Get off at Swindon before your arse starts to hurt (with Pixie Lott)

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0:40Greetings, everybody. In at number one.

0:47The Cheltenham Festival Appearance by Off Air with Jane and Fee. This will be happening on... What an anticlimax. I've just realised I don't know. No, so the only date that I could think of was the 12th of August, but that's today because we're allowed to announce this. That's when we're allowed to announce this. Okay, you look up the date, I'm going to say, very slowly, but with great import. Our guest will be none other than the relentless jumpsuit wearer, Annika Rice. Woo! Annika has a memoir out, which will be extraordinarily entertaining. evening i've got all of the time in the world for annika rice actually i think her her professional story is really interesting she was completely knocking through the glass ceiling uh way before many other women managed to and she was terrific to watch on tv all of that running around and then jumping in helicopters so so mad but then she did some extraordinarily good things with her fame including supporting some causes that just weren't particularly fashionable at the time so we've got that to talk about she then had quite a few years in the wilderness she would say this herself and she bounced back in and she in recent years has taken up stand-up she has appeared sometimes on times radio she's obviously been busy writing a book and she's just very very funny and self-deprecating about her own place in the world but i've walked through busy places with Annika Rice and she's still one of the most recognisable people in the country.

2:26And you forget that. You forget that. That actually she had proper, proper fame land on her doorstep, which had personal consequences as well. Have I bigged it up and did that give you long enough to look up a date? So I've got in touch with our exec, Rosie. Yes. I said, when is Cheltenham in capitals? Quick. It is Thursday the 15th of October at 3.30. Brilliant. There you go. Confirmed. Book your tickets, because also we do this funny thing, don't we, where we will talk to Annika Rice for half an hour, but then we will carry on afterwards, because that's the time of our on-air show. So we will do some pretty dynamic on-air junctions where you'll be part of the live show if you're in the audience, and then we'll carry on chatting to you as the Cheltenham audience afterwards.

3:17So it's got jeopardy. It's very technically difficult. It's got everything, isn't it? absolutely everything book your tickets now it'd be really really lovely to see you there okie dokie other things that we need to mention as well i'm off next week so it will be the if you and i are the tugboat even fee what boat do you morph into when jane garvey lands back in port well quite a temporary dinghy because i'm only there on the monday Eve Eve, Eve, Eve where are you for the rest of the week? I'll be in Turkey Oh my gosh Right, I would like to hear from Eve's boyfriend's mum again because when you wrote in before what's her name?

4:02Sophie Sophie, I'm so sorry Sophie, when you wrote in before we felt that there was a mild bit of piss taking going on about Eve's addiction to holidays but actually it's problematic, isn't it? It's problematic You're going to Turkey Going to Turkey with my family. When did you get back from Greece, just to remind us? About ten days ago. And then did you go to St Marlow after that? That was just before. That was just before. I mean, it's easy to lose track, Eve, isn't it? Oh, my God. Right, so who will Eve, no, your Eve, who will Jane, Jane, that's her name, I'm joking, who will Jane be doing the podcast with?

4:38So it'll be me and Jane on Monday with a sprinkling or a big dollop of Robbie Millen. Yeah. And then it'll be Hannah with Jane Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Brilliant. Okay. And you're off for two weeks. I am, yes. So then Hannah will do it the next week with Jane for two days and then I'm back for two days. Well done. Where are you off to? No, don't try and chase conversation. Where are you going? Do you think that you'll manage to fit in another little holiday between September and Christmas? I've got Marseille booked. You've got Marseille booked. She's got Marseille booked. What's going on?

5:13I hope HR are listening. Someone's got a diary. Let's cross off the days that Eve takes as holiday. Oh, 165, you say? Interesting. So important to relax. Isn't it? Isn't it, Eve? Oh, good for you. God, I mean, your 20s should absolutely, no, they should be. If you're lucky enough to be in work, and actually some of that is, like in your case, it's obviously talent and hard work too thank you then no you should you should do all the things that you want to do why not have a great time have a great time thank you we are going to Suffolk for a nice long weekend because me and the late in life one we just we really really love Suffolk's quietness you have quite a Suffolk affiliation we do we're having a love affair with the big big blue skies of Suffolk And in fact, we're going quite near to Dunwich, which is where the terrible moorland fire was a couple of weeks ago.

6:13So we will go and pay our respects. It was part of a nature reserve, wasn't it? They think that 25 species of birds might have been for a very, very, very long time. And that is truly sad. So we're in Suffolk for a long weekend. It's then my mum's very, very octogenarian birthday. I never know whether mum wants her age put out there, so we'll just say she's in her 80s, so every birthday is wonderful. And then we are off to Norway. Oh, yes, you continue your tour. Our tour of non-scorcio. Yes. EES countries. What will the temperature be? It's about 1920 degrees. Wow, very civilised. Yeah, very civilised indeed.

7:00and it's the exact holiday that I tried to take my kids on just before the lockdowns. So we had it all booked. We were staying in a lovely Airbnb and Oslo is an amazing city. Have you ever been? I've never been. Eve, you should go. I don't know where you'd find the time, but you should go. It's embraced its modern spirit and its environmental spirit. So it's hugely pedestrianised. It's got an incredible harbour. You can get to the mountains, which have wolves in them, on the metro. It's just a very different city. It's a very, very different way of living. So I visited it for work. I made a documentary there actually about pedestrianisation.

7:43Stay awake, everybody. I do think it might be the key to happiness. Yeah, well, so many people are happy. They'd done this thing where they'd surveyed as many people as they could in oslo and forgive me if i get any of these facts wrong it was quite a long time ago um and a lot of people had objected to the notion of pedestrianization but they put it in anyway and something astonishing i think after three or four years of pedestrianization they went back to the people and said actually who would now like it removed and i think 87 or something said no we'd like it to stay so it's just one of those things that of course it feels like your liberty and choice is being taken away from you if someone says get out of the car but actually what you might gain from it is really really wonderful and you don't know it until you're in it uh so gosh that went off on a terribly bbc world service tangent didn't it the peckham high street rye lane is only open to buses and bikes so for some it feels slightly more pedestrianized because the buses don't come down all that often yeah so you do kind of everyone's walking all about and it is one of the reasons I really, really enjoy living there.

8:57It's not Oslo. People aren't quite sat out in gorgeous cafes in the same way. But you are more likely to get there and have that way of life if you take cars out of, you know, central areas. I mean, it's just a fact, isn't it? So, yeah, but we're going for the floating saunas. They've put a zip wire on their ski jump. So there was a Winter Olympics held in Oslo, so they've got a massive ski jump. It's now a zip wire. How mad is that? that I'm going to do it. We need footage. Are you going to wear one of those little cameras on your helmet? I might have a GoPro. I might, I might. And I can't wait, actually.

9:35When we had to cancel the whole holiday, I think literally we had to cancel it two days before we were meant to go as the lockdown's encroached upon us. So it's taken us a very long time to get back there. Long overdue. Yep. But I can't wait, actually. So we will report back. With footage of the zip file. With footage, yes. With footage of the zip file. my kind of adult children they cannot believe that i'm going to do it because you know my most favorite and an oft used maternal sound is and they've had that their entire childhood they're like you're gonna do that yes i am it's gonna be an exercise sound by the end of the holiday right now you made a very good point that we've had such lovely time just chatting on the podcast as we haven't done enough emails.

10:21We haven't got through many. So quite a few we are going to keep until Jane and I are reunited. So that is definitely going to include ones about hair loss. And I think we'll include ones about hearing as well, because that would be worth having a really serious conversation about too. So Jo is in Yorkshire and describes herself as a 57-year-old suggestible woman, always caught out by Instagram adverts and buying rubbish from faraway lands. So when you suggest a book or TV show, I'm pretty much always in. We're knee deep in mother-in-law end of life visiting at the hospice and trying to keep positive as she's had a great 91 years.

10:59Well, we send love and thoughts because even though that is a great 91 years, it is still such a difficult time, Jo, isn't it? So after listening, Jo goes on, a few days ago to feed say she found a great show that was really funny with Steve Carell in it. I thought it would help us unwind. Search for Rooster, found a show called Roosters. obviously thought they were the same one season down and no sign of an american comedian husband said i like this show but the dubbing from the netherlands is difficult to hear i still had a slight doubt as this show wasn't hilarious it's about four men open marriages divorce and tinder dates so after a particularly hard day at the hospice i do i just would love to have been on your sofa joe with you waiting for steve carell to emerge into this after a particularly hard day at the hospice, I got home and Googled the show to see where it was filmed and screamed, oh my God.

11:51I realised there was a show with Steve Corral set in America called Rooster. It doesn't have an S on the end of it. I've just watched one episode tonight after catching up on the other Roosters. So now we've got two shows to finish. We're emotionally tired and we now have two Roosters to deal with. And Joe goes on to say, I was also one of those people who books tickets to Berwick-on-Tweed last year, thinking it was closer to me. And an easy day trip it wasn't but i made it and slept in a shepherd's hut somewhere in a field nearby joe says i need to listen better and take things slower well to be honest joe it sounds like you're having the last laugh there uh so but i am sorry about the roosters thing because yes that is that is very very different easily done yeah and i i'd be interested to hear your thoughts about rooster with steve carell when you're more than a couple of episodes i love the idea that steve where I might have been some niche character that makes an appearance in episode five.

12:45Suddenly, with a group of Dutch men obviously experiencing some late in life curiosity. I don't know what that would be. It comes for us all. Another TV recommendation comes in from Judith. I'm dropping by to recommend The Undeclared War, Channel 4, two series set in GCHQ. Jane went to GCHQ once. Did she ever tell you about that? Only eight times. with some very interesting material on social media bots and manipulation plus hacking, a stellar cast and some beautiful cinematography. Huge thank you for reading my email last week. Sorry about the swearing. Don't apologise. There's plenty. It's very welcome here, actually.

13:27I'm attaching a photo taken this morning of the wildflower meadow at King's College being harvested as a palate cleanser. It's being harvested by a horse and plough. Isn't that incredible? That is incredible. Yeah. Can I see? Look, it's very Yoldi-Woldi. Oh, wow. In front of King's College, Cambridge has not had a good summer, has it, Eve? No. I know, and I'll tell you what it does. It makes you sing from the rafters if you've been to the University of Canterbury. And any other universities. It's, I mean, yeah. Cambridge will survive. It will survive. Questions definitely need to be asked. Bizarre Dolls Names.

14:11Listening to your chat on Dolls Names last week reminded me of a giant stuffed panda that my dad won for me at a fun fair in about 1985. Three-year-old me named him after my favourite celebrity at the time, Telly Wogan. That's lovely, Emily. That's very good. Absolutely lovely. Did I give you some other emails? You did give me some. This one is from Jo. It's titled Chickens and Biscuits. She said she's a fairly new but avid listener. this is my third email I think and I'm a bit behind with episodes apologies if I'm late to the party story of my life I'm sure that's not true I was interested to hear the listener who hit her favorite hobbly knobbly ice creams I think she means knobbly boblies under frozen veg in her freezer with two grown-up sons living in my house no snack is safe so I have taken to hiding certain items, biscuits mainly, around the kitchen.

15:05The problem is that A, my hiding places aren't very good and they find them, and B, I forget where I put them. The other day I found some dark chocolate in my spare oven glove, which was a bit of a surprise, albeit a nice one. My new hiding place is the glove compartment of my car. Yes, I know it sounds extreme, but as a perimenopausal woman of 53, I do need the occasional treat. If you haven't tried Sainsbury's Taste the Difference chocolate chip and pistachio biscuits you should keep up the good work i love your chats all the best joe well i i identify with that so much i'd worry that something would melt in the glove compartment well it does but it doesn't it doesn't make it uh any the less edible i don't think so i've got a couple of melted uh tony's chocolate bars in the glove box of the car just in case i get caught in really extreme weather conditions somewhere between dalston and islington and actually my son was in the car the other day and he opened the glove box and found them and said oh i never realized that there were compartments in the car where are these kids well you have to be grateful because if he had realized then that chocolate wouldn't be there yeah but now he knows yeah he knows where the tony's is my mom used to drink diet coke out of mugs so that we would think it was black coffee because otherwise we would drink her diet coke when we were children and we probably shouldn't have been having it so that's kicked off my addiction but then we learned that we could just smell it and figure out the difference and you'd be able to hear it as well it worked for a little while yeah well i admire her i mean and also i well i mean she she wouldn't be the last uh parent uh to put something different in a mug in order to be able to have a little bit of adult time, tea time, only after six o 'clock though, but it's always six o 'clock somewhere.

17:00I had to laugh at your comments. This one comes in from another Jane about your trains from Bath to Paddington. Nothing wrong with Bath, Bath, or even Brizzle, for that matter, as a day out from London. But to say that the trains are comfortable, well, Jane disagrees. You must have been travelling in the large, comfortable seats in first class. Because come into GWR cattle class, like the rest of us, where the seats are generally known as bum numbers. Sit in one for over an hour and your bum will be numb, I promise. That's if you get a seat. Jane is currently on a cross-country from Truro to Worcestershire Parkway, and that is a journey and a half.

17:39Well, very occasionally, I have done the weekend first. I'll admit that, Jane, if I'm taking a long train. But it's the same set of trains that I travelled to get to Swindon. And maybe it's only 53 minutes to Swindon. If I'd stayed on for another seven minutes, then my bum would be numb. Maybe I'm just getting in while the buttocks are still not so criminally put upon. That's a good tip. Get off. Get off. Before it gets numb. Yeah, it's just, well, do you know what? The Swindon Tourist Board could use that, couldn't they? get off at Swindon before your arse starts to hurt and you never know very little has worked in order to get people to get off at Swindon for a tourist attraction the alpaca farm is glorious and you've got the Jane Austen Engineering Work Centre as well that you can visit if you really wanted to I had no idea it was all going on in Swindon and you've got one of the most impressive but overwhelming TK Maxes that I've ever been in in my life I'm yet to go in an un-overwhelming TK Max Even the small ones are overwhelming, aren't they?

18:42But the very, very big ones is just too much. It's absolutely too much. I just, if I ever go into them, I just always come out with a black T-shirt that is the wrong size for me, but it costs£7.50, and some scented candles that I don't need or like. I mean, literally, it's like going to Ikea, which is also really discombobulating, and you just always come out with fairy lights. I often buy a coin purse. a coin purse brilliant how many you got then I just lose them or put them somewhere because I actually don't really use a purse anymore but then I always see them and their selection and I think I should get back to having a proper purse that's brilliant that is absolutely brilliant I bet everybody has a weird Ikea purchase which you just can't not buy you know that's probably how they're making their fortune yeah but it is too much and you know when you get to that warehouse bit at the end, by the time I get to the warehouse, I'm actually properly, properly scared.

19:43I always think everything's going to fall on top of me. It does feel like you've wandered into the wrong bit, like you shouldn't be allowed there. Very much so. We're not supposed to be in... Yeah. You can't reach in a warehouse. No, I can't reach. Of course I can't reach. Literally, all of our furniture is just from the bottom shelf of Ikea. And then you've got the 15 and under tills now, haven't you? Oh, God, have they introduced that? Oh, yes, they've introduced that. Oh, wait, sorry. People get so... I thought you meant... It was for teenagers to have a go. For all of the seven-year-olds who've been in the creche for the whole of the summer holiday.

20:25No, that would be funny.

20:32Oh, God, don't let them have a go. For the number of items. you're right that would just be hell on earth actually they might do it better than us that's true but there's always someone who thinks that you've bought a four pack of table mats and there's someone behind you going that takes you over the item number does it really would you like me to take out the individual dime bars yes more than 15 in a pack doll family names I've got crying tears of laughter after a couple of years ago my then three-year-old daughter created seemingly out of nowhere the family name of de bertie for a number of toys and dolls i can't remember them all but and de bertie ban de bertie have stuck with me that's from lizzie martha and the de berties it's quite delightful affectation that isn't it maybe we could all do that we could just add de to our title didn't dawn o porter do that when she married chris o'dowd she added an o in front of her last name yeah because she was just dawn porter yeah she made a little irish she put a little irish jig in it let's let's do the does because you would so so suit evelyn de salisbury yeah i mean it sounds like that was what it was meant to be and somebody's just dropped the duh over the years flover flover it does doesn't it and it just sounds like feeder feeder yeah Yeah, and I do like to cook, but don't all come round.

22:03Jane DeGarvey, that's all right. Yeah, again, Jane DeGarvey in the house. Yeah, it does sound a bit da, not da. Okay, we're on to something. Okay, so we've already established that there is a thing going on in terms of us hiding stuff from the kids. And in fact, parents hiding their drinks from the children too. What have you got on that one? This is from Carla. This is a bit more of a positive and open mother and son relationship. Generational love. I've really enjoyed hearing from Eve and Hannah recently. A couple of comments about learning things from them, then previous conversations about how we know our parents as parents but might not ask about their pre-parent lives got me thinking about not wanting to be just mum and wanting to share more.

22:49The first bit of action has been to set up a shared Spotify playlist with my 25-year-old son. We are both ADHDers, so we hatched the idea at midday, set it up by three. Then two hours later, we had five hours of music. There are now nine hours. We've both been adding songs that we love. What a great mix. It goes from Blondie through Namibian Twist back to CMAT, then swerves into Ray and Caroline Loeb, I think. It's so lovely to do this. Any more ideas from the off-airers? Our playlist is public and called 2026 Matt's Mushrooms. He's a chef. We debated the missing apostrophe, but, you know, life's too short.

23:28Love to you all, Carla. Brilliant. We totally forgive the apostrophe. Yes. It's not important to us. We're not going to get our knickers in a twist about that. What a lovely thing to do. Such a nice idea. Really, really nice. And it puts us to shame because we've slightly been slacking on of our playlist. We have, and we really meant to do one, didn't we, for everybody heading off on their sun lounges, but we didn't quite get around to it. When you and Jane are back together. what are ways that you have taught your children about your earlier life? Well, I mean, I largely direct them to some earlier editions of the Daily Mail.

24:03I find they can catch up with quite a lot there, Eve. Or my wiki page. No, I don't do that at all. I really don't. I really, really don't. The catsuit. The catsuit, yes. do you know what we do now they're of an age where they're going out and they're young adults we do talk obviously so much more about places that I used to go to places that they now go to and the weird thing because you know we are all living in the same London is how much still exists and also on music I mean you listen to stuff from what I would say was my generation without thinking about it don't you in a way that i wouldn't have listened to what was my mother's generation because it just wouldn't have been available to me and i would have felt that music had moved on but my kids will listen and can sing along to uh every single belter that i ever sang along to in the 90s it's extraordinary so you know um uh they love everything from blur through to the cardigans through to more chiba they were couldn't believe groove armada were on the podcast they love crowded house i mean it's just it's i find it so lovely so lovely to be able to share those things do you think it was because at that time there was such a renaissance happening that it's kind of lasted that we're now still listening like would it have such a lasting effect i think yes i think the sound of music changed more didn't it between let's say the 1950s to the 1980s which makes 1950s music sound very very different but from the 80s through to now it's the same synthesized music isn't it or maybe the same kind of rock music or whatever but it's technology Eve yeah because it's just there on the spot that's true it's all accessible yeah that's very very true but such a nice thing to do with uh you know the next generation because for me anyway, other people might find it in sport or in, you know, hobbies and interests and stuff like that.

26:12But I have found there to be no more bonding experience than to all be singing the same lyrics as we bob around in the kitchen or go somewhere in the car with no compartments. And you do think, wow, this is just lovely, actually, really lovely. the thing that also makes me laugh is of course your generation actually know the lyrics because they come up yes whereas in my generation you didn't really but you sang along anyway so you're finding out the actual words of the songs that you've known decades i'm being corrected as we go which almost makes you uncool but it's actually music from your generation i know but there are There are many times when I just keep quiet and just internally I just go, interesting.

27:01Noted. As we bob along to the chorus. Right, we have loved your emails this week. Any more on Bizarre Dolls Names. We've thoroughly enjoyed that one. And we would definitely take stories and experiences about sharing the generational stuff and maybe bridging that generational divide. And I was going to say something, Parish Notices there, but I can't remember what it was. Oh, playlists. Well, we should get another playlist. Yeah, once Jane gets back together, so it'll be a back-to-school playlist probably in that case, because it'll be a couple of weeks. Actually, I was looking through some playlists this morning.

27:39This is just a personal cry. I would absolutely love one that's a bit calming. I've got quite a lot of big bang-bonging playlists going down, so something that eases our passage through this very, very turbulent world at the moment would be lovely.

28:23Apple Watch Series 12 conditions. Requires iPhone 11 or later. So on the summer merry-go-round that is the afternoon show, it means today I will be doing the show with Roya Nika, who is the Sunday Times Royal Editor. So the interview that you're about to hear is between Roya Nika and Pixie Lott, and I will leave it to Roya to explain the rest. Pixie Lott has been carving out a career as a singer-songwriter since the age of 15 when she signed with Universal Music Group. Her 2009 debut album, Turn It Up, featured two UK number one singles and sold one and a half million copies. In 2016, she played Holly Golightly in Breakfast at Tiffany's on the West End, and she's also been a coach on The Voice Kids UK.

29:10Now, she's back on stage portraying another Hollywood heavyweight, Marilyn Monroe. Who Killed Marilyn explores the true Marilyn Monroe, or Norma Jean, the name she was born with beyond the glamorous facade. Pixie told me how the play challenges what we think we know about Marilyn Monroe. I think it shows a completely different side of Marilyn to what we're all used to. And it's just the whole story is from her perspective. But it just really shows how strong she is, how intelligent she is. she does flick in and out of being Marilyn Monroe but most of the play is told from her real self her Norma Jean self.

29:55Why do you think history has portrayed her as such a sort of a character who's a victim is it because a lot of the narrative around her has been retold by men what is it about her that has sort of seen her portrayed that way? Obviously the roles that she played in the films that we all know and love some like it heart the seven year itch etc um she's amazing on screen there's no one else like her so charismatic and she just glows and she is incredible in those roles um but the footage and all the clips that we have of her from that time are mostly of her as marilyn monroe there isn't uh much of her as herself at home so more of that side I guess is out there for people to see I mean this isn't your first appearance on stage you of course played Holly Gray lightly in Brexit Tiffany's you were in the Maiden Dagenham production at the Palladium what's the difference between for you when you go on stage do you feel what's the difference in the buzz kind of performing music as opposed to performing a play?

31:06I love anything live. I think that's what makes me the most excited because it's so in the moment. It's so pure. It's so anything can go wrong. And it's all about, you know, trying to stay in the moment and connecting with the audience. The plays that I've done before, there's always been like a fourth wall where, you know, you don't know that the audience is there. When I do my own gigs, I'm very much, you know, talking to the audience, looking into the audience, going into the audience. This play is a little bit of both, which is really interesting because it's Marilyn or Norma Jean telling her story.

31:48And so she is talking to the audience. So it's going to have a little bit of that. You break the fourth wall completely. And then there's like anecdotes of, you know, her telling the story with the actors in the cast, where you go back into that on stage moment. On your music, your latest single, Dance Like No One's Watching, you came to that in quite a different way to your previous music. You handed control over to your fans and asked them what they wanted to see and hear from you. Tell me a little bit more about why and how you did that. It's like the ultimate request. yeah it was um I just felt like you know using polls and um things on online that get your audience really involved has been really helpful and amazing I feel like it just makes you um you know connect with your audience I mean I'm making the music hopefully for them to enjoy So for them to say what they're up for hearing was amazing.

32:54And I kind of, I just put out a single that was more storytelling and more about juggling life as a mum and all this kind of stuff. And then, so for the next single, I gave an option of, would you like a storytelling song or a party party song? And I think as well, because it was just before the summer had begun, everyone was up for the party vibe. you put that question out there to your fans on instagram and obviously for you social media and for lots of artists is a is a brilliant very creative tool to get feedback from your fans to get your your music and your work out there more and more social media is sort of coming under scrutiny we've got this proposed ban for under 16s um that the government's proposing where do you stand on that do you do you sort of see in your line of work that social media is a force for good or there are issues there?

33:47I think it has been really great for me connecting with people and, you know, with music. And it really helped me at the beginning of my career with finding my audience. And I had MySpace and then I had Twitter and it was a really big part of my early releases for sure. And there's great things about it, like inspiration, you know, So but I do think the band for the under 16 is a great thing because I, you know, I'm always trying to find ways to not be on my phone scrolling, especially now I'm a mom and I'm looking after my two boys. I want to be outside in the nature, playing with them, even for myself.

34:34You know how great you feel when you're not on screens and you're away from it. So I think anything that's in there to implement that and to help that and to take the pressure off and get people creating things and being outside. And there's so much great stuff you can do away from it. I think, you know, you don't need to get into it too early. I think the band is a good thing. You started out, I mean, you released your first single, I think, 17 years ago. What are the sort of key shifts in the music industry that you have noticed? Is it a better time now to be a woman in the music industry? Is it a worse time?

35:12What do you think? I think it's just a completely different time. And you do have to go with the times. But I was very used to how I all started out with my first single. It was completely different how it worked with release schedules and promotion and like radio and downloading songs. And obviously it all turned into streaming and then social media changed everything as well. And that is the main focus really now, I think, for artists coming up. There's pros and cons. I think, you know, now it's great that artists have way more control and, you know, you can release your song. You can write a song in your bedroom and release it the next day or the same day.

35:59And there's thousands of songs being uploaded every day to streaming sites. But the thing against that is that there's so many songs now being released every day. How do you cut through? Do you feel you have more control over what you release now? And you talked about sort of before it was much more at the behest to kind of, you know, the record companies, a schedule, touring. Do you feel you have more control over your output and your work and your art now? Yeah, definitely. I think just from, you know, I started out so young and I started making my first album when I was like 14 and signed a deal at 15 and just been doing it my whole life.

36:39Now I'm 35 and what I've learned and how I've grown and just like, you know, life experience and being in the business for so long. I definitely have more control now and just know more what I want to do and what I want to spend my time on. especially being a mum as well and just like how I want to yeah prioritise things and what I want to do so yeah it feels really great in that aspect and is the music industry accepting of that of you taking control and prioritising your life around you mentioned you've got two young boys yeah yeah I think it's becoming a lot more of an accepting place in that artists are taking back control you know you hear stories of lots of artists now leaving their record labels or making their own ones and releasing and then with that it means you are literally calling the shots making the decisions I can speak to my audience online and they say they want the party party song great let's put one out before it would have had to have gone through so many different people they would have had to that then you would have had to have waited half a year for that production to go there then sign the producer agreement it just goes like back and forth back and forth back and forth and you just have to wait and wait and wait and wait whereas now which as an as a creative person when you when you're making us when you write a song and and you're excited about it and it's also a song about your life at the moment you don't want it to come out six months later because you've moved on and you're not excited anymore so the freedom of now is great that you can write something get excited about it and be like right let's finish it and let's put it out that for me is really freeing and it definitely didn't work like that when I was growing up your mum to two young boys uh does motherhood change change your approach to your work at all has it changed your voice at all or how you perform um it has I think it's just changed my overall perspective on what I prioritize definitely um I mean logistics are definitely harder I have to think of you know more people and um you know stopping on the way or that anything could happen when they come to festivals with me and we've got to make sure we pack the ear defenders and we've got the you know the milk and the snacks on the rider and all this kind of stuff um but that's got to be the most low-key rider ever milk and snacks oh we still have some fun oh good good but um yeah we've got to think of the babies now but i think it's um yeah it's just prioritizing and and it makes you even more you know want to do the things you want to do and um say no to the things you don't want to do you know hopefully they learn that along the way as well roya nika in conversation with pixie lot so even i will return tomorrow and we would love some more emails from you jane and fee at times.radio is the email address stay cool everybody if you're listening to this before the eclipse i hope it was magical and also a bit weird because it's meant to be a bit weird isn't it i hope you didn't look at it directly and if you are listening to us very early on thursday morning oh my goodness we are predicted to be 38 degrees in london town so happy chafing everybody

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