Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting

24 Apr 2025 · 10 min

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Episode Title

Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting

Podcast Overview In this episode of *Money Rehab*, Nicole Lapin discusses the escalating feud between President Trump and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell regarding interest rates. The episode delves into the implications of lowering interest rates and whether such a move is beneficial for the economy.

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Key Points

The Feud

Trump vs. Powell

  • President Trump has been exerting pressure on Jerome Powell to lower interest rates.
  • Trump oscillates between criticizing Powell and indicating he won’t fire him.

The Appeal of Lower Interest Rates

  • Lower rates can reduce borrowing costs, positively influencing various loans (homes, cars, etc.).
  • Current average credit card APR is around 28%, and mortgage rates are approximately 7%.
  • Lower rates are attractive to investors and can lead to increased market growth.

The Downsides of Lower Interest Rates

  • Inflation Risks:
  • Lower rates can lead to inflation, which is currently above the Fed's target of 2%.
  • Core inflation remains above 3%, indicating a potential risk if rates are cut prematurely.
  • Historical Context:
  • Reference to the 1970s when premature rate cuts led to multiple recessions.
  • Housing Market Impact:
  • While lower rates might reduce monthly payments, they can increase overall home prices due to higher demand.
  • Federal Debt Complications:
  • Trump’s tariffs may be an attempt to induce economic pressure for rate cuts, making it cheaper to manage the national debt.
  • Lower rates can scare bond investors, potentially increasing longer-term borrowing costs.
  • Impact on Savers:
  • Low rates negatively affect high-yield savings accounts, which have recently seen rates above 4%.
  • Reduced rates could lead to negative real returns for savers, particularly in an inflationary environment.

Conclusion

A Cautionary Perspective

  • Nicole warns against the temptation to lower rates, suggesting they are not a sustainable solution and can lead to economic instability.
  • Encouragement to avoid the "drug-like" dependency on low rates as a remedy for economic issues.

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Actionable Tips

  • Investing Strategy:
  • Prepare a budget for investing around the Federal Reserve's next meeting on May 6th and 7th.
  • If rates remain unchanged, it may present a buying opportunity in the stock market.
  • Mindset Adjustment:
  • Having cash reserves can help mitigate anxiety during market downturns and can be used strategically when opportunities arise.

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Closing Thoughts Nicole emphasizes that managing finances and economic strategies requires careful consideration rather than reactionary measures. She encourages listeners to take charge of their financial wellness and remain informed about economic shifts.

Contact Information Listeners are invited to submit their financial questions to moneyrehab@moneynewsnetwork.com for potential answers on the show.

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3:16Well, the biggest feud on Capitol Hill is not between Pete Hegseth and his own phone. It is between President Trump and Jerome Powell. President Trump has been playing both good cop and bad cop, trying to get Powell, the chair of the Federal Reserve, to cut interest rates. Trump has called Jay Baugh a loser. He said he can't wait until he was fired. But then just earlier this week, he said he had no intention of firing Jerome Powell. But while the markets and politicians are thirsting for lower rates, let's just take a beat for a second. Should we even want lower rates? On the surface, it's easy to see why lower rates are super sexy.

3:54Lower interest rates mean it costs less to borrow money, and that affects everything. Right now, the national average credit card APR is sitting around 28%. That is a brutal, brutal rate, and it's part of why household debt is ballooning. Mortgage rates are still hovering around 7%, which is more than double what they were in 2021. So sure, lower rates will help you pay less for a home, for a car, for your startup loan, and everything in between. And investors eyeing growth and tech also love lower rates. Lower interest rates make future profits more valuable, and Wall Street loves that. If you have a 401k, an IRA, or even a self-directed brokerage account, you probably love that too.

4:37All of this sounds so great, right? So why isn't JPOW jumping to cut? Well, because lower interest rates are not a magic bullet in the overall economy. They are a short-term high. And they come with some serious long-term side effects, like inflation. And yes, sure, inflation has cooled off a lot since the insane 9.1 % peak that we saw in June of 2022. But core inflation, that's the one that strips out food and energy, is still sitting north of 3%. That is a full point above the Fed's target of 2%. So if the Fed cuts rates too soon, it could undo all the work they've done fighting inflation. We've seen this movie before.

5:17In the 1970s, the Fed tried to bring down inflation but cave early. As a result, we got four recessions in less than a decade. That is not just a bad sequel. That is a horror franchise. Also, the housing story might not be a good one either. Lower interest rates means more people can afford to buy. That means higher demand, which means higher home prices. This happened just a couple of years ago after rates were slashed during COVID. Mortgage rates, remember, dropped below 3%, but home prices shot up by over 40 % in just two years. So even if your monthly payment goes down, the price tag on a new house may just shoot up and price you out anyway.

5:59The federal debt story is a complicated one, too. You've heard me talk a few times on the pod about the theory that President Trump is using tariffs to put negative pressure on the economy so that the Fed lowers interest rates and the U.S. can refinance its$36 trillion debt problem. And yes, lower rates would make that debt a lot cheaper to service. But if the Fed slashes rates too aggressively, it can freak out bond investors who start to worry about the Fed panicking. That fear drives up the cost of borrowing longer term and can shake faith in America's credit worthiness. Which is not a vibe.

6:34Okay, last problemo, I promise. Lower interest rates also is bad news for savers. Right now, we are finally seeing decent rates on high-yield savings accounts, averaging over 4 % nationally. That is great news for retirees and anyone playing it safe. But if rates go down, so do those yields. And with inflation still above 3%, a 1 % return on your savings account, remember those, can actually result in a net loss. That's what economists call a negative real return. And what I call robbery. And worst of all, if inflation comes back, they'll have to hike rates yet again. It's kind of this yo-yo policy that is exactly what causes recessions.

7:17So yeah, bullying Jerome Powell into cutting interest rates might feel good in the moment, Mr. President. But let us not forget, rock bottom interest rates were never, ever normal. Low interest rates were a shot in the arm. It was the drug the economy was on in the years after 2008. I remember those years. Well, we almost saw an apocalypse. Then we became junkies for these low interest rates. And then we went to rehab. And now we are itching for another fix. But rock bottom interest rates are not normal. They are extreme measures. You don't give a patient morphine just for funsies. It's not a party drug.

7:58You do it because there's a serious problem. There's serious pain. Do we want to feel that pain just to get a little high? I don't think so. So stay in money rehab, Washington. Stay in money rehab. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. I'm budgeting a little extra cash to invest around the time the Fed meets next, which is May 6th and 7th. That's the Fed's next opportunity to change the Fed rate or keep it the same. No matter what JPOW decides on, there will be an investment opportunity. If the Fed keeps the rate the same, the stock market will probably react poorly, which is a buying opportunity from my perspective.

8:35Keeping a little cash on the sidelines for buying opportunities is also a powerful psychological trick to help you keep calm during market downturns. It helps reframe the whole thing of what could be seen as a negative or stressful moment into a positive one.

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The biggest feud on reality TV this week... is Trump vs Fed Chair Jerome Powell. The issue at the core of this beef? Interest rates. President Trump is pressuring the Fed to lower rates, but today, Nicole shares her hot take: we don't want lower rates.

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