The Fate of Medicaid and the Latest on the Big, Beautiful Bill

24 Jun 2025 · 11 min

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Episode Title

The Fate of Medicaid and the Latest on the Big, Beautiful Bill

Episode Overview In this episode, Nicole Lapin discusses the ongoing changes to President Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill," which is currently navigating through Congress. The primary focus is on the contentious aspects of the bill, especially regarding Medicaid, tax implications, and the national debt. Nicole provides a breakdown of what these changes could mean for listeners’ financial situations, particularly concerning health insurance.

Key Themes and Concepts

  • Big Beautiful Bill Overview
  • The bill aims for significant economic changes, including making Trump-era tax cuts permanent and implementing savings accounts for newborns.
  • It proposes cuts to Medicaid and SNAP benefits, changes to tax deductions for tips and overtime, and an increase in SALT (State and Local Tax) caps.
  • Senate Vote Process
  • The bill will undergo a vote in the Senate through a process called budget reconciliation, which allows for a simple majority to pass.
  • The Senate must adhere to strict rules about what can be included in this process, ensuring it relates directly to spending or revenue.

Current Legislative Challenges

  1. National Debt Concerns
  2. The U.S. is facing a considerable national debt, with nearly $1 trillion annually spent on interest payments, which hinders investment in infrastructure and education.
  3. The bill is pitched as a debt reduction plan, yet it poses a paradox by both cutting federal programs and extending tax cuts.
  1. Medicaid Cuts
  2. The proposed cuts to Medicaid amount to $880 billion, imposing work requirements for beneficiaries.
  3. Historical data from Arkansas indicates that similar policies led to significant coverage losses without increasing employment rates, raising concerns about healthcare access.
  1. SALT Deductions Dispute
  2. The bill proposes to raise the SALT deduction cap, which is a point of contention among Republican lawmakers, particularly those from high-tax states.
  3. If the Senate alters the bill, it must return to the House, making the legislative process more complex.

Procedural Hurdles

  • The Byrd Rule
  • This rule limits what can be included in the reconciliation process, ensuring that only provisions impacting federal spending or revenue remain.
  • The Senate parliamentarian, Elizabeth McDonough, is reviewing the bill to ensure compliance, potentially delaying the voting process.

Practical Financial Advice

  • For Residents in High-Tax States
  • If the SALT cap remains at $10,000, individuals could face significant financial loss.
  • Suggested actions include:
  • Prepay property taxes for 2025 if possible.
  • Consult with accountants about utilizing pass-through entity tax strategies to optimize deductions.

Upcoming Discussions

  • Nicole teases the next episode, which will delve into the proposed baby savings accounts and their implications for families.

Conclusion Nicole Lapin emphasizes the importance of staying informed about these legislative changes as they have direct implications for financial health, especially regarding Medicaid and tax deductions.

Call to Action Listeners are encouraged to send their money questions to Nicole for potential answers on the show, reinforcing the communal approach to financial education.

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3:16The Middle East has been dominating the headlines, of course, and I get it. The latest in Iran belongs squarely on the proverbial front page. But while this is happening, Trump's magnum opus, his big, beautiful bill, is still working its way through Congress. This is the big economic bill that President Trump is hoping to get signed by the 4th of July. The last time I checked in on this on the show, the bill had been passed in the House and it was moving to the Senate, but it needed some tweaks before it would be passed. Today, I'm going to tell you about those tweaks and what would happen to your wallet if they are indeed made.

3:50In my first episode on this, I listed all the big economic changes in the bill and how they would affect you. I linked it in the show notes if you need a no-frills breakdown of what's in the bill. But the Cliff Notes version is that this bill would make the Trump 2017 tax cuts permanent, create savings accounts for babies born between 2025 and 2028, my baby just missed it, slash Medicaid and SNAP benefits, slash taxes on tips and overtime, increase SALT caps and boost border security funding. The Senate's going to vote on this bill through a backdoor-type process called budget reconciliation. Budget reconciliation is this special process that lets Congress pass bills with a simple majority, meaning 51 votes in the Senate instead of the usual 60 needed to dodge a filibuster.

4:37But it only applies to bills that affect spending, revenue, or the federal debt limit. If lawmakers try to sneak in something unrelated like new immigration rules or abortion policies, it gets stripped out. That's where the Senate parliamentarian comes in. They are basically the ref here. And hold on to that fun fact because it's going to matter later. Now, Republicans, of course, have the Senate majority. So why hasn't the vote happened? At least four Senate Republicans have said they wanted the changes made before they'll vote yes. And with the math being what it is, Republicans can only afford to lose three votes.

5:12There are three big policy hangups here and one procedural hurdle that might be the biggest roadblock of them all. Let's start with the policy hangups. First, the debt. I know, I know, we are all tired of hearing about the national debt and honestly, I am tired of talking about it. Well, kind of. But we've got to give it some airtime because it sets the scene here. The U.S. is spending nearly a trillion dollars a year just on interest payments. That number projected to grow fast. Every single dollar spent on interest is a dollar not spent on education, infrastructure or emergencies. It also weakens global confidence in the U.S.

5:50economy. Both parties agree the debt is a threat. That's part of why this bill was pitched as a debt reduction plan. But here is the issue. The math is not mathing. The bill slashes federal programs, but it also extends Trump's tax cuts and adds new ones. That means less revenue. And it also increases spending in some areas like border security and those baby savings accounts. Those baby savings accounts, by the way, are fascinating. And I'm going to do a full episode on that tomorrow. But for now, just know the CBO says the bill, as written, would increase the debt. And that has some fiscal conservatives, especially in the Senate, pumping the brakes.

6:32Number two, Medicaid. The House version cut Medicaid. The Senate draft goes even further. $880 billion in cuts here. The idea is to shrink federal spending. But the human cost? Potentially massive. Right now, 72 million Americans are on Medicaid. That's one in five. And in some states like West Virginia, one in three. The latest version adds work requirements for the first time ever. Adults would have to work 80 hours a month, go to school, or do community service to keep their coverage. There are exceptions for people with disabilities and caregivers. Supporters say it will weed out fraud. But here's the thing.

7:15We have tried this before. Arkansas 2018, same work requirement. 18 ,000 people lost coverage. Employment didn't go up. Medical bankruptcies did. It went to court, and Arkansas dropped the policy. But here's another issue. Rural hospitals. They depend on Medicaid funding to stay open. The federal money pays for doctors visits, lab tests, medical supplies, basic stuff here. So if you take that away, those hospitals will cut services or they will close. Number three, SALT. That is state and local tax deductions. Yeah, I know this part sounds so boring, but it's become one of the most bitter fights inside the GOP.

8:00Pre-2017, you could deduct all of your state and local taxes on your federal return. That helped people in high-tax states like California, New York, New Jersey. But in 2017, President Trump capped that deduction at$10 ,000 And that cap expires this year. The House version of the bill raises the cap to$40 ,000, a tax break for the middle class. The Senate wants to keep it at$10 ,000. House Republicans, not happy. Here's the kicker. If the Senate changes anything, the bill is going to go back to the House. Which brings us to the Byrd Rule. Remember budget reconciliation? Only stuff that directly impacts federal money can stay in this bill.

8:43Now, who decides that? Well, the Senate parliamentarian does. Her name is Elizabeth McDonough. And right now she's going through the bill line by line like a boss in what is unofficially called the birdbath. She's already stripped out items like cutting funding to the CFPB, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, shifting SNAP, aka food stamps, costs to the states? Why is this? Well, they don't meet the budget criteria and anything she cuts has to go through the regular process. That means 60 votes. And guess what? They won't get them. Until her review is done, the Senate can't drop their official version and they can't schedule a vote.

9:27As of Monday night when I'm recording this, Senate Republicans are meeting behind closed doors trying to figure out what version they can actually push through. So by the time you're hearing this, there may be some updates. Now, they're hoping to have a vote on Thursday. That July 4th deadline is looking more aspirational than realistic, but I will definitely keep you posted. And don't miss tomorrow's episode where I break down the part of the bill that sounds almost too good to be true, the baby savings accounts, aka Trump accounts, which if passed, could come with a one-time$1 ,000 government deposit.

10:00For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank, if you live in a high-tax state, California, New York, New Jersey, and the SALT cap stays at$10K, you could lose thousands of dollars next year. But here's a workaround. First, prepay your 2025 property taxes before December 31st if your local government allows it. That could boost your deduction this year. Second, if you own a pass-through business, talk to your accountant about PTET. That's pass-through entity tax. It lets your business pay the state taxes directly, which can be fully deducted federally. It's definitely not one-size-fits-all, so now is the time to run the numbers with a tax pro.

10:45Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Laffin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Lavoie. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions. moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me and follow us on Instagram at moneynews and TikTok at money news network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.

11:29Thank you.

From the publisher

The version of President Trump's Big, Beautiful Bill that passed in the House will not pass in the Senate, primarily because of sticking points around the future of Medicaid, a tax break that's giving us FOMO, and, of course, the national debt. Today, Nicole explains what parts of the bill are changing, and how it may affect your health insurance.

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