Justine Lupe

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1:20Justine, welcome to One Night Stand. Just so thrilled to have you here. I'm so excited to be here. And you chose five incredible books. they were so fun um yeah uh have you always been a big reader you know i grew up with people reading to me like i um my mom always read to us when we were kids i had an incredible fourth grade teacher named miss loftus who was like just the best reader i remember that really well and she also would bring in this woman named lady jones who would read to us so like i had all these like really amazing women reading to me all throughout my childhood but it's really funny i I was thinking about this as I was reading these books and I was like, I never really, like when you imagine like the child who's like, voraciously reading, that was just not me as a kid.

2:06It wasn't me, I wasn't that way either. I got into it more when I was older. Yeah, I'm like, what was the first book that I really like dove into? And I think it was Harry Potter. Oh yeah, I mean, well, yeah. So I was pretty old. I was like 13 or something before I like. I was never one of those like bookworm-y children either. No, no, I was like far more like out and about and running around. Like adult readers love to tell you if they're a bookworm. Totally. Oh my god, totally. They can't wait to fucking tell you. I'm always carrying a book around. Literally. Not I. No, me neither. And like dirt everywhere.

2:37Yeah, totally. Disgusting. But I did love being read too. I remember that really well. I loved people reading to me. And I was good at reading. I always did really well in school with reading and writing. So I'll brag about that. Yeah, nailed it. Well, let's start with East of Eden by John Steinmet. Tell me about your love of that book. Okay, so when I got asked to do this, I had not finished East of Eden. But I kind of saw it as like divine intervention. I was like, wait, there's this thing where they're gonna ask me what my favorite books are. And I was like halfway through, which it's a monster book.

3:11It's like 600 and something pages. But I was so in love with it at that point that I was like, I've got to finish this. And it was kind of like this double-edged sword of like, I really got to dive in even more and like just like every break I had I was just like in it and also I was like I don't want it to be over and it sucked that I couldn't like savor it but it's the most incredible book I've ever read which is part of why I like had to get it done before this talk because I was like it's so special it's the most it's incredible and I don't even know how to approach it because there's just so much richness to it it felt like every single moment was like full of like soul yeah it feels very cinematic i think when you're reading it like it's so sort of grand and scale totally well yes like it's it spans from like what like like i think from the end of the civil war to the beginning of world war one yeah so yeah it's it's massive and i also feel like it's cinematic because the characters are like so incredibly fleshed out they're all so colorful like the good and the bad they're all just like so much fun to read about and have each of their own incredible identities and there's just like I almost like feel like it's the kind of thing you know I waited to read this book because I had a boyfriend when I was in my 20s that had Tim shul which I don't know if you've gotten to that part or you know if you remember it but basically there's like this like incredible part of the book that's all about free will and the idea that you can choose what you want okay so there's this this Tim shul in Hebrew means thou mayest and I had a boyfriend in my 20s who had it tattooed on to him and he was a really crummy boyfriend so I kind of had an aversion to the book I was like I don't know about that book and then I read the book and I was like yeah I would I'm I'm considering it tattooed on to me as well like it's just it's just so full of like all these little lessons that you like truly want to carry with you as a person.

5:15Yeah. And that's kind of an incredible treat. Totally. And all of these really complicated relationships and sort of like, I loved reading about, is it Samuel Hamilton? He's my favorite. And the wife and the dynamic and like, I don't know, it just feels so real. Yeah. I don't know, I mean, it's amazing. Yeah, totally. Their dynamic is really sweet. Samuel is my favorite character by far. And in my mind, I was like, who would I cast as Samuel Hamilton if I was gonna be and I was like Brendan Gleeson I think I would cast. That's a good one yeah. He's just like got it's such a special character because he's got such a fire he's incredibly he's got like incredible will incredible like earnestness and a liveliness and like a whimsical nature like you know he's this character that every single person gravitates towards and is full of these like incredibly magical stories and everyone wants around him and yet he's also like this like fierce moral compass totally he's my favorite character well like when they arrive into town and one of the other people is like if you go and see this man about doing your world you better be good to him oh yeah i was like totally it's amazing and what about kathy though i just like i can't like she's wild right what an amazing you know my husband read it before me and he's part of like what swayed me into reading it um but he was like Kathy just look out for Kathy and that was like his one takeaway and when I finished the book I was like I was like of all the things like it's so funny that that like Kathy because but but she is just so juicy like there's so it's it's like unreal that character and what's also crazy is that everything that she does it feels like it it's like not dated feeling the whole book doesn't feel dated I think that's so true yeah it's all like you could be reading it right now and it would all apply to like what we're going through and yeah kathy and all of her like just the horrors the horrors and the way they describe her is literally almost having hooves i just like know exactly what he when he was like invoking this sort of like non-human yeah her little her little like pointy teeth and her like tiny little baby totally oh it's so weird and her end yeah fucking kathy ma 'am what uh like a piece of shit it was like one of those things where as i was reading at whoever she ran into i was like no no no no go away go away like fuck off fuck off yeah because it's just like something bad is gonna happen to this person like there's no person untouched when you know if she's gonna like come into your into your aura you're you're screwed would you ever do you ever want to play like would you enjoy playing a really villainous character like that oh yeah yeah totally because it's like i was thinking as i was reading i was like this would be such a juicy character to play in the sense of just like because she has to perform purity so much while being those drunk scenes would be like incredible you know when she drinks too much and she just goes like feral and like all the dark comes out like that would be just incredible to watch because she has like these this like crazy mask of being this like angelic kind of like exactly um and then just to have this like snarling terrible vicious beast to come out it would be really fun to play and such a challenge also it's like you know the whole yeah the whole span of this character i'm like it's it would be like what a beast you know i know and a lot of your books that i feel like there's a lot of like agricultury vibes oh interesting yeah they felt very like big american like totally i it's funny because this one is so sprawling but i feel like the other ones are like maybe they are more compact yeah um but no i know what you mean I think that there is something about the land in this book.

8:58Yes. And like what it, I mean, even just the way that it opens, where he's talking about the valley and the mountains and the light and the flowers. And I think that like he just so clearly paints this setting that is incredibly appealing to me. Also, like, you know, I live in California and it describes California. It's also like wild hearing him describe like the drought and like the like waves where you like forget that it ever was like a place that could like you know bring life um I think I am fascinated by like I or I'm just turned on by like great writing about like location totally you know so maybe that's what you're feeling yeah it's because it is that those like big like grand landscapes of like America because I think in any like I've probably grew up reading more British fiction and Britain's so like small and like pokey and everyone's like and they're all wearing each other and I read these and I'm like, the world is your oyster.

9:52Totally. I'm from Colorado so I do think that there's a part of me, you know, I do the road trip from California to Colorado quite often. How long does that take? 17 hours. It's not as bad as it sounds. And it's like the most beautiful land. So I do think there's something in me that's drawn to that landscape. I mean, America's just like, there's gorgeous, gorgeous land. So, yeah, I could see why that might be something that I'm drawn toward. I also had an intuitive tool. In a past life, I was a cowboy. Stop, tell me more, tell me more. I shouldn't even tell you. It's so ridiculous. That was all that was said.

10:27I didn't delve into it deeper. I was like, okay, cool. Cowboy, I love that. Are you a horse passer? No. No, no, I don't know where in the heck they got it. Oh my God, I feel like I was a minor or something. I feel like a cowboy is so like - Cowboy feels glamorous even for me. Okay, cool, cool. I would have been like an underground peasant, basically. I think at one point, if there is such a thing as past lives, we all must have been a peasant at one point or another. I'm sure. Yeah, that's so fun. Are you into spiritual things? Yeah. Yeah. I have fun with it, for sure. I think it's fun. It kind of gets me imagining, and it's sweet and fun, but I'm not someone who lives by, like, we're in Scorpio Moon.

11:08Totally. That's why I find seeing psychics fun, because I'm like, tell me what's coming up. Yeah, why not? Yeah, exactly. And then when it's sort of like, I think it gives you a lot of information about yourself because you sort of, your gut reaction to what they say, whether you're like, no, or like you sort of learn something about what you want. It gives you like a feeling of what's going on in there. Exactly. Yeah. My husband is like very anti this kind of, I wouldn't say anti, but he's just like, couldn't care less. And so it's good to have like him as like a tether to like reality. Cause I do think that if I let myself, I really could just go down the like, woo woo.

11:44Yeah. like yeah you know like going to fortune tellers all the time kind of oh it's so fun though it is fun it's fun yeah make believe play imagination exactly do you ever read with thinking about would you ever want to adapt things yourself as a producer or like do you ever read with that in mind you know i haven't i haven't but um i've always read like casting things in my brain so So, like, I always, whether it be with a friend or with someone that I know kind of, like, lightly or with, like, an actor, I have a lot of time kind of imagining, like, faces, familiar faces. It's funny you say that, though.

12:25I went to school for theater, and so I, like, have a really hard time, like, with the idea of dipping into, like, different kind of, like, paths for my career. because I'm like, well, no, you have to earn, like, it's like a thousand hours was put into being an actor. So, like, the idea of a producer feels, like, so far away for me, but I have been, like, sent a couple manuscripts as, like, ideas that people could, like, build out. So that's, like, an interesting progression in my career, and I'm excited by it. I also just feel like I have a really hard time, like, admitting that that's something that's exciting to me because I'm, like, I haven't worked to become a producer, you know?

13:00But I feel like having been on so many sets, you like probably like have seen everything that you like as in you see so much about how the sausage gets made yeah totally but i also like i'm so aware of the fact that there's so many things behind that like behind the moment that leads to us being on set that i have no idea what i'm talking about but i do feel like um it's something that i'd love to learn more about so and reading like the idea that there are like there are so many actresses who have really like championed taking literature and creating um like fully produced projects like that's really exciting to me and yeah that's so cool well uh next book um small things like these by claire keegan was adapted into a movie with kilean murphy which i haven't watched yet but i loved this book so much i i saw that it had been made into a movie i love him so much so i'm actually really excited to see it and um yeah I I loved this book it I flew through it I think I read it in like a day yeah because it's nothing it's like tiny yeah um and it feels like that was such an act like it felt like she was aware of that like it felt like she just like had the refined the story down to just what was needed like that there was no like superfluous like anything like it's just such a quiet direct like accounting of this this encounter that happens and um and it hit me so hard yeah and i thought the sort of like quiet violence hanging in the background and the way it's like always there was so sort of like i mean even i remember i wrote down this one line or took a photo of the page where he's like he's talking about his five daughters and he's like he's already he's already seen men's eyes following his girls and i was like that's not even like what the book's about but i was like that it's just such a like the sort of like threat but it does tie into kind of like a father's like his responsibility and his awareness of like you know his his daughters his daughters the fact that he has five daughters is such an important part of this book.

15:16I wanted to say movie. It's such an important part of this book and it makes sense like that moment of him like catching, like knowing that men are looking and like that they are like prey kind of. That women are, like the awareness that women can be preyed upon and the way that it plays into this discovery and how he wants to handle it and his feeling of responsibility towards it. I think it's like greatly impacted by the fact that he has these five daughters. and it's like these two counterweights the weight the pressure of like and when she's basically threatening that the girls will be like kicked out of the school next door and like you know and sort of intimating that and he's like has his obligations to these five girls but then other women and his mom i know i know that ending is like terrible terrible yeah because you kind of it's like beautiful and then he does the right thing and also you kind of like are left with like not knowing what the repercussions of that would be and I mean yeah I think that it speaks to something that we all like have to grapple with sometimes which is just how to be responsible for the things that we see going on around us and and what the repercussions for being responsible for those things might be and um and yeah I'm just it's just completely fascinating and and the history behind it is just like so tragic it's just awful awful yeah there's one bit I wrote down as well that I just like I keep thinking about because it's when his wife says to him where does thinking get us all thinking does is bring you down if you want to get on in life there's things you have to ignore so you can keep on and I was like I mean I feel like that's so much of what like my therapist is always saying like because you sort of have to there is some truth to that but it's also like when like you say when do you put your head down and just be like I can't think about that and when do you say I can't I can't not think about that I know and so much of the stuff I see on social media now and people ranting about why aren't people posting about this why aren't people shits people like wrestling with that of like totally I just on the car right here I was listening to um an interview where this actress was talking about how she like she's like yeah I don't listen to the news I can't I can't it disrupts my peace and and uh I get it like I truly get it and you know especially you know I have this like 11 month old daughter and there's like a part of me that's just like wants to protect myself and preserve like my but I'm also just like I don't know if that's the answer you know I know it's kind of not the answer because if you look back at like the way that things have gone and how we kept things from just going you know the only thing that keeps us out of just going down is like it's kind of shining a light and giving attention to things.

18:04But also you can get so bogged down if you spend your whole day seeing all these things. Totally. I think you have to kind of, I think you really have to, it's a job to balance. It is. It really is. The only thing I didn't love about that book is, and I feel like it came up a little bit in East of Eden as well, and maybe a little bit in My Brilliant Friend, is like the fact that the wife has to sort of play the like pragmatist while the man gets to be like moral hero. Do you know what I mean? I do, I do. I mean, I think that that's interesting. I think that there's something interesting about another woman who's like also raising these five girls, like being the voice of, like she's also protecting the family.

18:52Yeah. So it's like not necessarily like, you know, there's like there's preservation on both sides of this and I think that's what's compelling and interesting about it and I kind of like that it's the woman who's sitting here kind of like advocating for him to like bury it but exactly um and but I do understand being like yeah the thing about East of Eden with that though is there's so many different women and she is like you kind of it's like the same thing is like me and like my cuckoo brain with this like horoscope stuff and having a husband who's like yeah like I do think that there's like yes Samuel needed that Samuel so it's like it's a different kind of brain yeah it's not necessarily a less valuable brain exactly you know like it's actually like offering something equally important in her own way like that that house couldn't have gone on with like how many children do they have an East of Eden like eight or nine kids like without someone who's just literally like on the ground while her husband's like literally in the sky you know it also really tickled me in that with joe the youngest kid where they're like he's just so useless whatever happens to joe i mean what is where they're like he's so useless he's just gonna have to go to college i was like wait for that you just want to go to college that's a very different exactly it was so funny they were like i know we're gonna have to send him to college i mean and even and even like sam samuel's like totally like he reads and reads and reads but like hides the books yeah i don't know it's so funny so it is kind of it's a totally different way of thinking about the world than like us totally like they're farmers oh they really are they're like out there a little piece of i know but i loved also in um small things like these how claire sort of like lets you know that the relationship between um the furlongs that he they've like had some passion like when she talks about how there's like an 11 month gap between two of the kids I was like oh god I mean they were like back back into business very quickly yeah totally I mean I think that's the other thing that's like he cares so much about her you can feel the marital tie between them which is like another obstacle that was so smart um yeah I love that book but I get what you mean I get what you mean well it was just I mean I think it's probably because I had it in my brain from other stuff where I was like, I think I felt bad about how I felt because I was like, God, why is she being so unsupportive?

21:18And then I was like, wow. Totally. It's funny too when you have come off of like, there has been times where I swear to God, I'll read like five books that are about an affair. Yes. And I'll be like, gee, is everyone just having affairs? Like what the fuck is going on? That was stoner for me. I read it in the middle of a whole string of books about like infidelity and I do think that there was like um so I think that that's part of maybe what made it like a little bit like tired where you're like oh another woman who's just like yeah exactly being like pragmatized and not really like in totally yeah yeah it's really interesting but it is amazing and yeah I loved it I loved it so much and I love a short book like I do too there's something I mean I'd never I think that was part of why I was like part of the whole thing that I was attracted to was I was just like this feels like a master class in just like tight storytelling yeah yeah it was just in a different experience of reading a book than I'd ever had yeah yeah it's amazing I loved it yeah well you also have the Neapolitan novels yeah I bought my brilliant friend from my bookcase at home but tell me about your love of that book um i it's another one where i like held off on reading it because like everyone was talking about it i didn't have my throat for years totally and i was like go away guys like i'm like this like thing i'm not attracted like this stupid cover yeah i was like i'm just like i was just turned off by like the hype for such a long time and then i don't know what it was i think it was like covet honestly that just like turned i was just like well i might as well just like dive into into something that's just like a massive undertaking.

23:00And it was another one that I just, I flew through it. And I think I was just so attracted to this friendship dynamic and the way that it ebbs and flows through like a long life. And the way that I felt about that friendship was like really interesting. I had a fun time observing my brain watching how I felt about each of them, how I felt about their dynamic if I felt like it was toxic if I felt like it was this soul connection I also just thought the location, I just was like I fell in love with how clear the setting was and it was just such a it's so familiar feeling this female friendship and yet at the same time like the world was so clearly built that it felt like a very foreign land that i was reading about um and i just yeah i just really like enjoyed it and i also like felt really tied to it like i felt really tied to their relationship and the moves that they were making and book two i was just like i haven't got to that one yet oh you haven't no i need to get into that I mean, I know what happens in plot-wise broad brushstrokes, but yeah.

24:23Okay. Get in. I know. I just finished the first one. Oh my gosh. I feel like two and three are where it's at for me. Really? Interesting. I mean, I loved the depiction of the rivalry when they're young because I think that felt so real. I mean, are you a competitive person? Hmm. Yes. Right? That's the thing. It's kind of... But I think it gets it the way that it can be just kind of fun to be competitive sometimes. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I was just talking to a friend about this because she's so competitive. And I, like, we had this talk about, like, the moment where it veers from, like, competition.

25:00This was, like, game related. But, like, the moment that it veers from, like, a friendly competition to, like, over the line, not fun. And I feel like I used to get into a zone where it was, like, over the line, not fun for people because I would get so competitive. And it's something that I've, like, really worked on in the last few years. and it's truly in the middle of the heat of a game, pulling back and being like, this is a game. This is a game. And then having a more friendly experience because I just feel like the stakes of whatever game I'm playing so intensely. It's so dumb. I love that.

25:35I need to play Monopoly with you, clearly, or something. You know, Catan. Oh, OK, yeah. Have you done it? I didn't like what you said, Odin pauses, about the future. This is the love story of real hinge couple Odin and Edward, written and read by me, Curtis Garner. Listen to the free audiobook now.

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26:28Yeah, I play Catan. I'm really into Scattergories as well. That's the most recent endeavor that we've really dived into. But I think also in Nobody Wants This, part of I think the joy is seeing that relationship between Joanna Morgan and that sort of like because there's like elements of sort of when you clearly like love each other and have each other's back but other sometimes you're not like zigging when the other you are zigging when someone else is zagging and that kind of like totally it's an interesting dynamic yeah and they have a lot it's funny that you say this because they kind of weirdly have a competition in their rapport and the like bites that they take at each other yeah um but they it's kind of their like love language at the same time they that's kind of how they like there's some Shakespearean characters where the whole thing is about the wit and the game.

27:18And I don't want to say that this is a modern day Shakespeare by any means. Say it, say it. But Aaron Foster is a modern day Shakespeare. No, but I do feel like there's something about the game of the fight. That it's like never goes too serious unless it does. But there's a lot of like bum bum bum bum bum bum bum with the fighting. With those two as well, what I love is the fact that I feel like it's about giving each other a space to show up completely as yourself. Because even with my friends, you might be a bit competitive over something, but I'm never completely gloves off. With my sisters, that's a different story.

27:57And I think there is that sort of being able to hold space for someone to be themselves, even in that moment they're being a bitch. It's ugly, yeah. Totally. Family is like, yeah, it's wild. And it's also like, you know, whenever I go home, I feel like I just regress to 16-year-old me. The me that moved out. There's something that hasn't evolved past that scenario. And it's like, yeah, it's totally like, there's a primitive nature that comes out with that level of unconditional love. That is really hard to evolve out of when you're put back into it. and these two, like their whole lives are like with each other.

28:40Exactly. So yeah, there's a lot of like full frontal like misbehaving, not good behavior. Where are you at with season two and recording and everything? We're done. Oh, you're done? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh. Exciting. Yeah, I think they just locked the first, the first 10, the 10 episodes they've like locked them. Oh wow. Yeah, October 23rd it comes out. Oh my gosh, I didn't realize it was that soon. Oh, that's so exciting. I know. No, it's funny because in my mind it feels like forever, but whenever I talk to people about it, they're like, what a quick turnaround. It shoots very quickly. It's like, it's like a truly like a two and a half month shoot, if that, yeah.

29:19And is Erin and Sarah on set? Are they both on set? Erin's there every day. Okay. Sarah's not. Okay, I was gonna say, because I was interested in the sister dynamic if that was like, letting it go out there. No, no, no, no, Sarah's not there. Yeah, interesting. I think she was there at like the formative stage and like pitched in. She's like a huge part of why it got made, but she's definitely not around everything. Yeah. My gosh, that's so, and we had later Mista on our cover recently and I can't wait to see what her, like she's got a part in it this one, right? She does, yeah. She's so fun. I love her.

29:48She's like a delight and so much more of a goof than I would imagine, you know, before I knew her. Yeah, interesting. How do you feel about all the conversations that go on about your character's relationship with Sasha and the like, that friendship and stuff? I mean, I think it's fun. I think that, you know, I have my opinions about it, which I've, like, said, which is that, you know, what is fun about it is that it's, like, this kind of, like, ambiguous relationship that doesn't really step into anything, like, inappropriate or cross any lines. But, yeah, I have a lot of fun with Tim. He's an incredible actor and an incredible friend, so we just have a blast, and I think that you can kind of pick up on that when you're watching something.

30:37Yeah. You know, I was listening to, who was it? I was listening to Nicholas Holt do an interview where he was talking about how, like, the times where he's having the most fun, it usually results in, like, people receiving it well. And I kind of do feel like there's something about Tim and I and Kristen and I. We have a lot of fun together, and so it's fun to see that people are enjoying those scenes. Oh, I love it. I can't wait. I gobbled up that first season so quickly. Oh, I did too. I had fun watching it too. It goes down easy. It's very sweet. Do you always watch shows? Did you watch Succession as well?

31:16Yeah. I watched it, but I didn't watch it in time. I'm not one of those actors who's like, I won't watch anything. But definitely, I understand those actors. I feel like when I was in my 20s, I would watch things and I would just be like, and this is when someone shoots me and I'm totally okay with it. I hated watching myself. And then I think it's a matter of exposure therapy and just kind of like, I don't know, just learning how to love watching the thing that you're watching over, worrying about your vanity, not necessarily physical vanity, but just even vanity about, oh, my career's going to tank after this.

31:54Yeah, when you watch something, can you like, ooh. Like sometimes when I read stuff about that I wrote like five years ago, I'll be like, oh my gosh. Does this have to be on the internet forever? It's part of what kills journal entries for me. I read it once and I'm like, and this is when we stop doing that. Right, and you do journal much at all now, aren't I? You know, I like sometimes I'll just like write memos in my phone. Yeah, same. But I don't have like a physical journal. Yeah. Yeah, I've tried it so many times and then like either I just like, Like, it falls off or I, you know, like, look at it and, like, I'm like, ugh, this is bad.

32:28So I only journal on days where I'm really struggling. So it's just basically a legacy of my worst days. And a journal will last, like, two years. It's just, like, a highlight reel of the worst days of those two years. I also had a bad experience where I, my ex, like, went into a journal. After we broke up, he was moving out of the house. He went into the journal and like read my journal and then like tore pages out of them and left them on my bed to be like, I read this. Stop. Totally. That was awful. Yeah, it was pretty intense. I mean, like, listen, like, breakups are hard. So, like, I don't, you know, there was like no bad blood about it.

33:07But I was more just like, okay, lesson learned. Maybe we don't keep journal. Did you confront him about it? No, I like, yeah. That's very big of you. I'd be like, what the fuck? Don't mess with my shit. No, no. It wasn't worth, at that point, it was like, I understood what was going on there. So it wasn't worth, like, you know, shaming him. That's a horror story, though. Well, yes, it's a caution to stand. Truly. I mean, going back to my brilliant friend as well, I think, like, that threat of, like, male rage. Not that I'm saying your ex-boyfriend did it in a rage. But, like, that, like, the constant threat of violence that's, like, looming with these men.

33:42And, like, when she describes that they're angry because we were smarter than them. I loved that. Yeah, totally. But I feel like women need that on a t-shirt. Yeah, the men through the whole series are disappointing. They're so disappointing. Totally. Yeah, I really can't wait for you to read more. Oh, gosh. It is like, you know, it is like misogyny, you know. Yeah, totally. It's like very, very interwoven into this novel and all of their novels and also a huge part of 100 Years of Solitude as well. um but yeah no um I really want to talk to you about it after okay but yeah I felt that too it's it's like it's like just looming all the time I know and and um the the sort of like constant like threat of money and like what that can do and and I thought I mean but it was the violence that struck me and the kind of like the sort of like the dissolving margins thing as well that I found that really weird when she talks about how she's sort of like, I thought it sounded like a panic attack, but when I Googled it after, that wasn't what people, like Lila's character, she has these moments where she sort of always like disassociates.

34:54Weird. Yeah, yeah. It kind of, to me, felt like a little bit of an anxiety attack or some sort of like coping mechanism. Yeah, I know. I know that is one of the things about it that I felt while I was reading it was that a lot of the way that they behaved towards each other was just in reaction to all the things that were happening around, all the, like, kind of forces being imposed upon them. I mean, they also have, like, quite a bit of will, and they're incredibly shiny women. But I do feel like some of the things that go wrong go wrong because they're put into these situations that are kind of impossible.

35:27Completely impossible. I mean, that's how, like, when she, like, can't go to school and everything, and she's just, like, at home with her brother. I know. Also, how do you feel about, so I think it's interesting that that author is like writing under a like fake thing i know i know it's funny i read another book called trust that was written by a man and there's like a rumor that that is actually elena ferrante um interesting yeah you know i don't know i don't i kind of like a little bit of like mystery and mischievous and yes and so i'm like cool it's interesting um yeah it's like I would love to know what's going on there well quite because I do feel like with authors I do like read their bio and I do read it often with that in mind about what I think they're trying to say um and it's kind of when you have that tool taken off you you're forced to just interact with the book on the page yeah and not be like well this is because she grew up in this part of Italy and then her dad died when she was 12 or whatever it is you know I also wonder how what her relationship to the experience of the books is as someone who's like had them blow up to the extent that they have and to not be yeah like if that feels like um a huge kind of like freedom that she has or if it feels like uh like I wonder what her relationship to that is totally I think it would feel very peculiar like yeah I'm not sure what was it like with succession when that like blew up to because obviously it was popular from the beginning but it became such a like cultural conversation right and yeah I mean I felt excited for it I feel like I was like step I was like in this kind of niche sweet little pocket of being like very involved with the show and like very close to the show and also like not in the like crazy storm of the show like I was like one step removed from it um in terms of like I didn't feel like a lot of like crazy energy around me personally but it was like it's an exciting thing to know that people are excited and that they're interested I remember there was like this really wild this is like kind of like a name-droppy like weird experience but there was like this moment where I was I went to like this Emmy after party and it was like at this like like huge comedians house and there was like two like really big musicians there and like there are all these people and in the middle of this after party someone gets onto the like piano and starts playing and I was like and everyone was like what?

38:08and I was like what? this is so bizarre! There were like quite a few of you there from the show. Bizarre it was just like Nick and me and maybe Sarah was there I don't I think Sarah might have been there too there were like maybe a few of us and Nick Bratel who was the um composer yeah was there um it was just so it was so bizarre and I remember that was like kind of the moment where I was like oh my god this is like a weird zeitgeisty type of thing that like we're at this like party and they're playing like the succession like orchestral theme song on a piano and people are like losing their shit like it's Cardi B it It was like so bizarre.

38:50That is funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did everyone start staring at you like? No. No. It was the other weird part of this. It was like a very weird night. They like turned off the lights. Oh. They like turned off the lights in this room. So like there was. Time to drop a banger. Yeah, totally. And then like the stand up like did a little bit of like some kind of like. Yeah. Chat thing. And then someone played more music on the piano. It was like a very cool vibe. I'm almost like a, it felt like almost like a salon or something like that. I was going to say, it sounded like a salon. But it was like an Emmy after party.

39:23An Emmy after party. That's so funny. Yeah. Oh my God, I love that. I mean, that is a great, like, theme show, song. It's funny, I'm like trying to think of other ones that like have really, do you have ones that are? No, not that I can think of. I mean, I might. You know what I think of? Go on. Yes, no, maybe, I don't know. What's that? Can you repeat that question? You're not the boss of me now. It's Malcolm in the Middle. I didn't ever watch that because that's in the UK. That's the first one that came in my mind. Life is unfair. I love it. There's something special about when just like an orchestral piece of music is like the thing.