Jensen Huang Quits NVIDIA, Hegseth Impeachment Fails & Bukele vs. Haiti’s Gangs | PBD Podcast #890

0:29This podcast features Home Team and Patrick Bet-David. I don't want people to overreact to this. There's a very high likelihood that by the time this podcast ends, we're going to find a fourth woman for Jensen Wong. There's a very high likelihood. And we are going to try to break the story because first it was a Chinese spy. Then it was a co-worker. Then it was another girl. And now what's going viral is he's been a meme, man. He's a meme everywhere. And, you know, it's like this guy doesn't discriminate. They put all the pictures of different girls, what it looks like. Some people are saying, why are people surprised?

0:58because how do you have time to do something like this, right? Look at his last name. I mean, that kind of a last name. You know, you get a, you know. Come on. No, no, but I'm talking scientifically. I know. If it's a last name, you know, and if it's true, that's a lot of people that are interested in that kind of a product. And so, you know, that's that part. We have delayed reaction to it. Tom's talking today. There was a delayed reaction to it. Double entendre. Listen, it is what it is. That was a dad joke with a five-second delay reaction. But let's go on this. A damn good one. By the way, what are the chances you're going to have NVIDIA Story and then Microsoft?

1:32Hey, just out of curiosity in the comment section, can you guys tell us if you've gotten your emails from Microsoft Outlook since 12 o 'clock yesterday, depending on the time zone you are, a lot of people have partial, which means you're getting the new emails now. But did the old emails come up? Let us know if you are or not. Can you run a poll? Matter of fact, because we've got to talk about the Microsoft thing. People are saying, is this like an attack? You know, Microsoft says it's got nothing to do with attack from China, but maybe it is. There is no attack from any other country, but we're still investigating the reason behind it.

2:03So people are concerned about how does a multi-trillion dollar company get attacked by somebody that sets off a business model that thousands and thousands of companies rely on and use on a daily basis. Millions, tens of millions of employees, business owners, executives rely on this. So imagine the disruption for all the businesses. We're going to have to talk about that because Tom's been pissed off. Here's one thing with Tom. If Tom doesn't get his email on Outlook, he's going around to people because he's going to use the old school email. You know what the old school email is? Coming and knocking on your door and talking to you.

2:35Tom's like, hey, where's my email? And he's like, listen, I'm trying to email you, but the system's not working. Steph Curry, he responded to the comments made about his wife being in a movie and there's a scene about kissing. And Steph Curry responds, I think, to Gilbert Arenas and Steven Jack. I don't know who it is, but he responds to a couple guys. We'll talk about that. Then Hex said impeachment collapses. And this part's an interesting story because Tom was bringing it up this morning with Hakeem Jeffries, who was one of the guys that voted against it. And people on his side are like, we thought you were a true believer.

3:08We just wanted to, why are you doing this now? But it's very, very smart the way he's doing it. You've got to give the guy credit for being strategic. Tom will give you insight on why that is. Then there's a girl. I don't know if you guys have seen this girl campus story. Elon's investigated this. Every angle he has breakdown of what's going on over here with the monkey comments. And, you know, racist girl got kicked out. She's raised$30 ,000 on GoFundMe. We have to get into that story. Zelensky and Kushner went for the negotiation. What do you call it? Witkoff. They went out there, and there's a picture of Zelensky.

3:40He looks like he's held hostage. He looks very worried. He's like, shit, I better do what they're asking me to do, or else I'm going to lose something. Who knows what it is? We'll address that. And then aside from that, you know, the diesel deal with Putin, we'll get into that as well. Victor Davis Hanson calls out Omega and he says, hey, what is this all about? You know, your anti-corruption message loses credibility when your standards change depending on who benefits from it. So the same standards we use against Biden we should use against you. Victor Davis Hanson is not a light voice. He's a very credible voice with a lot of reasons.

4:16And so people are saying, hey, he's saying this. He's not a dramatic guy. He's giving a message like this. We ought to listen to what he has to say. But then there's another message that comes out, because within that, I think the Lena Haber$50 million decline is now cutting the contract. I do think she got paid a couple million dollars. I don't know what it was,$13 million. But there's that part. And then Victor Davis Hanson turns around, Vinny, and he says, Do you realize the affordability concept of why they won midterms is all BS? And Van Jones validates what Victor Davis Hanson is talking about to say they convince you using bots.

4:54Not bots. Using real people. That's what they're saying. Some people call bots. They convinced you that it was affordability. They screamed off the top of their lungs. And everybody believed maybe things are worse than they've ever been. Wait until I have Victor Davis Hanson give you some of the stats on that. Bukele. You know what Bukele does? If Bukele ever tweets and there's somebody that's his enemy and you post the house of the enemy and if Bukele tweets at you saying, can you give us the address? If you give the address, you may be responsible for killing somebody because that's what happened.

5:27He got the address and he went to his guys and said, hey, check this out. Send a bunch of drones and blow that guy's mansion up. You have to see, are you guys following the story? Yeah. The guy is like, hey, be nice to Bukele. We've been saying this for years. Be nice to the guy. You know how he speaks? You ever seen how he does interviews? Yeah. So America's a great country. Yeah. And what we did is we cleaned up crime in El Salvador. But do you know how he speaks inside of him? Yeah. I will. A fire. A raging fire. Outside is like everything is great. Listens to Kenny G. Listens to Chade. But on the inside, he's listening to Tupac Hit Him Up.

6:02He's one of those guys. I bet he listens to Hit Him Up. I bet Bukele listens to Hit Him Up. I don't recommend you guys listen to it. But I bet he listens to hit him up on a little bit of EZE. Scott Besson moved to a military base. We got to talk about it. Then there's an Amazon ring introduces the new drone. Did you guys see this video? Yeah. Which is like, hey, the drone, you leave your house, guess what? Drone goes up above your house just to monitor what happens around your house. Then you come back to the house, comes back down. So security, we'll show that to you. Some of you guys may want a product like that.

6:34And then I read a story from a guy that was playing football, gets an offer to go play for USC. And then while he's going there, he and this girl have consensual sex. She accuses him of rape. They end up getting, I think, a couple million dollars. Then after they end up getting a couple million dollars, this guy's supposed to go into the NFL. Mom sells the house, apparently, to get the money to get lawyers because they don't have a lot of money. The guy goes to prison five years. When he gets out, she reaches out to him. They schedule a call. He finds a way to record everything, and she reveals to apologize that none of that ever happened.

7:18I'm so sorry you went to jail for five years. And then they use that recording against her, and then she says, I'm sorry, I don't have the money. I ran out of all the money. I have to play the story for you. I think it was on by 60 Minutes or something. Incredible story. But with that being said, Vinny's got news for us. Vinny, tell us what's going on. And by the way, I think this is a byproduct of us spending a little bit too much time lately at Bass Pro Shop. Go ahead. Literally one of my favorite places. We were in there for how long? Literally three hours? Three hours. We literally bought everything.

7:47Bucket, toilet, you name it, we bought it. But a lot of people have been hitting me up on social media, Instagram and X. When are you going to come out with a camo hat? And we finally did. And, Pat, we might get to the story because this is one of the stories. What better of a day that they're discovering on Mount Ararat in Turkey, Noah's Ark. They're finding like there was wood and stuff on top of this mountain, which there's no water there. But I'm telling you guys right now, one of the greatest stories about faith has to be Noah. Bro, he didn't know what an ark was. He never saw flood or rain, but he listened to God's word.

8:17God said, build it because the flood is coming. And that to me, that's faith over fear. And that's what this hat stands for. And I can't explain you guys how many times I've been walking. I was at the mall this weekend with Maverick, and four people go up to me and go, I love that hat. That's the message. That's what I'm talking about. And it's a conversation starter, Pat. We have a limited supply, guys. Go to FLB.com. Get yours today. And by the way, this is almost like a silk thing. On the interior, it has the value attainment. It has the crosses. Hebrews 11.1 on the back, the cross and our shield.

8:48Go to FLB.com, guys. I'm telling you right now, this hat is going to go fast. Yeah, we saw this guy wearing this. Cuban guy was wearing this. Not this one. But the message of faith over fear is going all over the place. It's beautiful seeing tens of thousands of people wearing this brand, faith over fear out there. Go to FLB.com, place your order. With that being said, let's get right into it. So, Jensen Wong. At first, we were told it was one girl, a Chinese spy. A couple days later, it's a second girl, co-worker. Another day later, it's a third girl. And at this point, there is a golfer that's pissed off at the whole situation here, Tiger Woods.

9:23And Tom makes a very good point because it's like, listen, listen, you better not come catch up to my 17, right? So there's a little bit of frustration of what's going on with that. So far there's a big lead. It's kind of like the lead that you have when you want to get masters. He's got a big lead on him. But you know what is funny, Tom, with everything that's going on? Here's what's funny with what's going on. With everything going on, with the Chinese spy things going on, yesterday Stephen A. Smith did a great interview of the president. He was at the White House. And Stephen asked a very good question about Jensen Wong.

9:53And he said, so do you think he should step down? He says, I don't know. He's a very good CEO. If it wasn't a Chinese spy, maybe different. But because it's a Chinese spy, we have to handle this situation in a different place. But do you know what percentage of the employees voted for him to resign and step down? And what percentage wanted him to stay? 88 % of all the employees don't want him to step down. Wow. They want him to stay. 88 % of employees said, we want this guy to step down. But he resigned. And there's a lot of other stories coming out. I'll read you a couple messages of what other people said about it, meaning their opinions.

10:25These are entrepreneurs, business owners, what they said about it, on why this took place. Is it a good thing? Is it a bad thing? Let me read this to you. I'll try to find it and get it to you guys here in a minute. But it's one of the biggest stories that we've gone through. Here, let me read this to you. If I have to say, here we go. Okay, CZ from Binance,$110 billion network. It's a mistake for NVIDIA to let Jensen resign. Palmer Luckey from Andruel, as well as Oculus. China wants Jensen out, so I want him in. Zero Head said, Elon, please hire Jensen. Elon responds, that would be an honor to hire Jensen.

11:04Pavel Durov, I believe he's from Signal or he's from one of those apps. Could be Signal, could be another one. Telegram, I think he's a Telegram CEO. Unfair that CEOs who aren't into Asian girls get fewer dating options from spy agencies. Where are the French, Russian, Iranian honeypots? Not one spy girl was sent my way. Are they even trying? France has excused their decision makers aren't into girls. Everyone else, try harder. Pedro Dummings, CEOs have affairs all the time. Get over it. Brian Johnson, the guy that wants to live forever. It's all hands on deck for the human race, and NVIDIA needs its founder at the helm.

11:46Naval, you'd think we had learned from Steve Jobs and Travis Kalanick that one does not just simply replace the founder. There's a lot of stories like this that's coming out. Of course, there's a lot of others on the other side. Tom, where are you at now with the story? Of course, what we had on Friday, and then now we're at with the story. Go ahead. So this is where I'm at. I look at it this way, and this may be a take that a lot of people don't like, But if this had been Mark Zuckerberg, he would still be CEO. But I'll tell you why. Because procedurally, Zuckerberg's board with his stock and the dual-class stock cannot be – they could not fire him.

12:22Instead, the guy that founded NVIDIA, the guy that was driving this forward, has this. I think that the only reason that he's gone is I think, I fear, I speculate that that deal with that Singapore company where the chips went to the Singapore company and the chips, certain chips that weren't supposed to go also went to a university shell, I think it is allegedly. I think that maybe the board has heard about that and maybe there's something to it. Because otherwise, why wouldn't you defend the inventor? And just say this. Say, look, this is what we're going to do. He now officially has a chaperone, a 24-7 security guy, and we're doing the following.

13:11And he's going to go to sensitivity training and all those things that they talk about. He's going to apologize to everybody. He's going to do this. Then he and his wife are going to figure it out. but he's staying here as our CEO, but he is on probation, damn it. Why wouldn't the board say that? Why does the board just in 48 hours go from zero to 60 and he's gone? I think it's the story about the chips going to the Singapore company and to possibly an educational shell, and those were the wrong chips. And if that's the case, I think the board's trying to get in front of it. Question for you. Who's the biggest loser and winner of this story?

13:46Biggest winners and losers of this story. Because I'll tell you who I think is the biggest winner, but go ahead. I think one of the big winners is companies like Micron that make chips. I think one of the big winners is going to be a Chinese AI. I think that's a winner. I think one of the losers is basically 401ks across America, even though right now the S &P is back in 6650 is where the S &P was. And it was – make sure I got that number right. But the S &P is back within – excuse me, 7650. 76. My God, 76. You just scared the crap out of people. I know I did. People just called their broker. I scared the crap out of myself.

14:26I got to go change the underwear. But we're way up from where we were at the beginning of the year, and 7 ,800 was our peak zone. And so now we're within 180 of our peak zone. So the market appears to be calming down a little bit. But one of the losers is the AI market did not need additional wind when the market was speculating on the bubble. You know who I think is the biggest winner? Here's who's the biggest winner. Trump's the biggest winner in a different way, and I'll tell you why. All the midterm stories are gone. Everybody's not focused on Jensen-Huang. Complete distraction. People are over the midterm stories.

15:03Now it's the Jensen-Huang every day locking on this thing, and, you know, everybody forgot about all the other stuff. And this story, how long do you think this thing's going to last? I don't think this is a one-week cycle story. No, I think there's going to be an investigation. I think so. You make a really good point. I think this is a couple months story. It's like when Gavin Newsom sent a thank you note to Eric Swalwell. Yeah, exactly. So what do you stand with? I think that China is the big winner. I think the A.I. race is a bigger deal than people realize. I talk about the existential threats of A.I.

15:31all the time. I do think this was potentially their intention to get him out. There is a national security issue here, which is bigger than just the idea that he had infidelity, which has to be discussed also. So that's the real reason he's gone. I agree with Tom 100%. They're trying to get ahead of something is what it feels like. They know if they get rid of him now and then there's a bombshell story in a month that it won't have the same impact on the company if he's not there, if he's not CEO. So that I think that's exactly what I think is actually taking place right now. But, yeah, the whole AI issue for me is a much deeper issue, and I think China's just trying to get it.

16:03Vinny? I'm going to take a completely different angle once I – hold on one second. Hold on. Hold on. I'm sorry, Pat. My whole mic. Yeah, my life is closed on. My question is, this is my question for you, Tom, and it kind of goes with military generals. When you think about military generals is a lot of times when you look at guys like in the book, Lincoln on Leadership, he talks about General McClellan versus Grant. And there's a chapter he has where it says, search until you find your grant. Okay. Search until you find your grant. If you type in search until you find your grant, I think it's chapter 11 or 12.

16:38And what he talks about is, you know, he kept relying on McClellan to go execute and get the war done. But McClellan kept saying, we need more training. We need more training. We need more training. We're not ready. Finally, Lincoln's like, dude, get the hell out of the way. Then he brings Grant. He says, hey, I need you to go finish the war. You know what Grant does? He goes finish the war, doesn't hear back from him, can't get messages back from Grant. Grant's not tweeting back. He's not texting back. He's not WhatsAppping back. Obviously, back in the days, it was none of those communications.

17:10It's calm that they're using. And Lincoln was pissed. And then eventually Grant calls and says, hey, guess what? What? We won the war. And what happens to Grant? I think he becomes a two-term president. Not necessarily the best president, but he was an incredible general. You know what Grant's flaw was? He was an alcoholic. He had a terrible temper. He was an alcoholic. McClellan was presentable. McClellan was a guy you would take into a room. You're like, oh, wow, look how presentable he is. One won the war for you. The other one was presentable. is the job of a CEO, Tom, for you as an investor, you've never met Jensen Wong.

17:43You've never met Tim Cook. Like, do you care Tim Cook is gay? You probably don't care Tim Cook is gay. I didn't know he was gay until like six months ago when somebody was like, he's gay. No, I care that he's great with operations. That's what you care about. What role does this play in this kind of a business to have a driver? How much of the role? Because it's a complex question that a lot of people are disputing. and debating on social media. Is this guy's job to just, hey, you and your wife, marriage is not working out, at least get the divorce, then go do your playing. But he's one hell of an operator.

18:16Where do you stand with this? This is not Roger Goodell representing the NFL. This is a guy where this is the U.S. needs to stay ahead on AI. This is we're up against China. This is we've got global things going on. This is deep security. This is energy in America with data centers. My goodness, this guy is one of the four horsemen of the AI apocalypse. This is serious stuff, and I'm concerned about it. I loved his leadership. Remember, he's just not the chapter of NVIDIA. He's not the, oh, he's just the CEO of General Motors for the last 20 years because it's a 100-year-old company. This guy was there in the beginning when they were building accelerator cards that would later become the thing that propelled the video game industry and Alienware computers because he had these incredible video cards where video games took off.

19:07This is the guy that started there. This is the guy that went from video cards to making a bet on this and then driving it. This doesn't just go, hey, look at the AI market. We're going to go build chips for it. He built chips for it, and then he built better chips for it, and then he built bigger chips for it, and then he left Intel in the dust. Should have he been fired? No. By the way, you're saying no. Unless the board. Can we do this? Unless the board is looking at those chips in China. Can we do this? I'm coming to you. Can you run a poll? He should have been fired and resigned. Okay, perfect.

19:42You guys are running it. Go ahead. You have a different position. No, I fundamentally come back to that whole idea that there's a potential national security risk here. Specifically because it's a Chinese spy. A hundred percent. If it was just infidelity, if it was just the ethics of he's not the greatest human being in the world, I think there's way too much on the line when it comes to AI to fire him for that reason. That's my page. But I fundamentally think also a company has to be able to sustain itself more than just its CEO. I think NVIDIA has gotten to that point where it's bigger than just him.

20:11So that's where I'm at. And guess what? Connor sent me this chart. I believe it was yesterday. Connor, that shows. Do you understand? NVIDIA is in the middle. Look at this AI bubble. This is a lot deeper than what I think people did. Nothing like this happens by accident, Tommy. Look at that, guys. NVIDIA is in the middle. Look at everybody. Microsoft, OpenAI, AMD. So, Patton, here's my thing. Where is the actual – I'm taking a whole different angle. Where is the actual evidence, Tommy, that Alice Huang is actually a Chinese spy? So far, it's just accusations. There's no – nobody's – it's all anonymous sources, okay?

20:46And since when, there's just – by the way, I'm not condoning it. I think it's bad. But, like, an extramarital affair, Tommy, what's up? Double check. Where is she right now? Where is she? I thought she fled back to China. Is she – but, I mean – Do you think that he would resign if that was not the case? Well, no, what I'm saying is in the public eye, if you're cheating on your wife, bro, people demand. That's where we're at. You don't think so? No, because you look at X, you look at the online rhetoric. People understand his value. But what about the CEO that was dancing at that concert with that chick?

21:15Coldplay. Coldplay. You have to resign. I don't know, bro. I don't trust China at all. Don't get me wrong. So you're in the resign part, right move? No, no. No, no, Pat. I'm saying, first of all, people are just saying anonymous source issues. No, I don't think he should have resigned. Apologize. You did something horribly wrong. This all stems from don't be a bad guy and cheat on your wife. None of this happens. Do you not think there's something deeper? Do you not think that potentially in a few weeks we're going to uncover? That the action was so intense, so severe, that they got ahead of it so quick.

21:48I think I'm with Ilan there. I think something's going to be released that we don't know about. I think there's something bigger going on. With him? with him? Not even with him. I think it could be within the company. I think it could be certain things that's going on that could be released that we don't know the whole story. But you know, I want to play this clip for you. Here's Jensen Wong talking about the pressures of being the CEO of NVIDIA, a$5 trillion auto company. Look what he had to say here. If you can play the clip I just sent you. This is his messaging. I think the lady is asking him, how hard is it to be the CEO of a company like this?

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23:42Introducing Xfinity Shield. Visit Xfinity.com slash Shield to learn more. Xfinity, imagine that. Restrictions apply. Not available in all areas. Is Xfinity internet and compatible equipment required? You know, I think you have to hold yourself responsible. You have agency. You're the CEO of the company, for God's sakes. You have to have high standards and expectations. I'm responsible for an entire industry. And so I think the pressure of being the CEO is high, and it's supposed to be high. It should not be an easy job. It shouldn't be a job that you take for granted. So this is a solid message that he's given.

24:20He's right. It is tough that somebody like this is going through it. And the interviewer is Emily Chang, which, by the way, it's not Huang, but it is a Chang. And so who knows what's going on there between the Huang and the Chang. But, you know, there's a community very pissed off on why this spy model works with Russians. It works with Chinese. if you can prepare the next meme, why does it not work with the IRGC? Like a lot of people are wondering because they've been thinking about why does this not work? And I think it's a valid question to be asking. This was brought up by a guy. I couldn't play it, but I had to show this because the guy Apteen Varizi who put this, but he put Andy's song over it.

25:05I couldn't play the song, so I got this meme from him. I mean, look at that cello cabot. You got some Muslim. We'll see you got some good bread. You know, you got the flag in the back. But the chai. This is terribly. How are you supposed to attract guys when you're. Iran's worried about when the spy from Durkha Durkha stand is covered with a burka. But by the way, to be fair, to be fair, that this this doesn't depict Persian girls. They are beautiful girls in the world. And I want to encourage Iran doesn't have to be worried. You have good access. But if they're going to get dressed, if they're fully covered, it's going to be tough for you guys to spy on other U.S.

25:40companies. You're going to need some people that are not wearing the whole thing. So my question is this. Is he amazing at doing his job? Yes. So he's a sinner. Does that mean you have to lose your position at a job because you're. No, I agree with you on that. You know what I mean? If it turns out that it was just due to infidelity, again, I think his value is so significant to society that you overlook it. Look, there are moral gray areas in you make these decisions all the time in that in that front. I fully agree with you in the front that there is a real national security issue potentially here and that they got ahead of it so quickly.

26:17Objectively, it just feels like they're trying to cut it off before it could damage the company more. Whatever that next story is, they're trying to say he's gone. We got rid of him. The next story doesn't have the same impact anymore. And then we're going to hope, I mean, how long do you think we're going to find out? They're not going to come on like, she was a spy. This is what happened. This is what she got from him. And now China. But if he was connected to chips that went to a shell company that ended up in China. That's a whole different situation. Major issue. Yeah. And by the way, Trump was apparently briefed on this a couple times.

26:47The replacement is the CFO. The CFO has been on dozens of calls. Tom, I want to come to you with this one here. She's experienced. since Colette Kress has been known for having multiple back and forths with Jensen. I think one time they wanted to invest$250 billion, and she said, no, we're only going to do$100 billion. She capped that at$105 billion. And so she's the interim. She won't be the CEO long term. They've got to go get a driver. Trump said, I think we need to bring in Tim Cook. Who knows if Tim Cook's even interested or not, but there's a lot of speculation being dropped. Tom, what do you think with the replacement being a CFO?

27:22Do you think the next replacement, the person that really gets the job, will be a well-known name? Or do you think it could be somebody, Loki, that we may not even know about? So I think it could be similar to what Apple did. Somebody that's known in the industry but not known really widely on Forbes, Fortune, and the cover of the Wall Street Journal. The NVIDIA earnings report, I believe, comes out next week. I think they either have an announcement or they have an earnings call coming up next week. Yes. Tuesday, November 17th at 4.20 p.m. That's when they're going to be out. So we're going to see how well she does as the interim role.

27:59Because, remember, you announce your earnings. You then have to bring confidence to the investment community, specifically the analysts that are following you. And that's going to be a rough call. What are you doing? Is there anything different? What's the organization? Are you losing any key employees? I want to see how she reacts because the board is putting their faith in her voice on a week to go up in front of the fire here, number one. Number two, to your point, I think it's going to be similar to what Apple did. Remember, Tim Cook was known, but then we got to know him when they said, listen, he's our guy.

28:33And then we got to know Tim Cook when Apple said, hey, our succession, I think you're going to like what happens here. Here's where we go. I think that's what we're going to see here. I think it's going to be methodical unless she has a disaster. Yeah, so check this out. So the poll we ran, here's what people have to say. They said, should Jensen Huang have been fired, made to resign? 27 % of the audience said yes. 27. 47 % said no, but 26 % said yes, but only for the Chinese spy. If it wasn't a Chinese spy, we wouldn't want him to resign. So you count them. That's me. There is logic. There's a lot of logic there of what they're talking about.

29:11But anyways, let's go to the next story. Next story is while everybody's minding their business until about 11.59 yesterday a.m., right at noon, if you're somebody that checks your email and gets alerts all the time, boom, Outlook stopped. And once Outlook stopped, everybody's like, hey, why not get the email back? What's going on over here? And now, till now, Microsoft Outlook outage, they've made some progress. There's a partial progress that they've made. You're getting the new emails, but the existing emails, Now, Tom, what happened to you with Microsoft? Well, Microsoft hasn't talked yet.

29:45Here's DownDetector. We're seeing this right now. DownDetector goes completely berserk at lunchtime Eastern yesterday, and everything just stopped. I remember my outlook just absolutely froze. I was actually sending an email, and it goes into Outbox, and it got stuck. It got frozen, and the whole app froze. And so I'm like, wow. I immediately go to down detector and boom, you know, the news is out there, number one. Then Microsoft goes the whole afternoon, doesn't really say what the issue was. And I wake up this morning and I'm starting to get notifications, but nothing's coming through, though the email can.

30:24Because the notification channel where you get a beep on your phone if you're using the Outlook app or you get a beep on your computer at the Outlook app, the notification is different from the email delivery channel. And so no email are coming in, but I'm starting to get notifications, and I can see the headlines of email. And then I go and look, and Microsoft still hasn't talked about it. I wanted to know, was this a crowd strike? You know, was this something like that? Was this a, you know, foreign government and a DDoS, distributed denial of service, where they try to overrun servers? Was this a breach in one of the servers?

31:01Nothing came out. There's been no explanation from Microsoft except we're working on it. And unless something's come out in the last hour since we're prepping for the podcast, I don't see it. And I think Microsoft needs to come out here and let us know what's up because CIOs and people across the nation want to know, hey, do I have to do anything special on my end? Was this a – was this – you know, you can't just say we had a bug. If it's a bug, you know what you do, Pat? You roll back. We have Menecht. We have higher metrics. We make software. If something is a bug, you do what's called rollback to the previous version, it worked.

31:36And then you say, hang on a second. But Microsoft, apparently they couldn't roll back. And they were saying servers were going down as quickly as they were coming back up. And I'm like, okay, something's in there doing something. Is it DDoS? Is it a piece of malicious code? And why haven't you made an announcement so that the CIOs and security officers all across the U.S. could be taking steps? That's a very good point. So you've got Outlook is down. Exchange Online, Teams down, Copilot is down, SharePoint is down, Administration and Security Tools is down. This is 74 countries, about 130 ,000 U.S.

32:10Outlook problems reported around Thursday's peak, more than 25 ,000 reports were still showing up approximately 9.30 p.m. last night. Singapore, DBS, UOB, OCBC reported email connectivity problems, Singapore Airlines. You have OpenAI and Anthropic reported problems with Microsoft connected integrations. The final root of the cause is still under investigation. Some are saying it's a hack. Could it be a China attack? Could it be something that's going on? There's no verified evidence yet supporting those explanations. Microsoft executive Charles LaManna said, there is no indication this is a result of malicious or cyber activity.

32:49As of right now, they don't know. When did Microsoft have the last biggest outage that lasted this long? The last one they had was in 2026. Earlier this year, they had a nine-hour disruption and 22 minutes. Nothing this long. They had another one November 25th and 26th for Outlook and teams of 2024 that lasted 24 hours. And then prior to that, they had another one October 29th to the 30th, 2025, eight hours and 24 minutes. Which means if this thing goes past 24 hours, this could be the biggest outage they've ever had in the history of Microsoft. up if it goes past 24 hours this is a four trillion dollar ish company we're talking why wouldn't you as a ceo as somebody tom why not come out and say something if it's been too this isn't like a five hour they kept quiet it's been two days like what tom what would make you not come on and say hey guys we got there was a hack or there was a bug or something come and tell people what the hell is going on instead of being in the dark i'll tell you one way what i get a call from the NSA that tells me, don't say shit.

33:50Oh, really? Let's just get it done together. Oh, okay. So if they're fighting a foreign actor and they don't want to, if they, what would the headline be if Iran and proxies had been able to do this, and this is coming from an external attack, what loss of faith in our own military and our defense security systems? Remember, there's defense security systems that are inside a lot of our commercial systems. Of course. Against foreign actors. What if the NSA is calling up and saying, hey, don't say anything. Let's just work on this together and let's get this thing done. That's one possibility. When a company says nothing, either they don't know or they're busy working on it, Microsoft would have someone that could come to the microphone while they would have every engineer not sleeping working on it.

34:36So, yeah, so what other possibilities are there then? Because you just created a scenario where that seems to be the only logical conclusion. Yeah, because you're waiting so long. Or they don't know. Or they're just working and really, really trying to solve it. I find our dependence on technology to be fascinating and incredibly scary. It's just gotten to the point where if my phone goes out, Verizon goes down, I'm like, oh, man, how am I going to communicate with anyone? What am I going to do? How do I even get in touch with people? I have, like, these end-of-the-world scenarios. But they're valid because they're just showing, like, bro.

35:08But we've gotten to a point as a society that just can't function without the technology that we rely on. Can I give you a crazy fact I just asked you I wanted to find out, Tom? Think about a small business owner. How much money do you think they spend on cybersecurity per year? Were you with me when we were at the NLG event in Argentina? No, you weren't there. And all they were talking about was cybersecurity, cybersecurity. I've been in the financial space since the day before 9-11. I never hear this much conversation about cybersecurity until this event. Never. At this event, all they start talking about is cybersecurity because how many people got social security?

35:44Insurance companies were being hacked and people were taking social security. What do you think? How many engineers do you think Microsoft has working per year just on cybersecurity? Before the layoff of 60 ,000 two weeks ago? I'm giving you the number they reported in their annual report of 2026. How many engineers do you think Microsoft has just working on cybersecurity? We've got 200 ,000 employees. I'm going to go with 10 ,000 on security. 35 ,000 that all they do is cybersecurity with a$20 billion budget over four years, and you still couldn't protect it. So you're saying it's important. No, what I'm saying is it's impossible right now.

36:26It's impossible right now. This AI has become so advanced that being able to hack is more, you know, faster than ever before. Like this is something that's happening right now more than ever before. But no matter how much you spend time and money into it, it's still taking place. You still have a possibility of somebody getting into your system. The landscape on encryption is changing way faster than we can compensate for, which is a really interesting concept because it's going to get to the point where all encrypted material in the world, I don't care what the level of encryption is, we'll be able to be solved like that far faster than we can compensate for that de-encryption.

37:05So there's this big problem right now in the cybersecurity space because of AI, because of quantum computing, that is going to break down everything that protects us. All the secret information in the world. A lot of people believe that everything that's classified will be available. And unless it's on paper, it's not safe. Yeah, I have a second angle, Pat, and it's something you and I have talked about. The other part I thought about was Hanlon's razor. Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity or just bad, dumb luck. And so could this be something in Microsoft where they just had one of their internal guys and just a really dumb set of things cascaded and created this whole problem?

37:45It's possible. So it is possible Hanlon's razor on one side, right? But the other side that's far more likely because it's taking so long to fix it. the longer it took to fix it the more i got worried that it's not a hand lens razor you know what i mean pat like hand lens razor i thought you would oh but maybe it's just a bonehead move and it'll be back up in a half hour but when it went 10 hours and 12 hours and 18 hours and now we're sitting here it's not completely back yet and we're at 22 hours because 12 30 eastern time we're sitting here on 22 hours now i'm like it's got to be something from the outside or something that's really big that 30 ,000 guys are having trouble fighting.

38:24Can you imagine 35 ,000 guys? You wake up every day. Your job is to be able to protect. And it's been almost by noon, it'll be 24 hours. Right now we're at 22 hours, Vinny. For 22 hours, nearly 35 ,000 engineers. I'm working on this one problem. Have not been able to fix it. No, no. Have not been able to fix it at a multi-trillion dollar company. And how much was the budget just for them to do this? And again, what's weirder. They have previous versions that they could just boot up. And they can't do that. For some reason, that's not happening either. The rollback is always your first, if you have an infection or you have a crash, a rollback is usually your first line of defense.

39:04Yeah. Okay, let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get into is, Tom, what happened with Hexitt's impeachment that collapsed? Everybody was waiting. This was going to happen. All of a sudden, even Hakeem Jeffries didn't want to vote for it. Was that strategic? Because he got a lot of pushback for not voting for it. What happened there? This was a fast cascade. So the progressive left wing that is in power right now, and we know who they are, AOC, Rashida Tlaib, all of them, the bloc, they said, Hakeem, you're being too cautious. We're going to go after Hegseth. And Hakeem said nobody from his caucus, the central centrist, said that we should be impeaching him right now.

39:52And the critics said, hey, why are you backing off? You're being too cautious. That was what they accused him of. And then they held a vote. Eleven Dems didn't vote on it for the impeachment. And then the progressive said, Hakeem, why didn't you whip it? Now, whenever you see those comments in the media, I'm not talking dirty here, they didn't ask him to whip it out. What they said was, why didn't you whip the vote? Because when they say you are the House minority whip, your job is to whip the vote, like get everybody. Wake up and get here to vote. We need your vote. Everybody in the chamber, everybody's got to be here to vote.

40:29You got to get in to vote. Be here to vote. And so they said, why didn't you whip it? And it says you didn't get those other 11 Dems to vote on it. So then they came out and they said, really? So, you know, what are you doing? And Hakeem told them, apparently in a small session, he said, listen, I don't think impeachment is the card to play right now. I think we should go after affordability in the economy. Then they said, no, that's not what we want to do. We're out for blood. They went out, shouted to the earth, and then 920 people—oh, wait, wait, I'm sorry. 920 ,000 people in 30 hours had their name on a petition that they wanted to get Hakeem Jeffries and others to move out.

41:13So this is bigger than just the Hegsist vote now gets tabled until the new Congress at the beginning of the year, Pat. This is bigger than that. This is the progressive. Do you remember when the Tea Party was bullying the other Republicans? Yep. The minute the election was over, Pat, remember when that happened? Mm-hmm. Ladies and gentlemen, 2026. That's what's happening here. Yeah, so if I'm looking at this right now, it says Thomas Massey, with eight articles alleging misconduct, including unauthorized military operations, brought it out on November 10th. Vote was 211 to 204 to refer the resolution to the House Judiciary Committee.

41:51And for Republicans, 210 said yes, send it to committee. Democrats zero, independents one. No oppose referral. One Republican, 203 Democrats. Didn't vote. Seven Republicans didn't vote. 11 Democrats didn't vote. Those are the ones they told them to go whip and get their vote. So if all 11 absent Democrats had voted against a referral with everyone else unchanged, the motion would have failed 2-11 to 2-15, which would have preserved the immediate impeachment effort. Not guaranteed impeachment, but at least it would have led to it. They would have got their way. They could have continued to the impeachment now.

42:28So let me ask you, can they still do this after everything is done, after new guys are replaced in January? Can they bring this back up and get Hexed impeached? They could bring it back tomorrow morning, but right now they've been kind of stuffed. So procedurally, once the new Congress is there, then the new speaker and they make rules and they put things out. So this probably waits till after January 4th when the new ones are sworn in. But now what it shows you is that the progressives are out for blood and there's infighting in the Democrat Party. We knew that there's a little civil war happening between the far left and the establishment left.

43:04And now they proved it. They're doing it a little bit too early. If they were smart, they'd wait until 2028, which is what Jeffries is essentially saying. He's saying just tone it down. We need to win 2028. And right now, what Americans care about is affordability of the economy. Okay, so let me ask you this. When they bring it back up, if we just ran the numbers right now, when they bring it back up, what is the likelihood that Hexet is out? 100%. Okay, so then here's a question for you. I hate to say it. I'm not against Hexet. But hear me out. If Hex said, you know how sometimes, you know, some people freak out sometimes.

43:35You know, sometimes like your boss comes to you and says, hey, I want to have a meeting with you this week. Some people panic and they automatically assume it's going to be fired, so they quit. Do you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, you almost have to qualify it and say, I want to have a meeting with you this Friday. You're not getting fired. I just want to have a meeting with you. So if it's out of the, what do you call it? If it's out of the typical weekly pattern of having a meeting with the person, freaks people out. But the difference with this is versus working for a corporation, corporations don't do a public voting like this for you to know if you're going to get fired or not.

44:11If you're Hexed watching this, you know what's most likely going to happen strategically? He's going to resign. He's going to step down. And, you know, he's going to look at this knowing by January they pretty much guarantee have this thing in place in lockdown. down. Don't be surprised if in the next two, four, six, eight weeks, you hear the news. Hex said has decided to take a break, go spend time with the family during the holiday season. Thanksgiving, Christmas, and he's done a great job and we give him an award and he steps away. So this is also one way maybe. Tom, what do you think about this?

44:44What do you think? Do you think Massey doing it on the tent was intentional to force a resignation? Because some people are saying you guys should have waited until January, but maybe Massey doing this early is his way of forcing him to resign. What percentage of credence do you give to that? I'm at 50%. Okay, yeah. And rising day by day as I see who is talking to who. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you think? Well, I mean, it's very interesting when you look at it that way. Strategically. Yeah, it's very interesting to do that. It's like, hey, hint, hint. And also, when is Massey out? This is Massey's last chance.

45:23So Massey knows he's not going to be there in January because he was replaced. Massey's out as soon as they officially break, which could be December 10th. It could be sooner. When they officially break and Mike Johnson throws down the gavel and say we're out of session, unless they're called in for emergency like a nuclear war, then they're done. And then clean out your office. The new guys are getting sworn in January 4th. Impeach. My question. Impeach for what? It reminds me almost like Colonel Jessup from A Few Good Men. And as much, guys, as much as everybody loved Tom Cruise and the message, and I get it, he gave the code red and everything.

45:58Like, when he's like, you need me on that wall. You want me on that wall. Bro, we went from transgender, dog-wearing uniform, freaking, do you remember the videos of these guys that were, like, making videos of, I'm telling you guys right now, you need guys like this, okay? And this misconstruction, mind you, I think the Iran war was a mistake. How many times have I said that, okay? but what are you supposed to do just get up and you can't give up and people are acting like we've lost 3 000 troops guys even one troop is bad i understand that but look at what this guy he's changing into the department of war we have to show freaking strength or these people will eat us alive and this i hope ilan i hope they keep playing this whole we're going to keep going after you because when the smoke when the impeachment and kick you out dust settles what are you guys standing on because what they actually stand on and we've seen it is that you know lgbtq push on the kids and everything the open borders which mind you there's a 1500 person caravan coming up right now from honduras to come here and they're coming here why because they go the democrats are going to help us do you understand that pat 1500 of them are coming here right now as we speak they're in route because and and the connor could hold up that story if you can find it they're like because we know that the democrats are going to help up help us that's what they're about all right what did pete hexett do pat what did he do wrong he strengthened the military he's gotten our recruitment up it just drives me crazy and this is just the story over and over and over what do you stand for trump sucks and get rid of his people and mind you did you know this trump has been a president for 2 123 days full get republicans have controlled congress for 1375 and congress was on recess 897 days roughly 42 percent of trump's time and off office time during that time guess how many uh recess appointments zero zero that's the mitch mcconnell's and these nick thunes and when you think that this is what boggles me republicans lost the senate in the midterms they turned around they re-elected john thune as a leader this guy's a he's a democrat in republican clothing brother they're doing nothing we've had the house and we have the senate and everybody always blames trump what is he supposed to do bro he tries to bring all these people and when it trickles down the judges are Biden-appointed, Tommy.

48:15They're Obama-appointed people. And we want actual change. They blame him. And I understand. He's the top, Pat. But what is he supposed to do? A dark night. A quiet house. But inside, danger was lurking. Oh, we have Xfinity Shield. Its built-in Wi-Fi feature detects movement without cameras. What she didn't know is that online, they're lurking even bigger. Xfinity Cybersecure protects us from digital threats, too. I should have stuck to rom-coms. What if protecting your home and devices could be drama-free? Introducing Xfinity Shield. Visit Xfinity.com slash shield to learn more. Xfinity. Imagine that.

48:50Restrictions apply. Not available in all areas. Xfinity internet and compatible equipment required. There's also an ideological issue in the country that we've stepped away from the idea that the world is more stable through strength. There's a bunch of imams, radical imams, talking about how their ability to infiltrate the United States will be easier with Democrats. They want Democrats to win. They love it. They say it. They say it openly. But the average American has gotten comfortable and forgotten that the world outside of the United States is not a pretty place. And so we also forgot, because we have such short-term memories, what was going on in the military before Trump, which was exactly what you're talking about.

49:27There was NAV speech videos about how to use pronouns, teaching military personnel how to deal with transgender people in foreign conflicts. Like if you're going into Iraq, you have to know that if you come into contact with a trans person, how you're going to refer to them. That's where our military was headed. That is happening for a reason. It's to weaken us. And a lot of these foreign adversaries, that's their goal. But let me do this to you. This clip with Van Jones went viral. He got permission from the guys who helped, you know, Democrats win at the midterms heavily. And they shared the strategy.

50:01and this was everywhere because it was like, hey, we did to you. You were not expecting. We took something. We amplified it so much, and it hurt your midterms. Watch this clip here. Now it can be told. How did we win the narrative on affordability? Were they just these nice little Democrats out there running for office and going to? No. The Republicans never figured out what we were doing. There's something called the American Accountability Network. work, tens of thousands of online humans, not bots, coordinated to make the affordability message a winning message online. 32.5 million people hit on Instagram every day.

50:4388.8 million hit on Twitter every single day. And 185 million Facebook hits every single day. And they never figured out the Republicans could not understand it wasn't bots it was actual human beings the most effective online organizing campaign called the American accountability network flew under the radar screen never been told and they were talking about the issue or they were saying you need to elect Democrats to deal with this driving the kitchen table affordability message and tying that to Democrats on a positive and Republicans on a negative the Republicans never figured out what we were doing.

51:21And what that meant was everywhere you go, people were talking about affordability and they were talking about kitchen table issues. They couldn't get any traction on these cultural war issues anymore because we figured out how to get around all that. Okay. So here's what I want you to do. Pause it right there. So he says this, Victor Davis Hanson, a very credible, reasonable voice that many people watch and listen to. So here's what he had to say. He's like, wait a minute. This affordability thing was exaggerated because it wasn't as bad as people thought it was. Watch this clip. Go for it. Everybody said a blue wave was coming and it became a tsunami.

51:59If you look at every economic indicator in 2022, it was worse than it is now or the same. Gas was about the same, but it had got higher. It had been up to$5. We never got$5. GDP was lower. The stock market was 20 ,000 points lower during the 2022 midterm. Per capita income in just four years ago was$14 ,000 lower. The poverty rate was two points higher. I could go on. I'm boring you. But almost the main thing about affordability, the inflation rate that year was what? 9.1. It was almost three times higher. So why, when the economy was terrible, and this time the economy was pretty good, did we lose because supposedly of affordability and gas?

52:56There has to be another explanation. And the explanation, I think, is what you just said, the messaging. Because when he came in, Biden, he inherited a Trump 1.9 % inflation rate. That was on top of the 9.1%, but it was still only 10 or 12%. And he had only aggravated over four years, it was only seven. So he didn't have a huge increase on top of his huge inflation. Donald Trump had 21 % aggregate when he came in. The Trump administration did not explain to the people the difference between the high prices they inherited that they were hurting on and how they had radically reduced the rate of increase.

53:39I love that. I'd love to get rid of the 21 because to do so, you'd have a depression. So you can pause it right there. So, Tom, you saw what Van Jones said. Vanchon's talking about this American Accountability Network, which, by the way, when I looked at their site, describes a network of creators, influencers, advocates, and organizers that amplifies political messages across different platforms, recruits people for phone banking, texting, and door knocking, supports Democratic and progressive candidates and causes, names Midas Touch as a network member. If you know Midas Touch, you know what they do.

54:10They're on the complete opposite side. The names that come up is Heather Booth, who's the president, then Rio Tazwell, director, Jennifer Lou Tazwell, treasurer, and Caitlin Prizio-Boxbomb, who is the secretary. And when I asked to see who's the funder behind and where the money comes from, it's having a hard time finding it. So I don't know if you can go to, you know, the one website that shows where funding is coming from. Let's go take a look at them. When you see what Van Jones said and what Victor Davis Hanson said, how do you process that, Tom? Well, two sides. First of all, Van Jones is bragging.

54:43that's about the technique that they use that he is giving a lot of credit to for winning the election and he's talking about it's done with humans if it's humans and they're organized and they're doing this that's part of social media that's part of the game my concern is that van are you sure that there aren't any bot networks in there when i look at the list of people in there and it looks at organizations on there there are organizations on there that have allegations about being bought farms. So you've got to be really careful, Van. Is every single person in there a human? Is everything in there?

55:20And so he's bragging on that. And that doesn't surprise me because those are the tools of modern elections. That's the way it works. That's the world we live in. Now, Victor Davis Hanson is another item. I see what he's saying, and you can step back and say, gosh, why is consumer spending holding up? Because one of the things that's been out there, pat has it not is that consumer spending on certain things has been up or has been holding Well, consumer spending has been up because part of it was the price of gas people are paying, so the spending has to be up on gas, on those elements. But the other side that I look at is, wait a minute, diesel is real.

56:01This is really happening to food prices. So you can look at a lot of the stats and you can say, hey, we stopped the rate from going higher. They did, and they deserve credit for it. And we got the inflation rate back to here. They did, and there is credit for it. But there is still the cost of housing, the cost of insurance. I look at these numbers, and those are real numbers that hit the American consumer. And you can say, well, look, consumer spending is there. But on the other side, I would say, well, it is, but the credit card balances are all-time highs, and buy now, pay later is an all-time high, and buy now, pay later defaults are an all-time high.

56:40So the consumer can be spending, but with what money? They've got credit cards and BP. So I get what Victor Hanson is saying. I get that that it was what Biden inherited versus what Trump inherited. And did Trump make a difference on it? I agree. But the fact of the matter is, if you just look at diesel and you just look at credit card balances and stuff and you look at what what food costs have been, you know, how do you how do you kind of ignore that true impact on the consumer? Yeah, if consumer spending is staying up, but consumer debt is increasing exponentially, it's not a good thing. Then they're using debt to cover inflation.

57:22A hundred percent. So it's not a beneficial marker for the society. I also think there's a huge issue with expectation versus reality that no one's addressing. Biden had a very different message than Trump. Trump came in in 2024 with the message that our economy would radically change. There's been a longstanding economic stagnation, potentially a silent depression. It's been going on for a very, very long time. People haven't really felt it. But when you come in with the message that you are going to fundamentally change people's lives and how they feel and how they're taking care of their families.

57:54And then you're right. Anecdotally, I can even say I have my own company. I've seen commercial spending go down. People are not buying as much non-essential goods. They're not buying as many like luxury goods or wants anymore. It's harder to buy food. So their experience is worse. And you can't tell an American that their experience is worse. But don't worry. The economy is good. Yeah. The stock market is good, but you're struggling. Nobody wants to hear that. Nobody cares. They want to know that they can put food on. And by the way, that's what Democrats ran on, which is funny because Democrats have never done anything to make your life better when it comes to feeding your family.

58:29So that's the great hypocrisy here. Again, short-term memories. I'm talking about short-term memories. People forget how hard it was. 2022, 2023. They don't care because it's broke because Trump is the bad man. And they brought it to Van Jones. Like, was it illegal? No. Based on what he described, like political campaigns coordinate messaging all the time. But this was absolutely an organized propaganda tactic. Full stop. It's called message saturation. They take one issue. They coordinate with all these thousands of people that you showed. They flood every platform and they make it look organic.

59:00But it's anything but. All right. And Republicans got their butts whooped. But this is what should piss conservatives off. Democrats understand that it's not just about having the better argument. It's about controlling what people are talking about. While Republicans were talking about real issues, ladies and gentlemen, the border letting in almost 15 to 20 million people that is affecting your affordability. How much cash were they giving these people, credit cards, hotels, everything? You don't think that health care, everything for illegal, they all push it. Mom Donnie in New York, what was the main thing?

59:29He's like health care for I don't care your status. If you're illegal with your kids, everybody is going to get health care. Okay? And then look what happened right after the midterm elections. What happened to Brent? It dropped 8.7%. Pat. All right? So I want – this is a big political lesson. It's massive. Democrats built an army of online people, coordinated messaging, doing all that stuff. By the way, Republicans had no idea. Van Jones is over here bragging about it. I just want Republicans to understand, guys, we have to start fighting like these people fight. Okay? 100%. They just showed how modern politics, political warfare works.

1:00:04You better step your game up because they're coming, literally. They're coming and they're telling you what they're doing. They're bloating in your face. That's the craziest part of what you want. Why would you say the silent part out loud? I want to read this article to you. Can you go back to the article I just sent to you? 2026, the first AI election. DNC deployed the American Accountability Network. And if you go a little bit lower to show the numbers, on the middle of the page, it shows the numbers. Watch this here. Go a little bit lower, lower, lower, lower right there. Social by numbers, 50 million followers on Facebook and Instagram, 70 of the top 500 accounts on Blue Sky, 58.4 billion impressions on Twitter, tens of millions of views per month on YouTube, strong creator network on additional platforms like TikTok, Thread, Reddit, Substack, and more.

1:00:49And AI could, the argument, the premise of this article is AI could have manufactured the appearance of public support. So they got these artificial personalities that is creating engagement. Oh, my God, so many people feel this way. I should go feel this way as well. So real influencers could supply the original content. So real influencers supply the original content. Then the bots come and retweet it like maybe these guys are really that powerful. I should go follow what they have to say. The author connects that hypothetical system to the American Accountability Network and argues they could overwhelm competing narratives.

1:01:23By the way, if this happened, credit to the Democrats. Absolutely. Credit to the Democrats. If this happened, you can say whatever you want to say. Yeah, except that it's Orwellian. It's Orwellian in nature. Hey, are you surprised, though? Absolutely not surprised. I'm not surprised. No, meaning why are you, as the opposing party, why are you not surprised that they're doing this? And they forced the argument, got the other side to back down and apologize, and then eventually they won. And it's not like the Republicans got fewer votes. They got the same amount of votes. Democrats just happened to get millions of more votes.

1:01:54Yeah, 20 million. 20 million more votes because they were motivated. Some people can call that a lot of different things, but they got their base to show up. Absolutely. Maybe the Republicans could have done a better job with campaigning of it. Okay, so that's that story. Next one I want to get into is, Tom, what is the story with diesel deal with Putin that was one of the stories that came out? What did you see there? What I saw is that, and I haven't dived deep into it, but tankers are being turned away because Trump makes a deal. Step one, Trump makes a deal with Putin. Hey, I want to buy some diesel.

1:02:28I want to bring supplies over here. Now, the amount that's being brought over here is like tenths of tenths of decimal points, Pat. It's not like a pipeline. It's not like another refinery. But Trump was trying to bring more diesel over here, trying to get more supply into the market to see if he could lower the cost to the consumer and specifically cost to consumer goods through shipping. So he wants all that to happen. So he makes this deal to do it. However, nothing has arrived in the U.S. yet because there's been refusal to ship and refusal to receive it and accept it. So people are saying we're not taking that Russian fuel.

1:03:05Why? Because there's people in the U.S. that are supporting Ukraine and say we're not going to help them. No, but there's actual sanctions against accepting it. Correct. It wouldn't be technically legal as far as I understand to accept it. But Trump feels that I made the deal so it's like an executive order, so sanction or no sanction, I'm saying yes even though the sanction says no. But there are people that are saying, sorry, we're going to follow the sanction. We're not going to do this. So the deal is not necessarily falling apart, But the deal can't be executed and people are out there pointing to the sanctions and trying to frustrate the president's progress.

1:03:40Yeah. And they're doing a good job. I think I think Trump is actually trying to alleviate economic pressure in terms of our end of it so that he can apply significantly more economic pressure to Iran to force a peace deal. This is my whole theory behind this. I think he's trying to force some kind of deal with Iran economically by pressuring them, alleviating pressure on Iran because that's the biggest pain point. If he can accomplish that, then he can re-pressure Russia afterward because he's pretty much just tearing off his major pain points right now. Pain point number one is the Iran war. He needs that to end.

1:04:13By alleviating the economic pressure on the United States, he can put more pressure on Iran. He can finish that. Fine, that's done. 2027 he can start reapplying pressure onto russia hopefully come to some kind of off-ramp there between russia ukraine if he can end by having some kind of plan for russia ukraine having some kind of deal with iran and re-establishing normal gas prices he will have solved every major pain point by 20 which would be huge for the 2028 whoever's going to be running because it'll say hey listen that's the he didn't end though because i don't i don't believe there's an end to the iran War, people, all they care about, bro, what did Pat talk about two weeks ago?

1:04:52If they look at the gas prices, if the gas prices finally fall down... And they're connected that entirely to the Iran War. And they stop that message of, oh, we lost in Iran 1. No, it's like, alright, listen, we got what we wanted. They don't have the nukes. But isn't it funny how after the midterms, gas prices dropped? Crude dropped. Brent dropped 8.7%. Nobody said anything. It's like, wait a minute. Were you guys lying? Hold! Hold the line! Let me say this. It's 190 today. There is a story here where in Victor Davis Hanson saying the fact that, hey, all this stuff that they said about the economy, oh, my God, this was not really real.

1:05:26But there's also another position he took where a lot of conservatives are talking about saying your anti-corruption messages loses credibility when your standards change depending on who benefits from it. And so here's him. Again, you can use one story that benefits you, but you got to use you got to share the other story with, you know, contradict some of the things that you may believe in. So here's Victor Davis Hanson. Go for it. Hey y 'all, Kelly Clarkson here with Wayfair. You know my favorite compliment during the holidays? Your house feels so cozy. That's when I know everyone's comfortable enough to kick off their shoes, grab more dessert, and stay a little longer.

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1:07:09Xfinity, imagine that. Restrictions apply, not available in all areas. Xfinity, internet and compatible equipment required. We're starting to see not just massive corruption among the Somali community in Minnesota, not just massive corruption in California, but we're starting to see unethical behavior at the highest levels. Some of us have been very worried about the Trump administration, that there are members associated with some of the Trump family, that are very active in the Middle East investing and helping people who are investors in the Middle East find receptive avenues in the United States that they might not otherwise find, given that they don't have contacts at the highest level of government, and vice versa.

1:08:00They are steering people from the United States who want to invest in the Middle East. I don't know if that's illegal, but it seems highly unethical. And so I think as we try to digest the midterm elections, people on the conservative side said, this party, us, we will not engage in corruption. We're going to be beyond suspicion of corruption. And maybe Donald Trump can go to the Congress and say, I want to beef up the Pelosi bill so Congress people don't invest as insiders during their tenures. and I will have an executive order in the executive branch matching step for step what you do in Congress.

1:08:40Pause it right there. Do you think he would do that? Do you think Trump would do that? The Pelosi deal, you know how as insider trading and you're putting your money, you think he would do that because Ana Paulina Luna was driving that at one point. Do you think this is something Trump would get behind to change the perception of corruption? Well, why haven't we? I mean, we had an opportunity here. We had the Congress. We had things going on there. Who's who's pushing against it? Is it is it that Trump won't or is it that Trump can't because the votes and everything that are in there that all these folks are going to quietly do it?

1:09:18Every lobbyist out there doesn't want this to happen. The lobbyists want the congressmen to make money on the stocks based on their decisions. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. So now, let's say he says, put it on my desk. Put it on my desk that I will sign the, what do you call it, the anti-insider training for members of Congress and Senate. He puts it on his desk. It goes to vote. What's the likelihood it passes? Zero. Okay, so then guess what, though? Guess what he gets to say? Hold up the list. Hey, I tried to put it out there, but it's Congress that doesn't want to do it.

1:09:55Here's the ones that voted against that. It's Congress that doesn't want to do it. So guess what? I can't do anything about that. So there's a part of it that I think there's an opportunity here as well where— That's a Reagan move, by the way. Trump can play the game. Trump can play the game. I'm for anti-corruption. Why don't we do this? Why don't we do that? Why don't we put him up? Why don't we vote for it? Why don't we see how you guys reacted? I bet you guys are not going to want to vote for it. And of course, there's going to be some on the Republican side, because if you pull up how much money some of these guys have made, have you seen the rate of return?

1:10:23Yeah, it's crazy. These guys are better traders than Buffett, better traders than Jim Simons, better traders than, you know, many of these guys. So what do you think when you hear Victor Davis Hanson saying that corruption is also hurting the administration? A hundred percent it's hurting the administration. And it comes back to the original point he made, which is a disconnect of messaging. Trump ran on anti-corruption. That was his message. You cannot run on a message that you are then accused of being a part of. It just doesn't work. And by the way, it comes down to everything. I talk about this all the time, how Americans have lost trust in the institutions that are there to protect us.

1:10:57And when Trump came and said, I'm going to fix this, a bunch of Americans put their trust in him. And then we saw the Epstein files didn't follow through the way people thought. We're seeing corruption come out in his own administration. We're seeing, again, the economy didn't fall through. These are broken promises in the American public's eyes. That's what they're frustrated about. And by the way, it's better to under-promise and over-deliver than to over-promise and under-deliver. And I feel like that's Trump's biggest problem in all this. He talks a lot, but then we need to see the execution of those things.

1:11:26But is it hardly, Elon, when your face would constant, like even the people that are supposed to be on your side, brother, when they talk about the swamp, it is so deep and has so many freaking creatures. Look at all the stuff that we learned from Suzy Wiles. And then you see Alina Haba. And what's that quote? Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. And it's like you're finding out, bro. Like, it goes all the way. And, like, you know what the beauty is about us? We can at least admit when our side is messing up. The other side, they're ride or die. They'll never, ever admit.

1:11:56They'll never admit that they had a president like Biden that was, we all saw that was. But they're like, no, he's the most. Actual dementia. It just drives me crazy, bro. Like, even if you think about the voting for the, remember in 2025, they did the Congressional Vote Against Violence Against Women Act, like all the funding for the rape, all the stuff that was happening. They voted not to release it. They look after each other, bro. That little swamp. Look at Ilhan Omar, bro. We know. We don't think. Ilhan Omar, who drives me crazy, she just won again in Minnesota. She is walking around because she knows she's untouchable.

1:12:28She's invincible, bro. No, besides marrying your brother, besides the husband,$30 million, oh, I messed up on my taxes, besides the child daycare, these people, when you're in, I tell people all the time, Pat, if you're just a regular street thug and you're stealing and you're doing, you're an idiot. Get into politics. Tom, once you're in Washington and you're wearing a suit and you have a fan. You'll make a lot more money. You can go. Name one person that's been arrested for anything. We talk about this all the time, the accountability issue. It's unbelievable. Those are, by the way, those are the fracture points, to Pat's point, that Trump should be harping on.

1:13:03Those fracture points are where you can get the American public behind you because you can throw it at the establishment. That's actually what Trump did to win the election. He threw all those fracture points saying, look at how corrupt they are. Look at how little accountability there is. I'm the guy who's going to change that. He didn't. So you can't run on the idea that, hey, there's the club that someone needs to be an insider on. Can I ask a question? Can I ask a question? Can I ask a question here for you guys? And let's run a poll on this. Can you guys run a poll on this? When you score the president on what's been done towards corruption, don't answer yet.

1:13:37When you run a score on how well of a job the administration has done against corruption, we're talking the Pelosi's, we're talking Doge, we're talking all of that stuff, we're talking Minnesota, we're talking California, we're talking all the corruption that happens in America. Percentage? Score. So, number one, put zero to – actually, just put this, if you guys don't mind. Just put one, two, three, four. You know, four being the best, one being the worst. One is an F, two is a D, three is a CB, and, you know, four is an A. What score do you give it if it goes one, two, three, four? I'll let the poll go up there first and give your score.

1:14:17What do you give them on what they've done with corruption? Tom, I'll come to you first. On a one to four? One to four. And a four is like a 4.0? Four is they crushed it. They got an A. Like that's an A. These recent things are not good looks, but I give them a three, three and a half. Tell me why. Because look what they did when they discovered Nick surely exposed some things. And then the president put his weight behind it, behind California, behind what's going on there. Number one. Then there was Doge that he tried to put up there and all the people that got in his way. I give him a high score for for having Doge there.

1:14:51And then what happened is the swamp frustrated Doge. He ended up in a conflict of personalities with Elon. But I think the administration actively tried. Now, on the other hand, I don't like the meme coins. And I didn't like that part of it. You give it a three and a half? What do you give it to? Give it a three. I said three, three and a half. So say three. I'm less, Pat. Until people go to jail and prison and have to pay for their crimes, I'm going 1.5. Because, mind you, it keeps getting to where, Pat, it gets to the point where even when they're exposed, and is it just me? when it goes to a judge, it gets thrown out because Obama put the judge in.

1:15:27And they're like, no, get out of here. I don't think it's good. Doge, they did it. Doge should have stayed. Even though they started it, Pat, and I know all the funny name guy that was involved, they had something really going on there with the NGOs and everything. It's a low score for me. I think it's 1.5. 2 to 2.5. The benefit I'll give to Trump is the exposure of corruption. The execution of getting rid of it is where he failed, and the accountability is where he failed, in my opinion. Doge didn't do what it was set out to do. It didn't. The accountability of Elon Omar, you're talking about all these politicians who are being exposed for being sketchy.

1:16:02There's no true accountability in the end of the day. So the Epstein files, there's also no accountability there still. What do you think? I mean, listen, man. Both sides, you have a lot of stories. But when you hear Alina Haba's$50 million contract, you hear the meme coins, you hear all the stuff that's going on, You end up getting a very low score. You know, a part of it, Doge to me was one of the most exciting ideas. I was excited about Doge. I was actually excited about tariffs. I was excited about voter ID. They did the, you know, what they did with the border was very quick. My score is going to be a two, two and a half on what happened.

1:16:41The exposure is one you're marketing, bringing eyeballs to it. But the way you get judged in business and in life is what? Results. Yeah. Yeah, so you can say all you want, but there was no result. So I don't know if they're getting a high score. So now the question becomes, what faith is he at? He's got last two years left. We're having dinner the other day with two very successful billionaires in business in Palm Beach. Tom, you and I are there. And every time I go talk to these guys, we talk politics for three hours straight. You think it's business? We never talk business. It's all politics and it's fighting, arguing, all this stuff.

1:17:15It's great. It's my kind of a dinner, and it's phenomenal. and you never know who's going to be there every time there's somebody new there. But one of the conversations was is, you know, these guys are going to end up pardoning everybody. What are the likelihood that Trump's going to self-pardon himself? 80%, 90 %? Very, very high. 100%. What is the likelihood he's going to pardon his entire family? 100%. What is the likelihood he's going to pardon Hexed, Besson, all those guys? Very high likelihood. Now, who gave him the permission to do that? Biden did. Of course. So Biden made it easier for him to go do that.

1:17:44Now, you know, knowing Trump, you know who else he could pardon as well? that I wouldn't be surprised. He could pardon Biden. He could be the type of guy that pardons Biden to throw everybody off. He would say, I would not be surprised if Trump pardons Biden. It'll confuse the shit out of everybody when he does that. Genius move, actually. But you know what Biden doesn't protect you from? It protects you from federal, but not by state. State by state can still come after it. And the reason why I'm talking about the dinner is because this is where the conversation went. One of the gentlemen at the dinner brought up the fact that state by state, they can still go after the family.

1:18:18So if you think they're going to be done here, so maybe Trump is sitting there saying, if we go after all these guys, they're going to come after us. And look at the way you reacted. What did you say? I need people to go to jail until I see people going to jail. The same energy you have, Vinny, the opposite side has the same energy. I want to see Trump go to jail. Hexet belongs in jail. I want to see Don Jr. They belong in jail. Until if I see that, I'm not happy. If actual crimes are committed, I want it. willing to do it even if crimes were not committed. And that's the same attitude I had. Mind you, across the board, I've had that even...

1:18:51I love that you mentioned that. You did. No, you did. You've been very consistent about it. I'm not calling you out. You've been consistent. Left, right, center, I don't care who you are. We need to hold you accountable. Go to it. But, you know, a part of why... By the way, do we have the score of what people voted on? I'm very curious. I'm actually curious to know what the poll came back. Can you send it to me? I want to know what the audience says because the audience... Here we go. wow 36 % gave it a one yeah that's bad that's 33 % gave it a two 21 % gave it a three and only 10 % gave it a four that 10 % is wearing a MAGA hat right now you know it 10 % gave it a four good for you the audience yeah truly good for you the audience by the way you know what that tells you you know And that's our audience to score it that way.

1:19:41I know. That means 69 % gave it a two or less. 69 % gave it a two or less. And by the way, the rest of you watching, if you haven't voted yet, go vote. I'd like to see the sample size to get into a few thousand. Leave the poll up. I'd want people to keep voting to see which way does it lean, does it go one way, does it go another way? So I think if I'm the administration, you have to do something about this. You were the anti-corruption team. Yeah. You were supposed to solve this issue. You were supposed to get the confidence in CIA and the FBI to go up. They got some work to do in this area, and the American people, specifically on the Republican side, are speaking about this.

1:20:19Do you remember the feeling after the assassination attempt on Trump? It was shocking. Thank God he survived. But there was a feeling of like, we are ready. I remember feeling this, and everyone I talked to, this is it. This is a turning point now for America. Things are going to change. This was the mark. And I remember that moment for me was definitive. I was like, that is now going to be the president of the United States. There was this intense electricity around it that has completely dissipated. And it's almost impossible to maintain that level of, because, again, the expectation went through the roof.

1:20:58By the way, if it wasn't done the first two years when you had control, what is the likelihood you do it now? It's so slow. It's so slow. I wouldn't say zero, but it's very minuscule. That's a photo that feels like conviction. That's a photo that feels like someone who's willing to put their life on the line for what they believe in. And you're talking about the potential of being arrested. We've seen Trump face this for so long already, the fear of being— So what is stopping him is what I wonder. That's my biggest problem. Like, this is a guy who's willing to die for what he believes in, as far as I know.

1:21:30And yet he hasn't executed on the thing he promised. Tom, I'll give you the final thoughts on this story before we move on. So, well, I'm the guy that went through three and a half. You went three and a half, yeah. So I'm sitting there, and I'll tell you. But, Tom, that's okay. That's your point. And I think, by the way, look at what Bigger. My point is he went after it, and the execution wasn't necessarily on him. The entire swamp is what crushed Doge. Can you unpack that? Be specific. Okay. For an entire week, the media was more interested in an analyst called Big Balls than they were in the actual things that were being investigated.

1:22:09And they were coming up against it, and they smeared this poor kid, and he was an analyst, right? Edward Korstein. And so it's like, wait a minute. What are we really talking about here? We were attacking those that were shining the light. And that just bothered the hell out of me. Doge was frustrated because the swamp stood up and suffocated it. And then there were egos and other things that were in the room. And then the dispute between Elon and Besant, did they get into it a little bit? And so I feel like that. And then you look at the states. Talk about the states. How about the states defending the corruption that an independent guy like Nick Shirley, who I fear for his safety daily, went out and did this.

1:22:54And Trump sent the FBI. He sent investigators out. So was the execution there? No. Did we get there all the way? No. You can give it a one or two on ultimate results, and you can criticize the meme coins, but they tried to go out after it. And so I get a little revved up about that. Because I have a real question here. Then what's the answer? Because what you're saying is the establishment is so powerful, the swamp is so big, that even the person who we put our faith in to change it, who we thought was willing to do anything, is incapable of actually affecting it on any level. What does that say then?

1:23:31That says how bad we need insider training. We need all these laws and regulations to be passed while the swamp stares back at the U.S. voter and says, you're not going to get it. And it's like, okay, where are we going? Where's the patriot that's going to stand up? I wish some of this stuff got done is there time to get something done? Yeah, so do you guys remember that party we were at where you and Tico are in the freaking what do you call it, rooftop, you're screaming at protesters, I don't know if you were a bad influence I was in Washington What the hell are these guys doing? You and him were singing and then we got out and somebody spat on one of the security guys and he got arrested right in front of that video They would have done that anyway, but I'm sure I didn't help No, but But if you remember during that time, I kept saying they're going to say the puppet masters who?

1:24:23Musk. And the magazine came right out. Easiest way to pin Trump against Musk is so easy because all you have to do is get under Trump's skin to say you are not the leader. It's Elon Musk and he controls you. Yeah, this was a day when the guy spat on us. And, you know, these guys were running up to us. We have security. We have all this stuff that's going on. But it was a wild day right there. He spat right on the head of security, and he got arrested immediately. Anyways, so to me, this divide-and-conquer game, like it almost needs to be the following. It almost needs to be the following where it's like, listen, I role-play with my kids, and this is what I say.

1:25:02I'll say, hey, I'm going to tell you what people are going to say about your dad to you. How are you going to handle that comment? Tell me how you're going to react to it. Somebody said this. Oh, I want to punch him in the face. No, you're not. No, you're not. You're not going to do that. And I'm giving more painful statements, more painful statements, more painful statements. I said, okay, let me give you comments between you and your brother, siblings. This is what they're going to say. What are you guys going to do to make sure it doesn't come in between the two of you guys? You know, nothing.

1:25:29We're always going to be. I said, no, manipulation and deception is very powerful. Don't get it twisted. They know how to work with flattery. They know how to work under your ego and say stuff like your father likes him more, your father likes him more, and your father likes this person more, and they favor that person more. They kind of find a way to divide and conquer through flattery, through ego, through all that stuff. They succeeded. They succeeded. The moment you saw these two guys going at it, where people start saying, without Elon, Trump would have never been a president. You know, it's because of Elon.

1:25:58So the divide and conquer game led to Doge not working out, but that still means you said you were going to do it and you haven't delivered on your promises yet. No matter what it is with the swamp, You don't get an out at the toughest job in the world. We criticize Jensen Wong a lot, but that guy is just the CEO of a multi-trillion dollar company. You are the CEO of a multi-multi-multi-deca-trillion dollar business that whatever decisions you make gets around the world. And a lot of people backed you because they wanted you to get the corruption out. What do you do now the last two years? I don't know.

1:26:37It's going to be interesting to see what happens the next two years. Tom, you may want to check your phone. No, no, I don't think I didn't even hear it. That's not me. No, it's not mine either. It's coming from somewhere. I hear something. Anyway, but Pat, but that's why I think, Elon, to go to your point and your question, that's why Trump was, listen, say what you want. God chose that guy that you're fired orange to become the president at the time. He exposed everything. Maybe his duty was to show everything, because like I said, we're seeing how nothing's going to change, but now it's on us.

1:27:10Everybody's always like, what are they gonna... It's up to us to hold them accountable. Don't vote for these freaking people. If a new party at some point has to start or whatever, at the end of the day, Ilan, they're this small, their percentage of who they are, the elites and the swamp. We're the 99.999 % pack. It's us. Do you know what the danger is in all of this, though? When civilizations, when populations within civilizations feel like their government will not be held accountable, the expression ends up coming out in different ways not the most positive ways and oftentimes also when people feel like there's no accountability for things that's when they're more likely to hand over their security or their rights or whatever it is to more extremist parties which is what we're seeing now we're seeing the frustrations with trump result in more support for dsa more support for extremist ideals because people's frustrations needs to be satiated no one likes a complex solution to a complex problem.

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1:29:41Do I want to go through that? Exactly. Do you want to go through it? So go through the selection process right now. I'm going to give you names. You give me their scores of conviction, enthusiasm, that they still want to go work hard. They still want to back up Trump. They still want to go work hard for the guy. They still bought into the MAGA concept. Who are the people that you would give it a high score to? I'll give Besson 0 to 10. What do you score them? Twas many nights before Christmas, and one woman knew she needed a Christmas tree, so to Wayfair she flew, finding just the right one, and for years it will last.

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1:31:44They're trying to kill this guy. Iran and other stories are coming out. They're trying to kill this guy. So, okay. Zero to ten. Hex it. What do you put it? Conviction. Enthusiasm. Not burned out. Wants to continue. And can execute. Nine. You put Hexeth as a 9? Where do you put him? He's fighting. Look into his eyes. I think he's a 5 '6". You put him at a 5 '6"? Not me. No, I give Hexeth a high score. Okay, keep going with me. That's okay. By the way, we don't have to agree. That's okay. So let's continue. Where do you put Rubio at? 0-10 wanting to fight. 7.5. I'm at 7. Yeah. 8. 8.5. I actually think Rubio is a fighter.

1:32:16So you put him higher. Yeah. Where do you have Vance at? True believer. I want to push. I want to run with you. What do you need help? He's lukewarm. He's five. He's right in the middle. Three. Three? Where do you put him, Tom? I think he's a five and falling because I don't think he wants to be in this agenda. Okay. Stephen Miller. Where do you put Stephen Miller? I would put nine and a half. Very high. I got gangsta. He's a 9.9. Is it fair to say he's the highest right now to want to go out? Yes. And he's a true believer. So you know what the president needs to do, and he's done this his entire life.

1:32:45Let some people go gently. Let them own it that they quit, that they're moving on. and some other people you got to replace. You know, it's been a rough last couple months. It's not because he doesn't work. Trump went on 30 different rallies in 14 days to go, you know, promote and drive and got the same amount of votes that he got last time. So it's not like the base wasn't there. Democrats just had a better marketing campaign on the back end. And I have regular conversations with people on the back end and say, you guys are not unified enough to go out there and drive and think strategically.

1:33:15You need some of these ragtag guys that are chippy to bring him in a room and say, What the hell are we doing? You need that again. But you need execution. I think he needs to bring three new people on the team that are fighters that are not burned out. You know how long? You know the average lifespan of a CFO with a company? You know what the average lifespan with a CFO of a company is? Two and a half, three years. That's it? Oh, yeah. They're in and out. CFO? Yeah, yeah. All right, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. CFO is two and a half. You know what the average lifespan of a CMO is? Two and a half, three years.

1:33:43You know what the average lifespan of a COO is? Four years. Okay, four years is slightly higher than others. Yeah. Okay, there you go. CFO is around 2.1 years. I'm even higher, right, for some numbers that you're thinking about. So why is that? Why is it that smaller company CFO's lifespan is shorter? Why is it that the lifespan of startups for executives is shorter? Why is that? It's hard. It's freaking hard. Yeah. It is not easy. So why is it that working with Trump is harder? Because Trump is what? Nonstop. You know how easy it is to work for Biden? You ain't doing no calibration, meaning, hey, let me tell you, I don't think you're doing a good job.

1:34:24He doesn't know that you even work there. How often do you think Biden's had a conversation about how bad of a job you're doing? That's never happening with Biden, right? He's the best boss because your calibration score is always high. The guy loves me. He never criticized me. He never does anything, right? Working with Trump? Holy shit. Two o 'clock in the morning. Hey, what's going on? Then guess what happens? Here's the other thing. So it's one o 'clock in the morning, two o 'clock in the morning. You're getting a text. Honey, don't answer it. Just go to state. Don't tell them in the morning.

1:34:50I have to pick up. And you can only do that a few times, but then you realize the wife's the problem for some people. They don't want to take the call. So for me, the enthusiasm level of bringing people right now that are hungry is what matters. Who you bring now next matters. Who those people are, go nominate them. But you need people like Miller. You need fighters like Miller that have a chip, preferably mid-30s to early 50s. Light them up. Let them go. And you have them for 12 to 18 months. You don't have them any longer. Miller's an attack. This is the time. Right now. Some people should put their hands up.

1:35:26Some people should say, I would do it. What do you guys need? Let's roll. Some people need to put their hands up. But a lot is on the line. A lot is on the line for the team to get unified. Sometimes you lose, you get your ass handed to you. I was watching Last Dance the other day. You know which one I watched? I watched the episode where the second time that they lost to the Pistons. And you know what he did when they lost? You know what's the first thing he did the next day? calls Tim Grover saying, let's go to the gym. I've got to get buffer. And he put on 15 pounds. And he came back and swept the freaking piston so bad that Lambeer and Isaiah Thomas didn't want to shake his hand.

1:35:55They didn't. They got off the stage. And then guess what? Years later, when he was going to the Olympics to play for the Dream Team, and he said, is he going to be there? He's not. That's the only way I'll play. Wow, I remember that. That's the only way I'll play. But sometimes you get your ass handed to you and we've got to pick it up. Sometimes that's the best thing that can happen to you. But you need players that are bought in. I always look at guys and I'll say this, Tom. I'm like, hey, that guy's not bought in. I said this by one of our guys for Tom four months ago, five months ago. I said, that guy's not bought in.

1:36:25What do you mean? He's not bought in. When I look at his face, it's just a job. He's not bought in. What do you think about her? More bought in. What do you think about him? Somewhat bought in. What do you think about that guy? Fully bought in. You're looking at the buy-in, and this guy knows what that's like. You don't think Trump knows what it is to work with him? You better believe he knows what it is to work with him. So anyways, it'll be interesting to see what they do next. Let me get into the next story. Next thing I want to get into is slightly a different story of what we've been talking about.

1:36:53Talk about a guy that delivers on his promises. Bukele, you guys know what happens with this Bukele? Can you pull up the tweet where he responds back and saying, can you tell me the grid coordinates of where this guy's at? This is some crazy stuff, by the way. So Bukele, a person, oh, they removed it? Is this the bottom or is there a response to a tweet? Oh, they removed the post. Got it. So a guy puts on a tweet about what's going on with some of the Haitian guys because, you know, four of his guys are missing in Haiti, that they went there on a humanitarian mission. He sends 2 ,500 troops of his special forces, the best of the best.

1:37:29He says, where is that house? Give us the exact address. We're going to destroy it. And then you know what happens? Can you do me a favor? Send up the video that shows the – yeah, here's a – watch this here. Let me read the top. Go up so I can read the top what it says. So we kept our promise. We destroyed the house of Lanmo Sanuo and 400 Mawozo gang's headquarters. Most of them ran away without even trying to fight. What cowards? Crying emoji. Watch this. I love the crying emoji. Dude, that's a chopper. That's a chopper. What is that on there? Oh, is that real footage? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

1:38:07Done. Okay, there goes the tennis court. By the way, a guy on Twitter gave the information and they went and lit this place up. Oh, damn. Do you have the video that I sent you that shows what happened there, like the detailed analysis of what happened? I don't know if I send that one to you or not. If you have it, pull it up because it's very, very interesting. Have they recovered the guys, Pat, the four people that were? No, not yet. He hasn't recovered the guys, which means, guess what? This is it. Watch this one here. What he ends up doing. Go ahead. They asked online for a gang boss's address, and days later, drones hit his house.

1:38:41The house was used by Wilson Joseph, the leader of 400 Mawozo, one of Haiti's most feared gangs. His nickname is Lanmo Sanju. Death doesn't know what day. In 2021, his gang kidnapped 17 missionaries, mostly Americans, and asked for a million dollars each. The U.S. put a$1 million reward on him. Then, on October 18th, four Salvadoran technicians were ambushed near Haiti's capital and vanished. So Bukele sent about 2 ,500 soldiers to find them. Last week, someone on X posted pictures of a new house linked to the gang boss with indoor and outdoor pools. Bukele replied, where is this house? Give us the exact address and we will destroy it.

1:39:28Around the same time, the gang boss asked the UN for peace talks. But on Sunday at 2.30 in the morning, explosive drones flown by Haitian police hit the house. Four helicopters covered them from above, two of them from El Salvador. Reports say up to 20 gunmen were inside, but that's not confirmed. And Lanmo Sanjou? He wasn't home. Two days later, Bukele posted the video. Promises kept. We destroyed the house of Lanmo Sanjou and the headquarters of 400 Mawozo. He said most of them ran without even trying to fight. What cowards. Haitian reporters still can't confirm how much was destroyed, and some pictures going around were made with AI.

1:40:12And the four technicians are still missing. So Bukele didn't get the gang boss or his four men back. What he got was a message every gang can read. We know where you live. Follow us and send this to that friend. By the way, so when you watch this video, you know what it does? You know what it does? What feeling does it give you? You know, we're not Salvadorian. We don't live in Salvador. But what feeling does it give you? Promises made. Promises kept. Yeah. Promises made. Promises kept. Get a guy to get world respect from around the world to say, hey, you mess with us. This is what we're going to do.

1:40:44And those 2 ,500 soldiers are still there. Bro, let me explain something to you. I mean, I pray to God that they're not torturing and that they're still alive. But for their sake, like, if I was El Salvadorian, besides what he did with the prison gangs and all those people that have their heads down, and they're all shaved, and they're all in their freaking underwear. I want a leader that I know that if he's going to say it, he's going to talk the talk, he's going to walk the walk path. You know how comfortable I'd be knowing that he's out there looking, like they're looking for you to come get you, and they're bombing the freaking house.

1:41:12We live in the Twilight Zone. We live in the Twilight Zone. Look at the tweet, crying face emoji. Crying face. What powers crying face emoji? Got the information from X to go blow up a gang leader's home and then saying, you know, happy face promises. You know, this reminds me of Don Rumsfeld. And Rumsfeld, this goes back, what, 20 years now? In Rumsfeld's press conferences, he had a reporter say to him, and he says, you know, the feeling about the United States is being diminished around the world. They're mocking you. Doesn't that bother you? I mean, this weekend, there's going to be 200 al-Qaeda that are protesting in this city square against the United States, and the citizens are not scared of them.

1:42:03The citizens are afraid of them, but they're not afraid of us and they're saying bad things about us. Okay, you were saying it was Saturday at 2 p.m.? Yeah, and he wrote that. He said to her, he takes his paper out of his pocket, and he said, would you happen to have the coordinates? No, he goes, 200 together, Saturday at 2 p.m., okay, got it. Do you have the coordinates? And it's like everybody sat back and said, boy, I wish it was that easy. Guess what? Today it is that easy. It is that easy. And that's what happens. By the way, you know who Bukele is? Let me read this to you. Look how quickly you're going to know who Bukele is.

1:42:33You ready? This is Bukele. I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you're looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. if you let my daughter go now, that will be the end of it. I will not look for you. I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you. And then the guy says what, the famous lines? That that's how he ends up tracing him? Good luck. Yeah. Remember that scene?

1:43:07Good luck. Good luck. Such a good scene. And he goes, and do you know there's a scene that he gets into? I just got the chills. He goes into a scene. He's in the house. He finds the place, and he says, hey, I need the money to be hired. If you don't, I'm going to tell it. I need you to give me 10%. And we're going to raise it to 15%. And then he's about to leave. He hands the guy a note. He says, hey, people want to tell me, what does these two words mean in Albanian? Can you translate it in English? And in Albanian, it says, good luck. And the guy says, good luck. And he says, that's the guy.

1:43:36He says, you don't remember me, do you? Oh, no. He says, I'm the one who called you. And then you see the guys take the gun. Boom, boom, boom. He kills everybody, right? From taking. Taking Liam Neeson. That's freaking amazing, that move. Bukele is that guy. He is that guy. But in Spanish. But in Spanish, Salvadorian. And with an entire army behind it. Yeah, exactly. Moly, I will find you and I will kill you. That's Bukele. Bukele should get a shirt that says, I will look for you, I will find you, I will kill you. Have a special set of skills. He will send us. We helped, you know, Dominic Tarjinsky sell a bunch of shirts called Be Like Poland.

1:44:10Yeah. I think Bukele would sell millions of shirts called I Will Kill You. Anyways, all right, let's go to the next story. Next thing I want to get into is an interesting one that just happened. Is this story with the girl. What happened with the girl on the campus? Monkey. They're going door knocking. And all of a sudden they get kicked out. School sends them out. They raise a bunch of money. What happened there? So, yeah, they pretty much walked by a dorm room. Was it a dorm room maybe? They were calling a ring camera making monkey noises outside an apartment where black students live. This is what they're doing?

1:44:40This is exactly it. And they did it. Now, look, the girl in the back does nothing, by the way. She was punished and kicked out of the university. She was also just because of association. Guilty by association. And so were they doing this to every house? They supposedly did it to a few other rooms. To four other ones. And they publicly apologized, Pat, but they said they had no idea that black students lived there. And they also reported admitted doing the same thing to four different doors. They did it to every other. I don't know if there's rain cams on other doors, but there's no confirmed evidence that they knew who lived in that apartment.

1:45:12The social outrage over this, though, the forget one thing, the university giving them consequences, but the outcry over it is surprising. It's like we're reverting back to woke. Yes, because I'm actually shocked at some of the stuff I'm seeing. People want to destroy these girls lives. Like, I understand it's not a good look. It could easily be interpreted as racist. You know what? We've gone to a point where every time I open the Internet, there's just extreme racism everywhere. Anyway, that's what I'm confused about. You open the Internet, there's a video of people on the street saying, oh, Hitler was right, blah, blah, blah, or like some kind of insane racist stuff.

1:45:46It just become completely normalized. So for this to get the level of outrage it's getting feels like a social reversion, like the pendulum is swinging back in the other direction. And you're seeing now that they're also getting support on GoFundMe, and it's kind of playing both sides again. And we're entering that phase where you're slowly going to see more and more and more extreme reactions and social outrage. So this was November 6th. Ring camera caught it. The video goes viral on TikTok. By Tuesday, it's got 12.5 million views. And black students, three black, I don't want to read their names, who live in that dorm.

1:46:21One student identified herself, 18 years old, acknowledged her involvement. She called her actions insensitive, inappropriate, and deeply harmful. Her explanation, Kun said she had never been in that residence and did not know who lived there. Anyways, long story short, apparently these guys got kicked out of school and they raised some money. Yeah, but it's more that the response to them is extreme online. We're seeing that. I don't know if you guys remember just how bad cancel culture was going back four years. We're starting to head back into that tone again where everything's going to be held to such an extreme standard where essentially people want to destroy you, destroy you.

1:46:55This is how old is she, 21? Probably not even. If they're in school. I tell you, man, listen. Look, I hate to say this. if phones were around when we were in the military, some of the stuff we did in the military would have been horrible. Some of the pranks we pulled were legendary pranks that we did, right? And so thank God there was no social media. But if there was social media, you have to manage expectation and teach kids don't behave this way. Don't act like a fool. Don't go do dumb things like this. Now, I'm sure parents probably had the conversation with them, but a part of it is on them.

1:47:30A part of it is on the backlash. You're living in a time where anything can be exaggerated. Anything can be exaggerated. Be aware of it. There's a school down the street in Boca or Boynton, American Heritage, not American Heritage. Am I saying it correctly, Tom? American Heritage is the school? It's one of the best schools in Florida. Average SAT score graduating class 1380, 1390, high in math, good education, good campus, for-profit school, good school. You know what the owner's son one time said on a video? The owner of the school's son, you know what he said? It was all over the news. He drops the N-word in a video.

1:48:08And not in a nice way. No, not in a nice way. Not quoting hip-hop.

1:48:15He was angry. You don't need to play this. I don't want to rehash this. This was about two years ago. I'm not. I'm just framing it. And by the way, we used to go to that school. We took our school kids out because there was a teacher that I was not a fan of and a principal of the middle school. I wrote a 3 ,400-word letter to her, never got a callback, anything. I'm like, we're taking all our kids out of this place. Probably cost them a few million dollars because they're$40 ,000,$50 ,000 a year at school. You have to pay attention and teach and show these kids. Parents, here's what I would do.

1:48:43Take this video, show it to all your kids. Hey, even though they're innocent, they're just being playful, don't do this because you're living in a different time. Here's what ring cameras are catching today. Just assume everywhere you go. I remember one time we were in a meeting. A man named Rich says to us, we're in insurance sales. This is 2003, 2004, 2005. He says, every time you give a presentation about investments, always assume a regulator is there recording the entire conversation. Don't use words like guarantee. Don't use these words. Understand you're being recorded. And this is 040506 that social media is not even there.

1:49:23Imagine now today. You're in meetings and people are running Fathom and recording the whole thing. Right? And they're not even asking now this. Just assume that's what's happening today. It would be nice if society had a little bit of a cultural shift back to the idea of a little bit of grace. I'm not saying what she did was a good look. I personally do think it was racist. I've taken that position. But I think that there's a danger in the piling on. You're not wrong. It can lead to all kinds of things. You're not wrong. My thing is, I wish we found, like, couldn't they prove that, like, there are ring cams and other things?

1:49:55Were you doing this? Like, because you have to just take people's words at this point. That looks horrible. Were they doing it to any other apartments, or did they just target this one? And I know. Even then, I don't believe in ruining someone's life. No, like, forever. Because, bro, you know what I don't want to happen? We're going to get back to that point where, like, you have the juicy smooly where, you know, I was. they had a noose around my neck, and they lie to promote that freaking nonsense. Then the Bubba, what's his name, Tommy? Bubba Wallace? Oh, there was a noose in my garage. And it wasn't.

1:50:26It was a loop that was on a pull-down for the garage, and there were other, it was like standard. No one put a noose into set a record. They used it. It wasn't that. It wasn't that. Which is a disgusting thing to do. Not at all. It was a simple thing hanging from the top of a garage door opener. It was the catch release. It wasn't that. But they used it. They jumped on it. Anything for the narrative. You know what it does? It feeds more and more and more into identity politics. I tell everyone. Everyone tries to play the game of identity politics. Even on the right, it's played lately. I don't like identity politics.

1:51:01To me, identity politics is fundamentally against God's message. You're literally looking at someone and saying, because of your skin color, your race, your sex, whatever it is, you're different. And there's a victim hierarchy that's built off of it. The left has been doing it for such a long time. I'm fundamentally against all identity politics. And yet when we see videos like this, it feeds it so much because on the opposite end of this, what this creates also is a bunch of white people who go, oh, my God, look at how strongly they're being punished. But you have people calling white people cracker.

1:51:31You have people doing all this. And there's no consequence. They're public. And so you get these more extreme sides. Let me give you the complete opposite side. Here's an athlete. OK, he's about to get into the NFL. I think he's accepted into going and playing for USC. All right? So think about multimillion-dollar contract. Good things are going to happen to him. And all of a sudden, he has consensual sex with a girl. Watch how this thing completely turns. Go for it. Now I'm 17, and instead of facing minor camp time or juvenile hall time, I was now facing 41 years to life in prison. They tacked on a kidnapping charge, which carries life in the state of California.

1:52:09and what was happening behind the scenes, what I would later find out, which the accuser admitted to on video, was that every time she would hear my side of the story, she would add more to her story because she didn't want to look like a liar because it was getting so deep on her end that she had to keep pushing the story. So while I was sitting in jail, I was in jail for one count of r*****. Next thing you know, it was two counts of r*****. Next thing you know, it was three counts of r*****. Next thing you know, it was three counts of r***** and sodomy. Next thing you know, it was three counts of r*****, sodomy and kidnapping now i'm facing 41 years to life these these charges just continue to stack up and i had no clue my mom had no clue we didn't know how this was happening until years later finding out how that all went down but now okay so let me let me read you what happens here 16 years old brian banks was one of the best high school linebackers in america usc offered him full-ride scholarship pete carroll personally called him one afternoon okay at school this guy that we're talking about, one afternoon school, he made out with a classmate, consensual.

1:53:07By the end of the day, he was in jail, charged with kidnapping and rape. He said he dragged her into the stairwell. She said this. It never happened. The DNA came back negative. His mother sold her house and her car to pay for a lawyer. Stay with this one, Vinny. He couldn't make bail. He spent a year behind bars for trial. His lawyer told him plead no contest or risk 41 years in prison. He was 17. He took the deal. He did five years in prison, Vinny. Then five more on parole. Registered sex offender. GPS monitor on his ankle. Couldn't go near schools or parks. No one hired him. Meanwhile, the girl and her mother sued the school district for not keeping her safe.

1:53:45They won$1.5 million. In 2011, a Facebook friend request popped on his screen. Let me say this again. In 2011, a Facebook friend request popped on his screen. It was her. She wanted to let bygones be bygones. Brian went to a private investigator. They hit cameras in the office and invited her to talk. She came by bus on tape. She admitted he never raped her. He never kidnapped her. Then she said she still wouldn't tell prosecutors the truth because she would have to give the money back. And by the way, 60 Minutes of the Story on this. In May 2012, a judge clears his name. The hearing took less than a minute.

1:54:32Ten years of his life. Gone in one lie. Erased in 60 seconds. A few days later, his phone rang. I'm looking for a linebacker. You know where I can find one? It was Pete Carroll. What? The same catch coach who recruited him ten years earlier. He finally signed with the NFL's Atlanta Falcons at 27. The dream he had at 16. She was ordered to pay the$2.6 million back. what should happen to this person who stole 10 years of your life with one lie. What a story. And the girl's like, we don't have the money. Story. Tell me that is not the craziest story. And staying in it and not giving up and staying to, and then, by the way, what inspired her, like something inside of her was like, I have to tell him and thank God that they were smart enough to understand and record it all.

1:55:16Is that the clip? Is that another clip you guys got up there? Is that it? Watch this one here. 26-year-old Brian Banks needed a moment for the news to sink in. The rape conviction that he was with for 10 years was overturned by a judge in a matter of minutes. Blasping his hands and shaking his emotions. A life ruined is a life ruined. This is the part. This is what Elon's talking about. Do you ruin this guy's 10 years? You know my opinion. I think that if you are proven to have falsely accused someone of rape, you should go to jail for the amount of time that they would have gone to jail for. I think it needs to be more than that.

1:55:51I think it needs to be even more painful. However, I agree. minimum is how long that you had them going to jail. If he's in there for, what was it, five, six years? She needs to go in for six years. No, it should be if he was supposed to serve a 15-year sentence. Have her do 15. Marcus Dixon, do you guys remember him? I remember Marcus Dixon. Yeah, of course. Oprah had him on her show back in the day, and he was accused of rape and battery as well. And then he was 18 at the time where he had consensual relations with a 15-year-old girl, and they got him on statutory rape when they couldn't try him for her because the whole story fell apart in court.

1:56:31And then they gave him a 10-year conviction, and then Oprah fought to have him freed, and it was overturned. Oh, man. But there's all types of crazy stories of false accusations. Yeah, I mean, this is where it gets nasty. I don't like stories like this because it's so easy. And, you know, in the military, they would tell you. It was one thing the sergeant said to us. He says, whatever you do, especially with military girls, he says, especially with military girls, never be in your barracks with one alone. Never. You're not going to win. They would tell you that over and over and over again. Never let any girl.

1:57:04So the barracks, second and third floor were all guys. First floor was the girls. Okay? So the girls would come up to the second floor, and they were not allowed to. They would tell you you can't come up. And when they're coming up, it's like, hey, here's what that person, here's what this person did. And these are things. Parents need to be involved in having these conversations, but even when you do, look what happened to you. It's some crazy stuff that's going on. Tom, any thoughts on the story from your end? Yeah, I have. You know, these boys need fathers, and the fathers that they need are the ones to encourage them to say, look, I hate to say it, but you've got to walk around with some paranoia.

1:57:40They, especially now with NIL, you have money as a 17-year-old stepping into college. NIL. There are 17-year-olds that are stepping in college freshmen. And you have NIL. Tom, all he did here is just make out with a girl. You can't. You just made out with a girl. Don't make out with a girl? Is that what you tell? You have to go with extreme caution. You have to go with ridiculous levels of caution. There's no 17-year-old who's going to have that degree of caution. It's an impossible standard. Unfortunately, it also hurts women tremendously. I have two points. My first point is you've got to just encourage your boys to be almost paranoid maniacs about what possibly could happen.

1:58:27But the second thing, I think she's got to do time. I think the false... Look, there have been false accusations that have resulted in horrifying things across our country. Look what the Duke... Speaking Speaking of Stephen Miller, look at what the Duke lacrosse players had to go through. Look what they had to go through. And it had ended that rightfully so before they ended up in jail, before they ended up doing time, that the district attorney got caught. Thank goodness, thank God that this happened that way. But she's got to do time. I'm going to play a devil's advocate, even though I previously and I am in agreement with all of this.

1:59:13The other end of it, which I've thought about, too, is, number one, I think these things hurt women like crazy because now real accusations are not taken as serious. But if you start saying there's a gray area where if you are now going to court for a potential criminal charge for an accusation of sexual assault or rape, so the girl makes the accusation, what's the standard of proof for malicious intent? And if you start making that a little bit gray, you could put women who believe they were, in fact, actually raped in prison because of that gray area where they're found to have made a false allegation.

1:59:48Well, I mean, it kind of happened with the Johnny Depp Amber Heard situation, right? Well, she was asked to pay for the money, not the other way around. For many years, you thought he was the one that was the abusive one. It was actually her. Yeah. But he is famous and he's got money. So he has access to good lawyers. So in this situation, you know, mom had to sell the house to get the money and be able to pay some of that off. So I want to go into another story before we wrap up. Steph Curry. Steph Curry's wife ends up starring in a movie where she makes out with another guy. A couple of the podcasters in the NBA space, Gilbert Arenas and Nick Young.

2:00:21Gilbert Arenas used to play for the Wizards. He's, I think, one time scored 63, 61 points. Nick Young was a Laker who played a couple different places. Here's what they said about Aisha Curry that got Steph Curry to respond, and I want to know what you guys think about it. Go ahead. He is the definition of what everybody sees as a father. He's up there. His kids is kids. Got the best kids. The only blemish in the family is the wife, in a sense. Yeah. Because she doesn't act like the other superstars' wives. Yeah. You know, Jordan's wife, Cookie, you know, that's Magic's wife, right? Savannah, right?

2:01:06Where we don't want to hear you. We just want to know you're there, you're fine. Like, you are taking the pictures, you know, doing... But we don't want to know you. There's something else that made the internet go crazy, too. Yeah, where she goes to DMs and stuff like that. You know what I mean? So remember, she goes to the DMs, you know, chat with dudes, you know, because she needs the attention. She needs the attention. Because he doesn't give her the attention because he's focused on it. I didn't know she was chatting in DMs. Yeah, it was something else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to pause it right there.

2:01:41So they're talking about Aisha Curry because one time she said, you know, I want to be flirted with. We go places. Because, you know, have you ever seen the clip of that one girl that flirts with Steph Curry at a game? You ever seen? No. Stop it. I swear. Are you joking? I don't care about the NBA. This thing got built. You guys got to find this. Steph Curry one time is going back. You've never seen this? I swear to you. Guys, I have to. Now I have. Now I have. Is his wife there? Respectfully. In front of his wife, they did? Oh, guys. Like, one time, Steph is going off the bench, okay? And he's going to the bench.

2:02:14And this girl, I, Steph Curry, in a way that I, oh, my goodness. Now that I brought it up, I have to show you this clip. because it was an insane, insane exchange. And the girl signals, and everybody said, man, I want my girl to look at me the way that girl looked at Steph Curry. We'll play that here in a minute, but let's isolate this. So she says, I don't get as much attention as he does. Girls always flirt with him, but guys don't flirt with me. She said this, I think, on the Jada Pinkett podcast. I don't know which one it was. It was maybe that one or one of those ones, yeah. So then she goes and stars in a movie.

2:02:45And in the movie, she kisses somebody. If you want to play the movie that she's in, Ayesha Curry. if you can type in movie, just go up and search and type in movie. Yeah, that's all you got to do. There you go. And that's the movie, okay, where Aisha Curry, romantic comedy on Roku channel. Okay, and we're promoting it. Go watch it for some of you guys that like it. She plays a dating expert who believes she is cursed in love until a reunion with her high school flame played by Matthew Daddario, makes her question her luck, and boom, they kiss. All right, here's what Steph Curry says to Gilbert Arenas and others.

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2:05:14Nick, Gil, Emmanuel, and anybody else who feels the need to want to have to jump in and give an opinion on something you don't really know about, something that kind of speaks to a bigger conversation on how you view women in this world and what they're allowed and what they're not allowed to do even the ignorance behind how acting works. Obviously, I tried to laugh this one off, but you know, something needs to be said and you know, anytime I Ayesha Curry shows up in your headline, I, you know, kindly suggest you just give the, you know, the happy hands, the congratulations and maybe just Maybe, you know, the apology can be as loud as, you know, y 'all leading y 'all shows with this topic.

2:06:09So appreciate the free pub. Thank you for giving a nice shout out to Second Chance Holiday, which y 'all can find on Roku starring Aisha Curry. That's pretty much it. How do you feel about his response? Very chill, very tempered. I mean, he's he's he seems very cool. And to get to the point that he's comfortable, he's OK. with having his wife be in a movie and kissing another guy. And guess what? That's your prerogative. But on the flip side of the coin, you can't get upset if your wife is allegedly in other people's DMs and doing that type of stuff, and then she's in a movie. Guess what? That's what podcasters are going to do.

2:06:49They're going to talk. That comes with the territory, okay? And I don't know how comfortable you guys are. I'm not married, but even the girl that I was dating, I wouldn't want anybody that I'm with, let alone my wife tonguing or kissing or whatever another guy, period. But if that's what you like, like meaning if you're fine with that, no, right, no, Elon, if you're cool with that and she's making her money and that's her life, fine, fine. I don't really agree with Gilbert Arenas. Like, hey, just be like every other's wife and just be there. I don't agree with that. You could still have your own dreams.

2:07:24You could have your own thing. But at the same token, don't get upset when people talk because that's the world. He's sitting on a podcast. When's the last time Gilbert Arena's played in freaking NBA? 15 years? 10 years? He's been out. 10 years. 10 years. But this is what, if he's happy with it, it's his prerogative. It is what it is. How do you process it? It's got to be very, very difficult to be married to a megastar. Just off the bat, especially when the megastar is a man and you know that they're getting hit on all the time and you're the wife. Tom gets that. You have no idea? Tom, I've seen outside.

2:07:55When we walk out of this room, girls are throwing themselves. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. Go ahead, Eli. Go ahead. They're jumping over the fence. Those were elderly women, and they actually tripped. They're on a tour. They're on a tour. They had canes. Their teeth fall out, and they basically go ahead. I'm sorry. I've had intimate scenes in movies. They're not as intimate as people believe. They're not romantic. They're very technical. And so I'd be a hypocrite if I said, oh, no one should do that. But I would have a problem with it if it was my wife. By the way, this is the picture I was talking about.

2:08:30Watch this one here. So this is a girl named, I believe, Ronnie Rose, who when Steph Curry was going to the bench, you have to see the whole clip. I'm not sending the whole clip. So she gives the look to Steph, and everybody loses it. Apparently she's like a social media influencer. Her name is Ronnie Rose. She responded to it. She says, I was just drinking my drink, and this happened. I'm just giving the boys a little bit of motivation, I guess. Go Warriors, right? So there's another one as well. Do you have the other one? There's a couple of them. Now, Steph Curry's there. Here's another one that's pretty funny.

2:09:03Watch this. You have the audio? She's looking at her husband. Yeah. I feel worse for the husband. Wait more. Wait more. Wait more. Look at that. The lip bite. The lip bite. So, look. I mean, it's Steph Curry, four-time champion. You never have four in the world to win. I thought his response was actually very incredibly loud. Amazing. Amazing. But I want to ask him. He was angry, but you stand up for your wife, and he did it right. So, okay, not married, but would you, Pat, would you or Tom let your wife be an actress, not be an actress, but be in a scene with a dude, and by the way, they've been married for a very long time.

2:09:42How long have they been married? 15 years. 15 years. They've been married for a long time. Tom, would you guys be comfortable if your wives were like, I want to be an actress, and I got this role in this love movie called, what is it called? Whatever. Christmas Kissings. Whatever. Are you cool with it? There are actors and actresses of faith that are out there, not just Christian, but it's prevalent Christian actors, that will not do a kissing scene. They will not do a love scene. They don't do a kissing scene. They don't take those movies. Neil MacDonald is one of them. There you go. Right there.

2:10:11Data hurt his career. They're very, very. And Kirk Cameron is another one. Yeah. Will not take those roles. Heard his career, too. Yep. And, you know, and Seth Curry, he did it in a very nice way. I thought it was a very nice way to do it because you got to be careful with Gil Arenas. Gil Arenas may bring a gun to come talk to you. Just ask Javaris Crittenden. Remember, he put four guns on his chair in the locker room with a note that said, pick one. And one of them was a bright gold. I think it was the Desert Eagle. It was a serious gun. And then Javaris pulls out his own gun. And then everybody ran from the locker room.

2:10:46It's pretty funny. But just remember, that's Gil Arenas. And you don't want to piss off Gil. because he'll come pop a cap in your ass. Look, it's not for... Can you run the poll? Can you run the poll? Would you be okay with your wife starring in a movie and kissing a man in a movie? Just run a poll. Let's see what our audience today is a little bit pissed off, man. They're kind of like, listen, they've got high expectations. Let's see what they say. No, I used to date a girl who was in the entertainment space and we were together for a couple of years and we'd go to premieres and she'd be in movies.

2:11:17and she was in a movie called, anyways, I don't want to say the movie because I'm going to get weird DMs. But you know the movie. Catholic Girls in Trouble?

2:11:319.5 on 10 today. You are so funny. Oh my God, you are so funny. Sorry. But you imagine. Catholic Girls in Trouble. By the way, somebody's actually Googling that movie and saying, let me see. It's probably real. I made it up. No, no. It's probably real, Tom. You didn't make that up. You say you made it up. It's probably. But I'm going to tell you something. You know what it was when the conversation was had is it's just not something I would do. Yeah. It's not for me. It's not for me. I have no interest in that. And you could be the most famous actress in the world for me to be with you and have to.

2:12:04I can't. And have the kids. But, you know, for some people, it's okay. It's fine. It is all the business of the husband and the wife. Yes. It's all, if the husband and the wife are good, go for it. If they're not good, it is what it is. Can I ask Vinny a question? If you got a movie co-starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, but you're married and you have to make out with a girl. Vinny would have no problem with that. The better question is the following. No, no. Now reverse it. No, I'm going to ask the question a different way. You're in a movie with Leonardo DiCaprio, but it's Brokeback Mountain 2.

2:12:37Would you kiss Leo for$6.2 million? Wow. Honestly. Pre-tax after tax. pre-tax no i'm not kissing no agent no vinnie for sure kissing him like you're kissing leo that absolutely 100 i'm kissing leo you you know me no one million percent tonguing down guys one million percent close up get in there no way i don't give a shit sorry no way and i'm paying back mountain hell no i'm the all-in mountain two and you and leo it's 6.2 million dollars. Or Brad Pitt. You get this. Sorry. Are you nuts? You know what's the chances of me doing something like that? It's slim to none to do something like that. But again, it's for everybody.

2:13:20What I'm trying to say, it's you. People that are in the entertainment space, when I was in and I was living a different life, it's like, dude, who cares? What's the big deal? And then eventually you've got to make that decision for yourself. Anyways, all right. By the way, I thought today was Monday. Today is Friday. I know. It's weird. I don't know why I feel like it's a Monday. Me too. That's good. That's perfect for you. It's Friday. There's a lot of news heading into the weekend. It's a lot of news on Friday. But for those of you guys that are watching, gang, again, go to FLB.com. For those of you guys that are able to reason, you have your opinion, but you're optimistic about the future, represent the gear.

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