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Episode Summary In episode #2726 of the Marketing School podcast, hosts Neil Patel and Eric Siu discuss several pivotal topics within the marketing and business landscape, including:

  1. The Rock's Return to WWE: Analyzing the impact of The Rock's character transition on WWE's viewership and sales.
  2. Trump Media's Stock Performance: Reviewing the fluctuations in Trump Media shares.
  3. Influencer Impact: Discussing MKHB's review of an AI company and its implications for brand reputation.
  4. Mergers & Acquisitions: Exploring the advantages of companies that engage in acquisitions versus those that do not.
  5. Trends in Digital Advertising: Highlighting Omnicom's growth and the record U.S. search ad revenues.

Time-Stamped Highlights

  • (00:00) Introduction of today's topics.
  • (01:15) The Rock's return to WWE and his new villain role driving sales and viewership.
  • Historical context of The Rock as a major wrestling star.
  • Underpinnings of character roles: "heel" (villain) vs. "babyface" (hero).
  • The impact of TKO, the parent company of WWE and UFC.
  • (04:40) Trump Media shares rise 15% after a decline.
  • Discussion on the volatility of stocks associated with well-known figures.
  • Impact of Trump's loyal fanbase on stock performance.
  • (05:42) MKHB's review of the AI company Humane.
  • MKHB's influence as a tech reviewer and the rapid destruction of the company's reputation in his review.
  • The potential for both negative and positive sales impacts from influencer reviews.
  • (07:45) The analysis of companies that acquire versus those that don't.
  • Study indicating that frequent acquirers have 130% higher shareholder returns.
  • The risks and strategies associated with mergers and acquisitions.
  • (14:29) Omnicom's 4% growth in Q1 and what this means for the advertising industry.
  • Explanation of organic vs. inorganic growth within advertising agencies.
  • (15:43) Insights from the IAB revenue report indicating growth in digital ad spending.
  • (16:14) Record U.S. search ad revenues hitting $88.8 billion in 2023.
  • (17:42) Closing remarks and encouragement to rate and review the podcast.

Key Insights The Rock's Influence on WWE

  • Market Dynamics: The Rock's return as a 'heel' is a strategic move to boost ratings and merchandise sales.
  • Character Dynamics: The duality of 'heel' and 'babyface' roles can significantly affect viewer engagement.

Stock Market Fluctuations

  • Influence of Loyalty: The discussion reflects how a strong, loyal fanbase can lead to volatile stock performance, particularly in politically charged environments.

The Power of Influencers

  • MKHB's Review: The episode highlights the significant impact that a tech influencer can have on a company's reputation and market performance, emphasizing the necessity for brands to manage their public image carefully.

Mergers & Acquisitions (M&A)

  • Strategic Growth: Companies that frequently engage in M&A tend to see substantially higher shareholder returns, indicating that acquisition can be a lucrative growth strategy.
  • Risk Management: While acquiring companies can lead to growth, it also carries risks that need careful consideration.

Digital Advertising Trends

  • Industry Growth: The surge in digital advertising revenues indicates a positive trend in the advertising sector, with implications for marketing strategies going forward.

Conclusion This episode of Marketing School encapsulates critical discussions on character influence in entertainment, market trends in tech and stocks, and the strategic implications of mergers and acquisitions within the business landscape. It serves as a reminder of the dynamic interplay between marketing, public perception, and business growth strategies in today's fast-paced environment.

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  • Check out the resources and agency community at [Marketing School](https://www.marketingschool.io) for further insights and networking opportunities.

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0:00Did you know that The Rock resurrected the WWE? I did not know that let me tell you I've been watching these on YouTube so Rock, those of you that follow WWE, formerly WWF The Rock's always been the biggest star back in The Rock, Stone Cold Thieve Austin, The Undertaker and so The Rock calls up Triple H who was another wrestler but now he's like president of the WWE and he's like yo I have an idea I want to become the biggest heel in WWE, do you know what a heel is? heel is a bad guy So Babyface is a good guy. I think it's Babyface. It's a good guy, bad guy, right? Babyface is a good guy. That means good guy.

0:38Yeah, I think it's Babyface. Or is that a character? No, Babyface is good. Heel is bad guy. Babyface is a good person, right? And The Rock is used to playing both. And so he's like, look, if I can become the biggest bad guy, we're going to drive a lot of sales, right? I don't know if you know this, but TKO, the group that owns, I think, both UFC and WWE now, I'm pretty sure The Rock is a shareholder. and so he's well incentivized to do this. This is a little side note, right? You're talking about Endeavor? I don't think it's Endeavor. I think the group's called TKO. You can search it up. I think Endeavor owns TKO.

1:11You could be right. I think you're right. So as you search for it, basically what happened, are you right? Uh-huh. Okay. So Endeavor owns TKO, TKO owns WWE and UFC, among other things, right? And so pretty sure, again, rocks the shareholder. so um he changes up the storyline first like the rock was supposed to face someone else but he's like no no it should be this person versus this person right and then he's just this bad guy now but the ratings are through the roof wrestlemania completely sold out and now they're transitioning over to doing this netflix deal right and so they're coming off of cable and so the wwe is well positioned to win for the long term and i haven't followed wwe for a while but everyone's saying like that wrestlemania was like the best one ever for such a long time the attitude era is back, which is like when Stone Cold and The Rock were going at each other.

1:58And you can feel the excitement. And he's like playing into his character. Like you can't even tell it's fake or not. Like he's like blurring the line. Like that's how good he is. But it just shows a couple of things like incentives drive everything, which is like he's a shareholder. So he cares. Is he a shareholder though? Because Endeavor now went private. And I think it is. If you have The Rock, come on, you have to give him something. Let's see. Rock. Sure. He could be. It may not be public. I want you to bet. I don't know. You could be right. Dude, I am like 99 % sure. I just know Silver took it public.

2:31I mean, private. Why put so much time and effort into this if you're not a shareholder? Either he's a shareholder or either he's just getting paid in compensation based on performance. Either one is the same thing. Money is money. Well, I mean, it's a little different if you have equity versus profit share. Not really, because at the end of the day, if you have equity and it goes up and then you're able to sell it somehow, because remember, it's not publicly traded anymore. It's a private company versus someone just saying, hey, here's a hundred million dollars. If they pay you enough, it doesn't matter.

3:02It's the same thing. If they pay you enough is a big caveat, right? But the profit share could be like a one-off, right? But if it's ongoing profit share, okay, that's the same thing. He's the rock. It has to be a really good deal for him. I would hope so. Yeah. There's no way he did this deal unless he's getting paid an arm and a leg. Speaking of influencers and the power of them, remember last week we were talking about shorting DJT, Donald Trump's stock? and we both said, it's too risky because I was like, man, this stock is not a$5 billion stock. What is it at right now? I don't know. It started going down, but today it popped 15%.

3:36That's right. In that video, by the way, I was like, you can't short it. Nope, you can't. I think overall if I shorted it, I still would have been up because it's gone down more than it's gone up, but it doesn't matter because Trump could say something his crazy loyal fan base. And when I say crazy, I meant to talk about how loyal they are, right? Not that they're actually crazy people, but more so he has a crazy loyal fan base where they're super loyal and they'll do anything for him. And when you think about that, it's just like, dude, they could pump up the stock. Just look at GameStop. Look at, what was the other one?

4:15GameStop. GameC is another one. Yeah, exactly. And this is like, it's just too risky. How much am I going to make? there's a certain amount of money I'm going to put towards it but there is a risk that I can just lose everything and people just pump it Did you see what MKHB did to Humane? Oh you haven't heard about this You know who that is, MKHB on YouTube So he's basically the biggest tech reviewer and he basically made a view so this product, Humane AI it's supposed to be a projector it's supposed to do all these AI features maybe translations, I don't know enough about it but MKHB makes this video.

4:53He's like, the title is this may be the worst product I've ever reviewed till now, right? And then I think it's got millions and millions of views and it's completely like everyone's ripping on humane. It's like basically destroyed their reputation. But it just, again, goes to show you I mean, look, he destroyed an AI company in about 41 seconds. That's what it takes. Or he helped them generate more sales because some of the people liked him and never knew about them. Could be. I mean, this product, if it works it's pretty game-changing. I think eventually they'll get there, but it just goes to show you an influencer can make or break you sometimes.

5:28You want to know what's funny? I don't know this MKT, whatever his guy's name is, but I've seen the terrible humane reviews and I bet you it probably came out after his. Yeah, because they were trying to trend track it. Yeah, and then I'm like, this thing looks like it sucks. Everyone's talking crap about it. I just moved on and I didn't even try to pay attention to it. All right, real quick. I need to tell you about the group that Neil and I created called the Agency Owners Association. And this is a group that's similar to entrepreneurial organizations such as YPO or EO. By the way, Neil and I are both a YPO, but we thought it'd be really cool if we're able to create a group that's dedicated to agency owners to helping them scale.

6:02So you can be at six figures, seven figures, eight figures. We have different groups for different levels. All you have to do is go to marketingschool.io slash agency. Again, that's marketingschool.io slash agency. And you You can go there to apply. And I will tell you right now what we're doing is there's an online community. We do calls every now and then. There's stuff that we share in there that we don't share publicly. And you can, at least the online community, you can counsel at any time. So you can go there to learn more about it. And that being said, back to the video. Do you want to know the difference between companies that acquire versus companies that don't?

6:34Okay, companies that were frequent acquirers earned X percent higher shareholder returns versus those that stayed out of the market. You asked me to take a guess on that percentage? 112%. Very close. 130 % higher. So sitting on the M &A sideline generally is a losing strategy. So this is a study done from Bain on M &A. And it shows these graphs over here over time. You can see the red graph over here. You can just see it's bigger. Those are the people that acquire. And we've been talking about this. We're cautiously optimistic about the economy. You've bought some stuff this year. you're still actively looking.

7:13I actually had someone reach out to a mutual friend of ours. She's looking to sell her PR agency, by the way. We can talk about that afterwards. Oh, cool. Is it big? Define big. Like 50, 100 people at least? I'll just tell you the revenue. What's the revenue? Four. Eh. Yeah. But you're buying stuff in other countries. Yes, but that's different. If I buy a PR agency, there's only so many customers. I can sell PR too, because most people don't come to us for PR. But on the flip side, if I buy a company, I'm going to make up a number that does 4 million revenue in call it Singapore, Hong Kong. Okay.

7:54And let's say they even do 500 in profit or a million. It doesn't matter. But let's say their clients are, you know, like Google, Apple, Domino's, Bingo. So let's say they have a lot of enterprise brands like Aquapana, the decision maker for Hong Kong, the person who runs it, a lot of times, at least in that region, is the decision maker for most of APAC. A lot of the decision makers come from Hong Kong or Singapore, but let's say either one. So then if I buy that company and they sell them one or two services, I can sell them four or five more services like we offer. And then I'll sell them into the rest of APAC, India, Australia, Japan, Korea, Indonesia, Vietnam, Singapore, you name it.

8:40And then once you do well, then I sell those clients across the rest of Europe and Latin America and America. And now I'm really talking because I've just taken them from a really small market like Hong Kong. And I've expanded that account globally from$100 ,000 to paying$4 or$5 million. So the lesson here is there should be some type of connection. Sometimes if it's so far off, for example, if you've got a plumbing company, it wouldn't make any sense at all. So there's got to be some sense of tie-in here. Just to finish, tie the point on this one. It's not as if M &A isn't still risky. The landscape is littered with failures.

9:23Yet, while some companies made difficult missteps, others learned deal after deal how they could substantially boost the odds of success in their favor. To put some data behind this assertion, from 2000 to 2010, companies that were frequent acquirers earned 57 % higher shareholder returns versus those that stayed out of the market. I'm a big believer in M &A. I know you are too. You've done a few deals as well. I'm looking, and we're both looking. By the way, our little agency group, guess what the MRR is now? Don't go too high. $2 ,000. $2 ,700. that's right that's right oh great yeah hey guys we're on our way but i think it's helpful this is this is a good way for us to update people every month or so on how you can build a community from scratch because um you know we're not full-assing it quite yet but uh it's getting better and better what does that mean full-assing so okay you could half-ass something or you could full-ass something right so if we're like you're full-ass on your business right now i'm full-ass on my business I've never heard that saying before.

10:26I've heard half-ass. Or I've heard, you're doing a good job and you're all in. Yeah, it's an Eric-ism, okay? Full-ass. But I think it will be helpful for us to share how community is extremely powerful and what we're doing to continue to keep people engaged. Because there's an objective that we have with this group. What's the objective? To help agency owners grow. That's true. Exactly. If you've ever built a website, you know how tough it can be to keep a strong design while ensuring site performance is fast. That's where Framer comes in, and it totally changes the game. Framer is the design-first, no-code website builder that lets anyone ship a production-ready site in minutes.

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13:34No, it's more so you're putting in that. Yeah, I am. Because you're not interested until the numbers become significant. but this is good learnings to share with people. I don't think the numbers will be significant but I look at it as you have fun with it. You keep the money. I'll show up and I'll love to learn because I think I can always learn from others and I'll try to provide value wherever I can. What if the numbers become 500 grand a month? I don't think they will but enjoy. Hey, he said it on this podcast. All right, so I wanted to take a second to tell you about leveling up founders.

14:08This is an event slash mastermind for people doing seven, eight, nine figures. These are founders that are doing that amount. And we've been doing this event for a couple of years now. We've had amazing speakers, but more than anything, it's about the people. What I mean by that is like-minded people want to hang out with like-minded people. And this is the best spot to connect with people of a certain caliber. And we vet every single person that comes through. So if people are, even though they make a lot of money, but their character, we don't really align with that. We're not necessarily going to let them in.

14:37We do this event in Beverly Hills and it's happening in the beginning of August. All you have to do to learn more about it is just go to levelingup.com slash founders. Again, it's levelingup.com slash founders. If you want to hang out with amazing people, Neil, my podcast co-host is going to be there. I'm going to be there. People like Syed Balki, he will be there as well. And again, it's going to be a great time. Levelingup.com slash founders to learn more and we'll see you inside. This is a little bit interesting. I have three topics, but it's on pretty much the same things. First off, it looks like the marketing industry is picking up.

15:10We talked a little about that last week or the week before. We've been talking about that. Yeah, and I ended up talking about what we're seeing at our agency because we get a lot of leads. But a lot of people are now reporting their Q1 earnings. Omnicom is off to a good start with 4 % Q1 growth. And for everyone listening, 4 % growth means they grew 4 % in January, February, March versus January, February, March of last year. It wasn't defined in there. And the problem with these ad agencies, they buy so much, it's actually hard to tell what's organic and inorganic. Do you want to define what that means first?

15:47Organic means that you're just naturally growing, right? Let's say I have a company called Crazy Egg. Crazy Egg has never done acquisition. It just naturally grows. That's organic. At NP Digital, we organically grow, but we started buying companies. So if I buy a company that does$10 million in revenue, and let's just keep the math simple. Let's say if my company was doing$100 million in revenue, and if I buy a company that's doing$10 million in revenue, I now just have roughly a 10 % growth right then and there. Inorganic growth. That's inorganic. And then if I had a natural$10 million growth as well, you combine both of them, I could say, oh, look at my growth rate.

16:25It's 20%. I'm at 20 million. That's how most holding companies do it. Just FYI for everyone. Yeah. And a lot of them have negative organic growth, but that inorganic growth makes up for it. Yeah. Okay. So IAB, their revenue report reveals that the back half started increasing when it comes to ad dollars. So in what could be a leading indicator of the digital ad spending expansion, the second half of 2023 grew as more than twice the rate of the first half, according to a just released figures from the interactive advertising bureau and PwC's full year 2023 interactive advertising revenue report.

17:05And on top of that, U.S. search ads, and I saw this on search engine land, U.S. search ads revenue hit a record of 88.8 billion in 2023. It's a lucky asian number eight eight eight eight that's right dude asians will pay a lot of money for things like eight eight like a house with the number eight eight eight yeah like the way the house faces as well all these things i'm a big believer in all that too you do not the 888 but the facing and all that i follow it even though i'm not chinese oh see everyone's got a little chinese in them like the stairs going out the front door none of my homes ever had the stairs going out the front door.

17:45What does that mean? Your money goes out the door. Oh, and there was, there was some homes that I could have bought that were out of steel and I would have made like a million to a million and a half in like less than three months. And I refused to buy them because the staircase was going out the front door. And I'm like, no, no, I cannot risk everything. Oh, you can't risk everything. Yeah. Yeah. But by the way, going like both Neil and I, I'm speaking for you right now, we're, we're still cautiously optimistic about the economy, but I don't know about you. This is probably the first time in my life where I, this is the most instability I've seen from a geopolitical standpoint, inflation is still holding.

18:20And then you have escalations, geopolitical escalations everywhere or tensions everywhere. And so who knows what's going to happen? It's also election year too. So we can't guess any of these things. So all we can do is just continue to march forward, but anything can change. But that is it for today. Please don't forget to rate, view, and subscribe. Go to marketingschool.io slash agency if you want to join the Agency Owners Association. that's a group Neil and I have to help agency owners grow and yeah we'll catch you later

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In episode #2726, we discuss The Rock's impact on WWE by proposing to become the biggest villain, spiking viewership and sales. They also explore the fluctuating market behavior of Trump Media shares, the influence of tech reviewer MKHB on an AI company, the advantages of mergers & acquisitions for business growth, and trends in digital advertising, evidenced by Omnicom's growth and a record year for U.S. search ad revenues.   Don’t forget to help us grow by subscribing and liking on YouTube!   Check out more of Eric’s content (Leveling UP YT) and Neil’s videos (Neil Patel YT)    TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES: (00:00) Today's topic: The Rock returns to WWE, Trump Media shares surge, MKHB exposes AI company, and more (01:15) The Rock returns to WWE (04:40) Trump Media shares close more than 15% higher after days of declines (05:42) MKHB destroyed an AI company in 41 seconds (07:45) Companies that acquire vs companies that don't (14:29) Omnicom is off to a good start with 4% Q1 growth (15:43) IAB revenue report reveals back-half expansion (16:14) U.S. search ad revenues hit record $88.8 billion in 2023 (17:42) That’s it for today! Don’t forget to rate, review, and subscribe!   Go to https://www.marketingschool.io to learn more!   Leave Some Feedback: What should we talk about next? Please let us know in the comments below Did you enjoy this episode? If so, please leave a short review.   Connect with Us:    Single Grain << Eric’s ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel X @ericosiu See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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