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2:13Welcome to Tuesday's edition of Off Air with Jane and Fee with Jane and Hannah. Hiya. Yeah, there she is. It's the voice of Huddersfield. What pipes you've got, honestly. fantastic yeah so eve was here yesterday and obviously she can't spare as much time because of her holiday schedule i know her holiday addiction yeah well it's bordering on holiday addiction or am i just being unfair i'm probably just jealous it's an addiction it's an addiction anyway she was moaning yesterday she has seen the size of the case she had by the way did you see it i did and that's the thing she leaves herself no time does she say she's going straight from work on holiday she doesn't spare a minute i couldn't live like that anna i know she's crazy yeah she's Absolutely crazy.

2:53Massive case. She did claim it was for her and her boyfriend. I don't know. I think it was just her, if I'm honest. And there was a late night flight as well. I couldn't do one of those. No. No. To Gatwick. She had to go to Gatwick. She had a flight at 10 o 'clock. She went straight from work. Yeah, I know. So could you... Are you telling me you couldn't do that either? No, I mean, I could if I had to. I wouldn't choose to. You see, I just couldn't. But I'm no Eve. No. She's impressive. She's very impressive. but so are you she said quickly and we do need to say that hannah um we sound like we're i'm really on message mandy here but i kind of am with this because you are a news uk former apprentice is that right yeah so you're on you're only 24 yes yeah which is you know really significant and today you are just outline your work schedule today because it's impressive this yeah well Well, obviously Eve isn't here.

3:50So you're Eve. I'm doing a bit of Eve, but I'm also doing a bit of producing as well. Yeah. You're also being a bit of Fee as well. Also being a bit of Fee. I didn't even contemplate that. Being a bit of Fee. And then at 1.45, I'm nipping off to Downing Street, aren't I? Going to go sort it all out for us. Yeah. I always knew that the call would come, Hannah, and it has. Yeah, no, very surprising. um because i am a former apprentice i am following anna mihailova who's our brilliant political editor she's going to number 10 downing street today to chat with andy burnham's team about things that we can do on times radio and i'm i'm going along for the ride as well well i think it's fantastic and i honestly i really hope you enjoy it yeah i'm so excited and your nan we have mentioned her a few times she has been informed she does know that you're going it's quite hard to impress her?

4:46Has this impressed her? This has impressed her, but she gave me a few things that she'd like me to speak to Mr Burnham about. Should you see him? Should I see him, which I definitely won't. But she wants me to say, the thing is, Hannah, I do agree with the apprenticeships. I do agree with the apprenticeships. I said, oh, so you agree with Andy Burnham then? She went, I agree with the apprenticeships. And you can tell him that when he was health secretary, That's when I stopped supporting Labour. Oh, well, the conversation will certainly go off on one at that point, I suspect. But look, she's a woman of very firm opinions.

5:19I know. So I'm not going to tell him that. Not that I'm going to see him anyway. Because I don't know what that would mean to him. Probably knock him off his stride a little bit. You know, some would say he's quite full of himself. It might not do any harm to him. Anyway, a little dose of reality courtesy of your nan. Well, look, have a really interesting time. and I think you will be free to tell us something about it tomorrow, won't you? Hopefully. I've only been a few times myself, she said, turning the conversation around to myself, which Fee quite rightly often accuses me of. But it's an amazing, it's just a genuine thrill to cross that threshold, I think.

5:55Yeah, no, I am excited. And I'm very grateful to Times Radio as well, not to be another message man day, but for letting me do it. Because I don't think, I mean, I didn't think of it. It was sort of by David, our editor, I think. All right, stop bigging up these people. And Anna. I've gone too far now. But, you know, I don't think lots of people would think to let me go along and see it. I think one of the reasons, Hannah, is that you're very good. So maybe that's one of the reasons why they've allowed you to do this. Because you are astonishingly young and, you know, you've done really well. And I think particularly as we're sort of in exam results season, aren't we, with the A-levels last week and the GCSEs this week.

6:31And people, there's a lot of focus on university and everything else. but apprenticeships, if you can get one, sometimes they're exactly the right thing for you. I know. No, I was extremely lucky to get the apprenticeship. I wouldn't have been able to move to London under any other circumstance and it would have been really difficult to do an NCTJ because even that... What's that? That's the... So that's the national qualification for journalists. Right. Which, by the way, I don't have. Do you not? No. I mean, I know it's too late now. Why did I waste my time? I think it was different then. Go on.

7:03No, I think it was. But you need money to do that anyway, don't you? Exactly, you need money, you need to move to cities to do it. You know, I couldn't have moved down. Sorry, I meant to say couldn't. That is a Huddersfield thing, but I just swore I'm sorry. It's, you know, like didn't, didn't, shouldn't, shunned, couldn't. Sorry, everyone. I couldn't have moved down under any other circumstance. So I'm very grateful for that. And, yeah, I mean, it's brilliant. But it's so luck of the draw, or it was when I got one. So to hear that there might be more on the way, it suits people much better, some people.

7:39Some people just absolutely excel. And it is just hard to get a job. So many of my friends don't have jobs, or do have jobs, but not in what they'd like them to be in. AI is stealing all of the graduate jobs. People are over, you know, that story of high-flying, successful women being unable to get jobs. It was in The Times a few weeks ago. We talked about it, didn't we? And we're talking there about women in their late 40s and 50s who are, yeah, really struggling to get anywhere. It's just rubbish. I'd love to hear from parents who are trying to guide their young people through that job application process.

8:15Because, again, loads of people leaving university now or have left in the last couple of months. And, yeah, they're going to be doing that. Going up to their bedroom if they're lucky enough to have one and then starting to write job applications. You have to do hundreds. It's a horrible time. Yeah. And no one prepares you for it as well. Well, we've tried. That's cheered everybody up, hasn't it? But no, I think you're right. And I don't actually think, and I could be wrong, and I don't want to slag off institutions, but I'm not sure that universities properly prepare people for it. No. And it's a proper slog.

8:48It's a job in itself, getting a job. It is. And it takes lots of brain power, lots of resilience, when actually you're just probably exhausted from writing your dissertation. it's the last thing you want to think about you want to have fun with your friends yeah well fun with your friends has got to stop at some point that's what that's what i've told my youngsters uh anyway i'm really interested in what happens today so let us know what you can tomorrow you probably yeah you can tell us something about it can't you i don't you'll get it out of me anyway because i'm a great journalist in spite of the fact that i'm not a qualified one i wish i hadn't said that now um did you see the eclipse um i tried to i kept getting told off i I just looked at it.

9:29Right, no, you shouldn't have done that. No, I know. But you were here in the UK. Yeah. So I was on Kefalonia. Nothing. Oh, really? No, nothing at all. Nothing. I mean, nothing. Did you have the glasses? There was nothing to see. I was in a taverna. Oh, well, if you're inside, you'd probably miss it. No, no, it was an outside space. Just simply nothing happened in Greece. It just wasn't the thing. I did notice it went a tiny bit darker, but then the sun was setting as well, wasn't it? Because it was 7pm here. Right. So it's like, of course, it's getting darker. Okay, thanks. It is actually getting darker, isn't it?

10:03I noticed that last night. Also, the other thing that woke me up in the night, Hannah, rain. Yeah, and what people haven't discussed enough is what brilliant, brilliant drying weather we've had over the last seven or eight weeks in the UK. And look, I'm a middle-aged old git. In fact, I'm older than a middle-aged old git. But one of the thrills of the summer for me, and I know there have been so many downsides. We just need to honour the fact that I've been able to stick sheets in the machine at about seven in the morning and they'd be dry before I went to work. That is brilliant. I mean, that just, it's just something I'll never forget.

10:40What, 20 hours? Yeah, you'd stick them on the line. Yeah, they only need to be on the line for about 45 minutes. They were dry. That is good. Honestly, Hannah. But I guess the rain is welcome as well now, isn't it? Oh, yeah, no, it's hugely important. Even my fake grass looked a bit better. did actually do you hoover it um well i tentatively explored the world of a cut price leaf blower hannah and it didn't go well no so i'm back to raking my mum hoovers her fake grass does she yeah what with a normal normal hoover yeah right i'll say what have you done today she says i've hoovered the grass okay well uh britain of course is living in a northocracy with andy burnham in charge and it's it's thanks to the collective brain power of people like hannah's family um that we are where we are um if you do who for your easy grass don't tell us just keep it keep it quiet now this is apropos of absolutely nothing but it's from michelle oh i should say we do have a guest today thank god for that it's gabby roslin and she's talking about her new itv show the joy of pets and you don't get much joy from your pets do you so it's going to be interesting I get a certain amount of slightly reluctant companionship from my cat and I'm absolutely prepared to say so.

11:54The Joy of Pets is all about celebrating pets and actually, seriously, our responsibility towards them. So I've just watched a very short bit of the second programme in the series, The Joy of Pets, is about a corgi being neutered. And a corgi was in Virginia Water, which for some reason made, that's a very posh part of Surrey, for some reason made the whole experience seem i don't know even odder really that sounds american to me virginia water yeah i know what you mean it's it's it's high time that netflix set a series in virginia water and it won't be long before they do i'm quite sure anyway um this is from michelle um as you've had quite a bit of celebrity talk i thought i'd tell you about my encounter with antonio banderas right i was working in foils bookshop in the travel department on Charing Cross Road doing a kind of gap year.

12:46In came Antonio and Melanie Griffith. Do you remember that couple, celebrity couple? No. Right. And it was at the height of their fame. I can make a Google. Yeah, okay, you have a look. They were with their young son. They spent ages looking at the atlases and eventually bought our big ticket item, the Times World Atlas. It was 85 quid. As they were paying, they stood at the register canoodling and kissing. I was just so embarrassed and didn't know where to look, but also couldn't stop looking. I've got to say they were lovely to me and so obviously in love. It was made even nicer because the day before in the shop, someone had shouted at me while spitting on the floor, you Irish over here taking our jobs go back to where you belong that was my first ever encounter of anti-irish sentiment uh michelle well i'm sorry that happened to you how horrible um but lovely that you had that celebrity canoodling encounter with that couple i mean they're not a couple anymore sadly are they no that is sad isn't it when they're so in love well we've all been there hannah and then all of a sudden you're not but they were a couple and i think they were very much yeah they were they were proper nailed on celebrities um this is about glamorous athletes i don't know if you heard the podcast yesterday it's a bit of a trick here for hannah yes i had it on while i was cooking i had it on is not exactly the same as did you hear it well i hear enough of you both sat at the desk don't i to be fair that's true hannah has to live through the conversations that even i have uh whether they're recorded or not there's quite a lot of bickering that goes on it's all in good spirits though on the whole um no okay so i'll forgive you but we were talking about the european championships uh athletics and just actually how brilliant um so many of the british athletes have been uh notably the women uh amy hunt and dina asher smith um but um we did have an interesting email yesterday from a listener who just said look i mean it was amazing they're great but why do they have to look so incredibly glamorous.

14:55Yeah, they do look particularly glam. I mean, they were just incredible. So this is from, I will keep this one anonymous. I'm listening to your comments about how glamorous the female British athletes were in the European Championships. And I've got to admit, I did raise a bit of an eyebrow when Georgia Hunter-Bell immediately rearranged her hair for the cameras when she'd won gold in the 1500. But surely any judgment fades into insignificance when contemplating not only how incredibly well our team did, but also how amazing the camaraderie was between not only teammates, but also between competitors of different nationalities.

15:33I saw that too, and I thought that was lovely. The women's long jumpers almost had me in tears celebrating each other at the end of their event. And the GB men's relay runners celebrating Dina and Amy were also absolutely brilliant. So uplifting. What fantastic role models they are. I really hope the added glam increases coverage and broadens the appeal of a sport that can sometimes struggle for funding and commercial coverage. So I hear what you're saying. There is another side to this. This is from Marina. I had to write after listening to the conversation about female athletes and their meticulous presentation at the athletics.

16:13Anybody with intimate knowledge of girls with eating disorders will see this for the nightmare it is. One of the strategies parents are encouraged to use when trying to help a young girl recover from anorexia or bulimia is to emphasise the wonder of what our bodies can do, not what they look like. Female athletes have inadvertently carried a beacon for parents because they demonstrate the power of a healthy female body. Female athletes are role models who show girls how females can excel completely independent of their appearance. Their value in transmitting this message is immeasurable. Taking these powerful, hardworking, talented and healthy subset of women and reducing them to just another subset of women to be judged on how they look does invaluable damage to girls harmed by the unrealistic expectations already put upon them.

17:11Thank you. Marina describes herself as irritated and says, sorry for the rant but female sport is one of the few areas where women have been able to opt out of the optics to volunteer to opt right back in feels like extreme naivety at best or as a betrayal at worst i don't know where the betrayal is quite right but i hear the point it's passionately made and i suspect comes from some lived experience of eating disorders this is a really tough one isn't it it is difficult and it's just I would have never thought of it that way until hearing that and I do definitely understand yeah I mean there is it's a lot of pressure isn't it to put on athletes you know if she just wanted to have her nails done and make sure her hair was nice for that massive moment in her life that's also her own prerogative isn't it totally and I reserve the right to be a crop haired raging feminist but also dye my hair and have a pedicure so and i i really like doing those things because frankly they make me feel better so where does that all leave us i do think it's interesting that there's no doubt about this it's still a thing the the lionesses um there are some some members of the team brilliant players don't get the attention of some of the more, I'm going to say it, glamorous members of the team.

18:39They're all winners. They've all done great things. But we all know the names that are most widely recognised. Yeah. And there are other players who are brilliant at the sport but don't quite have the requisite look. I mean, it's just a plain fact. There are also some athletes who, because of the body shape they have, because of the sport they excel at, they don't get the attention either because you know marketing works and well we all know how it works god it's actually it's a fascinating world this but at times quite a troubling one yeah i think it's the same with celebrities aging as well isn't it it's like you get criticized or they get criticized when they get work done to stay looking younger and the ones who don't get work done lose work and don't aren't seen because they don't want one who looks their age it's just it's shocking it's it is it's absolutely shocking lots of pressure out there for people to contend with yeah no there is too much actually uh almost everywhere you look uh gross ablutions um what was the terrible experience that eve had had um oh she'd seen she was on a tube train was it when somebody was filing their nails and then no and then another passenger complained about the nail filing and anyway it was an interesting story um sarah here from perth ontario canada so that's Perth in Ontario.

20:00Must be, mustn't it? There must be lots of Perths then. Yeah, well, there's one in Scotland, one in Australia. It sounds like there's one in Canada as well. Is Perth the most overused place name? Tell us at Jane and Fee at Times.radio. I'm sure there'll be one in America as well. No, in America. New Perth. Oh, yeah, there probably is, isn't there? What is the most common name for a place? Something to do with a bridge. Is that all right? I was... Oh, is there actually one? I was just thinking. I don't know, I'm just thinking. I don't know. Have a Google. Try this one, says Sarah. A couple flossing their teeth after a dry chicken in-flight meal in cattle class on an Air Canada flight.

20:42I was the third passenger in their row with an aisle seat, thank God, able at least to turn my head away from the flicking detritus. Oh, my God. I mean, who wants to be anywhere near that? Yes, go on. Well, I don't know if AI is... You know how Google just automatically opts for AI now. It's saying San Jose. Rubbish. But they can't... It says there are 1 ,700 San Jose's. What does San Jose mean? Saint? Oh, Saint Joseph, maybe. I don't know. I would have gone for Saint Joseph. Oh, yeah, Saint Joseph. Oh, yeah, Saint Joseph. Is it? Well, it says that it leads with over 17 ,016 locations globally.

21:25I'm sorry, I just don't believe that. I've never been to a plant bar. I've never even been to San Jose, never mind all the other San Jose's. Have you been to San Jose? No. Not that I'm aware of, but there are that many we might have stumbled in. Do you know the way? To Amarillo. Isn't there a song called Do You Know The Way To San Jose? Yeah, probably. I just wanted to mess with you. I think she was right and I was wrong then. This is from LJ. First time emailer, long time listener. You're very welcome. I finally got round to emailing and where better to do it than on a Vanty West Coast train on a six-hour journey from Glasgow to London.

22:00Oh, Vanty West Coast, welcome to my world. So my thoughts went straight to you, lovely lot, says LJ. Almost two years ago now, I started the dreaded perimenopause and my sobriety journey and life was, to say the least, a struggle. My lovely mum was trying so hard to help me in every way, one of which was recommending that I listen to your pod. You quickly became my go-to podcast on my every menopause walk, keeping me company no matter what mood I was in. You would rapidly cheer me up with your unapologetic banter and humour, not to mention the interviews and discussions. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for being by my side through the worst times.

22:40I'm now sober nearly three years on. I've turned my life around 360, finally making my lovely mum proud and more importantly, myself. lj absolute respect to you um well done i don't mean to sound patronizing in any way that is properly tough and you've got there and i know that anyone who gives up drinking is never fully there because every day presents a new challenge but how fantastic that you've done three years that is amazing and if we've helped in any way i know i speak for fee as well here um we're just incredibly grateful that you've told us that we helped and we just we're happy to keep on keeping your company um judith you actually i was in that hotel judith i mentioned yesterday that had been a complete burke at the hotel i was in um in greece who was conducting a business conversation and pacing around the pool while scratching his balls and i know and with a baseball cap on back to front at a hotel that honestly hannah advertised itself as being a retreat for quiet times.

23:46Wow. I mean, just, so I did something passive-aggressive and he stopped. What did you do? No, tell me, because I... You didn't really pay attention, did you? I wasn't paying attention, no. I had Devil Wears Prada 2 on in the background. I was finally catching up to that. I had both on. I know. I'm Gen Z. I'm sorry. So you had two things on at once? Yeah, I'm crazy. Oh, I just find that, oh, God. I know. I knew that would upset you. Well, I don't know how you'd focus on anything. Oh, well, I started The Devil Wears Prada and I thought, I'm going to have to finish it because I've got to finish it, but I did think it was rubbish.

24:18Just seriously, Hannah, let's fast forward 60 years, 70 years probably, to the care homes that will cater for your generation. What is the racket going to be like in there? It's going to be brilliant. It's not going to be brilliant. It's just going to be a cacophonous nightmare with your old second sources everywhere and things blurting and blaring. It'll be absolutely awful. What will the tribute to the musical tribute act be? for your generation when you're in a, shall we say, a care setting of one sort or another? I think that, well, I mean, there are two directions to go. I think personally that it won't change because I don't think that, I think our generation loves all music.

25:03Oh, because of Spotify and everything else? Yeah, so I don't think it'll change. But then secondly, I think it will be like raves, won't it? sweet that you think that good luck with your raves when you're in your 90s um judith says um if it happens to have been the hotel that you were staying in in kefalonia yes it was then that noisy caller you encountered is lucky you didn't deck him when we were lucky enough to stay there all the business types including my overworked husband had switched everything off by the time they got through the welcome drink. Passive-aggressive gestures get 100 % approval from me, says Judith.

25:42And you're right, the passive-aggressive gesture I made was I just put my finger to my lips, Hannah. Oh, that's good. I channelled my reception teacher self and it got the job done. It really did. Right, we will bring in Gabby Roslin in a moment or two who's going to talk about the joy of pets and so much else. She's a bit of a TV legend, Gabby, isn't she? A nice woman as well. I've heard from someone who's worked with her that she's nice. And she's very positive. All of her things are positivity, the joy of life. Yeah. Couldn't really say the same about myself, but we've all got our strengths.

26:17Yeah. You're a realist. Thank you. Not that she's not. No, I'm sure she is, but I hear you. And Hannah, I've decided to take that as a compliment. Yeah. I'm channeling a bit of positivity for once. This is quite interesting. anonymous Annie has this query and I'm interested in how people might react to this. I wonder if you've got any tips on how to deal with people our anonymous correspondent is choosing to call foisters. Okay I've moved to a new town and I've encountered a particular woman who seems only to speak to me in order to foist onto me a list of things to do for her various projects.

26:57You ready? can I make cakes for a coffee morning can I welcome people to a concert can I stuff leaflets through all the doors in my neighborhood I wasn't sure if there was a kind of phrase to employ in such situations than sod off you cheeky cow any any suggestions gratefully received I mean I don't think there are many other options but I want some more context here because in what world does someone think that that's acceptable anyway why is she just foisting on you like that um i think it might be part of an attempt to welcome anonymous annie that's the name she's chosen by the way to the community so i can't criticize her for that because sometimes when you move to a new place i mean it's been ages since i did but you do need friends you need to make connections and maybe this lady is trying to do exactly that but the foisting element i don't welcome i i find it Actually, there's something about being asked if I could make a cake.

27:53Not everyone can. It's not in the skill set of the everyday individual anymore. And I'm not saying it, I mean, I think it's a great thing if you can. But if you can't, you're slightly put on the back foot there, aren't you? Stuffing leaflets, most people could probably have a go at that. I just think if you're wanting to make someone feel welcome, then why are you getting them to do things for you? Maybe this lady, the foister, already does loads of stuff. needs to delegate she's knackered she wants to delegate she's uh the community queen and um that that's a that's a role in itself and it can be quite exhausting i think i might become one of those when i when i finally retire yeah you seem to be taking the foister the foister side no i'm just no i'm not actually because i i would be i'd feel quite yeah harassed and under strain actually if I was asked to do stuff particularly stuff I wouldn't feel happy doing no I mean Mary Berry once said to me the great Mary Berry you've got to know your oven and and she was right I mean she's still right you do have to know your own oven I haven't baked for absolutely ages um but I do always remember that I overestimated how hot it was yeah mine has hot and cold areas so you've got to just use the right place to pop your things in yeah one side's cold one side's hot and that's the way it is right sounds like a slightly yeah broken broken of them you've got there hannah you might want to do something about it homemade teddy bear name comes in from janet in adelaide we'll get to gabby roslin i promise in a moment this email is about a toy friend that is gone but will be forever in our hearts we do need some sad music here but because there's no budget there isn't any but just think sad music.

29:41Many years ago my toddler daughter was given a hand-knitted teddy bear. It was bought at a rural church fete and it's best described as an unsuccessful attempt at home crafting. None of the poor thing's limbs were the same length, its eyes weren't on the same level and neither of them were in the right place. The wool it was made from was a grey rather like an unravelled army blanket, but it was brightened up by a tiny knitted purple singlet. That's nice. We called it Frankenteddy. My daughter loved it and kept it as a nighttime companion for many years. I made amateur repairs over the years, but eventually poor Frankenteddy's fluffy white insides herniated through a massive tear in his midriff.

30:28My poor patch-up skills could no longer save him. By that time, my daughter had reached an age where she could let him go, but Frank and Teddy will never be forgotten. Frank and Teddy, rest in peace. Yeah, two seconds for Frank and Teddy. There we are. I think actually, Janet, you could have tried a bit harder to keep him alive. I mean, I don't want to be judgmental, but I just have been. Could you really not just done a couple of massive stitches, stuffed the stuffing back in and just had another go? I don't know. So I have a dog that sits on my bed at home called marshall and he lost his insides a long time ago my mum wanted to get him restuffed but that felt inappropriate he's still just got his hole he just sits there yeah and if i touch him little balls fall out so i try not to i mean you're right more comes out every time you touch yeah so i don't know what the best thing to do is actually maybe i should have let him go a long time ago it's a very it's a very moving thing you've just said there but i do i do suspect that there are creatures like the one you've just described in bedrooms all over the world i mean my own childhood teddy is still in my bedroom and the terrible truth and i hope he's not listening um is that i've never really liked it well i find old teddy's no offense jane quite scary looking yeah does he have big eyes i haven't looked at him for ages he's got orange trousers and i think he's wearing a bow tie i'll take a picture and i'll put it on the insta tomorrow um the thing i associate that teddy bear with is that it did come with me when i went to hospital as a five-year-old um i had suspected concussion and the teddy came with me to the hospital and stayed with me i was in for five days the only time i've been in hospital apart from maternity good luck then well not really because i was i I remember being sick on it.

32:18Oh. I know. But obviously he's been washed. I do need to make clear he was washed. That's why the trousers are orange. He has been, no. He has been thoroughly washed. But I think that's why I've never really, look, I don't know why he's still in my bedroom. I need to do something about that. What's he doing there? I'm 108. What's that bear still doing in my, I mean, it's so peculiar. Anyway. Oh, God. Right. Page my therapist. Get my therapist to come in, Hannah.

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34:38Gabby, hello. Welcome. How are you? Very well, thank you. How are you? Not too bad at all. The programme starts on August the 23rd, 11.30, ITV. So this is a nice time of day just to relax in the company of wonderful furry creatures. Are you happy with the time slot? Yes, delighted. Absolutely delighted. But what's so lovely these days is that it changes because, of course, you can catch up on ITV. Of course you can. Very, very good publicity there. You're on message. We're very grateful. And I bet ITV are as well. you say that working on the programme has reignited your deep love for all animals so I think I need to know was there a time when you'd fallen out of love with animals or no no I think no never never um I've had I've had animals all my life um and I work with animal charities but I think what it did was it reignited it it I had never fallen out but it was suddenly it reminded me how precious they are and also how important they are it's not just to us but we are to them and dr bolu who is my co-host of this show a brilliant vet yeah um bolu always says pet parents which i really love that term because what what a pet can bring to us and what we can bring to them it's such a it's it's very very special and we had some extraordinary pets that i never thought that i would be sitting talking to you saying wow i would love a pet llama and sorry alpaca llamas alpacas guinea pigs tortoises um we've got we had tarantulas snake um well there's a rat and there's a rat in the first episode yeah lovely oh my goodness gracious me dogs lots and lots of dogs but actually uh the uh even even the vet dr bollu was uh going on about praying mantis he quite wants one as a pet now because he's never thought about that before so yeah it's it's been it's been eye-opening but also the amazing the connection between the pet parent and the pet yeah um dr bollu tell us a little bit about him he actually he's lovely with animals there's a little bit One of the episodes where a tiny tabby cat goes for a sort of checkup and nestles very happily in his arms.

36:57I mean, he definitely has a way with animals. Oh, well, it's extraordinary. When I first met Balu a couple of years ago, I thought I have to work with him. There's something very magical. And there really is. And I know we use that term a lot, but he really is incredible. And when we were filming, we were filming up and down the UK. Yeah. People would come and go, oh, hello. and then the animals even if they were slightly anxious or whatever it they just sort of lay on the back hi i've never he has that touch he's absolutely doing the job that he was born to do right well it's lovely he clearly does deeply care for the animals as do you i appreciate um are you a currently are you a current pet owner or pet parent no because my husband is allergic he's allergic to cats and dogs so we've had we've had guinea pigs we're about to get a house tortoise right we met a house tortoise on the show and that was it i absolutely fell in love with the house tortoise um i would love chickens as well we've got a tiny garden it's about the size of two double beds but the chickens i've never i have to be honest i'd never held a chicken before no and i picked up one of the chickens because we were talking to the to the oh the person who brought in the chickens and i it was the most calming extraordinary thing i know that sounds a strange thing but you know i i learned so much but it was a very very special moment and i came home actually like i said i came home all the time please can we can we get chickens now we get can we have an alpaca you can't just have one though i've learned you have to have a few well we must get alpaca positive a bit later in the conversation because i'm intrigued but your husband's he's just allergic to furry things then no it's the spit he's allergic to cats and dogs really badly Oh, God, Gabby, I never thought we'd be hearing about this.

38:43He's allergic to spit. Yeah, he's very, very allergic to all dogs and all cats. And it kills him because he loves dogs, absolutely loves dogs. So I've got friends who have dogs, and very often I'll go and walk their dog or I'll go and pet sit for them. They know that. Because I grew up with loads of animals. My mum bred dogs. She loved them. um uh we had a stuffageable terrier we had two rabbits guinea pigs we had two tortoises one got lost so we called the one that was left uh by both of their names uh you could run around the garden with the dog and that's no word of a lie right um i thought we were perhaps turning against the idea of tortoises as pets but is that notion you can rescue you can these are rescued we're looking at rescue rescue tortoise yes right where are they rescued from they're rescued from people who don't know what they're doing and also don't look after them and i think i think there's i think that's something that's really important as well we had we had a a lot of animals on who were fostered or rescued we had a lot who were medical attention dogs we had pet therapy animals so that's where the alpacas come in but it you do have to know what you're doing you know that the whole thing about a dog is for life not just for Christmas it's totally true yeah so we give some insight into that well no I appreciate that the program makes very clear that having a pet is a responsibility and it's not something and and also we do know don't we that in COVID far too many people got puppies in particular and it didn't always work out for them no they're just you have to know what you're doing you really do and and give them the time you know it's after COVID it was a case of okay well I'm going back to work now so I'll just close the front door and leave the dog for eight hours no no no it doesn't work and you should never do it you have you have I've got well it's interesting you mentioned that I've got a rescue tabby uh from an animal sanctuary in Basingstoke um she's incredibly bad tempered uh well she is I mean she's absolutely awful um I wouldn't I would never be without her um unfortunately she's you love her dearly well no I tolerate her and I always will.

41:01She is clean in her habits. She's small. She's rather sweet. Looks sweet, but except she isn't. She has appeared, unfortunately, on the cover of Hampshire Life and that gave her ideas above her station. Oh, I see. And she's never really, she doesn't live in Hampshire anymore. She's moved to West London to be near me, with me, in fact. And I think she rather resents the fact that I've taken her away from her. Get her a magazine cover in London. Yeah, well, she's been in the Sunday Times magazine. But this isn't about me or about my Dora, who's currently at the vets actually having her claws dealt with.

41:37Oh, bless her. Dora, that's a good name. Good name for a cat. Oh, good name for a cat. Yeah, it is a good name for a cat. And actually, it's interesting, isn't it? When you are a pet owner and I've had, she's my second cat. I grew up with a dog. I now, I do judge people a bit if they don't have a pet. Now, are you a bit like that? no no no no because people can have their reasons i totally understand that but it's incredible how many people now want want pets for the right reasons not for the wrong reasons and i think that's like we underline that of course in the show but no i wouldn't judge some i don't judge people i don't think it no i'm not like oh gabby you want to get into judging people it's good fun um the the appeal of a pet rabbit has always slightly escaped me i must be honest and somebody Oh, I've had pet rabbits.

42:25Oh, have you? OK, well, in the first episode, somebody makes a positive case for rabbits and does say that they can be house trained, which I didn't really know. Yeah. I remember a friend of mine after school, her and her sister had a house rabbit that used a litter tray and would sit on their lap watching TV, just like a dog, just like a cat. Yes, absolutely. And that's not cruel. It's perfectly all right to invite a rabbit into your house. So long as they have their space, because that's also really important. They've got to have their space. They need their place that they can go to if they want to get away from everything.

43:02It's the same with us as well, isn't it? We all want somewhere that we can get away from it all. Yes, you're absolutely right. Do you think there's a limit to what people in Britain will do for their pets? I don't think I've imagined this. I think in one of the episodes I saw, a dog had acupuncture. Yeah, absolutely. I've done live television where a dog has had acupuncture many years ago. on a BBC show. So I've seen it happen and it is remarkable. This dog had its back legs, it had to use wheels. It was a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful dog and had acupuncture live on the show and it helped it.

43:39It was remarkable. Absolutely. Yeah, all for that. Okay. And the rat that I mentioned earlier had a tumour, I think, which was removed by a vet. um yeah i'm afraid although i clearly appreciate that the the owner was very attached to the rat i don't really understand why anyone would want a pet rat can you some people might say i don't understand people that want pets so well i don't and i've got one no do you know what they love they love their pet rat in the same way i remember with our uh we have live audience there as well We're all, like I said, all over the UK on Village Green. And we had tarantulas on.

44:21And we spoke, I went in, you know, Bolu and I were talking to the lovely people who were there, the live audience, and we said, look, are any of you, you know, are you phobic, are you worried about the tarantula? They all said, no, we're fine. We just don't want to get too close. We don't want to get too close to look at it. And then at the end of the interview, and we stopped rolling, all of them got up and they wanted to learn more about the tarantula and then you know they said we don't we weren't holding it and you know that's not what we're doing no but um we were just wanted to know if they wanted to come up and find out more and they all did right um i'm not well i don't mind spiders but i think i probably would just keep my distance um dogs are obviously i mean there are some very cute dogs in the program of course there are but there are english bulldogs and um look if you've got an english bulldog i I don't doubt that they're gorgeous, loving, all the rest of it.

45:16But goodness me, Gabby, they do have genetic problems, don't they? Absolutely. And we talk about that on the show as well. It's really important. We do discuss all of these things. Yeah. And there is it's all about joy, but also there is the reality of it. And that's why we've got wonderful Dr. Bollou. He is a vet that knows his stuff. So we do. We talk about all of these things and and actually he even he talks about the importance of brushing a dog. and and i thought you know in the beginning before i learned all about it i'm thinking oh wow what did i learn and in fact i then learned how to brush a dog's teeth and the dog trusted me so now and and as bolu said please don't go around with a toothbrush and just see any dog and just go up and go can i brush your dog's teeth i wouldn't do that but it's really important for pet parents to do that yeah i didn't realize that you should routinely brush your dog's teeth absolutely absolutely well find out more by watching the joy of pets 11 30 on itv on sunday we'll be there and eat of itvx at a time to suit you and your pet um presumably there's canine toothpaste though yes there is it's meat flavored i could smell it oh gabby i'm learning so much i never thought i needed to know uh in this conversation does it have a great brand name do you know i don't know i can't remember i just took the toothbrush and then i brushed the dog's teeth and the dog was smiling thought okay it's working all right well there must be a pun there actually you know i love dogs so much like i said we grew up with dogs we had a staffordshire bull terrier first one then we had um dachshunds and my uh we bred the dachshund and we had so we had eight puppies running around at one stage and then we kept one of those puppies and then we had basset hounds growing up and then I had a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel.

47:00So I love, love, love, love, love dogs. But my mum, my late mum always went on about brushing their teeth. So she knew all those years ago. Well, it's clearly very important and I hope people are paying due attention this afternoon to everything you're saying. You also, I thought this was interesting, I hadn't really thought about this, how important it is to take your dog to a groomer and what groomers can pick up which might be useful in terms of an animal's health absolutely absolutely that's also in the show we have a dog groomer in and they were talking about you know the the lumps and bumps that they could find and other things as well but you must because if a dog gets matted you know we've seen we know that if the dog's not looked after it can lead to all sorts of things so please please please look after your pets please look up yes of course well Times Radio listeners would never dream of doing anything else what's this James has sent me a lovely picture of his chihuahua he says oh James says I think I'm my chihuahua's pet well it looks as though it looks as though you might be has James put the name of his chihuahua no I mean you're absolutely right Gabby we always need the name and we don't we do need the name don't have it I met a dog in the park the other day so lovely oh oh my god It was a greyhound, a rescue greyhound.

48:20And the owners, I talked to everybody, I walk everywhere and I talked to everybody and the owners came up and they said, oh, this is Mike. And I just thought that was Mike, the greyhound. It was just perfect. That is absolutely perfect. What's this from Jane? Don't diss pet rats. I kept them for years. They're wonderful. They're clean. They're intelligent and affectionate. They're very clever. I hope the person concerned didn't just have one. they are highly sociable right yeah well that's what we say about a lot of the animals it's really important going back to the alpacas these are these are therapy um alpacas um our woman uh she's amazing amazing amazing lady she has 39 of them and they go into care homes they uh work with special educational needs and autistic young people and with people with dementia right and they are gentle and beautiful we can't just have one no okay now you were talking i think semi seriously earlier about wanting to have was it a llama or an alpaca i've got alpaca ah yes but i can't i like i said my our garden is the size of two double beds so um you know but i fell in love with these um alpacas they were the most gentle kind oh my word i mean i thought i like i said i was quite moved a lot of the time i think i'm now officially not unofficially uh almost a vet am I a vet yet?

49:42we ask every week and Balu sort of says no but you never know by series five maybe I'll be an official vet okay and what was it you were saying about llamas, alpacas that you can't just have one of those either they have to come in no you can't have one alpaca you need but actually it's the same with a lot of animals and there are certain ones that you can't they have to be on their own so watch the joy of pets to find out that okay I mean I think it's true that cats actually actively prefer a solitary life is that correct i've never so we had a cat when i was little girl uh and it it was seemed to be out of the house more than it was in the house and it loved my dad uh more than it loved anybody else right so it would always it would come in sit on my dad's lap and then look at the dog and then the dog would bark and the cat would go yeah all right then and it would leg it outside again um uh so yeah he uh she gosh it was a long time ago yeah He was a solitary cat and literally a solitary cat.

50:42Yeah. And what was the name? Sirikitty. Gosh, that's quite sophisticated. And the dog was Bazooka. Right, right. Well, what a household. Gabby, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. I think this programme actually will bring a lot of comfort and indeed joy. It is called The Joy of Pets. It's on ITV and ITVX from August the 23rd. And it starts this Sunday, doesn't it? at half past 11 in the morning gabby thank you very much thank you so much gabby roslin who is hosting that new itv show it begins on august the 23rd and you can find it on itv1 at 11 30 in the morning but you can find it anytime these days can't you hannah what a world we live in itvx yeah it's there probably there for all time uh and there are some um very sweet bits in this actually if you are thinking of getting a pet, it will concentrate your mind because pet ownership comes with very real responsibilities, as we all know.

51:43Right, we're back tomorrow. I think our guest tomorrow is Mary Portis. Exciting. Yeah, that is exciting. That's tomorrow. Have a good period of time, if you believe in the clock, and we'll see you tomorrow.

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