Anthropic AI Warning, Houthis Seize Oil Chokepoint & Lindsay Clancy Juror Doxxed | PBD #855

0:27All right, here we go. So lots of stories. AI is still the main topic of discussion everybody's worried about. Dario came out from Anthropic and saying, hey, it's true. We got to lock it up. And then Elon agreed. And then Altman said, let's go have a beer and talk about it. And they're saying, we need the president's help. Then you hear China, who's having a meeting this 10 days with Xi, is coming out to meet with the president. One of the main topics of discussion is, what are we going to do with AI regulation worldwide? China looks at themselves as the underdog, being behind the eight ball. Hey, we're trying to catch up.

1:00U.S., you're taking a lead. The president on Air Force One was asked about it. Even if he uses AI, you should see his answer. But he says we should continue going and not slow down. So that's a very big topic of discussion that we will get into. At the same time, Houthis took over a handful of islands, four islands, and you're hearing about what they're doing and how they took over Mocha, the historic port city. They took over Dubab, overlooking the strait. They took over Mayum, Perim, and they took over Zuccar. And this is reports coming in on what they're doing. So about 12 % of all the business that's done goes through this area.

1:40And so Saudi Arabia may be the biggest immediate impact, and MBS is probably not too happy about it. But Houthis are double down. We have to talk about that story. And I have my own thoughts. I know Tom does as well. And I think there's an opportunity here to be the aggressor because you know Houthis gets their money from who? They get it from Iran. So all the money that was given to them, they're funding the Houthis. So whatever happens there, it's coming from them. And I want to share this story with you guys, which is very weird. You know the juror that went against the Lindsey Clancy stuff?

2:09You know that guy that everybody's trying to dox? That the existing 11 jurors doxed him enough that there was a story done on him that they said this black man beat up his wife and his nephew. No wonder he was against Lindsay Clancy, who killed her three kids. You read this story, and for a second you're like, this is not an Onion story. This is not a Babylon Bee story. Is this a real story? There's no way this is a real story. This is a real story. Are you flipping serious? Yes. So they're doxing the guy and trying to get him to look like the evil man who beat up his wife and hit his nephew or dropped his nephew to the ground.

2:57And there's a restraining order, which are two things we don't endorse and support. We're not saying, hey, go do that. But if you have to kind of say, hey, you know, you did this domestic violence. You killed your three kids. Well, no, you don't understand what things she was. Maybe he was going through some issues at that time. Maybe she was nagging. And you don't know what nagging is and how hard it is to be married to a nagger. You don't know how painful. Can you imagine how ridiculous of the argument it is to say I'm married to a nagger versus this? Tom, you know what I'm talking about, right?

3:25I know exactly what you're talking about. I see the look that Tom's making. He was at the Dodgers game yesterday. The Dodgers were up 4-0 and they ended up losing 6-4. But they got another guy that just hit two bombs. Another Dodger player. We don't have a bullpen. We have arsonists. So, anyways, I don't want to get into it. That really upset me. But we'll get into that story with the doxing. and then Yankees on 9-11. This guy decides to run out with a Palestinian flag. In New York. In New York. They chase him down. And you know what people were screaming in the middle of the game? The three beautiful letters.

3:57You ready? USA. USA. USA. And you ought to be able to do it because you're doing it on that day. And you know what? I saw a couple clips. One, you suggested showing the Palestinians celebrating when 9-11 was. During 9-11. And then also another video shown by White House. You have to see this. It's a very emotional, very, very emotional video. I'll just play it for you in a minute. It's an incredible, because we cannot forget what happened during that time. And it's still going on right now, even though with the whole Iran issue that's going on, it's still going on right now. We're going to talk about J.D.

4:30Vance's speech that he gave and that Marco Rubio is telling everybody he has no plans of running whatsoever. He's telling everybody he has no plans of running. and behind closed doors, JDs, a lot of people are coming to him saying we can raise a lot of money for you and all this other stuff. So we'll see what happens. Their interest rates, you ready for this? You ready? Interest rates are about to raise in the first time in three years. So if you were hoping to wait to buy a property because you're going to get lower interest rates, it's probably not coming. Based on the reports that came in, we'll talk about that as well.

5:06So oil just now, if you look at what oil just hit, 104. It could even go in higher than that. And we're talking about West Texas oil, 104. Then Florida DeSantis, as if he hasn't already done a great job as a governor, he wants to make sure everybody knows with the last two months that he's got left, Adam was talking about this, that, hey, I'm the greatest governor that this state has had, and I'm the greatest governor during the last five years. Nobody did a better job than me. It's tough to dispute that. He was phenomenal. He's got a couple other things he's doing. His attorney general, who's a very strong heavyweight, sues Netflix for data tracking children, selling info, and at the same time Florida approves process to designate CAIR, CAR, Muslim Brotherhood, Antifa as terror groups because they want to make sure Florida stays safe.

5:52And I got a story I want to share with you from what my pastor, Dudley Rutherford, sermon from a few weeks ago I want to share with you that I think applies to everybody that's running a business. Everybody that's running a business. This is a story for all of us, and maybe I'll even start it off with that to get, you know, you realizing how things are. So there was once a drill sergeant, okay, Vinny? There was once a drill sergeant. Tom, this is from the greatest pastor in the world, Pastor Dudley Rutherford. He says there was once a drill sergeant who gets in front of his unit, and he says, you know what?

6:31Who thinks they can beat me up? Who? It's Drill Sergeants 5 '8", 5 '9". Okay, Drill Sergeant Jackson. None of you can beat me up. Who thinks they can beat me up? And no one's raising their hands. I was like, my God, this guy probably knows some jujitsu, probably knows Muay Thai, any of that stuff. No one. 30 seconds into it, this one kid, 18 years old, 6 '4", 250, raises his hand. Drill Sergeant goes up to him. He says, boy, you think you can beat me up? He says, yes, drill sergeant. You really think you can beat me up? Yes, drill sergeant. Perfect. He's my assistant. Who thinks they can beat us up?

7:10He's with me. He's with me. That's funny. And then they stand there and say, okay, moving forward, this guy's my right-hand guy. What do you guys want to do? That's awesome. The moral of the story is what? Life is 10 times better in business when you find your running mates that have your back. There is nothing like it. And sometimes all you got to do is ask people around you and say, hey, who's with me, right? And you get a couple of them. You can go do great things and the future looks bright. So with that being said, if you notice right now what everyone's wearing, Vinny's got the latest Icon Collection white shirt, the most comfortable white shirt you'll ever wear.

7:48And the material is soft and it breathes. I love that shirt. Extremely. You're right. Tom's got the black polo shirt with FLB's logo on as well as the white. This is our tech fabric, which is really light, great summer. Adam's got the white shirt, button up. This is all I wear. And the jacket, man. Look at the jacket. Tom, can I speak like the entire time? Like I'm going through this. I'm wearing this white shirt myself. And this is, by the way, my closet is filled with these. And Vinny's wearing the beautiful Faith Over Fear shirt that we got on. So, guys in the back, if you can play the clip, please, before we get into the podcast.

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9:49He says, hey, super intelligence around the corner and, you know, great things, you know, bad things are happening. You should be careful. There's a 10 percent chance. AI is going to turn on us and it's going to do this. And he wrote this. We must pace the frontier. This is the CEO of Anthropic. I've written a new essay on why the AI industry should slow down with a three part plan for doing so. Anthropic is unilaterally committing to the first of these steps. We'll provide third-party evaluators with permanent employee-level access to our system so that they can verify adherence to our safety measures, report on incidents, assess models, alignment during training.

10:26You can read the full post below. And if you go through it, there's a lot of things that he talks about. Elon supported it. Sam Altman came up. And by the way, if you want to kind of pull up a summary of it, Sam Altman came out and said, I agree with Dario that we need to pace the frontier. This has been a primary topic of discussions we've had at OpenAI in recent weeks. Committing to have an independent evaluators with employee-like access is a great idea, and we will do the same. We'll have more to share soon. Musk says, I agree. I've been saying this for a while, and Dario is right. Very simple.

10:59Bernie Sanders sees this as an opportunity to say even more. So he says, I'm glad finally everybody is agreeing with me. if you want to go to Bernie Sanders' account, I'm glad everybody is finally agreeing with me, but this is not enough. We need to go even further than this. If you just go to people right there, just type in people to his account, he says we need to go even further than this, of what's going on, and I'm glad they're finally supporting it. I think it's lower than that. If you go a little bit lower, you should find it. Anyways, and then the president, there you go. Warning in 2001, when artificial and summoning, Elon Musk says, Jacobson warning about existential threat of AI as a setup, really?

11:39In 2014, Musk said, okay, so this is previous to that. But he's saying now more people are joining him. I think it's on the retweet section of Bernie Sanders. Then the president was asked about this. And when the president was asked about it, he gave a very different answer about what should happen. President's response, if you have that clip, when he was asked about it, they said, hey, are you using AI? What are you doing with this? And this is what he said about AI. Go for it. We take in a lot of their cars, car tariffs. President Trump, this week, again, there's been so much concern about AI.

12:11Have you heard directly from any of these AI tech leaders? And you seem to downplay some of the concerns that we've heard. But it's going to be more good than bad, but by a lot. And I've said it from the beginning. Whoever wins AI, and we're leading by a lot. Whoever wins AI wins. Have you ever used it yourself? How do you use AI? I would say, you know, for the most part, you can use AI for a lot of things. What do you use it for? Speaking of AI. I don't want to tell you. So, Tom, your thoughts about everything that's going on here. Wow, where to start? First of all, it was very interesting. I was looking at the playing field all this weekend, and what was very interesting, you have Dario and Sam Altman, the frontier guys, the undisputed leaders, 1A and 1B, right?

13:00These are the heavyweights. They're out there saying things together. Why are they saying that? Then you get David Sachs, who'd been working, you know, digital czar with the White House, saying, wait a minute, you guys don't need permission to do this. You could do these things out of competitive impulse. You could do things out of free market. You could do a lot of things. David Sachs wrote a very, very long response that said, you don't need permission. Then you have Elon Musk saying, I'm mostly with the Modi because he'll never say he's with Sam because he had that big lawsuit thing. But he's really with both of them, where they are.

13:33And then you had a variety of other people, including, you know, Nadella and Microsoft. He says, no, no, no, wait a minute. It's got to apply across all companies. Let me translate Nadella. Time out. Don't leave Microsoft out. Okay, that's what Nadella said. And then Jensen Wang was, he said, man, what's the commercial incentive here? Might you guys be thinking about regulatory capture? and then lena khan comes out and she was the previous chairman of the ftc and she wrote a very eloquent by the way i'm not necessarily a fan of everything but lena khan because i don't think she was full capitalism i think she was also you know likes to find a few people in terms of regulatory capture and then favor those and i don't like that but even bill gurley came out from benchmark and said hey you know she made a very relevant point what she said is like hang on The Federal Trade Commission has got a bunch of mechanisms in place.

14:27Number one, we can regulate defective products. Number two, we can regulate oligopolies, similar to what happened in insurance markets on the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina when State Farm backed out. State Farm backed out, left only a few insurance providers in the Gulf, Pat. So what did they do? They raised rates together and they lock arms. And she's like, wait a minute, we've got ways to do this. And Bill Gurley merely responded, well said. And so I look at it and I want to know two things. The first thing I want to know is where's the commercial outcome here? What are we going to do? Are we going to pull back and limit and then these guys are going to favoritism for the government?

15:12A, something along those lines? Or B, is it just going to go? But one thing you know for sure, if you limit what's going on, China will speed up. So if you believe that there's a global competition for AI as a product, then if you limit one side, you're basically open. What's the right move, Tom? I think the right move is to leave it open because anything that Bernie Sanders says, remember what Bernie Sanders called for. You know the Dems. Vinny, this isn't math. This is just politics. What did we find in all the bills about the inflation bill? A bunch of other stuff that had nothing to do with it, right?

15:51Guess what Bernie wants in the AI regulatory bill? A China treaty. Really? So you from the far left and your crazies and your Marxist, quasi-Marxist, you want a China treaty. I'm so surprised Bernie wants a China treaty in the middle of this. So I think the right move. Leave the open market. Leave it to go. But you can't have a situation where basically AI-powered bots go nuts on the Internet and create havoc. That's a defective product, and you can't do that. So whether it's going to be a situation where the embedded observers, remember they were talking about the embeds? They would be embedded observers.

16:29Banking already has embedded observers. They watch their emails back and forth at the federal level to make sure there's no collusion. It seems like something happened to Dario recently. And you have to realize, like the president saying we have to continue China, all this other stuff. Who knows more about AI, the guys that are running it or the president? The guys that are running it. So let's just kind of put that up there. Now, who is the guy that they need if they want to overregulate the advancement of superintelligence and AI? They need the president. They need the White House. And by the way, I don't know if the market's opened up yet.

17:00I don't think it's going to be a good opening. I think people are going to overreact right off the bat. What's it looking like right now? If we look down, NASDAQ is down 305. Nothing crazy yet. S &P is down. Dow Jones is down. Nothing crazy yet, but they're down, right? 0.2%. We'll see how people are going to be talking about everything that's going on. And in the paper that he wrote, Dario, he did say a few things. One, he said we must slow the pace, but he's not calling for stopping AI research or shutting it down. Slow the pace. and then he says that several months made him more concerned, particularly because AI is becoming increasingly capable of helping develop better AI.

17:41The beginning of what researchers worry could become recursive self-improvement. The recent autonomous agent incident scared him. We know which one that is. We kind of talked about it recently about it. His point was essentially the current agents weren't capable enough to cause catastrophic damage, but imagine the same behavior from models 10x more capable, which is going to be around the corner. His timeline is 6 to 12 months. He warned that within 6 to 12 months, a sufficiently capable swarm of misaligned AI agents could potentially establish a persistent botnet across the Internet and cause hundreds of billions of dollars in damage.

18:13He wants independent outsiders physically inside AI companies. So he wants third-party looking in to see what's going on, what they're doing. so third-party safety evaluators would get employee-like access, desks, badges, company laptops, and access comparable to internal risk teams, so companies aren't effectively grading their own homework. Anthropic says it will do it itself. He wants competing AI companies to coordinate, open AI, other frontier labs. And then, you know, China's obviously the big problem. He still says that he supports America. He doesn't support America simply putting a brake on it.

18:47But Michael Burry came out and said, this is all an act. They're all faking it to hype it up, to say we have such incredible technology. Buy our shares. The IPO is going to be so much bigger. Michael Burry is coming from that angle with what he's saying. So all in all, you know, the reality of it is Michael Burry, AI leaders, call for slowdown or self-serving. And humanity has nothing to fear is what Michael Burry said. In this, Xi is coming in the next 10 days, 11 days to meet with the president. This will be one of the main topics they'll be talking about. But for me, here's how it works, Tom.

19:18This is how I see it. And please challenge your pushback, Tom. I see it as this. Okay, let's look at binary options. Guess what? We shut it down and we do nothing. If we do nothing, you have to assume that other people will also do nothing. What's the chances of China shutting you down and doing nothing? They're not. Very low. What's the chances? Zero. Exactly. Number two is let it rip. Keep going and let's go to super intelligence, which is going to happen next 6 to 12 months, 24 months. Okay, what then happens if we go to that route? What happens if super intelligence shows up? Go to best case, worst case scenario.

19:55Best case scenario is what? Life is better. Surgeries, doctors, all that stuff. Life is better. Health, your back pain goes away. All that stuff goes away. Surgeries are better. Medicine is better. All of that stuff that could happen. What else could happen? Business, you know, economy gets so good for them that they're making so much money that people are independently getting money and debt goes down and we can pay off our$40 trillion of national debt, maybe that's the best. What's the worst-case scenario if we continue with superintelligence? It starts thinking for itself, and it starts thinking that we're lesser than it is and tries to take over.

20:29And when he talks about the hacking, hacking into not just a regular system and ruining the economy, if it hacks into our nuclear capability, Pat, and starts doing things on its own and starts thinking for itself and says, you know what? we're going to start, I'm going to hack into this nuclear system and I'm going to fake a launch or try to launch something. That's the worst case scenario. What do you think the worst case will be, Tom? Well, the worst case scenario, they said that about the reason we have such security investment in cybersecurity investment is because basically Romanians and Chinese and bad actors have been trying to get into water treatment plants and things for a long time and sometimes are very successful.

21:09They've been trying to get information, Vinny. They've been trying to put them in a position where they could turn off water pumping power. There's a lot of things that they've been trying to do. This just is a tool that gets them to get closer to it. So the question that I have is you could put the fear monger on anything that if we didn't have back in the day Barracuda. And then we did, well, we don't like Kapursky software because Kapursky, man, they're aligned with the Russians. And so they actually helped the Romanians on the back end, for the love of God, don't use Capersi software, only use, oh, wait a minute, Intel was buying McAfee, so Intel wanted you to use McAfee.

21:45Oh, wow. Weird. Or Norton. Wow, what a coincidence. You pick on this to get that. When all the fear mongers come out there, I look at it and say, wait a minute. You know, wait a minute. Every time we've reached something in the internet, we have found other ways of protection and control. We now have incredible controls on commerce so that you can't steal identity. That was my question. My question was, what's the worst thing that can happen, Tom? The worst thing that can happen is that the recursive technology on an island of its own spins up and then goes out to wreak havoc. And then the question is, wait a minute.

22:21Well, then where's the backside to shut it down or pull it back? So the worst case is things happen and some of the, but, you know. Could it be catastrophic, Tom? Could it be catastrophic to, like, systems? See, I don't worry about people in this. I worry about things. But things will hurt people. So if it shuts down electricity, people get hurt. Shuts down water plants, people get hurt. So the worst case scenario is that the recursiveness, you know what recursive is? It starts spinning. Yeah. And it starts improving itself in milliseconds. And so it figures out how to get into something. It does it together.

22:57The worst case is things like that. What bothered me about the hugging face from two weeks ago was the claim. And it's only it's never been. No one has come out and produced like a full paper on this. And I want to read the paper. It's the same thing that Jensen Wang talked about. I want to read the paper and tell me, did those bots really work together? Remember, that was point one. They work together. Did they act as a swarm and sacrifice themselves? In other words, you do this and then I'll erase you. And then did they do it in such a way because they anticipated the human response, that the humans were going to go in and try to track it?

23:36Did that happen with Hugging Face? Now then, all right, Amode is saying, well, the Hugging Face app helped me convince the AI I need to slow down. Is he saying that even his people couldn't get in there and put the guardrails around it, like security and things like this? every new thing on the internet needs security for it. Every new drug needs the FDA to limit it, although the FDA is full of... Can you explain to the audience what the Hugging Face is? So Hugging Face was basically, think of it as an AI community. Think of it as a group of engineers. What do they call it? Develops computation tools for building apps and machine learning.

24:19So in other words, think of it as like, oh, hey, don't rebuild the CRM. Go get an open source AI engine, put it in, and then you build your software because the AI engine's already been invented. Hey, don't build a commerce checkout. Go to open source, plug it in, and then put your ideas around it. So Hugging Face put together agents and facilities and tools to help AI development. And what happened was it got a little out of hand. A little? I want to see people. You got a little crazy last night. I want to see the paper that says that they effectively made AI bots that work together, that sacrifice themselves and covered.

24:58Roughly 700 to 1 ,200 AI agents created their own chat outside of you running it. 70 ,000 messages they shared with each other on how to get smarter. Then in a span of four and a half days, one of the agents did 17 ,500 actions on his own. Not even his own, on its own, right? So it's kind of like, wait a minute. What just happened? Now you guys are communicating with each other. We can't even see it. With no permission. So the AI agents are communicating with one another, and you're not seeing this. So imagine you have kids, okay? And for the most part, you have control over your kids. Remember back in the day's AOL chat, and you would get into private rooms.

25:39So all of a sudden, private rooms, nobody knew what was going to be talked about in the private rooms. What are you guys talking about in the private rooms? I can't tell you about that. Nowadays, of course, there's plenty of other ways of doing it. but they essentially created their own WhatsApp group, their own signal, and they communicated. Nobody could see it. Now they've gotten like, whoa, wait a minute, come back here. So, Adam, your thoughts on this? Yeah, that was the how. Well, like I said last week, the guy that spoke up, what was his name again? What was the kid's name? Jacob Hackson.

26:07Coxon. Some people were hating on him. Some people were appreciating him. I lean on the side of appreciating him because he started this deeper conversation. I feel like we've been talking about this, sort of running around, and now we're like in the eye of the storm having this conversation. And here's my thoughts. You said a word, PBD, that I was like, all right, bingo, there it is. You said the word binary and I'm not going trans, non-binary here. I'm saying the thing with AI for me is one word, balance. And it comes down to regulation versus innovation. So like if you're gonna do an investment, anytime you're gonna make an investment, it comes with risk and it comes with reward.

26:45Those are the binary situations you've got going on right now. Do you want to overregulate this like Bernie does, or do you want to go pro-innovation, pro-growth like Trump does? Bernie's never built a business. I'm never going to side with Bernie on anything business, economic, growth, because he's never done it. Trump's done it. Now, is he being a little too aggressive, a little overzealous? Maybe, but I'm not erring on the side of caution to the point where I'd shut it down. This is not a Bernie-Trump thing. No, but there's more to it, though. No, but I get that. But what I'm saying to you is this isn't Bernie against Trump.

27:18For me, what this is— It's what they represent. For me, it's Trump against the AI companies. That's what it is? It is. It is because you have to—

27:31Okay, so think about guys that have their money in AI companies. Just speculate here, Tom. Imagine if you had a million dollars in Anthropic and you put a million dollars, you put ten million dollars in Anthropic. OK, if you right now type in, if I put ten million dollars in Anthropic, watch this, just just just so you know, if I put ten million dollars in Anthropic five years ago, if I put ten million dollars in NVIDIA five years ago, what are they worth today? Let's just kind of see. Ten million dollars in Anthropic. These are not business guys, meaning they're investors. They're just kind of putting the money in there, right?

28:09If you had put$10 million in Anthropic five years ago, or if you had put$10 million in NVIDIA five years ago, today they would be worth, when you see the numbers, you'll realize why this is such a big thing. It's still doing the math to find out what it is. What do you think it is? What kind of growth? We're talking 10X? We're talking more? Anthropic,$10 million today would be worth$587 million. Okay, hang on a second. No, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You ready? No, no. If you put$10 million in Anthropic five years ago, today would be worth$16.45 billion. Jeez. It's a good rate of return. Did you hear what I just said?

28:48Yeah. Let me say this to you one more time. Can you show that? If you would have put$10 million in Anthropic, it's worth$15.49 billion. Wow. Did you see that number? So imagine if you're a regular guy. By the way, if you would have put$1 million, guess what it's worth? $1.5 billion. If you would have put$100 ,000, guess what it's worth? $150 million, just five years. These are ridiculous. I wish we got an early PPD. What I'm trying to tell you is if investors are sitting there, they're like, dude, keep going. Keep going. Don't slow down. Don't stop. So I'm not really listening to investors. Good point.

29:27And I'm listening to the operators that are on the inside saying this is what I'm definitely not listening to the viewpoint of what Bernie's going to say. You best believe data centers and AI will be a marketing election topic in 2028. 100. You're going to get fear porn coming at you in ways you've never seen. They're going to scare the crap out of average people who are not following this very closely. Yet at the same time, Adam, I do think there needs to be a listening to what these AI companies are doing on the inside. All I would do is the following. Think about what Integrity bought us. Say we have$10 billion and we're an aggregator.

30:11We go buy companies. If you buy 20 % into the company, Tom, would you really install an executive in that company if you're only buying 20 % of the company and the companies worth$200 million? Would we, Tom? If we buy a$200 million company and we're buying only 20 % of it, would you install an executive in there to tell you what's going on? At the venture stage early on? Yes. Absolutely. because that would still probably be a series A, series B. We would get one man on the board. Okay, one man on the board. But I'm talking inside working at the home office. No, no, no. Embeds and people doing things like that.

30:45So check this out. But now watch how the question changes when I ask Tom this. What happens if we bought 100 % of that$200 million auto company? What's the likelihood you and I are installing an executive in the company? We are at the very minimum going to install or control the CFO. and probably would definitely install or control head of revenue because we want to protect the revenue and protect the books. So this would be our first – that's day one, Pat. But we would probably then put our own CEO in once we secure. Sure, but just to simplify, Tom, to the average person, we're probably going to put a couple people in there to see what's going on with the investment.

31:21Minimum of three. You own 100 % of the company, of course, right? But what I'm saying is now imagine you're dealing with a company that's worth a couple trillion dollars who has impact into the U.S. economy, a$32,$33 trillion company, and the CEO is offering to say, hey, can you guys come in and also see this outside of just us? So that's the part where you have to kind of see where there's two things that happen. Overregulation. Some will call that regulation. And some are going to say, hey, that sensible monitoring of what's going on with this company in case it goes. That's going to be the argument.

31:55And Tom, where are you going to be with this argument? Are you going to be somebody that's going to say, hey, let's kind of watch it? Are you going to say, leave it alone, let free enterprise do its thing? Here's what I don't want. I don't want regulatory capture by these two. I do not want. Which two? By open AI and, you know, Anthropic. I don't want regulatory capture. But just to be clear, why do you say those two? Because there's more. Those are the frontier models. No, no. Those are the frontier models. Those are the big two? Yes. Okay. So picture Coke and Pepsi. Hey, Pat, what's going on, Tom?

32:28Pat's Coke, I'm Pepsi. Look, I got an idea. You and I need to use a specific type of sugar, and then let's lock that out as the definition of the only sugar the FDA will approve in soda. Well, wait a minute. 7-Up, Dr. Pepper, Royal Crown Cola, they'll all be kind of pushed to the... Oh, wait a minute. Yeah, what were you about to say? Hey, I like this idea. So that's regulatory capture. And so I don't want regulatory capture where the two giants say, oh, this is going to happen. We're going to slow down. And they do it so that they get to help write the rules. That's not what I want. But I don't want Bernie to jump in and then write the rules from a regulatory restrictive.

33:17And so I look at it this way. Look, if Pat and I – do you remember the early days of EVs? Do you remember how many batteries caught fire? A lot. They're still doing it. Right. Yeah, that was ridiculous. But not like they used to. EVs, electric vehicles, EVs. So the EV – do you have any idea how much power is in an EV battery? Remember the TV ads for the Ford F-150 Lightning? And you can plug it into your house and run your house on safe AC for up to six hours. That's how much power is in the damn EV batteries. Your truck could have powered your house for emergency AC in Phoenix for six hours. So guess what?

33:57Those batteries were— Tom, this is different. I think this is slightly different. And I'll tell you what I think is slightly different on the positive side. Okay, you know how you ever hear that line? You go to a meeting and they say, imagine if you had a business that was working 24-7, making money for you, right? Oh, my God. Guess what? Shopify does that. You know, nowadays, like if you ran a storefront 20 years ago pre-internet, you had to be open from what time to what time. Say 8 a.m. to 10 p.m., and people would buy. But after that, nobody's buying products from you. Now the internet came out, what would they say?

34:30You're selling. By the way, people buy shoes at 12 or 1, 2 o 'clock in the morning, 1 o 'clock in the morning, all over the world. 111 countries, people buy merch, right? Pre-Shopify, pre-online shopping, that didn't exist. Tom, the part that people are a little bit shaken up by this, the hugging face, 1 ,200 agents create a private chat, communicate with each other, 70 ,000 messages. One of them does 17 ,500 actions in four and a half days. These are things that you lose control of the innovation. If it's controlled by man, great. But if all of a sudden the negative things happen there, you have to be a little bit careful what could happen there.

35:13I think there needs to be like just like there's compliance internally within a company. Like, for instance, you know, for us, and this is coming from us being in the financial industry. Do you think it was helpful that there was certain compliance regulatory issues in the stock market post 1929 versus pre? Like, you know what, you know, who is Joe Kennedy, right? He's the reason why they created insider training. He's the reason why they created what they did. Because Joseph Kennedy is one of the reasons why 1929 crashed. Right? Do you think the SEC coming out creating some regulation was a good thing, Tom?

35:46Do you think Series 7s was a good thing? Do you think watching over some of that was a good thing? Yeah. As long as it's not overregulation, I agree. You need to have rules of the road for sure. I agree with that. Do you agree? Let me explain. I want to see what Tom's going to say. I agree with that. But what I'm saying about regulatory capture is I don't want the refs secretly wearing an anthropic jersey. And if Abthropic gets to write the – this is what regulatory capture is, if you've never heard about it. Regulatory capture is where the people in the industry that's being regulated are really secretly writing the rules so the refs – 100%.

36:19The refs are wearing the wrong jersey. These are two different things, Tom. No, no. These are two different things. That's not what I'm talking about. I think they're interrelated. And then on the other side, you do have to have the controls. But you've had controls of industries dating back to asbestos. And I understand what the concern is here, but I want to see the research paper because I want people to see and understand how hackers have already created, you know, bots and things that work like this when all the bot swarms attack X or bot swarms. That's different. That's messaging. By the way, that's manipulation.

36:52And you're right. That's manipulation. But the speed and the number of instances that are happening, people need to understand. Tom, when the average person goes, I mean, can you guys do me a favor, do this one more time, and ask this question on Claude and ask this question on ChadGBT. What are the chances of what superintelligence is going to do within 10 years? Can you ask that same question we asked last week on both Claude and ask the question on ChadGBT? Of it doing something negative? Okay. And this is AI is giving you this answer. This is not a human being that's giving you this answer, right?

37:29If you're not logged in, don't worry about it. Just go to a chat, GBT. Next time, let's just stay logged in. If AI is telling us there is a, go a little bit lower because it shows the probability, AI reaches something reasonable called AGI by 2036, 60 to 80%. AI reaches genuine superintelligence, lost control of actual produces human extinction. I mean, it itself, probability of AI extinction by 2036. 5%. If it's 5%, you still have to pay attention to it. To me, at 5%, you have to have the right measures. But now it's what, right? You have to ask your question. What? AI running what it's doing right now is not what.

38:09This is AI and robots, things. I keep talking about things. The Internet of Things and the Internet of Autonomous Things. If you have an autonomous robot that is self-powered and programmed, then you can have extinction because now these robots are going to do bad things do to air-breathing mammals. What I look at is right now, it's interference. What it interferes with is systems and things that we depend on. Water, power, all of these things like this. In the future, talking about human extinction, what's going to extinct a human if he gets control of it and shuts off a water plant? We're going to go figure it out, shut everything down, turn the plant back on.

38:51But it's the things... I don't think you're paranoid. I think the whole concept of only the pair of Tom, just so you know, financially, I benefit from this thing going financially. I'm in it. I'm in Anthropic. I'm in NVIDIA. I'm in. I get access to these things that they contact me. I'm in these opportunities. Okay. They call people like us and you say, hey, how much money should we put into this? I think you just put$100 ,000, put a half a million dollars, put a million dollars. I'm good with this going. However, to allow it to think for itself nonstop and create and get into systems and hack, people need six to eight hours of sleep.

39:32You can't compete with a system that doesn't sleep at night, and it can replicate itself into the hundreds of thousands of people. And it's getting – I'm on that. Let me ask you – I'm going to answer your question directly, say I'm not paranoid enough. Think back into my answers here. What am I asking for? I'm asking for a deeper understanding of hugging face and what actually happened there, number one. Number two, I'm watching those two guys to see what they're doing because I'm not 100 % with David Sachs, but I'm with David Sachs' questions. Wait a minute. You could be doing it yourself. You don't need permission.

40:02You don't need permission. I'm with them there. I'm with Bill Gurley saying, you know, there are laws out there that are already here that can absolutely crush you and make it impossible for you to have an IPO, by the way. If it's deemed too poisonous, Pat, there is no IPO for Anthropic. Guess what? There is no return for the hundreds of millions and then billions that were put in by investor tranches. So I want to see it. And do I want, you know, full, recursive, autonomous things running out there? No. That would be bad. But am I non-paranoid? No. But I want data. And I also don't try. Tom, I'm getting you.

40:40I get what you're saying, Tom. I'm tracking. I'm tracking all I've seen. I'm going to make one more short point. And I'm also not configs. And Coxon is not a plant and a manipulated story. I understand. The guy, the Jacob guy. Tom, do you know my level of credibility of that being manipulated a week ago? Where was that? 90. 80, 90 percent. You know where it's at today? 50. 30 percent. You know why? Why do you think it is? Why do you think it is, Tom? What do you think changed my mind? Because the two leaders came out and said things. The guy that runs the company is telling you the hugging face was weird, so you ought to listen to him at least.

41:20I'm not telling you, you know. I am listening. I'm asking for the deal. You and I both. I want it as well. But what I'm saying is if that guy's coming out, what is Dario's net worth? Can you guys type in what is Dario's net worth? What is Dario's net worth? Dario's net worth. Implied. To implied net worth. Just type in net worth. I mean, implied or, yeah, net worth. Okay. Allegedly. What is Dario's net worth? I mean, in stuff like this, we can just ask Google. It'll be a lot faster there. Eight to$15 billion. $15 billion guy. You know what you're doing at$15 billion? You go to a restaurant, services and goods, you buy the restaurant.

41:54He has weird kind of money. So to me, when he says it and Elon says it and others are saying it. Sam Altman, too. They were all in agreement. Sam Altman also said if Trump and G come together and find a way to make this work, they could get the Nobel Peace Prize. Now, having said that, the part where for me, I'm 100 % with Tom, my opinion with this would change based on one factor. And I want to move on to the next story because I'm sure the audience is over AI, and trust me, we'll go to the next story. Is my decision-making on this change is based on one factor? Do I believe China is going to shut it down and not want to develop superintelligence?

42:35I don't believe they are. I think China is going to program their superintelligence, and in their system, they're going to say, who's the enemy? Us. U.S. is the enemy. Capitalism's the enemy. And China's superintelligence that's being created with that level of thinking, with America being the enemy, is going to target who? Us. It's going to target us. And so the war of superintelligence is coming in the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years, and it's going to be nasty, and there is possibilities of horrible things taking place. but meaning to say time out to the entire world, I don't think that'll happen.

43:08You know who agrees with you though, right? Dario Amodi, the CEO of Anthropic, came out and said, he said, he said, I'm hawkish on China. I'm skeptical of China. Everything I do is basically concerning what China will do. At the same time, he also recognizes that you need to work with them because if the whole world goes down, China's going down. You do have to work with them. All I need is 30 seconds. No, not at all. And all I need is 30 seconds. You nailed it. We kind of just brushed over it. Obama already came out. They're going to use the AI thing as a talking point, not for the 2028, for the midterms.

43:40That's going to be their new climate change thing. But remember, who was the gentleman that we had here the other day? Tusi. Tusi was saying, you know, when people had cars and planes, it was like, oh, my God, what is this? This is not fear porn. This is real concerns with the hugging face. You put up guardrails. AI proved that it can bypass and go around your guardrails. So who's to stop that? You can put as much as you want, Pat. This thing is designed to think a million times faster than all of us, and it keeps getting smarter. Whatever guardrail you put, it can find out how to go wrong. Watch this here.

44:13Here's a simple thing to be thinking about. What is your total followership you can have in the world? 8.5 billion. 8-point-something billion. Thank you. What is the followership an AI agent can have in the world? how many agents can super intelligence create to be working 24 what's the limit how does 8.5 billion compete with infinite you can't and that's a real thing that's all I'm saying guys you know if you're going against China guess how many military they're going to have you have to take the right age 18 to 35 which is going to be the fighting and you have to take the amount of ships and you have to take the amount of weapons and you have to take the amount of nuclear weapons You have to take them out of planes.

44:57You have to take them out of jets. It's still limited. Yep. There is no limit with the eye agent. And that should be concerning. And all I'm saying is you have to look at this in a very different way. Because how many babies can you have in a security? How many babies can a man have? How many babies can a man have? Genghis Khan. How many did he have? Literally 25 % of the world is DNA to him. He had thousands, I think. Okay. But how many babies can he have? So as much of Genghis Khan, how long does he have to wait for every baby to be born? Nine months. 40 weeks. How many babies can an AI agent have?

45:32How many babies can? And how long does he have to wait? How long does that AI have to wait? It doesn't have to wait. One second. Go compete with somebody that can make unlimited amount of babies by the second. Yeah, good luck to you. See what happens with that, right? See what happens with that. So this is a very different way of looking at it. I just think that also what this brings it to, which the part, you know, that I applaud Tom is the following. Do you know every human being that I look at, you know how I judge a lot of my guys when I work with some of my guys? How many of them were, not the word receptive, what is the word that you are?

46:12Coachable? No, no, no, that you can get a virus. What's that word that you are? It sounds like receptive, but it's a different word. Susceptible? Susceptible. Susceptible, right? how susceptible some people are to fear porn. I look at my guys. I look at all of you guys, just so you know. I look at my kids. I look at my sales guys. I look at my BDC guys. I look at my executive guys. And I say, how susceptible is that guy to fear porn? How quickly does it go? Zero to the end of the world. That's a big percentage of people, right? Tom's not going there. Tom's going to, let me tell you what's happened in history here to look at this, right?

46:48I try to, as much as I can, try to stay in the reasonable side to see and listen to both sides. Because you don't want to be part of the camp. Let me tell you, Charlie Kirk. Let me tell you, Lindsey Clancy. Let me tell you, you know, like, here's who's behind it. This is what they're doing. Okay, got it. You're part of the susceptible community. You're a problem. Because you create what? You create chaos for others. This is an area where the risk factor on this could be very high. You have to pay attention. I think the right parties need to get involved. I think there needs to be a meeting of all minds at the White House with the president, with the right brains, with the right minds, and sitting there saying, what do you think we need to be doing?

47:33I think that needs to be happening. So we'll see if it'll happen or not. Let me get to the next story. Next story. as if people are not already tired of hearing about a woman being innocent for killing her three kids that 18 minutes during that time she lost her mind and she goes and kills her eight-month-old I think three-year-old and five-year-old and then tries to jump out and a husband comes in and he goes upstairs and see what's going on and if you hear the recording you were telling me finally I had a chance to read it and listen to it, read it. It's disturbing. Then you mean to tell me the media now doxes the holdout juror from Lindsey Clancy?

48:14What do you mean you're going to dox him? Yeah, they try to dox him. So to reveal information about him to the public? Yes. Well, what did they say about this guy? Well, wait till you hear what they said about this guy, okay? They said this guy has a holdout juror on Lindsey Clancy's trial, faced domestic violence allegation against his wife. But charge was dismissed, and he had some issues with his nephew. Oh, really? Yeah. This is a terrible human being. Terrible human being. And you guys want to listen to him? He has no credibility when they try to dox this guy. No credibility for what he did.

48:52But Lindsey Clancy killed her three kids. Yeah. She went through trauma. You don't know what she was going through. But not the man. Not the man. This is where contradictions and hypocrisy comes out, and everybody starts. And by the way, the one reporter is like, he was a black man. Yes, he was a black man. Why would a black man ever defend three kids over a woman, a mother that killed her three kids? The contradictions galore are now at the highest level. Vinny, when you saw the story of them doxing the juror, how'd you react? I was furious because, and again, it's all the news. It's everybody to try to make it seem like this guy.

49:30Pat, I'm telling you right now, I don't care if he's shoplifted. uplifted i don't care if he why you all allege and by the day what did he say about the case that it didn't make it in court they threw it out i don't care about any of that when it came to the facts of the case he was the only one that had the freaking soul to say you know what i'm sorry all the other stuff aside the drugs the pills or whatever the psychiatrist or psychologist she killed them all and he got it and mind you this isn't this isn't liberal boston this is in Massachusetts Tom everybody thinks like that and for the judge even the judge to come out and publicly look at you and say hey listen follow the rules that I'm saying which is basically the judge getting involved and saying you guys should all think all alike do what I'm saying and I'm telling you guys to let her walk because my question is this too and I'm going to come back to what Connor I slack you a video of this main juror whoever they're bringing out as like their talking point hold out what's her name I don't know what her name is, Pat, but she said that this is a turning point to make life better for women.

50:38Listen, buddy, they keep dragging this lady out. Listen to what she says. Go ahead. Audio. We knew that this was a turning point, and this would be something that could change something to make it better for other women in the future, for other families. you know justice for those children is this never happening again oh so just to let you know this case this case is just so other women you can kill your kids and there's a chance that you're going to walk because of one guy guys because of one guy they're going to retry it okay i don't know if it's happening in the same place or not are they doing it and what's is it what's the official announcement yeah i don't know if you guys could look that up connor is this is the Because it's a mistrial.

51:26Correct, Tom? I thought we were waiting for judicial review. Judicial review and to find out if they're going to do it again. They have to get a whole brand new jury. Where is it going to be taking place? I think they have to go out of state. Because it's not like you're going to get another fair shot because of this one guy. So back to the story. I can care less what you guys are alleging that he's done. Everybody has a past. Okay? But it's this case. It's this case. And how many psychiatrists and psychologists have to say, this is the rarest thing we've ever seen? It's highly unlikely that for the time that she was killing them and strangling them She heard a voice in her head and then she never heard it again And then she tried to kill herself And it's really funny that all these women lately And there's a bunch of cases that are happening They are so good at murder when it comes to their children They are great, but when it comes to doing it to themselves They suck, they suck at it And it's on purpose, they'll be like, look at me, I'm a victim At least I tried to do it Shame on them, Pat, shame on them I'm so proud of this guy This guy deserves a freaking medal I think so.

52:25I think this guy should change his last name to Manchin and just make it official. Yeah. Right? Yeah, you're right. If you know what I'm saying. Joe Manchin, shout out. Exactly. Exactly. Look, that juror does not sound like a deliberating juror. That juror sounds like judiciary. Nope. Sounds like legislative. She's saying change the word from decision to legislation. We knew this legislation would represent great change for the future of women. You see it? They went in there thinking they're creating precedent and legislation. They thought that they were taking the feelings of their position and using the outcome of the change.

53:04The difference between them and Carrie Best, who said on the documentaries for the OJ case, A, this was payback for Rodney King. That sounds like you're talking about legislation. This legislation is payback for the tax cuts that benefited the rich. That's what it sounds like to me. And I'm not trying to be shrill here. I'm going to pull it back a little bit. That's what I hear. And when I went and I watched the Oprah interview, I watched as I could, all dressed in white and all their pearls and everything. And when did you notice how they got kind of stuck at one point when they said, and he was black, that all of a sudden you could hear the screeching breaks inside their heads?

53:41Wait a minute. The narrative. The narrative. For the love of God, save the narrative is what they did. And so I'm disgusted by it. Those jurors went off, and this is where you've got a jury out of control that the juries think that they're there to create political activism in their decision. Jurors do that. I'm going to be a political activist. I'm going to go get my book deal. This is what I'm going to do. And they know they're on a high-profile case, and I look in their eyes, and I look at this, and that's the feeling I get. Well, they just sound like sore losers. Have you ever been to jury duty, any of you guys?

54:15Of course. Yes. So for me, I've been to jury duty. You've been to jury duty? Listen, as much as it's sort of annoying, you've got to take weeks or months out of your life, it's your civic duty. It's part of America. Thank God we have a judicial system where actually you can get a fair trial. This lady, Lindsay Clancy, whether you like her or dislike her, she received a fair trial. And when it comes to jury duty, it's a three-step process, because I went through this. Number one, you get summoned. You know, you get a letter in the mail, and dozens of people show up. You're sitting in a pool. and then you get into a little room and here's the here's the crux of the issue both lawyers question the potential jurors for fairness and potential bias what do you think of this what do you think of this it's like an NBA draft you're like I'll take this guy I'll take that guy now get that guy out of here and then finally they build their final jury they said these are the final 12 people great so stop crying over kill uh spilled milk you selected this guy you had the opportunity to say, no, we don't want this guy.

55:16We want this person. So the lawyers have the opportunity to remove these jerks. They did not remove him. And the chips fall where they may. And now a lot of people giving this guy massive respect, you know, he just had the hardest time getting over the fact that she viciously murdered her three kids. What's wrong with it? Trump's being asked about whether he would pardon her or not. Here's what he ought to say. Clancy's attorney last week asked you to pardon her. Is that under consideration? I know it's a very sad situation. I certainly heard that. But it's, look, it's a very sad. There is no winner there.

55:53There's no win no matter what you do. It's three children are dead. So I don't know. But it's actually a state situation, you know, not a federal. He's asking you to call the prosecutor in the state. Would you do that? I appreciate that it goes that way. And he's a good attorney. I've heard from other people he's a very good attorney. I hope they can work it out That's something they have to work out There is no win there Right And then he said she's either going to end up in jail or a mental asylum It's election year Yeah, but here's my question When is the last time, maybe I'll ask you a honest question And I know the president may be listening Mr.

56:30President, you know I know you're being very careful there And I know it's a state thing And that's true But I think there's a lot of people that are waiting for you to say no, I don't think I would pardon her, and I'm going to let justice play out with whatever they decide for the new trial. But I think you having a clear voice on this one, there's a lot of people in America like me that are waiting to hear that because we see the lunacy on one side. Did you hear what DeSantis offered? He offered the juror potential asylum in Florida, meaning why would you offer someone asylum? He's a citizen, a resident of Massachusetts.

57:06that you only offer someone asylum, political asylum, if you actually think that somebody's going to try to do something to this guy. What are the chances that a radical leftist will try to do something out of the ordinary to a guy who basically was upholding the law? What are the chances that a crazy leftist would do something like that? These days, very high. That's why potentially he might have asylum. You mean like a CEO walking down the street because his company denied your grandmother coverage? Or an innocent guy speaking in front of a college. I want to ask you, Pat, well, any of you, would you feel comfortable if she was found not guilty because she lacked criminal responsibility, and then they put her somewhere where she had a legal path to be released to the public again?

57:47Because that's the goal of what they're talking about, is that this was just for this moment, and she was crazy for this moment. Now the kids are all freaking dead, so now she doesn't need all the medication, all the craziness, because it's done. Are you comfortable with that? Is anybody out there comfortable with her at some point walking free amongst the public? That's the question. Why are you yelling it off? Because it pisses me off. Okay, I get it. Because that's the goal is they're walking in public. Are you crazy? And you made a good point, too. With kids around and whatever, who makes it seem that she doesn't see another kid and goes, you know what, I got to kill that kid, too, because I'm crazy and I heard a voice in my head.

58:20That doesn't sit right with me. Nobody here is defending her. No, no, no, not defending you, because what's the main goal? If she was found out guilty, there's a legal pathway, Adam, for her to come back out and be around us, around people. Guys, for me, the fact that there's even this big percentage of the population trying to defend her, to let her off loose, to all of you, go watch the movie Primal Fear today. Make Primal Fear the number one movie on Apple. Sit there and watch it with others. Primal Fear, Edward Norton, Richard Gere. you will see what the hell is going on here right now. For 18 minutes, you lost it.

59:00Let me, you know, you know how many men would love to use the same example and say, babe, for two minutes. Yeah. I was captured for two minutes. Why was she naked when you had no clothes? Babe, I'm telling you, like, it's midlife crisis. It happens to men. Like, can you imagine, like, how many? Wait, but why does it keep happening to you? Why does it keep, like, at least once a week, I lose it for two minutes and I lose what's going on. You know what? You have to understand what it is to be a man. You know, you have to understand what it is to be a man. No. Stop it. I'd like that, kind of. I'd like that.

59:34Because I would be in here. You know what? Tom. I'd like that. Ladies and gentlemen. So it's like, Tom, your wife is listening. No, no, no. Not my wife. It's like, guys. No, we know not your wife. I was on a tour of the Capitol. I walked into Congress where they were debating. I don't remember the next 18 minutes. It was such a crazy day. Yeah, I was wild. Well, you went to a whole different place. But all we're talking about. Maybe you didn't get what I was saying, but let's go to the next story. You know where I went. Well, that's a little concerning, but let's come back. The whole audience knows where you went.

1:00:02I'd be doing American voters a favor. Yeah, but let's come back, Tom. Tom is joking, folks. That's what I tell you. Tom has got a deep inside gangster. You know, he's got some Mongols or Hell's Angels. I don't know what it was. He lived in these areas, so maybe they had a little influence over him. Let's go to the next story. Next thing I want to get into is what happened with the Houthis. Okay? So it's kind of a weird story on what they're doing. They are not slowing down. Okay? And what happened? If you can pull up the map so we know what section it is. Tom sent the map if you want to just pull up what he sent to everybody.

1:00:41So let me read the story to you. Houthis seize a key Red Sea island threatening another global oil route. The Iranian-backed Houthis militia seized Piram Island and Bab al-Mandab Strait. After days of fierce fighting, Yemeni government officials said Friday, given Iran and its allies sway over the two main routes for shipping oil out of the Middle East. The capture came as Saudi Arabia announced it had shut down a critical oil pipeline after a drone attack launched from Iraq and a day after Houthis' forces swept into the port city of Moha. Iran has already largely cut off oil through the Strait of Hormuz.

1:01:20Now its ally holds a foothold at the Red Sea bottleneck. Satellite images showed a plum black smoke more than 60 miles long near the pipeline. Amit and Nagi of the International Crisis Group called the takeover a game changer. In the past, they were creating uncertainty, but now they're controlling everything around Babel Mandab. Crown Prince Mohammed MBS urged President Trump and called this week to take military action. Trump declined but pledged intelligence and targeting support. The 2022 truce let the Houthis rebuild. They created new weapons, say, Katham House Faria al-Maslami. They made a much more brutal and efficient version of the state.

1:01:59Let me put it to you this way on what's happened. See that map right there? That's the island. They took over Moha, the historic port city. They took over Dubab, overlooking the strait. They took over Mayan Perum. They took over Zakur. And as of today, AP reports show now they've seized the greater and lesser of Hanish Island as well. This is right there on the bottom. Tom, if you want to kind of go through this to the average person, when we think about the Strait of Hormuz, that's the top. What we're talking about right now is more the bottom, the Djibouti, which about 12 percent of business goes through their town.

1:02:35Why is it so important? This is important because if you were to draw a line straight across Saudi Arabia, see Jeddah there to UAE, just draw a line straight across. The Saudis built a pipeline so they could have ships over there and the ships can go north to Cairo and they go through the Suez Canal, which goes to Mediterranean, and they could take oil to Europe. They also would go south through the Yemeni pinch, which is right there. And all the islands Pat's talking about is right where those two pieces of land come together. Right near Sheikh Dibouti and— Djibouti? Trying to get to you. Djibouti.

1:03:10Djibouti. Have a little respect for that booty. Keep going. So now watch what happens. So, A, Saudi pipeline goes all the way across. They go in the ships, and they go to Cairo north. But they also need to get to India and Indonesia and to China and other places. So Saudi built the pipeline. It could go south of that. This was their insurance policy. This was the insurance policy. They knew this was coming. And so they built this in case Iran went nuts, which they have. And now, guess what? Now the Houthis are controlling all of the stuff in Yemen there. And they are not good people. Everybody that lives on each side of that over there are not good people at all.

1:03:49And so now we have two areas that are pinched. And on top of it, if I make one comment, but we won't go there, just make the comment. Now you can see why Trump over the weekend said to Zelensky, I understand you're pounding Russian positions, but go easy on the diesel manufacturing because he's thinking about two things. World price of diesel and European access to diesel of those who do get it from Russia. Yeah. Add it up. It's a problem. By the way, 12 % of global trade. But this is kind of where I'm at, Tom. And I think this may be unpopular, but I'm kind of with MBS is where I'm at. You mean – so wouldn't you say this is a form of Iran expanding, expanding themselves?

1:04:39Houthis? Absolutely. Funded by Iran, they're expanding themselves. Guess what? Can I ask what the hesitation is with us taking over Karg Island? what is the hesitation with us taking over Karg Island? Well, the timing of it was limited because the ships that we tracked, remember we were tracking ships, USS Boxer, we were tracking minesweepers and amphibious assault ships, and they ran into serious technical issues after they came over. And I'm wondering where is the invisible hand holding us? Because I'm shocking me to say on this point, I agree with MBS. As soon as you go after Karg Island, one of two things.

1:05:22If you destroy it, Pat, you create a worldwide problem because that's where they fuel the ships. But if you take Karg Island and then they still hold the Strait of Hormuz, they're like, okay, all right, President Ellsworth, you got the island, but you ain't bringing that oil past here. and so it's like a standoff but I don't know why they wouldn't just take we or the coalition would not at this point take Kargai you know what it's like to me at this point okay you know you're there already I've made this publicly I said this on Mario in the fall when he had me I said I wouldn't have taken out Khamenei I said that publicly I wouldn't have killed him but guess what now you have if you have You sent all our best ships there.

1:06:10We're there. Iran keeps punking, Strait of Hormuz. You keep saying we have control over it. Obviously, we don't. And now Houthis is expanding publicly in your face, going to places and hurting good partners. You know what just happened right now with Canada? Mark Carney is going to EU because he wants to create a partnership now with EU. He's going out there and saying, let me go strike a deal with EU. And EU is like, let's entertain a conversation. We know EU is not necessarily 100 % with Trump. We know that for a fact, and they probably can't even wait for Trump to be done with his term. Okay.

1:06:44So if you have these Gulf states that are now siding with you, they're asking you for help. Now we're not moving. We're getting it to Intel. Iran is expanding with Houthis. You're already there. What are you hesitating on? By the way, you've already lost the PR race with Iran. So you're not going to get any better with the PR race. meaning if you've already heard what the PR rates, you saying the war is going to end after midterms, nobody believes you. Nobody believes you, including your supporters don't believe you. Eighty percent of them don't believe you that the war is going to end after at this point, after midterm.

1:07:19It's already taken ahead. You have to do a Republican National Convention where we have to talk about$5 ,000 if we win. You're bribing that's going to be a trillion dollar added to the deficit, which people don't support, and they don't support you doing that because Democrats are going to be able to do$100 ,000 per vote. Terrible idea. Double whammy. You're in it. You thought it was going to be easier. It's not. Even he said something the other day, which I actually love the fact that he said this. Trump said, where is the story about Trump saying, you know, sometimes you even, Trump on Iran war regrets.

1:07:54You can always question yourself a little bit. I don't know if you guys saw this clip or not. That's human. Yes. You can, yeah. Messed up. Yeah, you can always question yourself. We would have done. Can you play this clip, please? 225. Well, you don't know that. Any regrets? No. No regrets. I don't believe in the word regret. You can always question yourself a little bit. Good. I like that. So guess what, Mr. President? A few people have asked me that. Guess what? Your reputation is not going to change right now with the non-interventionists that are furious with you. President Bush the other day said something last Wednesday which he should watch.

1:08:33He said sometimes the non-interventionist movement expands and it does well and you forget that your partners that are doing business with you and buying from you who are living in that area are being affected by those who are intervening and expanding like Iran is. So guess what? Let it rip. Oh, are you saying to go do the war? They're hitting you. What are you talking about? At this point, even when some of the conservatives, you know, who like to go to Qatar and maybe some of you guys who are getting funded by Qatar, you know who you are. Qatar's not happy with what Iran is doing. Those are the guys that are giving you money.

1:09:12You know who you are. You may even sit there and say, hey, listen, man, I like the money I'm getting from Qatar. Can we intervene a little bit? Like deep down inside, even those guys are sitting there saying, we can't have Iran doing this. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like I'm giving you a different angle. But I think if that's what's going on, dude, let's go with Carg Island. Let's go with something. Publicly, they're saying, I'm going to take that real estate in your face, in your face, in your face. Now, keep in mind, behind closed doors, you know, the president's very good at saying, look here, look here, look here, bam.

1:09:48So stuff may be cooking behind closed doors and nobody knows it. But to me, if they keep expanding and your partners are taking a hit, you better make some calls. And behind closed doors, you better do something so the market is realizing you're not going to keep getting away with this because they are getting away with it right now. So my concern is do it fast. You know how sometimes like, you know, when you go to the doctor and they're doing some testing on you and you're Middle Eastern, you have a hairy chest, let's just say. I don't know what that means. And then they go like this. The stickers for all the, oh my God.

1:10:26And I just tell him, what are you doing, nurse? Rip it. Rip it. And then you scream like the scene from 40-year-old Virgin. And then you get it over with. Kelly Clarkson. Right? Yeah, you get it over with. So I think we're at a point right now that this lagging approach is going to be horrible for midterms, and I think it's going to be horrible for 2028. I would much, by the way, Tom, question for you. If you have a shot at losing midterms or 2028 presidency, and see which one would you rather lose? Well, I'm about to lose right now. So right now I'm thinking about 20-28, but I got to mitigate right now.

1:10:59So guess what? In your mind, yes, you're greedy. You want both. But the more you're lagging it, the more you're hurting both. Yes. Not one of them. Let it rip. Let us hate on you. Let us tell you you're the worst. Let everybody in the market talk shit. Look at him. He sucks. Approval rating sucks. The worst ever. Worse than this and worse than that and worse than that. Boom. And then afterwards, Iran's toppled. oh maybe it was a pretty good move but don't do it slowly take that thing out yeah go watch 40 year old virgin for inspiration let's roll is what i'm saying my opinion adam i'll give you thoughts on it i'm not a 40 year old virgin pat but i'll comment on the story um look i i'm i'm actually like a little nerd though right thank you sir it's a good look i want to give you a wedgie it's me good look at least he's a handsome nerd thanks guys i really appreciate that uh I'm going to push back a little bit.

1:11:48I hope you don't mind. Push. I am, number one, let me go to first principles. Am I happy or upset that Trump actually took action on Iran initially? Very happy. Because everyone's been kicking the can down the road. Every president has basically publicly stated we need to do something about Iran, but then just quietly did nothing. Or they give some BS nuclear deal that Obama did, and then Biden gave them money. Jimmy Carter did this. nobody's actually stepped up and taken action on Iran and Trump did so I want to give him credit for that now when he said he had no regrets I actually agree he also said that he might have done things a little bit differently and maybe that's what you should have done but two things for me as much as America and even Israel were involved in the initial part of this you regional powers in the Middle East stepped the hell up like in the Middle East you have one of two categories you either have like the monarchies and the kings and the the shahs and the supreme leaders or you have regional terrorist groups running your country so you got to pick a path there's zero free countries in the middle east zero so what are these countries going to do saudi arabia i mean how much are familiar with the history of the the houthis and understand how big and powerful they are do you understand how big they are bad out of all the terrorist groups in the world, do you know where they rank?

1:13:11In terms of manpower, military power, do you know where they rank? Number one, they have 250 ,000 to 300 ,000 armed militia fighters. And these aren't part-time guys. These aren't guys like, hey, honey, I got to go to work today. They are born and bred to be warriors. They got nothing going on in Yemen. Yemen is one of the poorest countries in the world. They basically took over their government. They had a civil war, 2004 to 2014, nobody said anything. Hundreds of thousands of people dying, unless it's Palestine. Keep quiet about that, Yemen. And then in 2014, Saudi Arabia was like, yeah, we don't want radical extremist Shia radicals running the country right on our border.

1:13:55So now we're going to step in. And what did they do? Saudi Arabia had another war with Yemen, with the Houthis, for another decade. And they failed. They lost. So all these, the Saudi military, you lose to a bunch of radical rebels. Iran, we know that the IRGC is great at killing their own people. Horrible at winning wars. I still don't have a clue what you're saying. Get to the point. This is so much foreplay. Tell me you're saying you disagree. What are you disagreeing with? I'm saying you're putting it on Trump respectfully. I'm putting it in saying you do something about it, Middle East. you've let this this thing fester just as much as america and my apologies to put this all on trump and say you need to step up you need to step up you need to step up you need to finish this i think he eventually will after midterms i've said unequivocally i think after midterms win or lose trump's going to do something bigger and deeper in iran because then he has two years that's not how this works but but this is my not how this works but let me tell me how he needs to step up i think qatar needs to step up i think jordan needs to step up i think iraq needs to step up All the regional powers need to stop looking at America and being like, please, please, would you help us?

1:15:04Let me tell you why I disagree. Let me tell you why I disagree. And this is kind of a weird thing for the argument to be this way. Who started it? Iran started it in 1979. I know. Like if we want to go back and back and back and back. Don't give me some ridiculous answer. That's not a ridiculous answer. Who started it? We've been at war with them since 1979 when they took 40 hostages. Who did the first attack in 26? Who started it? We did. If you want to say America, then America. Okay, America and who? It was a part of it. Okay, great. If you started it, Saudi's going to be like, what the hell are you talking about?

1:15:39I never sat there and told you to do this in the first place. You've made my area and region a chaotic area. You did this. I didn't tell you to do this. No, no, no, no. Respectfully, it's always been chaotic. No, no. They didn't just make it. They're trying to clean up the mess. I understand that. The part that the president gets credit for is he was the first one with brass to actually do what all these other guys kept talking shit about. Kamala Harris, Iran is this, Obama, Clinton. Oh, Iran is this, Iran is this. Yeah, but when it comes down, you didn't got the balls to do shit about it. But, dude, I get that.

1:16:11But if you started, wrap the whole thing up already. I wish it was that easy to wrap something up. But what I'm saying to you is if you don't, this is going to be another one of those 10, 20 year thing that's going to take place. And guess what? That's not a good idea, because if it continues like this, imagine if this thing is still going on in September of 2028. How do you think this helps the election? Well, obviously, that would be a big issue. But but I don't see it lasting that long. That's my life. How is Iran even surviving at this point? Well, they're getting stranglehold. and you talk about choke points, their currency is deflating.

1:16:50They have no money. How is Houthis going around doing what they're doing? Houthis is separate. I'm talking about Iran. Who funds Houthis? They're so broke. Hold on. Who funds Houthis? Are you saying that Iran funds the Houthis? Who funds the Houthis? The Houthis fund themselves. Where do they get the money from? What does the Houthis get the money from? They have taxes. I know a little bit about this. They get money from seizing. Who's the representative? Who does Houthis? They do get a portion of their money from Iran. What I'm saying to you is. But it's not 100%. I get it. It's not even 50%.

1:17:16I know it's not. But what I'm saying to you is when you think Houthis, who does the Houthis tie to? Iran. They're tied to the Shia military. Who are they doing this for? Who are they doing this for to take over these different reasons? They're doing this for Allah. I know. But in the main country representing their Allah right now, that's it war with U.S. is who? Iran. Okay. They're not doing for the Gulf states. So is Hezbollah doing everything for Iran? Is Hamas doing everything for Iran? Is ISIS doing everything? They're all intertwined. At the end of the day, it's not—Houthis, I'll tell you this, when the 2004 civil war started for 10 years and then they fought Saudi, Iran wasn't even in the equation.

1:17:55This was their own thing. So, yes, I know that they're sort of conflated at this point, but I'm just trying to establish that Houthis got their own thing going on, independent of Iran. Yeah, you're seeing stories like this. If Saudi is one of our main partners that they're doing a lot of— I wouldn't even call them a main partner at this point. Did they just sign a security agreement with Pakistan? Why do you think? And with Turkey? Why are they forced to do that, though? Because they're weak and they don't have their own military and their own army. And they refuse to step up. And I appreciate what Saudi's doing.

1:18:25It sounds like I'm coming down hard on Saudi. But to put this all on Trump and on America, the Middle East Arab countries, they need to step up against Iran. Who can, who has the military power to go up against them right now? In Iran. Which one of the Middle Eastern regions has the power to go up against them right now? Collectively, they all do. But they don't want to do that, though. Because they're soft. But because... Because they want to rely on America. You didn't start... Because they want our troops to die. You didn't start. People say, oh, we're not going to go die for Israel. Yeah, but what are these Middle Eastern countries doing?

1:18:56They're getting affected. Zero bombs. Zero missiles are going into Israel at this point. The only difference here is you started it in the U.S. Now you're in. So if you start it, you have to finish it? If you started it, what are you talking about? You sell the ships. I hear what you're saying. You keep saying. I'm not disagreeing, but I'm saying what level of involvement do the Middle Eastern countries and Arab countries have in this? Nothing? You keep saying that we have control of the Hormuz. You don't. Who keeps saying that? The president. Oh, I'm not saying that. No, he's saying that. I'm not taking him literally.

1:19:29No, but that's not the point. When he says stuff like this, and imagine you're MBS and you're one of those surrounding countries, like, no, you don't. No, you don't. You're confusing a lot of people when you're saying stuff like this. If you do, well, then stop them. If you don't, well, then don't. So let me rephrase maybe my question. What role do you think MBS, Saudi has to play, Qataris have to play, Jordanians have to play, all these other countries? What role do you think that if you think that Trump started it and should finish it, what role? Should they help strategically, militarily, economically?

1:20:00Should they root on the sidelines and go Trump? What should they do? How much money did they commit to invest into the U.S.? what's the amount of money they committed to investing in the U.S.? Which country? Saudi. Saudi's throwing money around because they're trying to be— But guess what, though? But remember when the president's going and saying, we've got$18 trillion of commitments to build in the U.S. Yeah, I remember that. That's not from Saudi. No, that insight is a total$18 trillion. A big chunk of it is from Saudi. Sure. People can invest in different ways to support. That's true. Nobody wakes up in the morning and says, Saudi has one of the best militaries.

1:20:28They've got to go work on it, and they've got to build it. But back to my initial question, I'm not trying to be combative. What role should they play in this combat? In the future, moving forward, you have to—you don't think Saudi and MBS are sitting there realizing—you don't think Dubai is sitting there realizing, holy shit, we better get our act together or else at any point things can happen and it's taking an effect on our business. That doesn't happen overnight. But the point is, I think that they've known this for decades that Iran's always going to latch out. Of course they've known that.

1:20:53They can't act surprised. No one feels bad for them at this point. Of course they've known that for decades, but they didn't start this war. They did not. This one they did not start. But this goes back to my initial point. If Trump never did this, we'd be having a weight bigger more than 10 years. And unfortunately and fortunately, if you're going to make a heavyweight decision like that, you've got to finish that heavyweight decision yourself. You made that decision. Then what's the point of having allies? Every ally plays a different role. So they're playing zero role, though. No, they're not.

1:21:21They're playing a different role. You need Saudi to be strong because they're investing resources into our country. They're becoming partners in different ways. Everybody plays a different role as a partner. Let me get to the next story. That's fine. Let me get to the next story. Okay, so that's good. By the way, you know, if you agreed with what Adam said, go Manectom. Message him and say, Adam, I'm kind of with you on this one here. His QR code should be somewhere out there. Go message Adam. He's, I think, I don't know how much far away from 10 ,000. We can help him get to 10 ,000 on Manectom.

1:21:47Thanks, guys. All right, let's go to the next one. Next one I want to get to is Yankees-Palestine flag. So the Yankees are playing, I believe, against the Mets. And in the middle of it, all of a sudden, a guy decides to run out with a Palestinian flag on 9-11. And here's what happens to him. Go ahead and play the clip.

1:22:09That was a pretty good body slam. That guy, WWE should sign that guy in the navy blue outfit. USA! USA! USA! USA! Everybody chanting USA, USA. You do this on 9-11? So the reason why there's a certain relationship there, do you have the clip of Palestinians celebrating when 9-11 happened. The day it happened in an area where they were celebrating saying, hey, look what took place. They're dancing. They're doing their thing. Go ahead. Watch this. Go back. From the West Bank, these are Palestinian celebrations in the wake of Tuesday's terror attacks in the United States. Apparently, Palestinians took to the street chanting, God is great.

1:22:55People were throwing candy, distributing candy to passers-by. The U.S. government obviously has become increasingly unpopular, particularly in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, because Palestinians feel that the U.S. government has sided with Israel. One man, Nawal Abdel Fattah, wearing a long black dress, threw sweets in the air, saying, actually, that's a woman, pardon me, saying she was happy because, quote, America is the head of the snake. America always stands by Israel in its war against us. Meanwhile, Yasser Arak, We're going to show you. Vinny, how do you feel about this? Let me explain. And I remember this video.

1:23:35I remember that's how old I am is when they actually showed this. I saw that live. Let me explain something to you. You can criticize Israel. Trust me, I do it on this freaking podcast. But if you're out there, I'm all about, like, what are you trying to show? What are you trying to say with that? You're running on 9-11. You know what the hell this country went through on that freaking day. You see what the people of Palestine did on that day. celebrating the death. God is great. God is great when 3 ,000 Americans have to freaking decide, you know, what am I doing? Am I jumping out of this freaking building?

1:24:09Am I going to burn to death? I think it's a huge spin the Facebook hat. I'm not, I'm not surprised. This is, they're in a freaking city where the mayor, the freaking mayor, Islamist freaking pro, when you give a pen, I talked about this yesterday to somebody on Maneck, speaking of Maneck, when you're sitting there as the mayor of New York and you're signing something for 9-11 you know the entire world is watching and trying to piece together what is going on when you purposely give a pen you bypass the commissioner and you give it to that guy you know that saying Tom to the world F you hey New York F you that's exactly what the hell that's saying so I'm not surprised especially when the city's been taken over and this is the freaking attitude but shame on you I'm happy that everybody was saying USA, USA, but I'm not surprised that it's happening in New York.

1:25:04I have a very quick, simple take. God bless you people of New York who are speaking up with just a full voice response there and USA, USA. And to the rest of you who are watching, that is the heart of New York. The heart of New York is not this minority that is surrounding their legitimately elected but really pathetic mayor. They're going to get over this, and they're going to figure it out. Just enough people wanted free stuff and wanted the Pollyannic future got there. But the real heart of New York is out there now realizing, wait a minute, he's opening the doors on this. We first saw it with the African-American homeowners in Brooklyn that were saying, wait a minute.

1:25:44This is about to be bad for us and our taxes and us renting apartments on things we own. Time out here. We can see what's going on. But God bless you, you fans that were there, because that's the heart and soul of New York. not the comparative minority that is getting behind the socialist fable. You're going to find out what's there, and they're going to come back around. Adam. Well, welcome to Mom Donnie's New York. On 9-11, when the Yankees are playing the Mets, the Bronx Bombers versus the Mets, you have, shocker, a Palestinian protester show up on the middle of the field on disrespectful on 9-11.

1:26:21Are you kidding me? I mean, when I say that New York has a Palestinian problem, I don't mean that like esoterically. I mean, literally, they're going to come over, take over your city. You just elected Mamdani. How much longer do you want to wait for it to get worse? So at the same time, you don't need to be a Zionist, pro-Israel person to condemn what this is. These are two separate things. Israel actually has nothing to do with this. these people these are marxist revolutionaries mixed with islamic rebellion and they're bringing it to america and we're like oh guys there he goes oh what a problem so to me at its core it's anti-american tell me if you notice this whenever you see the pro-palestine marches do you ever see an american flag because if you do it's burning now let me tell you a little something about who this person is just for a little context uh if if you read a little bit about him this 38 year old guy yeah his name is kelly marcucci it's a man uh he's a 38 year old self-described revisionist marxist from long island shout out to long island uh before this stunt he went on a facebook rant ripping on capitalism zionism 9-11 no kings and then the coup de grace posted multiple videos featuring the great candace owens so where do you think he gets his inspiration from.

1:27:44It's probably a multitude of all those things. This is anti-Americanism. If this were a different country, and I'm saying this almost like jokingly, hang him up by his neck. But of course in America, he's going to get a little fine. And I'm done. He might even let him out. He might even give him a medal, even a pen. Hey, sign this, buddy. This is what America's coming to. And before it's too late, do something about it in your area. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Tom. If this was China, the Chinese news would say an anti-government individual was seen in Tiananmen Square and they were led away. Exactly.

1:28:19And never to be seen again. And by the way, this was a special, he did it at 9-11 p.m. They had a special night that night with Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera. It was like a, it was like a thing to make it about that. But this guy came and did his thing. And, you know, I want to show you this video. It's one of the most difficult videos to watch on 9-11. the White House posted it of folks who called their family members and left messages while they were on the plane. I want you to watch this. Go for it. Hi, baby. Baby, you have to listen to me carefully. I'm on a plane that's been hijacked. I'm on the plane.

1:28:55I'm calling from the plane. I want to tell you I love you. Please tell my children that I love them very much and I'm so sorry, babe. I hope that they will be your face again, baby. I love you. Bye. Hi! Jules, this is me. This is on an airplane. This is a hijack. Things can go well. I'm looking for you. I just want to know and absolutely love you. I want you to be good. So happy to be fine. Same to my parents, everybody. I just totally love you and I'll see you later. Bye, babe.

1:29:37You know I love you and I'm so excited to be in New York. Please love me, Logan. You just wanted me to dance. I love you, Logan.

1:29:49These voices remind us of what was taken from us that morning. But September 11th is not only a story of what America lost, it's also a story of what America found in one another. And when the sun rose on September 12th, We stood together as one nation under God. The next day as I drove to work, there was suddenly no road rage. People honked and smiled and flew the stars and stripes. We're coming together on 9-11 as we have not come together since World War II. September 12th, something extraordinary happened. America and much of the world came together. People reached across differences. Strangers embraced.

1:30:32neighbors help neighbors people of different fates races and backgrounds and political beliefs stood together because for a moment we understood what matters most we are human beings first what a great if you don't get emotional watching that video you don't love america no no what a great video this is but so so for us you know this is why earlier when we were talking i said only the paranoid survived. We can't lose that. There are certain things you can't lose. You can't forget what the enemy did and what happened here and how it brought us together. For us to be a little bit casual about it and not see what's going on in America and different markets and different places, the financial capital of the world, New York City, the mayor there is an Islamist socialist.

1:31:21Think about it. America is a capitalist nation, free enterprise, built on Christian values and principles, that number one city that creates the commerce that it has is ran by mayor 25, 20, 60, 25 years later. So as paranoid as we are, we're not paranoid enough. And we have to be more vocal than ever before, more bold, more confident in a reasonable, non-emotional way for people to realize what is really going on for others to say, maybe I ought to entertain that idea. So the pride in this greatest country in the world, it's, it's by the way, just so you know, one of the main reasons why we do what we do when I see, when I go out and I see people wearing future looks bright or they wear the gear, it's a way of representing what you stand for.

1:32:10I stand for this. I don't care if you buy our merch or not, by the way, just so you know, we don't make money off merch. I don't know if you, it's not like it's a profitable outlet for us. We're not making millions off merch. If you only knew the data, we're not doing it because this is how we're going to be. No, we're doing it because we do believe there needs to be a brand for people to represent. You see somebody, you're like, me too. I see you. Me too. Wink, wink. On a plane. The other day, guys were telling me, man, going into the ball conference, I saw a bunch of people wearing future looks bright gear.

1:32:39The hat, I saw the logo. I saw this. I saw that. It's bringing people awareness around the world. I get messages where people said, I'm at the bar in a freaking country and the guy's wearing that. We had a great conversation together. So this is why we believe in this. If you support great, you don't. I totally get it. I'm not trying to impose it on you. But this is our way of representing the greatest country in the world and wanting these messages to get out there to everybody. So if you haven't placed anything, go wear one of the hats. Represent one of the hats on FLB.com. Whether it's the Future Looks Pride, whether it's the faith over fear, just go to FLB.com.

1:33:14Whether it's the loafers, the shoes, the shirt, the jacket, whatever may be, it's our way of getting that message out there. All right, next story I want to get into is interest rates. Tom, word is out there that for the first time in three years, we are about to raise the rates. And more and more and more people are saying they believe it is actually going to happen. The Fed is poised to raise the rates for the first time in years. Lots of people are saying, wait a minute, this isn't a good thing. And I think you're part of that camp right now that says we shouldn't be doing this. The market is down slightly right now.

1:33:51The one sector that is getting hit hard today is the tech sector. If you pull up the chart on what is really taking place, the tech sector is down out of that one chart that you guys sent me earlier. You know which one I'm talking about that was shown. So, Tom, would rates be an increase right there, if you're looking at that, what's going on with the market today so far? Nothing crazy, but the NASDAQ is down 2 % for the day so far. Tom, why is this concerning to you that we're about to raise the rates? the reason you raise rates is if you have inflation out of control or it's rising and you believe it only takes a little bit of rate change to control it number one number two you lower rates if you've got high on inflation i mean high unemployment because it makes money easy for businesses to borrow so they can build factories and they can expand and right now they're pegging inflation on two things, which I'm not alone here.

1:34:49Inflation in a broad market is different from a supply spike. And right now we have a supply spike. Why do we have a supply spike? Because we closed refineries in the United States. No one's talking about that. There is refinery closures in the U.S. affected 3-2-1 crack spread, which is the cost of turning oil into gasoline, into aviation fuel, into heating oil, and into the most needed commodity, diesel fuel at a reasonable price. So all that transport cost doesn't end up in your apple, cereal, or lumber, everything that gets transported with diesel fuel. So I think that what they're looking at is these supply spikes, and they feel that it's gone on too long, and that raising the rate will tamp it down.

1:35:42Raising the rate won't open new refineries in the U.S. Raising the rate won't stop the war and the supply spike and the cost of the oil that's over there. And raising the rate isn't going to have an effect on the tenure to get the mortgages to come down. And I believe – I don't want to be right. I believe that this is going to stall the economy, not help the economy that is already kind of fighting a little bit. That's what I think. I don't want to be right because I don't want the economy to stall. So I look at it around. See, we really lost the midterms, man. We went from getting beat to getting just absolutely beat down.

1:36:22I don't want that. But I'll tell you, I think we need 50 basis point cut. So me and the Fed are 75 basis points apart. You and the Fed are 75 % basis points apart. I think we need a 50 basis point cut right now. Well, if you look at numbers, 85 % of economists, according to Reuters, are saying the rates are going to go up. That's one. Two. That's what they say, but it's not what they all believe. I know, I know, I know. So then you have the second part, which is the jobs report came in three times higher than expected. So Worsh believes the economy can't handle it. Number two, he says the goal to go to 2%, I think he said this at Jackson Hole, we got work to do, which work to do means what?

1:37:03He has to raise it. Then inflation went up, I think, 0.3 % that the reports just came up. I think we're at 5.4 % right now, getting even further from the 2%. Of course, it doesn't help now that the oil prices right now today are at what, Tom? Was it 104, 102? The Texas, I don't know what oil prices right now. It doesn't help that this is 103, 52. It doesn't help that this has taken place. And this is why earlier when I said stop playing the Band-Aid game, slowly moving it, go do the job fast, get it over with. Because if everyone, can you type in where you are right now? Now, go to six months on oil.

1:37:39Now, wherever you are right now, just go to six months right there. Look at that. Up, down. Up, down. Up, down. Look at that. So if we go in April, look how high it hit. 115? April. April. Guys, April. April. Left, left, left, left, left. Oh, my God. Do you not? Just look at the bottom. It says May. April. Left, left. Okay, forget it. The audience gets it. Yeah, there you go. So April is. Unbelievable. April, go back a little bit more, guys. Go back a little bit. Go to the peak. Right there. Thank you. 112. Then look what happens next immediately. It drops to what? 84. Ah, everything is good. And then boom, back 110.

1:38:16Then it drops. 78. It's good. Okay, back to 105. Oh, my God, it's back to 80. Oh, my God, it's up. Like, people don't want to deal with this. People don't deal with it. Go, get it done. Let's move on. It's okay if we're going to have a, but the more and more we're getting into this, the more challenging affordability takes a hit with folks. We have to be very, very aware of what is taking place. And then look at the gradual incline from where it was in July to now where it is today, right there. And then you look at where it is today, all the way up to September 2026. If you go to it, you see the gradual incline to where we are today.

1:38:54And it's going to get higher if this thing continues. So interest rates going up. The other day we were talking about, can you do me a favor and type in, If a person wanted to buy a$500 ,000 house, buy a$500 ,000 house at a three-and-a-quarter interest rate versus a— where is it going to be at today right now for 30-year fixed time? Six-and-a-half? Six-and-a-half for 700 credit. No, six-and-a-half for 700 credit. Okay. So say a three-and-a-quarter interest rate versus six-and-a-half. Six-and-a-half, six-and-a-half, 6.5 % interest rate. What is the mortgage payment for that? Okay. What is a mortgage payment for both loans?

1:39:32Let's see what it tells you. That's the real number. That's the real number because then what happens is if you look at that, at three and a quarter, my mortgage payment is$21.76. At six and a half, it's what? $31.60. That's$1 ,000 more. Then add another 30 % because that's after-tax money. So it's really$1 ,300 more that you need to make per month, which$1 ,300 more times 12 is what? $20 ,000,$18 ,000. So I need to make$18 ,000 more to have that. So then the people that are sitting there that want to sell their house, guess why they don't want to sell their house? Because they're sitting on a three-and-a-quarter loan.

1:40:11They're like, is this the new norm? Is this what we're going to be? Is this going to be the new norm? So it is challenging, but the numbers need to go on your side to be able to lower the rates, and it's not, Tom. That's the problem. Warsh is almost cornered. So Powell, who gave Powell the job? Trump. Who gave Warsh the job? Trump. I mean, what else can you say about it? The guy's trying to do his job, and he said at Jackson Hole, inflation's not going in the right direction. It's a tough place to be, Tom. And I'm, by the way, the economists that say, yeah, 85 % of us say the rate's going to go up.

1:40:53It's a different vote if you ask them, should it go up? that's that's where i'm at and so you're more state or lower i'm 50 basis point lower you're looking at supply shocks that are creating the inflation the inflation numbers are not related to things that are happening broadly it's related mostly to diesel fuel transport supporting chemicals and all that's happened and by the way we would still be up craps creek if we had no war because of the seven refineries that closed in the U.S. We would still be up, believe it or not, 25 % to 30 % on a gallon of gas because of the refinery closures and we lost capacity.

1:41:37So I step back and look at it. Isn't that by definition a supply shock? And if you need to build a billion-dollar refinery, don't you want to give them a loan at a lower rate so that they'll go do it? Yeah. Philip 66 closed the refinery in California because they didn't want to spend a billion-dollar retrofitting it for artificial emissions. Well, he could go build. Let's give him a permit to build it somewhere else. Let's give him an interest rate so they can afford to do it. And I feel like I'm psychotic staring at this, staring at this and going, why is this happening? Where are they doing it?

1:42:11What is the invisible hand here? Because I don't see the inflation this way. Is the affordability up? Yes. Everybody in the comments can say, well, it's costing me more. You're right, and I'm with you. and those numbers I do not dispute. But we don't need a rate hike when the inflation is based on energy costs and not what's going with it. And I think this is just. I'm at a taco restaurant yesterday. I'm actually pissed. I'm at a taco restaurant yesterday, and at this taco restaurant, the guy comes to me, okay, and he says, Patrick, things are very bad. I said, really? Yeah. I said, how bad? He's on a great corner.

1:42:48He's got great food. He's got the best tacos in town. They do great service. They're very fast and quick. You know, great location, fun, all that stuff, by the beach. He says, I can't even hit my last year September numbers. I said, what do you mean? He just came and started talking to me. He says, I'm going to be down 30 % of last year September. He says, we are so desperate. He shows all the rest. He says, all of us right now here are doing, what do you call it, happy hour. He says, every day I have to do happy hour and free tacos just to break even. He says, just to break even. He says, traffic is down.

1:43:27He says, all I rely on is my locals. He says, if I rely on tourists, I'm in trouble. Well, my locals are not even coming right now. And this is a local restaurant that you know which one I'm talking about. But it's not about the season. He's down in September, over September down 30%. So guess what? You have to know, there is a pattern. affordability is an issue with some of the businesses. And we're talking state of Florida. We're not talking about like a different kind of a state. So, Adam, your thoughts on this before we go to the next one. I think it's a useful conversation to have. I actually have a lot more respect for Kevin Worsh than I thought I would.

1:43:59I'll tell you that because my number one concern when Trump is basically choosing Jerome Powell's successor was, is this guy just going to be a yes man? And respect to Trump, the last thing he needs around him is another yes man. So if this guy does come in and raise rates, what do you think Trump's going to think about him? Probably not going to be too happy. But I don't see a problem with that because this guy is, the Fed has a dual mandate. They want to cool inflation and they want to keep unemployment, what, below 5 %? Right now, just some numbers for you. Inflation's what, at 4 %? And inflation is at 3.5%.

1:44:36So, and it's potentially rising. Tom was right about the energy costs and like that. So the only reason you would raise rates is to do what? Fight inflation. So the way I look at it is like, look, I'm not working for the Fed. I don't control global supply chains or anything like that. I can control what I can control. And there's one of two things. There's two types of people in this world. There's a person who pays interest and the person who gets it. And I try my best to be the person getting the interest. So that means don't take on more debt, especially if interest rates go up. Maybe put more money in a savings account or a money market account.

1:45:09collect more interest, do what you can do to basically receive interest, not pay it. Now, yes, it might slow growth. Yes, it might slow borrowing costs as costs go up, but control what you can control, and then obviously save that money. Yeah. It's going to be a, and by the way, there's only so many different markers you can have to manipulate the market to look like it's doing better. Then there is the real thing. Let me give you an idea what I mean by this. You know how, say your health sucks, and you're trying to do everything, every pill, every TRT, every peptide, every vitamin, Tom, every omega-3, every omega -6, Tom, everything that you got to, everything you want to take, except for stop smoking and drinking alcohol and exercise.

1:46:00And you're like, hey, can we do everything for me to get healthier, but I'm not going to stop smoking, I'm not going to stop drinking, I'm not going to do this. what I'm saying is some of the stuff we're doing is causing this as well and that part we have to sit there and say stop smoking let's accelerate when we're going to quit smoking maybe let's quit smoking in 60 days, maybe let's make some bigger decisions I don't think we've done that yet as a state and the more and more we look away from affordability as if it's not a big thing, it's going to show up on the election day, it's going to show up and then they're going to sit there and say how did this happen How did this happen?

1:46:36How did this happen? And by the way, and it's not like the Republican Party is, you know, has got everybody united and momentum and all this other stuff. No, the other day, Tucker, I don't know if you guys saw what Tucker said. At first, I'm like, this is not a real story. There's no way he really said this. Or what story was this? It's him basically endorsing the outside. Outside against Mike Rogers. But I think he went a little bit deeper is what he said, right? And this was on 9-11. Do you have this? Tucker Carlson backs Democrats Abdul El-Said in Michigan Senate race. Let me read this to you.

1:47:10Tucker Carlson, all but indoors, Michigan Democratic Senate hopeful Abdul El-Said in his Friday newsletter defending 2021 comments in which El-Said said 9-11 scared our country in profound ways. But we did after 9-11 scared millions of other people. We often failed to center them. Carlson wrote El-Said is obviously right and urged Michigan voters to keep this man far away from Washington, meaning Mike Rogers. referring to Republican opponent Mike Rogers. Rogers has called El-Said's remarks disgusting and said his attitude towards the worst strategy in American history makes him completely unfit to serve in public office.

1:47:43Carlson, a former Iraq war supporter, countered understanding that the Bush administration was wrong to kill hundreds of thousands of people and waste trillions of dollars in Iraq is disgusting. El-Said has also faced scrutiny over his embrace of Twitch streamer Hassan Piker who said America deserved 9-11. Tom, Vinny, where are you at when you see stuff like this? because the Republican Party is going into the midterms. You have an affordability issue. You have a war issue. You have some things that you have to deal with. And then you have people that are making comments like this. How do you process that?

1:48:12I honestly, like, especially with somebody like Tucker, who I don't think that there's anybody else that has made such a shift politically who they're representing than Tucker. And, Tim, you know when I think it really started? I think it started when he went to, was it Qatar? where did he go to speak? He did a speech, and when somebody asked him... No, no, where was the one where he said, and I quote, somebody said, so we heard that you're buying property, you're buying a house here, and they were... In Qatar, yeah. In Qatar, because he said... I'm an American. I'm an American, and I'm not even being funny.

1:48:51Since that moment, I saw a shift as if, Tom, and by the way, for everybody out there going, well, the records, you could easily get money funneled to you for doing a speaking event or something where it masks the fact that you're getting from it. And bro, I wouldn't be surprised at some point if Tucker Carlson seriously converts to Islam. Because the way that he's acting, the way he's... Because if you're going that hard against Mike Rogers, you're going for... You're going to go all the way there? I actually would respect that. At least do it! At least do it then! 1000 % I would respect it because...

1:49:23Inshallah it'll happen. Because Adam, real talk, if you're this Christian and you want to buy property in a Muslim country where there's no churches. You're not going to practice your religion. You'd have to become a Muslim to do whatever they are. He could follow the Milo thing. But I'm telling you right now, Pat, with everything that's going on, I'm not a lesser of the two evils guy. I'm a common sense guy. You are, with your influence, you are giving ammunition to the other side that wants to destroy America from within, plain and simple. And everybody, guys, criticize the president. Please do it.

1:49:57Let's not forget all the positives that he's done with the border, with crime, with fentanyl. You guys, everybody looks past that, okay? Criticize him. Criticize the decisions with Iran. Criticize the Israel stuff. And I get it. And you guys all know that I'm that guy too. But the attitude of this and representing and promoting these people. He didn't come out and say he's backing him. But you're saying it without saying it. I'll be damned if I'm going to go ahead and be like, yeah, well, he's right. Because of the decisions of a war and all that stuff, I'm going to say, They'll caution you to the wind and say to hell with it and go for somebody that's going for El Sayad and all these people.

1:50:30No, I'm sorry. I'm not doing it. Yeah. When I hear Tucker talking about, oh, buy what I want where I want, it's like, oh, you're going to buy a cutter condo. Yeah. It's like Monaco, but really noisy on Tuesdays. Yeah, exactly. They give it that way. It's like, wow, very noisy. The neighbors are so noisy. They seem upset. Yeah. I look at that, and I think that was just everybody got distracted by that. What I really want to understand is what was the underlying change or position happening with Tucker to be able to say that. I'm an American. Remember, he kind of like. Yeah, it was weird. He didn't expect it.

1:51:04He says, I'm an American. I can do what I want. I don't dispute that. You can. And there's Americans that buy places everywhere. I'm still looking at Costa Rica. So you've got things that are going on, and Americans do that. That's not what I'm looking at. Pat, I was looking for the why. Why the interest? Why then? What do you think? I think there was a change, and I think there was some— Anything different than what Vinny said? Like, do you think there was something bigger than that? I don't think all the way to conversion to Islam, but I think there was some friendships, some affinity, some speeches.

1:51:38You know, I think there was something there that drove it. You think he saw opportunity, or you think he was offended? You think the motive is opportunity to exploit this, or you think somebody offended him? You think it's something that he believed in right after his father passed away? Maybe he gave him a letter or something that got him to think in a certain way. What do you think it is? Well, I think he's fiercely his own man, but I think that's evolved over time and what does it mean? And so I think he's got the wealth that he could say. I mean, Pat, sometimes you do things with your wealth to make points, you know what I mean?

1:52:12But you have to make good points with it. Yeah. And you can make very good points. Maybe he's just saying, hey, all of you that say this or that, I can do what I want, and I just bought a condo here. I think there's a little of that. Adam, where you went? Look, when it comes to Tucker, I really don't care about the why. That's like, why did Lindsey Clancy kill her three kids? I don't care. She did it. I care about the what. So what he's doing is what I find reprehensible, and this is my opinion. Tucker Carlson, I've never been a Tucker guy, so it's not like I was like, ah, he was my favorite, and now I don't know what happened to him.

1:52:47I never was a fan of him. I remember meeting Tucker at an AALU meeting in D.C. in like 2010. He had his bow tie on, and I asked him, like, what's up with the bow tie? He's like, oh, you don't like it or something? I was like, yeah, whatever. You know me with my questions. And to me, obviously, he switched up, but he's still that dude in a bow tie. To me, Tucker is the living embodiment of his laugh. You ever met someone with a laugh like that? I'm being dead ass honest. You ever meet somebody who laughs and goes, what? That's your laugh, bro? You've never seen people. You've never seen that one.

1:53:24I've seen some weird laughs. You ever seen that one show that brought people with the funniest laughs? And the way they laughed is so difficult. Well, let's bring Tucker to that show. He won a gold medal. People have weird laughs. But not faces of movements. So in my opinion, Tucker has two things that are basically pervasive in society right now, and he's got them both. He has TDS and he has IDS. He has Trump derangement syndrome, hates MAGA, hates Trump, and he has IDS, Israel derangement syndrome, hates BB, hates Israel, and that's all this dude thinks about. And then I'll give you my biggest take, and PBD, I want you to tell me if you agree with this or not.

1:54:01I think part of the rise of Tucker had to do with the vanishing of leaders who have been dominant for a decade. number one charlie kirk been a year but don't forget where's jordan peterson been for a few years now he's not doing well he's not doing well so where's dennis prager been he's a quadriplegic now and he's finally making a comeback so in my opinion when when when the best and brightest people who shaped basically the the young conservative movement have sort of been like in the background you've about a you have a lot of nefarious actors like tucker who at one point had a lot of credibility.

1:54:39How much credibility do you think he has now? A lot of people say, so are you happy now? You were going to give him money, and you're not happy because of this, and you're not happy because of that. This isn't the Tucker I was interested in four years ago. Nobody is. This isn't the Tucker I was interested in. This isn't the Tucker where you're supporting a guy that you're putting that Mike Rogers as a bigger enemy than El Syed. Your values have changed, and sometimes it happens to people. But the laugh part you were talking about, if you want to play this clip, this is the laugh part. Listen to this.

1:55:12This thing's got 54 million views. So when you say people don't have laughs, you haven't met a lot of people. Go ahead. That sounds like a donkey.

1:55:27See, that's at least funny to listen to. Tucker's is just weird.

1:55:37Can we play Tucker's laugh, by the way? Can we get a montage of that? That's her laugh. Is that a seal? Oh, my God. I would hate that on a comedy show.

1:55:51You can pause it right there. Connor, can we get some of the people? Tucker's laugh? It's all right. I want to continue with this. You know who I respect? Who? Victor Davis Hanson. I know you. Did the video come out yet? Yes. No, it hasn't yet. Okay, gotcha. he's a very rational, sensible person. Would you agree? Sure. Not very emotional. No. He's been scathing Tucker. Scathing. You know, Osmond Gold? Yep. Actually, I've been seeing a little bit more of his content lately. When he goes, that's it. That's it. Tucker has officially lost me. He's like, I had 1 % left. And then he started basically saying that algebra is meaningless.

1:56:34Oh, algebra? Maybe you don't use it, Tucker. Maybe the weirdo that you had on doesn't use it. But you know who uses it? Scientists, engineers, mathematicians, people who make society go. He said once he basically said that algebra is useless, he goes, I'm out. That's where Tucker is. There is a difference between, like the other day I had Logan Paul on at the Vol conference, and I'm just watching him. You know what I thought about? He says, I think my brother will be a president one day. He says, because my brother is intentional. I'm not as intentional as him. He said that, right? Some words like that.

1:57:06But I sat there and I watched Logan. I said, this guy's a showman. The entire time it was a showman. Maybe Tucker is saying, I'm going to be a showman and just be a shock jock. Say stuff that's going to shock people. You have to talk about me. Yeah, maybe he is. Maybe that's the business model. Some people call him showman. Some people call him clowns. But the part is, you're no longer the... Serious journalist? No, that's not even the word I'm looking for. You looked at Thomas Sowell to say, be like that man. Oh, the best. You looked at Charlie Kirk. you said, be like that man. An example. You looked at Victor.

1:57:38Victor Davis Hanson. And you said, be like that man. I don't think anybody right now says, be like Tucker. He's a showman. I think that's how simple it is for me. So I don't think it's a, I don't think, I think if he wants to be a showman, go at it, make your money, click, you know, collect your, your checks that you're getting, but you're not a figurehead. What people looked at Charlie and said, I would love my son to grow up and follow that example. I don't think anyone's saying that about Tucker anymore. I think Tucker's entertaining and he's doing his part. and he's getting everybody to talk about him, and maybe that's a business model that's working.

1:58:08Now, another person that has built himself on values and principles, DeSantis. I'm going to finish up with this one here. One Florida attorney general sues Netflix for data tracking children. So that's one story with Florida. Number two, DeSantis offers Florida asylum to Lindsey Clancy's trial holdout juror. You know who that is. And last but not least, Florida approves process to designate CAIR, our Muslim Brotherhood, Antifa's terror groups in the state of Florida. Now, in 2023 and 22, I did everything in my power for DeSantis to not run. I did everything in my power for him to drop out because, in my opinion, he needed to approach Trump.

1:58:49In my opinion, he needed to go have a meeting with him, and he didn't. He forgot that Trump helped him become a governor. And I told him to his face when I had the conversation with him, I hope he runs in 2028. if Rubio decides not to run. I hope DeSantis runs. I hope DeSantis runs no matter what. Because he's a guy that at least you know one thing about DeSantis. You know what it is? When it comes down to conservative values, he's going to fight for them. He's the guy. He's got audacity. He's got brass. He's not afraid. And I'm excited about what he's going to be doing. DeSantis and the state cabinet approved a rule Friday establishing the process for designating domestic and foreign terrorist organization, clearing the way to formally designate the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Antifa.

1:59:32Designation takes effect 30 days after publication, giving groups seven days to object and writing the underlining law effective July 1st bar state agencies and public schools from using funds to support designated groups and creates criminal penalties for knowingly providing material support to a domestic terrorist organization. This provides an appropriate framework where they can take action appropriately so they can defend the people of Florida against possible actors and terrorist groups, said State Domestic Security Chief Mark Glass, CIR, is challenging the effort. In two federal lawsuits, a judge previously blocked enforcement of a related dissent as executive order against CIR on First Amendment grounds, a ruling the state has appealed.

2:00:13Texas designated the same two organizations as terrorist organizations in November of 2025 and the Trump administration has previously sanctioned several Muslim Brotherhood branches abroad. Tom, why is this important? It's important because the faster a liberal judge goes after a legislation like this, the better it probably is for conservatives, patriots, and regular citizens. And so the fact that the judge reacted, jumping out of his shoes to get in front of this, tells me everything I need to know, which means that the liberals that want open borders and all the other crap that goes with it and the ability to have groups here on soil, enabling other groups, and that's what he goes after here.

2:00:58I think this is great. And I think DeSantis is getting out in front of it, Pat. That's my headline. The faster, the faster the liberals go after it, Pat, the better it is for conservatives and patriots. Adam. Yeah. Respect to DeSantis. I mean, I'm just wondering what took so long. Everyone knows in America, if you've been studying this at all, that the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. I mean, Antifa, what took them so long on that? I'm not so familiar with CARE, the Council of American Islamic Relations. I'm just willing to bet that they're probably doing some salacious stuff, pro-Palestinian, anti-American stuff.

2:01:34And I respect DeSantis for implementing this. I hope that Byron Donalds continues DeSantis' legacy. because it's tough, big shoes to fill. No pun intended. I didn't mean that, actually. But I'm just rooting for Florida to win, and that's why I'm on Team DeSantis and whoever his replacement may be. All right. So that being said, gang, today's what, Monday? I think we have two podcasts that are going to go live this week. Logan Pauls will go out, and I think one other one will go live as well, and then we'll be back on Friday. Take care, everybody. Have a great week. We'll do it again on Friday.

2:02:10God bless. Take care. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Thank you. Thank you.