourself. go to a party, take a disco ball, take a disco hat, you know, take a playlist that you can play to everybody. Go prepared. Bring the party.

3:29Michael Douglas: I know why we get invited to parties. Because we... We macken party. We literally make the party. Yeah. And I'm always aware that there's a responsibility when you get invited somewhere that you do have to bring it. Yes, you've got to bring it. But the same goes that when we host a party Yeah, we want people to bring it There's an expectation that you've got to bring Yeah, you've got to bring it Bring it with you Yeah And expect to be entertained Can you imagine if somebody turned up to our party With a disco ball? I'd be so thrilled You'd be like, yes, thank God You know, somebody's got the memo Yeah, well done And, can I just also say Get dressed up Totally You know, people say, I don't know, what should I wear?

4:10Michael Douglas: Like something fucking amazing Yeah, yeah. It comes as your best... Make an effort. ...the best version of you you could imagine. We went to a brilliant party on Friday night. Oh, my God. It was so good. If you want to know what we were dressed as, go and look at our Instagrams. Did we post it on Making the Cut? It was on stories, but why don't we post it on Making the Cut as opposed... Yeah, we'll post it on Making the Cut. But we went to this Halloween party that we go to every year, the Broadwick... Oh, so good. The Broadwick Hotel. Another recommendation. Which is where we had our wedding dinner.

4:40Wedding lunch.

4:41Michael Douglas: Wedding lunch. but it's a beautiful hotel on Broadwick Street in Soho I mean it's stunning and it's owned by a friend of ours called Noel and on the 7th floor in there there's a bar called Flute and we've probably talked about it before but if you go into London and you fancy like a kind of decadent drink in a great hotel bar where there's great views over the houses, the rooftops of Soho Yeah, it's really, what a spot Flute in the Broadwick Hotel or if you're looking for a sexy weekend, you know, a night away or something. It's not cheap there, but the rooms are stunning. And the hotel itself is just...

5:18It's a real treat.

5:19Michael Douglas: It's my favourite hotel in London by a journey mile. Oh, easily. And the decor. Yeah. I mean, even the loo's look gorgeous. Yeah, you don't want to leave them, do you? No. Stay in the loo for a bit. But it was a brilliant party there, a Halloween party, and you went dressed as just a sexy skeleton room. Sexy skeleton. I called her Ozempic. You know, because I think if you took Ozempic and you drilled it, That's what I'd look like. you'd end up, all your bones are covered in jewels, basically. Yeah, nice. Yeah, yeah. Great. And I went as the baseball furry from the Warriors. It was so good, guys.

6:00Michael Douglas: I was going to briefly talk about the Warriors as a film. Do you fancy watching that at some point? Yes, I definitely want to see it again, because when you told me what you were going to go as, I immediately said, warriors, come out to play. And I don't even remember what was happening in the clip. And then you showed it to me and it all came back to me. Yeah, the bottles. Oh, it's so menacing. Yeah, really. That was such a good character to go as because the outfit was so good on you. It was brilliant. I went on to Vinted to try and find some like plus four baseball trousers with pinstripes on.

6:35Michael Douglas: And I did find some, but whoever I bought them off, obviously I've been on Vinted for years. and he never sent them. Oh. Which is very annoying. But can I, just tell everybody what you did. So I had some white trousers. Mikey. Yeah, yeah. I had some white trousers, like chinos, but they were pure white. And then I just got a black sharpie and a ruler and I just drew on lines and then cut them as plus fours and then bought some black socks. Anyway, I'll show you, I'll post a picture of me making the coat. It's a brilliant outfit. So good. I bought some, just some face paint off Amazon. We'll post it on Making the Cut.

7:06Yeah. Making the Cut podcast on Instagram.

7:09Michael Douglas: It's a bit ramshackled, this podcast, because we produce it ourselves, literally, like, just whenever we've got the time. So it's a bit unprofessional, but that's what I like about it. In a nice way. Yeah. We could involve a fully-pledged production team, but it would add a layer of pressure that we could just do without. And it would take something away from it. I think it might. And then we'd feel like we were presenting. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And they'd go, should we start that again? For fuck's sake, yeah. No. No, no, no, let's go, go, go. Leave that bit in. So sorry, I took you off your beaten track from these lovely clothes.

7:43Okay, so what I want to talk about first is a brand called O Pioneer. And they are two girls. And let me put my glasses on because I want to read their names because they are genius, both of these women. They are called Clara Francis and Tanya Hindmarch. And look, they're so cute.

8:05Michael Douglas: Very cute, yes. Love them. They've always loved fashion and they were making clothes. They were making kind of one-offs for themselves. But every time they wore one of their dresses out or to a party or something, their friends would go, ooh, can you make us one? And then one day they thought, well, why don't we just do this? And you made a really, really good observation about these clothes, which is that they are a grown-up fashion label. But they are the kind of clothes that you love wearing. they're a bit what I would probably call gamine, like little girl kind of cuteness. What does gamine mean?

8:43Michael Douglas: It's a French word. Gamine is like feminine little flower type thing. But I love feeling girly. But at 59... What? 50 what? I was waiting for you to say it. I was like, my God, he hasn't said it yet. I feel like, you know, it's not okay. But then I feel like, well, I'm 59. and I can do whatever the fuck I like. And wear whatever the fuck I like and you just have to deal with it. Deal with it. But this is perfect because it is cute and sexy, but not too overtly sexy. It's sexy because it's cute. It's girly. It's also... This is a collab that they did with Liberty and they've got lots of Liberty print on.

9:32I mean, this is great. This is like a little tunic. Yeah. And it's really, really sweet. You could wear like, you could even wear it with a sports bra in the summer or something. Or a little tiny t-shirt. And I've worn it with a jumper in the winter. But what I love about it is that it's got, or no bra, it's got a skirt, but it's actually short.

9:54Michael Douglas: What are they called? Skorts? Skorts. But this is just a culottes type thing. But the other thing about O Pioneer, and I'll give you their domain name in a minute. But the other thing about them is that they always put big side pockets into their dresses because they know we have to carry shit. And that is just such a win. But this is made out of very, very fine corduroy, which I love. The materials are great. It's really, really good quality. and go to opioneers.co.uk. So their autumn winter collection is so pretty. Look at these dresses, Michael. They slightly remind me of the vampire's wife, Susie Bix's old label.

10:49Quite kind of old fashioned, but like you said, sexy. you want to wear a little booty with it or um they also do amazing look at all these pockets everywhere they do fantastic bows for your hair the patterns and the materials are gorgeous the little jumpers and cardigans are so pretty they've got little bonnets or scarves that you can put around your head i mean i'm obsessed with all of these things that they've got a little bonnet a winter bonnet that is so sweet okay Christmas it's good isn't it yeah and then um the oh the Liberty um O Pioneer collab I'm gonna buy like everything on I mean it could be expensive for you but I just think it is really really nice to find support a new young label um they're small

11:41Michael Douglas: it's it's interesting as well at the moment to get hold of any emerging trends yeah trends used to cycle like every six months there'd be a london fashion week or whatever and and then there would be a series of offshoots from that fashion week that would then give you the fashion of like what are the trends for next year or whatever that just doesn't exist anymore i get so confused as well with like um look so i always think don't follow any fashion no me neither create your own create your own but it's nice to see what you what you realize is that brands and fashion houses and stuff like that actually produce the future yes of fashion in a way yeah the trick is just to keep your eyes peeled isn't it i think um that magazine on all that we talked about last week yes good you know like getting back into magazines again seeing the emerging trends what writers are talking about and then what models are wearing it's very very nice you know what i like about it is it's very conservative yes that's what i mean but sexy uh yeah yeah well there's something sexy about what's underneath.

12:46Michael Douglas: Yes. Because everything's very high on the neck. There's no cleavage anywhere. It's not cleavage at all. And there's something nice about that. I completely agree. It's so funny, isn't it? Use your imagination a bit more. Yes. It's all a bit more saucy as a result. I like that t-shirt as well. I love this t-shirt. But that t-shirt would look great on you. Yeah. Okay. Great. I'll have it. So what's the website? It is opioneers.co.uk. Yeah. Well done. very good yeah very very good um i love this little frill around the collar here as well i'm watching this american civil war documentary at the moment god that's a shift it is but the clothes here very much remind me of those kind of 1800s oh yeah the late 1800s you know the women would wear tight high and you know longish dresses and all that they're all very covered up yes you know what's fascinating about that documentary yeah is um it's the beginning of modern warfare really because there's this obviously war going on in america they've got access to machinery and engineering and stuff so they're producing new weapons all the time as a result of that war and there's a bit in it where where it starts it'll say like it's 1867 blah blah blah and then it tells you like henry ford was born and nicole tesla was born you know stuff like that like people who go on to pioneer just massive changes in you know science and engineering and stuff you realize oh that person was born at that point not knowing that they were going to transform the motor industry or whatever think how many think how many people are born now yeah yeah we're going to go on to do things yeah the world and we don't know it yet yeah that's why it's important to have kids you know there's that kind of funny thing that people say i don't want to bring children into this world the thing that will fix the world is people you You know, the ingenuity of the human spirit.

14:35Michael Douglas: And without the humans to conjure up these ideas, we won't fix it. So having kids is important. If you've had one recently, congratulations and well done. And encourage them to be free thinkers. Yeah, yeah. But what I loved about it was there's a bit in it where it said, on this day, it is exactly 80 years until the D-Day landings. And I was like, oh, wow. Wow, that's so mad. And it was like, oh, the American Civil War is a rehearsal. Yes, for war. For war tactics that at some point we're going to have to, we'll need them. So you kind of think, Christ, is each war basically just getting you prepared more and more for the ultimate war that will bring peace to the world?

15:20Oh God, can I just say something? Thank you for that. Yeah. No, because I thought you were going to say to bring the ultimate war, which will end the world. No, no, no. But you didn't say that.

15:32Michael Douglas: The ultimate war will be the realisation, somewhere in it, that it's better not to do this. Yes. And we would learn that. Please. And then forever in the future, stay out of it. And once you realise you're about to go to war, it's like, okay, this is the point we say no, you know, and we surrender and sacrifice whatever it is that's at stake. Yes. You know, unless it's the freedom of people, of course. But you understand what I mean? Because we've largely... At some point, there has to be... We were talking about this last night, about living together. And it doesn't matter what religion you follow or anything, just live in peace and love each other.

16:10Michael Douglas: Well, interestingly about religions, when you boil them down, they're all aiming at the same thing. They've all got different ideas about how you get there. But the outcome is all the same, which is to live in love and peace, you know. under one idea, which is love, I think. Okay, so... Also, one more thing. I know I'm being very grateful today. You've got gratitude on, have you? I have, but I wanted to also say thank you for watching some deep documentaries that I don't massively do. But I'll tell you what it does do, and this is another recommendation for people. When you go and watch a deep documentary, you talk about it to me, and you talk about it to friends of ours and we all learn something.

16:54And it's like imparting knowledge that you have gleaned from a program or an idea or something that you've got your teeth into. And then you share it with everyone. And that's such a gift that you give to people. And it is so nice to be gifted that, you know, I didn't know anything about the Civil War. I didn't know it was 80 years before the DL. So thank you for doing that and sharing it.

17:18Michael Douglas: I had no idea what it was about, even. Well, what is it about? It was about slavery, largely. Oh, right. The Northern Territories, which were largely governed by Lincoln, I think they were called the Unionists, wanted really to abolish slavery. They realised that it wasn't a good idea, and that if you were going to say, well, all men are equal apart from black men, you know. Yeah, that's not right. They were like, hang on a second. So they had to kind of reconcile that. and largely the southern territories really did not want the abolition of slavery they wanted it to keep it really what was very interesting of course is a lot of black people then joined the northern territories you know in and fought against their own people but their own masters as well a lot of them went back to fight them but there was a sense that you the northern territories were now using black people to fight and the black people were actually fighting for their own freedom in a way, you know, but for white people now.

18:14Michael Douglas: So there's this massive weird contradiction in there, but it was a brutal, brutal war. But I was always amazed just how many people wanted to go and fight in that war. But it's hard to imagine what your life was like if you lived in that time. Yes. There was so little excitement in some ways. The bar was so low for an enjoyable, adventurous activity. if somebody's trying to join the army and fight in a war. Bearing in mind your life was probably farming or doing something really hard. It was quite monotonous and boring. And you got an opportunity to have a uniform, eat three meals a day. Be part of something.

18:54Michael Douglas: Be part of history, you know. You'd think, God, yeah. But it's just amazing that they know they were going to their death, but it didn't matter. It was like, this is the adventure I want to go on, you know. But it's a brilliant documentary called this. Ken Burns. Yeah, Ken Burns, The Civil War. and he went on to make the Vietnam War one, which was, I'll talk about that another time. I think you've recommended that. Yeah, it is just the best documentaries I've ever seen. Where did you see the Civil War one? They're on Prime, Amazon Prime. It's called Ken Burns, The Civil War. It's very good. I didn't know anything about Lincoln.

19:25Michael Douglas: I didn't know anything about the Constitution, really, and all these different amendments. I didn't know that Lincoln was assassinated. I didn't know that either. I've just found that out now. Yeah, he was assassinated in a theatre, watching a show. Really? Yeah, someone walked up behind him and shot him. in the head. It's just like, how did I not know any of this stuff? It's just been brilliant, really. But what I've loved most of all is trying to get into the mind of what I would have been like back then without all of this technology and all of the stuff that we've got, all these cultural experiences that we've had, just wouldn't have existed.

20:00Michael Douglas: And it's mad to think that actually just a hot meal would have been an amazing, brilliant thing. And the idea of falling in love would have been the pinnacle, like the greatest thing that could happen to you, falling in love. And it still is to this day. But we've got all these other kind of distractions, your phone and the cinema and all this other stuff going on. You forget that being in love and falling in love is still the greatest experience of your life. But what it must have meant to somebody then. Yeah, because that person would have been everything. Yeah, God, it's just amazing. You realise they had so many fucking kids.

20:42Michael Douglas: They never stopped shagging. So there was no contraception? Of course, yeah.

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21:55Michael Douglas: I've decided to enter the world of supplements. Yes, which I'm quite pleased about because I take supplements and I've always sort of slightly felt like you're a bit, oh, you take supplements, I don't need to. Yeah, yeah. So I'm quite pleased you've caved. I've never wanted to be reliant on anything other than food. I get that. So I don't want to have to carry pills around with me and stuff like that. But I'm feeling so tired at the moment, you know, I'm shattered really, you know, I think my body feels like it's slightly giving up. and I thought, okay, let's I met this guy called Dan who's got a brilliant brand called Heights that makes a supplement so I had little fish around on the supplements that he was making as you know, we're very good friends with Russell Cain and Lindsay and they do a supplement called Jolt and Russell for his age he does, he looks amazing Russell Cain the comedian and his lovely wife Lindsay, they have this supplements business and they'd sent her these before and I thought, oh, these are interesting, but I didn't particularly want to take a supplement at that point.

22:58Michael Douglas: But anyway, I rang her last week and I was like, okay, I'm ready. I'm ready for jolt. So she sent me some. And now the main ingredient they've got in here is the MNM. Yes, so just to tell everybody that I take NMN every day. Magnesium, NMN. Yeah. Creatine, collagen.

23:23and a B-Vit.

23:25Michael Douglas: A B-Vit, yeah. Oh, and omega-3s. Yeah, and creatine. I just said that. You said that, yeah, yeah. And you put creatine in my coffee every morning. So I do take creatine every day. And that has made a big difference to you. So the MNN thing was the thing I was most interested in because that seems to be the anti-aging thing and possibly age reversal thing. And one thing I've noticed about my face is it's so old and craggy these days. I look at myself, I don't even recognise myself. I think you're gorgeous, by the way. Thank you, yeah, well, that's all I really need to know. And I know Russell was big into NMN and a few other things, and he'd been slightly biohacking his own body for a while.

24:02Michael Douglas: Yeah, for years. So he'd worked out this strategy and put it all into one particular supplement. Now, what I would say is that we're big lovers of Ancient and Brave. You've got a relationship with Ancient and Brave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We take their creatine, you take their collagen. and their magnesium. And to be honest, if they did an NMN, I'd probably take theirs, because we're such good friends with Kate, who runs it and everything. But can I just say thanks to Lindsay for sending Jolt. I'm going to do three months on Jolt. Yeah. And give you my... Yeah, let me know. Well, you should be able to see it.

24:39I think also you should document how you feel. Yeah, yeah. I think you will feel it.

24:43Michael Douglas: Yeah. So I think they take three a day. So I'm going to take them in a minute. I think we're big of it, let's have a little look they're quite big capsules but there is everything apparently you need in there and they also put in things that are good for to help activate the NMN yes and there's lots of other things to support the growth of natural collagen and stuff like that in there as well so I'm really pleased I just want to say thanks Lindsay so much I sent her some hair tools and some products as well in return So these are a gift, but are gifted in return, you know, so there's a little exchange going on.

25:21Michael Douglas: So I'm expecting to see lovely hairstyles on Lindsay and you will see a lovely face and physique on me. Probably not quite as good as Russell's, but... You've got a lovely face. Yeah, great. It's gorgeous. Anyway, I'm really, I've decided to surrender myself to the supplement world. And the next step might be a testosterone test. Yeah. I've got one here. We'll talk about this another time. But I've got the VOI. This is the Jeff Foster one. Yes. So at some point, I'll do a blood test and find out whether I'm low in testosterone. I'm right on the gap. I'm 15 testosterone. And what's it? That's the lowest.

26:03Michael Douglas: Under 15, you can have TRT. I don't want to take it unless I need it. Yeah, well, I mean, I'm always saying that to everybody about hormones. Don't take them unless you need them. Yeah. so I'm just going to do that test as and when I need to yes but so Jolt I think it's called joltmyworld.com or it might be .co.uk so you can go and check that out you can do a little subscription to that but we'll see if they'll come to one of the live shows actually we invited Russell and Lynn to one of the live shows yes that's a great idea and he can talk about it or they can talk about it together but it'd be nice to see them and people could get to meet them as well can we also please just say how hilarious he is yeah he's he's literally one of the greatest comedians Britain has ever produced I mean, he makes me laugh so much.

26:45Michael Douglas: Yeah, he's a brilliant, brilliant guy. And the two of them together, best couple ever. No, I'm looking at serious shoes. Can I just... Let's see, those shoes and this. Yes, right. So I am looking at, at the moment, I'm looking at Jesse Weston. Now, Jesse Weston is a shop that I have walked past for years on Portobello Road. Oh, is that where it is? It is on the top of Portobello Road where it crosses. I think it's Westbourne Park Road. And it is on the right side as you're going down Portobello Road. And Jessie Weston is owned by a woman called Jessie. And she is just the queen cowgirl. But they have extraordinary clothes.

27:35They have Native American Indian inspired jackets, coats. and the boots are not cheap but they are absolutely bonafide proper western cowboy boots that are so and they're one-offs you know when you go in there I mean can we please just talk about these

27:58Michael Douglas: wow they're like psychedelia they're like psychedelia like they are I mean you know I don't know if you can even see that but they are they've got leopard print in they've got a Cuban heel they've got a proper kind of and i'm half french so i've spent my whole life in my world cowboy boots never go out of fashion they don't come in and out of fashion they are always in fashion i love a little ankle cowboy boot you can see now i'm wearing cowboy boots i mean it's just part of my but look look at these beaded moccasins oh my god look so cute but i'm just going to show Yes, absolutely gorgeous. I want to quickly show you the jackets that she does.

28:43So look, you've got cowgirl jackets, but like a slightly Brandon Flowers-esque.

28:49Michael Douglas: I'd have that. Yes, I mean, all of it. Can we go to the shop? Yes, yes. Look at all of them. Look at this gorgeous. I mean... So you were wearing a jacket this week with tassels on it. Tassels, yeah. What was that? That was from a shop in America that I went to in Flo Rida. but this I went I know right but look at the trousers the American Civil War it's yes Jesse Weston brand military jacket but she's I mean it's breathtaking it's breathtaking um the website might be easier to navigate and have a quick look at before you go into the shop because the shop is quite overwhelming you need to kind of know what you're after before you go into the shop but the shop also has and I quickly want to show you the jewelry and um that they've got Native American Indian um jewelry which is absolutely stunning um right look at the Indian portrait um then we've also got the jewelry they've got things like little beaded um bits of jewelry that are so lovely, like the bangle.

29:58But I love, there's a purse there that you can kind of hang around your neck. Great for festivals.

30:04Michael Douglas: It's like an arrow pointing at the vagina. Yes. You remember when I was talking about Lady Garden and their motif, their motto. You know, there's just, it's just full of unbelievable. And the purses, the beaded purses are like 35, 40 quid. Okay. But they're quite good for Christmas purses, stockings. Sorry, let me just put that in my notes. Jessie Weston. Jessie Weston. Have I got a Davina Christmas list going on here? I would be very happy with anything from Jessie. Look at the belts. I didn't remind. Look at the tortoiseshell. And she, she, we had a big chat. She's absolutely brilliant. I absolutely adore her.

30:47Look at ponchos.

30:48Michael Douglas: Jessie Weston. Yep. Ooh, I love a poncho. Aren't they great? Yeah. it's just like it's amazing coats very good look wow yeah so this is jesse weston is it what jesseweston.com it's jesseweston j-e-s-s-i-e weston nice dot com so good in next week's episode we'll start Christmas present ideas yeah and I think we're also going to do a bit of giveaway in December for people yes remember we put Our favourite brands and stuff like that. We ask them if they'll donate some tickets and stuff like that to things or get a free gift or whatever that we can give away to our listeners. So follow us and all that on the Instagrams.

31:35Can I quickly say one thing? I'd just like to say farewell to Megan B.

31:40Michael Douglas: Oh, yeah. Megan B, we first recommended them on Making the Cut years ago and sadly they've had to close their business. But we just want to say thank you for all the bags and all the belts and all the joy you gave us. I think I probably bought Megan B bags in every single colour and size. And just thank you. Well done. It was a great business. We love you. And good luck with your next venture. Love you so much. Yeah, great. It was great to see you at Dine with Davina. And well done. It's very hard closing a business. So I'm going to say congratulations on that. Because to let it go is a painful thing.

32:18Michael Douglas: But sometimes it's just what you've got to do. So well done. Yeah. Just having a look if we have any shout-outs or anything. But we're a bit short on shout-outs at the moment. Tell people where they can go. So just go to the Instagram, Making the Cut podcast, and then send us a DM, and we will start shouting them out and see if they've got anything going on in here. Happy belated birthday to Davina. Thank you. That's going back a week or two, isn't it? Yeah. And then the text of stories that we've done. Do you know what Michael's doing? he's taking me to Paris to go and see Damien Rice oh yeah it was five years ago now was it?

32:59Michael Douglas: yes five years ago oh my god that's really blown my mind what? yeah it will be next year oh my god so yeah you've never really been into that kind of music really I've always loved Damien Rice such a brilliant artist I don't know what's happened to me I think it's since brain surgery, I can hear lyrics. Yeah, and his lyrics are so special. So Michael sang to me on my birthday. We sing to each other. And he sang me a song. And in this song, during this song, I was going, what is this song? The lyrics are amazing. Oh, my God, who is this? And he said, wait, wait, wait. And then I was going, wow, the lyrics, this is so good.

33:42And then he sat down at the end of it. And he went, come sit here. And I sat down. And then he went, I'm taking you to Paris to see this person, Damien Rice. And I went, what? That's Damien Rice? Oh, my God. So I'm so excited. And then we did a deep dive into Damien Rice's music.

33:59Michael Douglas: Yeah, so I'm going to read you some of the lyrics. I think it's not come up on... Oh, yeah, here we go. I'm going to read you some of these lyrics here. Oh, yeah, go on, read me. I sang you this song. It's called It Takes a Lot to Know a Man. And it goes, it takes a lot to know a man. It takes a lot to understand the warrior, the sage, the little boy enraged. And it says it takes a lot to know a woman, a lot to understand what's humming, the honeybee, the sting, the little girl with wings. It takes a lot to give. It takes a lot to ask for help. It takes a lot to be yourself, to know and love what you live with.

34:36Michael Douglas: It takes a lot to breathe. It takes a lot to touch, to feel the slow reveal of what another body needs. Wow. I know, they're just so good. I mean... When it goes, it takes a lot to know a man, a lot to know and understand, the father and the son, the hunter and the gun. Yes! It takes a lot to know a woman, a lot to comprehend what's coming, the mother and the child, the muse and the beguiled. Wow, that's so good! He's so good at understanding the complexities between men and women, you know. But also, the rhythm of the song and the words that he rhymes and... And it's a nine-minute song, but that bit of the song only lasts about four minutes.

35:16Michael Douglas: There's a huge, beautiful orchestral violins and cellos and everything. And it's just like... I'd love you to sing that to me again later. Oh, we'll do it tonight. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be brilliant. Okay, I think we've probably done enough. We're going for lunch now at a friend's house for a big roast. Yay! Which I'm really looking forward to. Me too. We very rarely go anywhere for somebody else to cook. We are always cooking. Yeah. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. big shout out to the lovely Harriet who is running all this show for us now thank you Harriet and do not forget tickets are on sale to come and see us on the 30th of November and the 7th of December and you can get tickets you can buy tickets in the link in my bio on my Instagram page and on Making the Cup podcast bio as well it'd be fabulous to see you so if you're thinking about coming to London for doing some Christmas shopping or whatever you can find it all in it's a beautiful theatre we're in and it should be a really good fun night and we'll invite a few friends of ours you might sing I might sing I think someone said I was DJing so I could either DJ and sing or try and do a bit I'll try and put together a little 20 minute set and it might be a mixture of stuff and we can do it at the end and dance yeah we'll have a bit of a dance great lots of love everybody love you bye You