SERIES 18: Episode 4 - Rafa, London Falling, Glen Hansard, I'm Every Woman

0:11Davina McCall: I'm going to talk to you about this podcast.

0:30Davina McCall: late last night.

0:31Michael Douglas: I have done five days work in the last two days. No joke. I am absolutely broken. So, you know, forgive us if we're a little bit weary in this episode, ladies and gentlemen.

0:44Davina McCall: But it doesn't mean we love you any less. No, no, no, not at all. We love you a lot.

0:47Michael Douglas: We're committed.

0:48Davina McCall: Committed.

0:48Michael Douglas: Now we put a delivery order in.

0:50Davina McCall: Aye, we have.

0:51Michael Douglas: Aye. She's from Yorkshire all of a sudden, aye. But four. We've got a four coming.

0:58Davina McCall: Aye.

1:01Michael Douglas: So, what time do you think that might turn up, does it say?

1:03Davina McCall: Between 7.20 and 7.40. Oh, great.

1:06Michael Douglas: So we could crack this out, have a Vietnamese ramen, and get in bed to watch episode three of Rafa.

1:13Davina McCall: Yes. I'm not going to fall asleep this time.

1:15Michael Douglas: Oh, you slightly missed the end of the episode. I did. So let's start with this. It's hard to find time to watch telly at the moment, so I'm very precise about what I watch, because I only want to watch something good. I don't want to waste my time, you know. Now, I'm not a tennis fan, but we were very kindly invited to the Royal Box to watch the tennis this year.

1:35Davina McCall: Yes, God, it was amazing. What, I mean, what an honour.

1:40Michael Douglas: Wasn't it just this?

1:42Davina McCall: Unbelievable seeing the players come in, walk in. Unbelievable being in the presence of Princess Catherine, who is a beautiful soul.

1:51Michael Douglas: Wow.

1:52Davina McCall: Unbelievable being, you were sat next to Jodie Foster and I was sat next to Hannah Waddingham. I mean, what a sandwich.

1:59Michael Douglas: It was so funny. I did think, oh, they've sat me next to Jodie Foster because they think I'm Michael Douglas, you know.

2:05Davina McCall: No, I think they were us. I think we were just... I honestly... I mean, that is a good joke.

2:11Michael Douglas: It is a good joke, yeah.

2:11Davina McCall: But I don't think that's true. I think we were meant to be there. I think it was very exciting. Brilliant. Not only that, what was your favourite movie that you showed at your birthday? First one ever.

2:22Michael Douglas: American Beauty.

2:23Davina McCall: And who was sat next to Jodie and her wife?

2:25Michael Douglas: Sam Mendes.

2:26Davina McCall: Right?

2:27Michael Douglas: I know. And I got to tell him, I was like, when was the last time you see American Beauty? And he hadn't seen it for 20 years. He was like, does it still stack up? And I was like, it is a brilliant film, Sam. Utterly brilliant. He did go on to say, you know, the writing was absolutely sensational. Because there's a scene at the end of American Beauty where he kind of rises up. I'm not going to do any spoilers here. But he rises up and he floats over his street where he lives. and he does a little monologue, like a narrated monologue of this experience. And I break down in tears every time I listen to that.

3:05Michael Douglas: And I told him how stunning that piece at the end is. And he said, the writing is incredible. You're in the service of the writing, is what he said. And I thought, God, yeah, I've learnt a lot just this weekend. But I realised that that's the job of the director, is to be in service of the writing. And bring that to life. Not put yourself in the way of it. Remove yourself from it. Bring the words to life.

3:33Davina McCall: He's very good, Sam.

3:34Michael Douglas: He's great. I'd forgotten that he'd done 1917 as well. I wish I'd talked to him about that. That's the World War I movie that's shot in one take.

3:42Davina McCall: You'll have to invite him to your next birthday.

3:45Michael Douglas: I know what I'm going to play at my next birthday.

3:47Davina McCall: Yes. Is it what I think it is? Yeah, I think so. It's the film of our life.

3:54Michael Douglas: It is a little bit, yeah, I know. It seems a bit obvious to play it, but it seems like it would be a shame not to play it. Sorry, we were talking about tennis, that was right. So being at Ladies' Wimbledon Finals really kind of got me hooked back into tennis. And we've played tennis a little bit, haven't we?

4:11Davina McCall: We're joining, I don't know whether you... I know this or not. But we are joining our local tennis club.

4:17Michael Douglas: OK, did you hear that, ladies and gentlemen? I'm being coerced and manipulated into doing things. Yes, yes, yeah. So I'm very happy about that. I did enjoy playing tennis that summer. We played with some friends. It was brilliant.

4:27Davina McCall: And we were surprisingly good.

4:30Michael Douglas: Yeah, we were, weren't we? I don't know.

4:32Davina McCall: You know, I surprised myself.

4:34Michael Douglas: We got a rally going. The fitness of it. You know, the twisting, the turning, the pushing, the shoving, you know, all that kind of stuff. I really enjoyed it. But I hadn't really thought about tennis, you know, at the very elite edges, the fringes of it.

4:49Davina McCall: I mean, when you watch their feet.

4:50Michael Douglas: Yeah.

4:51Davina McCall: On the clay or the grass.

4:52Michael Douglas: Yeah. But watching Rafa, I've always liked Rafa. He always looked like a kind of cartoon character, very cute.

4:59Davina McCall: And so young.

5:00Michael Douglas: He's got a little boyish look about him. Yeah. But I knew about him and there was Djokovic and who's the other guy?

5:08Davina McCall: Oh, Federer. Federer was the guy that he beat famously. There was an outcry. It was unbelievable he did that.

5:17Michael Douglas: And I didn't realise Rafa had mainly specialised in clay. Federer was on grass and of course Wimbledon is this kind of epicenter of grass tennis you know but anyway we're only into episode two of Rafa but um he's so impressive even if it's not a sport that you're interested in the philosophy on success you can apply to anything yeah raising a family running a business your job trying to fix your car you know whatever it is you're doing you can apply this idea to it and his coach Tony you know there's a god-like spiritual relationship they've got between them

5:55Davina McCall: it's very pure

5:57Michael Douglas: and it's a brilliant way they interview them both separately and then they both tell each other what was going on in their minds and you realise what's going on there's this kind of harmonious synergy that brings about a world-beating moment you know it's just absolutely brilliant so i'm really gonna say something yeah i love how you

6:21Davina McCall: talk yeah good thank you you just use words so brilliantly oh well great thanks because i was

6:29Michael Douglas: a teacher for a long time i think and then i obviously was on the telly and all that kind of

6:33Davina McCall: stuff um excuse me i've been on the telly for more than 30 years and i i don't have that um

6:42Michael Douglas: What you have. Okay, but that's where I got it from. I think it's you. Yeah, well, maybe I encouraged it in a particular way or something like that. But I've really enjoyed using language to help me really understand. Do you know the thing I have known, and this might be interesting for people, we listen to a song a lot, the Ram Dass, Sit Around the Fire song. We listen to it three or four times a week, I would say. And it's a nice little check-in with ourselves because you just get an opportunity to go, am I okay? Do I feel okay? Am I doing a good job? You know, so on and so forth. But what I've realised, the words in those songs, that song in particular, have changed.

7:23Michael Douglas: The words haven't changed.

7:24Davina McCall: The meaning within the words have changed. They change every time for me.

7:28Michael Douglas: I have added more and more information to the words. The word now has got bigger and bigger and bigger. So when he says something, it now means something so much more profound. But it's not just done it to that song. It's done it to every song I now listen to. So those words have got richer in meaning and languages start to blow my brains out.

7:50Davina McCall: I think that the Ram Dass meditations for me means something slightly different every time because I hear something slightly different every time because I'm in a different place emotionally. So I'll pick something out and go, as if I've never heard it before. Yeah, yeah. But it's because it's talking to me specifically that day.

8:07Michael Douglas: In a different way. Yeah, and it could be one word. That is like, yeah, it's really interesting. I feel like my brain has been unlocked recently and it's starting to stretch outwards. It's so peculiar. It's funny that it's happening at 53. What?

8:26Davina McCall: Yeah, 53.

8:28Michael Douglas: It'll look about 63 at the moment. One thing I'm slightly worried about is I feel like I've said these words before and I might have said them in last week's podcast. I just can't remember. So I apologise if I'm repeating myself. Yeah, anyway, Rafa, Netflix.

8:43Davina McCall: Yes.

8:43Michael Douglas: Don't hesitate.

8:45Davina McCall: Chimais.

8:45Michael Douglas: Go all in.

8:46Davina McCall: I want to talk, first of all, about a book. And it's called London Falling. And what's happened is about three people recommend it. You know one of those books?

8:58Michael Douglas: I have seen this on more Instagram stories than I know what to do with.

9:01Davina McCall: So everybody started recommending it to me. And I was thinking, OK, now I've got to read it. and what's really funny is if anybody sees it in my hand anywhere this reminds me a little bit of when I was quite proud to walk around with 50 shades of grey because every time I walked around with it nobody knew what it was and then suddenly everybody knew what it was all the women in particular would look at me and wink it was like joining a special club

9:29Michael Douglas: wink

9:29Davina McCall: this book

9:31Michael Douglas: yeah okay

9:32Davina McCall: can I just say something thank you Kevin O 'Neill

9:35Michael Douglas: oh because you can now wink

9:36Davina McCall: I couldn't wink before I had my brain tumour removed.

9:39Michael Douglas: Yeah, well, I said when he was in your brain, I said, could you switch on the wink? Yeah, and he did. Yeah, well... There's a joke in there somewhere, but I'm too scared to say it.

9:49Davina McCall: So, Patrick Radden Keefe is the author. And he's a staff writer at The New Yorker, so imagine that. Oh, is he? He has written this multi-million pound bestseller.

10:03Michael Douglas: Well done him.

10:03Davina McCall: Well done him. And it is a true story of a young man who has, there's no secret in that it is the story of the death of a teenager, but it's 2019 and Zach Brettler falls to his death from a luxury apartment on the banks of the Thames. And the parents are desperate to try and understand how that happened. And he'd been leading a fantasy life. I'm not going to say any more than that. But it is about London in the early 2020s, 2019, 2018, 2017, when London was radically changing. Loads of kind of... Russia had changed. The Iron Curtain had come down. Capitalism was rife over there. All the industries were privatising.

10:57Davina McCall: People were making a lot of money and coming over here and investing. And it was a great time for London. but also he just got in with a wrong and dark crowd. And it's all true. What I love about it is that the whole book is a true story. It's all written with kind of snippets of recorded conversations or bits of Instagram, Twitter. Like, it's all real.

11:24Michael Douglas: Wow.

11:24Davina McCall: Yeah, it is absolutely gripping. I'm up to about here.

11:30Michael Douglas: but I am like devouring it

11:33Davina McCall: and I don't read much to be honest you've seen me we're so exhausted at the end of the night that we don't read much but London Falling by Patrick Radden Keefe read it, it's amazing

11:45Michael Douglas: I could do with an outlet to be honest personally, I am so bogged down in my own life I need a pressure valve yes, yes, yes so a book might be good

12:00Davina McCall: I'll give you this. I'm going to be finished by the end of the weekend.

12:03Michael Douglas: You reckon? Yep. We'll see about that. Very good. We talked recently about a movie called Power Ballad.

12:12Davina McCall: Yes.

12:13Michael Douglas: And it had been directed by a particular guy. And this particular guy had also directed Once, which was a fantastic musical film about an Irish guy and a Romanian singer. And we recommended it, I think, on last week's podcast. Yeah, we did. Or maybe the one before. that you all watch it. And it starred a guy called Glenn Hansard. And very tragically and peculiarly, he died in a motorbike accident the day after we recorded that podcast. It slightly freaked me out a little bit, actually. Because I'd decided I would listen to some of Glenn Hansard's music. And then Andy came in, he said, you never guess what, Glenn Hansard's died in a motorbike accident last night.

12:53Davina McCall: And of all the times in your life to listen to his music, you chose then. And yes, it's very, very sad and strange.

13:00Michael Douglas: I started to listen to a bit more of his music and realised just how, what a brilliant singer and a songwriter he was. He's got all covered in goosebumps at the moment. Some of you might know this because you may have read it in the newspapers and it might have been on the TV and stuff like that, but there was a beautiful funeral that they had for him and Bono sang, but he didn't sing, he read the words to Beautiful Day. They're funny U2 songs, you know, They're these great big, amphemic power ballads, but actually if you dig into them, they're actually kind of religious hymns, you know, in many ways, when you actually read the words.

13:34Michael Douglas: They're incredibly deep and very, very spiritual. And Beautiful Day is a lovely song to read at his funeral. And you'll be able to find this on YouTube. They've broadcast it here, there and everywhere. And then Eddie Vedder, the lead singer of Pearl Jam, was a very good friend of Glenn Hansard. And they wrote a record together and toured together and did all sorts of stuff. There's lovely footage of them enjoying themselves on stage. But I heard Eddie Vedder and the Russian, sorry, the Romanian lady who's in once, can't remember her name, so I'm sorry about that. Eddie Vedder was singing this song with her, and it's called A Song of Good Hope.

14:09Michael Douglas: And I was like, God, this song is so beautiful. I wonder what it is, you know. So I went through the comments and someone said, it's A Song of Good Hope by Glenn Hansard. And I thought, oh, my God, you know. Me and you had come up with an idea for a business a couple of years ago called The Cape of Good Hope. which is actually a beach towel cape that you wrap around your neck. So you can wear it like a cape, but it is a beach towel. And on the cape, we would have these great, big, powerful slogans of love and positivity and beauty and stuff like that. And that's what I would call the Cape of Good Hope.

14:42Michael Douglas: And we actually bought the website and all the trademarks and everything. So there's a business waiting to come out of us there. It just seems so peculiar that this was called...

14:50Davina McCall: It is all very strange, the connections. A Song of Good Hope.

14:53Michael Douglas: and I was like, I need to listen to the song. So my recommendation for this week is to listen to this song. Now, I'm not going to play it for you particularly, but I'm just going to read some of the words in the song so you can just get a feeling for what it is. And it's so beautiful, but it's so peculiar and profound, as you know now he's passed away. But it says, we're going to make it across this river alive. You need to think like a boat and go with the tide. I know where you've been has really left you in doubt of ever finding a harbour or figuring this out and you're going to need all the help you can get so lift up your arms now and reach for it and reach for it I'm not going to read any more but it's such a bloody lovely song absolutely smashed me to bits so I'm listening to it on the way to work just to kind of get the emotion out of me and then I'm listening to it on the way home just to get the emotion out of me as well so I don't carry it around with me all day and it's not the emotion about his death particularly it's just I am just always filled with emotion sometimes it's got to come out but I'm really sad that Glenn Hanson has passed away and I think in tribute to him and honour if you'd like to watch the film once and spend some time listening to his music you will not be disappointed it is fantastic and I can only assume I can only assume that Glenn decided for whatever reason not to become a big star and just remain a singer and a songwriter you know and a partner and a husband maybe and all these other things rather than become mega famous because he could he's been massive so God bless his family I think he had a three year old child and a wife you know and yeah, I just wanted to say thanks for the music and all the love.

16:53Michael Douglas: But give it a listen, you'll love it.

16:56Davina McCall: What a really wonderful tribute. Good, thank you. That's so beautiful.

17:01Michael Douglas: Thanks.

17:06Davina McCall: I've got a much less emotional but equally unbelievably brilliant tribute of my own to make. So tomorrow I'm interviewing Alexandra Burke. Yeah. And I thought I really wanted to go and see the musical that she's in. And it's only on for 10 weeks. And then it might tour the country and it might go to the West End, but it might not. And I went to go and see I'm Every Woman, which is the story of Shaka Khan's life. And it is so incredible for so many different reasons. So to start off, Alexandra Burke is absolutely knockout. She has such power and preciseness and feeling in her voice that she can move you to tears, make you laugh, just in the way she executes her lyrics.

18:13Davina McCall: Like, it's just amazing. but also she had to play shaka khan as a little girl at school oh wow and then shaka khan when prince died like she went all the way through shaka khan's life it's quite a thing to do that the way that you carry yourself the way that you dress your your emotional maturity and what was really funny was that um alexandra and um her friends at school in the outfits that they were wearing were wearing the kind of stuff that i would wear now yeah they were wearing frilly socks and and loafers and i was like oh there we go and a little short dress i was like that would look great on me thank you very much the other thing that was absolutely incredible was you'll never guess where it was at Fountain Studios

19:04Michael Douglas: No way was it? Yes in Wembley

19:07Davina McCall: Now you'll never guess who won X Factor

19:11Michael Douglas: Alexandra Burke at Fountain Studios Yes With Simon Cowell Yes I remember I used to go there

19:17Davina McCall: I mean how amazing Wow

19:19Michael Douglas: God what a profound experience For her Yeah

19:23Davina McCall: So they have pimped the whole of Fountain Studios for this performance So they have decorated the entire building with things that would kind of suit that performance. So the whole hallway where you're waiting to go in is filled with massive glitter balls. And there's the bar. There's thousands of loos, unlike in most theatres, where there's never enough loos to go to. it's got an amazing in-out system in the bathroom so nobody's really queuing for that long and the seats every single seat has an unbelievable view the acoustics in the theatre are absolutely knockout it was completely brilliant in that respect it's only 10 weeks like I say so if you're going to get tickets you've got to get there very quickly but the studio is completely incredible the cast is absolutely extraordinary so there is a thing and i'm not going to tell you what it is but there is um something special about alexander about shaka khan yeah um that that the people that we were with only realized towards the end of the show and um me and connie realized it sort of just after half time i'll tell you after we finish recording but it's it It will blow everybody's mind.

20:54Davina McCall: Everything makes sense. But also, I didn't know that Shaka Khan was a terrible drug addict.

20:59Michael Douglas: OK.

21:00Davina McCall: I didn't know that her dad was... No, her mum was an addict as well, I think. And then also that... I didn't know that Prince wrote...

21:14Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, I feel for you. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. How could I not have known that? He'd sing it often on his own.

21:20Davina McCall: The guy that played Prince was so exceptional. Oh, was he?

21:25Michael Douglas: I'd love to play Prince. Oh, my God, he was so good.

21:28Davina McCall: And it was funny, but just the right side of funny. Like, funny and respectful.

21:34Michael Douglas: Yeah, OK.

21:35Davina McCall: But Shaka Khan had been to the show the night before to watch it. Really?

21:38Michael Douglas: I was going to say she's around.

21:39Davina McCall: And Alexandra Burke goes through such an emotional journey whilst playing this part that she has to wear different perfume. She says when she comes off stage, she has to get the perfume off and put on her own perfume because she was taking Shaka home. Yeah, yeah. And Shaka goes through the most horrific things in her life.

21:59Michael Douglas: Wow.

21:59Davina McCall: She's abused. She's beaten up. She has terrible choice in men. She gets taken advantage of. But then she just has this incredible voice and spirit. and really, you know, she was, and it's amazing how she becomes Shaka Khan, Black Panthers. Oh, is she part of the Black Panthers and all that? Brilliant, brilliant. And it's a brilliant, brilliant insight into history, into racism. It's just, you've got to watch it.

22:35Michael Douglas: Okay, well, fantastic.

22:37Davina McCall: I want to take you. Yeah, great, I'd love to go and see it. I would go again.

22:40Michael Douglas: I would have come last night. I was so shattered and there was so much going on. I see you.

22:45Davina McCall: you are working very very very hard

22:47Michael Douglas: but it just made me think a little bit about the profound effect that Simon Cowell has had on the lives of many many people yeah look at Harry Styles for God's sake One Direction

23:02Davina McCall: in its entirety they've all done so well except for let God bless Liam Payne God bless Liam Payne

23:11Michael Douglas: something happened to his life obviously took it on a particular trajectory and then obviously made some decisions that ended up ended up there but i was just thinking about simon cowell and you just see him as like a tv villain in some way or just some guy yeah yeah but just some guy making a tv program but the profound effect that harry styles has had in people's lives alexandra burke's had on people's like the owner lewis and people like that and it's just like wow you know god it must be quite a peculiar existence for Simon Scowl to realise that... Simon Scowl. Scowl.

23:45Davina McCall: And I also just wanted to say at the end of the show they sing three songs and everybody stands up and dances. Ah, yeah, great. And it's not a play, it's just a disco.

23:55Michael Douglas: Ah, yeah, OK. It's really good. But I remember her at the time and hearing the power in her voice. We were away this weekend and we heard... We saw this kind of performance art thing, poetry and performance and stuff, and this woman came out and sang at one point and the control that she had over her voice. And it wasn't power. It wasn't a big voice. It was just so beautiful. Now, I love singing. I know you do too, actually. We always sing to each other. It's a great way to see how free you are feeling or how constricted you are by work and stress and stuff like that. But when she opened her mouth and sang, I was just like, oh, wow, that's freedom inside you.

24:37Davina McCall: That's what I kept thinking last night about Alexandra. and there's smoke machines and stuff going on and I was wondering how much that would impact your voice and how you would do that night after night after night and how even when she sang so softly, it had such power. It was not counting. Brilliant, thanks for that.

24:56Michael Douglas: Sounds bloody great. Good luck tomorrow with interviewing her. One of my recommendations is your Brian Cox interview.

25:02Davina McCall: Thank you.

25:03Michael Douglas: Well done.

25:04Davina McCall: Can I say something really lovely? His wife liked it.

25:08Michael Douglas: Oh, did she?

25:08Davina McCall: Yeah, she said that she felt like it was one of his best interviews. Oh, great. And the idea that I could make him feel comfortable enough that his wife really appreciated what he'd done. I was so happy about that.

25:22Michael Douglas: He said something in the interview about a revolution that's taking place at the moment. And I'd been feeling this, but I'd been a bit nervous to talk about it or anything. Sometimes people think you're mad, you know. But he's absolutely right. There is a revolution taking place at the moment on a scale way larger than the Industrial Revolution. And the world is transforming at the moment. And people, loads of people are talking about consciousness, talking about quantum mechanics and talking about paradoxes and manifesting and all the rest of it. That's what it is. It's like a, it's actually like a spiritual revolution that's taking place at the moment.

26:00Michael Douglas: People are becoming liberated. and we talked about this before about AI and how it's going to liberate people and that is what is happening. People are choosing it and the reason I want to talk about it just briefly now is just to put it out there to say to people my recommendation is to open yourself up and start to notice what is going on around. There is a lot more love available at the moment out there.

26:26Davina McCall: Yes.

26:27Michael Douglas: People are being very nice and very friendly and there's a lot more smiley people. Start smiling, everybody. Just try it. Wander around. Smile a little bit more. See what happens.

26:39Davina McCall: I couldn't agree with you. It is, and I think, you know what it was, I told you about when I went to have the massage the other day.

26:46Michael Douglas: Yeah, yes.

26:47Davina McCall: And the masseuse was talking. She doesn't know who I am. She didn't know that I was me. And we ended up talking about a new consciousness and people being kinder to each other. It was so weird.

27:00Michael Douglas: So there's a little bit of fear going on at the moment. And the danger is that fear causes kind of anger and aggression, you know. But actually, the way to combat fear is with love. That's the antidote to it. And there seems to be something happening to the brains of human beings. I mean, I might be jumping off a ship here a little bit. So go with me, ladies and gentlemen. But all this like ADHD, Asperger's and all this kind of mental problems that young kids are having, I actually think it's a preparation of a new type of brain that's evolving into human beings to start to think about the world in a different way.

27:39Michael Douglas: Yeah, so it's not a problem. It's not a problem.

27:41Davina McCall: It's an adaptation. It's a solution. And it's a life way of living.

27:47Michael Douglas: Yeah, because the old system, the old school system, it's Victorian essentially. no wonder the kids are struggling with it you know because you sit down look at this thing write this thing down it's like they want to get up and experience life you know so i think um there's big big changes on the horizon and they're good they're good for everyone as long as we decide they're good uh it's quite interesting because i think i've probably got low level adhd and you

28:18Davina McCall: might have a bit. Oh yeah, there's no question about that. And it's not a bad thing. It's helped us. What caused? You know, immeasurably. Good stuff. Yeah.

28:29Michael Douglas: Okay, so just before we wrap up, I had this brilliant woman come to the studio this week. She was called Melanie. She was a 68-year-old woman from Yorkshire and we found her on the Instagrams because we were doing this kind of community content thing where people can pitch in.

28:42Davina McCall: I love this, Michael.

28:43Michael Douglas: We had like 3 ,000 people pitching. I love this. To come and get their hair done. Basically, it's free. We just want to make some content, meet our customers, have a lovely time. Anyway, she turned up. She was so full of beans. Melanie, I don't know if you're listening to this or not, but thank you so much for coming and generating that content with us today. It was bloody lovely. I chopped her hair off into a lovely bob.

29:03Davina McCall: How long was it?

29:04Michael Douglas: It was pretty long. Was it? And it was quite thin and straggly, you know. Yes. And I was like, okay, let's bosh this off and give her a little kind of shoulder-length bob like this.

29:12Davina McCall: Did she like it? She loved it. Did she?

29:13Michael Douglas: We got rid of a side party and put it in a middle party and little sweepy bangs and all that stuff. Wow. she does look great honestly we did stop laughing all morning she's such good energy about her you know and it's so nice to see older people so happy yeah because it gives you hope yes you are heading there

29:29Davina McCall: yeah yeah yeah not you but we yeah I'm there

29:31Michael Douglas: yeah yeah and I'm like okay this is what 68 looks like looks like a bloody good laugh to me yeah you know so brilliant but she brought us a load of goodies and one of the things she brought I mean look at that so she brought it's called Yorkshire Heather Honey that is for you yeah of course She is the queen of honey, this girl.

29:51Davina McCall: I love Heather as well.

29:54Michael Douglas: Oh, is it like Heather the plant? I thought it was a girl called Heather who'd made it.

29:59Davina McCall: Oh, wow.

30:00Michael Douglas: Is it nice?

30:02Davina McCall: Taste the Heather.

30:04Michael Douglas: Oh, my God, you can taste the Heather.

30:06Davina McCall: Yeah.

30:07Michael Douglas: Yes, okay. Wow, that's amazing. She's also got you some orange marmalade here.

30:12Davina McCall: Oh, I love marmalade.

30:14Michael Douglas: But there's a little caveat here. This is from a company called Nichols Pickles and Preserves. Howden, East Yorkshire. Oh, there's the food. There's the food. Listen, everybody, I love you. Oh, pause it. Oh, no, I'll wrap it up. Don't worry, I'll wrap it up. Yeah, that's all right. I love you too. Nichols and its orange triple sec marmalade. So it's got triple sec in it, so she might not be able to have this. I'll check on the alcohol content. Anyway, Melanie, you were brilliant. thanks for coming in I'm going to talk about Chip Spice next week lots of love everybody speak to you next week