NVIDIA’s CEO China Spy Scandal & Liberal Hosts Mock Charlie Kirk’s Death | PBD Podcast #887

0:00Did you ever think you would make it? I said I'm so excited to take sweet victory. I know this life meant for me. Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed. It's right here. You are a one-on-one? I don't think I've ever said this before.

0:25Alright, look, just some words of wisdom. Whatever you're doing this week. You know, do your best, whatever you're doing this week on words of wisdom for you guys as you're going through a life. Try to avoid Chinese spies getting a hold of them. Like, I'm just telling you. You know, maybe if you're like the top 10 most important person in America that does business with China, maybe we should provide a little bit more protection than the$10.7 million that NVIDIA spends on security on Jensen Huang to say, why do you keep having dinner with this girl named Alice Wong? Similar last name, no big deal, but why are you guys always together?

1:05Aren't you married 40 years? Why are you doing this? And by the way, you know, Tiger Woods, if you ever watch a documentary, there's a story about this one girl who was a bartender. She says, I don't know why Tiger liked me. He used to always come to me and he would say, after I have dinner, we'd go in his car. Do you know this story? No. He talks about it in the documentary. All right, Jensen, maybe a bartender. Maybe a waitress. A Chinese spy, buddy. So when it's a Chinese spy, guess what investors have? You know what's the big question? Here's the big question. Is one, man has a tendency of falling.

1:39Two, the enemy has a way of doing the same exact way of getting you to fall, which is get a spy to get in there, get information, get that information and flatter you and tell you how amazing you are. And, oh, my God, you're so smart. You're so beautiful, Tom. You're so sexy. Oh, Tommy. You know, this is such a – you're such a – If only I was with you. They say I'm smart. They never say the beautiful, sexy thing. I would do anything for you in the morning, and I don't know, man. I just have no idea what happened there. You know what happens if they get a divorce? It's a$200 billion divorce, the biggest divorce in the history of mankind.

2:08She won the lottery. No turning up. She gets$100 billion, and you may want to slide in her DM. I'm trying to tell you, like, that may be something for you. Vinny overnight is worth$50 billion, walks around like one of the greatest business minds in the world. That's going to be one of the stories we're going to talk about today. I think it's fair to say we have to do that, okay? Okay, number two, the other story we have to talk about is Trump's 60 Minutes. I didn't just watch the 25-minute interview. I actually watched the entire 57 minutes or whatever it is. They have it on CBS because, you know, after the lawsuit, he's like, hey, don't cut it.

2:36Put the whole thing. Let people see it. I really like the guy that did the interview. Ross is a Dutat or Duthat, whatever the guy's name is. He did a phenomenal job. I thought it was a fair interview. He pushed back, and Trump was a different Trump. And there's five things we got to cover from the interview on 60 Minutes. Jennifer Welch from the podcast called I've Had It. and after her podcast of laughing at Charlie, you know who's had it? The sponsors have had it. And they said, we're done. Do you know out of 22 sponsors that they had generating$2.5 million a year, that's real money for some people.

3:10$2.5 million a year income that they're making. Guess what? 19 out of 25 canceled. And you know what Vinny did? Vinny emailed everybody, and Vinny got an email back. I'll let him show you what the email was. And he says, hey, why are you taking a sponsor like this? At the same time, Jason is at Calacanus. I have a hard time with his last name, Tom, from All In Podcast. Calcanus. Calcanus. He got upset of what Scott Galloway said, and he says, what the hell are you doing, right? He told a story that before he sold his Tesla, I'm even uncomfortable telling you what he said. He said, I went and took a poop in the Tesla, cleaned it, then sold it just to show my distaste for Elon.

3:52I don't know who thinks like that. You're a reasonable guy. Why would you say something like that? You have a shot at being one of those unifiers to bring common sense. And I've had him on the podcast. Disappointing comment to make. Dave Chappelle. Video goes viral. Showing a clip of him talking about Charlie Kirk getting killed. And then he says, I don't know why, but I feel good about it. And then it was like, well, what's wrong with that? Charlie said this. That person said this. That's not even a joke. I don't like it. Screw him. He lost a permanent fan. I'm out of here. He hasn't written a good joke for 10 years.

4:26We have to talk about Dave Chappelle because there's some real important things there to discuss. Next one is Susie Wiles, replaced by Stephen Miller. While this happens, Stephen Miller gives a speech. Vinny's got the clip to show us. While she gets replaced by Stephen Miller, a guy named Kaylee, Callie Means, goes on Joe Rogan, does a podcast. this is a senior advisor to RFK. This is not a lightweight guy. He goes on Rogan, and you know what he says? He says the amount of power Susie Wiles had and what she did and her six generals that worked with her and how when her daughter got a job at this one place, revenue went up to$30 million, and it was a money deal, and it was swamp, and out of everybody, he said that, you know, he kind of exposed what was going on there.

5:17Now, again, this is a podcast. We don't know 100 % facts. He's telling his version of the story. There's a couple things that happened in the podcast, how he mentioned Trump. And number two, when Todd Blanche was asked about this, I'm going to let Tom tell you how Todd Blanche handled that situation. We'll get into that. I'm going to tell you about one person that quietly has seen the light, the opening, and he's capitalizing like there's no tomorrow. He officially sees the future looks bright for him. You know who that is? Ron DeSantis. And he keeps hitting everybody. Boom. First he hits Ted Cruz.

5:52Boom. He just hit Ron DeSantis. Boom. You know who he just hit recently? Boom. He just hit, what do you call it? He hit Trump, and he hit everybody in the Republican Party with crony capitalism. He says, listen, to all the crony capitalists on the Republican side, boom, he hit them. All of those messages, Ron hasn't made a lot of friends the last week. Oh, he hasn't. But you know what he has made? A lot of sense. Yes. In the last week. And so a lot of people are saying, is this the guy that's going to go in on the 60 Minutes? The guy asked a very good question of Trump, and he said, hey, who do you think being president, all this other stuff, is it going to be J.D., Rubio, all these things?

6:32He said, I may not even endorse somebody. And a lot of people are talking about a Rubio DeSantis ticket. I don't even think that's possible because they're both from Florida. So as much as it sounds good, I'm not even sure that's possible. But there's some things to get in there. And then Press Secretary Dana White. Trump says, hey, I'm thinking about making him the press secretary, and I swear to God, you say something, Khabib's going to come and destroy you, and I'm going to have this other guy on you. And the market loses their shit that if this guy could pull this off or not. And then the infighting on the Democratic Party, there's a ton of infighting on the Republican Party.

7:03That's an understatement of the infighting going on right now in the Republican Party. I've got to make sure to give that Gen Z story of what happened to Gen Z, the numbers, how they lost it to everybody, the Axios story. Can you text me the page on that? I marked it up, but just send it to me. I have it here. And so we have to talk about that. And then Poland shooter that they're saying a far right guy in Poland went out and killed people, innocent people. And this Poland shooter apparently has a pride flag over him. What a far right guy this guy. He's got an LGBTQ flag all over him, protecting himself while he's going out there doing this stuff.

7:38We have to talk about that. And last but not least, if you're in HR, if you're a CEO, COO, a CXO, whatever C you are, if you all of a sudden notice a pattern of people asking on PTO for November 19th, and you're wondering what the hell is going on with November 19th? Isn't that Juneteenth? Why are people taking November 19th off? Well, November 19th is a massive epidemic going on that a lot of people don't want you to know about, but I'm helping you out right now. So maybe send an email to your staff today that if you say, if you take your November 19th off, I know why you're doing it. But if you want to be cool, let them take it off and tell them in advance if you're doing it.

8:18Hey, just tell me, be honest with me, because on November 19th, you know what game is coming out on November 19th? What? What game is coming out on? Not Tetris, not Street Fighter, not Zelda, not Final Fantasy, not Fester's Quest. Mario's Supercard. What game do you think is coming out on November 19th? Tell us what's coming out. Grand Theft Auto. On November 19th, you're going to have millions of people taking PTO that day. I don't know. I may just sit in my office and play Grand Theft Auto all day and just bring all my employees a guy. Let's compete against each other and not have to get the PTO and all that stuff taking place.

8:51Anyways, with that being said, this is a heavy-duty Monday with stories that we've got to get into, which we will. But before we get into that, you know how we feel about it. You know, it's funny. Yesterday I'm at a soccer tournament in Tampa. Friday, Saturday, we had an event we host called CXO, which we bring a CEO with his executive team. It was the greatest CXO meeting we ever had. And all we talk about is how to increase valuation of your company, how to develop a moat, how to create a compensation plan that gets people to retention to be higher, calibration. Anyways, the event ends. Last week was a busy event.

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11:33He's one of the biggest heavyweights. A lot of the surge you see in AI is because of this guy, the chips that he built. He's involved in pretty much everything. He's known for that black leather jacket that he wears going everywhere. And apparently that black leather jacket worked, not just with his wife, but with a Chinese spy that came in named Alice Huang, who was working with another company, going out there doing business deals, and all of a sudden you see pictures of them having glasses of wine together, all this stuff, and then the affair becomes public, and then he admits to it. And once he admits to it, he apologizes for being unfaithful to his wife, his family, his kids, his employees, everybody that he's working with.

12:14And so now everybody starts talking about, wait a minute, how long has this been known? Have they known this for a while? Allegedly, the DOJ knew about this a year ago. Allegedly, this was reported to them that this relationship, this affair is taking place. Now, keep this in mind. This is one of the hottest stocks that people have been putting money into, that they've made a lot of money. I think we said five years ago, if you would have put a million dollars into NVIDIA, it would have been a$1.5 billion rate of return for you. $1.5 billion from a million dollars. I believe that was the number that we talked about.

12:45So you're not just talking about how many people's lives change. So now you're conflicted as an investor. Do you want them to step down as the CEO? Do you want to bring somebody else? And they're saying maybe Ives is going to take place. Then they want to know this relationship, this girl Alice. Was she married? Was she in a relationship? His wife, whom they've been together for 40 years. I think they've got two kids. They're both working at NVIDIA. And they met at, I think, Oregon State. They've given a lot of money to Oregon State. She runs the charity. There is no prenup. This will be the biggest divorce in the history of America if it ends up taking place.

13:16$200 billion. Overnight, she becomes a top 20, top 15 richest woman in the world with a lot of power. And so it was all over the news. Everybody is saying, what happened? And if China can target a CEO and a founder like him, what other places are they getting targeting for? So, Tom, when you saw this story, one, were you surprised? Two, what was your reaction when he said, you know, when he came out and he admitted that this took place? So, first of all, you know, all of a sudden, Jensen Wang is playing Grand Theft Country. and with it being the unwitting, he's being the unwitting player, right, in the game.

13:55So the first thing I thought about it was, wait a minute. I didn't go to another guy slipped and fell or anything like that. I didn't because China's had spies out there. They still have spies out there. The honeypot is an easy trap. And that happens so much, number one. Number two, there's so much, you know, dalliance that goes on with executives, with girlfriends and mistresses. That doesn't surprise me. What I looked into deeper and I'm like, wait a minute. I went down to the last minute approvals for certain chips that shipped. I went to an investigative reporter that said there were some 200 series chips and I'm going to mess up the help me help me with the model number of that.

14:42There is a 200 series chip that supposedly went to a company that had no address. So it's like, where did those go? And you suddenly had H200s, a data center CPU. And then you had, you remember that like, we're not selling any chips, we're not selling any chips. And then Jensen met with the president and some other people. And then we decided we would send them lower power chips, but we wouldn't give them the super duper chips. Do you remember that, Pat? And I'm sitting there going, wait a minute. Did he get – was he compromised and he had to do that? Because remember, he personally went to the White House.

15:19He was trying to do it. So not surprised at the affair that happens with executives. Not surprised that China is using a spy. But when I looked at all the things that have been happening while this affair was going on, it suddenly made me nervous. Oh, my gosh. Is there going to be an investigation of this guy? And do we have some deeper problems? That's what I was thinking. And then, why can't Sweden be the most powerful country in the world? Because, and then send the Swedish swimsuit models over. You're disappointed because of the quality of the spy, Tom? That's what upsets you this morning out of all the stories that we have?

15:54My point is, can you imagine the problems there would be? Respectfully, respectfully, respectfully, Tom. Can you go to her picture real quick? Can you go to Alice Wong's picture? Why would you do that? He pulled up Jensen Wong's wife's picture. Go to Alice Wong's. Okay, what do you give her? Zero to ten. Well, she's an attractive woman. How old is he? I don't know how old she is, but what do you give her? What's the score? She's okay. If she's 40s in her 50s, whatever. Eight, seven, seven and a half, Tom? I want to know what Tom thinks. I give her a rate and a half. Eight and a half. Okay. I don't know what Tom is.

16:25Rate and a half. We're going rate and a half today. So that was a better joke. But I guess the question is the following. Do you think the president, they're saying the DOJ knew a year ago. do you think Trump brought it up to him one-on-one when they talked to each other what do you think I'll come to you line do you think he brought it up to him I think it's unlikely that he brought it up to him unlikely that I don't think he brought it up to him I think look if they were monitoring the situation this whole concept poses an interesting question which is like the new cold war is being fought not militarily but with targeting the heads of these massive companies that are the future of innovation.

17:06So there's this weird national security risk that didn't exist before because honeypotting has been around forever. But, yeah, it's hard for me to believe that Trump would go tell him, look, you got to cut it out. So here's what some people are saying, and I have to read this because it's important for us to follow this. So a lot of people are saying, who won more from this relationship? Did Jensen win more or did Trump win more? Now, Jensen Huang put$25 million into the ballroom. Number two, the sales, the chip sales that they made to China, Do you know what percentage went to the taxpayers, to the U.S.

17:38government? 15 % cut of NVIDIA's China sales went there. So Trump originally demanded 20%. Jensen-Wang negotiated down to 15%. Trump also negotiated 25 % deal of NVIDIA that they could sell the H200 chips that they were talking about. And then obviously, you know, he is, I don't know if you saw what Trump said about Jensen when they asked him about it. Do you have that clip to play? There was a question about, you know, what do you think about what's going on here? Here's what the president had to say about it. Go for it. NVIDIA is investigating Jensen Huang's relationship with a Chinese spy. Have you spoken to Jensen Huang today?

18:12I have not spoken to him about it. I just know he's a fine person, but you never know what is going on. I'm sure, I hope everything's fine. He's done such an incredible job. And so I would certainly hope he's a fine person, in my opinion. In hindsight, do you wish that you had acted on the intelligence when you were briefed about the spy line? No, I don't think so. I think he's an honorable guy. I think he probably has an excuse for it. You have to hear it. No, you can't do that with people. He's done an amazing job for our country. You know how you solve this whole thing? Don't commit adultery.

18:51Can somebody put out an email or something? If you're a rich billionaire or a politician and some Chinese girl is all up on you, that should be a huge flag. And actually a huge red flag. A huge Chinese communist red flag and your horny faces. First with Eric Swalwell. No, seriously, Tom. Fang Fang. Now it's Wang Wang. It's like how many times? And by the way, this is again on the bigger China issue. We kind of joke around about it. Wang Bang Wang. Yeah, exactly. How many guys from them spying and doing this To the balloons that were flying over the country To buy and let happen To buying farmland next to our military bases COVID How many times Pat And then these people come to our country And when they went to San Francisco Newsom took all of American flags out Put all Chinese communist flags Worshiped freaking Xi Jinping He still comes to the White House And I get it Pat I get it But you know what We're supposed to pretend that they're not our enemy And you know what I'm pissed off about When are we going to start sending our Are we sending our, like, get some Karen Karens or some Susan Susans, send their asses over there.

19:50Are we spying on them? It's always them doing it here. Are we doing it to them? I'm tired of them. I brought this up a couple weeks ago, and I wonder if we're doing that or not. I hope so. But here's the thing. Let's stay on that topic. So Anthony asked me a question this morning. You never know what Anthony's going to ask me. That guy asked me the weirdest questions. I'm never ready for it. So he asked me, so, you know, how do you handle this as somebody that, you know, you go and you see a high-profile person like this getting caught by a Chinese spy? What do you do? I said many years ago, I read a book by Billy Graham, and Billy Graham said when in the 70s and 80s, pastors were getting caught with members of the church, girls.

20:24What was that one pastor, Jimmy? Jimmy Swagger, but he turned out to not be a real pastor, but it was a poster child for just getting caught up in this. Pastors were getting caught with girls and wives of members of the church. This still happens. For sure it does. But let me tell you, so Billy sat there, and he was married to his wife, Ruth. And he says, we got to come up with a strategy. Because one time, he tells the story about being in the hotel when a girl runs in. It's just him and her. It's like, whoa. I don't know where I read this. But anyway, somebody can fact check it. And then they made a decision to no longer travel in twos.

21:00They traveled in threes. Smart. And because if you travel in two, me and Elon can go somewhere. I'll say, Elon, no one's going to know. Let's just go have a good time tonight with these three girls. Okay? Right? But if we have Tom with us, Tom will say, no, let's go with four girls. If Tom's with us. Because that's how you roll, biz, dad. One of us is going to be like, guys, this is a bad idea. We're all married. Someone's going to make that comment. You know? Yeah. It increases the chances. It increases the chances of not doing something dumb. That's the part. It increases the chance of not doing something dumb.

21:32That's why Tom and I have shared rooms together so many times. I don't know how many nights it is at this point. 50, 75 nights. Maury and I have shared rooms. so many times. And unfortunately, we've also shared rooms with another guy named Amur. But we've shared rooms with a lot of friends of ours over the years. And you see that's the protection. But this is the question here, Vinny. Tom, here's a question for you. An incident happened with UFC and Dana White a couple years ago on New Year's Eve. The fight between him and his wife. Everybody came out saying, fire Dana, fire Dana, fire Dana. I don't know if you have that clip.

22:02Are you talking about the smack? Oh, yeah, yeah. The smack. Well, he hit her first. She hit him first. Yeah. And then he reacted. right? And he came up and he says, you know, what do you want me to do? You want me to, I'm not talking about this clip, the interview. I want to see what he says is what I want to, specifically the interview. So he comes out and says, what do you want to do? You want to replace me with who? Who are you going to replace me with? Go ahead. Find a person to replace me with. Who's it going to be? But now that's an argument between a husband and wife. And he said something.

22:30He says, look, if you know me, if you know my wife, you know how we are. We've been together for 30 something here is high school sweethearts he's kind of explaining the story but in this case this scandal is with a Chinese spy do you I want you to think if you had 50 million dollars of stock in NVIDIA real money and this thing went from 3.8 million to 50 million dollars and your net worth is 60 million dollars which means what 50 million of it you made because of Jensen Huang driving in NVIDIA. Do you as a shareholder want Jensen Wong to step down? Do you as a shareholder think selfishly? Me, yes.

23:09You do. Look, there's the moral implications and there's the business implications. Ethically, 100 % I want it to step down. Who are they going to replace him with? What is the impact going to be on the stock price? They're saying Ives. Ives is the name that's coming up. Pre-market is saying minus 7.26%. Pre-market that it's, by the way, it's minus 12 right now. Minus 12%. My minus 6.53 % dropped right now. So how much is that? 6.53 %? $12 a share. $12, yeah. It's like, what are we talking about? I would say step down, Pat. And I mean, the sooner, the better. The longer it stays, the longer people are like, bro, what are you doing?

23:45Not just an affair. A spy. That's the problem. There's a national security. That's what I'm asking, Tom. Should he step down, you own$50 million in NVIDIA shares. 80 % of your net worth is tied to NVIDIA shares. You know this is the guy that took the company from zero to a couple trillion dollars. Do you encourage him stepping down? If he helped any of those illicit chips get into China, unwittingly or wittingly, if those chips got into China with some of those deals, and the one I'm seeing about is H200 chips were sold to a company that had an empty office at this address because there was an auditor that went there.

24:25If that turns out that those went into the wrong side of China, you're done. If it was just she was trying to get chip information and doing things like this, then maybe you stay. The only way he stays is if he is if he comes out and it's proven that she wanted to get all this information and he didn't give it to her and they had an affair. But I think the odds of that are low. But don't you question his judgment, his character as a person to let something like that happen? There's two different aspects there. You can question Dana White's character as a person when you see that video. But it's really, yeah, but the question is, again, it's what Tom touched on is how much damage was actually done.

25:07And until you have an actual measurement of that damage, like are his fingerprints on that deal that ended up getting the damage? He may have no choice. What if the DOJ opens the series and says, bad chips got into the central China? then it's not whether he stays with the company, it's whether he's indicted or not. I think, guys, he's out. I think so. He's out. And to me, it's got less to do with the affair. It's got more to do with who it is. Yep. And don't get me wrong. We're not sitting here endorsing, promoting, defending, any of that stuff. The company, they have to make the decision for themselves on what happens there.

25:41You know, whether you want to call impeachment over Monica Lewinsky type of thing. But now imagine if Monica Lewinsky was a spy taking information and selling it to China. that's a different kind of impeachment. You want that person to be gone versus, yeah, it's Monica Lewinsky, but look who Bill was married to. Bill was married to Hillary Clinton. A lot of people said that, right? That was my dimension. That's why they call Bill Clinton the first black president. You ever heard when people make that claim? So to me, I think the idea of being a Chinese, by the way, you know how much money they lost in valuation, roughly?

26:13Market cap,$300 billion, give or take. $300 billion of wealth was lost because of what happened. Let me tell you what I would do a little bit deeper. You know what audit I would do, Vinay? If we're in the U.S. government, I would be telling my guys, and I'm sure they're already doing this anyways, make a list of all major companies that China is doing business with or they want to do business with and audit to see what spies we have there, whether it's AI companies, semiconductors, defense contractors, White House officials, universities, Congress, SpaceX, Big Tech, everybody. You know how the same way there's a massive paranoia with Israel and AIPAC?

26:49massive paranoia with Israel and AIPAC. The reality of it is they want the information for what? What do they want the information for? It's not like they want the information for, you know, they want the information for control so Israel stays as a country. They have the right. You know what China wants the information for? China wants U.S. to fall, and China wants to be the most dominant country in the world with their ideology imposed to the world. China is not waking up in the morning saying, well, let's go phenomenal allies. Let's make it bigger. So you have to be very, very careful. I'm willing to bet the amount of Chinese spies they have in university presidents.

27:26Think about the influence they have in content that's being taught to kids. 100%. Think about how they're brainwashing kids, the influence they have over there. So this isn't just the beginning. I want to know more, how wide this is. I'll give you the final thoughts on this and we'll go to the next story. Yeah, it even goes into Hollywood. Just speaking from experience, I started noticing that a lot of heavy investors into films like when I was in that space started coming out of China. There was that whole program of getting students over here who are Chinese so that you could get them eventually to have citizenship and vote and all this stuff.

27:56It's a very smart, strategic move on their end. The game they're playing, they're playing a long game. And it's slow enough and it's low-key enough that you don't notice it until these stories come out. And then you kind of forget about this story and move on to the next. So it's an effective strategy that they're using. I think they're going to find a way to protect them, but I think he's going to be stepping away. I think he'll be hired as a consultant or somebody on the board to be able to give feedback, but they need to go find a new CEO. And I don't think they can get rid of him that easily.

28:23To replace a guy like that's not going to be that easy because of all the relations. Because he's a very good biz dev guy. Absolutely. You have to realize you don't get to where you're at. He's a multi. A lot of these techies are not biz dev guys. He's not quirky. Like if you watch the way he speaks, it's very, very rare to get a brilliant guy like that that's also good with people. Yeah. Typically, the guys that are very brilliant are a little bit awkward. Like Mark Zuckerberg. With the technology. He's a pro. Mark Zuckerberg. They're not the most likeable. Doing Brazilian jiu-jitsu would be more likable.

28:53Yeah, so let's go to the next one. President does a 60-minute interview, okay, with CBS. When he sits down with them, there was a lot covered. I watched the whole thing. Tom and I watched it. I don't know if you guys have gone through it yet or not. But it was phenomenal. The interview was done by Ross Dutat. And there's a few things covered. Here's five things that were the main things from the 60-minute interview on this WSJ story. His immigration policies, he said, maybe I may have gone too far. He said, I let in 25, you know, Biden let in 25 million overnight, clean, pa-pa-pa. But maybe some of these people that we send that could have jobs, that we could do something with them, and, you know, we could have certain things that we can do, you know, maybe we could do something there.

29:29And he said that. And he said, I think I can work with the Democrats on this. Number two, he might not endorse a successor when I asked, hey, would you, and says, maybe I don't endorse anybody. Who knows? Maybe I do, maybe I don't. Then the other one was ruling out ever forgiving his political enemies. It was a very interesting clip about, hey, would you ever forgive Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, James Comey? And the answer he gave was like, you're at a certain age. He says, I've never met anybody that's lived this glorified of a life like you have. You've lived an amazing life. Don't you think it's something where you ought to forgive them, especially since you're getting closer?

30:06And he says, you know what? It's very easy for me to give an answer and just say yes. I love that. But I can't. I can't. No, I hate these guys. These are my enemies that made my life a living hell. No, I can't do that. You want me to lie to you? I'm telling you the truth. And then four, reject allegations of self-dealing, passed on the rising his net worth and his family's co-ownership of crypto company World Liberty Financial. Trump said, I devote almost no time to my net worth. I don't care. My sons run the company. And last but not least, plays down concerns about AI. I don't mind guardrails, but I don't want to put it in deep second position.

30:39He talked about AI, super intelligence. China has no guardrails. He said his administration. And the guy asked him a question about what do you think happens to you when you die? And it was so funny. He said, what do you think happens to you when you die? He says, well, I hope I'm missed. He says, no, no, that's not what I'm asking you. He said, no, no, I just hope people miss me when I die, like I'm missed. He says, no. Oh, you're talking afterlife. Yeah. He says, well, I'm a religious man. he says you know I go to heaven he says you think you're going to go to heaven he says I don't know I don't know he says I think I'm going to go to heaven and that's when he asks him well if you're a religious man and you think you're going to go to heaven would you forgive these people and that's when he's like very quickly became a non-religious man Tom what do you think about the interview Carhartt's holiday gift guides were built in collaboration with the greatest gift giver of all time Santa Claus himself Old Saint Nick counts on Carhartt's durable gear to have its back through rain, sleep, and snow on the biggest night of the year.

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32:22I was an Avenger, but I'm not a hero anymore. It's like I'm losing my... The Vision returns for the final chapter of the groundbreaking trilogy. That family wasn't real. You sure about that? I had a father called Vision. How is this possible? Why am I losing? Don't miss the two-episode premiere of Marvel Television's Vision Quest. Nothing bonds a family together quite like Mortal Jeopardy. Now streaming only on Disney+. I thought the interview, I thought it was balanced. and I was pleased to see that he had a measured approach. He was not the pugilist in the interview. I think he's resolved. I saw resolve in his eyes.

33:05I didn't see defeat. I saw that he's resolved. There's some things to do here and he has a 90-day agenda coming up and that's it. And then he's going to be a lame duck and they're going to do everything they can just to stall everything. Anything they want to do, he's going to veto it and they don't have enough to override the veto. So get ready for two years of stuck in the mud. But as for him, I see resolve. I think there's, again, that follow-up agenda. But there is something else that I saw there, and it's I think he really has this sense of, you know, he wants to win. And I think wanting to win came out because politically there will be no more wins.

33:46He's not going to be elected again. There's no other elections. The winning and losing and measurements on elections is done. but when he talked about AI you could see a little glint I don't know if you saw it Pat he's like I'm not here to have a deep second position to China and I think you saw a guy where it doesn't matter how you feel Democrat Republican he loves America and he wants to win and I kind of saw a little bit of that and I was happy to see it yeah this reminded me of the Trump that isn't right or left it was a very human interview which I liked a lot and I Parts, clubs. What's that?

34:22Go, go, go. Please go. No, and it was very humanizing. I think that's a nice aspect of Trump. It makes you realize for all the accusations and all the talk and all the extreme stuff we hear, that there's this guy under there who I really do believe wants what's best for America. The AI issue is such a prominent issue. It's a tough issue. It's a double-sided issue because you have to deal with the idea that China could be ahead of us, which is an endgame, or that we just advance so quick without guardrails, and that's an endgame too. and this kind of touched on that nature of the difficulty of the things I wish there were more interviews like this in politics in general.

34:57That's what I actually would. Yeah, but you know what is crazy though? Think about if you're president say you become president, Tom you're president, Vinny, okay? Tom, you're president, okay? And comment sections will stay there. Let's just say you're the president I'm just telling you. You always say that Let's say you're the president. Here's a question for you Would you be this available to press as he is don't just say yes actually think about what i'm asking you no i wouldn't if you were the president would you say yes to this many interviews absolutely not considering 90 of them hate you and because of them they've ruined you tom well i mean go back and take a look at the accessibility of obama go back and look at the accessibility i'm asking specifically about you.

35:44No, no, no. I'm saying if I was president, I would look back at accessibility and what does that do to me, and I would look for examples. And I probably wouldn't be nearly as accessible as Trump because a lot of headaches came from it, but I respect that he did it. I'm asking a simple question, Tom. Would you be as accessible as he is? No, I just gave you an answer. I wanted a shorter version. So then that's a follow-up question to you. Here's a follow-up question to you. The fact that he is disaccessible How do you feel about this man that's this accessible? Everybody beats him up, but he never turns out in an interview.

36:20What does that say about the man's character? I respect it. Well, it also says that he's willing to get in the ring. He believes in what he's saying. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gone through. But the day he was shot in the ear, he was right back at it. I guarantee you the day this guy is done with or he dies or he's gone, he's no longer with us, which, God willing, that day comes a long time because I want him to live a long time afterwards to spend time with his grandkids. I want that for everybody. But God willing, when that day comes, when that day comes, you know what media is going to realize deep down inside?

36:54They're going to realize how much they miss how available he was to talk to everybody and never turn down a conversation. Because I honestly don't think there's a single soul. I want you to think about any personality and profile who would be this accessible I don't think there's anybody that would be this accessible go talk about every one of them is Jamie Dimon this accessible is Bob Iger this accessible he never talks to anybody tell me what executive go tell me what executive is as accessible as he is what executive as accessible there's never been someone as targeted by the press as he is so on top of being accessible He's going into enemy territory from any objective standpoint.

37:40They're constantly trying to find clips to ruin him. Which I could understand why. Like when he says, Pat, because I saw multiple clips, and I want to get into an AI one as well. When he said, because he looked at him, and he was like kind of smiling. He goes, I hate my enemies. These aren't like a one-off somebody said something bad about you in the press, Pat. Since 2016, guys, the list is insane of what they've done. On top of the trying to shoot him, and it's Hitler and all that stuff. FISA abuse. It's still to this day, like, mind you, the Pelosi's and the Schumer's, if God forbid Trump was killed, how do you think that they would respond?

38:14And I'm being genuine. I think Hillary, my opinion, all of them would be celebrating behind closed doors. Behind closed doors. But maybe some of them even in public because that's how dark their souls are. But, Pat, I think when it came to the immigration thing, some people were saying, oh, he's bending the knee. Look what he's saying. He's talking about people that have been here for 10 to 15 years, which we talked about this. you have to have a, there has to be a fix. And nobody, nobody brings up the Biden stuff on the left. None of these Cretans want to bring up that almost 15 million people were purposefully let in.

38:47None of the pundits, none of the left, none of them said anything. Pat, and it drives me crazy, but I wanted to mention this part too. He said, did you guys catch this? That his administration called a leader of a major AI company and threatened them with jail. He said, and I quote, we said, do you like the color orange, which is hilarious? Go home right now. The guy started laughing. See your wife and children. Give them a kiss goodnight because tomorrow morning you're going to go to jail. He had that conversation. What do you think he was talking about? Who would that be? Well, I have an idea.

39:14Oh, would it be Sam Altman? That's right. Okay. I think he was talking about Altman. Do you remember that one part? I watched a longer version of it just to see what was being said. I think he was talking about Altman. And what do you think that was about? Like meaning we're going to send you to jail unless you do what? Well, you know, he was pushing the envelope a little bit. There was a moment where Altman had a lot of, he was being a little bit, look, let's just say this way. Of all the people, do you know Anthropic, how Anthropic got started? How? I honestly don't know. Seriously? I swear to you.

39:46I don't know. Do you know seven out of seven founders of Anthropic came from OpenAI? They left. Let me say this one more time to you. Anthropic got started because of Sam Altman. They used to work at Anthropic. Sam Altman pushed seven of them out. They got so pissed, they said, boom to you. We'll start our own thing. They went from OpenAI. From OpenAI to going and starting Anthropic. And this is where Elon was talking crap to him because he said it was supposed to be open source. This was a nonprofit. OpenAI. Think about the title of the word. OpenAI. And nonprofit, Elon gets$50 million. You convert it.

40:21Elon gets nothing. But Sam Altman's gay. So when he says here, go home and kiss your wife, was he talking about him? I think it was metaphorical. No, he is gay. Yeah, yeah. But I think what Trump was saying, that was a metaphor. It's like, hey, go kiss your family tonight. You're going to jail. All right. Go kiss your husband. And by the way, I'm purely speculating. It could be somebody else. I'm just giving my opinion. Go ahead, Tom. And you have to remember who was in Trump's ear at that time, Elon Musk, who was in the middle of two-level lawsuit that he lost on a timing technicality, not because it was wrong, Elon Musk.

40:54So the president had a lot of Elon Musk in one ear, and Altman was also coloring outside the lines, as they say. And so that's why I thought it was Altman, because I said, man, that all comes together. Look how close it is. Also because you have to remember the U.S. government fears AI, because they want to use it for surveillance on us, and they do not want it to be outside the box. Now, let me do this. So part I want to go to is the following. There was obviously a massive divide in the Republican Party, which led to the election, midterms, what happened. And look, nobody sits here and says, I'm willing to bet any of these major podcasters out there that are on the conservative side, none of them would have the audacity to go and meet and sit down with anybody at any point.

41:40They would be selective. This guy's not. He's got the guts to sit down with anybody, right? But watch this. There's certain things you simply shouldn't say. Trump goes out there and says voters should blame themselves for stock market route. Okay? So let me read this to you. Again, these are the types of things that he says that you sit there and you're like, all right, this is never going to change. This is not like he's ever going to change. So this is not a, hey, feedback, consider doing this. No. President Trump said Thursday, this is an Axios story, night that voters had themselves to blame for the stock market's historic sell-off.

42:16Two days after the Republicans lost the midterms elections in historic fashion, the president is lashing out at the voters who rejected his candidates and message. Stock plunged Thursday and with the heavy NASDAQ sinking more than 5 % as AI-linked stocks sold off. Investors are skittish about the future of AI development and the data centers at the Power Technology and Tuesday's Blue Wave Ushering Candidates. Stock market crashed today because the Democrats had a big Tuesday. So sad to see you only have yourselves to blame. He said on Truth Social. Okay, you know what this reminds me of? This reminds me of Yankees are doing a post-game.

42:52You know, they're doing a conference about the fact that Cashman is staying, Boone is staying, all this stuff. And you know what? I think it was Hal who says, look, let's face it. It's not because the team they put together. It's definitely not because of management. It's definitely not because of pitching. It's because of hitting. So you put the onus on who? Players. Players are the reasons why you didn't win. All right. Hey, you know why the stock is down? Nike, because it's customers' fault. Because you guys are no longer coming and buying. Nike went from$261 billion of valuation to$50 billion.

43:21Moments like this opens for criticism. Who is the one person you never publicly criticize? It's your customers. Period. And if you criticize your customers, sometimes your customers just goes away because you said something about the customers who were once very loyal to you and they were buying from you. You know who's made that mistake before? All of us have. Yep. Who hasn't made that mistake? You're upset, you're frustrated, and you're like, it's the agent's fault. It's this person's fault. It's that person's fault. Who's the leader in charge? Who's got the top? Who chose the leaders? Who chose the policies?

43:54Who made the decisions? Sometimes comments like this carries more weight than you think, and you need to be reminded and say, hey, it's not the customers. Find a way to let them know the way you want them before. And by the way, going back to the 60-minute thing, Tom, Tom, you made a very good point of how poised he was. Like, I don't sense any bitterness from him. This is actually the most bitterness energy I've seen in a tweet. It's always his tweet, his crazy tweet. You sense that you don't need to do that. So, I don't know. I don't know if the person that's sitting there saying, hey, do you want to send this tweet?

44:29I don't know if there's a point of sending this tweet or not, but it is what it is. Nothing's changed. It's not going to change. It's things like this that upsets people. Tom, your thoughts on this? Well, you know, there's a saying that goes out there, and we've all said it, it's like, hey, Angelenos, you get what you vote for. Now you got to live with it. I've said that about Los Angeles, and I was the voter out there. And I've said we. I said we get what we vote for because there were things going on in California. So you're on the voter side. Exactly. You're the customer. In the crowd, you can say that.

45:00From the podium, it's hard. And I'm hoping this is just one blip in what is a very resolved president going out to work with the agenda and get some things done between now and January 4th. About this. Listen, comments like that are going to make people jump off you. But again, Pat, that's just how he's wired is never to put the – like when have you actually – I think yesterday's interview was the one time – About immigration. Immigration, that's me personally. First time I actually saw like, yeah, we kind of, you know what I mean? Like we kind of messed up. But like I said, this type of stuff, Pat, at his age where he's had in his life, he's never going to change when it comes to this type of stuff.

45:43But guess what? The market doesn't lie. The voting people. By the way, let me say the crazy thing. Here's the crazy thing. He's right. But let me tell you what I mean here. He's not wrong. He's not wrong. The reality, what I love about what he said, the interviewer, you chose the candidates. These are the candidates you brought in. You brought in these guys, right? Ken, what is it? Paxton. One of the most boring candidates ever. I interviewed him, and I'm waiting for him to explain the policies. Vanilla after vanilla after vanilla after vanilla answers. Who the hell is going to rally for you? So he's not wrong that the voters voted for this.

46:31And he said something in question to the guy. He says in 60 minutes, how's your 401K doing? I tell everybody, when you vote, just look at your 401K. Because the moment they voted the other way, the 401K went down. Well, you voted for that. He's not wrong there. But the problem is, there's also part of it is that you made the decision with the war. You made the decision. And whether right or wrong, that's the buck stops with you. There's an important note. presidents aren't rewarded for long-term benefits to the country they're rewarded for short term so the next the two years is what people vote on they don't vote on your vision for the next 10 15 years and that's been a problem for trump from the start uh and you you know accountability is something that i think nowadays people really really like that that human moment that you touched on vinnie yeah when he was talking about immigration that resonates with voters that resonates with people kind of breaks this whole concept and more and more and more voters are pushing away from this two-party concept and they're looking at it of what benefits my life so when trump has this weird dichotomy of one second he connects with you and then the next second he takes this elitist position the economy is amazing you don't know what you're talking about to the voter and then he does things like this yeah and uh regardless of whether it's true or not it's a messaging issue yeah let's let's go to the next story next i want to talk about is Jennifer Welch from the podcast I've Had It.

47:49She and her co-host, they're watching, you know, a story with Charlie. And then all, I just want to play this clip for you on how distasteful it was with one of the tweets they're reading or one of the comments they're reading and look at their reaction. And right after this reaction, they lost 19 out of 22 of their sponsors, nearly$2.5 million of sponsorship revenue gone. Like this. Watch this. Go for it. Uh, dead morose says we're digging up Charlie Kirk and doing it again. Listen to the witches. This holiday, all plans, even unlimited are just$15 a month. A holiday deal. This good obviously deserves an enormously expensive holiday song.

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49:55I'm zooming in for Fox. I did. Look at the glasses. And these are older women. They're not, like, young. Look at like Kathleen Wittgenberg. No comment. No comment on that. Other than he was shot by somebody that was super MAGA. False. He was shot by a MAGA person. False. False. Do that with what you will. White person, white MAGA family. They react this way. The market reacts. Do you want to know who were the sponsors that they lost? Let me read them one by one by one to you. Ready? Okay. So first, they lost Ridge Wallet, Nutrafall. Ember Mugs, Ladder, Honey Love, Bowling Branch, Cash App, Jones Road Beauty, Lola Blankets, Casper, Zenni, iStore, Chewy.

50:46You know Chewy? Yeah. $10 billion company. BetterHelp, Ethos, Monarch, Paka, Primal Queen, Noble. These other names that I'll read, allegedly, they've kept the sponsorship with them. Just keep in mind who these companies are. Zip Recruiter, Article, Momentus, Cozy Earth, One Skin, IQ Bar, Chime, Branch Basics, Life Pro, Quince, Robotic, ASPCA, Pet Insurance, FFRF, HomeSurf, Flamingo, not tied to the old casino. So Zip Recruiter stayed out of all the names of the bigger companies. Now, they had to come out and apologize. And I want you to see how they apologized. I don't know if you have that clip ready or not.

51:32This is the way their apologies sound. And you tell me if this is very sincere. Maybe you see this as sincere. Watch this. Go for it. All right. There's a huge online cancellation campaign from all the titty babies over at Turning Point that want I've had it podcast to be canceled. Why is Turning Point spearheading this? Well, let me tell you why. They are in big trouble. Even Republicans are starting to question, are they worth it? They get millions of dollars in funding. And as everybody saw on Tuesday, they got L after L after L after L because they're losers and they lost because they believe in nothing.

52:09So now they're trying to ignite a war with us because they want to prove to their donors we can cancel libs. This is the guy that leads the charge over at Turning Point. He says, if they apologize, he's talking about us for being part of a toxic and evil culture that perpetuates violence against conservatives, I might actually be willing to listen. Andrew, we're we're never, ever going to sit down and listen to you when we apologize for laughing at a joke on our podcast. That wasn't for you. That was for us because somebody I love very much died from gun violence two years ago. And I just didn't feel good about that.

52:51And that apology was so that when I advocate for common sense gun reform, that I'm doing it clean and clear. I don't expect you to understand this because at turning point, y 'all laugh at violence all the time. You talk about how empathy is toxic and a worthless feeling. So I don't expect you to understand that. But for you to think that apology was for you just exemplifies how out of whack you are with where the American people are. Andrew responds back saying, Dear Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan, thank you for the video, but it's not that hard. Just don't legitimize political violence. You can blame me or Turning Point all you want, but we're not the reason all your sponsors are fleeing.

53:29You are. Your lack of remorse is the least surprising thing of all. I never once expected you to listen to me, but maybe, just maybe you'll listen to all the brands that no longer want to be associated with you. Vinny, thoughts? well for I don't know and everybody that's watching knows that I talk about evil on this podcast Pat a lot and I want people to understand all the time that we're up against I remember the conversation we had where I kind of did a blanket statement of evil and demons and I understood like I have to adjust okay but also we talked about the exceptions to the rule and I'm telling you go go back to just her photo Connor just just look at the face pause it on her video what this person exudes okay i don't know about the other one with her weird glasses she i've never even heard of her but like the serious xm photo like on the left that to me is evil okay you could see it in her face you guys even in her apology all right even when she laughed they sounded like witches to me guys it was such an eerie feeling what i feel in my stomach so i because by the way i love charlie to death i love charlie what he stood for him every single thing that he talked about so i personally when I heard the story I went and I emailed all these people I didn't know if the list started or whatever and Connor can you pull up I emailed everybody and Ember which I have an Ember mug that it's a it's an automatic uh coffee cup heater I emailed them and I said you go back uh I just I emailed them a long email guys I talked about Cash App and Cash App did it go to the other one Connor and uh they said go back to the just their response thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and sharing your concerns with our team the recent remarks made on the I've Had It podcast are inconsistent with Ember's values and the principles we uphold as a company in light of these concerns.

55:12We have made the decision to discontinue our advertising partnership with the podcast effective immediately. We appreciate your feedback and continue to support Ember because they know who I am because I own Ember and I've emailed them multiple times for other things. But anyway, this is what I want people to know that we're up against. And mind you guys, that fake apology and who she is as a human being, this isn't the first time. Connor, can you pull up that clip? But it was right around when Charlie was assassinated. Pat, do you guys know Caitlin Bennett? She does in the street stuff. Look at what she does, Pat, when she goes up to a woman.

55:45I remember this clip. Look at her response to this, Pat. They're asking about Charlie Kirk's murder. Go ahead and play this clip. Are you glad if I would die? Maybe. I'd have to think about it. You should be ashamed of yourself. You're ashamed of yourself. Your friend just said she'd be happy if I died. Watch. Watch this demon. Watch. So listen up, Democratic establishment. You can either jump on board with this shit, or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after Macca. And I've been saying that for a long time. Pause that. We see that. Listen to what she said. Again, your character, Jennifer, you demon.

56:22She says, Pat, she's giggling and laughing. People love that Charlie was dead and that she was dead. She says openly, hey, Democrats, basically innuendo, if you don't get in line we're gonna shoot your ass too think about what this human being is doing and guys i'm not about cancel culture i am not talk whatever you want you have the first amendment but that doesn't mean sponsors and people have to sit back yeah and pay you money for your disgusting evil rhetoric i don't know and i by the way i commented because she shut off all her instagram you can't message her even if you're following her i left a thing on instagram and i go i don't know what happens to you as a human being to get to this but i pray to god that i don't know her religious whatever find g read about jesus christ but ilan i have to pray for this person yeah we do we all talk about this as much as anger she got out of me i have to pray that she finds it because as it how can you wake up in the morning tommy and have this in your heart where you're laughing about a guy getting freaking murdered i don't get it so there can yeah please there has been a mass dehumanization campaign that has started it's well over a decade now you look at the polling of how much political violence is accepted especially in gen z harvard youth poll in 2025 found 39 of young americans age 20 18 to 29 believe political violence is sometimes justified these numbers are repeated over and over 43 and growing since 2018 growing uh tremendously you know it's funny she said they have nothing and the second she said that the only thing i could think about is you have nothing.

57:56You do not have God in your life. Because if you had God in your life, you could not celebrate the pain. I want people to realize, just think about this for a minute. We saw Charlie Kirk assassinated publicly. His family had to witness that. I don't care if you're on the right, you're on the left, the ability to laugh at that. And we're hyper fixating on her. This is endemic of a much bigger problem in society right now. And it's becoming worse and worse and worse. We're seeing it in the rhetoric from numerous, numerous political speakers and comedians people dressing up like charlie kirk on halloween comedians and and all of them are calling for the same thing they're calling for violence they're saying we're going to hang you there's going to be a nuremberg trial and this language is becoming more normalized more accepted i talk about new normals a lot we're at a new normal now where political violence on the left it's not only coming after the right it's coming after the centrist democrats they will try and tear everything down that's true and this may be a good time to go uh to scott galloway and take Look what Galloway said.

58:54And Galloway equated Elon Musk trying to push the things that he believes in. And that's all Musk was doing. Musk hasn't been indicted. Musk hasn't gone anywhere. And Galloway's out there saying, hey, we took the Rosenbergs and we put them up against the wall. Yeah, he doubled out on this podcast. And then he doubled out on it. And then I just sent a tweet. Can we have the tweet up? People say, well, all tech is going to protect itself. Not necessarily. Look what Jason C. said. If you sponsor this podcast, The Pivot, calling for the execution of Elon Musk, I will never use your product and will buy from both of your top two competitors.

59:25This is unacceptable. And the word he uses, dangerous, to your point. There are people that are on the left and center that are saying, wow, this is really dangerous. And he said, this is a dog, quoting Jason, this is a dog whistle to murder someone because you disagree with them. And this is the same guy who joked about the assassination of President Trump. And then he goes into a very personal jab that he puts at Galloway that I'll leave it between him and Galloway. But what's interesting is 2024, Kara Swisher and Galloway joked about the attempted murder of attempted assassination of Trump, the shot at Butler.

1:00:06And so to your point, we now have multiple leaders that are calling for what they don't see. You know what they don't see, Pat? You've become the totalitarians that you were warning us about. Fascists. That's them. No, you are, yes, but they are being the frogs boiled in the pot, coming to the end point that they said was us. Where are they? They don't understand what Kent State was about. You go back to Kent State when the National Guard panicked and four students that were there protesting got shot by National Guardsmen and everybody was worried about the right. Now you have the left straight up saying, hey, these people got to go.

1:00:46And when you take got to go to the end justifies the means, Pat, Jason's right. It's dangerous. Yeah, I want to go to this. Over the weekend, Dave Chappelle, there's a special that he's doing. I don't even think it's a special. It's just a show that he's doing. Carmageddon, I think it is. That's what it's called. And he's out there, and he said this about Charlie Kirk, and somebody was recording it on their phones. They posted it. It was everywhere. Go ahead.

1:01:40And there's another clip. Chana, can you play the other clip? Can I say something? When I heard this, I said, as a comedian, I gave him a sliver of a benefit. I go, maybe he's setting something up, Pat, where it's going to hit different. And I want to make a point. When you go to Dave Chappelle shows, they give you a lanyard, they give you a locked thing where your phone has to sit inside. You can't have your phone. Somebody snuck this in, which they weren't supposed to do, but I'm happy that they did it. This is the second part where he says, I'm sure Charlie Kirk is looking up at us right now, laughing at that he can't breathe.

1:02:12Looking up? Yeah, looking up. Go ahead. I'm sure Charlie Kirk is looking up at us right now, laughing so he can't breathe. Listen, by the way. But they say this is because of what Hinchcliffe said about George Floyd. Which I understand that. I understand that 100%. But from people that were there, that were online, that were here, hundreds of people got up and they left even if you heard that girl in the first clip she goes listen say what he's still a human being okay and i'm gonna say this just as a comedian well dave chappelle was on david letterman they were sitting when he had the beard now he's doing a podcast he was sitting over here like crying almost emotionally about george floyd i have lost all respect everything for dave chappelle i don't care how funny he is all of his specials Chappelle showed to me it's that and then Living Color top two.

1:03:03But can you imagine, just put yourself there for a second, Elon, if Shane Gillis, who's up there, went on stage and said, ever since George Floyd died, man, I just feel better. I think society, imagine this rant, is in a better place not having a scumbag with a rap sheet that included theft, aggravated robbery. He actually put a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach. Hey, think about this, all you George Floyd mural worshipers. put a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach while his friends robbed the freaking house, okay? And I bet you George Floyd right now is definitely looking up right now in his fentanyl crackhead self that had enough fentanyl to kill a giraffe.

1:03:41Imagine what the world would do, okay? And since he wants to talk about that, if you guys have to bet money on who's in heaven and who's in hell, is it Charlie Kirk, the guy who devoted his life to Jesus Christ, spreading the word, defending his faith, talking to college kids, putting his life on the line, literally, or a junkie, crackhead, fentanyl scumbag. I am, Pat, this made me live it. And you know what bothered me even more? Charlie Kirk, when Dave Chappelle in May 2022, guys, was tackled on stage by some non-binary, whatever the hell that person was, Charlie stuck up for him and went after the DA.

1:04:16He said, by refusing to charge the armed maniac who attacked Dave Chappelle on stage, George Gascon, this was the DA Is sending a clear message that public acts of political violence Are justifiable and even encouraged Against anyone who dares to speak out against the regime Okay, this guy stuck up for you This guy stuck up for you Immediately after you were freaking rushed Thank God nothing happened to you, seriously But we're not allowed to talk about George Floyd And at the end of the day, he died of a freaking Heart failure stop because of drugs I'm sorry. Derek Chauvin would never have met him.

1:04:55Think about this. George Floyd never meets Derek Chauvin if George Floyd wasn't a scumbag to society. Full stop. You don't even meet him. He doesn't put his knee on you or nothing. So to even compare or get emotional about George Floyd, and look at what happened because of the country, because of George Floyd. People burned down this country, billions of dollars of damage. It was all hell. Why? and a mural because of all these losers that pointed, put black squares on your Instagram, and BLM, that thing that you guys stood for, stole money from everybody. How stupid do you feel? I just want to say this.

1:05:29I think, and I'm going to have a moment of honesty, I think the entire discourse around all of this has gone insane. I think there's mass dehumanization across the board. I think even Vinny's anger right now, which is just... But across the board, are we doing it? I just want to say this. I just want to say this. Everything has to cool down. we all have to, I really believe, we all have to find a way to lean into God. We're not going to change them. We're not going to change them by making it a competition of George Floyd versus Charlie Kirk. A human life is a human life. In the end of the day, I had empathy for George Floyd.

1:05:57I wasn't happy when I saw the footage of George Floyd. Who was? And that's my whole point. Did we celebrate it? If your humanity is lost, I don't care what ideologies you support. I don't care if it's on the right or the left. It has to stop being about that. It has to do, if you see a man die and you feel like it was under circumstances that were unjustified, regardless of george floyd regardless of charlie kirk you do not celebrate it because you're a human being and through that you have empathy for other human beings and we're losing that empathy we've lost touch with the plot completely it's really really sad tom i'm curious what do you say you just heard two different positions here what are you at with it i i think we have to find some way to turn down the heat because people are getting hurt um but i'm not going to turn down my passion for my point about family and conservatives and the things I believe in.

1:06:46But I'll tell you, you know, you're not allowed on the conservative side, Elon. Yeah, we need to turn out the heat, but I get attacked when all I said, all I said was, you know, that's really unfortunate what happened to George Floyd, but why was he there in that liquor store? Why was he drugged up in that condition? And why did he put himself in that position. And I wasn't allowed to say that. I was attacked and assailed on X because you're not allowed to say that because they're trying to run a narrative against you. They're trying to push hard. And all I'm saying is if you don't want to get in a situation like that with the cops and then the cops end up in prison after a trial, then maybe you shouldn't be doing this, this, this, and this and be completely drugged up that someone called 911 and called the cops because of you to come out there.

1:07:37I'm not allowed to say that. I'm not allowed to say, wow, this is unfortunate. This is the consequence of the action. Then they come back and they raise the heat and they're like, oh, you like that it happened because you're conservatives. And that's a dehumanization toward me. So I do think we have to find a way to lower the heat. Believe it or not, who benefited the most from George Floyd? Who benefited the most? And the Democrats. When did George Floyd happen? What's the exact date of George Floyd? Trump's 2000... What's the date? Who benefited the most from George Floyd's event? 2021. Go to?

1:08:08What's the exact date? 20. Okay. What year was that? Remember every year I would say every time, May or June of election year, something like this happens. You know who benefited the most from this? Democrats. Obviously. They benefited the most from this. But this is kind of where I'm going. When I watched Chappelle make that joke, I thought he was promoting a special because if you think about the way he does it, he'll make a comment like this and cut it, get a lot of talk, and everybody, haters and supporters, have to go watch a special. There is no special. There was no special. He's not promoting a special.

1:08:46Number two is, you know, freedom of speech has consequences. You can say things, but there's also consequences. People can support you and not support you and come back and do all that stuff. No problem. You know, then you have the responsibility of a leader where you say things that you can make change. It can actually cause people to want to do something. You're laughing at a guy that defended you, classless. You don't do something like that. This is not a guy that was your enemy. So to me, I wonder, you know, Rogan said something on a show a couple years ago where he said, hey, maybe not even a couple years ago, maybe like nine months ago, about what he feels is going to happen with the jokes about Charlie Kirk.

1:09:26What angle a lot of people are going to take. Where it's going to be like, hey, they're going to start joking. And the person that ended up doing that is a friend of his. Dave Chappelle is a good friend of Joe Rogan. They've done a lot of stuff together over the years. You go to MGM Madison Square, and when you go to MGM in Vegas, the posters on the wall are Chappelle and Rogan. So, you know, sometimes when something like this happens, is this it? You know, I celebrate when I anticipate it as close friends on time periods on comedy where I wonder what he thinks about Dave Chappelle's comments.

1:09:49Yeah, play this clip. to celebrate or to in any way encourage this kind of behavior from human beings. It's not a violent guy who's talking, talking to people on college campuses. Wasn't even particularly rude. He's tried to be pretty reasonable with people. And there's a lot of stuff that I didn't agree with him on. That's fine. You're allowed to disagree with people without celebrating the fact they got shot. And to encourage this kind of thing is really one of the most... Can I bring up an important story? This is tough, though. No, the reason why I play this is, so, you know, you got friends, you got relatives, you got family, you got a lot of people that you love, right?

1:10:30And these are your relationship, people that you know. But do people have immunity on things that they can say? Immunity in what sense? You can get away and say whatever you want to say and you're protected. You have to call out comments that are made. You know, Joe said something about Theo Vaughn, I think, nine months ago, and Theo wasn't happy about it. And then Joe came up and he apologized and said, listen, man, I'm sorry. Maybe that was something we shouldn't have talked about. I don't know if you remember when, you know, the suicide, some of this stuff. You know, this is why Joe is Joe.

1:11:01This is why, you know, he does what he does. But in this case, in this case, it's not acceptable to talk like this. It's not acceptable to talk like this, for Dave Chappelle to tell a joke like that. and more importantly when he said it first do you remember the first group of people that laughed was the one that i'm most concerned about i don't know if you heard they laughed before he even said they clapped they clapped they celebrated millions of people that are like that absolutely in america but it wasn't even a joke that no and it wasn't a joke but he's a comedian so whatever i have one note i want to tell you and i want and i want to hear your story but i i have to disagree with.

1:11:38I understand the temperature. Absolutely. But Elon, I hope we're not going to pretend like this is a right issue. The left is the party of violence. If they don't win, if they don't get it their way, they will burn down this freaking country and kill their own people. Number one, okay? We're seeing it with this Jen Welsh and her disgusting freaking host, Dave Chappelle. Bro, at the polling station in Minnesota, one of the poll ladies had a bloody neck shirt making fun of Charlie Kirk. Don't get me wrong there's people on the right that are violent they're out there but this is a predominantly left issue and you're right it's because they are a godless freaking party i've said this multiple times show me an openly christian that's showing their faith democrat you're not going to find it okay and i'm just i'm just tired of it that we have to sit there and we obviously have to be the the more loving group but pat these people literally are celebrating they're hoping that freaking we get we get killed and they're never gonna stop they're never gonna think of martyrs for christ okay think of people who've martyred themselves for christ yes and so what i'm what i'm warning you against is a slippery slope because you're right it is predominantly right now on the left it's coming from the left and what's the response to that in instinctively and i have this response too i i want to have a strong response back i want to fight violence with violence a lot of the time that's my natural instinct but that's not the right way to deal with it in many cases.

1:13:04There's, and I forgot his name, I was looking for it, the black man who drove KKK members to their meetings. Okay, and over, if we could find his name, it's an unbelievable story, but over years, he saved roughly like 400 people from being white journalists. They did a documentary on him. And even anecdotally, I get a lot of death threats because of positions I take, and I always spend, I always, but when you respond to them with absolute kindness, some of them, Not all. Some of them respond back and say, you know what? I forgot you were a human being. We have to remind people on the left, and it's hard.

1:13:39We're not going to win them all over. But we have to remind people, because again, it shouldn't be right versus left. It's a human issue that everyone is a human being in the end of the day. I don't want you to get sucked into the anger and let it consume you. Because then they win. Then that, and it's going to, as much as you say right now it's a left issue, it is. in five years from now, you will see the pendulum swing the other way because it's a natural response to this kind of rhetoric and this kind of violence. So that's a dangerous place to go. And then it keeps swinging and it keeps going up to what end?

1:14:08So I just want to be solution based. I want to have some kind of outlook where there's a positive outlook. Because I don't want violence. I get emotional because if it's every day, bro, you're getting slapped in the face, slapped in the face, and your hands are just like this. I'm not going to hit them back but it's like bro, my voice I want to expose them as much as they can and I love the fact, Pat, that it's hitting their wallet like you said, we're not going to stop them from this but you have no idea how happy I got the email in the morning like 12.30 almost in the morning I was so freaking happy I couldn't go back to sleep I'm like, you can say whatever you want all your disgusting rhetoric, but now your wallet's going to get hurt and I'm happy that 2.5 million dollars What I love that Pat did is he didn't just name the companies that left he named the companies that stayed And that's what everyone should take note of.

1:14:55When you talk about consequence, that's the kind of consequence I'm for. I don't want any regulation on free speech. Me neither. But the companies that stayed with that podcast, those are the ones that care. Yeah, so I think both messages are necessary, what you said. Millions are with him. And fewer people are on your side. I know. On what you're saying. But it's needed. It's needed for us to be able to think about that as well because you're controlling the pulse. We have to be thinking about what's going on in America right now. Comments like this don't help. to come from a professional like him doesn't help, but it is what it is.

1:15:26Some are going to say, well, Hinchcliffe said it. What's wrong with this? I get it. I'm just saying there's a conversation behind it. All right, let's go to the next story. Next one I want to get into is chief of staff. So Susie Wiles, all of a sudden, out, replaced with Stephen Miller. While this happens, after Susie Wiles being fired after the midterms blowout, Then a Cali means senior advisor to RFK from HHS goes on the Rogan podcast. I don't know if you have a clip from that one or not. In the podcast, they talk about a lot of different things. One of the things they talk about is that Susie Walsh had a group of three people that were working for her.

1:16:06The timing of some of the things that happened where her daughter got her job at this one place, that the revenue went from zero to$30 million. Too many things that was concerning, but I'll let you watch the clip here first, and then we'll react to it. Go for it. And Susie's person, Walker Bear, is there. And he puts an executive order down on the desk. And he says, please review. And it was the glyphosate EO that says it's a national security issue. We need to have glyphosate and alluded to liability protection using national defense reasons. National security to make sure that we have glyphosate use.

1:16:45And I will tell you, the secretary of war, the major generals, they don't see our lack of glyphosate on U.S. farms as a national security issue. And the EO was all about farming, all about glyphosate. Nobody in military leadership sees this as a national security issue. So Walker put that on the table. I read it. I said this is a political disaster. You know, we need to talk about this. And he said this is final. It's national security. It's coming out tomorrow. I know the people in the room. And he said, please inform Bobby, and this is not up for discussion. And Bobby should not be calling the president or calling anyone.

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1:19:18First of all, the whole dialogue over the weekend is now calling into question, was Suzy Wiles a chief of staff or was she, you know, kind of crossing over the line like so many of them do? And is she open now to the allegation that maybe she was a, you know, a swamp creature like so many others? And when they say swamp creature, They're talking about people that end up on the public dole using their position in government to get there. And so you've got on one hand, Susie's being accused of that. And if that's the case, that is disappointing to me. And that was really sad because I thought she was a white hat.

1:19:57But what Callie means is bring it up here. And then over the weekend on this, they reached out to him and said, hey, you know, this isn't true. And he said, great. If it's not true, then let me post the following protection order. And what he did was, here it is. He came back and said, okay, if you say it's not true that I'm calling you out as sort of a swamp creature and as a member of the swamp that supposedly we were supposed to be draining, and yet you're making money on it and you're protecting gliosphate under national security, a chemical that is giving people cancer in use in agricultural, he says then you need to do this you need to preserve all of the following and when he goes out with this crickets Pat when he came out and said all of this protective crickets Todd Blanche was then asked on the CBS morning shows on Sunday hey what about this he referred to him as a podcaster and said that he is not inclined to investigate this because he's a disgruntled ex-government employee.

1:21:06And so how do you process that? How do you process that? It's like, well, Todd's certainly not running to Susie Wiles' corner, you know, and all he would have had to do if Todd was really on Susie's corner, what is the only thing he has to do? This guy better watch his mouth. He was in charge of and then access to very sensitive information, government secrets and stuff. I think you need to be careful about the things he says. That's all you have to say as an AG, You know what I mean, Pat, to kind of throw a shot out there? He doesn't. He just says, I don't really pay attention. I understand what he said and everything.

1:21:38So the first thing I have is on Susie Wiles. I'm going, wow, this is a big allegation. This is a big steaming pot of goo if it is in fact true. And it's exactly the kind of things that people talk about the revolving door that you leave government and you go up to K Street. You end up on a board and you end up as a lobbyist. And so one of the allegations he made is that Susie Wiles put lobbyists and campaign donations ahead of Children's Health. And she kept telling them to Callie and others, we need money for midterms, Callie. We need money for midterms. And then, of course, a daughter allegedly received special treatment with the business dealing that employed Wiles' daughter as a lobbyist receiving preferential access to government funding.

1:22:22and then Trump being kept on in the dark by his own advisors not telling him what's going on. That was one of the bigger things where Trump didn't know that some of these things that were taking place. So this looks very, very nasty on this story coming out. Tom, in regard to this, this is my question for you. You know how sometimes, because the part that makes it weird to me is the following. Here's what makes it weird to me. When did this interview drop? Great. I got you. Two or three days ago. What day did it drop? The interview was on Thursday, November 5th. Thursday, November 5th. The interview dropped Friday, November 6th.

1:23:02Okay. When did Wiles get fired? And Trump announced that Wiles was out and Stephen Miller was replacing her on Friday. Same time. Same day. So the Rogan interview was Thursday. The actual interview. Susie submitted her resignation that night. The interview drops on Friday, November 6th. and Trump announces that Wiles was out and Miller was in on Friday. After the interview. Yes. So the interview wasn't done on the 6th. The interview was done the day before because you've got to cut it up. Cut it Thursday. Do all that stuff. So I think this was the sequencing. I think this was a guest that went on that was timed to get ahead of the story of Wiles to minimize the stories, and I think it was very intentional, and the sequencing was brilliant.

1:23:44Great. Because what it automatically did is say something. Go. announce it. You better not say anything or else do the interview. Boom. Let's move on. She's been fired. I think that's what happened. Do you understand what I'm saying? I do. Exactly. And I also want to my third point. I understand that and I agree with it. But one of the things that bothers me about it is that we she called them the sugar guys. And supposedly multiple people on the inside said that's exactly what she was saying. They went out to get money from the sugar guys. And RFK, remember, he came out on vaccination. He came out on COVID.

1:24:20He came out on food dyes. Do you remember what happened when they started going out on sugar? All of a sudden, RFK, wait, wait, wait. Hang on a second. Let's go easy on sugar. We're selling a lot of diabetic medication in this country, and we sell a lot of sugar. Maybe, RFK, you got your food dyes. You got your COVID. You got your other things. But maybe let's, all of a sudden, Maha kind of, do you remember that? I remember. All of a sudden, Maha got quiet. And so I see all of this together, but I agree with you on the sequencing at the end. But if this is really true and this is how it went, then we went to drain the swamp.

1:24:49But they circumvented Trump and behind his back, apparently, we're doing swamp things. And Tom, you mentioned the sugar. He said this percentage, which I checked, which is a little bit lower, talking about the sugar folks, 38 % of teens have prediabetes. And he said nobody gives a you-know-what. What's the real number, though? I checked it, Elon. It's a little bit less, but think about that. Almost 40 % of kids are pre-diabetic. So he's not lying. All the Coca-Cola, all the everything. And I just want to make a quick point with Tom. I was talking with Tom about how Maha, like, RFK went in there and he did his thing.

1:25:26Then all of a sudden I'm like, bro, I haven't heard anything about this guy. And this is what bothers me. I have two questions, Elon. What else was kept? What else was she gatekeeping or whatever? Because we talked about this before the podcast. well you're the president of the united states you can't you own businesses pat owns business yeah we were talking about it yeah you can't sit there and puppeteer everything you have to trust this person and if this person is what they're saying that it is they were keeping things which were by the way harming americans and harming children because of their lobbying interests and the list was huge tom so i just wanted what else was kept was think about anything with the Gliosphate was a chemical that was harming adults working.

1:26:06And the cancer incidence among adults working with that, I believe, is 6x worse. Yes. So this gliosphate is an industrial chemical, which is there were big, giant companies making big donations. This is not new. That needed protection. Yeah. But this is a longstanding issue in politics. It's everything people hate in the government. that you have this group of centralized power that's stopping things for their own personal benefit from getting... It's literally what the establishment represents. Yeah. What you were touching on, it is impossible when you're at the top to manage every single person under you.

1:26:41It would just be a physical impossibility. But something about Cali that makes me think this has a lot more legitimacy is that he's been speaking on these issues for a long time. It's not brand new. He cares about these issues. There's old stories. You know, everyone makes fun of Alex Jones. It's an old Atrazine story. He was talking about the frogs are going gay. The frogs are going gay. There is actual truth to that story. The frogs didn't go gay, but they did have like micropenis development and they did have sex chains, all from atrazine, which is banned in every other country. And the EPA and all special interest groups went against the doctor that did tons of research on it.

1:27:16There were like 36 other research papers. They got them all denied. And the only one that got approved was from the company that actually ran their own private investigation into atrazine. There's so much. And at the expense of who? at the expense of our children, at the expense of our health. How long, I don't even, like, this is just, I have no idea how long people might have known that asbestos might be dangerous before, or smoking was dangerous before. It took years to get it out into the open. In the 50s, they ran, Camel ran ads in the 50s with a doctor smoking a cigarette that said, more vitamins.

1:27:47Yeah, I remember that. So that is the game. This is not new. People believe, the thing that hurts the most is people believe Trump was going to end this game. And what happened? It got played at a higher level than we've seen for many, many years. So I have two things. And you're right. Just like in 2016 when he just showed up and he's like, oh, my God, I won. Pat, the Christopher, everybody's like, well, he appointed them. How would he know he was brand new? But my question to you is, Pat, how do you stop this? What's the solution to stop somebody like a Susie Wiles if these accusations are true, which I kind of am on Cali Means' side?

1:28:21How do you stop this from happening? You know, it's interesting. Again, Anthony asked me the question this morning. He says, what leads to men, you know, like NVIDIA, Jensen Long, doing what he does? I said the most powerful way to get somebody to do something stupid is flattery. And Tom and I have had this conversation together many, many times. And my guys, and I do this all the time, because here's how it goes. It'll go with Vinny. Let's just say you're married. A girl comes up to you. You've been married for 18 years. And she'll say, my God, if you were my wife, if you were my husband, every morning I would not let you leave full.

1:28:57You would always leave empty. I would do this. I bet your wife pleases you all day long. She's fishing. And you're like, she actually doesn't. And you're now upset. Oh, my goodness. I'm sure your wife is very grateful for how amazing of a man you are. Good looking, makes money, smart, funny, all of that. There's not too many men like you in the world. And you now walk away. Who's the first person you call and fight? Hey. Hey. I'm full. What happened, right? What are you doing? So then that leads to a fight. That leads to that. So you have to know certain elements of what causes people to fall.

1:29:35Flattery is one of them. Flattery is one of them. Power is another one. Thinking that you have immunity is another one. Oh, my God. I'm the chief of staff. I can do this. I can do that. Kids, kids. We had an event this weekend, and one of the guys is there. They want to have their son be the CEO of the company. And they have one son. So the husband and wife, the mom and dad are there, and we're having this conversation. And he comes and asks me, hey, what do you think about me, you know, when if I'm such and such, I'm about to be the CEO, what would you suggest? I said, you really want me to tell you the answer?

1:30:13Yeah. And I waited for the mom and dad to be there. I said, maybe you're not good at being a CEO. I said, I got four kids. I said, if you think for a second, just because you're my kid, you're going to be the CEO of the company. You have one thing come. It's not going to be the case. And I tell my kids that all the time. If you're not that good at what you do and somebody else is, they're going to get the job over you. It's not just because you're a kid that you're going to get that job, right? So that automatically becomes what? Where you put your kids over the job. I have a lot of relatives I love.

1:30:42I would never hire them. This isn't just about you being able to do this, but that's very hard. You're tempted because as a parent, what do you want to do with your kids? You want to make sure you raise the ceiling for them that becomes their ground. You want to make sure you give them a better option. You want to make sure they do better and succeed in all this stuff. This is never going away. Never, ever is this going away of that. Sad. And I remember the first time they said the first chief of staff that Trump had, the doors were always open. And I don't know if you remember how she asked for the job.

1:31:12Do you remember what Susie said before accepting a job? You don't remember what she said before accepting a job two and a half years ago? You should remember this. She said, I will only take this job if you give me power to know who has access to you or not. Because the first chief of staff had too much accessibility to you. I wouldn't make you too accessible. Everybody has to go through me. Oh, wow. And apparently Trump said yes. Yeah. Apparently Trump said yes, and that's how she got the job. So, you know, Susie's father is a – you know who Susie's father was? No. Tom, you know who Susie's father was?

1:31:45Summerall? Coach Summerall? Like, she's part of a – can you type on who Susie Wiles' father was? Pat Summerall? Can you pull up who was Susie Wiles' father? Can you type in father? F-A-T-H-E-R-Y-A. There you go. Pat Summerall? Pat Summerall. Oh, I know who he is. That's her father. Former NFL Giants. Yeah, Pat Summerall was her – That's so random. It is. So she's been in the limelight. She's been out there. She's probably had somebody that challenged her to say, here's what it is to be mentally tough, emotionally tough, all this other stuff. So I would like to lean towards positive, but this doesn't look good for Suzy, obviously.

1:32:23And it's not the first, Pat, if you think about just right now in the administration, you have all that stuff that's happening. Alina Habba with her. I tell you, though. I don't like all that. This is the Kim Kardashian playbook, though. And I will tell you what the Kim Kardashian playbook is. Anybody the Kardashians dated, right before the divorce happens, the Kardashians would go to the media and drop dirt on Kanye, drop dirt on Humphrey, drop dirt on all the husbands. So the media sympathizes with who? With the Kardashians. Oh, my God. Poor girl. How did you deal with that? Yeah. Remember that one interview with Mike Tyson where Robin Givens is sitting there and all of a sudden is like, what the hell just happened?

1:33:04Barbara Walters. you know Mike's got a bipolar he's got a bad person, he's got such a bad temper and he deals with anger issues and Mike is sitting there saying what? Yeah what did you say? But they set him up. Of course they did. So you just gotta know there's a little bit you gotta be, I'm just glad that what Callie said is the fact that Trump wasn't in on some of these things. Even in the 60 minute interview remember when the guy brought up Area 51 and aliens and he said you know there are some stories that they say that even you as the president don't know. I says really I'm not aware of that.

1:33:33Matter of fact that's going to be one of the first phone calls I'm going to make after this meeting. So meaning that sometimes presidents don't even know what's going on. Let's go to the next story. Next I want to go to is Tom. The Democrats fighting each other. The Democrats fighting each other. This story came up with Ro Khanna now saying he's going to run for president. Then you have a story of Hakeem Jeffries. He's a yes, man. Hey, we can't do this. But yes, let's go after Hexit. How are you processing all these stories coming out together, Tom, for yourself? Do you think there's infighting going on right now in the Democratic Party?

1:34:04And if yes, why? Let's get ready to rumble. Here's what's going on. So we have a couple things going on here. First of all, you have the old guard in this corner, the legacy guys, the old guys. You have Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer and Dem senators and people that were DSA, that were pushing DSA candidates are saying, hey, we don't want you here anymore. Jeffries came out and indicated that we need to work together on the economy. We need to work together. He understands. I don't agree with a lot of what Keem Jeffries talks about, but he was coming to the political center on the economy and saying, we've got to work together on the economy.

1:34:49And all of a sudden, the DSA people that just seemed to want blood, they were going the other way going, you're what? And so suddenly there it is. House Democrats inundated with the anti-Jeffrey's calls because they're like, no, no, no, no, no. Day one, we're not going to talk about working together with these people. Day one, we want to be talking about what we're going to do to them. And then he comes up on ABC yesterday on Sunday and he said, but on things like Pete Hegsist, I'm a hard yes. And so why did he say that? Well, he said that because he's trying to pull heat off of him. So DSA going up like this, Jeffries and Schumer suddenly getting pushed back to the side.

1:35:27And then in the middle of the smoke, rising from the bright sun of California, Ro Khanna. Yeah, I'm kind of I'm considering a 2028 presidential run. Really? Is that why you drew the line against Gavin Newsom, also from California, two weeks before the election? and said it was an act of betrayal the way Gavin Newsom was supporting Prop 42 when Gavin Newsom originally supported Prop 40 and 730 reservations at the French Laundry. There were so many things that Gavin Newsom was in favor of that now Ro Khanna is like, no. So now Ro Khanna is up there coming up this way. And then you've got the not just the DSA, but the hard left of the DSA led by the tribe.

1:36:11The tribe is back. Tlaib, AOC and friends are now back. And they're all jockeying for power because the DSA is a stronger voice and has more momentum right now. This is very, very similar to the Tea Party surge that happened before Trump's 16 in the Republican Party. There was a big surge of Tea Party, really big surge. And so they came there and said, no, no, no, we're in charge. And remember, they were threatening the primary Republicans that disagreed with them. Then what did MAGA do? There were MAGA-ites that would get together in groups of five and said, Elon, if we don't like what you're doing, we're down here in the South.

1:36:55You're here in the South with your—we will primary you, dude. We will get behind somebody and primary you. Do you understand? And so that happened. Guess what? But that same games that are happening in politics have now come to the Democrat Party. And we are seeing immediately post-election. We are seeing Schumer, Jeffries getting bonked and catching heat. And then we are seeing even beyond that, you're seeing Ro Khanna walking in. So Ro Khanna probably looks and notices that nobody was at 25 percent on the polling. Nobody. And this is the first time. Pat, how long has this been? like four elections, that it's been the first time there hasn't been a Democrat frontrunner.

1:37:37As of this time, that the leading frontrunner is not at 25%. They don't seem to be so. John Ossoff is like at 22. That's called a power vacuum. And who's in the middle of the power vacuum? Somebody who sucks. Ro Khanna. Yeah. Right? And so here it is. Tom, and you're right. I love that you said that too. That squad, which by the way, it's very interesting for the 2028, for the Democratic nomination. You have right now John Ossoff, who's not with them. AOC is at 17 % with Gavin Newsom. So I think things are going to change. But I just sent. You see where Ossoff was over the weekend? I think he almost breached 30 % on Calci and Pauly.

1:38:16I'm betting on him today with Elon. But I'm going to do a future. Look at this. So can you do me a favor? Put 1 ,000. 26. I'm right. He almost has breached 30. But he's above 20. Put the shares. On here. Now we've got to see the polling come out. Put 1 ,000. I'm doing this today. 1 ,000. What is it? Max payout. That's it? For him to be? No, no. Not the nominee. You bet 270. You trade 273 to make 1 ,000. To make 1 ,000. That's good. That's a 5X return. And then can you play the clip, Connor? Do me a favor. Do the same thing with AOC. Go to AOC. Do the same thing with AOC. AOC will be a 5 or 6X.

1:38:50Put 1 ,000. So let me tell you what I think is going to be happening. You ready? I'm going to give you a complete different advice. Remember, whatever you trade here on Cal sheet, you don't have to keep until the very end because it's going to change. Like a stock. Right now, I would actually do the opposite. What would you do? I would trade$10 ,000 on AOC. Okay. The moment AOC gets to 30%, then I'm going to trade it and move on with it. That's what I would be doing. Because what do we not know about Ossoff yet? Ossoff hasn't been that public. The moment he gets too public, what do we love? All the dirt.

1:39:22All the dirt. But you know the dirt with AOC. You know about it. So she's already been. You know everything. You know a little bit too much on Gassoff. Yeah, she's been vetted. So the edge that Newsom has is all his dirt is out there. So Newsom's edge is the fact that his reputation is out there. We know nothing. It's like you date a new girl and you know everything bad about your ex. And you're like, oh, my God, this new girl is so sweet. She likes me. She's so amazing. Six months ago, she's a freaking sucker. You know, she is nuts. She hit me with a baseball bat last night. Do you know she's poisoning her college boyfriend?

1:39:53All the ex-boyfriends have a website. She's got a bad temper. So all I'm saying is if you're going to trade Ossoff, just be aware his dirt. The word isn't public yet. The other two are. By the way, what is the likelihood of Gavin Newsom's going to hit 20 points? What is the likelihood that Gavin Newsom's 12 % will be 20 points? So that's how we trade. I would trade Newsom and AOC. Yeah, you're not trading on a winner. Let him go up to 20, drop it. That's how traders think. Ossoff is right now a bad buy. You're actually, I'm happy you said that. He's a bad buy because everybody already knows. Nobody knows anything about Ossoff.

1:40:24All of a sudden, you find out a story. You know, he has six goals. Get a midget or a midget. You want to find out some real stuff about him? I think he's going to climb in the short term. I think they're trying to give a front runner at least now some attention. I think he'll get to 35. Okay, so me and you after this, we're going to go for AOC. I don't want to cut you off. Can you – because, Connor, can you play the clip of Ro Khanna, Pat? Do you guys see a Peter Doocy ass Ro Khanna because he just went up by the – I cut it in half. He went on a tangent about who he's going to go after and all these people.

1:40:54And this is actually pretty good what Doocy asked him. Go ahead. The American people won. Something else that you were talking about, I saw a quote in Time magazine of yours that, and in the context of impeaching Donald Trump next, you said the base will also demand it. How does impeaching Donald Trump lower gas prices? Watch, watch, watch. Well, prevent him from continuing this war. The whole reason that we have high gas prices. How does it prevent him from continuing the war, though? He's been impeached twice. and he is the president right now. It's nothing. It doesn't work. I'm not sure how either of the first two impeachments stopped him from carrying out a war.

1:41:35So basically, long story short, I'm hoping, which I think, Pat, they cannot get out of their ways. This is what they're going to do is they're going to go all in. They're going to have this. They will. They're already saying it. Yeah, you already know. And they should be listening to some of those voices. They're like, hey, listen, guys, we have a mandate. Let's just show them that, but they cannot get out of their own way, bro. No, they want, let me read this. I'm going to read a super chat, which we should get better at doing. But here's one. From Black Hero 911. Great name. He said, when a president in their final eligible term suffers a multi-level midterm blowout, losing control of the House, the Senate, and multiple gubernatorial races, their party has gone on to lose the presidency in the next election 100 % of the time.

1:42:20Now, whether that prompted based on the Calci conversation, because this guy's a traitor. I don't know. But you have to follow the data. You have to follow the data on what's going on. So if the data is right, guys, AOC. Oh, my God. I called it, I called it like, what, six months ago? He's years. You know when I said AOC? He's years. You know when I said AOC? Two years? I called it two years ago. Okay. I was here. I was there. And by the way, and I wish we go back to that podcast on how everybody reacted to it when they're like, you're out of your flipping mind. I said, okay, just wait for it.

1:42:53And by the way, if the economy, you know what AOC wants to become the president? She needs one thing. Let me tell you what she needs. It's very simple, guys. She needs one thing. She needs the Dow to hit 48. She needs the rates to stay high. She needs the war to continue. She needs another crime like a George Floyd to happen in May, June of 2028. She needs Trump to go out and give the pardons to all his family members. She needs Trump to self-pardon himself. She needs all of that stuff. And by the way, the question was brought up yesterday on 60 Minutes. Are you going to use the power of pardon?

1:43:29He says, of course I am. He says, are you going to pardon some of your friends, some of yourself? He says, yeah, maybe. I haven't thought about it for myself. He says, but we're going to have to pardon a lot of people because I know they're going to come after him. And he says, anybody that knows me, they're going to come after him. He says, will you pardon me? He says, maybe even you. They'll come after you. That's amazing. Because he knows him. What a funny moment. It is very ideological. AOC, folks. I'm telling you. By the way, what this message should do to you is the following. You know why, if you're listening, some of you guys get pissed off with me when I say that.

1:44:00Let me tell you, you ought to have the pride of wanting to break this 100 % gap. Like, you know how he says, everybody that's gone through this 100 % of the time, what's happened? That party's won, right? So it ought to create so much fear, anxiety, stress for you that you go out there door knocking and help the next candidates come up because guess what? they won this one and you may have AOC as your president. You're going to have to listen to her for four to eight years and you don't think the socialistic idea you don't think wealth tax will be nationwide you don't think progressive tax will be on steroids going up.

1:44:34Capital gains will go to levels we've never seen before but my biggest concern is packing of the courts and doing away with what they want to do though Ro Khanna will be running on that on a national level. Of course he will be Because he believes in that. Of course he will be. Here's my question. How many of you actually, so this is how power is handed over to extremists. You want change so bad, you want to feel better so badly that you're just willing to do anything. You're willing to vote in something far more extreme so long as it's not what you've been voting for. And it's, by the way, the left has a big problem right now.

1:45:07If you're a centrist leftist, that party is gone. They are getting, like, destroyed by this extremist ideology that's openly calling for their destruction. So the same way they've attacked the right, this is exactly the communist playbook. They go after the people who helped them gain power. Those are the first ones who get hung. So as much as they're calling for destruction of the right, they're also going to destroy the left in the process. They're going to try and create a situation where there's no more future real democracies, just the illusion of democracy. And we will have handed over our power.

1:45:39The thing with the 100%, there's never really been quite a situation like this in any point in American history where you've had a party that openly calls for this level of fundamental change to how our country operates, including, like I said, packing the courts, has a history of the FISA abuse, wants to give millions and millions of illegal immigrants amnesty and all the things they're pushing for. That changes the foundation of our country on a very deep level. So people better, better wake up screaming about this. But I agree with you 100%. And with what Pat is saying,$1 ,000 right now just on AOC will give you$6 ,700.

1:46:14Let's get rich on the end of America. You'll win if she –$6 ,730. But I wouldn't wait until the end. I would trade and I would sell. When it goes to double? I would sell when it doubles. I'm doing that when we leave here. I'm doing it too. I'm with you. That's how traders are thinking. I think Newsom and AOC are both too low. And I think Ossoff is expensive right now. I really do. Okay. I think Ossoff 26 % is way too expensive. He's not battle-tested yet. I think Newsom 11 points will hit 25 points and you'll 2x. And I think AOC is actually undervalued right now. Can I ask you a question? Do you think there's any chance that an establishment Democrat wins?

1:46:49Can you go on the list like a Josh Shapiro? Who's an established Democrat? Kamala has a high chance. By the way, Kamala has – and by the way, 6 % for Kamala is super low. 6 % for Kamala is super low. Yeah, she's been drinking and getting up. Remember after the first debate when she called out Biden, and she bumped up to 19 % very quickly when she said, I remember the buses, Joe. I remember what you did. Yeah. And I was one of them. Vroom. She skyrocketed. I'm right here. That was her one moment. I'm right here. Yeah. So she's been, you know, chomping on the opportunity to get back in there, and people are still talking about that she could be in there.

1:47:21So anyways, as traders, this is a full-time job. There's a reason why the highest-paid person on Cal sheet this year made$100 million, and he's in his 20s just trading. He's in his 20s. Let's go to the next story. Next, what I want to get to is a story about a guy that nobody is paying attention to. Maybe they are, and one by one by one, he's calling out everybody. He's a governor whose state. Let me just tell you what his state just did. You ready? His state just did something that they say, this is it. This is the greatest state in America. This is a story that says Florida approves property tax relief.

1:47:58why insiders, ready, say the Sunshine State just made itself, ready, the keyword, unbeatable. Unbeatable. Wait, what are you talking? Who's the governor of that state? What's the guys in? Ronnie? Ron? Oh, Ron DeSantis. Oh, okay. Who is the only guy that everybody in a state won because of a great job that he did in Florida. Now watch this. I'm going to tell you three, four things that Ron DeSantis has done already since the midterms. to show everybody and he's knocking some people out to not even want to compete against him that's what he's trying to do i like his style even though a lot of ron de santos people get upset with me and they say oh stop weren't you the one that ended his uh campaign in 2024 maybe because right after he was on the podcast i tried to buy him some nice ferragamo shoes he got upset at me i have good taste i like ferragamo and it was an opportunity for him to say yes he flipped out he ran out that was because that was trump's season to run and my challenge with him was you should to call Trump.

1:48:57But that doesn't mean, if you listen to me, that I didn't see him as a contender in 2028. All I said was 24 is not your time and all the DeSantis people, the sensitive people. I hope you don't get sensitive this next time because you're going to need a lot of people's help. On Election Day Tuesday, a majority of Florida voters approved a sweeping property tax cut for homeowners passed by 62 percent of voters. Vinny, Amendment 3 expands the homestead exemption on primary residences from$50 ,000 to$150 ,000 in 2027,$250 ,000 in 2028. This is ridiculous. This change applies to non-school property tax, effectively shielding up to a quarter million dollars of homes assessed value.

1:49:38School property tax remains in place under the amendment. People who are not in Florida residence by December 31st, 2026, must wait until their fifth year of homestead eligibility to receive the expanded exemption. You know what this means? If you're planning on moving to Florida, you better move down here the next two months. That's what he's trying to say to you, okay? You better get your ass down to Florida now or else you've got to wait five years. Andres Asion, broker-owner of Miami Real Estate Group, argued that the true victory belongs to retirees of fixed income, noting that for 70 - and 80-year-old homeowners whose properties are grandfathered in the old modest values, slashing their tax bills by 25, any, slashing the tax bills by 25, 30, or 50 percent.

1:50:19That's massive impact. Opponents warned the tax cut could force local governments to cut back on police, fire, and emergency services. With the Florida Police Institute estimating that local governments could eventually lose approximately$12 billion. That's fear porn. But guess what? It's a plan. So here's where I'm going. Let me tell you. Stories. Ron DeSantis calls out Vivek. He didn't even hesitate. But guess what? Vivek was on stage with them when they were debating. So one by one by one, he's eliminating people. You've got to meet voters where they are. Ron DeSantis slammed Vivek's disastrous Ohio governor campaign.

1:50:52He's getting ahead of it. I'm just trying to prep you guys what he's doing. That's one. Number two is the Florida story I just told you with taxes. Three, Ron DeSantis calls out Republicans over crony capitalism. What? Yeah, he's calling them out over crony capitalism. You know who he's talking to? Some of the people who maybe are Republicans and independents who don't like what some of these guys did to make money, He called out Republicans who pushed crony capitalism policy during an interview on Sage Steele podcast. DeSantis said one reason screaming socialism didn't work in the midterm elections was because young people have a very positive view of socialism compared to capitalism.

1:51:29But the question is for the kind of the broader electorate who aren't partisan, is just screaming socialism going to work? Obviously, it didn't work in this election. And why? He said part of the reason is the education in our university. but that a bigger part of it is that young people are eventually comparing what they're comparing. Is this the clip, by the way? Is this a clip? Go for it. Play this clip. I want you to see this thing. A guy like me, if I see a socialist candidate, it's an easy thing for me to vote. I mean, it's not even a question, but the question is, for kind of the broader electorate and partisan, is just screaming socialism going to work?

1:52:05Obviously, it didn't work in this election. And why? And I think the reason is, is, you know, young people have a very positive view of socialism compared to capitalism. And the question is, why is that some of it's the education in our universities or whatever? But I think a big part of that is what they're comparing is not free enterprise to socialism. What they're comparing is how government gets involved in business and you have crony capitalism. So the best kind of indirect supporters of socialism are some of these corporatist Republicans who propagate these crony policies, because the average person seeing that and saying, wait a minute, you're trying to bend the government to funnel benefits to this corporation or that industry or this.

1:52:53What about having a competitive market? If you have a competitive market and you truly have free enterprise, that's going to benefit small businesses. It's going to benefit individuals. You are going to see the standard of living rise. The problem is these young people really aren't seeing that. They're seeing just a handful of companies that have an outsized influence on our economy and on our society. And they see government policy. For example, the Republicans in Washington wanted to do a 10-year effective amnesty for big tech where states and locals wouldn't be able to provide any type of regulatory oversight over artificial intelligence.

1:53:30And I'm thinking to myself, what other industry gets this? These hyperscale data centers that have become - You can pause right now. By the way, who's he talking to? You know who he's talking to? Let me read this to you. Where this guy's going. Brilliant. By the way, I love the strategy. I love the strategy of where he's going, and I'm going to tell you exactly where he's going to. He is paying attention to something called numbers. You know, some people say they're numbers people. I'm a numbers guy or all this stuff. Here's what he's following. I'm going to read the story if I can find it. Gen Z dumps Republicans and asks you a story.

1:54:04What? Who's he talking to right now? He's realizing if you want to win, whose help do you need? You need the youth. and I'm going to tell you a story here with a part where he screwed up. Okay? A part where he screwed up. I'll read this to you. Young voters swung so hard toward Democrats on Tuesday that it raises doubts about whether Republicans can hold any lasting coalition under 30. Trump's success with Gen Z, especially young men, had fueled talk of a generational shift to the right. An estimated 66 % of voters age 18 to 29 back Democratic House candidates against 31 % for Republicans. According to Tufts University, great school, This is a 35-point Democratic edge, up from 14 points in 2024.

1:54:47Support among men under 30 rose from 51 % to 59%. Among young women, 61 % to 70%. In Texas, Vinny, in Texas, 76 % of under 30 voters back Democratic Senate candidates, James Salarico. Did you know what I just said? 76 % under 30 in Texas. We're not talking Illinois. We're not talking Michigan. We're talking Texas. 73 % back Democratic governor candidate Gina Hinojosa. Butchered that one. In Georgia, 70 % back Democratic Keisha Lance Bottoms for governor. Gen Z voters are proving that they have the power not just to decide races, but to be the decisive factor in flipping both chambers of Congress, said Santiago Meyer.

1:55:34Young voters have an estimated 11 % of Tuesday's electoral against 12 % in 2022, and different polling methods, complicated exact comparisons, but this is where I'm going. He knows he's going to go after crony capitalism. He's got the pulse of what young kids are upset with. He knows what's going to happen to Gen Z between now and 2028. What's going to happen? As you age, you vote more. So two years from now, those guys are going to vote even more because they're more involved, their careers on it, their finances on it. But there's one thing that Ron and his team has to be thinking about. You know what it is?

1:56:09In 2024, I want to say, or 23, Charlie Kirk invited DeSantis to come to AmFest. And on the podcast, I asked Charlie, why didn't DeSantis show up? He says, I don't know, but we invited him. The governor was invited. He didn't go. Why does that matter? DeSantis, if he's going to really play ball, he has to talk to the younger generation, not just give a speech like this, which is great. He's following data. He's doing the right thing. but he needs to go out there and get in front of them. So building coalitions. I don't know. When we had Ben Shapiro on the podcast, I don't know if you realize one of the things he finally admitted to, which was very impressive.

1:56:51I said, what do you think the difference between you and Charlie is? Because I feel like you come, you give the message, you leave. He says, yeah, that's definitely right. I'm not good at building coalitions. Maybe I should get better at building coalitions. And Ben is a DeSantis guy. Charlie was a Trump person at that time. He was open, but Charlie was a Trump guy. So if DeSantis truly wants to play ball in 2028 of running for president, what coalitions are you guys creating behind closed doors? Because you need to create better coalitions. And whatever those – there's about 50 of them that I have on my list, but you've got to find a way which one of them will invite you, which one of them will accept you, and which one of them you've got to make the phone call to say, hey, what do we got to do?

1:57:29Can you pull up AmFest speakers? Can you pull up AmFest speakers, which is next month? Who are the speakers at AmFest this year? can you pull up the speakers go to AmFest 2026 I just want to know who the speakers are go a little bit lower this is free promotion for them JD okay JD Erica Kirk, Don Jr. Caroline Levitt, Jesse Waters, Franklin Graham try to find Ron DeSantis there is he there he's not there okay is Marco Rubio there go a little bit higher Rubio's not there so what this tells me Vinny is this coalition of TPUSA, who has under control? J.D. Vance. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Just letting you know.

1:58:10And so DeSantis has to find a way to get in front of these types of audiences because J.D. is whose person? By the way, Tucker's not there. I'm not there. A lot of people ask, why did you turn down AmFest? I never got the invitation. Every year, Charlie would text me, Pat, are we back on? Pat, are we back on? Pat, are we back on? What do you need? What do you need? Every year. Didn't get a call from them at all this year. Not saying anything. I know. But didn't get a call out off from those guys. And it was a very open relationship. Charlie was phenomenal at building coalitions. I don't know if Erica is.

1:58:41Quite frankly, I don't know her like that. Maybe she is. Maybe she's not. But the other part of with DeSantis, this is a very, very, very important group for him to get in front of. How he does that, I don't know. I'm sure his team is trying. But I love, let me say this again to you. I love that DeSantis is playing offense. DeSantis is the number one reason why Byron Donalds won. Say what you want. Not the tweet, not the endorsement. The number one reason why Byron Donalds barely won. Yeah. Barely won. DeSantis won by one and a half million votes. Tom, if I'm not mistaken, when DeSantis won, he won by one and a half million votes.

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2:01:09You know, 108. You know by how many votes DeSantis won the first election? 34 ,000. Whatever the number is, 30-something thousand votes. And he owes that to Trump making a statement a week ahead. That was the biggest thing with me when I said, hey, you don't give credit to that guy who supported you. That's the reason why you won. Second time, DeSantis won. Because he crushed it. But this time around, Donald's won because of DeSantis. Because how much of a phenomenal job they did in the state of Florida. So, I like that he's playing offense. I just, I'm speaking to you and your team, build better coalitions.

2:01:43This is all I'm saying. Build better coalitions. Yeah, this is him when he won. Look at this. It was 1.5. I told you, he won by 1.5 million votes. He almost touched 60%. He won by 1.5 million votes. And it went from 1.5 million votes by only 100 ,000 votes. If we do plus minus score, Byron Donalds brought it down by 1.4 million. That's what I'm saying to you. Yes, that's what I'm saying to you. And Donalds, Donalds isn't now. He's the state of Florida's governor. Donald has to build coalitions to make sure he doesn't lose the next time and become a one-term governor. This is a real thing that we're talking about.

2:02:16Because you know what Donald's – Yeah, I want to meet you for saying. They're saying we almost had him. Yeah, I know. So, Tom, your thoughts about DeSantis. Matter of fact, I'll come to you. Your thoughts about DeSantis and his moves, what he's doing. I like it, Pat, but just looking at the – I'm just coming as an objective viewer. I saw that lineup with J.D. Vance and everybody. Are the young people going to – Is there anybody on there that's exciting for you? Brandon Gill. Okay, that's the number one guy. Okay, let's go through it. Brandon Gill, exciting. Michael Knowles, exciting. Caroline Levin, exciting.

2:02:47Michael Knowles, exciting, or Michael Knowles, just very centered Christian? Is he appealing to the young? Because, Pat, you know, David Sachs came out, and he did the podcast where he said, Republicans lost to alternative media world. Tatum has a big following. Brandon Gill is awesome. He's talking young. I'm talking about the Shirley. Anna Paulina Luna, I would say yes. Riley Gaines I would say yes go a little bit lower Nick Shirley 100 % Nick Shirley is we've spent time with John Dole he's good but I want not a Charlie Kirk a Rogan a Charlie by Theo Vaughn Megan Kelly you need the people that brought you we lost that was alternative media was podcasters and we've lost it by the way I love what they're doing because they're trying Charlie Kirk Obviously, Pat, you've said it.

2:03:37We know this. One of one, irreplaceable. But how is Ron DeSantis, which, mind you, to me, he's the frontrunner. I think he's going to be the nominee, the young voters. Because what did the left do, Elon? What did the left do? Mind you, look at the names that David Sachs mentioned. Tucker, Theo, Megan. 100 % anti-what? Anti-Israel, stop this and the war. Where's Ron DeSantis' point? Because you guys know what the left is going to do. Is he pro-Israel or is he? What is Ron DeSantis' stance? I honestly don't have to. He's pro-Israel. Is he pro-Israel? Yeah, but. They're going to use, I'm just saying, and he's my guy, because I love what he did here, and I think he's right now going to be the guy.

2:04:13They're going to use that. You know it's coming, and they're going to use it against him. You know that's going to come. Yeah, but Trump just ended funding to Israel. I mean, there's going to be a natural, Israel in its own admission wants to have more authority over its own country. So I think there's going to naturally be by 2028 a bit of a distancing just for the benefit of our nation. My biggest fear is that we give away the election because of Israel. I could not understand that. If it means we have to not talk to them for six years. Ignore them for two years. I don't care what it is at this point.

2:04:46Don't talk to them for two years. I don't know how this became a central issue. You have DSA Democrats calling for Nuremberg trials. I don't know why you're surprised. Do me a favor. Can you pull up? Nuremberg trials, guys. That's what's being called for. Not Israel. Nuremberg trials. An old friend of mine who is a nine-degree black belt, Morteza Alborzi, send this to me early this morning. Can you pull out what I just sent you? This is what I want you to watch. And by the way, if this doesn't do anything, forget about it, move on. But this is what's going on. Expansion is expansion. And you've got to give credit behind closers of what's going on.

2:05:16If you guys got it, can you just pull it up? I sent you this one picture. Just check your text. I sent it to you right there. Zoom in a little bit. All right, this is from 1950 to 2026. Look at the number of mosques in Europe in 1950, top left. Weasels. And look at the number of mosques now in Europe on the top right. Look at U.S., bottom left, 15 mosques in 1950. Today in America, 3 ,150 mosques in America and growing and growing. So you're worried about Israel? Okay, go ahead and see what happens in 20 years and 30 years and 40 years and 50 years. So for some of you guys that don't know how to tell this story and you're like so worried about walking on eggshells, To me, my relationship with any of this stuff, as you're going through it, I think DeSantis knows how to tell this story the right way.

2:06:07I think he has moral authority. I think he has fight. I think he's going to need to build a coalition. You are not going to win the election without winning a coalition. What do we learn from different candidates? Some candidates, they're the smartest guys in the room, but they make you feel like a moron. And the average voter is not going to vote for those guys. You have to be able to deliver your message and land it in a way that the other guy doesn't feel like he's an idiot. Number two, likability score matters. Number three, coalition matters. Number four, the right campaign. When he asked Trump, he says, how would you like to be remembered 10, 20, 30, 40 years from now?

2:06:39How would you like your legacy to be remembered? You know what Trump said? I want to be remembered as the president that made America great again. And the guy said, I guess I set myself up for that one. He says, yes, I want to make America great again. Simple slogan, you know, being able to invite more people in without, not being uncomfortable losing a couple parties that are not going to be on your side no matter what you do. I just think DeSantis got a shot. He's got a shot, but he's got a lot of work. I know. He sometimes flirts with being in the camp of, I don't need your help. I got it. I don't need your help.

2:07:14I can do this without you. I don't need your help. I don't need your help. And I think the opposite is the truth. You need help. Absolutely. You need help. The part with Trump that's so flippin' unique is, dude, Marco Rubio was him and his partner. Ted Cruz, boom. Hey, Romney was seen going to the White House to meet with him. This guy will sit with anybody and everybody. He built coalitions. So I don't know if DeSantis naturally, it's in his personality to do that. I have to, Pat, just really quick, as you showed the mosque, this is 255 Muslim elected officials across only 26 U.S. states. But guys, El Saeed, who hated money in politics, PACs in politics, just launched the Habibi PAC.

2:07:57So we're ready to go. Oh, yeah, the Habibi PAC. And he said Michigan is Arab America now. To round up on DeSantis and PAC and go to the next story is, remember where I was? The thing about having a podcast, people can go look at what you said. And at the beginning of 2024, I thought that DeSantis, and this was my mind, I was doing logical checkbox analysis before the campaigning start. My logical checkbox analysis was, wow, I think he's honestly the best governor in America on the economy, on affordability at the time. Now he's got to handle the insurance crisis in Florida and he also has to handle the housing crisis.

2:08:36But now we're talking 2026. We're going to go back here in 2023, rolling into the primaries of 2024. And I had checkbox and Pat reminds me of it. It's like, hey, you know, why were you there? I thought he reacted, the hurricane's well, it was all checkbox. But then he gets the primary going, and I'm like, who's in your ear? You're not campaigning. That's what I said. You can't just hold up your checkbox. And you're my favorite governor of all time. In all of my 60 years, I've never lived in a state where I've had a more favorite governor than you. And I think that you got things done and you were there.

2:09:11But you can't hold up a checklist of smart policy and disaster response decisions and everything that you did on COVID. You were the right choice during COVID when everybody was freaking out. And you said, I thought sunlight was supposed to help that. We have a few beaches in Florida. Sit in the sunlight and let the UV rays attack whatever germs are hovering around you. He was right. And so then when the campaigning started and then we had him on the podcast, I went to Trump because you know what I saw? I saw the campaigner, and I saw people coming back, and I'm like, wow, this is where I'm at.

2:09:46So I didn't turn my back on him. I was disappointed, but I got behind the guy that won the campaign. Yeah, it's— And Governor, this is something— Campaign. This is something, Tom, where, you know, you need to hold the feet of the candidate. What's the frame? Put to the fire. Yeah, you got to do it. And it's simple. You know, when I told Byron Donald, hey, go up there and debate. You think he would have lost by$1.5 million? 1.4. He won, but the plus minus, he lost 1.4 million. He barely won because he didn't want to go talk to those guys and get in front of the audience. No. By the way, do you know what's the funniest thing about election night?

2:10:19He made a commitment. Do you know what's the craziest thing about election night? Do you know election night? We invited a lot of people, okay? And this is the game stuff that I'm not a fan of. Andrew Wilson's wife comes out and says, the moment Andrew started talking about Israel, they stopped him, right? Are you, like, serious when you say stuff like this? This is the dumb comments that people, I was respectful to him and his wife. Do you know how many people wanted to come on the podcast on Monday before Tuesday night? Out of all the people that were on the panel, there's only one person we put on the podcast Monday.

2:10:50And it was Andrew Wilson. Because I think he's talented, capable, and I want to hear him talk. And you know when they call me and said, hey, are you willing to come out and fly out and do the interview with Candace and host a debate? Yes. And they said, we'll pay for it. You know how much money I asked for him? Zero. This is the bullshit stuff that they do behind closed doors that drives me insane. It's like, oh, my God, they're this. You think James Fishback is pro-Israel? Mr. Andrew Wilson's wife, I was respectful to you. Do you think James Fishback is pro-Israel? Do you think that socialist philosophers that I have there, that I kept on the stage the longest, is pro-Israel?

2:11:22No. Who else do we have there? By the way, hey, here's another fun one for you, which I'm not a fan of. Randy Fine got an invitation. Yep. Do you know Randy shows up, and he sees James Fishback on stage? You know what he says? I'm not doing it. Hell no, I'm out of here. Runs out. I'm left. I'm not a fan of that. So guess what? Fine will never be invited back on the podcast. Never. You don't do something like that. You're afraid of something like that. I'm not a fan of these games. I don't play any of these games with you guys. I'm in it because I support simple, basic, conservative values. America first, raising family in a safe space.

2:11:54I don't have to worry about you manipulating my kids with LGBTQ bullshit stuff. They want to do that after 18. That's on their mind. You don't have to get in there and be involved. Low taxes allow people that are creating jobs to put the money in their pockets. Low capital gains. Leave a loan with the, what do you call it, the inheritance tax because some people are raped. The Bible tells you, leave something for your kids. People are doing this and you know how you want to tax it 100%. Who the hell are you? And in military, we need to be protected. All the other stuff is secondary. It's that simple.

2:12:23Security, the border, all that stuff is very simple for me that a lot of people are on that page. But when you start playing these games, when you start playing, by the way, James O 'Keefe got 30 seconds on stage. Yeah. 30 seconds. You know what's the first thing James O 'Keefe did afterwards? He went up on there and he tweeted and he says, thank you so much for Patrick for invitation. Grateful. Gratitude. Are you kidding? Like you think you're going above and beyond for a guy like Andrew Wilson. And you're like, hey, chirping, chirping, chirping. I gave you two and a half hours on a podcast the day before.

2:12:51That this is the kind of shit that low identity people that act like this, that you sit there and say, what the hell was this all about? What the hell was this all about? No, we're going to be in this game for a long term. and we have a certain position that we have. And we'd love to find a way to talk to everybody. I don't care if you're a left Pete Buttigieg and you and I don't agree on 80 % of everything. I want to talk to you. I don't care if you're Westmore here. I want to talk to you. I don't care if you're, you know, a, what do you call it? A Nick Fuentes. I don't care if you're the guy from, what was that one group that we brought?

2:13:21Thomas Russo, whatever his name was. I want to talk to everybody. As long as, and my rule is very simple. I had a call with one of the guys who came to our podcast. I had him on a couple times, but I called him to the office one day. He knows who he is. I won't mention his name. He came to the office. I sat him and I said, you know how ridiculous of a communicator you are? I said, you are so talented, but here's your problem. You keep using this N word. You keep using that word. You keep using this word, and you're tightening your audience. I can't have you on if you keep doing that. Well, I'm just, no, no.

2:13:52I don't. Again, I have very basic stuff, and even Hasan Piker. He was invited to be on with Nick Fuentes. Hassan Piker turned it down. I wonder why. So guess what? You want to come down, talk to your equal. Both of you young, both of you guys have influence. Are you willing to do that? You have the invitation. Come on down, have the conversation. Let's see what's happening. Both of them have a big influence. On the right for you, Nick Fuentes had the biggest live stream. On the left, Hassan Piker may have had the biggest one on the left. So both of them have influence. But the part for me is conversation, conversation, conversation.

2:14:24I don't play any of these bullshit games that some of you guys play. It's not everybody. It's a small community. So my challenge to Ron DeSantis is go talk to people and build coalitions. Don't like what Randy Fine did. There's a reason why people look at that and what do they say? You know, you accepted my invitation. Now you want me to control who I'm inviting? You don't get to make that decision. By the way, I also don't have to keep you, meaning you can leave if you want to. But I get to tell the story that you left the moment you saw fishback. You left the moment you saw fishback. Okay, great.

2:14:57The market needs to know you're afraid of talking to people. Why? Why? We gave you the number one live stream for podcasters on the center right. Are you going to be on C-SPAN giving you argument? Do not be afraid of giving you argument. We have the best argument, but you need the backbone. We have the best argument, but you need the backbone. And the hope of what's going to happen with the conservative movement, God's on our side. Ideas are on our side. Numbers are on our side. Facts are on our side. Raising kids that become net positive to society who contribute on our side, raising people that are willing to wear the uniform, go proudly represent their country is on our side.

2:15:37You have the best argument. Double down with conviction. And to everybody else out there, whether it's to Andrews or some of these other guys, that I think Andrews are a very big talent. I think Candace is a talent. And I may not agree with some of the things Candace does sometimes, but I think she's a talent. I think TPUSA, the husband, created an incredible legacy. You better continue the coalition building. You know who you are. If you don't, that was Charlie's strength. He built coalitions. If you no longer build coalitions, you're not going to get the results that he was building. So with that being said, I don't even know.

2:16:14I didn't have this in the agenda to go talk like this to you, but at the end of the day, the future looks bright. We're excited about what's happening. and I hope the right people find each other and get tougher, confident, excited because we have the better argument. We have the better argument. Anyways, with that being said, have a great day. I think we got home team podcast. We'll do again when? Friday. We got a couple interviews that's going to go out today. And if you believe the future looks bright, go to flb.com, place your order, whether it's the shoe, the hats, the shirts, represent to the world that you believe the future looks bright.

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