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Podcast Summary: Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Episode Title
"How Do I Get My 401(k) From an Old Job?"
Overview In this episode, Nicole Lapin addresses the common concern of what to do with a 401(k) after leaving a job. Listeners are guided through the various options available for managing retirement funds post-employment, emphasizing important considerations and processes.
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Key Themes and Discussions
- Transitioning from Employment
- Importance of Financial Decisions: Nicole congratulates a listener, Amber, on her decision to leave a job, recognizing the personal and financial implications involved.
- Understanding 401(k) Ownership: The funds in a 401(k) belong to the employee, regardless of employment status.
- Options for Managing a 401(k)
- If 401(k) Balance is $5,000 or Less:
- The old employer will typically cut a check for the remaining balance, minus taxes and penalties.
- Importance of ensuring a forwarding address to receive the check.
- If 401(k) Balance is Over $5,000:
- Rolling Over to New Employer's 401(k):
- If a new job with 401(k) benefits is secured, funds can be rolled over seamlessly.
- Steps involve:
- Setting up the new 401(k) and informing HR about the rollover.
- Communicating with the old plan to ensure a direct rollover (avoiding withdrawal penalties).
- Importance of not cashing out the old 401(k) into a personal bank account to avoid taxes and penalties.
- If Moving to Self-Employment or a Job Without 401(k):
- Consider opening a Rollover IRA (Traditional or Roth).
- Guidance provided on choosing between Traditional vs. Roth IRAs.
- If Immediate Cash is Needed:
- Withdrawal from the 401(k) could be an option, but comes with significant costs:
- 20% tax withholding and a 10% early withdrawal penalty.
- Mention of hardship withdrawals for specific circumstances (e.g., medical expenses).
- Advice and Encouragement
- Nicole reassures Amber and listeners that many people face similar financial challenges and emphasizes the importance of making informed decisions.
- She encourages ongoing communication, inviting listeners to reach out with more questions.
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Financial Tips
- Tax Credits: When unemployed, individuals may qualify for tax credits such as the Earned Income Tax Credit, which is beneficial for financial planning.
- Reviewing Financial Eligibility: Emphasis on re-evaluating eligibility for tax credits during significant income changes.
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Conclusion Nicole Lapin provides a clear, actionable framework for managing a 401(k) after leaving a job, encouraging listeners to take charge of their financial futures. The episode emphasizes organization, informed decision-making, and the importance of seeking support during financial transitions.
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Contact Information Listeners are encouraged to send their financial questions to moneyrehab@moneynewsnetwork.com for a chance to be featured in future episodes or to receive personalized advice.
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Acknowledgments Thanks to the production team and listeners for their engagement and investment in personal finance education.
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Transcript
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3:14Everything has a series finale. Bad, Bath & Beyond, Succession, and often our jobs. But once the credits roll, we have to answer this question. What happens next? This is what money rehabber Amber wrote in to ask about. Here she is. Hi, Nicole. I recently resigned from my job and don't know what to do with the 401k from my former employer. I'm a single mom and currently unemployed. Do you have any suggestions on what I can do? Thank you. First of all, Amber, congrats on leaving your job. Weird take, I know. But I'm sure you spent a long time thinking about this decision and you have a very good reason to leave.
3:53So good for you for doing what's best for you and your family. A few things could happen next, but ultimately what happens is completely up to you. So let's look at your choices. Now, you have a couple of things that we need to sort out about your financial situation. Like, do you have$5 ,000 or less in your 401k? If so, your old job will just automatically close your account, cut you a check, minus the taxes and penalties, and off you go. So if you're doing an eat, pray, love situation, make sure that you have a forwarding address so that your check doesn't get lost in the mail. If you have more than$5 ,000, let's look at a couple of different things that could happen.
4:28If you quickly find a job that offers its own 401k plan, you can just take your old 401k and roll it into your new employer's 401k. This is something that your HR department there could help you with. It's a pretty simple process. You set it up by setting up your new 401k with your employer. And when you open that account, you tell the new plan manager that you'll be rolling over an old plan. There'll probably be a little extra paperwork involved, but it shouldn't be anything terrible. Then you contact your old plan and you tell them that you're doing a rollover and you fill out their paperwork.
5:03Okay, here's where things can get a little messy sometimes. Remember, 401ks are pre-tax accounts, meaning that you're taxed on that account not when you contribute, but when you take the money out. So when you roll over your 401k, you do not want it to count as a withdrawal or you'll be taxed and penalized, and that is bad news. So make sure you tell your old 401k provider that you want to do this as a direct rollover, meaning that the company managing your old 401k sends the money directly to the company managing your new 401k. They might require you to play middleman or woman and then send you the check directly and ask you to deposit it into your new 401k.
5:44This won't trigger a withdrawal if you deposit the check into your 401k immediately, but it will trigger all sorts of penalties if you deposit this money into your bank account. So I repeat, this is critical. Do not deposit the money from your old 401k into your bank account. That will screw you over. Any money from your old 401k goes into your new 401k. You do not pass go. You do not collect$200. Capisce? As a side note, if you love your old 401k for whatever reason, you can leave your money in there. You won't be able to add more money into it. And there may be some extra fees, but it's yours.
6:22It's there. You can keep it forever and ever at the end. But Amber, it doesn't necessarily sound like you love your old plan. And for most people, having just one single 401k is a way easier way to manage your retirement. So rolling your old 401k into a new 401k is probably the move. Okay, here's the second scenario. Say you're leaving your job because you're interested in working for yourself, going freelance, or moving to a job that doesn't offer a 401k plan. In that case, you have the option of opening up a rollover IRA. You have to decide which of the two types of plans works best for you, traditional or Roth.
6:58And funnily enough, another money rehabber had that very same question just a couple days ago. So if you need a refresher on those options, I've linked that episode in the show notes. Amber, the final scenario you could be faced with is the prospect of not having any money to live on and needing your 401k money right now for living expenses. This means withdrawing money early and even cashing the entire thing in. This is not something I ever recommend doing. you'll have to pay 20 % in taxes and take a 10 % hit in penalties. You may be able to make a hardship claim under certain conditions. For example, if you quit your job because of a medical condition and the money is going to pay for your care and medical treatment.
7:40Although a hardship claim only knocks off the 10 % penalty for early withdrawal, it doesn't do anything about the 20 % in taxes you'll owe. This is a scary situation to be in, but if it's where you are now, I promise you'll be able to shake yourself off and get things back on track. You are not the first person, Amber, to withdraw from their 401k early, and you're certainly not going to be the last. I hope this isn't the situation you're in, but if it is, I know it's stressful and I promise it will be okay. And please keep me posted, truly. As you cruise along this road to financial freedom, there's going to be a lot more questions along the way, and my email is always, always open for you.
8:19So remember, you're in the driver's seat, but I will always be there for you in the passenger seat with a playlist and snacks, of course. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. Being in a position where you're not earning any income for a few months can definitely suck. But it may also mean that you qualify for tax credits you wouldn't normally be eligible for. For example, as a mom, you can qualify for the earned income tax credit if you make less than$59 ,000 this year. Anytime you have a big shift in income, make sure you look over your tax credit eligibility very carefully so you don't miss out on any money that should belong to you.
8:56Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Lavoie. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at moneynews and TikTok at moneynewsnetwork for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
9:38Thank you.
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Picture this: you have a job at a company with 401(k) benefits and then... you quit (or the job quits you). The good news is that money is still yours. But the retirement fairy won't just come and leave your 401(k) under your pillow. Nicole outlines the steps you need to take after leaving a job to make sure that your 401(k) is still working for you.
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