Clavicular Reveals the Dark Side of His Viral Lifestyle | PBD Podcast #880

0:00I was extremely subhuman. Are these pictures online? Everybody sees the social media, Clav, but who is really Clav? Who is really Clav? Well, it was this case that was caught on video. You've seen Clav. You've seen the stuff that he's all over the place. How do you process that for young men? Yeah, you're not actually hitting yourself with a hammer, huh? Influencer Clavicular suffered overdose. Are you comfortable sharing how many girls you've been with at this age? Well, here's what I'll tell you. Influencer Clavicular to cut a deal with prosecutors. It was this case that was caught on video.

0:29You have contracts with these girls? I mean, like, so you're going to jail tomorrow. We'll start off with men, and then we'll go to women. I want you to score them from zero to 10. Pamela Anderson. Elvis, in your mind, you're thinking you're not the best guy in that room?

0:46Would you just say PSL God? Yeah. What does PSL God mean? Oh, buddy, that's gonna be tough. Who's the most beautiful woman in your life? Is there one for you? You go up to a girl and tell her that you just in your pants. The idea of having sex is not that valuable to a man or maybe to you. So if right now we went through your Instagram, how many DMs would you have of girls messaging you? This early in the morning? Because some of the stuff we've seen, the hammer, you know, hitting your jaw to make sure your jaw gets more chiseled. Walk through some of the advice you're giving. So that's something that is kind of just like a...

1:26brayden peters aka clavicular if you're a teen in your 20s you've seen him all over the place he just whispered to me that he started really going live about a year ago october of 2025 and he's blown up in 12 months he's everywhere and then also i said you know maybe to bring someone that makes sense. We got to bring somebody from the 90s to see how much things have changed with looks. We decided to bring a friend of ours, Antonio Sabato Jr. I think he's one of the only guys that had a 90-foot picture in, what do you call it? Square. Times Square when he was with Calvin Klein. At the time, where was you, Mark Wahlberg, a lot of you guys doing your commercials?

2:06And then, you know, People Magazine named you 50th most beautiful men, people in the world. I think you were even on the cover of Out Magazine, which maybe there's a little bit of pride to be on the Out magazine because the audience for Out magazine is mainly a lot of gay men who subscribe to that magazine. This guy was so handsome that, you know, everybody wanted to be with him. Left, right, center, straight, gay, didn't matter. So both of them a figurehead when it comes down to looks, and we're going to try to find out how much of this matters. We're going to talk if your looks helps you with your career, making money, not just women.

2:39But appreciate both of you guys for making the time to come down here. Thanks for having us. So who is Clab? What do people not know about you? Everybody sees a social media club, but who is really Clav? Who is really Clav? Well, I'm kind of someone that is a very objective and observant person. So kind of what was happening to me is I started off with just traditional, normie, fitness-related stuff because my parents had been doing some gym stuff. My mom competed in some bodybuilding shows in her day. So I had a home gym in my house, so I was messing around with weights. And I just started to do research into how to optimize my training, basic weightlifting stuff.

3:24And then as I got further into lifting, I started reading different forums like bodybuilding.com. And a lot of people were talking about like roiding. And I kind of found tests to be like, why would I be working out and putting in all this effort if there's a tool I can use to make my results so much more efficient, it almost felt silly to me to not go this route. And that kind of led me down this rabbit hole of, you know, all these different things like on the MISC forums that led me to, you know, reemphasizing my focus more towards the face than the physique. But it was still a very formative experience to have the bodybuilding stuff.

4:03Makes sense. And by the way, just out of curiosity, was there like a compliment? Was there something that you said? And, you know, because in bodybuilding, they'll say, girl looked at my biceps and she grabbed it. She says, wow, your biceps are so big. So they started training more, right? Or fighting a lot of times. A guy learned how to fight because he was bullied. Was there a moment that you said, I really like this feeling of getting a compliment? No, no, no. I had not really been getting compliments or anything like that. It was more so just there was a home gym in my house. There were some dumbbells.

4:36And I just kind of started getting into it. And it became something that was quite enjoyable as lifting is to many people for the first few years where it just becomes a part of your routine. And you don't really ask yourself any questions. It's just kind of, oh, I'm going to the gym. And it just once it's in your habit and once it's part of your routine, because I'm a very routine oriented person, like I eat the exact same thing for breakfast every morning, pretty much the same food every day. And if I'm in a good routine, things are great. But once I fall out of habit, it's disastrous. So very disciplined, very routine-based.

5:12Why the name CLAP? How did that come about? So this was back to the bodybuilding roots, is you would also see people who are working out all the time, having these perfectly optimized fitness regimens, and then you would see people as well who are completely untrained, and they would somehow have a wider frame, right, without doing any lateral raises, any of this shit, like spamming the side raises every single day. and what that's attributed to is something called their their clavicle bones right and this forms their bichromial width so someone with a really wide bichromial width which is their shoulder joint to their shoulder joint will always be capable of achieving a much wider by deltoid than someone who works out every single day for their whole life and this is kind of like was like a black pill which is like genetic determinism that kind of was like inspiring and led me more to understand about you know genetics and development and that kind of translated into like caring about the same things for the facial bones which are a lot more important.

6:18So that's kind of how the name came about? Correct yeah so it was an acknowledgement to the importance of the frame now how can somebody do anything about their own clav what if they you know is there anything that's the pill that's why it's brutal um is because you can't you know there's uh clavicular widening surgeries where i've seen people get like two inches added to their clavicles but it's really not that effective or really not that uh accessible to many people so it's really not worth acknowledging um but yeah no so that that's why it's like that's why it has the name how much how much time have you put into study and looks all of this because the way you describe the face there's no way somebody can give the breakdown the way you have given it without having put a lot of time studying it yeah um this was all throughout the years of of high school oh so you were interested in this in high school yeah what face got what person got you turned on to it it wasn't really a face it was kind of just like a transition from traditional bodybuilding and And what sort of happened to me is I actually fell down the wrong rabbit hole with that as where I was going to the gym and following this fitness advice that actually descended me and made me look worse.

7:29And because everyone's looking for an answer in life, whether it be spirituality was something I explored for a little bit too, whether it be weightlifting, because, you know, a lot of young men in today's generation are lost and don't have generation. So I go into bodybuilding. I'm like, okay, I want to make gains. So I put myself into a caloric surplus and I do what's called a bulk. where bodybuilders eat a shit ton of food. They get really big and puffy. That actually made me look worse, and I actually descended quite substantially. That era of the picture with the bad skin and the horrible acting, that was kind of like during the bulk era.

8:06So I was like, okay, so this really isn't my answer, so what is? And then I saw people spamming all these different black pill memes like there's no gym for your face or they would put a picture of a supermodel who had no physique whatsoever next to like a gym cell was what it was called. Put like a gym cell versus Chad. So this was like a brutal, like brutal pill for gym selling is like you could work out and achieve this like insane physique that the guy on the right has, but you're just going to get outshined to such a degree by this guy. Yeah, yeah. Who's a PSL God facially, but regardless.

8:44Would you just say PSL God? Yeah. What does PSL God mean? It's just kind of like a term that we use on the PSL forums to talk about the different top models and stuff. What does PSL stand for? It's just the three forums that people would post on. They don't exist anymore. Now it's on looksmax.org. Yeah, so that's kind of where it comes from. Yeah, so those would be all the top models. It's just dialogue. People will make memes all the time. Like if you're not O 'Pri, like it's over, like just Lidar, stuff like that. If you have a method of immersing yourself on studying a topic, right? Yeah. If this wasn't your topic that you got obsessed about and you put that same energy into something else, what would that be?

9:33Is there anything else that draws you to it? Yeah. So I, for a long time, was extremely interested in history. So that was something that I kind of dedicated a lot of my time to. But that's not really productive in any way. So I dedicated a lot of time towards that. I had an era where I was studying theology for quite a bit, but I just kind of fully immersed myself in all this because there's so many different avenues to explore within LuxMaxing to get to the level of expertise that I'm at now where I can go on multiple podcasts a week and I can talk for eight hours in a row and it's all original content because there's just so much to dive into.

10:10There's all the different social dynamics and all the different stuff you could talk about there with dating. There's fitness. There's grooming. There's plastic surgery. Just all these different categories have to be fully understood. Yeah, I asked a question earlier for you. So you said something. The guys are texting you saying, I think Clav once said he would rather keep his hair than not be able to have sex ever again. True. You believe that? Yeah, because if I didn't have my hair, I'd be sexless. If you didn't have your hair, you'd be sexless. And what do you call all these bald guys that are having...

10:50Bald cells. You call it bald cells? What does that mean? Well, they're celibate. They're bald. They're not having sex. You don't think The Rock is having sex? Just be The Rock, bro. Just be 6 '2", you know, 260 pounds of lean muscle, and a multi, multi-millionaire famous actor. So I don't really think it's even worth acknowledging that because that's literally such a rare deviation from the norm. I mean, there is studies done of how much women like bald men. You don't think... Cope, which ones? Really? You don't think... Which studies exist? There's no study that... So you don't think women like bald men at all?

11:35No. No, no. Bald... So having hair is a youth indicator, not only that, a health indicator. I would use perplexity AI for this. And I wouldn't necessarily attribute it to them liking bald men. Maybe they like dimorphic males. So I think you might be referring to studies on dimorphism more or less, which is like overall masculine. Tell me more. Unpack it for me. What's the difference? Dimorphism is being either more masculine or more feminine, so it's a spectrum male to female. So it's ideal to be dimorphic and masculine, but you want that dimorphism to come from stuff like a wide and tall jaw, like we were talking about with Tom Brady, not necessarily being bald.

12:21That puts you more into the ogre spectrum. And being at the farthest end of the dimorphism spectrum actually isn't ideal. So it's good to be somewhere in the middle. Okay. So, so, um, bald, so you think that the goal, is this specifically just you or you think the goal, the, the idea of having sex is not that valuable to a man or maybe to you? No, it is. But simply what I'm saying is I would, I value, um, sex. I think pretty much everyone does. It's one of the biggest parts of life. That's why it's, this is so controversial, the stuff we're talking about. but um i'm simply saying i want one you know the brutality that is being um you know sub-average male being bald you know because my hair i think is a huge halo so i think just losing the quality of life and losing the halo effect that i get from my hair wouldn't be worth the trade-off the halo effect wouldn't be the trade-off wouldn't be worth the trade-off yeah with the hair what do you put above hair oh i put face above hair so faces above hair what do you put about face well once again it just comes down to like we have to kind of scale these things out a little bit so you know like what type of face are we talking about it's like if we're talking about a Chad level face that's 8 out of 10 yeah maybe the person could get away without having hair like someone like Jeremy Meeks for example doesn't have hair but still is a Chad and looks good but you know someone who's a 7 out of 10 and has hair will probably still mock him this is the guy that got arrested or something happened to him yeah he went he went viral like 10 years ago five years ago yeah mailed him out of jail and now he landed a modeling contract from literally doing something that's uh obviously a negative he got you know a lot of positive reinforcement from that so that's the halo effect but if you're ugly and you go to jail It's perceivably negative.

14:24It hurts you on job applications to be a felon. But since this guy was so good looking, it actually wound up helping him. What do you think should be a goal in a young man's life? A goal should be to find a direction and really max out any metric that you can to be as well-rounded of a person as possible. You know, to slowly be working on a plan to build wealth, a plan to be more charismatic and interesting, some type of strategy to look smacks and build your physique. So I think those formative years, that's what it's for. Because if you do all those things, you could kind of go any direction in life, whether you want to be a politician or whether you want to be a journalist or someone who does radio and TV.

15:14Being better looking will benefit you in every single one of these paths. Purely on looks. Correct, yeah. Interesting. What do your parents think of what you're doing right now when you speak to them? What are they telling you? I see you everywhere, son. Yeah, it's kind of hard because it's unavoidable, right? And every single person sees it. Also, they're close friends. And I do a lot of stuff that is probably not a great look on them sometimes. So it's hard. But, I mean, they think it's a positive thing. Obviously, I'm quite successful from what I do. so it's impossible to hate about that uh and they were immediate they found out quite early into my career that i was doing social media but it was already monetized to the point where i didn't have to work a job anymore um so they were just like okay it is what it is they kind of will tell me sometimes hey don't do this don't do this uh but it's overall positive which one of these maxing things that's out there you think is the most dangerous one to not flirt with you see the height from Nigeria, went to get a penis enlargement.

16:17I think he ended up dying. Something happened to him. What is the one that, in your opinion, based on your studies? Self-surgeries. I would say self-surgeries are probably one of the most brutal things that you could do. Like I see people all the time. Self-surgery? Yeah, yeah. Self-performing, like brutal surgeries. And I'm not talking about stuff like, you know, doing like a fat dissolver that's got no risk of vascular occlusion or something like that or like you know there's like a very simple procedure but i've seen people even try to self-install like um dental appliances like an mse and i've seen people try to cut what's called their medial canthus and um with a knife down to give themselves like hunter eyes and stuff seriously yeah and it's all this like i saw a guy self-performed gynecomastia removal So all that kind of stuff is extremely dangerous and I don't think should be recommended.

17:12And it's called self-surgery? Yeah, self-surgery. Self-surgery is just performing like plastic surgery on yourself. What else would you put as a risk? Any of the other ones? Say you go to a doctor, is there anything that's too risky to even touch? Like even you wouldn't touch it? Well, there's a lot of stuff with pharmaceuticals. I don't really think that anyone should be using pharmaceuticals, like trt without the direct supervision and approval of a doctor it's the biggest thing because what will happen if you if you just decide hey fuck it i'm just going to start taking testosterone and go on trt and you don't understand how to prevent hair loss and all the different side effects that occur uh maybe you you go bald and you actually end up worse off that being on trt than not you know what i mean so you need that doctor supervision and that careful care.

18:01Anything you've seen on height maxing? See guys getting their whatever they're doing to add additional six inches? Yeah, so the risk of that is there's certain clinics overseas especially that you can have one of the screws you could get an infection from. So it needs to be removed. You need to be on three-month antibiotic course while you're hospitalized. You're in a hospital bed. You can't move. You do the antibiotics, and then they re-screw the osteogenesis device. So it's quite brutal. So I'd say that's a little bit less risky to do things that are under the care of someone with medical licenses.

18:37Even though the surgeries look quite invasive and quite brutal, the mortality rates are quite low. The risk of infections are quite low. And even if you get an infection, it sucks and it prolongs the recovery process, but you're not going to die. But once again, I don't really like to recommend. And so surgery, in my opinion, this is how I define it from a true looks max in context. This is how I was always talked about. It's meant to fix facial phalos, not create halos, right? So if you've got a nose that's like super, super over projected, your dorsal hump is just comical and it just like detracts from your face and it's truly like a huge block in your sexual and dating life.

19:27is it worth getting a rhinoplasty? I think it's fair to say yes. You know, that's a very low cost surgery. It's not very invasive. There's not a lot of risk to it. And I don't really think it's fair for someone who is extremely good looking genetically to hate on that person for taking that route because you've never had to deal with celibacy and loneliness. So I think that's fair to say. But what I don't think is right to advise for is someone like Rinaldo, who's got maybe a few millimeters of mandibular recession, to get a double jaw surgery. I think that's probably not advisable because it gets to a spectrum where the risk to reward and the ROI is no longer ideal.

20:13So it's like a math equation. I would say that always do things with careful research and the supervision of medical professionals because this stuff that I talk about can be quite risky if done ineffectively. So I just want everyone to be safe and be healthy. You've seen Clav. You've seen the stuff that he's all over the place. When you see how much looks mattered back in the 90s when you were coming up and you getting all the eyeballs yourself versus what it is today, what Clav is doing, how do you process that for young men? Well, first of all, I've got to give this kid credit for what he's doing.

20:50It's amazing the clout and the amount of attention he's been able to get at 20 years old. It's incredible, especially with the technology. So good for you, man. And I think he's a very smart kid that knows his priorities straight, and he's not afraid to speak it, just like myself. I think the times have changed dramatically. You know, in my time, you didn't have social media. You had to go to an audition. You had to get hired based on meeting that person one-on-one with the team. It took a while. And so if you made it, you were competing with a lot of people in a different way. all you had is media was TV.

21:21We didn't have computers, cell phones, and texting, and all the amazing stuff that you guys have right now, and that I'm using, that you're using, everybody's using. So it's a different world, you know, but for him to adapt, because right now, listen, he's talking about fitness, he's talking about being healthy. Those are good things to have. America used to be the greatest country in the world as far as fitness. We had kids going to high school training, doing push-ups. Now this country is the fattest country in the world. So it's not like he's going like, oh, I'm better than you. I'm like, I want you to get better for you.

21:52I'm 20 years old. He's making millions of dollars every year by the fact that he's training, he's staying healthy, he's explaining to people about peptides, I'm sure, and all the stuff he's doing. So those are good things to have. Antonio, let me ask you. Even back then, some people look at your pictures and they say, you know, extremely good-looking guy. Were you putting anything in your body in your 20s? No, never. Anything? I started doing TRT with my friends at Dr. Asandra in Beverly Hills. I love you, man. A few years ago. Because I'm 54 and I want to keep training and racing cars. Up until then, you weren't doing anything in your life?

22:28No. Never took any peptides. Never took any steroids of any kind. I've done other drugs that I'm not happy about. I went to rehab. Those are pills and sleeping stuff. But as far as steroids, never have. Never have. Train my... How about surgeries? Never had any surgeries. Nothing on your face? No, just Botox once in a while. Probably Botox once a year or whatever. Or every two years. I'm pretty good. But I take care of myself. I eat healthy. I train seven days a week my entire life. I competed. I've done things that most people my age will never do. I'm racing professionally right now. I boxed last year.

23:05So I always do that. But I have to give credit to, you know, peptides. I don't want to take them because, you know, I don't believe in them for me, for my body. But I give him credit for explaining and working for him, you know. But, yeah, I just started recently. Clever did. For the audience that maybe doesn't know you, because remember, it's an older audience maybe here. So maybe share a little bit about your background on how you came about where you are today. So I sort of came to an early realization in life that looks were the metric that really drive, you know, a good quality of life or a terrible one in a quite brutal reality.

23:44especially when it comes to dating right so it just kind of made sense to me to try to optimize this as much as possible even if it seemed you know too involved even as if it seemed like you're obsessed with looks maxing I don't necessarily consider that a bad thing you know because of how because of how important this metric is right so you we have a lot of dating app statistic that's been published that shows like really really brutal stuff that like 80 % of the profiles don't even get acknowledged. So I don't know if you guys are familiar with something called hypergamy. Yes. I don't know if you talk about this in your show at all.

24:22But with the nature of hypergamy today, you really have to compete at such a high level and you have to maximize every single metric, even outside of looks, that this just is a level of competition we've never seen before. And it's funny, the thing that you're saying about Instagram and how it's it's something that didn't exist that was actually beneficial to people that instagram didn't exist because they weren't going to be competing on a global level with you know people like yourself um they were only really competing with that small you know 20 mile uh local radius of other guys um not international you know models and uh soccer players we saw like the one thing with the uh the one soccer player who dm'd the guy's fiance of five years and ended that relationship so that's kind of like a new thing and only seen with this generation so i'm kind of like you know the answer to this uh this problem is the advice i'm giving so and what what is the advice you're giving maybe walk us through because some of the stuff we've seen the hammer you know hitting your jaw to make sure your jaw gets more chiseled walk through some of the advice you're given so that's something that is kind of just like a headliner that everyone loves to grab because it's just like yeah you're not actually hitting yourself with a hammer i don't bone i mean i box i don't like to get hit but you don't bone smash anymore i haven't bone so you used to bone smash yeah correct did you ever bone smash or no no i i want to smash someone in case i have to smash but you yourself your jaw you never no i don't know was that even a thing on bone smashing or no was it i never heard this bone smashing okay because i want to hear about it i want to hear about it so bone smashing is something i've talked about very very briefly but because of like you know how insane and new it is uh that's what sort of gets all the attention when uh if you actually listen to me in a long form setting, a long form context, it's really not what I talk about at all.

26:13I talk about quite similar stuff. I'm sure you do about just traditional fitness and caloric restriction and all that kind of stuff. So it is quite frustrating to me that that sort of like overtakes a lot of my good advice because it's just so outrageous. But walk me through your philosophy. So if you're talking about maxing, like, what do you think the average guy because you did make a very good point back in the days if no there's no instagram you're dating somebody that's super hot in your local community you don't have to worry about 80 people dm 'ing them and taking your girl away from you today if she's hot you better believe the bigger guys are going to come and find her and snatch her away from you so that didn't exist back in the days so a lot of times in local communities a guy that's an average looking guy could be dating a hottest looking girl in town but you're not going to be able to do that too much today.

27:04So what advice would you give to young men today? So I'll give a little bit of a little bit more context to the equation here. So there was, you know, a lot of red pill stuff that was going around the internet, a lot of like pickup artistry and people talking about game. You would see all these videos like Yad the Great, where they're teaching like all of these really, really unattractive guys how to cold approach women. And you would kind of see that The one thing that was missing from the nuance provided was that different looks levels were going to perform much differently, even if the exact same thing was said.

27:39So there's no magic opening line or no magic posture that you have to maintain while you're talking to a girl. Really, the results are going to be mainly driven by your looks level. And that was just something that was never stated up until quite recently on a mainstream level. What about confidence? There could be a lot of guys who are not the guy that you're talking about, but they're confident in themselves. You bring a lot of confidence into other people. Like, you know, there's genetics, right? People are genetically, you know, for whatever family or whatever. But you could always bring that genetics to a different level, to the best level, and also bring that positivity into their lives and going, you know what?

28:17If you're confident with your life, you can create jobs around you. Like, you can make money. You can, you know, do you believe in that as well? No, you're absolutely right. And that's why it all comes back to Instagram and hypergamy, because even if you look, Max, even if you apply all this stuff and you're not confident, someone else somewhere in the world will also have done the same. But they'll have great confidence. They'll be extremely charismatic. So it is quite unfortunate that you have to compete at this high level where literally everything matters. So it would be ridiculous and ignorant for me to say that being confident.

28:47He brings a good point right now that I just realized. In my time, our leaders, or at least people that we looked up to, for me, were Steve McQueen, Paul Newman, my father, James Gardner, Marlon Brando. Who do we have now that is leading in these movies? We're looking great on camera. We're coming out going, you know what, I'm a leader here in this film and bringing up positivity. We have just a few. We had guys that were racers, boxers, Charles Bronson. Who would you say today is a man's man? Me. I'm the only one left, man. There's not many, man. Who actually lives their life? Big names that are man's man today.

29:25Well, Tom Cruise is still doing it. You know, Tom Cruise is still doing it. I think Tom Cruise is one of them. I think Brad Pitt is still doing it. I agree. And a few others, maybe. What does that mean? That are still living the life of being a top, but also maintaining their fitness, the stars that they are in their persona. When I saw Steve McQueen or when I saw my father walk in the room, you know there was a star there. There was somebody I want to look up to, I want to be like. If you watch Steve McQueen, these guys, I don't know if you ever watched these movies, but these guys portray life in a whole different...

30:01If you watch Bullet with Steve McQueen right now, you want to drive in that Mustang right now. As soon as you... You know, they brought that class, the class, the t-shirts, the this, the that. They look great. What's different today? Right now, it's like, whatever. So, yeah, we actually have a different... phrasing this now, it's sort of someone called a mogger, someone who mogs. And what this comes from is a mog. It's alpha male of the group. So usually the person who just stands out the most, usually they're the tallest, have the best frame, the best face. So if you were to take a group photo, your eyes are drawn to them immediately because they have the best looks package.

30:40So that would be someone who mogs. It's kind of what you guys are describing, it seems like. Yeah, I guess maybe let me ask you, who do you think is today's man's man? Like if you were to say that is an example of a man, who would you say at 20 years old? Who do you look up to? Who do I look up to? In the entertainment world. Just period. Who do you look up to in any space? Am I correct in like you're asking me who mogs? Yeah. If the definition of alpha, male, amongst. More like a mogger in today's context, more like just someone who looks good. Yeah, who looks good for you? But in the entertainment world, who are you like, oh, man, that guy?

31:19But I don't think I'm asking that question. Let me ask the question, Antonio. What I'm asking is, who do you think today is a man's man who is winning in all aspects of life, not just looks? Or does that even matter to you? Do you even quantify that? That doesn't really matter because a lot of the times, like the overly red pill, like man's man stuff, you know, smoking cigarettes and doing all the drinking beer, like this is so manly it's actually like really cope no no not that kind of man talking about the man that takes care of his family takes care of his loved one takes care of his friends looks good everywhere gets up in the morning four four o 'clock every morning and works hard for his family who looks fitting and and hangry and hungry for life that guy and everything he does it's the traditional gentleman um yeah that guy hmm well james bond you know what i mean that guy Yeah, something like that.

32:12Well, maybe my dad. I mean, my dad works every day. Oh, yeah? My mom doesn't have to work. Yeah. Paid for private education for me and my sister. That's good. I guess all you could say. Your pops, your dad. Yeah, yeah. I love that. I love that, too. Can you say a little bit more about your dad? Yeah, so my dad started his own company back in around 2000. and I was born 2005 so shortly after that and I have a younger sister who's you know five years younger than me as well and my dad has I don't know how much I should talk about I don't want people to you know kind of like go in and mess with this company and stuff but yeah he does some like IT consulting stuff so works very hard.

33:04So independently successful. Correct. And what did you see in him to say when I grow up I want to be like him in what areas well it was kind of just the thing about uh there was like no trust fund set up nothing like that and I was kind of raised in quite a similar way I mean I wasn't really getting uh any money from my parents I got my first job when I was about 11 years old uh working for a scooter rental company so um I was walking around town picking up these lime scooters bringing them to my house and charging them getting up at 6 a.m. every morning and bringing them outside. So the way that you were raised in that environment is quite important.

33:42So I'm glad he kind of helped keep me to the same standard that he was raised at. Otherwise, a lot of those kids with rich families are quite spoiled and arrogant, and it's just not something that's – it's just classless. If I knew you at 14 years old, we were in class together. We're both 14 years old. Who were you at 14 years old? You probably wouldn't know. I was there. I wouldn't probably say a word to anyone. I was quite reserved growing up, especially during my high school years. Once that whole COVID thing started and people were starting to wear the mask, online school, that was kind of like 2020 was March of 2020 was kind of like the last time I even attempted interaction, you know, during like my school years.

34:28So you were kind of to yourself? Yeah. I mean, I would go multiple days without talking. Did you graduate from high school? I did. Okay, good. Yeah, so I graduated. You went to one high school only? Yes. I went to five. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I went to five different. Yeah, I wasn't a troublemaker or anything in high school. I would kind of just be in the library, mainly doing the research. Were you an A student? Yeah, I was a good student. Yeah, you're a good student. I can see you doing really well in school. Yeah, I did well. I didn't really. Sports? Yeah, for the first two years. but I wasn't good enough to play in college or anything.

35:02But you enjoyed playing sports and staying fit and all that. Yeah, I did. I did. I mean, my main thing was getting away from sports and mainly shifting into weightlifting because I found it to be more productive. Good for you. And my parents kind of told me, listen, you're not going any further than sports. We're not going to spend the money, which is quite sensible. When is that light that clicked in for you to go, I graduated from high school, which is 18, right, 17, And then at 20, you're on top of the world. So what happened between that high school and go, I'm going to do this for my life right now?

35:33Did something click and go, I'm going to venture into social media? It was more of like a brutal crash. What happened? So right after that, I go into my senior summer, work my summer job, everything. And then I go into university. So I was a freshman. Majoring in what? What were you going to do? Just business administration. That was kind of like more of a placeholder type thing until I kind of figured it out because it's just too early to say at 18. When did you get comfortable with cameras? Like if 14 years old, were there friends creating content? Were there others that were YouTubers in high school?

36:07Were there kids that you kind of saw and said, hey, I got 828 subscribers? Was there anything like that in school? No, no. But in a weird way, I was kind of always comfortable with talking to a camera rather than talking to other people because I was talking to an audience that fully understood me just on these super niche forums. Everyone had the same experiences. It's not like you're posting to YouTube and people don't really get it. Today's day and age, I have to go a lot further in explaining myself, but back then when I was just posting on these small niche groups, it wasn't too hard. There's content that dates back to when I was 14 years old making YouTube videos.

36:50that's good um so there's a lot of different stuff out there at 14 years old yeah i was just kind of recording myself more just like ranting and and giving kind of updates i'm not sure why i did it but thank god i did you know it wound up benefiting me but anyway i go into school and uh you know the fall of 2024 and i lasted about three weeks and then um i i was documenting all the things that i was doing peptide related all this kind of stuff someone sent it in anonymously to high school. And, um, how early, how old are you at this time? I would have been a freshman. I would have been 18 or 18 in college.

37:27Yes. Okay. Got it. So somebody sent it anonymously to school. Yeah. And then, uh, I get back from the cafeteria. There's all my different peptides, you know, laid out in my room with a bunch of like administrators. And, uh, yeah, that was the end of it. How did you get introduced to peptides? I got introduced to peptides just from being on all these different forums, you know, a lot of like the ideology and, you know, different stuff came from people talking about it. And then me going a step further and researching just further than anecdotes, because you really can't take people's anecdotes on Reddit and stuff and say, hey, I'm going to do this exact thing.

38:03You really need to be going to your doctor, you know, as well as doing research yourself, because I still think that blindly, you know, putting all your faith into doctors who got their degrees 20 years ago is, is completely an ideal. I would even go further as to say that with the new chat GPT models, I actually trust chat GPT for medical advice a lot more than I would trust your everyday MD. But are you on TRT right now? I am. But don't you think that your testosterone level being at your age is the highest it will ever be? Actually, are you blood-wise, on your blood work, are you low on T? No, no.

38:38So you want to be at the highest, what, 1 ,000 every day? I want to be around 2 ,000. 2 ,000 every day? 2 ,000 and 20. But doesn't that give you a little bit of like... 1 ,000 to 2 ,500. Nanograms per deciliter, yeah. Yeah, so that's a lot. Something that's never been naturally achieved, so... No, you're right about that. So yeah, it's like I could be at a high level, but if you... But you know that if you will stop, you'll never like, you know, it will change. Your metabolism is so aggressively attached to that TRT right now at your young age that you'll never have... Basically, you'll be on it for the rest of your life.

39:11Right, so your endocrine, system uh goes on pause uh and the longer that you're on you know and the longer that your your lsh and your fh aren't being signaled yeah you're absolutely correct sex drive has got to be like i didn't tell you my right now my trt is every day i gotta have like oh yeah no absolutely my partner i'm having you know intimacy seven days a week well that's good that's good right but do you feel like your age would be even double it because you're so much younger your testosterone is producing you know right yeah yeah yeah no usually um i have sex like multiple times a day yeah um you know so i'm still there at my age because of the trt but to see him at his age going through that it's fascinating so let me ask what what is your long-term vision like do you sit there and say by 40 by 50 by 60 i'd like to be here is there a vision for your long term no no i just like to take things one step at a time because i'm still kind of figuring things out i don't claim to be you know some expert some completed package i think people kind of like the content that i create because it's still like i'm still on the journey of figuring out how to be more charismatic how to be more sociable and interesting uh when i'm talking to women you know all this kind of stuff um so like trying out different things like for example i did a stream yesterday where we're doing cold approaches like working on you know talking to girls and working on game so it's it's like i just don't know the way the world yet you know i'm 20 years old it's not my job anything does anything concern you long term do you sit there and say man i hope i get this part right and i hope i don't screw this part does anything concern you long term i mean i have my concerns about society not myself i think just the direction that dating is moving um he's a free flyer man he's just like living his life but i want to hear from him so continue i'm listening so i just don't want people to start to form resent because of a harsh dating market and loneliness often does that right when you look at this statistic that two-thirds of men 18 to 21 haven't had sex in six months that is is really hard to say to those people not to be uh depressed not to be resentful what's the age of the opposite sex what's the age of these men that don't have you said 18 to 21 oh sorry i didn't hear that 18 to 20 okay yeah so um with this being like a large percentage of the population you just don't want people to do this thing where they start you know hating on women and stuff and that's cringe that's not going to get you anywhere just being super negative so we want people to to go on a different route which i believe to be a lot more positive and taking up self-improvement um you know what i mean i agree and i would be completely uh ignorant and just blatantly lying to say that yeah genetics do play a huge role and person a and person b are going to be able to achieve vastly different results, even with all the looks maxing in the world or no looks maxing in the world.

42:10But it's good to at least start somewhere because you can't marginally change your life by improving even 20 percentiles. What do you think matters the most? Like if I ask both of you guys this question, we've got three different guys. One guy is 5 '7". You know, he has a perfect 10 of a face. Like flawless in your standards, he's a 10 on his face. but he makes$50 ,000 a year. Number two is a guy whose name is Bobby. First guy, let's call him John. The 5 '7", perfect face, makes$50 ,000 a year. Bobby's the second one. He's 6 '4", not really good-looking, average face, makes$250 ,000 a year. Third one is worth$100 million.

42:50He's below average face, 5 '10", extremely charismatic. Who's going to do better with women between the three? well there's just a better with women in what way because the person who is confident he's super confident the the person who is going to do the best with you know securing one night stands is going to be the 10 out of 10 face the person who might be able to have the most consistent long-term relationship might be the person who offers the most financial stability um so it's just like it's really depends on your goals what exactly are you trying to do uh and i don't think that necessarily going for one night stands and slay streaks is something that's a productive thing so you could say yeah this this person might be achieving the result but the result is not not leading to anything further it's actually very thoughtful answer you know to to think about it that way because that makes if you are trying to go to a nightclub and get one night stands it's going to be the first guy what would you say to the answer here and nowadays i i say the hundred million dollar guy will always get laid automatically yeah that's just a short thing but the good looking guy will will find someone to sleep with now it depends what kind of guy that is you know if he has high standards you know whatever if he just wants to sleep with girls whatever but also i think times have changed where girls in america girls are different than anywhere else around the world so we have to separate the two like european women or south asia they think differently american girls i think for most part in the society we live in in a realistic world only care about money are you guys ready for this yeah you know beta bucks while alpha fucks just remember that yeah say it again beta bucks while alpha fucks okay so what that basically means is um the guy with all the money the hundred dollar you know the hundred million dollars or whatever, uh, you know, he's basically just going to be offering the financial stability to get that relationship, maybe buying girls expensive items and putting them up in a huge multimillion dollar house.

44:59Um, so yeah, there's that method that, but that's being a beta. The girl's not actually physically attracted to you. So the true love doesn't exist. Right. Whereas the alpha doesn't necessarily need to do all that. Um, they're just going to be able to, you know, sleep with the girl upon meeting them without any of this effort involved. Also, the alpha will also look for the true love. If he finds, do you believe that you will find the one for you that you will be with and only her intimacy and everything else? I'm a pretty optimistic guy. Oh, do you want it? Do you want it? Would you? Yeah, I think so.

45:35No, I certainly would hope that happens. But just the way that dating is trending, I think it's very difficult. But I still have my hopes up. Is it difficult in finding that person or is it difficult? Just with the society that we live in. If you did find that person, would you be faithful to that person only and just say no matter who is here, if it was true, you would, right? Yeah, but that's also a hard one too because I'm so incentivized with my career. You're 20 years old. I mean, you've got the rest of your life. Well, it's just like, and you also have a community of people that watch you to go out into nightlife and pick up women because a lot of it is like a, it's almost like a documentary and a showcasing of the world and where we are with hypergamy when I go out and do these streams.

46:22And like, because there's like a lot of like brutal black pills that happen that, you know, you just never guess. Like, for example. But do you sleep with a different girl every night? Like for most part, how do these girls feel? Like, do they get attached to you? I mean, I would think some of them probably don't want to leave you ever. So what actually happens is the more sexual partners someone has, the more their pair bonding abilities diminish. And this is true for both. What do you mean pair bonding? Explain that. So there's different neurochemicals that release when you have sex that are made to create a bond between partners so that relationships can last.

46:58But you're just damaging this process the more sexual partners that you have. As the male or as the female? Both. Okay. It works in a bit different. So the neurochemistry is different, but it still occurs to a degree for both. Please continue. So anyway, that just is less likely to occur when you're in a promiscuous environment like Miami, where most people on the street, if you ask them, how many sexual partners have you had, it's in the double digits. So it's quite unfortunate. Let me ask you a question, Antonio. This question's for you. Sure. So pre-fame. Pre-fame, yes. Pre-fame, no one knows who you are.

47:33Right. Are you still, would you still be in your 20s pre-fame? Like what age did you become famous? I became famous or known at 17 when I did the Janet Jackson video. When I was first on that video with Janet, who was directed by Herb Ritz, one of the best videos ever, I was known all the time. Which video was this? Love Will Never Do Without You. Love Will Never Do Without You. So that puts you up. Now, fame-wise, was it when you walked outside, people knew who you were or not? They knew. I was like, is that guy from the video? Okay, so this guy right here? Yeah, that guy right there. That kid.

48:06Okay. Yeah, I was a messenger. I was driving around in L.A. delivering. But do you think after that, was it full-on fame or not yet? So when would you say your fame became where you couldn't go anywhere without people recognizing you? General Hospital. So that's 92? That's 20. I was 20 years old. 92, yeah. Okay, 20 years old. So let me ask you. Pre-20. Yep. Were you good with women? Were you a womanizer? No. Not really. I came from Rome, Italy. I had to learn the language. Italian was your first language. I was born in Rome, came here legally in 1985. I had to speak the language. My dating in high school was awful.

48:41At 20, how many girls have you been with? Not many. Give me a number by the time you were 20. He's 20 right now. Just maybe less than, I don't know, five maybe. At 20, you've only been with five girls. You know what? My life, I really want to be with the girls I want to be with, even later on in life and specifically, clean because my sexual sexually for me is everything i don't just sleep with anybody but let's stay on it's funny because most most of the guys you ask them that same question not many five you know yes these guys they say zero you know what i mean so that's why so but this is the part this is the part i want to go so you're 20 are you comfortable sharing how many girls you've been with at this age i couldn't tell you that you you couldn't no is it more than 100 is it okay so now watch this here's a question i want to go with when you went on your run was Is there ever a run where you are like running through girls left and right?

49:33You couldn't go to it? Okay. Yeah. In that run of yours, how long did that last? How long did I make it last? Because I got in relationships. So it's probably a few years. And during that few years, how many girls did you go through? Not as many. No, not that I love. 50, 80, 30? You know, even if I was dating, for example, I wouldn't date two or three multiple girls at the same time. I wouldn't. So whoever I was seeing, I would either see them for a short period of time. So it wasn't many. So this is kind of where I'm going with this, Clapp. Just so you guys know if you're wondering what I'm thinking about.

50:07I'm thinking about how much the role of fame plays. How much the role of fame plays. So pre-fame with you, massive, right? So the pre-role of fame, walk me through pre-fame Clapp, post-fame Clapp, how things change for you. Well, here's what I'll tell you, just between what metric actually drives the success, looks or fame, looks or status. I would say that the level that I've achieved in terms of status is going to be hard to come by by many people, but it is ridiculous how easy it is to just open up Instagram and go through the DM requests, and there's probably about 50 to 100 inbound DMs of girls around the country What are the ages of the girls, by my ask?

50:56Usually about college age, around my age. All college girls? Yeah, yeah, usually. That's just the demographic that I have the most. So is it them coming to you or you're going out? I don't send outbound DMs. You don't send outbound DMs. So if right now we went through your Instagram, how many DMs would you have of girls messaging you? This early in the morning? I'm not sure. Maybe tell me last week. Last week. So that's the funny thing. it got to the point where I kind of had to outsource it to someone else responding to them. So I couldn't tell you, but just a couple dozen. And what are they telling you?

51:29Usually it's just some basic inbound request, like, hey. But sometimes it'll be something that's quite direct. Like, you know, I've even had messages like, Clav, you know, I want you to come, you know. I get those too, by the way. So they'll message you like that? Yeah, just like blatantly. And this will be like, or I've had girls message me like right off the rip, Like, can you fly me out? Stuff like that. And it's kind of brutal because, like, a lot of the guys that are at a similar looks level are probably just, like, wage cucking at, like, a normal job. Like, you know, sending her Snapchats all day.

52:05Meanwhile, she's DMing, like, a giga, you know, famous streamer to get flown out. Right. You know, this is, like, a phenomenon that we've never seen. What would make you move? What kind of girl would make you move to actually fly her out? Have you ever flown anybody out or anything like that? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. So the thing about that is it's just a lot easier to do that rather than like cold approach and stuff. With fame? Yeah. Once you have like the level of status that I do, you really should never like cold approach a girl again. It's just not logical. So then in sales, this would be a way of looking at it where you have inbound calls.

52:46People are calling you to buy your product instead of you're calling them to sell the product. It's always easier when people are coming into a gym saying, I want to buy a membership. I want to buy a policy. I want to do something. So fame. So now let's kind of walk through this because I'm going back in high school and I'm thinking about the guy that landed girls and what he looked like. And then I'm going back in the military. One of the guys that got more girls than any of us combined, he was 5 '6", 125 pounds, not good looking, broke as hell. He had nothing going on for himself. He was very good at playing, what do you call it?

53:23Pool. Pool, billiards. He was very good at that. But if we went out, I don't know how many times we went out that he didn't land a girl. And there was nothing about him that you would say. He just would go out and he would go talk to everybody. He had audacity and he had, you know, ways of approaching. Then we had a guy who I'll never forget this guy. Approaching, that's a key nuance. And I want to get to this. I want to get to this with you because I want to give you both and I want you to give me insight on how both of you guys view this. Because a part of it is also both of your personalities is very different personalities from just talking to both of you guys.

53:58Then I had another friend clap. This guy was the best looking guy we had in our group. When I tell you best looking, it's ridiculous what this guy looked like. Face, perfect nose. We're Middle Eastern. You know Middle Eastern nose are legit. You rarely find a Middle Eastern guy with a perfect nose, right? He had the perfect nose, nice small ears, face was flawless, incredible physique, bodybuilder, small little waist, beautiful lats, beautiful body, danced better than all of us. But God forbid if you went out with this guy and one girl gave him a look or was not interested. He said his goatee was off a little bit.

54:33He's like, I'm not going to land anybody tonight. So how do you explain those two personalities? It's got nothing to do with looks or fame. How would you break that down? Can I have a pen and paper? Of course you can. Is that for you right now? Do you need a camera on this or are you just going to show it to us? I'll just hold it up after I'm done. It's a quite simple diagram.

54:55So this is called the Oofy Doofy Theory. Oofy Doofy Theory. Yes. Bear with me here. We're learning, folks. Oofy-doofy theory. So, oofy-doofy theory right here. So, this is a purgatory graph right here. So, basically, what's happening is from about the 45th, or really about 49th to 95th percentile, is a huge purgatory zone where these above-average-looking guys are attractive enough to potentially get slaves that are less good-looking than them or maybe get into long-term relationships with their looks maxed. But once they get into a relationship, the girl knows that they have other sexual partners.

55:38So they view that relationship as unsafe, right? The reason that the oofy-doofy theory works in these five, six jesters that are 120 pounds are able to get women is because the girl likes to dominate that relationship, dominate all the different things there. This guy was an alpha to a clap. This guy's an alpha. No, if it's an oofy-doofy, it's not an alpha. They feel safe with that man. There is nothing safe about this guy. Let me tell you why. I'll tell you why. They don't know that at the time. But I'm going to tell you this about this guy. There is nothing safe about this guy. Nothing. He slept with this guy's girlfriends.

56:12The guy's girlfriends wanted him. There was nothing safe about this guy, and he was super confident, alpha. Like, girls would go out with him. They were afraid of losing him. That's how he was. I can tell you what I think about that. I want him to finish his thought. I'm just pushing back a little bit. I want you to go a little bit. So maybe not that example, actually, but the Oofy Doofy theory. So women would actually go against eugenics in favor, uh, worse looking looks in, uh, in favor of security. Right. So that's a quite interesting phenomenon rather than dating their looks match the person who's at an equivalent level.

56:45Um, so if they can't, so they would rather, uh, ideally sleep with a Chad, you know, but if that's not possible, instead of a risky relationship, they want a safe option with oofy so so that part i get i don't think it applies to this concept because all i'm thinking about is this guy now walk me through the other guy walk me through the guy that's the best looking guy best physique best body lights out girls were crazy about this guy but he was a little bit hesitant and smallest thing would make him uncomfortable what do you call that um just someone who's high inhibition that's in a whole nother spectrum so you know your looks you can have all these looks you could have all this money but if you're not actually interacting with women in any way it's very unlikely that a woman is going to come up and talk to you right that's just it also feels like emasculating to have like a woman like old approach you you're just like sitting there in the corner of the bar all reserved it's not an attractive thing so that's why even if you go up to a girl and tell her that you just shit in your pants you're still doing better and you have better game than like 99 % of people because 99 % of people are too nervous to have an interaction with a girl in the first place.

57:57Were you confident to walk up to girls when you were 14, 15, 16? Like, did you go to homecoming? Did you go to any of those dances? No. So I've always been low inhibition, but I was very self-aware of my looks level at the time. And I was extremely subhuman. Extremely. Did you say subhuman? Yeah. At what age? Like 14 to 16. Are these pictures online? Yeah. Can you pull up Clavicula's picture at 14 or 16 years old? Because I wonder what to you is subhuman where the average man may disagree with you.

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59:03So that's you. Wow. That's at what age? That would be, I believe, 15 or 16. I don't know if I put you subhuman. I just think you're a 15-year-old that has some acne. Well, I would say, yeah, maybe I'm being— Tell me why. Maybe I'm being a little bit hyperbolic. Do me a favor. I want you to judge yourself here because I want to know how you view— pick one of the pictures, whichever one you want to go with. Do you want to go with this one? Yeah, I consider that like— So walk me through what makes you uncomfortable with your look at that age. Well, I would say that, you know, I'm horrible body composition.

59:36I was like a skinny fat type build. Got it. So physically, not face. No, no, face. I mean, horrendous, horrendous acne and skin complexion, shaved head, you know, so bloated face, just not ideal, you know. So I would rate myself in this time around like a 3 out of 10. 3 out of 10. Or 4 out of, maybe about 4 out of 10. And by the way, how different are you in that People magazine to the left versus today? Is that pretty much as updated as it is? No. Or have you done anything since then? That was about a year ago. So a lot of people say that was like the best time because I got super tan last year.

1:00:13You look ridiculous in that picture, by the way. So really, extremely. So what's different? What have you done, worked to yourself here versus the other one we looked at? Specifically with your face. Well, I'll be here for eight hours. if walk us through some of it but you know the the main highlights would be i had a rhinoplasty about two and a half months ago i had an otoplasty which is um where they suture your ears back to make them a little bit less uh over projected you call it otoplasty yeah otoplasty otoplasty okay yeah so um those were like the the two plastic surgeries that i've had and the rest of it is a combination of you know different pharmacokinetics so like you know taking testosterone and um nothing with lips what's up nothing with lips no filler no nothing i am anything with jaw no no no surgery with jaw no no i'm currently in the midst of an invisalign course but uh no i don't i don't this line is what teeth yeah yeah i'm working on that did you do anything did you have braces when you were a kid or i did but you know when you have braces and you you know have your third molar start to come in, it actually crowds your dental art.

1:01:23So you have your wisdom teeth? No, I got them removed. So I guess that's another one. Do you look at anything in your face and you said, I'm flawed here? Does any part of your face bother you today? I'm not someone who's like hugely negative and like, you know, body dysmorphia type of vibes. Yeah, I know what's ideal and I know where exactly I fall outside of the ideal, but it doesn't give me like this huge body dysmorphia. Is there anything else you feel you can improve? Like, is there anything else where you're like, I still got some work to do? So, yeah, I mean, just my physical fitness, like getting my physique back to where it was, because that was one thing that really suffered because of my streaming was my lack of consistency with my training.

1:02:06I'm super involved with my work and stuff, so I don't really work out consistently anymore. So getting back into that and having like a strong frame again, it would serve as a huge halo. So let me ask you for you. So one could watch on the outside. I hope you don't take this personally. Feel free to push back. One could say one is manufactured a little bit, right? Are you comfortable with that phrase? That's fine. Okay. One is manufactured looks. One is you're born like this, right? Did you yourself, because the experience I had, I was never the best looking guy. I had height. I know how to talk.

1:02:41I was very confident. So I didn't struggle with women where I could go and talk to them. That was my edge. and I was broke for most of my life. I mean, until 25, 26, I'm just a regular guy that's trying to figure it out. Did you, as good-looking as you were internally, and people not knowing this, but let me ask the question, I want to see what you're going to say. Sure. Did you ever, from the outside, people will look at you and say, my God, freaking God, that guy is so handsome. He must be landing girls left and right. Did you internally deal with insecurities where you're like, man, I'm not as good here, I'm not as good there?

1:03:13Did you have any of that? First of all, I was very humble. I'm still humble in my life. and the way I treat life in general. But at that age, especially at that age when I was like 14, 15, I didn't speak the language. I started training because I followed my father. I had a really good role model in my dad. I wanted to look like him. But, you know, I just kept training and training and using fitness and sports to build up my confidence because I didn't have any friends in high school. I couldn't speak to anybody. It was a very different time. So what I did was the will to survive in this country and the will that I have genetically from my family.

1:03:48I left high school. I didn't graduate from high school. I went to New York when I was 16. I followed my career as an actor. I wanted to do that and just train and get my body to look better and feel better. And I was very insecure about a lot of things. Then I went back to high school and got my diploma later on. I got it like three years ago. So it's my will to do what I wanted to do. You see that dream, and I just wanted to make it happen. Did you look at your face and say, man, I wish my nose, I wish my ears? Oh, all the time. I mean, like I would look at celebrities or actors, like I told you, I would say, I wish I looked like that.

1:04:22But at the same time, I was like so focused on achieving my goals that I never slowed down. I never felt sorry for myself. Do you know why I'm asking that question? Because to me, for whatever reason, the best-looking guys that were born with looks were the most insecure guys. Never understood that. the best looking guys that were naturally good looking they were extremely uh what do you call it about themselves what's the word i'm looking for it's uh self-conscious self-conscious about themselves it kind of there's a persona that goes with it i remember talking to another celebrity and said you're gonna have a problem because you know the way you look and i was like what do you mean by that and i was like i was like because you know you're gonna get all this stuff given to you i'm like it's actually the opposite in the opposite it was like very hard for me to do everything that i had to do from from scratch it wasn't given to me just because maybe i was that insecure inside and coming you know coming to a different country different mentality but uh you know the people that i was competing with and everything were people that were born in this country they spoke the language they they knew about the environment makes you mysterious well it's also it's quite brutal because people assume success uh if you're good looking right and and that's just something called the halo effect is how rude they assume that you're rude which you're not yeah right so you're competing against this preconception that people have because of your looks level right and unfortunately if you're someone who's reserved as as a good looking male uh and and people are going to assume neurodivergence right off the bat uh if you're not you know being super extroverted talking to all these girls being like the you know the most sociable guy in the room that's just expected of you so if you don't fall within this yeah They always say, what a nice guy you are.

1:06:05I'm like, what do you mean? Because good-looking guys are always mean. I'm like, that's what the persona is with people that take care of themselves physically, and they walk in the room going, I take care of myself. They always assume, well, he's not a nice person. Yeah, listen, there are guys like that as well that are good-looking, super cocky, and arrogant, and the moment they lose their looks, they lost their identity because their entire identity is around how handsome. This happens to women a lot when if there's not a core, deep strength and confidence, the moment looks goes, they all of a sudden do dumb things.

1:06:39And you're like, wait a minute. Why are you hanging out with an 18 year old? Why are you hanging out with a 22 year old? It's their way of saying when I was 18, 20 years old, everybody wanted me. So it's that desire to go back to it. But let me stay on this. I want to ask you guys both a question. And this is just purely prompted based on a conversation we had. So which of these do you think helps more? Fame, money, your looks, confidence, personality. When I say looks, you can put physical, maybe even body versus not face or face versus not body. But which of these you think automatically attraction comes even higher?

1:07:17Fame, money, looks, confidence. Where would you put that? I don't really think we could answer that question without hyper specifics on percentiles. right so are we talking like looks as in you know above average looks someone who's like a high tier normie facially like put all of them in the top 90 top tier 90 percentile plus so fame 90 percentile money 80 90 percentile looks 90 percentile confidence 90 percentile looks you would pull looks one well most important for what exactly landing girls looks you put looks number one hundred percent okay so if everything if all is equal yeah of course money is going to start to matter more when we're talking you know a hundred million dollars but i always find it funny when i do these interviews because they'll give such an absurdly exaggerated number for like the fame and the money or like use myself as an example of like the the status when it's just not really going to be something that's that's realistic for 99.999 percent of people so it's not really worth acknowledging i think we need to take things back to reality and even talk about like a salary of you know a hundred thousand dollars something similar that's fine but that's 80 percentile right even use that is that that's 80 100 100 000 is 80 percent so a little bit you're in the top 20 percent of income earners at 100k okay understood understood um but at what age range does that matter no take 25 35 anything between 20 to 35 and the other thing about money is unless we're talking about these absurd figures, it's not really going to make up for a lack of looks, right?

1:08:53So unless we're talking about$100 million, even if we go to the 95th percentile and someone's making, you know, maybe$750 ,000, that's not different enough to like really, you know, be able to carry it for like this looks disparity. And is this, Clive, is this mainly what types of girls? Because, you know, is it just landing girls or is it landing higher quality girls? Because there's qualities in it as well, right? I mean, you can go in a Miami because you said you came from Jersey, then you went to L.A., you were there for a couple months, and now you're in Miami, right? So it's a different market being here.

1:09:32Is it landing girls at nightclubs or is it getting somebody that's famous that's messaging you saying, Clav, I'd love to hang out with you? I actually don't really use my nightlife experiences in Miami has much of a testament. I think Miami, it's funny that people have this misconception about Miami. The girls that actually live in Miami are not really that good looking. A lot of it's, this is just a tourist hotspot. So the hottest girls that you'll meet in South Florida are vacationing for the weekend. You know what I mean? So I use my experiences from when I'm doing like my college tour, for example, and I'm in a small town in North Carolina, for example.

1:10:12the experiences really aren't that much different in a lot of different parts of the country. Where did you see the most beautiful girls around the world? Most beautiful girls around the world? Probably in, like, south of France, something like that. Yeah. South of France. Yeah, I agree. I think for the original question you said, I think confidence. I think the beauty of somebody walking in and that attraction will get you in the door. But I think the confidence, like, we see a lot of these reality competition shows when somebody walks on stage and they have that confidence about them. And you see all the judges going, yep, there's something there.

1:10:48And then the performance is there with it. So I think the confidence that people have coming into the room, the way they're dressed, the way they are, I think it's important. And I think that will get you. Yeah, everything matters. And also that's the other phenomenon you come back to is the halo effect, right? So if someone walks in and they're super good looking, good posture, you know they seem super confident totally acceptable but you walk in that same way uh but you're not an attractive male they're gonna say oh this guy's arrogant this guy has an ego um all that kind of shit so that's why it's it's really brutal yeah you know there's almost an expected persona behind every looks level yeah because we have so much social stuff in front of our faces how everybody wants to look like this and wants to look like everything else that they are i i try to promote in my tiktok places where just be yourself the best of you because don't try to be like i'm not going to try to be you you're not going to try to be me we're two different people so but if i kinda i mean like kind of i feel like you you kind of no we're similar don't get me wrong i think i could we could hang out you yeah i mean like the goal is kind of like to to be like what you were doing you know like doing yeah no no we're similar but i also think that i in my life, I'm not going to go in, my life is different than yours in a sense.

1:12:05I already lived your life in a lot of different ways. But right now, we are similar and we like the same things, you know, but at the same time, I wouldn't sleep with a different girl every night. That ain't going to happen. If I'm going to sleep with somebody who's going to have a connection, like the next day, I would get, I get worried to be sued by her. Do you have contracts with these girls? I mean, like they could say anything they want and pretend like you, I mean, there's so much dangerous with meeting a stranger and having sex with them. Correct. You know what I mean? You're absolutely right.

1:12:31I mean, they could say anything. Oh, he did this. You're going to jail tomorrow. That's why, like, not to be vulgar or anything, but, like, on the streams, it's nice because you can say to a girl, like, hey, do you want to have sex later? Yeah. And then you have that. You're protected by it. Right there. You have the footage. Yeah, you also have your liability contracts, being very diligent with IDs. Oh, that's another thing that's crazy nowadays is you ask a girl how old she is, she could lie to you, first of all. and even if you're a step more diligent, you say, hey, can I see your ID? They'll present you with a fake ID a lot of the times.

1:13:05And this happened to me not too long ago. It went viral on X. But I noticed the ID was fake because my previous job experience, working a doorman at a bar, and it turned out the girls were actually too young. So we said, you got to screen them. Like, you got a screening. How were you able to tell? Just because you know it. So the way that the fake ID printers work, their edges are pretty rigid. So I felt that. and the picture looked like it was off. So I was like, get out of here, guys. And then they finally admitted it. And I was like, I was trying to explain to them, you could really get someone in trouble by doing stuff like that.

1:13:37And what did they tell you? Just don't care. They have no respect. So when he said, you said he mocked you. What did you mean by he mocked you? So, yeah, you really can't be a looksmaxer, I feel like, and can't be blackpilled if you can't acknowledge people mocking you. So, like, I think in, like, all this stuff, I would say that you mocked me, you know? and that's that's kind of brutal because my whole thing is talking about looks maxing and like having all these routines and you know he's saying like this is more of like a genetic thing so like that's that's kind of brutal you know what i mean what do you mean genetics thing so like i have like a whole like looks maxing thing i do i take all these different um pharmaceuticals like trt and all this stuff and you're saying yeah i never took any anything never yeah yeah never looks maxed then still my looks maxing were different than yours my looks maxing was training at the gym so you're saying the fact that he's saying i didn't need all the stuff that you took and you did that's a form of mogging well just someone who looks better than you no matter what um mogs you but i'm saying it's especially brutal when there's less effort put in by that person and so is that do you look at that as a negative or just a behavior it's just a yeah it's just the reality But like what happens is if you get mogged, and I'm sure this is like kind of true with most people.

1:14:56They just don't know why they feel off. Like if someone is much better looking than you, you just feel the mog internally. And it just like it really like has a soul crushing effect and like kind of like brutalized. You feel that? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So me and my buddy Hex the other day, we go to the gym and there's just some guy that like walks in and he was like 6 '10 with a 24.5 by deltoid, 360 pounds. like massive frame and like we just we felt the mug like all the way across the gym to the point where i just i just left but was he trying to do that to you personally or is no no no but the thing is like you know when you just feel the mug and that's the only thing that's you know is that your insecurities that come when you is that your insecurity when you saw him like that or was he trying to build just why would i want that like you know internal you know pressure why would i want that i'm not here to mock anybody and i'm a humble man like i and i wrote threads about this that if i was in a bar and like you know david gandy no i don't can you pull up who david gandy is yeah and so gandy uh is a one of these guys he did uh dolce dolce yeah i wrote a thread back in the day and i'm sure that someone oh yeah yeah on luxmax.org yeah instead of gandy walked into the same bar as me yeah i would just leave immediately why because just like if you feel the it's just gonna like disrupt your flow so we can't never hang out and be buddies me and you um i don't know we can't go streaming together bro i was gonna ask you to go streaming you want to know why though i do have i mean i i could cope with like the status bill so like that's no but just man to man like let's hang out yeah yeah i mean but like i'm saying like it's a little It lasts brutal because, like, I can mog in, like, other metrics now.

1:16:40Is it because in your mind you're thinking you're not the best guy in that room and there's somebody ahead of you, so I may as well leave because I can't compete with them? Well, thank you. I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's, like, it's brutal, you know? Oh, man. No, no. I'm your butt, man. Interesting. Appreciate it, man. So then in your mind, every man's goal should be mogging everybody in the room they're with? uh yeah i don't think that should be like you know the end all be all but it's certainly like real and it's certainly worth acknowledging that uh it feels good to to be the best you know what i mean and you're only going to be uh resentful and you're only going to hate on people that are above you oh buddy that's going to be tough man if it's all about the looks it's going to be tough long term because if if the if the right that's the reality no but it's but it i mean is trump the best looking guy in the world is, you know, um, he mogs pretty hard.

1:17:35So there's different things for becoming like, uh, the president that really matter for, for looks and the stuff that I talk about. And one of the biggest ones is the facial width to height ratio. So having a super wide face like Donald Trump, uh, gives you a lot more of like a masculine, uh, and like a lot more of like an assertive, uh, assumed personality. And also you look at the fact that all presidents were above 6-1 except like two or three of them. The height plus the FWHR bill, that's why Trump did it. So why don't we do this? I've got a bunch of pictures here. I'm going to show you guys.

1:18:10And can you grab a pen and paper, and I want you to score them from 0 to 10. And I don't want you to answer it. I'll give you a clear one here for you. I need a pen. I'll give it to you. Yeah, thank you. And I want you to, before, and again, you can say 9.3. I have the paper already. 9.8. I want it then. Oh, great. All good. 9.8, 9.3, 9 point whatever, 8.6. And I'm curious to know why your answer is like that. So some of the ones we're going to go through are old school. We'll start off with men, and then we'll go to women. I ain't going to lie. I don't know most of these people. Yeah, you're not going to know.

1:18:41So I'm going to show it to you here. So maybe look at the pictures I'll show to you, and just tell me what you think they look like. Benjamin Netanyahu. Yeah, here we go. Go with this one here. Patrick Swayze. Write the score down. Patrick Swayze. If you can pull up the pictures as well while I'm in there A picture that's more of like a frontal profile. So can you guys in the back just pull up Patrick Swayze? There we go. Type in Patrick Swayze and let's see what score he gives him. This guy was a legend. He's my man. In our time. Oh, yeah. So go to. Yeah. Okay. So I would just go back. Go back.

1:19:13There's an image that was. Back the. No, no. Back the one with the red shirt. Yeah. That's perfect. Yeah. Write your score down and we'll go to it. I would say Chad. Eight out of ten. Okay. You said eight out of ten. Patrick's ten for me. He's a ten. Oh, he's a ten, boy. Why'd you say eight? There's no one that's face is completely perfect, right? I'm sure you can find different facial ratios of his that are slightly outside of the ideal, one of which would be like his gonial angle is a little bit too steep, right? So there's that. So that would automatically make it so the person is not a scientific perfection.

1:19:52Okay. So I'm going to put clap. I'm curious to know what you end up scoring the highest. You gave him a 10. Because I know Patrick, and he's the best. All right, let's go to the next one. Where's this guy? What's his name? Patrick Swayze. Here's the next one. This guy. We should what? Oh. Elvis. You know who he is. Oh, man, you're killing me now. I'm actually going to give him a 4.75. 4.75 for Elvis? Yes. And what are you going to give him? We're talking about that time right there? This is peak Elvis. Right there, peak 10? 10. Peak Elvis. 10. 10. So you give 4.75. Why is Elvis 4.75? I consider that a below average face certainly because of the face lacks angularity.

1:20:35So you don't really see a lot of like projection and depth because of the lack of forward growth in the maxilla. That's why the face looks extremely like flat. So he's got a flat face is what you say. Yeah, so it's called a lack in maxillary forward development. You know, this usually occurs from people mouth breathing. During their development, their face actually grows down rather than forward. Well, I say Dr. Mike Mew, praise be his name, was very, you know, influential because maintaining that proper tongue posture when you're developing, you know, human, it's extremely important. Wow. Yeah, he was amazing.

1:21:15He was a 10 in your eyes? Okay, next one. Oh, yeah. Sean Connery. Oh. You want to pull up some of his pictures? Sean Connery. Young Sean Connery. looks, right? Looks. Yeah, John was about five.

1:21:31Well, maybe six. I'm going to say

1:21:41I'll give that like a 7.75. Really? Yeah. Interesting. Why 7.75 Sean Connery? I think he's a little less good-looking than the other guy just due to the Fino. uh being slightly less ideal you know the other guy with the blue blue eyes and uh swazin yeah and the undertones uh the color i love how he says the other guy we know who these guys but this is why i love that i'm doing it with you because yeah it's a generation you don't follow so what do you give a sean connery i give him i was gonna go a six but i go with a seven because also he was a bodybuilder he was wasn't he mr universe he did something before you think about steve reeves no no no no he's norway but him he he was a bodybuilder was he was he sean connery was a bodybuilder there he is oh there you go you guys know you know the norwood reaper so like you know the norwood scale i don't so like there's a meme called the norwood reaper where you know it sneaks up on you and your hair starts to fall out and starts to recede and it forms like the norwood pattern there's different stages of the north yeah here just of the norwood scale which is like norwood one it looked like he was about norwood one or norwood two is that good or bad uh it's bad any hair loss is bad so that's why i've been taking hair loss medication since the day i took 18 turned 18 so you've been taking hair loss medication since 18 yeah really and any specific one dutasteride dutasteride wow and you take that have you seen a difference well no that's the good thing is your father bald uh no my father oh you're good oh your mother was it your mother's father is he bald yeah but but still there dht is is not an androgen you want in your body Paul Newman.

1:23:14That's my man. Do you want to call Paul Newman? Yeah, he's a 10-year-old boy. One of the biggest Hollywood names, married to his wife 50 years. That's Paul Newman. Hustler. The guy's got his own. I'm going to give him like a 7. Okay. So Paul Newman a 7. What did you give him? You gave him a 10. Newman is a 10 for me. So he's got negative cancel tilt. Looks like the upper third is a little bit too big. What is that? Beautiful eyes. The upper third would be your forehead. And the canthal tail is, you know, the angle between your lateral and medial canthus. So ideally, you want your eyes to be slanted positively slightly.

1:23:53That shows strong zygomatic support and strong orbital bones. But he's got the lack of zygomatic support and infraorbital support, which causes that. So give him a seven. Yes. All right. Tom Brady. Tom Brady, I would say, is 7.5. Why 7.5? He's got an extremely masculine total facial width to height ratio, that really tall aristocratic style skull. It's very masculine. You have the tall jaw and a huge lower third. really gives him a huge halo as well as me. I give him an eight because I think if he worked out harder, I think he changed his body even better because he's always been like kind of loose and tall.

1:24:46I think his face is, you know, it's gotten better. I think he could put some more work in the gym. Okay. It looks like a chat and, and the Gucci thing, but it's just like brutal. Yeah. It literally be Tom Brady and your girl will cheat with them. Yeah. Look at that. Yeah. So you think about that, it's like, oh, you know, I think about personally, I'm doing, I'm really successful. I'm looks maxing. I got to above average. I'm making this money. Then I'm like, oh, fuck, like Tom Brady mocks me in all these different metrics, and it still happened to him. Still happened to him. It's over. To a guy nobody knew that was a jiu-jitsu guy, Michael Jordan.

1:25:24I'm going to say like, I'll say like pretty dead average. Say like 50th percentile, like 5 out of 10, yeah. 5 out of 10? Yeah. And what does that mean to you when you say 5 out of 10? Average. Just an average-looking guy. Yeah. Middle-of-the-road average. Any specific reason? Can he do anything to get better? That's a different Jordan. Yeah, that one. Yeah. Is that the picture we want to use? Use a... The one on the right. So his jaw is very steep, right? So the mandibular plane, we ideally want that to be lower so your jaw is taller from the front. You don't want your jaw to be angled down. Got it.

1:26:06To be lower so your ramus grows down. So you want this to be lower to match this. Correct. It's more masculine. You also have an ideal that falls a lot closer to that. He's got a great smile. I met MJ. He's the best. I mean, when he was lean and playing the top of the game, he was a good-looking man. Tall, you know, was it 6 '6", 6 '7"? 6 '6". Yeah, 6 '6". Great smile, great teeth, great persona. You know, he's just very slender and lean. So out of the basketball players, he's one of the most good-looking guys. There we go. James Dean. Oh, my boy. I would say seven. James Dean is a seven. Maybe even less.

1:26:46Maybe less. Actually, a little less. The years of James Dean worse. You're going to get James Dean less than a seven? Yeah, so he's a bit of a skull cell, which means – Do you know what SFS means? No. Short face syndrome? Short face syndrome? Yeah. He has that? Yeah. Can you type in short face syndrome? Never heard of that before. No, me neither. We're learning stuff today. I know, we are. Very interesting. So go to images.

1:27:16Wow. Short face syndrome. I would use this image of the guy with the, oh, they can't see. It's in the second row from the left, one down. Yeah, that one. Got it. Yeah, so Asifas is sort of what he has. You notice how the chin and the lower third. James Dean has that. So what score do you give James Dean? Maybe like, I still think he's above average. Maybe like actually closer to a six. Six? I gave him a seven. And for you it's what? What's the reasoning for that? These are two of the best looking guys right now. We're sitting here going through everybody. I'm judging James Dean. that's so like james dean just so you know was he was the man he only made three movies he only made three movies movies just to clarify though like when you do like research from like a an outside perspective into like what i do is that sort of like what you came across that like the the best because i don't really acknowledge that or that's what like you know one of the best looking people like i consider my looks level to be like you know slightly above average but nowhere near what do you think you are really yeah like i don't like consider myself like oh you know like these top what do you think you are seven um i don't want to give it a decile rating i think i'm above average looks but i don't think i'm like you know even able to be compared to like these hollywood actors and thrown into the same like who like uh you know i wouldn't place myself in the same thing as like brad pitt and all the hollywood guys uh i just think that they have you know stronger facial harmony than me i don't think so facial harmony wow okay so So maybe, but it's interesting.

1:28:55So if you're giving these guys scores, would you be above a seven in your eyes? You think today you're above a seven? I don't think so. You're above a six? Yeah. Okay, so you're above a six. Yeah. Very interesting that at least that level of humility to think you're between a six and a seven. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Huh. Okay, so Marlon Brando. I don't know if you know who he is from Godfather. Yeah, yeah. Is he a Chad? Yeah, eight out of ten. Eight out of ten. So, so far, there's only two guys. Maybe more 8.5, actually. 8.5 Marlon Brando. So, so far, he's the highest score you've given. Yeah. Why is that?

1:29:31Well, super dimorphic, really good eye. I'm not sure of the phenotype, but it looks like his coloring is quite ideal. Like, he's very high on the melanin and carotenoid axis. So, you've got, like, that super tan and glowy undertone, really masculine orbital bones. You've got that, like, low-set eyebrow. that's one of the most important things is having deep set and compact orbital bones for being a male what we call hunter eyes and all these patterns are not just like autists making shit up on the internet it comes from a lot of evolution right so the reason it's important to have deep set orbitals and long eyelashes is because actually when you're running away from wild animals back in the day the people the men with long eyelashes would keep the brush out of their face so they were the genes that actually passed on uh and that adaptation uh you know succeeded versus the people who had short eyelashes brush gets in their face and they get eaten by the animal and die this is news to me this is news to me this is we're learning okay so marlon brando you put eight and a half you put him seven brando his street car named desire 10 he was uh i mean he was you put him as a seven though no no here i put okay i just want the next day so he's a 10 for you in streetcar when he was top of the world and he was uh you know waterfront streetcar named desire streetcar he was number one in the world i mean he was the guy that went to maryland monroe matter at a club at a at a dinner uh hollywood dinner and said to her i remember that line because he talked about he said my place or your place that was the only thing he said to her to maryland monroe my place or your place my place which place ended up when that's i think they went to his place that's that's the line actually i actually used that line did it work I'm going to write that one down.

1:31:20My place or his place? Here we go. Ronaldo. Most followed man on Instagram. I'm going to say 6.5. 6.5. Actually, no, no, not that high. Pull up a more recent picture because he actually ascended. He ascended? That's just the face, right? Yeah. He's just putting it at the face. Probably around 6. You put him as a 6? Yeah. It's pretty wild for you to put him as a 6, but tell me why you think he's a 6. I think he's a six because of the mandibular recession. So if you look at the side profiles here, click on that picture of him from the side. No, from the side profile, like where it shows his jaw.

1:32:01There is one. Side profile? Yeah, so basically there's all these different assessments. So we have the Ricketts E-line to measure. Which one would you like out of these? Yeah, either or. It doesn't really matter. the first two uh that one might be a little bigger though um no okay so yeah either or but there's basically a line that we have where the tip of your nose uh is going down to your chin uh it should touch all three of your three points your lips and all this to to assess whether or not you have a recessed mandible and he does slightly which is why he has that you know loose submental tissue uh because there's not a lot of oral volume right so that's what actually gives you a good um some mental and hyoid region is forward growth and oral volume well his body's a 10 but i think his face i think it's probably about the same five or six because you know i think but it he's the way he trains this guy and the way i it's funny because i've actually never heard anyone be as accurate with the rating system to where they could put someone like this at like yeah you're saying like oh yeah he's he's a little bit above average like reasonable most people are so absurd and so off with their takes to where they think average is seven out of ten it doesn't make sense even logically like if we have out of ten a decile rating why is seven very interesting your average is a five yeah absolutely what would make you a ten out of ten for you what else it would never happen okay it's just not who's the highest score for you?

1:33:38Is there anybody that you score the highest? So, yeah, there's in terms of like facial harmony, which is one of the biggest things that you What do you give me? What do you give me? Do you want me to rate like now or like? Go to Peak. Go to Peak. Antonio Sabato Jr. But I want now too. He'll give it to you. Young. Type in Young. Yeah, SEO hasn't caught up with what Peak means yet. I would say I would rate you like 7.75 in your peak. Thank you, man. No shit. Coming from you is a lot. That's awesome, man. That's my dad right there. So that would be like high child light around. Yeah, so that's. 7.75.

1:34:27It's like 98th percentile there. I'll take it. 99th. You better leave walking here. Let's see what it is now. Hold on. What about now? um well i mean just getting older that's just something that that happens it's unavoidable right sure um you know how old are you 54 and for 54 years old if within that percentile you've even ascended further because most people descend at a much more rapid rate and and you know have a lot worse features by the time they're 54 than yourself right but you know if you were to to compare yourself with like hollywood actors that are you know in their 20s and stuff it might drop a little bit down to where maybe today I would put you at probably like a low seven, something like that.

1:35:11Let's go in the sevens, though. I'll take it. Yeah. I'll take it. Thank you, man. Low sevens in 50s and high sevens. Okay, can we go into some politicians? Because you made this point about, you know, how much looks helps. So this is probably one of the hottest superstars on the Democratic side, Momdani. Yeah. Can you pull up some pictures on him so we have some options? let's rate the guy that wants to arrest the Israeli. We're going to do both of them. Yeah. Uh-oh. Let's see. Yeah. Yeah, let's. You're funny. Right, right. What do you want to give him? Let's not do any. Could we do politicians like before 2000?

1:35:58Do you want to give anything on him or no? Would Momdani? I don't want to do Momdani or Benjamin Netanyahu. You don't want to do those two? Yeah, no. Okay, what would you give Momdani? I'll give him a two and a half. Oh, two and a half. Especially, yeah. Just purely on looks. Don't go because politically he may be at a different place as you. Oh, looks? Good four. He's charming. He's got the smile. He's very good on stage. He's got a massive following. I'll give him a five. Okay. You're still not going to give anything on Momdani? No. No. What's the reasoning? What's your reasoning for it? Because it's just like I'm not going to get myself dragged into some, like, Twitter battle with someone because I'll give him – if I were to give him a purely objective rating – I think you're pretty objective.

1:36:41No, I am, but people don't understand that on Twitter. It's just going to be a whole political thing. On giving a score to him, I'm done? People assume that I'm rating him based off of, like, some – Political stuff. Some internal – I actually think you're very objective, and I don't think you – Well, you do, but most people on X are – But I think that's why I'm prefacing it. So if they cut it properly, because we'll share it ourselves. That's the thing. You gave Newsom a very high score, right? You gave Newsom a very high score, and that doesn't mean necessarily maybe you agree with his politics.

1:37:11I think you're pretty fair. Fair enough. Yeah, we could give Mabdani a rating. I would say that he's around a 4.5 out of 10. Okay. Objective facial rating. All right, and you gave him a what? A five. Okay, so you gave him a higher than his. Fair enough. How about Marco Rubio? Marco Rubio? I would say that he would probably be a 5.25. Okay. Easy ascension, though. Easy ascension. He's just a little bit overweight. So he's got to lose some weight. And needs the ears pinned. Then he could probably ascend to, like, HDN. HDN? Yeah, high-tier normie. Where do you put him at? My Cuban brother. Well, I would say I'll give him a good six.

1:37:52You know, he's working hard. He's going to be going into that 2028 possible presidential election. Where do you put J.D.? J.D.? Better not. This picture is maybe not a good one. If you're talking J.D. today, because J.D.'s been working out a lot. Maybe top left right there looks good. He's been taking care of himself. Yeah, this one got me into a lot of heat last time. Yeah, and by the way, maybe even you don't even know this, maybe even that comment you made got him to want to take exercising more seriously. No, I actually did take 100 % credit for that lean max. You do take 100 % credit. That's good credit.

1:38:27That is one thing that I am very passionate about is you don't just see like a one-to-one just transition in someone's entire life. Suddenly within six months. Yeah, I mean like that clip was everywhere on the end. So what do you give him today? Not at that time, but today. Has he made some progress? Today I give him like a, I would rate him like maybe half a point higher than Mandani around like a five. You give him a five. So Rubio is ahead of JD. Oh, yeah. Okay. And then what do you give him? He's a good-looking guy and also those eyes. So I give him a six. Okay. So his palperal fisher length, like the width of his eyes is just so short.

1:39:07And you see this in also Chris Hemsworth too. Yeah. That's a very important facial ratio is to have super wide eyes and a lot of sclera show. Sclera is like the whites of your eyes. They're just really like so compact and narrow. All right, let's go to Putin. Here we go. You don't have – he's in Russia, so as long as you don't go there, you're going to be fine. Putin's actually in a – oh, well. You want to put him up? Putin, would he score him? Yeah, I'm probably going to go there soon. So I would say that, like, if we're rating current, like with – probably want to do young, yeah.

1:39:44I think some may say older would be better than younger, but you can pick and choose. Yeah.

1:39:54He looks ice cold. Skip. Let's skip this one. Really? Yeah, let's skip. He's got to go there. This is a tough one because this is a tough one. What do you give him? What do you give him? Putin? Listen, the looks really, he went somewhere else, right? He just did a different career. I mean, look, that's a pretty good picture for him. Does he get at least a five from you on that one? Yeah, I'll give him a five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So at least a five. So that's actually not bad in this. So both of you guys give a five plus. Yes. Okay, Barack Obama. Barack Obama, I would place him a little. I was going to pick the different photo.

1:40:33I don't know why they chose this one, but pick Barack Obama. I'd say Obama's slightly above average, like maybe 5.25 as well. Are you there? Yeah, about the same. Probably six. You know, he's a good looking number. Obama actually, in my opinion, I feel like he ascended and looks better as an old cell. I agree. I agree. Almost like the contrast that you see between the gray hair. Like the one on the right? Maybe not him opening his mouth like that. More so when he was like that. He's got a great smile. Like that one right there. Go in the middle one. Top. That one right there. Yeah, I feel like that's a better hair color than black.

1:41:10I agree. So what do you give him there? Does he hit a six or not yet? No. He's still a 5.25. Okay. All right. Let's go to Bebe. You want to pull up Bebe? Young Benjamin Netanyahu. This is... I've never seen that picture. Wow. Good-looking guy. Maybe go on the... I would never know that it was him. Wow. Yeah. Let's see. Yeah, he looks a lot different. Yeah, he looks a lot different. Young. I would say probably like around HGN, around like six. He was in the military there, so he was at 18. Six something? 18. Six to 6.25, around there. Okay, what did he give? Yeah, I gave him about the same. He was a good-looking guy.

1:41:56Okay, all right, AOC. Adi right there, dude. She's hot. She's hot? Yeah. Has she slid in your DMs yet or not yet? I know you did. There was a bit of a press thing between us, I guess. But, yeah, I would say that she is probably like prime. I'd say like also like six. Yeah, I think they're six out of ten. Six? Flat six? Yeah. That's pretty high for you. Yeah, that's good. What do you give me? Prime, when she was dancing right there, yeah, seven. Seven? Yeah, she looks. And that's why also like the rating thing is this happens all the time on the streets. It's like people come up to me, Clav, can you give me a rating?

1:42:39And I'm like, I really don't want to hurt your feelings. because a lot of the times they won't be good looking, and I'm like a pretty blunt guy. I'm not even trying to be like an asshole. I'm just trying to be like. They want your opinion. You've got to be honest. Right. But you tell someone that there are four out of ten and you're being completely truthful with them. Right. It's a hard thing to hear. Yeah. Especially from you. Well, especially because most people, like I was talking about before, assume seven is average. So maybe they're used to being rated as a five or a six. But you go even further than that with, like, the actual rating system that they're just not used to, it can be quite brutal.

1:43:14And, like, you don't have time to explain that nuance to every single person. I really just don't like to do ratings. I'm like, why? How about this guy? And also, why do you want to know? Trump. I'll give Trump a peak. I don't think that's his peak. There's better looks of Trump. I'll give – yeah, we've got to give Trump a 6.5 for sure. Yeah, and his prime. He says he looks better than Elvis. So, by the way, you scored Trump higher than you scored Elvis. He mocks Elvis, yeah. He mocks Elvis. 100%. So he's a 6.5. You gave Elvis a 4.75. 100%. Do you agree with that? I gave Trump in his prime a good 7.

1:43:51You know what I mean? So 6.5. Trump was a slayer. So why is Trump better looking than Elvis? It's just locker room talk. Why is Trump better looking than Elvis? So one of the biggest contributors, I would say, is the coloring that Trump has. um that phenotype it just look looks like super high class and just um and you know once again the facial width to height ratio he's got a super wide face it's like aggressive um and that's why he's able to like dominate the rooms that he's in and also another thing is the 12 tooth smile i believe he has what is that just like how many teeth are visible when he smiles super wide palette 12 tooth smile yeah and that's another thing I was talking about it's like the compact orbital so it's got like a really like masculine orbital orbital rim can we do the ladies and then we'll wrap up this segment and then Clav you and I will speak for a few minutes together okay Sofia Vergara

1:44:54you know who she is? no no idea I do yeah I give her a good 8 I'll give her a 8 Stacey She's an eight. Yeah. She's an eight now. Okay, so let's go through some of these quickly. Pamela Anderson. 7.75. I dated her in their prime. Yeah, 10. You dated Pamela Anderson? Mm-hmm. Right there, right after that, like around that time. Yeah. Really? Mm-hmm. Tell us about it. She's amazing. She's one of the sweetest people. I was able to have a small, nice relationship, very private. We kept it very private, but she was very beautiful in every way. Okay, Salma Hayek.

1:45:31are you familiar with her she just turned 60 hmm i'll give her a 7.5 really her prime when she was uh working in the first couple of movies i give her a 10 wait let me ask you a question just so i can understand like this helps me where people are coming from do you think that you mog the um the pamela anderson uh girl i don't think i'm i i think that mug word for me doesn't doesn't fit very well because i'm just too humble to accept it because it feels negative in a way. But I understand I also try to understand where you're coming from in your world. I never looked at myself in my entire life, waking up in the morning and go, oh, I'm good looking.

1:46:11That never crossed my mind ever. I try to get better every day. Also, I'm very religious, so I have a higher understanding. Can you define the question? Do you think that in terms of the percentile looks levels just looks levels in general do you think that she was better looking than you at the time or you were better looking than her oh she was definitely she was the biggest star in the world yeah she was definitely uh an amazing person outside and definitely a lot above me i would say that you guys quite quite similar looks level so that's like right there you see yeah so in my opinion that's like what a relationship should look like of like similar looks levels but that's not something that you see anymore you would see like if you're around today in your prime right you would probably like your girlfriend might be like significantly less good looking than you i'm not saying you but i'm just saying like you know in a in a generational context someone similar to you today their girlfriend would like less likely to be as good looking as them or better looking in the time that we live in now like two people that are the same good yeah you see that you don't really see that too often i mean you see that at the top of the top levels because that's just what's available brad pitt and angelina jolie i think too and when tom cruise and nicole kidman were at the top i think they were just the couple but i think right now i don't think you have that you're right yeah so it's uh it's quite interesting let's do a couple more oh giselle victoria's secret this is tom brady's ex-wife yeah she has the best but yeah 8.5 So you scored her higher than everybody else.

1:47:51Why is she an 8.5? Well, her coloring and I think just how striking the face is with those super projected zygose and the facial leanness that she has is why I give her that rating. And she has slightly outside of the ideal features too, which is why it's funny. Like her midface is slightly long, but I think just like the overall facial harmony that she has outside of that one ratio is crazy. I kind of want to do an experiment later where I go and I edit her face to be a little bit shorter to see how that makes her look. Let me ask you a question. When you see a girl and you see her beauty walking in, are you also looking at her feet or hands or smile or eyes?

1:48:35Or is it just like, because the face could be a 10, but maybe her body is, you know, so is that, how do you feel about that? Like it could be one or the other. So when I first see a person, it extends, I think it's not even worth, you know, mentioning like just a woman in general. When you see a person, anyone does this, subconsciously, you know, within about 13 milliseconds, if they're good looking or if they're ugly. Right. It's the whole package. Yeah. So you just immediately can tell. Right. But I'm just someone who throughout my years of research can explain and articulate why that might be the case.

1:49:10Right. This exact feature is what's taking away. What turns you on in a girl? Or is there boobs or butt or physique? The face. The face. Yeah. I like blonde girls that have more of a model look to them. There's a weird trend today. So not brunettes? I usually date blonde girls. Blondes, yeah. Yeah, so there's a weird trend today where people like thick, like overweight girls. It makes no sense. That's not for you. So how would a Grace Kelly go for you? um a little bit too pale for me but i need to see a more frontal picture but yeah so anyway like i was saying i have the same view as anyone else i could just identify it so like the whole thing about mogging and stuff all of this like forum speak was really meant to exist within a very like tight-knit small part of the internet it was never meant to be on shows like this you know that was never the intention uh when these words and like this dialogue was occurring uh from like you know 2008 you know up until now but it's just like the kind of the way that society moved and when i first started coming up it just like resonated with so many people that's why it's in the mainstream i don't go on and live my days um necessarily like going up to people and saying like no of course Oh, I'm Augie.

1:50:33It's really not something that ever really comes out of my mouth outside of like a content perspective. Okay, let's wrap these up before we finish it up. And, Clav, I want some time with you. Bo Derek? Oh, Prime 10. You ever heard of her? No. I'd say like six. Six on Bo Derek. No, in her time when she was number one, she was number one. Bo Derek. Okay. Yeah. She was a dime. Elizabeth Taylor?

1:51:05like a 6.5? 6.5 Elizabeth Taylor? Maybe less, actually. Less on Elizabeth Taylor. Eight. Good solid eight. Eight. She was married eight times, by the way. I met her, too. Amazing moment. It's hard with the pictures. To rate someone, ideally, and this is like the guidance that they give on the official Lux Maxing forums, is you want just a rock-handed picture of someone's face straight up on a non-distorted lens, so that'd be like a 50-millimeter lens, just literally. Just sitting there. Yeah. like a model like candid photo yeah that they submit to modeling agencies is like that as well because you could see all about the face if someone's angling their face or maybe like clenching their jaw it can like you know distorted sophia loren um i'm gonna give her i'll wait till the picture comes up can you pull up some pictures on sophia loren yeah she gets out of that boat yeah young sophia loren type young the beach getting out of a boat oh yeah that's second picture is probably the good one right there yeah i give her seven seven no she's always going to be a 10 for me look at that picture on the left she's gorgeous she's gorgeous so let me ask you a question you don't think that so if you rate someone a 10 that means there's absolutely not one flaw that you see to me because of what they've done i mean i've known them and some of them i've known them my whole life yeah i give them who's a 10 for who Who's the most beautiful woman in your eyes?

1:52:30Like, who do you put as number one? Is there one for you? The person that I was with last. That I'm getting my life back together to hopefully get her back. Because to me, it was, yeah. Is she well-known? No. But she's the, out of everybody you've ever seen in the world, she was the one for you. Yeah. Why is that? because I love her more than anything. What happened? Good answer. I needed to work on myself, which I wasn't, and I just thought that she was going to be there for me forever, and it didn't turn out that way. So right now I need to work on myself to get better, to get her back in my life.

1:53:16But only on the fact that I'm going to get my life better. I need to work on myself. It's that stage in my life that I need to do things better for myself to have that type of person. Are you guys in communication? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But I know what I have to do. So until I do that, I wouldn't want the best person in my life to be there if I'm not ready 100 % to do what she needs me to do. Wow. Who do you put? I'll put probably, I think, like, Prime Taylor Hills probably. Taylor. Victoria's Secret model. I don't know who she is. Taylor Hill? Yeah. She popped up, so apparently others know who she is.

1:54:00Oh, I've seen her before. She's about your age, right? No, no. Oh, no, she's older? Younger? Older. Oh, in this picture. So the second, go to the bottom left, right there? Yeah, so that's like the type of photo that you would want ideally to. But she's not a blonde. yeah i mean that's my usual type but like a lot of the girls dye their hair anyway so it is what it is i dyed my hair black are you trying are you trying to uh pursue her no i don't really do like outbound dms yet once i become like a little bit more brand safe i'm gonna start like um dm 'ing like actresses and stuff but i feel like i would have to do some weird thing where i like where because anywhere i go someone records and it's like a whole thing like no matter what like there's something would you pursue her would you go after her in time yeah maybe good maybe nice yeah i just need to like work on the the social media reputation because i was like when i first started out with social media as anyone does um i was just like i was an idiot you know i was doing stupid shit all the time so like just kind of maturing a little you're only 20 years old on this planet bro yeah come on my kid what's the next phase of recreating for you?

1:55:14What's the next thing that we're going to see with CLAB? Well, I just don't want to detract from all the good that I'm doing with like, um, my immaturity, right? So I don't want the headlines to be about, you know, CLAB gets arrested for, you know, doing this. I want it to be about, um, maybe be doing a, a conference or some sort of seminar where I'm speaking to a large amount of people on, you know, issues that actually matter, like how to properly be in a caloric deficit without hugely detrimenting your development, right? Because that's something that, you know, a lot of people do is they'll go into these steep, steep 1000 calorie deficits while they're in high school, and they'll kind of stunt their development at the expense of being lean.

1:56:03And that's something that I would like to say, well, listen, guys, there's actually a lot more optimal way to do this. So I want to be doing, you know, content like that rather than just being an idiot, you know, you want to get back. Right. Yeah. Because that's kind of what I was looking for when I was a kid and it wasn't really as digestible. Luckily for me, I was able to be super, super neurodivergent and do all this research and not really talk to anyone in high school, but just a super digestible form of content where a guy is coming up and articulating and summarizing multiple years of research on how to properly.

1:56:40But do you have a good team of friends, of people around you that you trust and love and they care about you? Or is it people that you just met recently in the last few years that just want to clean, you know, like the entourage? Because I had that entourage, you know what I mean? But I don't have that entourage now. It's not real. Yeah. I have about 14 people that work for me, like in person now, I think. And yeah, I would say that I do trust them. It's at a good stage. What feedback would you give him? Last question before we wrap. What feedback would you give him as a guy that's now in your 50s, who in your 20s you see somebody going through this, what feedback would you give Clav, if any?

1:57:17I give him a lot of credit for what he's created. I also see a kid out there as a father. I can relate to raising my children who is very insecure. He's a good soul. He means well. He doesn't want to hurt anybody. He's very smart, intellectual. He reads. He knows his stuff, which is good. And he wants to give back. um so i all all attributes that i give him credit for i really i like this kid yeah that's why like um i did see like the one the one clip at first that was maybe not so positive um because a lot of what you see of me is like out of context stuff uh that makes me look crazy bro i i've been around a long time i can see you're good yeah so it's like got a good heart i've never really had an experience where i actually like sat down and talked to someone and actually like explained my my mentality my philosophy yeah and it'd be negative so that's why i was like yeah let's let's talk about this and we can definitely hang out i can hang out with this kid 100 bro well i appreciate you guys clap stick around for a minute antonio thank you so much for this thank you thank you my pleasure handmade in portugal where craftsmanship is a way of life for those who move through life differently from sunlit decks to nights that never need an occasion Every detail is considered Every step, effortless Crafted from fine suede and built with builder technology Designed to move with you Because true luxury isn't about being noticed It's about how you feel when you arrive The FLB Icon Loafer Made for the life you've earned

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