SERIES 19: Episode 3 - In The Loop, Little Web World, StretchLAB, Hetty, TYSON, Shop Fumbalinas

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0:37Michael Douglas: Hey folks, welcome to another episode of Making the Cut. It is me, Michael Douglas.

0:41Davina McCall: And me, Davina McCall. And this is the TripAdvisor for your life.

0:46Michael Douglas: I've got the dodgy headphones again. Yeah, I think I don't need to wear mine. We're in a new set-up.

0:53Davina McCall: It's quite nice you not having any headphones on and me having headphones. so I can really hear you in my ear holes.

1:00Michael Douglas: Oh, can you?

1:01Davina McCall: So nice.

1:02Michael Douglas: Great, yeah, yeah, nice. I've still not quite got this sorted yet.

1:08Davina McCall: We're going to have that open.

1:10Michael Douglas: We can shut that.

1:11Davina McCall: No, no, I quite like it.

1:12Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a nice feature in the background.

1:15Davina McCall: I feel like we should tell people about that.

1:17Michael Douglas: Yeah, well, we built this house about four or five years ago. I specifically asked for a space to be left here so I could put a bar in it.

1:27Davina McCall: And conveniently, we wanted a bit out on the other side for the television to go on, so there could be two bookshelves on either side of that.

1:37Michael Douglas: So it's like a chimney breast next door that houses the TV. But this little insert creates the chimney breast, but gave us a little space here. And I turned it into a bar. And he built that? Yeah, I did, I did. I bought, these are like scaffolding board type things that are made into shelves.

1:56Davina McCall: Where did you get that from, scaffolding?

1:58Michael Douglas: Just like B &Q. And I sanded them down. And then I bought two kitchen cabinets, which are down there.

2:06Davina McCall: Yeah.

2:06Michael Douglas: You can see down there. And then I also... The wallpaper was an absolute stroke of genius. The first thing I did was bought gold Perspex mirrored panels. Oh, and... That glued onto the kitchen cabinet doors.

2:22Davina McCall: They are amazing.

2:23Michael Douglas: And then I drilled those holes and put these little handles in so you can open and close them. The idea is a little mini fridge was going to go in there. One day. I just haven't got round to that yet. And then I don't know if you can see, but on the bottom shelf I mirrored all along the back of it with these mirrored tars you got from Amazon. They were only like 10 quid.

2:46Davina McCall: Now that was, again, another stroke of genius.

2:48Michael Douglas: It's really good, isn't it?

2:49Davina McCall: And then I think the wallpaper on the top two shelves is so clever. Who wallpapers the back of a cupboard?

2:56Michael Douglas: I know.

2:57Davina McCall: You do. I'm that guy. But what a design feature.

3:00Michael Douglas: It is nice, isn't it? I went just to be in queue and had a quick look. I wanted some kind of mad wallpaper. My mum used to have these plants. They're like a rubber plant or something.

3:08Davina McCall: Yes.

3:10Michael Douglas: I'm just saying yes, I can't remember. You don't.

3:12Davina McCall: No, I mean, I can't remember what they were called. I know exactly the plant you're talking about because everybody's mum had them, I think. Yeah, they were a very 70s thing.

3:19Michael Douglas: Now we're all going to Ikea and buying plastic versions of them. but yeah then I wallpapered it and then I did something to fancy it up a bit we've got an ivy here in Tunbridge Wells and I was looking behind the bar at the ivy

3:32Davina McCall: this is the cleverest bit of all because nobody everybody thinks it is what you're about to say

3:38Michael Douglas: but I noticed they had a brass insert into the wood and I was thinking

3:43Davina McCall: in the edge of the shelving

3:44Michael Douglas: I don't know if you can see that through the camera there but on the shelves I just bought this brass tape also off Amazon and I just taped it along. And then when I varnished the shelves and everything, that kind of got sealed in. So it now looks like a brass runner that runs through the shelves. But honestly, that whole thing cost about£45.

4:03Davina McCall: It's tape on the edge of the shelving, which looks like inlaid brass. I mean, we look so fancy pants. And I don't think I've given you enough kudos and credit for that.

4:17Michael Douglas: Kudos, please. Can I have kudos?

4:19Davina McCall: You can have so much. I'll give you ten kudos.

4:22Michael Douglas: I remember hearing the first time I ever heard the word kudos.

4:26Davina McCall: Fuck off, you don't.

4:27Michael Douglas: Somebody...

4:28Davina McCall: Wait, wait, wait.

4:29Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah.

4:30Davina McCall: You remember the first time you... Yeah, yeah. I've just said kudos.

4:34Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah.

4:34Davina McCall: And you can remember the first time you heard the word.

4:37Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah.

4:38Davina McCall: Who knows that?

4:40Michael Douglas: Yeah, I just remember because somebody had said it about me and I didn't know what it meant. So he said, you've got real kudos.

4:48Davina McCall: It must have been kudos to you. Kudos is like congratulations.

4:53Michael Douglas: Yeah, OK. Well, hang on.

4:55Davina McCall: I need to look it up because I'm not sure.

4:58Michael Douglas: But he was kind of implying that I was a kudos type person or something like that. And I remember thinking, what the fuck is he talking about?

5:06Davina McCall: OK, I'm going to look it up and we can have a proper look at that.

5:11Michael Douglas: But he was somebody who was courting me to go and work for him. So I thought, well, that's probably something. Did it work? flattering it did briefly but then david thomas poached me david thomas god rest his soul uh he was a very good friend of mine who passed away recently but um yeah this guy richie who'd taken over the hair salon yeah while i was ill in hospital i came out of hospital and tried to go back to my old job and my boss had sold the salon to somebody else who i didn't massively want to work for this other person so he was trying to get me to stay and he was but he used the word

5:47Davina McCall: kudos or you bring the salon kudos oh okay so that's exactly what he would have said kudos is a noun meaning the public praise admiration or fame that someone receives for a specific

6:01Michael Douglas: achievement or success okay well he said you bring the salon kudos yes like public praise for what you do. But the other word I really like is zeitgeist. Oh, I don't know what that means. Look it up.

6:17Davina McCall: Okay. Can I just say something? It's so... Michael.

6:22Michael Douglas: Yeah.

6:23Davina McCall: This is why I love doing this podcast. Yeah, it's great, isn't it? Because we haven't even started on what we're going to recommend each other. And I've already taught you the meaning of kudos and you've taught me the meaning of zeitgeist. Well, I don't know yet. Yeah, let's find out. Which I'm about to find out.

6:41Michael Douglas: But I always thought there should be a TV show called The Zeitgeist. So in an episode of The Thick of It, which is one of my all-time favourite comedies, an Armando Iannucci political satire called The Thick of It.

6:53Davina McCall: Yeah.

6:53Michael Douglas: It also went on to make a movie called In the Loop, which is a bloody brilliant movie, by the way, if you're...

7:00Davina McCall: Which one?

7:01Michael Douglas: In the Loop. We've watched it. It's the Malcolm Tucker movie. Oh. Yeah, about the start of the Iraq war.

7:08Davina McCall: Wait. It's so good.

7:11Michael Douglas: It's brilliant, isn't it? There's so many good lines in it.

7:13Davina McCall: Oh, my God. It is so clever.

7:17Michael Douglas: What they used to do on that show, if you're familiar with it, there's a guy called Malcolm Tucker that's played by... He became Doctor Who. My brain's not working very well today. What's it called?

7:29Davina McCall: In the Loop?

7:30Michael Douglas: In the Loop. Malcolm Tucker is played by Scottish... He was playing the Alistair Campbell type role, the spin doctor.

7:37Davina McCall: Oh, God, he's so good. And he was also Doctor Who. Peter Capaldi. Peter Capaldi, yeah. Was he the doctor for a bit?

7:45Michael Douglas: Yeah, he was Doctor Who for a while. Yeah. He's a brilliant, brilliant actor.

7:50Davina McCall: He is amazing.

7:50Michael Douglas: I remember reading an article about the scripts. What Armando Iannucci used to do is write the scripts for the show. Yeah. And then they'd send them to this guy who was a sweary guy. And he basically filled them with swearing. yeah that was his job he was the sweary guy

8:06Davina McCall: sweary

8:07Michael Douglas: so they'd say oh here's the script Malcolm Tucker ham it up so he would take the script and just squeeze all this swearing into it you know which is all this like sit the fuck down or fuck the fuck off you know that kind of thing rather than are you going to sit down or go you know that he would just like enhance the whole thing but they said when they got the scripts back they'd read They would just laugh so much because the swearing in it is so good.

8:37Davina McCall: Can I just say one thing? Sorry, I'm very overexcited. You're really frying my brain right now. But the other thing that's so amazing about that is that now, if people watch that film, their enjoyment of that film will be elevated to such a point because they know that now. I did not know that when I watched it. and that I want to watch it again.

9:03Michael Douglas: Yeah. Yeah, well, we should watch it again. It's a superb film and it's got James Gandolfini in it. The last film he did before he died. Yeah, the Sopranos guy.

9:14Davina McCall: Because I'm trying to get Michael to watch The Sopranos at the moment.

9:17Michael Douglas: But there's a brilliant scene where they're trying to work out the death toll of what going into a second Gulf War would be. And the only thing they've got to hand is a speak and spell, like a child's speak and spell. and he's like going doink, doink, doink, doink. So that's 300 ,000 soldiers, doink, doink, doink, doink, doink. And then 1 ,500 civilians, doink, doink, doink, doink. So he said it goes doink, ding. And then it's like, you're the casualty rate of innocent civilians. It's like 450 ,000. And they're like, so should we go to war then? So there's just so much absurdity in it. It is so good.

9:54Michael Douglas: But in the thick of it is this thing where Malcolm Tucker says to the minister, look, we'll put together the zeitgeist tape for you. And it's basically a videotape of everything that's going on in British culture that week. So like what happened in EastEnders, you know, what's on the front page of the newspapers. The flavour of the nation. Yeah, so when the Prime Minister's being interviewed, he's got a kind of rough overview of what is going on in Britain.

10:21Davina McCall: Oh my God, do you think that actually happens?

10:23Michael Douglas: Well, I think so, yeah. It wouldn't surprise me because he's got to be briefed.

10:26Davina McCall: You've got to know what's going on and what people are talking about.

10:29Michael Douglas: Yeah, but they called it the Zeitgeist tape, you know. And I just thought...

10:34Davina McCall: So, well, that's interesting when you read the definition.

10:36Michael Douglas: Yeah, okay, go for it.

10:37Davina McCall: Because it says, translates from the German as the spirit of time. And it refers to the general intellectual, moral, cultural, ethical and political climate that defines a specific historical period.

10:52Michael Douglas: Oh, so it could be the week or whatever.

10:54Davina McCall: is this week, the zeitgeist of this week is this. Yeah, yeah, this. But it's everything in it. Yeah. It encompasses cultural, moral. Yeah, art, culture, what's on at the theatre, all that. How everybody's thinking, feeling.

11:06Michael Douglas: That would be a brilliant TV show. And what I realised is... Zeitgeist. Yeah, what I realised is that Gogglebox was kind of that. Yes. Because I used to watch Gogglebox to find out what to watch. And it was like, oh, it's a bit like a zeitgeist tape. But I would love that. Can you just sit down for half an hour and watch the Zeitgeist of Britain this week. It's so helpful.

11:26Davina McCall: That Lee Mack quiz show, The 1 % Club.

11:28Michael Douglas: Oh, yeah. Does that mean to do that?

11:31Davina McCall: No, but you were just talking about Gogglebox being like the Zeitgeist for you to know what to watch. I found that quiz show on when we did Gogglebox. Oh, yeah. Yes, exactly. And I was like, oh, God, I would never have seen this quiz show. We don't really watch much television. But my God, that was so clever. And then the other thing that the 1 % Club, I think it's called that, plays into is this idea that we all think we're clever.

12:04Michael Douglas: Yeah, yes.

12:05Davina McCall: And we think we're cleverer than other people. It really taps into your ego.

12:11Michael Douglas: It's really interesting. I saw this lecture once from a psychology professor and he was talking about creativity and who's creative and who's not. And, you know, he said, you're only creative in comparison to whoever it is you're trying to be creative with. So you might think you're a creative person, but if you get 100 people in a room and you'd say, like, here's a brick, a house brick. What else could you do with this house brick? And like 90 percent, like 90 out of the 100 people would say, well, you could use it as a paperweight. And he said, OK, because 90 people have done that, they're not the creative people.

12:54Michael Douglas: It's when you get down to the one person who has ground that thing down and remoulded it into something that can now do two or three different things. Do you know who that is? Go on. You. Yeah, I know. Because I'm interested in how creative I am, you know.

13:08Davina McCall: Astrid.

13:09Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah. Well, she's kind of an artist.

13:11Davina McCall: So when we went into the loo at her house today, our friend.

13:16Michael Douglas: Yeah, we went somewhere for brunch this morning. I went to the bathroom and there was a screen that, you know, what are they called, those kind of folding screens? Yeah, it is like a Victorian room divider.

13:29Davina McCall: A room divider. And she'd got a frame and she'd got all the old films from when the cameras had changed from film to digital.

13:39Michael Douglas: Yes, it would have been 35mm film reel.

13:41Davina McCall: And she got all of that and she created a lattice. of film crossing over each other, but because it was backlit by the window, you could see all the pictures.

13:56Michael Douglas: Beautiful, wasn't it?

13:56Davina McCall: Which had overlapped each other. And she'd made that out of film. If somebody said to me, what else could you do with a realer film? I wouldn't think that. Yes, exactly, exactly.

14:07Michael Douglas: So that's, I just loved that idea is that you think you're creative, but it's only once you're put up against loads of all the kind of creative thinkers, Because you realise, oh, wow, like I am way off the mark. But being around people that think like that helps you start thinking like that. So you can become more creative just as a result of being in the company of other people.

14:27Davina McCall: I'm going to help you.

14:28Michael Douglas: Yeah. Are you? Yeah. Great.

14:30Davina McCall: Because every time I see something, I'm going to go, what would you do with this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

14:35Michael Douglas: It's a great little exercise, thought exercise.

14:38Davina McCall: Yeah, it's brilliant.

14:39Michael Douglas: It's funny. I've been trying to set these microphone stands up on this table here.

14:43Davina McCall: Oh, yeah.

14:43Michael Douglas: And because the table's beveled, couldn't get them to clamp. And I was like, oh. And then I realised there's a funny little tray that pulls out here.

14:51Davina McCall: It's so handy. Bang.

14:53Michael Douglas: So I hope you like the new setup, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, so recommendations. Can I just say how nice you look? And where's that top from?

15:00Davina McCall: This is from what we talked about last week. Oh, Pioneer.

15:03Michael Douglas: Oh, Pioneers. It looks like two tops. It looks like a tank top over the top of another top.

15:08Davina McCall: And it's, you know, a proper old school knitted jumper. with a little bit of crochet on the arms. It's so pretty.

15:17Michael Douglas: That's the thing I liked about it. It's kind of sexy but conservative. Yes. Oosh.

15:21Davina McCall: Oosh.

15:22Michael Douglas: What have you got for us? I've got a couple of things I want to talk about.

15:25Davina McCall: I've got a few things that I want to talk about, but one of them is a really nice Christmas present idea. And it's called littleweb.world. So that is the name of the website. But it's called Little Web World, and it's about making everyday things a bit more magical. Now, we are all connected online. And especially now, as both of us are parents of children that aren't with us all the time, but we think about them a lot and we miss them. It's like you can send your kid a care package digitally, but you can choose what you put in the care package Right. So you could put in, well, I'm going to name some of these things that you can do.

16:16Davina McCall: One is called a little box of goodies. So you would send your friend or child a digital care package. So you could put a song in there, photos, a drawing. But when you look at it, it arrives and the photo is like a photo on a Polaroid. Yeah, yeah. So it gets sent and each box is individualized to them. So it's not like a care package that anybody could have. It's from you of things that you want to put in it. But they help you. People like me, Neanderthals like me, who aren't very creative, they help you.

16:53Michael Douglas: She is creative, ladies and gentlemen. Let me just tell you. I don't know why she keeps saying this.

16:59Davina McCall: This website helps you kind of easily put together a really brilliant, innovative.

17:05Michael Douglas: little care package little care package yeah

17:08Davina McCall: then there's also a little jar of stars so you can collect your memories like stars and you can put them in a jar and then you tap the jar so this is what it looks like

17:22Michael Douglas: a little jar yeah

17:24Davina McCall: and you tap the star in the jar and you click on it and it will be a memory of yours oh nice and you fill it with memories and you can randomly visit a memory. You tap on it and it'll be a little picture.

17:40Michael Douglas: I got this with a photograph.

17:42Davina McCall: You know, this is what we did on this day.

17:44Michael Douglas: How nice.

17:47Davina McCall: Then the other things that they do is a goals star chart online. So turn your goals into a star chart, add stars. You might want to progress, make them feel a bit more magical. There's a little party room. So you can literally build a party room as a birthday present.

18:05Michael Douglas: Oh, OK.

18:05Davina McCall: And send it to your friend as a place for them to go and party online.

18:09Michael Douglas: Yeah.

18:09Davina McCall: I mean, I know this is like not good because this is just sending everybody to a digital world, but it is what we all are.

18:15Michael Douglas: It's part of the world that we live in, yeah.

18:17Davina McCall: And then this is fishy is a tiny digital love story that you can share with your special fishy. A little pocket cam.

18:26Michael Douglas: What, you've got a fish that you share a story with?

18:29Davina McCall: Hold on. There are plenty of fish in the sea, but you were the only one for me. And it's like a specialised love, a love card or message that you can send to somebody. There is a little USB. There's a little table. You can make spreadsheets prettier. You can build a meadow with flowers, digital postcards. I mean, this is like endless lovely gifts. It's a very, very sweet way of telling somebody you're thinking of them. Not with just a like text. It's actually a gift. there's a nom nom machine that you can make that's like um what is that pac-man a nom nom machine nom nom nom nom nom nom anyway little web dot world really really really like that idea i like the idea of telling someone you're thinking of them you know those moments where you think oh i must call so and so they've come to me yeah like i need to reach out this is how you do it

19:26Michael Douglas: Very good. I like the sound of that. I was thinking about my kids today and how...

19:30Davina McCall: We could send them a Nom Nom machine.

19:32Michael Douglas: Yes, I would quite like to do something like that because I miss them at the moment. I'm sure there's lots of people watching or listening. Especially now. Yeah.

19:40Davina McCall: November is a couple of... Yeah. Like a few weeks since they've left home to go on to further education.

19:46Michael Douglas: Yeah, and my kids moved into a flat together in January and I've really missed them, you know. I didn't realise that I've been feeling a bit low, I suppose, recently. And I think some of it is just like realising that that stage of my life is over and I need to grieve it a bit, you know.

20:04Davina McCall: You are so plugged in. I am plugged in. You are such an amazing dad that when they don't need you as much, which is a sign of what a good dad you've been. it's really hard pill to swallow and then you're like you know you're kind of chasing them

20:26Michael Douglas: are you around?

20:29Davina McCall: and it's such a different energy because they were always like dad dad dad dad you know your whole life and then suddenly it's son son son

20:35Michael Douglas: it's like that I don't know suddenly my eldest is reaching out quite a bit at the moment which is really nice it's nice to be needed and he just wants to talk you know and And I'm really enjoying being useful for him, you know. It's brilliant. Yeah, I know. So, as you know. Yes. I love you. I love you too. Thank you. No problem. I'm obsessed with stretching. He is. I love stretching. This is true. I love doing the splits and trying to get my body into some poses.

21:16Davina McCall: unflexible you were yeah because like say how far could you get how far was there between your

21:22Michael Douglas: hands and the floor oh yeah like six seven inches or something now i can touch the floor no problem you know so i've really worked at it but what i've discovered is there's a stretch lab which is this company what that is stretch lab is a place you can go and they'll stretch you or teach you how to stretch safely um i've been looking for a place like this for ages and it It turns out that I've got one literally around the corner from my studio. How did you find it? I just walked through Ham Yard. You know the Ham Yard Hotel?

21:48Davina McCall: Yes, I love that hotel. Can we recommend that quickly?

21:52Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, it's a gorgeous Ham Yard.

21:54Davina McCall: Oh, my God. It's in London.

21:57Michael Douglas: We always bang on about the Broadwick. But the Ham Yard Hotel is in a little road called Ham Yard, which is off Windmill Street in Soho.

22:05Davina McCall: And that courtyard itself is the most incredible. Well, that's where this is, yeah. Is it?

22:09Michael Douglas: That's where Stretch Lab is, yeah. Oh, in the courtyard? I just walked past it the other day. Yeah, yeah. So I'm going to go in there. But here's what to expect. I haven't been yet, but I'm so excited about going. And it said, it is not a massage. It is not a yoga class. It's a 50-minute one-on-one treatment in which someone else does the hard work of lengthening the muscles you use all day. Here is every minute of it. So there's a lot of stuff here where it does loads of stuff, your legs, your groin, obviously, which is where I hold a lot of tension. And then it'll teach you the various stretch and then give you some homework to do.

22:53Davina McCall: And wait, can I ask you something? Have we talked already about, we have, I think, about you stretching and what it did to you? I think so, doing the splits and all that stuff. I mean your journey to stretching and I think some people might think well and beyond that I can't improve but no chance yeah I mean I can't tell you how much you've changed and the way that you move now because of your stretching is you're so free free yeah yeah and I didn't realize that

23:23Michael Douglas: freeing up your body frees up your mind I had no idea that those two things were the same really that actually you hold tension, emotional tension in your body, not just in your mind, but in your muscles, in your joints, you know, to that clenched or unclenched thing. I'm trying to unclench a lot. So I'm very excited. These are a bit London-centric for people, but I'm sure there must be other places around the country as well. These are in Fitzrovia, Soho, Chelsea, Notting Hill, Hampstead, Islington and Westfield White City.

23:54Davina McCall: And can I just say, that is incredible because that shows you the demand.

23:59Michael Douglas: Yeah, exactly. There's something good going on here. I mean, we talked about this on the last series about AI liberating people in some ways. So a lot of the thinking can now be done by ChatGPT, which gives you time to think about yourself, which is not something we're very comfortable doing, but it's bloody great to invest some thoughtful time into what do you want. And I want to be a lot more flexible. And I'd like to be even. I'm flexible on one side but not so much on the other.

24:29Davina McCall: I think we're all a bit more flexible, aren't we, on one side?

24:32Michael Douglas: Yeah, because you're left-handed or right-handed.

24:35Davina McCall: Do you know they said it was quite interesting that my dominant eye is the opposite to my dominant hand.

24:44Michael Douglas: Yeah, okay.

24:45Davina McCall: So this is my dominant hand but my dominant eye is my left eye. Is it?

24:49Michael Douglas: I'll have you avoid that then. Go for your cloudy eye. Go for the glaucoma eye.

24:54Davina McCall: No, I want to see all of you. No, no, no, I'm getting too old. As clear as day. No, you're so handsome and gorgeous.

25:00Michael Douglas: So Stretch Lab, it's stretch-lab.co.uk. If anybody's interested in stretching, just get to work. Go and buy us a couple of bits on Amazon that'll help you. I've got that Achilles heel stretcher. What should they look up?

25:14Davina McCall: Stretching aids?

25:16Michael Douglas: Yeah, well, maybe I'll do, maybe next week I'll do a little thing on what I've got. Please. So I've got this thing called the Flex Buddy, which I've talked about before as well, which is really good. It's just two bits of wood and a piece of material, but you can hoik yourself into these really good positions. And then the pole thing I bought.

25:33Davina McCall: Yeah, that's just such a simple tool.

25:36Michael Douglas: So funny, isn't it? You look at it, you think, what's that going to do? And then you do the exercise, like, fucking hell, this is beautiful.

25:41Davina McCall: And what I like about stretching is that there isn't a sort of right and wrong way to do it. Like you can feel when you're stretching something. So you'll just move and you'll think, oh, I'm stretching something I didn't even know I had.

25:51Michael Douglas: Yeah, my mate Pip was like, can you send me some online courses on stretching? I'm like, I'm not doing any. I'm literally feeling where the tension is and then stretching it. Pushing against it. I'm trying to have a conversation with my body. And it is telling me, this is tight. Push, push, not too hard. Okay. But it's a mental trick. Your body can do it, but your mind won't let you. That's why you surrender.

26:17Davina McCall: Tilly, my daughter, went from being quite inflexible to doing the splits.

26:21Michael Douglas: It's mad how fast you can get it done. Yeah, yeah.

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27:33Michael Douglas: We're nearly half an hour in already. I know. We're not done very much.

27:36Davina McCall: This is what I mean is so interesting, is that, I don't know, there's two things that I want to talk about. Yeah, OK. Well, good, good. OK, one is a very simple one that just blew my mind. I went to go and see Holly and Paddy last week. I went to the flat and I'd knocked something over and I said, have you got a Hoover? And they went, go and get Henrietta. Yeah, yeah.

27:59Michael Douglas: I'm amazed you didn't know about Henrietta.

28:01Davina McCall: Oh, it says Hetty. Pneumatic Hetty. I guess Henrietta is Hetty.

28:07Michael Douglas: Is Hetty, yeah. I think it was called Henrietta, but maybe they shortened the name.

28:10Davina McCall: I have never known about this.

28:13Michael Douglas: Yeah.

28:14Davina McCall: I think there's a few of them. This has blown my mind. And it's the sweetest looking thing. Look at her face. Look at her. Is she not the cute? Like Henry the Hoover was cute, but Henrietta is the sweetest thing I have ever seen. And I would be hoovering all the time. She just looks like... She just looks like...

28:39Michael Douglas: Let's get one. I'm going to get you hoovering. Freddie Mercury I want to break free

28:48Davina McCall: I would be breaking free a lot with that I mean honestly it's so sweet I found the cheapest one that I could find online was at Curry's you can actually save 60 quid it's 139 pounds I mean it's a basic it does everything that a hoover can do but she was saying it's actually a very good Hoover? It's a very good Hoover.

29:16Michael Douglas: I often find when workmen come to your house, they bring a Henry Hoover to tidy up afterwards.

29:21Davina McCall: That says something, right? Yeah, and if you're a painter and decorator,

29:23Michael Douglas: you're Hoovering all the time. All the time, yeah. So I assume they're bloody good. The only thing that would piss me off is if they brought out a fucking hairdryer with all the other vacuum cleaner bullshit guys. Shark. Who wants a product called Shark? To dry your hair? Or do anything with, in fact, you know. A rubbish name. Jesus. You know, the other thing I'm finding mad is like, you know, when we're thinking... Can I just say something?

29:52Davina McCall: You are the nicest person on the universe. I am. Fucking shark. But when you really hate something, it makes me laugh so much. I'm like, oh, my God, who's this?

30:02Michael Douglas: Don't do it. They're exploiting you. But the other one is like the Ninja Air Fryer. It's like, we call it the Ninja. Why? I don't know.

30:13Davina McCall: I've got to say, I think that makes more sense to me.

30:17Michael Douglas: Ninja?

30:18Davina McCall: Yeah, than shark. Why? Ninja, because ninja I see is also a chopping machine, a blending thing. Oh, like swords? Chopping, chopping.

30:29Michael Douglas: Like a samurai type thing.

30:31Davina McCall: I get that.

30:32Michael Douglas: Okay, fair enough. I'll surrender for that.

30:34Davina McCall: But air fry, not so much. But chopping, yes, I get.

30:37Michael Douglas: Oh, mad. Okay, I'm going to do one more recommendation for people.

30:42Davina McCall: I've got one more after this. Okay, great. Can you handle it?

30:45Michael Douglas: We're at 31 minutes. People are getting a bonus, bonus eps on this. Okay, so I watched, I've watched a few documentaries about this guy, but Netflix has just turned up a brand new documentary on Mike Tyson. Oh. Yeah. And I am of the Mike Tyson era, really. So me and my brother stayed up very, very late, at like four or five in the morning in about 1986. So I would have been 13 or something like that, maybe 12. And we watched the Trevor Burbeck fight where Mike Tyson came out. It was his first big professional fight as somebody going for the world championship. Trevor Burbeck was the world champion boxer at that time.

31:30Michael Douglas: And Tyson annihilates him in two rounds. And nobody can believe what's happened. You know, this guy is now heavyweight champion of the world. And then his career obviously just went bang, bang, bang, bang. He's won, won, won, won, won. And then, of course, he was terrifying with this whole manosphere thing that's happened over the last 10 years or so with Andrew Tate and all these other types of men out there. um Tyson's a really good um kind of analysis of a dangerous violent man trying to control himself while being celebrated for his violent behavior you know the conundrum that guy found himself in it was so he is a convicted rapist you know he went to prison for for rape he arguably I don't know how much this is true beat up his wife around that time robin gibbons yeah um they they explore all of that he talks openly about it all you know um and it really is a fascinating insight into a man struggling to control his urges from being denied love as a child essentially that is the most brutal bit of it is that he was brought up in utter squalor.

32:55Michael Douglas: His mother was a prostitute. His dad disappeared and he's just spent his whole time going in and out of juvie. And you can see, like, what type of a child he would have been, you know. And then he stumbles across boxing while he's in juvie and this one boxing guy picks him up, Custamato he's called, and just says, Oh my God, I think this guy has got the potential to be the greatest heavyweight champion of all time, like exceeding Muhammad Ali and all the rest of it. And he was right, you know.

33:26Davina McCall: And did he have a very special relationship with his boxing manager? Because they are the first time someone parented him.

33:34Michael Douglas: Someone showed him some love, yeah. Wow, God. But it's a beautiful, beautiful look at what a struggle of a life he's had. And then there is catastrophe after catastrophe. You know, I mean, he gets addicted to cocaine. He's actually taking it while boxing as well, like faking wee tests. Yeah. How can that even happen? You know, and then obviously bit at Evander Holyfield's ear. His ear. You know, like a chunk off his ear. It's insane. Yeah. He talks about that, about what he did. You know, like, so you're actually really getting an insight into this man. But he's a broken, humbled man. He says something like, human beings aren't born humble.

34:18Michael Douglas: They get humbled if they're lucky. And I think what he's saying...

34:23Davina McCall: Oh my God, that is... If they're lucky.

34:25Michael Douglas: Yeah. And I think he's basically saying, I have been humbled.

34:29Davina McCall: And do you know what that's basically saying? His ego is the enemy.

34:34Michael Douglas: Oh, he is aware that his ego ripped his life to pieces.

34:39Davina McCall: And it often does that to everybody.

34:41Michael Douglas: If you let your ego run away with itself. Well, one of the brilliant things that he does at the end is he allows himself to be filmed taking 5-MeO-DMT.

34:52Davina McCall: Oh, wait, can we just explain? So if anybody wants to learn about what we are just about to talk about, go to Begin Again and go and watch the conversation that I have with Patrick Cox. And he talks about the strongest psychedelic known to man that he took, which basically stopped him from killing himself.

35:14Michael Douglas: Yeah, well, that's exactly what it did to Mike Tyson. He was addicted to alcohol and crack cocaine and obviously fame and all the horrible things that go with it. And he smoked FAMI or DMT and he's never drank or taken drugs ever since. And he takes it on film. So you see him do it? You see him do it, yeah. I really, really want to see that. So it's brilliant. because you see a man.

35:41Davina McCall: What does he learn from it? Can he explain what he's done?

35:44Michael Douglas: He's done it hundreds of times, but it is the death of the ego, basically. It is the thing that he thinks he is, the Iron Mike Tyson, this violent, corrupted man who's out of control, a slave to his ego, essentially. He just gets dissolved. And he says this wonderful thing, just to finish off here. He says, the guy says, what have you learned and he says that I deserve love I deserve it and it was so beautiful you know because you just think fuck hell you know he's 59 years old you know all the money he made he lost all of it you know it was a hangover that really saved him that that hangover film really put him back on the map and he managed to reclaim his life but i i would say put your cynicism and and critique of mike tyson aside and try and watch this documentary with an open heart and you can ask you can see whether this is a man redeemed or not um but you know i think

36:49Davina McCall: there's a lot to learn from when i when i think about beginning again like and i and i'm thinking about interviewing somebody i always say that mike tyson would be my number one favorite interview because I'm not interested in interviewing somebody that hasn't really begun again. But it feels like it is honest. It is true. He is ashamed of the man that he was. Yeah, yeah. And that he knows that he can live the rest of his life as the man he wants to be. And that is a lesson to everybody. You don't have to stay the man that you are. You can go and learn to be a better man or a woman.

37:27Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah. I mean, in that Ram Dass song that we listen to, you know, where he says, you aren't who you thought you were. You aren't who you thought you are. You're just not that person. And in this very lifetime, you can know it. And, you know, me and you have both experienced a transcendence of ourselves and realized the beauty of what it is to be alive. But you get to experience that in the documentary. I bloody loved it. So whoever made it, well done. and I'd highly recommend it for people to watch. You know, it's an incredible, incredible watch.

38:01Davina McCall: Thank you for that. I'd like to put a little caveat on that and just say that we are not recommending people take that drug recreationally. It is, Patrick was talking about it. He said there is nothing recreational about it. It is medicinal only and there are only a few people that can...

38:22Michael Douglas: Well, it's illegal here anyway. You'd have to go to a country where you could take it.

38:25Davina McCall: But when they do it, they do it in a different country with someone who's like a doctor in that. Yeah. Not just any old person in a shed in Wandsworth, you know. The last thing that I'm going to talk about is this joyous company that I've found called ShopFumbelinas.com. F-U-M-B-A-L-I-N-A-S. and basically I have got a dressing gown that I got from, I think it was from Mew Mews, that we call the packaging. It's made up of, like it's a flouncy, I'll take a picture of myself in it and I'll post it. Acrylic stuff, isn't it? I'll post it on Making the Cut. I should actually post you in the hallway New Year's Eve.

39:15Davina McCall: But these gowns remind me of that And what I love about this site is it's for women. And it is for a woman who potentially might think my dressing up days or my being flamboyant days are behind me. And then you think you get to kind of menopause. And I think lots of women at menopause go, fuck that. I want to be seen. but these are the kind of clothes that you could get back rather than going back to your clubbing clothes which you're like I'm not sure if I can get away with that anymore this is like the first stepping stone

39:56Michael Douglas: yeah yeah back into the phrase

39:58Davina McCall: to getting really dressed up and this is the dressing gown it's well it's not even a dressing gown it is something that you could wear over anything but you could waft around the house in it Yeah, yeah, great. You could wear it over jeans and a T-shirt and go to dinner with friends. It's so versatile. And they come in really fun colours. And honestly, everything is about try the colour. Try something a bit different. Try something a bit more brave. Be brave around colour, patterns, textures. There's this other brilliant thing called a snuggle robe. So this is the kind of thing that you'd watch telly in at home.

40:43Davina McCall: But rather than just putting a blanket over you, why not get a leopard print fleece blanket? I love the multi-coloured ones. Right? It's like Joseph and his Technicolor dream coat. I mean, the colours are amazing. But this is such a clever way of helping us feel visible. And everything on this site is fun. There's a section called Lurex Range. There's a section called Sequins. Hello. So the sequins, they have loads of cape shawls, dresses, very comfortable, very flattering, good for women of any size. But in these amazing colours and the rainbow sequin cape is just off the charts. So please, Fumbelinas, shopfumbelinas.com, thank you for seeing us and wanting to help us be seen.

41:38Davina McCall: This is important and I'm very, very grateful to you.

41:42Michael Douglas: Well done. Thank you. Maybe a little Christmas gift in there. Yeah, thank you. A couple of shout-outs. Kirsty Robertson says, after listening to this week's podcast and you talking about fashion, I had to recommend an Amsterdam Empire that's on Netflix. Davina will love Betty's fashion. She's played by...

42:04Davina McCall: I'm looking at it now.

42:05Michael Douglas: Glasses.

42:06Davina McCall: Here.

42:07Michael Douglas: Oh, yeah, great. Famke. Famke Janssen. and looks amazing in every app she wears. Yeah, Amsterdam Empire. Lots of 70s mini dresses with socks and shoes and lots of colour. Love the podcast. Please travel to Edinburgh for future live episode. Yeah, of course. Let's get round country.

42:26Davina McCall: That's a good idea. We could do a tour.

42:28Michael Douglas: Yeah, I'd love to do a tour. Is it a tour?

42:31Davina McCall: A tour. Tour.

42:33Michael Douglas: Amsterdam Empire.

42:34Davina McCall: I'm looking that up now.

42:36Michael Douglas: Kathy Pickeringer says, just watch the recent podcast. People are watching.

42:40Davina McCall: Oh, my God.

42:41Michael Douglas: I know.

42:42Davina McCall: You're watching. Yeah.

42:45Michael Douglas: So sad to see Megan B go.

42:48Davina McCall: Oh, God. I know. Isn't that nice? Yeah, I know, I know. Oh, that's so nice that we were all in Megan B.

42:55Michael Douglas: Yeah.

42:56Davina McCall: We were all invested.

42:57Michael Douglas: And it said, got three bags and loads of straps. I will love and cherish them.

43:02Davina McCall: Yeah, they were brilliant, Megan B. Thank you, Megan B, again.

43:05Michael Douglas: Super, super good. And then I thought this was quite a nice one. It says, hello, Davina and Michael. I'd love to suggest my Rebecoming program for Making the Cut. So this is a hypnotherapist and she has something for the later stage life people. Yes. And it's called Rebecoming, which is quite nice. I love that. It'll play on your begin again. You know, I'm 69 with 25 years of experience as a hypnotherapist. ReBecoming is a six-session programme helping women shift deeply ingrained subconscious patterns as they navigate ageing from perimenopause through to postmenopause. Because being told to embrace getting older doesn't necessarily change how you feel about it.

43:50Michael Douglas: So that's pennyalberta.co.uk.

43:53Davina McCall: Penny Alberta?

43:55Michael Douglas: Yeah, Penny Alberta.

43:56Davina McCall: Is it P-E-N-N-Y? Yeah. Okay, Penny Alberta.

43:59Michael Douglas: Can I just say that hypnotism changed my whole life.

44:05Davina McCall: Yes, that's why I thought I would bring this up. And we cannot recommend hypnotism highly enough. I took St. Harriet to get hypnotised for her needle phobia and it completely disappeared. And this is something that has ruled her life for so long. And it changed mine. It took away my fear of abandonment. so honestly

44:30Michael Douglas: yeah it's great isn't it look into it because if you are struggling

44:34Davina McCall: with this stage of your life she can help you let go of that yeah

44:40Michael Douglas: go and check out her website remember who you are rediscover what matters embrace what's next

44:46Davina McCall: remember who you are do you know that picture of the little girl in the rain she's still in there or something let's go find her

44:55Michael Douglas: oh I love that it's big big so Penny thanks for sending that thank you and that's a nice recommendation to finish on we are going to go and order some food do you fancy the pho? yes yes we have like a ramen soup thing yes be nice won't it nice and clean yes but thanks for watching and listening don't forget tickets are on sale at the Underbelly Soho

45:17Davina McCall: yeah come see us live honestly we would love to meet you we are going to have such a fun show

45:23Michael Douglas: yeah it'd be super nice it'd be a lot of fun and just be easy

45:26Davina McCall: It'll be like this, but a bit longer. We'll be taking recommendations from you guys. We'll be down in the crowd. They'll be dancing.

45:34Michael Douglas: Yeah, we'll do a bit of dancing and mucking about. It'll be great.

45:36Davina McCall: He's going to do the caterpillar. He promised us that last week.

45:38Michael Douglas: I might have put knee pads on for that. Lots of love, everybody.