What Did Jamie’s Mum REALLY Think Of Made In Chelsea?!

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1:34Have I told you about going to Scotland? What are you about to say? So I'm going to Scotland. Yeah. Is this recently? Yes. About last year. To stay with some friends of mine who have a beautiful estate up in Scotland. And that's very nice. and I'm late because I've been doing a podcast with you so I can't fly with them. So I'm flying on my own to Aberdeen. And Sarah said, don't worry, I'll send someone to collect you. Nice, relatable. And I said, well, how will I know who he is? And she said, I'll show him a picture of you so he'll know what you look like. Oh, yeah. So when I get off the aeroplane, there is a man in a cap in Tartan saying, hello, Penny, hello.

2:09So I said, oh, you recognise me? He said, yes, Sarah sent me a photo. And then he showed me. she'd sent him from your podcast in the sun Jamie's mum sleeps with two of her bosses and a picture of me that's I mean how humiliating is that how embarrassing can we mention this we can always cut it out but can I just mention the fact that when you did go on the podcast and you told the story and you told the story about having slept with your boss right Yes. He's known a boss. And then multiple people emailed you. Yes. Multiple people. Said, was it my husband? It was awful. One girl in Australia is convinced.

2:55She said it was David, wasn't it? It was David. I was like, it wasn't David. And David's dead, isn't he? No, David's alive. The other one, oh God, it's just awesome. Do you know, one of them died recently. Isn't that terrible? That's how old I am now. I haven't slept with anyone for years. years. Decades. So when was the first time you took first class? I remember the first time I went business class on an airplane. Okay. Because I was flying from Hong Kong to Tokyo. Yeah. And the guy who was running Cafe Pacific at that time, Rod. Hi, Rod, in case you're listening. Rod was single and a friend and he liked me and he upgraded me on my trip down to Tokyo.

3:38He put me in business class. Did you sleep with him? No, I did not. You always think I sleep with everyone. Trust me, I am not thinking that ever. Can I ask you another question? Yeah. Did you ever join, have you ever joined the Mile High Club? No. Absolutely not. No. I do comfort. I'm not going to prop myself on a basin. Oh, God. Oh, wait, should we begin in this episode. Yeah. Hello everyone. Welcome back to Newly Parents. More importantly, welcome back my mum Penny. It's been a long time. She's waving. I am waving. It's been a, I have to speak that because people don't see it. No, they do because we are, it's also on YouTube.

4:23So you can watch us on YouTube. Lovely. Do you ever watch anything on YouTube? No. Are you on TikTok? No. But you're on Instagram I'm on Instagram But that's all since you God, Jonathan Jonathan being my current husband He hates me being on Instagram Why? Because I have My algorithm Is that the right word? That's the right word, yeah Is rescue dogs So I spend hours on videos of dogs being rescued And then I get all upset I go, oh no This one's been adopted And this one's blind and this one hasn't got any back legs. And it's just awful. And then you start crying. And then I get all upset about the dogs.

5:07And then I wake up to see if the dog's out of hospital. Okay, listen, I need to ask you some questions because this is obviously about newly parents, right? What do you think Sophie and I are like as parents? Oh, well, apart from... Sophie is fabulous. I'm so desperate to be a good mother-in-law. Sophie is flawless. Really? Yeah. You're in a permanent panic. You are ridiculous. How am I in a permanent panic? How many phone calls have I had about the fact his cheek is a little pink, his eyes look a little bit purple underneath? But are you telling me that you were not like this? I probably was with number one.

5:45You would have 100 % been like that with number one. Number one is the scariest thing in the entire world. It is a huge thing. No, I grant you that. It's huge. Because you don't understand what's happening. You don't understand what's going on. you're sleep deprived the first can i say the first year of being a parent i warned you it's a complete write-off you don't it's right but it's full of joy anyway sarah who's she sophie is far calmer than you are anyway i think you're fab parents because you have produced just the most spectacular baby i know i can't tell you how sweet he is i don't you but has anyone you seen him he is he came I came into the office the other day.

6:27Oh my God, he's so cute. And he's the sweetest thing in the entire world. And what's more, he puts his arms out for me to hold him. Yeah, which is just lovely. He's going to love me. But was I anything like Ziggy was when I was... So you looked very like that. You looked exactly like that. You know he's got like golden syrup hair. Yeah. That's you. But the thing which I find interesting is like nowadays, right, parents have nanets and they have video. Oh, is that that thing you can watch wherever you are in the world on a film? Yeah. Yeah, so I can see what's going on. That's a rod for your own back.

6:58No, it's not. It's good. That's what you want. We have a camera so we can see exactly what's going on. We know everything that's going on. That's what you want. Listen, Jamie and Sophie came to stay with me recently. And I don't know why, were we shorter bedrooms or something? For some reason, I put you in a room where Ziggy was at the end of your bed in his... Yeah. So Ziggy's in a crib. Yeah. I've got a little pop-up crib. I've got all the kit. And he's in there. He's at the end of your bed, so you can hear him. He's in the same room, and you are under the sheets with the video, watching in case...

7:32I don't know, what's he going to do? Asphyxiate at the end of your bed? I mean, you're under the sheets watching the video. He's at the end of your bed. You could sit up and peek at him. I didn't. It was so dark. I didn't know what was going on. But why do you have to know what's going on every minute? Because I thought he was face down in the bed. You were face down from day one in the bed. You can't. You were. Babies are much more resilient than you think I'm full Being a parent is basically you're just full of anxiety The entire time Do you think you're going to be like this for number two?

8:02I think I'll be less like this for number two Number two I think you relax a little bit I'm sure you do And then number three you just throw in the boot Number three I don't think you care And then number four you just don't give a shit Home alone They left him behind Yeah because there were six of them Yeah So I think that's what's going to happen But I think the beginning one How many are you having? Four? I think, I don't know, I'd go for... God, I don't want to earn enough for four children. Well, how many kids? You had three kids. I had five because I had two stepchildren. There's two stepchildren.

8:34Would you have gone, but if Dad had allowed it, would you have gone for more kids? Something to do with Dad allowing it. If I managed to get hold of Dad to make another baby, that would have been the first miracle. No, three was enough. Producer Alex, who's new to the game, This is his second ever episode. He's got poor Alex and he gets me. He's got you, which is great. This is what we want. He's asked me, basically what's happened is this, right? Is Andrew Davies is a screenwriter. Yeah. He does adaptations, right? Like Pride and Prejudice. He did that in 1995. He writes adapted screenplays. So he's adapting a new Jane Austen novel.

9:10Yep. Okay. And do you know where he's got his inspiration from? Don't know. Made in Chelsea. What, for Jane Austen? Yeah, he's been binge-watching it while he writes He's been re-watching old episodes of Made in Chelsea And do you know what he came out and said? That got me nowhere So basically, I've inspired the screenwriter Not necessarily you Who else would there be? All the cast of Made in Chelsea How could he possibly be inspired by that drivel? So that's the question When I did Made in Chelsea Because Alex really wants to know this were you happy? were you excited about it? were you not excited about it?

9:50what were your thoughts? I was so proud of every episode you did did you ever watch it? yeah I did I watched a bit of it only a bit I did watch bits so when you did Made in Chelsea and I really didn't want you to do it if you remember I remember this yes you do you didn't say don't do it I said over my dead body you do it that was the first time they approached you so no I didn't want you to do it but your stepfather said because you hadn't got a job. Let him do it. Let him do it for three months and he'll make a complete ass of himself and then I'll give him a one-way ticket to Vietnam. So you, I don't, why do I not recall that you didn't want me to do it?

10:28So you never watched anything of Mia Wynne in Chelsea, really? What scene do you remember? No, I did watch it when you first were in it. For the first series? But then I got really bored. I did. I watched, I watched the, there was one rather good one where you had asked Louise out and for some reason you'd taken her golfing in a buggy. Oh, yeah, I remember this. On your first date. Oh, yeah, I remember this. Remember that? And then you were all going to Dubai and then there was a lot of, you know, phone calls from Dubai and Spencer in the car. And don't get in the car with Spencer Louise! You're on a date with Jamie.

11:02And then there's Louise with a bracelet from each of you on her wrist for her birthday. And I just thought, well, this is just a shambles. And then you were looking all mopey back on his doorstep and sort of drippy. And I just thought, you're never going to get the girl if you sit there looking like you're in tears. Man up. I did. So it's the only scene you ever really watched? Pretty much. You never watched anything else? Oh, then Millie threw a glass of wine in Spencer's face. So you only watched the first two series, pretty much, and then you didn't watch anything else? Oh, yeah, I didn't watch again after that.

11:36Well, it went on and on and on. Were you proud of me when I did it? No, because by the end you were about 40 and everyone else was 20. So I don't know why you were still on it. Okay, so when have you been proud of me? Let's talk about that. Oh, I was really proud. I'm proud of you all the time. Okay, this is nice. I really am proud of you. Really? So proud of you. I was proud of you. I was really proud of you at school when you were the sheep in the nativity play in nursery. And you were the last one that went out and you waved to all the audience. And you were just in white tights and a white vest and you had a black nose.

12:10And I waved to the audience. Waved to the audience. Forget the mother. Waved to everyone. Just get the validation from everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was proud of you because you won everything sporty-wise. So I was really proud of you then. I don't think I was proud of you in the Made in Chelsea days because you never turned up for everything you told Porky Pies the whole time. Isn't it? But all kids are meant to disappoint their parents at some point. Alexander never has. Okay, yeah, but that's because he stayed down the line, which I totally get. That's why he's my perfect child. Because the reason why we're talking about this, right, is because Ziggy at some point is going to grow up.

12:49Yes. So as a parent, you know, I've become a parent now, and you're always thinking that now you realize that you're constantly thinking about your kids. So what did you think I was going to be when I grew up? Were you worried about me? Were you not worried about me? I was never worried about you because you had so much personality. Okay. And you had so much drive. Do you know what? The thing that no one tells you about when you become a parent is that it's like someone gets your heart and gives it legs and lets it run around. That's what happens. Yeah, your heart lives in Ziggy. Like, it's crazy.

13:19And you just don't want anything to happen to them. You want to protect them in every way. And you want to save them. And you want to save them from everything. But you also can't save them from everything because you have to allow them to make their own mistakes and do their... And fall off their bike. And that's what happens. It's life. Yeah, but I think what's happened, your style of parenting was much easier. you guys were much more relaxed. We're much more anxious parents now because we have video and all the sorts of things going on. Which is tough. So I don't know how to change that. So as I've told you, I didn't know what you did for three hours in your pram because I didn't go back.

13:48I couldn't see you. My mother, Penny, used to put me in the garden underneath the tree, wrapped up, and leave me there for three hours. And used to come back every... Till the next feed. Till you came back to the next feed and realised I wasn't dead. And you were like, well, he's not dead, it's fine. He was fast asleep in the position I'd left you. so and anyway you're here okay big question is this right and I can't remember if we spoke it before but we need to ask if you loved me that much yes why did you send me to boarding school because that was what was the done thing in in you know your dad said they'll go he'd been to prep school my father my brother we'd all it's what the school you were at the local school yeah had three and a half boys and no sport and you needed sport I need to have activity.

14:37And then the local athletics club had spotted you. And so you went and had a little trial with the local athletics club. I don't even remember this. Yeah, yeah. And you told Jack Holmes to not give up and keep running. I was seven years old. Yeah, you were about seven. Anyway, they said they would take you, not because you were necessarily so much full fantastic than anyone else, but you were really, really fast and sporty because of your attitude. But you never gave up. Sorry, this is, I've never, so I was, so I could have been a prodigy at an athletics club. What happened? So then you didn't give me to the athletics club?

15:13No, because they said I'd have to drive you there every evening and every weekend. And I thought, well, fuck that for a laugh. Are you joking? That's my whole life. I'm a single mother. I can't just drive this child to every single, so that's. Yes, you can. No, when you look at these athletes, they have a dedicated parent. I was not that dedicated. Are you joking? Are you joking? That's why I didn't fulfill my potential. So I sent you to boarding school instead. No, that's my... So I could go out and get drunk. That was... That was my potential. Well, I don't think so, because would you really have wanted to do hurdles?

15:49Probably. No, you wanted a sweet shop. No, no, no, no, I didn't. You did. You always wanted a sweet shop. No, I liked athleticism. I was sporty. That's what I wanted to do. Yeah, but that's why I sent you to boarding school. You couldn't be bothered to drive me. No, because you had to go for training three times a week and probably six in the morning and then all weekend. Yes. Well, that's all I'd have done. What about when those big athletes, those amazing athletes, and they get up? Well, they have a mother and a father doing the driving. No, no, not always. But they do. LeBron James, single mother.

16:19You know who LeBron James is? I've heard of him. LeBron James is a basketball player. How about this? When you have kids, right? When I had kids or when you had kids? When one has children. When you become a parent. as a couple, it becomes quite tricky, doesn't it? Yeah. So how do you keep... It changes. It changes. So how do you keep the romance alive? It's really, really important that you maintain your marriage as much as look after the baby. Both of you, Sophie needs to make sure you don't feel completely ignored and unimportant. And you need to make sure that you're supporting Sophie but still viewing her as your life partner and not just as, you know, a mother and a baby.

17:03Okay, I get that. But how do you keep the romance alive? Well, you have date night. You go somewhere and you have some delicious food. I don't know. Do you still have date night with my stepfather, Jonathan? I have date night every night because it's just the two of us now. But you don't... But I make an effort. You know, I cook a nice dinner if we're home. Do you still hold hands? Jonathan's never held my hand. Never? No, he holds it like a waste disposal bag. He doesn't know what to do with a hand. He's the least physically affectionate person Apart from when there's one thing on his mind But otherwise It's true He can't hold hands He feels really awkward holding hands He's really He's not a hugger He's not like that But you're quite a hugger Hugely Why do you think I hug you all the time And hug Ziggy all the time And hug the dogs all the bloody time I have to get it from everyone else I also need to tell you this story because I just find it so funny.

17:59Every single... If you go to my mum's house, it's my mum's house in the country, it's lovely. And we go there and we all have a meal time and there's two dogs there. We've got Truffle, one of the dogs... No, no, don't tell them. I know what you're going to tell. This is just so awful. And we have Truffle and we have Darcy, the two dogs. Truffle, who's the oldest, sweet little terrier. Every single night after dinner, finished dinner, he comes in with a red towel. Your Radley towel. A red, my old school towel, brings it in with the mouth, drags it in. And I went, what's that? Once more, he goes, he jumps up on a shelf to get it.

18:33He gets a shelf, gets it, brings it in and puts it by mum's leg and just sits there waiting. And mum goes, oh God, all right, Truffle. No, I don't. You do? I didn't. I said, you don't do this anymore. This is when I saw it. You pick it up and Truffle then shags the towel. Basically my mother Is wanking off her dog Oh god I am not And then he does his business And then he leaves And you do it every night Just a typical male Eat, shag, sleep That's what he thinks I don't, we don't do it We stopped doing it And we have not done it for a long long time Then you came down for the weekend and thought it was funny to have a look Okay listen I don't think the listeners want to hear about that.

19:22Well, maybe they do. I don't know. Maybe people relate to it. Maybe there are other people out there who relieve their dogs. I don't know. I don't know. Oh, God. I don't want to think about it. No. I don't want to know. Listen. Yeah. Should we go into listeners' messages, Mara? What do you think about that? Yeah. Okay. It's time for listeners' messages.

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22:54K and I'm obsessed. I've become one of those annoying runners. Well done you. There we go. Nice. That was until a couple of weeks ago when I was out on my run and to my absolute horror realized I was desperately in need of a poo. I live in the countryside. So do I. So there were no shops or anything. Shops? What are you going to do in a shop? Or anything nearby? Just feels perfect. Just feels. Sit down. And I was at least a mile from home. So obviously I immediately started panicking. Don't panic. Use a dock leaf. Honestly, just sit down. What, poo into a dock leaf? No, you poo on the ground, use a dock leaf to wipe up.

23:29Or you just rub your ass on the ground. I'm reading. Quiet. My stomach was cramping. I was sweating. It was horrendous. God, I know I've been there. So I thought, well, there's only one option. I'm going to have to do a Paula Radcliffe. You go, girl. I dropped my shorts, crouched on the side of the trail. The relief was honestly next level, except my ordeal wasn't over. As I pulled my shorts up, I looked down the track and saw a man and his dog coming towards me. They were both looking at me, dead in the eye. They'd seen everything. I had no idea what to do, so I just started running. Flee the scene.

24:01I didn't stop until I got home. I'm still completely mortified. And needless to say, I haven't run down that track since. But honestly, listen, Anonymous, do not worry. You're never going to see that man again. Well, you might have. And he's not going to recognize you. Well, I haven't. Everyone's done that once. Have you? Yes. What happened? In Nepal. Okay, explain. I had to go and have a pee. And so I did it on a riverbank. And when I looked up, all the Nepalese were lined up looking at me. And your father just said to me, you're never going to see them again. Stop worrying. And it's true. I've never seen them again.

24:35Okay. All right, here we go. I got one. This is a story about my first day at a new school. But as a teacher, not a student. It was my first time as a proper teacher running classes solo. and I prepared every lesson painstakingly with presentations and slideshows for every class. Sweet. I was quite nervous to start, but everything was going smoothly until my first lesson after lunch, when the deputy head interrupted my lesson with a knock on the door and asked if I could step into the corridor. In my head, I was thinking, I'm a teacher. How could I possibly be in trouble already? He awkwardly asked me whether I'd used any school computers that morning.

25:09I had. In the staff room, I signed into my personal cloud, downloaded my teaching materials. He then showed me his laptop, which was downloading the entire contents of my photo library onto it. Turns out every teacher's computer was doing the same, including my holiday photos. Selfies of moles and rashes I was worried about. And worst of all, snaps between me and my boyfriend, which are completely, absolutely not safe for work. I literally abandoned my lesson to sprint back to the staff room and sort it out, in the hope that I could reverse it before at least some of my new colleagues got to know me too well.

25:47This was a few years ago now and I'm still working at the same school and to this day I have no idea who saw and I'm too embarrassed to ask. On the bright side, I just got made deputy head. Way! So I think I got away with it but to this day it's absolutely mortifying to think about. That's probably why you got made deputy head. The head thought, I've got to have that girl in there. Have you ever taken a nude? A nude? I don't even know why I've asked this. Absolutely not. Of myself? You've never sent a nude? No. You've never sent a nude? No. Have you ever received a nude? Darling, I am the girl.

26:17Okay. Okay, if I was naked with a man, I used to walk backwards out of the room so he couldn't see my bottom. Why would I send him a nude? I did. Why? Because I was never confident about my body. I was always wearing... You would walk backwards? Back out of the room. I didn't want him looking at my bottom. It was big. Why was I going to send him a nude? Not in a million years. Never going to happen. I think I might be your oldest viewer at 63. Oh, I bet I've got older ones. My youngest daughter came back from uni to live with us over the summer and every Monday she'd sit in the kitchen watching your show.

26:58I watched a couple of episodes with her and now I'm hooked. I cannot believe it. If I'd watched a couple of episodes, I'd have turned it off and said it's just too rude. That's what I would have done. I've also just become a grandma for the first time Congratulations! Isn't it great? And it's the most magical feeling in the world My lovely son and his wife spent six years trying for a baby Oh, and it's been a really long and difficult journey for them This August, they welcomed baby Ava into the world And she's stolen all of her hearts Of course she had, she's so special Thank you for always making me laugh on a Monday Oh, now I'm proud of you and for giving me the perfect excuse to call my youngest and have a little catch up with her now she's heading back to uni.

27:42I love this. Love to you both. That is the nicest, nicest letter. And that makes me proud of you. So there you go. Because you're giving people a little bit of pleasure. We give... Just like me and Truffle. Well, listen, everybody. If you want to send us a message, please do. You can send it to at Newly Parents Podcast on Instagram or you can send us an email on newlyparents at jambo productions.co.uk everything is in the show description Penny do you want to persuade them to send it in? Do you want to say anything? Yeah send them in they're great we love reading your messages What type of messages do you want to be sent in?

28:16Touching ones Oh nice like sentimental ones Sentimental touching happy ones Nice Successful ones Oh brilliant Any rude ones? No I don't like the rude ones Okay we won't do the rude ones I don't want to hear about where you've had sex I really don't That's the end of Listeners Messages

28:38I want to ask you just a few questions again, because this is obviously about parenting. Yeah, and I'm your parent. You're my parent. What do you think the best way to parent is? Never let them down. Nice. I think that's the most important thing. Your children should know that by demonstration, you know we love you. I always used to say to you, don't be scared, I will always get to you. Do you not remember that? I do remember that. When you were at school, you used to ring me up and say, when there was a petrol strike, you said, how will you come and get me? And I said, I promise you, Jamie, I'll never not be there.

29:11I'll always be there. That's very lovely. And I think that's really important. Yeah. And I think it's really, really important for fathers of daughters to make their daughters realize that they're the most beautiful thing to them in the world. Because what you're saying is, if a daughter knows their father loves them, then they can love themselves in therapy. And then they choose a right, the man, they don't go trying, you know, if you have confidence in that you're worth it, you're worthwhile, because your father loved you more than anyone in the world and told you you were perfect, you're just a much more secure person.

29:49I love this. I love this. Okay, another question that I want to ask you, because you're of that age, right? What do you think about euthanasia? So pro. I am assisted dying to the end. I'm off to Basel when the moment comes. I'm not hanging around. But your sister says, I can't do that because I'll be using up your inheritance to do it. Why are you laughing? Wait, so, sorry, I was kind of, you would not even euthanise yourself. Yes, definitely. Would you tell me you're going to do it? Yeah, I don't, I think it'd be a bit mean if you just got the email after I was dead, saying, when you get this email, I'm in Switzerland and I've gone.

30:28I think that's a bit mean. I think we should have a farewell blast. are you really you pro it you're pro it i'm so pro it thing is jamie yeah inevitably probably yeah more likely than not i will end up on my own because my husband's older than me okay and if i can't go to the loo on my own i'm not gonna hang around and you know if i can't oh god i want to die like my aunt died auntie bar do you remember auntie bar god she was i'd love to be on love um Um, she was 97 and she went out to lunch with some friends and she had a gin and tonic before lunch. She had Dover sole and two glasses of wine for lunch.

31:11And then they drove her back to her house and they decided that they would sit in the garden while her friend's husband went round her garden and had a look at it. And she sat down on the bench with her friend and her friend said, are you all right, Bart? And she said, I'm fine, my duck. Put her head on her shoulder and died. how about that way to go bar she just died that is so romantic right i don't know how we got into this morbid conversation but it's interesting right i sent you a question once saying i have five questions that every son or daughter should ask their mother so i asked you them and this is what if you're listening to this or you're watching this these are great questions to ask your parents because you have this amazing thing called time so this is what i asked if you could if you could relive one day with me, which would you choose?

31:59Was there an occasion I made you sad and never apologized? When did I make you most proud? And are you proud of the person I've become? If you could map my future, what would it look like? What advice would you give me when I become a parent? Right? What did I say? Do you want to know your response? Yeah. Your response was this. If I could relive one day, I would like to be on a junk, which is a boat in Hong Kong, with you and our family, friends and your cousins and where we were all happy. I have a picture of you hugging me, which reminds me of that day. That's so true. You're getting emotional.

32:36Okay, so the next question was an occasion I made you sad and never apologized. You put so many days that you made me sad and didn't apologize, but I never didn't love you more than life itself. But those days are past now. Yeah, they are. Next question. Are you proud of the person I've become? you said, I am so very deeply proud of who you've become. You said that. I said, if you could map my future, what would it look like? You said, your future map from me would be a committed husband, a devoted father, and a really good person. And on parenting, you said, teach them to be resilient and take life's knocks.

33:12Teach them to get up again and keep going and never lie. You can get many things back in life but not your integrity wow well done mommy i thought it's quite profound freaking profound as anything god i'm good that's very freaking good so someone's listening to this right now maybe they're going through a breakup maybe they're having a tough time maybe they're being single maybe people are ghosting them what would you say to that person it always works out it really does and just have keep the faith because there's a there's just such a big life out there then there's so much more time than you think yes when my marriage broke up i literally thought the world had ended i didn't know what to do i didn't know how i was going to carry on and i had you five kids at home and i just thought you know how do we get through it and you know what i thought i'm past it i'm 42 that's what i was and now i think god i was so young there is so much more time than you realize to live a life so if you're someone's in their young 20s maybe and they just had the biggest breakup their heart is hurting they don't know what to do with themselves and they're on facebook or instagram or tiktok they're on social media seeing their ex doing different things that's the worst what would you say to that person i will say don't look that's the first thing really don't shut it down because all that does is lance the abscess again every single night and you just cry and cry it's the worst pain cut it dead cut it dead and it will take a year is it always a year?

34:42I think it's a year till you feel better a lot better and four years till it doesn't hurt Jesus Christ I don't know if this is good advice four years well that's a marriage do you think four years? maybe not a boyfriend the tsunami of grief and pain that the end of a marriage causes I tell you what though you do get very thin every cloud Every cloud is a silver lining. And then when you perk up, the world's your lobster. Trust me. Is that the saying? Before we go, have you ever tried drugs? Oh, jeez. I have tried drugs. I think I've told you this before. Did you? You smoked weed? I did smoke weed.

35:24I didn't really like it that much. Lethargic. It gave me a headache. I was going to stop laughing. And then I had a headache. I had an ecstasy. What happened with the ecstasy? I didn't like that either. Did it work? No, I got obsessed about my boyfriend at the time's knees.

35:42I kept thinking he had really lovely knees, I could see, but no. And then I got a headache. Always. Always getting a headache. Wait, is this in your 40s? Yeah, you're all at boarding school. Where's all the kids? You're all at boarding school. That's why I sent you to boarding school. I'm crying at boarding school. You're out taking ecstasy. I'm smoking weed in the kitchen, taking ecstasy, and I have a 10 year younger. And sleeping around. Yeah, with men who are 10 years younger. Jesus Christ. I lived in my 40s. All right, well, there's inspiring for anyone who's listening. Right, listen, I want to say that's the end of the episode, but we love every single one of you.

36:18And Penny, you'll come back, won't you? All the time. Thank you for coming on. Anything you want to say to the listeners? Yeah, I want to shout out to that sweet girl on the flight the other day who stood up in her seat and said, it's Jamie's mum. I sent you a note. Oh, you did. Nancy, and you didn't do anything about it, as usual. Mum does this the whole time. She meets someone and says, can you give them a shout out? I'm like, sorry, I don't know who Dave is or Nancy is who live down the road or you meet on. You meet someone called Nancy and Nancy has a cream company. And then mum says, can you please talk about this cream company?

36:52Mum got me a present once and she gave it to me as a present and said, can you post on your Instagram because I got a discount. He said I'd post it on Instagram. anyway listen I love you you're the best Penny thank you so much for coming on everyone don't remember we're going to be back next week Sophie's back she's back baby so until then okay remember you can get in touch Newly Parents Podcast on Instagram newlyparents at jampodproductions.co.uk send us all your messages we want to hear from you connect, subscribe do all those kind of things and we can see you next week if you're getting married have fun if you're getting divorced I promise you it gets better if you're single and you're having a great time yeah I'll make the most of it Yeah, and if you're just like living life.

37:32Life is long, much longer than you think, guys. And then just go to Switzerland at the end. Puzzle. All right, everybody, see you next week. Goodbye.

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