Tesla's "Flying Car" & Espionage at OpenAI | PBD Podcast #874

0:24This podcast features Patrick Bet-David.

0:31Armin. Shout out to Armin. But anyways, hey, you know the two teams who have spent a lot of money to get the best players? One of them gets a bunch of Hall of Famers. The other one gets a bunch of Hall of Famers. And they both get swept in the same playoff. We're talking about the Yankees get swept by who? The Tampa Bay. And then the Dodgers yesterday get swept by who? Milwaukee. And then Cleveland is up on Yeah. Is it the white? Who's Cleveland? Tampa. Cleveland's up on them 2-1. And you know what their budget is? What is it? $71 million. You know what the Yankees' budget is? Somewhere on$380 to$401 million.

1:10You let that happen? We let that happen. Come on, it's your fault. It's our fault. It's your fault. We got Tom here. He could have gone and played yesterday. Is this still Brian Cashman? We decided to go to an event for Dennis Prager. It was his first time since his injury that took place. And let me tell you, this guy spoke. He was supposed to speak for 20, 30 minutes. He went for an hour and a half maybe, Adam. And he goes for an hour. You're sitting there saying, are you flipping? The message he gave was so powerful. I'll share some of the notes at the end of the podcast about some people who can use the word great.

1:49Dennis Prager is the great. We had a great time last night. Lots of value. He talked about a lot of great things. But today, you know, we have this guy today with us, which is kind of a big deal. This guy named Adam Friedland. I don't want to hype him up too much, but he's like some GQ calls him the younger version of Jon Stewart. I don't even know if he likes that or not. He's phenomenal with interviewing. He went to GW. He just got married two weeks ago. Thank you. Born on the same day as my dad, April 10th. He's one of the guys you like. So we're glad to have you on the show here today. Arias, exactly.

2:21So, Adam, good to have you on. Guys, it is an honor. Honestly, I was telling you before the show, your clips are, at this point, almost half of my algorithm. And I'm just fascinated by the show. Because there's so much like a... Who do you break your audience down into, demographically? So we did a survey. It says 39 % of our audience are business owners. I think 80 % of our audience is between 25 to 45. Yeah. Do you know that a lot of cheeky boys like me... Like you. We love this show We love this show I don't know I don't like the word I think it's right I think it's accurate Let me tell you though I just love it Because it's such a self contained universe And there's a hierarchy And you're the capitan And you guys are capodetutis It's incredible There's this aspect of brotherhood And conflict you work it out and like yeah I just love it and there's also aspects of like mental health stuff and like which is like the same stuff that like just people that annoy me like woke people that annoy me like I make fun of liberals who talk about imposter syndrome and I'm like wow they're business guys that talk about it too it's just really fascinating to me because it's so foreign because I'm like I I'm afraid to check my bank account I yelled at my business manager that I didn't want to have an IRA because I was like, I don't care about 65.

3:5665-year-old me is a loser. Tell him to make his own money. He has no idea it's going to be like that. He has no idea. The attributes you guys have are just so... Thank you for that. Listen, I tell you, we were having a massive strategy meeting talking to ourselves about whether we ever wanted to have an Adam on the show. Letter on two of them. Yeah. So we're making an exception today, and we're going to have a good time. So with that being said, let me get through some of the stories. Do you know about this guy? Who is he? I was watching his – I just want to publicly give him his flowers because I was watching his deaf comedy jam last night, and I was floored.

4:36Let me tell you about white guys. We don't know how to – I hold the mic stand. I hold the mic stand like this because I don't know what to do with my arms. He knows how to do moves. He's so kinetic. He uses the space. Unbelievable. To get the approval of a theater, there was like a thousand or two thousand black audience members. It's like a bar mitzvah. I mean, it's unbelievable. Vinny's middle name is Tyrone. Vincent Tyrone Oshana. Okay, Adam, we got a lot of stories to get to. We got a lot of stories to get to. That is an unusual bar mitzvah. Tesla launches this car. It makes sense. Tesla launches this car, and you see the video, and everyone's like, there is no way this is real.

5:12This has to be AI. The first time you saw this. And then Elon's like, we needed a live crowd to be here to make this believable because people are going to say, this is AI. You have a legendary person that said, this person is dumb. This person doesn't know what they're talking about. Make sure you send a clip to the back. We have to talk about that. Who said it's AI? He'll show you. Number two is AI espionage, which is kind of weird what's going on. OpenAI employee accused of planting a bug in company San Francisco headquarters. And OpenAI is very concerned about what's going on there. So we'll talk about that.

5:44But Eric Detters, this guy, is talking about Kimberly Guilfoyle. And all of a sudden he starts releasing saying, I gave her$300 ,000. I gave her$200 ,000. I gave her$100 ,000. I had a$1 million commitment for her to get me on Tucker Carlson, for her to get me on Fox, for her to help something with IRS, get me in front of Pambani. What? Yeah, and I have all the exchange of texts. What are you talking about? She's in Greece. And then next thing you know, the new press secretary announces that we are moving on with Kimberly Guilfoyle. Guilfoyle, thank you for her service, et cetera, et cetera. Then the press secretary has her own challenge that he's dealing with.

6:20Is she an attorney? Is she a lawyer? Pepper Dine? What were you doing in China? Did you practice? Did you not practice? To the point where even Sean Hannity was pushing hard yesterday. And you know when that happens, what that means. Not good. It's not good. It means she could potentially, the over-under of breaking Anthony Scaramucci's record, That's what a lot of people are talking about. I don't know about that, but we'll talk about that. And then we have a story about California DOJ suing, I'm sorry, DOJ suing California for potential voter fraud. Then we have Elon Musk, who puts$158 million in the race in Texas with Tallarico, specifically the Senate race that we're talking about.

6:59And Tallarico has been interviewed. This Catholic lady comes up to her, says some stuff. We'll show some of those clips. I think you guys got those clips ready as well. Then we have the Fort Hood shooting. which Hex had said was going to be a live stream. And now, apparently, the president puts out a truth social saying they're not going to be live streaming. 81 % of Americans didn't want the live stream. The 19 % who did, you wonder who they are, right? Vinny's like, I'm that guy. I'm that guy. We'll talk about it. We'll get to that. What are you, Osborne? Pay-per-view and pay off the national debt.

7:3560 minutes. Viewership is down 41%. Why? Adam's going to give us a breakdown on that. Shane Gillis. Shane Gillis does a – this is the SNL sketch, right, that he does? No, it's a monologue. Monologue he does, and he calls these – Gym girls. Girls look like a used horror at the gym. And the ladies lost their mind and they went and kept the light one. It's stand-up. Jesus Christ. Listen, we're going to play it. Who the fuck cares? We're going to play it, Adam, and you can react. People act like stand-up is the most important thing on earth. It's not important at all. Well, if that pissed you off.

8:12You guys should – I shouldn't be on the show. I don't qualify. You guys are way smarter than me. You guys are acting like we're the genius philosopher kings. We talk about boners on stage. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't matter. So, obviously, this doesn't bother you. This story bothers you a little bit. I want to hear about it when we get into it. It's because of Trump. Hold your thought. Hold your thought. We'll get into it. Cornell. We will get into it. Billy Crystal. Adam. Billy Crystal says, because of what's been happening, my friend, California fire, I'm thinking about becoming an atheist. Maybe a full-blown atheist.

8:42Don't do it, Billy. Wait, wait. Explain that to me. We're going to get into it, Adam. Billy Crystal. California fire is what? Yeah. He says he's having a hard time believing. Who's California fire? Is that a person? No, no. The fires that happen in Palisades and everything. Oh, it makes him want to be an atheist. Yes. Makes him want to be an atheist. Over a year ago when L.A. burned. He wasn't an atheist to begin with? That's exactly what I was thinking. Weren't you an atheist before? He's a Jewish guy. We're all atheists. No, we're not. Yes, we are. Literally not. Except for the rabbis. None of us believe.

9:12We hate life. We have the Big Bang Theory guy, Chuck Lorre. We don't believe in hell, you idiot. No, Adam, I'm sorry for calling you. You're going. We don't have hell in Judaism. Whether we believe it or not, you're going. You don't even know what happens after you die? You haven't looked that up? Don't find out what happens. The rule is even Hitler, it's a spiritual washing machine. We don't believe in anyone going to hell. There's something called Gehenna. You don't know about what happened to the afterlife? I know, Adam. So when it talks about Sheol in the Torah, what is Sheol? Saul? No, Sheol.

9:45It's hell. Hell? Yeah. You just got biz'd up. Hang on. I'm on Amazon. I'm going to send you a Torah. What's your address? You can't buy a Torah. Adam, let me go through this story. I'll come to you. Hold it together. Last but not least. Last but not least. I'm already bad. Palmer Lucky. Palmer Luckey, okay? The Oculus guy, the billionaire, young guy, 32 years old. His new company that they're selling drones and all the military equipment, Andreal, is in talks to sell insider shares. You know at what valuation? $90 billion valuation, and I think it's a small number. I think it's a small number.

10:22I think that company is going to be a multi-trillion dollar company. With what he's building and how war is changing, we're going to go that direction. All right, with that being said, for some of you, Yesterday we're at this event. This guy comes up to me and says, hey, so the FLB shoes, before I buy it, what size do they run? Is it one size high, one size this? And Tom's like, look, they run a little bit bigger, half size bigger. So if you want to get this, get this size. Right there, the guy buys an FLB shoe sitting right next to Tom, and we both had FLB shoes on. But I want you to watch this here for the loafers.

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12:08As a matter of fact, there's a video. I don't know if you have the video or not. I'll send it to you in a minute. Elon's like, we have to have an audience because people are not going to believe what we're launching today. They're going to say this is AI, and it's not. This is real. So this car all of a sudden starts flying, flipping, turning around. and for the people that have vertigo, you're watching this thing. I would never in a million years want to do this. I just want you to see this. And then, by the way, did you guys see the car that he did? How fast it went 0-60? Did you see that clip?

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15:27Like, how is that real? No, I'll tell you. You're telling me that's real? That is real. That just happened. That just happened. There's an audience there. And that's one of the clips. I'm about to send a couple other clips to the guys in the back. And the best, watch this, watch this, watch this. Go play, keep playing it. Watch this one. Oh, that music you can't do with Phil Collins. Me and you in there are throwing up horribly. You know what the question Tico kept asking? Is there anybody in the car? Dylan kept asking, is there anybody in the car? I'm like, that's actually a pretty good question.

15:59If somebody was in the car. So this announcement comes out. So I'm guesstimating the Tesla stock today when the market opens, if it already did. Can we look at how Tesla stock is doing, Tom? You think it's up? Real quick. I mean, I don't know. When you do a launch like that, people have to sit there and say, okay, it's nothing crazy, less than a percent, but it just started. So we'll see what happened with the announcement. Hey, go back to five days real quick. Yep, there's the car taking off right there at the end. So go to the video. Go to the top left. Go to the top left with Elon speaking.

16:29Is this the one where he says we had to do this live because some of it may be AI? Go ahead. Go for it. Watch this. Are you going to see some crazy stuff tonight?

16:43Like, we need an audience to prove that it's not AI or SI. So you guys can tell people you saw it with your eyes. Because what you see with your eyes, you will not believe. It's not lying. But you're going to see the results of what happens when you have a collaboration with the world's best car company and the world's best rocket company. You think he's slightly competitive? And this is the culmination of incredible work by Tesla and SpaceX engineers working closely together to make something that you haven't seen in any movie that's better than any James Bond car. Are you going to see some...

17:32You can pause it right there. Let me show one more, and then I'm going to come to you first, Adam. Yeah, yeah. Can you do me a favor? play the clip of Elon on Rogan the first time he's on there. Okay, this is very important. This is the first time he's on Rogan. They're having a conversation. Elon's explaining to him what he's building. Watch this clip. Go for it. Put rocket thrusters on it. For real? He's laughing. He's thinking he's joking. Nothing. Ultra high pressure compressed air. 2018. Eight years ago. Cold gas thrusters. Do you have to have air tanks or are they sucking air out? Okay. Yeah, just have an electric pump.

18:09Whoa. Pump it up to like 10 ,000 PSI. And how fast are we talking? Zero to 60. How fast do you want to go? We're going to put a rocket thruster on it. How fast do you want to go? Okay, so Adam, thoughts on this? Okay, just a question. Like, do you think this is shaping up to be a race? Like, we have to win the flying car race. Because, like, we lost 4G, we lost 5G, the trains, you know? I don't know about business. I'm asking you guys. What do you think, Tom? Yeah. How do you think? That's a pretty good question. Like China, and also we have to protect this IP. Yeah, I think that's a good question.

18:42China's done better at protecting their patents. Oh, and stealing ours. And R &D, yeah, yeah. Tom, what do you think? Look, I just went to look to see if I, how do you get one? And it says by invitation only. You know, there's two levels of it. Yeah, put 5 ,000 down, 45 ,000. Have you ever been invited? I got a back. Yep. I was invited for two. You got one or two. So basically, this is known as a flagship car. The hypercars, the flagship cars, all the car companies do it. But this happens to be exactly what he said, a collaboration between the world's best rocket company and the world's best car company.

19:18And he's putting together here what you saw there. It worked. Under the car, there were things that were sucking, and it was holding the car down to the ground. and that's when it went upside down and then when you see that it twirls you'll see out to the side there's like a little puff that is a that is a as he said 10 ,000 PSI coal gas thruster spraying to the side and what that does it makes it rotate it's the same thing that's on the side of if you go look at the old Apollo command module these are the same things that's on the side of the space shuttle which are these little jets on the side that cause things to turn and so everything you saw here is real I completely understood it yeah you look over there on the Top left picture.

20:01Top left picture. You see those little square jets on the side? There's one point in north, south, east, west there on the side of them. That's just what he did on a freaking car on Earth. And so this is like a hypercar flag ship showing people it goes up the ramp, sucks itself to the ceiling, jumps off. The thruster fires, rotates it around. Then the thrusters fire down the same way that they land the rocket by firing it in reverse. And it slows down. The retro propulsive rockets that he has. The big metal chopsticks come out and grab it. Yeah. It's the same principle. What you saw him returning to Earth with the rocket, Pat, returns that car to the ground.

20:38But my question is this. This is his hyper car. He's got five aces. Yeah, five. Would you buy one? Would I buy one? Absolutely. Have you ever bought a Tesla before? No, I haven't. Have you ever bought a Tesla before? No. Okay. Obviously, I'm not asking. But I'm leaning towards it. I'm leaning towards it. But hear me out. Would this make you want to buy one? I've never owned a Tesla before in my life. Would this make you say I want to buy one of these cars? Yeah, it's a super car. It looks like a Ferrari. That's it. But guys, here's my question. It's not the flying part. We're not going to fly it.

21:09It's ridiculous. Well, that's the question I want to ask. That's the question I want to ask. Was this demonstration just to kind of show the car but do all that because it was— He said he doesn't know. He doesn't know if he could do it actually. That's what I was saying is I think this was just a spectacle event to show like, Look how cool this is to bring eyeballs to the car Because the car is going to go 368 miles an hour Which, by the way, I don't know if you've been in one of these cars Tom put me in one of the It's too dangerous, it's scary You're going to snap your neck every single time I think this was a publicity thing, which I love For the vehicle, I don't think it's going to do that It's not going to flip around But what do you make of the fact that From what I understand, you guys are businessmen So you know 64 of I think 72 two crucial races, China has the advantage in.

21:57We only have eight, I believe, out of those 72. Do you think that this is a crucial thing that we need to kind of... Because in R &D, it feels like we're falling way back. Solar, we lost. The trains they've built... Supersonic trains. Thousands of miles of them. California can't build like 100 feet of it. Yeah, we know. Gavin Osumbrough screwed that up for us. Well, no, it's all the municipalities. Every municipality. That's why Amtrak can't. We don't have high speed rail. It's like you have to get approval each time you go to a new county or new municipality. It's just like it's impossible. What do you think?

22:34Do you think it is that important to have flying cars? You think that's a race that's important to win? I don't know. I don't. I'm asking you guys. I don't see. I'm asking you. I want to know what you because you're asking a very good question. I think I don't know. Elon Musk is smarter than me. He has a trillion dollars. I'll ask the rest of you guys. Do you think it's a big deal to be the first to come up with the flying cars? Versus China, you mean? Yeah, versus anybody. Look, I'll just back up a second and I'm going to answer your question. We talk about having a long-term vision. Clearly, Elon Musk has a long-term vision.

23:09Everything I'm thinking about with these flying cars, I'm just thinking of the movie Back to the Future. Flying cars, flying hoverboards. This is what's going on here. He has a long-term vision. Conor said something earlier. He goes, anything you see Elon Musk do equate to this one thing. Is this going to work on Mars? Mars. And that's basically what he's thinking. There's one part in the movie Back to the Future where he gets on there and he's doing the Johnny B. Good. And the crowd is like shocked. And he goes, listen, you guys might not be ready for this. But your kids are going to love it.

23:40And that's the way I work at Elon. We might not understand what he's doing this year, this decade. But in 50 years from now, 100 years from now, when Elon's not here and his kids are running the planet, potentially all million of them, they're going to say, thank God dad did this and built all this. Now, I'll say this about China as much. It seems like you're maybe worried about China. And that's fine. But there's a lot of metrics where we're kicking their ass. It seems like you're only focusing on where they're over in China. And then they just sold his IP. So that's what China do. Yeah, and now they are beating us in battery technology.

24:16They have longer-lasting range. But there's a lot of things that we're beating them in. It doesn't seem like you're focusing on that at all. We lost 4G. We lost 5G. You're only focusing on the losses. We have a lot of Ws. It looks like it's, what, 64 out of 72. I mean, like, it's just made those numbers up. Yeah, no, look, I mean, it's like according to, what is it, university? Our GDP, our national strength, our national security. They're a communist one-party dictatorship. Well, that, okay, so think of it this way. I'm not advocating for it, but if you get a grant to do research in America, if your research screws up, you lose your grant.

24:51In a centralized economy, they have an advantage because they can screw up 25 times and then on the 26th time get it right. So I'm just saying there's an inherent in terms of system. Wait, they have students in our grant program that are stealing the information and sending it back there. And they have girls that are going to sleep with open AI engineers. They send over sexy girls. I see the point you're making, and you're pointing out that, oh, we're losing all these races according to the list. I'm not saying we're losing. I'm saying it's trending the other way. You said that. You said there were certain ones of them that we lost.

25:18That's what I read. I'm asking you guys. Right? Well, let me ask you. How many of those do you think are being compromised by spies and things that have infiltrated the college system, that have infiltrated the grant system? And so to say China is beating us here, here, here, here, and here, yeah, some of them they are. But some of them they're over here stealing, and that's how it's going back the other day. That's what happened with Tesla. Exactly. Right? Elon went over to China, and then they took his IP. That's what China does. That's exactly right. And I got a great pair of Jordans from them also.

25:49So I saw this article. Are they the ones with the stitching that doesn't match? Because those are Vietnam. No, no. They have great ones. Until the Tesla Rollster, there's only one car in the flying car market. You've got to be China on this one. Well, look at this car, Pat. This is Aleph. Welcomes Tesla to the electric flying car race by flying over a Rollster video. Who is this? This is Alef. Where's the phone? A-L-E-F. I think this is ours. This is American because I asked Chad GBT who's winning the race, who's leading the car, and they said, you said a good thing, Adam, it's us in China. That is the ugliest car of my life.

26:25By the way, by the way. Hang on, guys, guys, guys. That's not a flying car. That's a hovercraft. I know all about this show. Hang on. You know this. There's hovercrafts. See it blowing underneath? Yeah, yeah. Hovercrafts will take you across the English channel right now. Big hovercraft. Let me show you this. Like a foil. If there is a conversation about innovation of what's going on. 66 out of 74. Sorry, I missed. Here's the part to look at. Oh, now it's five. It's on eight. Adam, hang tight, buddy. Hang tight. I'm here. So from 2003 to 2007, China led, according to this one report, on different items statistically in the area of technology, according to an Australian independent strategic policy think tank, China led in three, U.S.

27:11led in 60, 03 to 07. Then 19 to 23, China led in 57, U.S. led in seven. And then today, the latest number is, what does it have here? 66 out of 74, and then even 69 out of 74, the latest data. And you look at the China high-speed train versus California. China, they have 50 ,400 kilometers. U.S. has zero. And California, one that they approved in 2008, and Newsom said he was going to build it. I don't know how much money they gave him,$21 billion? No, much more than that. Nothing ended up happening there in the state of California. Well, China could just destroy your farm, right? Like they could eminent domain to anything, right?

27:50You can't do it in California. Or they could land in Minnesota with pathogens to destroy your crops. I'm just saying if they could build thousands of miles of train tracks, We have the technology, but they could just like, like, like, it sounds like you want to move to China. I'm just saying these are their inherent. This is why they've developed like you love China. I'm saying inherently their system has made them develop faster because they they don't have to adhere to our laws. Why do you hate America? It doesn't have election. I don't hate America. I'm just looking at the data. Right. I want America to win.

28:21I love America. It's the best country. You're coming around. What do you mean? What do you think that means? I hate America. I'm just saying look at the scoreboard. and we got to bring our lead back. Sure. Right? We can't ignore the score, but we can't be down to 100-0 and say we're winning. Right? It's like... Gotcha. Go ahead, Pat. Thank you. No, no. By the way, this is actually a very good point. You have to think about that. To me, it is a real thing when you're competing. You have to sit there and think about innovation being better. And then knowing the other part that, Adam, I had a guy on the podcast a couple weeks ago, the guy that tweeted about Anthropic.

28:55I'm an Anthropic employee. I quit today. I don't know if you remember that guy, Jacob Coxon. He was here a few weeks ago, and he said, at Tesla, no Chinese national works at Tesla. You simply cannot. He said, but at Anthropic and at OpenAI, when he worked at both places, there are a ton of Chinese nationals that work there. So guess what's one of the things they do when they work there? Whatever they learn from the interior, what the company's doing, they simply send it back over to China. As a matter of fact, there's a story that came up, and maybe we'll just go to the story next because it kind of goes with this.

29:28OpenAI employee accused of planting a bug in company San Francisco headquarters. This is on page 10 if you guys want to go to it. Wow. Can you imagine you're working at a company like this and they're putting a bug in the office? An open engineer has been fired and hit with federal charges, accusing him of planting a listening device in an executive conference room at the tech giant San Francisco headquarters. I like this. OpenAI said it turned its artificial intelligence models into sleuths to identify 35-year-old Abdulham Al-Fozan, a Saudi national. We used our models to understand the device where it had come from, identifying that such a specific employee had planned it a few days earlier.

30:09The company said FBI Director Kash Patel alleged Al-Fozan was attempting to secretly capture sensitive communication about the company's superintelligence technology. personnel first discovered the device wrapped in toilet paper on September 30th. A hidden camera later captured Al-Fozan checking behind the television where it was planted the same day he allegedly left a bag in a printer room containing another recording device. When he returned asking about the missing items, he did not mention it. Al-Fozan was arrested on October night and did not enter a plea. If convicted, he faces a maximum of five years in prison and$250 ,000 fine.

30:45OpenAI said it has no indicators. He assessed. He accessed or infiltrated models, Waze, source code, or customer data. Tom, your thoughts on this? The old wrapped-in-the-toilet-paper trick. The old banana-in-the-tailpipe. It's so lo-fi. I'm not going to pop a banana-in-the-tailpipe trick. This is showing you how deep the espionage is going to go. That's all it's showing you, very simply, is that people can be paid, and you look at the level of it. And if anybody doesn't think that certain models and certain things that AI is doing, especially the frontier models, is not a national security threat, they're not paying attention.

31:21And when I say national security threat, it means if these things are this important, why aren't we doing, as Palmer Luckey has talked about, is, quote, protecting the hell out of the stuff we're doing? He's not just trying to outdo the defense industry. He's trying to protect what he's doing from other defense contractors and from bad people around the world. So if this is what's going on, and yesterday I did a couple of projects with Fable, it's freaking crazy, the stuff that's in there. And it remembered, like, four different projects I did previously, and it said, would you like to connect the findings that we had, these other two things that you did, approximately two months, three weeks, 14 days, and 10 seconds ago.

32:03And I'm like, oh, crap. Yes, as a matter of fact, I would. And it's in there. I think this is dangerous, and I think it shows that the frontier model guys need to step up their game on protecting their own internal staff and organizations.

32:22Pharmaceuticals and defense contractors, Pat, have to go to a lot of extents. Where is the IT oversight? Where is the census on this stuff? You know, this is bad. Is it common for the federal government, like for our tax dollars, to protect private companies? Does that happen? I'm just asking. Meaning what? Meaning for— Like if we have to have troops outside of open AI, they've got to get their shit together. So you're saying the Cash Patel has no business and this is what you're saying? I don't know if there's a precedent for that. I think there is because if you're leaking info, if you're leaking info to somebody else within a company, that itself is a crime in America that you're going to go to the government and say, hey, this is what one of our guys is doing.

33:07So that part you're protected as a company. From the government or from a private company, right? No, it's a law. If you worked here and I find out, Adam, you came in here and you put a camera and you left and we recorded you putting that camera there, you're going to get arrested. Really? You want to try it out? I'm an idiot. I don't know. No, no. You're going to get arrested. So there's compliance. There's security. Okay. There's compliance protection. But to me, Tom, you know, with the question Adam is asking, how do you protect against it? Okay. Here it is. You know, they're sending sexy girls to SF.

33:40They had a meeting at OpenAI to be careful of sexy Chinese girls. I swear to God. Because they think they're going to honeypot the engineers. These guys are the biggest nerds in the world. That's true. They're going to, these guys are, we're screwed. These guys are desperate. And after four minutes, they're like, wow, I'm doing great with this girl. They're like, how do you do this girl? To your question, Adam, let's say you and I did a Palmer Luckey and we built a defense company. There are audits. The Defense Department come in, audits on IT, audits on a lot of things. So they do not pay to protect us.

34:16But if we're building sensitive stuff like missile guidance technology and stuff that we really don't want bad guys to get, we would have all kinds of audits and people in our place, but they come and go on an audit. They don't provide federal dollars. That's a defense contract. This is a private company. Open AI is a private company, though. No, I'm not arguing with you. I'm answering your question. You said, hey, has the federal government ever, you know, well, the answer is if this is declared important, the federal government would come in with audits. But that's government expenditure, though, right?

34:48So that's why they're auditing it. honestly they need to get their shit together but the government is using these models well honestly first of all I think this whole thing is terrifying and the amount of people that have control over it being like four people is terrifying but I don't think that we should work for these companies I think these companies need to protect their own interests call me a libertarian this episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks.

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38:00Now Saudi's trying to do something? It's a Saudi national. So there's intellectual property IP theft. There's potentially some intellectual terrorism going on here with Saudi. National security. If you were to tell me that this company was hiring, did you say that it was OpenAI or would you say it was the Anthropic that is actively hiring Chinese nationals? Both OpenAI. Okay, so what are you doing hiring these people? So it's a multifaceted conversation about H1B. Why are you hiring these people, bringing them into the country when you know that they're going to steal their… Because they're trying to corner the market, right?

38:36Let me ask you this question. They're trying to have only three companies. Yeah, let me ask you this question. Right. And by the way, a part of that, of them wanting to use regulation to not allow other people to come compete with them so they can have a monopoly. Yes. A form of that. This has been going on for a long time. So when you're talking about eliminating barrier, there's a part there. However, you know, when you think about this, can you go back to that story of the one that Adam brought up, the New York Post story about the honeypot story? Can you go to that? Look at this. open AI's blunt warning to employees about preserving company secrets if you're getting hit on it's probably a spot.

39:13You're a nerd bro. Nobody's hitting. They've been working their whole life to be millionaires and now they can't even get laid. So here's the question. So here's the question for you. The question is the following. Can you imagine a guy saying hey you're not as handsome as you think it is. If a girl says you're hot she's lying to you. You're ugly. Don't believe it. Vinny if Pat told you that you can't get laid would you listen to him? He hasn't had that problem his entire life. He's kind of gotten overlaid. We need to get him to slow down a little bit. I can't. We know he's a Miami pro-boy. Stay with me here.

39:44When you think about this, Tom, here's the question. This is the question. Do we have a history of doing that? Does America have a history of sending spies to Russia or Iran or China? Do we have a history of doing what these guys are doing to us? I think if you were to look at the the KGB, the CIA, MI6, and our friends in Israel. Mossad. Mossad, you know what? You are going to find the spy trickery dating sex scandal leaderboard. Wow. You're going to find it, Pat. Now I'm nervous. You're going to have, yeah, because to the point, they have more sophisticated ways they go after it, very sophisticated.

40:30It is not as simple. Are you saying this because it's factual or it's opinion? Like, is there a historic James Bond? No, I mean, we can go look at— James Bond is MI6. Like, you think about it. I'm saying factual. Go look at sexual compromises, dating compromises, world spy organizations like CAO, and look at them. You're going to find a list of them. You're going to find examples of what happened here and things and divorced their wife and had a second thing. You're going to find them all up there, and it was MI6 spying on us, spying on Israel. So Martha Peterson, American spy, female spy in Moscow in the 70s.

41:07She was one of the first female case officers to operate behind the Iron Curtain. She worked in Moscow handling a Soviet diplomatic source who supplied American intelligence. Look at the CIA. But Peterson was not a documented honey trap operative. So what I'm trying to find out is, have we used a honey trap operative ourselves? I think so. Take a look. Can you pull up a picture? Adam, we have it right here. Look at it. historically, the CIA has utilized operation involving seduction and honey traps, such as Operation Midnight Climax. Wow. 50s and 60s. Wow, you would think the CIA would be a little bit more.

41:41The men were administered LSD. Wow. But when is the last time U.S. was documented for doing this? This is 50s, 60s, 70s. When is the last time? It's playing desktop. They're not documented. You're asking if we ever did it. The answer is yes. And now the Chinese are doing it over in San Francisco. A beautiful Chinese girl comes up to, do you code Python? or do you have a python? It's like, oh, my gosh. Here we go. Tom, you're going blue. He's working blue. You got a guy in his 30s here. You're talking like that. I just got married. You got one woman for life. Have a respect. Free speech. Telling like it is.

42:14But Pat, can I make a different distinction here? Yeah, go for it. Because this is what it seems. There's a difference between a spy and clandestine versus employees. Like, you don't go to China and see some guy named Bill. Like, hey, what's going on? You know, you don't go to Iran and see T-Rone, your friend that's serving in the military or the Mossad. The difference is we're actually hiring companies. When I say we, companies in San Francisco or wherever, Silicon Valley, are hiring these foreign nationals to come in and inviting them to steal stuff. I guarantee if you go to a Chinese company or an Iranian company or a Russian company or North Korean company, you're not seeing Rick from accounting there.

42:52So there's a difference here. They're coming into America, working in our companies. we're infiltrating potentially but like I'm not getting hired in their companies though it's a big difference the point is they want to come to America we have a congressman from California that tried to run for governor that resigned in disgrace because of Fang Fang but Fang Fang was a spy who wasn't working for a company has there been a significant piece of legislation to regulate this industry One. What they're working on. I can't think of one. What would you want to see? What would you want to see? Maybe we should make them vet foreign national, like their employees.

43:33By the way, I'm fully with that one. I do think. This is reckless. No, no, I'm fully with that. A part of me, the more I was talking to the guy, Jacob Cox, and the more he was telling me, he says, this is what he said. He says, these guys are my friends. He says, I'm uncomfortable saying this. They're going to get upset at me. I said, what do you think needs to happen to them? He flat out said, they can't work for these companies. Their loyalty is not to America. Their loyalty is to somebody else. Who are his friends? The foreign nationals? The foreign nationals are his friends. These are people you're going to lunch with.

44:03Didn't he work there for like two weeks? No, he worked there for like two weeks, but he was at OpenAI for three years. Three years you're having lunch with these people. So why do you think they're hired, though? Do you know why do you think who's hired? Because they're better at computers. That's it. Yeah. Because we suck at teaching computers to our guys, so they get people from China. So by the way, FYI, that is a part of the argument. That's why they're getting hired, though, right? That is a part of the argument that Elon makes. Because for Elon, Elon's got a position on this that's a little bit controversial with others.

44:30That's a part of South Africa. I understand that. What I'm saying to you is for Elon, he's saying the level of advancement of some of these people, we're not producing them in America as fast as some other places, so I don't mind hiring them. That's a controversial position for some of the people. But Elon privately wants to be able to hire some of these brains to work for the company. Now, at SpaceX, from my understanding, Chinese nationals cannot work at SpaceX because apparently, and if you can check this, because apparently the government, once you take money, you know, SpaceX, then a Chinese national cannot work there.

45:06If we do have some there, that's a big threat. So then this goes down to the next conversation. This isn't even one of the stories. If there was a foreign national that was way better at his job than an American, they were both interviewing with you, your CEO, what do you do? Yeah. So, okay, let's process it. Let's go through. Yeah, yeah. So, Adam, here's how I would process it. Yeah. Is I joined the U.S. Army. Okay? I was in the Army. But I was born and raised in Iran. Yeah. Okay? So if I joined the Army, what level of secret clearance would you give me day one? I don't know about anything. But just be logic.

45:40Don't worry about it. You don't know anything. You're pretty smart. Low, low, low. Low. Why would you give me low? Because you want to be in the Army of America? I was in the U.S. Army. You're such a suck-up, dude. But the point is you logically wouldn't give me a high-level clearance for someone that was born in Iran. Okay? That's a logical move. And what year did you join the Army? Put it in perspective. 1997. Okay. Between the first and second Iraq wars. Yeah. So when you go in, you have to, like, even when I hire somebody in the company right now, If somebody comes, I'm like, let's just say I recruit you from an enemy that hates us.

46:13We have a massive, you know, feud between the two of us. But you were the director of finance. And you come to me. And let's just say you were married to the guy's daughter. And there was a divorce. The boss. The boss. You come to us. Maybe at the beginning, we have to be careful what kind of intel we're sharing with you. So I wonder, I'm sure these companies have certain level of security on what they're doing. But Tom, when you have. Basically, do you want the guy that is better at his job or not? Because I hear the Indian guys work way harder at the offices. If you ask me, for what types of businesses?

46:46For STEM careers, science, technology, engineering, mathematics. Because they're way ahead of us education-wise. I don't know. It limits a number of amount that you do is fine. Like if you limit not an unlimited supply because we got to get our guys to get advanced and we got to get our jobs to stay here where our kids are getting better at these games, getting better at these jobs. But a part of level of access to information, there's no way in the world you're getting a high level of access. I don't know what the level of access is when some of these guys are getting hired at these companies.

47:18And these companies that have this type of technology, like, think about it. What companies, Tom, what companies, this is to all of you, what companies shouldn't allow Chinese nationals and Saudi nationals to work for them? Industry, be specific to industry in America. Anything with vaccine. Oh, you're saying vaccine. Anything that has to do with medical, especially with COVID, I don't want Chinese. Okay, what else? That's your opinion. That's mine. What else? I'm talking about high-end defense. Okay, I'm with you there. Like, by the way, Palmer Luckey's company, Enduro. I don't want any Chinese nationals working for Enduro.

47:52And let's go to that company anyway. What do they make? Let's get into it. Let's get into it. So Palmer Luckey's company, this is a guy that built Oculus, sells Oculus, worth a couple billion dollars, 32 years old, young guy, decides to start a military company building drones. And you're like, wait, what? What is this guy doing building military equipment? And he does an interview with a video showing the guys what they're building. This is a drone. This is a this. This is a that. And everybody is shell-shocked that the guy is building something like this. Let me get to the story. Andrel is in talks to sell insider shares at$90 billion valuation.

48:33Andrew Industries is allowing employees to sell shares as part of a tender that stands to value the defense technology startup at roughly$90 billion. According to people familiar with the situation, the tender would be giving employees the chance to sell shares at$94.80 each with overall size of the company capped at$1.3 billion. It opened on October 13 and is set to close November 9. The representative for Andrew declined to comment on it. Anderil was founded in 2017 by the billionaire Palmer Luckey and supplies a range of AI-powered products for defense, including unmanned fighter aircraft and autonomy software surveillance tool and augmented reality helmets for the military, which is sick what he's doing with that.

49:13That's the picture of one of the— What did we do? Let me read this. Its valuation doubled to$61 billion in May funding round. The company counts the U.S. Defense Department among its largest customers generated$2.2 billion in revenue. So, Tom, and a real$90 billion valuation. Is it low? Is it high? Is it a dumb move if you're able to get in there, put$100 ,000, should somebody entertain it? And would you allow a Chinese national to work for a company like this? Three questions in order. Number one, I think this is a low valuation. This is basically a venture class valuation. And what they're doing is there's some people at the company, maybe they've been there a few years, and they want to take a little bit of money off the table.

49:54Maybe they want to try and buy a house. Maybe they want to pay off student loans. Whatever it is, Pat, they want to take a little liquidity off. And so people buy the insider shares. What does that mean? Say, hey, Vinny, you said you wanted to sell some. You've got 100 ,000 shares. Would you like to sell 10 ,000 shares at$20 a share? That's$200 ,000. Would you like to do that? Yeah, I'd like to do that. Okay, great. Then you go to the company that buys those, Pat, so the company doesn't get diluted. It's just an outsider that now owns some of those shares. So I think that valuation, even though in the venture world that's usually a forward speculative forward valuation, I think that's a little low compared to where they're going and the technology they're showing.

50:35So that's number one. Number two, should Chinese nationals be allowed to work there? Hell no. They're working on stuff that is now up at tier one of the level of weapons that we have up there. Well, why do you want to get a hold of one of my F-35 planes? Why do you want to get a hold of a stealth fighter, even if it's at the bottom of the ocean because it crashed off San Diego? One did. And they were trying to go down and get it. Why did the Chinese want to get it? Because you want to take it home, not copy it. You want to build defense against it. What can this do? Where do I have to go to be better?

51:06So I don't want any Chinese nationals working there. So that was your second question. And my third question that I have is just, you know, is our government moving fast enough for the high-speed venture class speed of guys like Palmer Luckey so that we can be reaching out and encouraging them to protect what they're building for? What do you mean by that? Go a little bit deeper on that. Is our government working fast enough? What does that mean? Yeah. Palmer Luckey is working so fast and startups are working so fast. Is our government working at that same venture? That's never going to happen.

51:38It's never. Yeah. So a government is always going to be a step behind. But what's your point, though? What are you going with that? Well, that means whoever is faster than that has a crevice to ledge and exploit. But what are these things for? Like, are they for, like, we give them to Ukraine? I mean, like, what are the drones for? You didn't hear about the operation that U.S. had with Ukraine on August 15th? Yeah, yeah. Did you hear about that? But, like, what I'm saying is, like. But did you hear about that? What I'm saying is this. We have a massive industry in America that requires— Adam, did you hear about the operation?

52:13Yeah, yeah, of course. So what happened at the operation? They all crashed. No, no. There was a test that U.S. did against Ukraine on drones, and guess who won the exercise? Oh, Ukraine did. Ukraine won the exercise. So U.S. is like— My question is this. It just seems like it's a stimulus into a weak economy. Wait, let me—so you're not worried about drones? No, I really think that this is just not... Defense spending is such a massive racket. He's at the F-35. It's like every single aviation company just got billions of dollars and it crashed for years. These companies require conflicts to be happening in order to make money.

52:53They do, and that's the issue. If you look at Israel and Ukraine, we left Afghanistan, and how are these companies going to make money? People talk like we gave Israel$23 billion. We gave Boeing, Lockheed. We gave American companies. The money went to them. And then they sent them over to the – So just the question is, like, does that benefit the American people? No. So pause. Pause right there. Let me ask you a question. It benefits this weird guy in a Hawaiian shirt. But, like, I'm just like – Are you from the mindset – The economy is bad and people aren't happy. Adam, are you of the mindset of we shouldn't invest in military companies to prevent against something in the future that happens?

53:32It's half of what we invested. I didn't ask you whether we are or not. I'm asking you, should we or should we not? That's a different question. Should we defund the military? No, not defund the military. What does that mean? That's not what I'm saying. You're criticizing what's the point of building these military equipment. I'm asking you, if you were somebody that's running, would you be as interested in strengthening our military? Yes or no? I think if you're running on the strength of this, it doesn't earn votes. Tell me why. I think it's bad politics. No, forget about voting. Because in a material way, it doesn't improve people's lives.

54:02I'm not asking you about votes. Forget about votes for a second. That's their politicians. They have to. But that's not what I'm asking you. This is not about votes. None of us here are running for anything. No, it's about people that lobby you. What I'm asking you is, if you had a choice and you're wondering about the security, would you see benefit in us advancing our military with something like this that Palmer Luckey is doing? Do you see a benefit in that? What is the benefit to American people's lives? I'm asking. What is the benefit to American people's lives? Yeah, by this type of spending.

54:28What is the worst thing that ever happened to you in your life? Whatever. My mother died. Okay. How painful was that? It was pretty bad. Pretty painful? Yeah, really awful. Was there a financial consequence? How old were you when that happened? It was about five years ago. Five years ago. Okay. I'm sorry to hear that. It was six years ago. Okay. Six years ago. Sorry for your loss. But think about yesterday. I'm at the Dennis Prager event. Yeah. Okay. Dennis Prager, two years ago, on November 12th, I want to say. You can correct me on the date. November 11th or November 12th. right after he does an interview with us on the podcast.

55:05It's fairly, yeah, November 12th. On November 12th, he's on the second floor. Typically when he's on the second floor, his wife's downstairs in the kitchen making breakfast and lunch for him. That's the routine. She's never on the second floor. While he's on the second floor, he had bought a new razor. He leaves the shower to go use his new razor. When he goes outside to use the new razor, he takes it. he slips hits his head oh yeah yeah two years ago instantly awful he becomes a paraplegic paraplegic a quadriplegic quadriplegic yeah yes quadriplegic yeah everything is gone they told them forget about it you guys got to have a plan to get this guy okay okay so Unless you hear that story happening to someone close to you, you don't think about it.

55:54Last night I come home. When I come home, I go to Jen. The first thing I tell Jen is, we just did our shower. And we have a good-sized shower, you know, family, all that stuff that we do. And the floor that we have is way too slippery. I've never liked it. Super fancy. I don't give a shit how fancy it is. It's too slippery. Last night, you know what the conversation was with us? Hey, we've got to figure out a way to address this thing here because it's too slippery. And we've got to fix it. Where am I going with this? There is naivete. Why are we investing into this? Why do we need to do this with drones?

56:30Adam, you've got to let me finish and I'm going to come to you. Why are we doing this? And why are we doing that? And why are we doing this? Do you know what we've learned with war the last three years? Here's what we've learned with wars the last three years. The giant, like Russia, who everybody thought Russia was going to eat Ukraine and Zelensky was going to get destroyed. Zelensky had the best small drones that they would make for$2 ,000. And they can send and build half a million of them and send them into tankers and shut them down. Send them into ships and shut them down. Then we learned U.S.

57:05goes against Iran. And guess what Iran builds that Russia was using? Now that Russia buys from Iran. What are those drones called that Iran built? Shahid? Shahid. Shahid. They're known for that. Those two countries are not known for being the. Well, this is where the point I'm getting to you. What I'm trying to tell you is when you get to a point like this, it's very honorable that a guy like Palmer Luckey and others are sitting there saying, while the naive people are like, why are we building military equipment? Why are we doing all this other stuff? You're living in your small little la-la land that don't know what the reality of life is when the enemy wants to take you out.

57:41And then when shit hits the fan, you know what you're going to be saying? Why don't we have more military equipment? Why don't we have more drones? Why don't we have better equipment? No shit, Sherlock, because you said don't invest the money. So nobody ever thinks about crisis until all of a sudden, boom, we're hit with it. Now you're saying, where was the U.S. military? What was this? All these years we're building into this kind of stuff. So to me, there is— Why are we giving it to other countries? I didn't tell you about other countries. We're giving it to Ukraine and Israel. Isolate the issue, buddy.

58:10There's two different things. The one item is us. We need to be strong ourselves. So to isolate that issue, I applaud what Palmer Luckey is doing. And by the way, I think this company that you're seeing that's a$90 billion valuation, I think in the next five years, I think Anderil has what it takes to be a$1.5 to$2.5 trillion and auto company in the next five years. And I also think a lot of other people are going to get into this space developing this type of military equipment because warfare has changed in a massive way. Do they only sell to America or do they sell to other countries too? That's a different conversation.

58:50Whether they sell or not. I'm just asking theoretically. I get what you're saying. That's a different conversation. If some of them choose to sell it, it better be the partners. The part where it becomes an issue is when they sell it to an enemy. That's the part we don't want. Can I ask you a question? Okay. We left Afghanistan, right? It was the longest war in American history, right? But one benefit is that there's a massive industry that requires us spending money in order for them to make money, right? The defense industry, right? So if we leave Afghanistan, then what do we do? And to me, in my mind, I'm simple, okay?

59:24You guys are – you're numbers, guys. You're much smarter than me. Like, it benefits that industry if we have people dying in different conflicts and then we just keep sending them weapons. No one disagrees with you. So, but, like, here's my question. But here's the part you have to realize. As a cynic, which you're a cynic. I'm not a cynic. But you're saying that any time we could be attacked, that's cynical. That's not what I'm saying. No, it's not cynical. That's called preventative. That's called being—that's like, I'm in an insurance—I was in an insurance place for 25 years. You buy— When's the last time America's been attacked?

59:56Actually, genuinely, I'm trying to think. Pearl Harbor, right? There's a reason why. But that's not against it. That's a plane. That's not technology. Why aren't you attacked? Ask that question. Yeah. Why aren't you attacked? Go ahead. Why isn't anybody invading us? Because we're the richest country in the world. No, no. Who gives a shit? A lot of countries are the richest that get attacked. Dubai has a lot of money that get attacked. We're also across an ocean from everyone else. Why aren't we attacked? Geographically, we have an advantage because we're across the Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean.

1:00:23Okay, so that's why. Why else do you think we're not attacked? Because America's the richest and most powerful country, yeah. You think it's just money? You think that's why we're not a bad? So should we get more nukes? We have nukes, though, right? Why do we need these little crappy little things? Your naivete of way of thinking. Most people don't like their lives right now. Your naivete of way of thinking. That's why the Republicans are getting wiped in the midterms. And guess what? Because it's the economy. It's just people aren't happy. And that's why Biden got wiped, because the economy was bad.

1:00:48If it happens, well-deserved. That's how politics works. People vote with the gas prices. That doesn't mean it's always right. People vote with gas prices. It's a little bit annoying if I find out my taxes are going to Iron Man suits when people kind of need a lot of other things in this country. The economy sucks. Adam, you're doing a good job of... No, no, I think it's a stimulus package for an industry. That's what it is, and it's inflating your ready-weak economy. No, you're spinning back. You're doing something very interesting. You're making one point about it. No, no, Adam, I'm sorry I cut you off.

1:01:19Go ahead. I have a question for you. You said your mother died six years ago. Yeah, why did you read that? Because I'm going to ask you, buddy. How did your mother die? Glioba. A poti glioba. A break cancer. What is that? A break cancer. I'm sorry to hear that. It's in the pods. Now, let's say, hypothetically, your mom was actually murdered by a terrorist. Or even just a bad person. What are you talking about? I'm talking to your face about what happens if something... About if my mom was murdered by a terrorist? Let's say something like that. You don't think that that's possible? What are you talking about?

1:01:48I'm talking about your mom got murdered. Because if you'd listen, you'll understand. What's the last terrorist that's murdered my mom's Jewish mom's in Las Vegas? What are you talking about? I'm talking about - All right. Was my mom under threat of a terrorist killing her? You're a comedian, right? Yeah, you're being funny, though. No, you have - I don't understand what you're talking about right now. You have the ability to think outside the box, right? It was just crazy what you just dropped. Well, I'm just - I love your first name, though. Well, what I'm saying is, God forbid something like that happened to your mom.

1:02:14God forbid the - Don't you think you would have a different perspective on national security? Yeah, we need a light - What Patrick is basically saying - No, the economy's weak and we're inflating it with this - Why don't you just keep talking? How about that? You know I'm right. That's why you brought up the crazy thing about my mom. Maybe your mom had such a big headache. If you're conservatives, you should be upset about weights. The problem is this. You should be upset about weights. We need to have weights. There's two things. Except when it comes to one - Peace through strength, buddy. There's two things.

1:02:36Hang on. Hang on. Why didn't Doge go to the defense department? There's two things. Yeah. Hear me out. Yeah. We don't mind debate. That's why you were invited. I know. I'm very passionate. No. We invited you. I know. And we respect our - But what I will say is I'm so excited. That's why I'm doing this. I get that. Hang on. It's thrilling. Hang on. But if we're going, allow the other person to speak. It's rude of me. I apologize. Adam, I apologize. We will give you the time. Trust me. We enjoy this. No, I'm hogging the time. I'm hogging the time. You are. So allow the others to speak, and we'll come to you.

1:03:04I want to hear your thoughts. So, Tom, what do you say to the argument he's making? Well, first of all, you're kind of spinning and conflating two things, and it's kind of a classic debate. I don't want money to go for that. American people are starving. There's all these things American people need. Yes, there are. There's a lot of things American people need. They're not getting from their government, and their government is screwing up a lot of things that they do need. I get that. But this, to be safer, defense has been a deterrent. That's not a conservative position. That's a historical fact.

1:03:35Defense has been a deterrent, right? We have nukes already, though. That's why it's a deterrent. Wait a minute. I have a car already. It's 10 years old. There's advancement. We're going to upgrade it. No, you can't roll your eyes at that. You know that's correct. It doesn't move the needle. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You're a gamer. You're a gamer today. You have an Alienware. No, my Alienware computer is like six years old. I'm going to get smoke packs on my plate. Adam, if you have... You know what I mean. So, nukes. Go to nukes. Okay. Crazy. They should exist. They're so scary. That's no problem.

1:04:06So, that's the position. Scary to who? You should be able to end life on Earth. It's crazy that exists. If you have nukes, which we do today, it's too late. We have it. Okay? So that's gone. Okay. How many times have we used it in war? Twice. Twice. Okay. How often is a weapon like that used? Not that often. Yeah. Okay. So saying you have nukes, but you're watching a war that's being won by drones and we are weak in drones, don't you think we need to elevate that part of our game? I think that it would be a deterrent. It's a very logical question. The drones would not be a deterrent against America being attacked.

1:04:40You would be amazed how much it would be because nowadays, if the six, did you watch the 60-minute interview this week with the director of Secret Service? No. Okay, it's a pretty good interview. So the guy is saying attacks on, can you pull up the stats that he pulled up? Attacks are up 25 to 26 by 41 percent. On what? That's what he says. Attacks on the U.S., threats on the U.S. is up 41 percent. Then they asked him the question about drones. And his answer is, quite honestly, we don't necessarily have the best defense against it right now. And they're showing some of the equipment that they have for drones, but we don't have that.

1:05:20You know what the job of somebody that runs Secret Service or the military is? They don't think like you do. They don't think like you do. Their wiring is not like you. Their wiring is— We've got a really big military. Their wiring is, how do I—as big of a military as we have? Huge. Military advances, and we're behind. That's what that is. Wars change, and we're behind. Like Russia. You know how many nuclear bombs Russia has? 5 ,100. So scary? How scary is that? Is Ukraine scared? Why is Ukraine not scared of Russia? Why is Ukraine not afraid of Russia? Why is Ukraine not afraid of Russia? Because they're getting some nice military.

1:05:58Because nobody uses nuclear weapons. And so we're learning. Why are they there? Why is who there? The deterrent. So you know not to wipe us out because we're going to wipe you out. That's invention. That's something that invention happens. It is scary. Why is a taser or a gun on the hip of a cop? Because it's a police. Well, that's the first thing they use. No, no, I'm just saying. Because he's going to arrest people. Well, and? What? He's a deterrent. Well, he's a cop, too. You don't want to do things. Okay. What do you think the military has? Transcend to a country. That's the naivete. Now, wait.

1:06:29That's the naivete. You think that we should be patrolling everywhere like a police? Oh, no, no. She flipped the answer to that. I'm just asking. You guys think I'm debating. I'm really just inquisitive more than anything. It's not debating as much as it is annoying. You took your... No, no, buddy. You guys are numbers, guys, and I don't think you buy this. I think you're just riding for Trump right now. This has nothing to do with Trump. It has nothing to do with Trump. If you're a conservative, waste should be your number one issue. We are wasting... I feel like you're trying to make 10 points in one.

1:06:55No, no, no. Listen. You are. No, listen. It is a simple fact. Adam, what's your outcome of being here today? Hang on a second. What's your outcome of being here today? Fan experience. It's like I want to... I'm actually being honest with you. Genuinely. What's your outcome of being here today? This is thrilling. I'm genuinely enjoying it so much. You just said you guys are all Trump-led. What did you just say? What was it? Writing for Trump. Writing for Trump. Yeah, I think it's because— Have you heard anybody here say you're just writing for Obama or Biden or AOC? Have you heard us say that to you?

1:07:23No. No. So what are you doing saying that? Because I'm not, because I don't like either. We have a very regular conversation. I love them, though. We have a very regular conversation where we go through different issues. But for you, you go here, and then you get cornered. You go here, and then you get cornered. You go here. That's what you're doing. Defense, listen, it's a massive industry. They lobby politicians. They have a factory in their district. They get a stimulus package. Eisenhower, a Republican president, said be careful with the military industrial complex. So what's your point? Because now you're advocating for something.

1:07:50But you have one of two things I'm asking. You still haven't answered. My point is this. Let me ask the question. Look at that 35 program. Let me ask the question. It is a stimulus to every single aviation company. You're not going to do this. If I'm talking to you, let me ask you a question. You have two choices. If you're a leader, do you want to see innovation? They say that every time. If you want to see innovation in us producing better military equipment that's been used the last three years in war, or you're saying, no, forget about it. It's not a top ten list for me. I'll tell you when I would want that.

1:08:20You didn't answer the question. No, I'm answering it. I would want it if I had a lot of stocks in military defense companies. But now you're being sarcastic. No, I mean it. And you're not. I would want it because I make money. I don't have stock in Anduril and I want it. I'm not saying you. But I'm talking. Don't play the game. You think of that as being— Answer the question. Dude, I don't—I never do debates. It's yes or no. Which of one is it? I think— You have a choice. That the economy stinks, and I think that this and AI are artificially propping it up right now. Okay, so this part. So to you is, we don't need to make better military equipment.

1:08:49Let's not incentivize former lucky. Do you live in fear of a terrorist shooting your mom in the head every day? Do I live in fear? You should. Do you think— I should? The reason why— What terrorist— Adam, the reason why—why don't you, though? Because I'm a sane human being. Why do people in the Middle East do, though? Why do other countries do? Because we're not. I'm saying, in my life, I don't live in fear that I'm an astronaut. Why, though? Why don't you? That's an honor. That's a privilege. No, no. Why don't you, though? Is that your world? Answer the question. Why don't you worry about it?

1:09:16Because are you out of the world? Like, that's not what happens. No, no. You're out of the world. Terrorists don't shoot people in the head. What countries have you lived in for more than three years? America. Okay. I love it. What other places have you lived? Best country. What other places have you lived? South Africa and Israel. Israel. Yeah, yeah. Why do you think here? Yes. Why do you think you're so safe here and you're not worried about it? Because South Africa is fighting for us. Why are you not worried in America that you're not going to be— Because we have nukes and we have the biggest economy and the biggest military already.

1:09:44Oh, so because of that— Every single time there's an appropriation, they say, what if you get killed and they spend more money? So you're welcome. You're welcome. You know it's lobbying. You're welcome. You know it's dirty. These are your—again, you're playing the game of two things. I don't— You're playing the game on two things. But you're a numbers guy. You know this. You know this, Pat. You're funny. So, listen. You're a numbers guy. We can play sarcasm and have fun. It's not sarcasm. That's that part. You still haven't answered the question. What? Why do you feel safe in America? Because we're the strongest country.

1:10:14No shit, Sherlock. How did it happen? So, why do we have to buy these gizmos for this weird guy? Because you have to stay that way. It's called only the paranoid survive. That's what they say every time. No, right now we have to, like. Have you ever ran a business? Have you ever ran a business? Yes, I do. Do you have kids? Currently. have kids. You know how you're going to look at the world? I love this, by the way. Are you going to have kids one day? Of course. I can't wait for it to happen. When it happens, call me. I want to congratulate you, but I can't wait to see if you have a daughter and a son and how different you look at the world.

1:10:41I'm hoping daughter. Whatever it is. Okay. We're going to go to Shane Gillis and what's the one, the abortion guy, the lady that had a son and she got it aborted on TikTok. Oh yeah. She celebrated it. Someone had an abortion on TikTok? Yeah. So now we're having fun again. When that happens. Can we all apologize to each other for our argument? No, Adam. When that happens I don't share your world view It's fine I don't think a terrorist is going to shoot me in the head I'm sorry You sound a little crazy saying that You sound hysterical My mom died from cancer Maybe we should fight cancer Instead of a terrorist shooting you in the head I'm sure your mom maybe died of a headache Your mom might have died of a headache Brutal one there My mom died of a headache?

1:11:25Potentially about that? Yes. About her brain cancer? Yes. Pat. Time out. Time out. Time out. There's no time out. That's inappropriate. He made a joke about my mother's brain cancer on a live stream right now. She died from a headache. I don't know. I didn't hear that at all. You said you're giving me a headache. I didn't hear that at all. You said that. I gave her a headache. Not her brain cancer. Let's move on. Let's move on with this story. For this format, you don't work for this format. No, no, no, no. That's a very insulting thing. You don't work for this format. Why? This format for you.

1:11:59You're not even letting the conversation take place. Not annoying. We have a lot of annoying people that are on. This is not a left or right thing. You're winning. We've had a lot of people on the right we'll never have on because they can't handle this conversation. I love it. It's not you love it. Allow the format to go. But that's not the format. I don't know what he said. I didn't hear what he said. But Pat, you're in charge. You've got to deal with that. What did he say? He said my mother died of a brain headache. No, I asked how your mom died. I said maybe we should solve cancer and not terrorism.

1:12:24What happens if she died from a terrorist attack? No, no, you didn't. You just said, Adam, you're going to get in trouble. Sorry about your mom. You're going to get in trouble. No, no, this is not good for you guys. This is not good for valutainment, if that gets out. Unless I misheard it. Maybe you misheard it. You said it got out. Dude, we're a live show. I know. You're going to hear that he made a joke about brain cancer. Cut it up and react to it. I don't want to. I don't want to be part of this world. I'm sorry about your mom, buddy. I love Vinny, and the rest of you guys are short. Let me go to the next story.

1:12:50I'm going to get to the next story. Let's go to the next story. I don't really want to move on right now. This format. You can go to the bathroom if you want for a second. All right. Let me get to the next story. No, you should fuck off. Next. Don't say that about my mom. Are you okay? You're getting emotional. You shouldn't say, make a joke about someone with brain cancer. You've been joking this entire podcast. About someone's mother died of brain cancer. I said, how did your mom die? Adam, you live, be civilized. Okay. What would you like me to do, buddy? I'd like you to be. I'd like you to be.

1:13:18What would you like me to do? I'd like you to be an adult. And I'd like you to take accountability. Okay, I'm sorry. That's fucking fucked up, man. I'm sorry that I asked about your mom. I can't believe a human being. Are you going to be okay? You didn't ask. No, you didn't ask. I asked how your mom died. Dude, you're going to get in trouble. Am I going to get in trouble? From who? If you said from who, I don't care, dude. From who? I'm being normal and nice. I'm not being professional. No, you're not. No, you're not. Are you okay, young man? What I'm going to say is if I misunderstood you, I apologize.

1:13:47Okay. But if you said what I understood you. I'm not being malicious towards your mom. It seems like you're being antagonistic. No, no, that is antisocial. Adam, do you know how his dad died? How? How did your dad die? It was very tragic, but let's not go there. It's fine. I wouldn't make a joke about it. He wouldn't joke about your mom, buddy. He wouldn't joke about your mom. That's not what happened. No, no, I'm moving on. That's not what happened. Are you able to do this or you want to leave? Me? Yeah. Triggered? Are you able to do this or you want to leave? I got eight more stories to go through.

1:14:17Do you want to do this or you want to move on? I'll move on. Okay, so let's go to the next story. Next story I want to go to is Shane Gillis. So Shane Gillis does a sketch on SNL, right? And he says, can you go back to the story and then we'll play the clip? So it says, everyone has waited on the Shane Gillis monologue controversy except SNL. Go for it. So what did Shane Gillis say that pissed everybody off? Go ahead. He was a fat guy, especially in New York. It's a nightmare, dude. It's just the hottest gay guys you've ever seen. They're jacked and they look at me like, yeah, right. I know, dude.

1:14:51Also, I haven't been to the gym in so long, I didn't know women just dress like whores now. Look, I'm sorry. There's no other way to describe... Have you seen it? I've seen it. The shorts? Have you seen the shorts? Those neon... They're like the only... They're like artificial bait-colored. The wrinkles... The wrinkles go like around the cheeks and all combine at the butthole. And don't look. You're not allowed to look. For real, don't look, because they are filming. I'm in the background of like 10 TikToks right now.

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1:17:38All the equipment. I haven't been in the gym until I had the equipment's changed. It's all like kettlebells and rubber bands and rubs. I'm not doing kettlebells fat publicly.

1:17:50I'd rather die. Okay, so what's the issue here? What happened with this, Adam? I'm going to come to you first. They said four. He said what? Four. And so that's why people are pissed? Yeah, because of that Cordell 7 and like... Vinny, what happened here? Well, he said the girls that are in the gym with those tight pants that, you know, accentuate the buttocks and there's like a gym shark or something like all these girls pants and and i'm gonna be honest with you guys pat you guys are just gonna i'm gonna take a completely different angle i am disgusted absolutely disgusted with shane gillis and i'm gonna say it out loud how dare he say stupid stuff like that where these girls are just out there trying to be body positive they're trying to work out like for like kind of can you show me in the gym guys this is how when i'm at the gym that's how that's what i wear you know why i'm not a whore i just feel more comfortable the air conditioner is better in my gym and that's how i roll and i'm telling you right now this is how i work out and shame on him for trying to bring that up but anyway all jokes aside it's actually a real picture right buddy let's let's yeah that's not a real picture but uh the future looks tight here's my thing and adam i want to ask you guys real talk these are the same people that are mad can you show that video what girls were doing what he triggered uh look like So, Pat, girls are playing his video, and look at how this girl, and then, yeah, fast forward it to, like, right when she goes up to the camera.

1:19:13Look at how mad she is. And then, look, go back to what she says. Listen. Listen to this. The way that you just spoke about women says more about you than it does me. I'm strong. I'm body confident. And I shouldn't have to worry about being objectified in the gym. So, uh, what I'm trying to find out is what is the big deal about this? Because, Pat, in this day and age, these girls are dressing very provocative in the gym. Let's just, can we just be honest, number one? Call them exhibitionists, whatever. I don't even think the right word was whore, because what does whore mean? That you're sleeping around with other...

1:19:48You could just see their butts because they were tight pants. Yeah, they weren't very tight pants. But, but, but, but, but, like, why does, like... Did the world... Why does any of this matter? It doesn't matter, but here's the thing. You know what I love? SNL, they didn't comment. They were trying to act. Ask Michael Shade the other day. He avoided the question. It's a joke. And you know what the crazy thing about this is? If you don't like it, don't watch it. Nobody was shoving your face in front of a TV and go, watch Shane Gillis. Mind you, good for him. Do you guys remember when he was casted on the SNL?

1:20:18And what happened? He did a podcast making fun of Chinese people, and they freaking kicked him off. You know how? But they brought him back. They brought him back to host, and this is his second one. And it's absolutely insane. These are the same people that last week were talking crap about. Sidney Sweeney. They're like, what a whore. She's doing a commercial. And now they're like, oh, my God, these girls don't call us whores. Shut up. Just shut up. Adam, where are you at? Where are you at with this? Well, look, there's two things going on. There's Shane Gillis doing his comedy, and then there's the actual situation that's going on at gyms.

1:20:49Shane, all he's doing is commenting on what everybody has been talking about and what's going on at gyms for the last five years. You know, Dave Chappelle once did a skit where someone came up to a cop And he goes, excuse me, excuse me, Mr. Officer, I need your help. He goes, why would you think that I'm a police officer? Just because I'm wearing this outfit does not make me a police officer. He's like, just because you're wearing the outfit of a whore does not make you a whore. He goes, yeah, I get it. But you do realize how confusing this is. These women are wearing ridiculously skin-tight risque outfits as if they don't know what they're doing.

1:21:30Ladies, you're not a victim. If you're showing your booty cheeks out in a gym and you're doing squats, what do you think the average guy is going to do? We have eyes. We have eyesight. But what the women have a problem is if it's a good-looking guy, you've seen this before, they're like, oh, he's hitting on me. That's nice. If it's a guy that they're not attracted to, they're going to call sexual harassment. Ladies, you know exactly what you're doing with these outfits. And just there's freedom of speech. You're not free to – you can freedom of press. You're not free of consequences for wearing ridiculously tight clothes.

1:22:03Shane Gillis is completely innocent. So the girls are to blame? I don't understand this thing either. The girls are to blame? It's just a joke in a stand-up set. I'm with Shane Gillis. And I'm also wearing yoga pants for years. By the way, to be clear, I'm pro women wearing whatever you want. When you wear whatever you want, you're going to get some looks and some comments. It's not like, oh my God, I don't see you half naked. I mean, what are we doing? There's just another like social woke to. Are you a male feminist? What does that mean? Exactly. I don't know. But are you one? No, I think this is a nothing burger.

1:22:40I think it's a nothing burger. And I think that people have hoisted comedians. Shane, I'll say this. Shane's my friend. Shane got me my first representation in the industry. Unprompted. I never asked him. He just texted me. He said, do you want agents? Like he's a, what he's doing. People are acting. So you're defending Shane. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You were yelling at each other about should we buy defense technology with our tax dollars? Not defend. Build it to prepare for it. What I'm saying is that's an important conversation. This is like who the hell cares? By the way, part of me agrees. It's like why is this such a big story?

1:23:13It's actually not. It is a lot of noise. It's women being victims. No, it's not that. I can't believe that you're objectifying me. Well, then don't wear those pants. No, it's other celebrities. No men are complaining. So let me get both sides. So one side is, hey, if I want to wear these clothes and go to the gym and do that, leave me alone. And then the guy is saying, but if you're dressing like this. I'm going to look. Oh, what are you doing? Looking at me? Yeah. Is that kind? And why do you think I'm? Exactly. I'm just saying generally. Can we go back to Vinny's gorgeous outfit? Please not.

1:23:46Actually, that's my screensaver now. I want to go to the bathroom. Can I have those tissues? But you're going to look at that. Let me get to the next. That was for it. That was for it. The future does look tight. All right, let me get to the next story. Next story I want to get into is the Eric Detters commercial. So here's Kimberly Guilfoyle, who apparently, a little weird, guys, on what's going on here. So she is speaking to this guy named Eric Detters, who a couple years ago, Dieter, whatever you want to call him, Eric Dieter, he comes out and he has receipts. And he shows that he gave her$300 ,000 for speaking fee and appearance fee, including Freedom Fest events,$50 ,000 for consulting fee, then another$100 ,000 for consulting, and up to a million dollars if she can get him on Tucker Carlson.

1:24:36He wanted to be on Tucker Carlson. If he was able to pull it off, she was going to get apparently a million dollars. This is what he's claiming. Get access to Attorney General Pam Bondi, and then arrange a meeting with IRS Commissioner Billy Long. He wanted assistance addressing a 2020 tax deduction dispute that he has. Then get the DOJ to investigate MetPro Group and then obtain broader publicity for Durrani victims. And last but not least, literally, this is one of the things, Vinny. Get his song lyrics to Kid Rock. And if he did that, she was going to get a million bucks. Well, she at the end in a text message asks him, can you give me$100 ,000 for me to pay off my American Express balance?

1:25:20Then the story comes out with the new press secretary, Katie, who is being asked about Kimberly Guilfoyle. And this is what she had to say. I don't know if you guys got the clip in the back or not. She says, you know, we appreciate her for her service, but we have decided to move on. Go for it. I have two questions for you. I can. First of all, on Kimberly Guilfoyle, the Daily Mail has been reporting on her since last year. The president said yesterday to reporters that he is considering firing her. Do you know a timeline for that and also potentially who could be on the short list to replace her if he does?

1:25:56We have asked Ambassador Guilfoyle to resign. She has been a wonderful asset to the team and we wish her well. So that's that. And then the president was asked about it. I don't know if you have the president's clip about, you know, she was part of the family. I don't know if you got the clip in the back. I think you do. He was saying no. Yeah. Here's what he had to say. Go for it. We're not happy. We're not happy.

1:26:24Is this it or this is not it? Let's watch. She wasn't a member of my family. She, I guess, dated my son a long time ago, but she wasn't. No, she she went to Greece. She was doing a good job, but we didn't like what we were reading. What did you think of the allegations? Okay, so now this leads me to stories now coming out of her releasing a burn book with dirt on the president's family, right, with all the stuff that came out, which, by the way, you know, that's pretty valuable with all the information. There's a lot of people that hate the family that would love to have a story like this that comes out.

1:26:58Tom, when you hear a story like this, how bad is this? How bad is the look? What do you think will happen next? So first, there's one part in this that's very normal and typical in political circles. And that is, I don't know this guy, and I'm not criticizing him. But there are people that make donations, and they're called lobbyists on one level. This is, hey, I need an audience with the president. We're going to donate$500 to the re-election campaign. When this is over, we'd like an audience. And I want to talk about X, not X, the social media. I want to talk about legislation in my industry.

1:27:32I want to talk about awareness for these topics that matter to my kind of company. So people do that, and there is a quid pro quo in there for a future meeting. Maybe something's not going to be signed. Maybe it's not going to be done, but there's a quid pro quo for meetings. Hey, you know, Vinny, let me take you to dinner. I'd like you to introduce me to the owner of the comedy store, right? This happens all the time. Will you do that for me? And they buy you dinner or whatever. So all of that goes on. So it seems kind of normal that a person's going to be approaching an insider, and Kimberly Guilfoyle was an insider.

1:28:07Now, the part about song lyrics becomes kind of funny, but set that aside. So that first part doesn't seem terribly crazy to me. The part that is just odd is all of the stuff that's coming out. I got pictures of credit cards and pictures of guys junk, and I got this list and all that. That's like, ugh, you don't want that to go out there. And by the way, there were stories out there that said this was kind of why Trump sent her to Greece to be ambassador, to give her something meaningfully to do to see if she could perform in that function and that be way over there and out of the spotlight and away from the American media.

1:28:45Now all this comes out like this. And now the burn book, you know, I looked at the advances. I went down a list of celebrity and political book and advances over the last three years. Her rate card would be about$2.5 to$3.5 million. When you look at all the, you know what I'm talking about? Of course. Look at all the advances that have been paid. Let's just look at the stock market for recent advances paid on books. What are those numbers? She would get a$2.5. Well, she's not married to anybody. She had somebody that she said she wanted them to pay off her credit card bill. There's enough text that we can evaluate this.

1:29:20It appears credible. And you're not doing anything now. You're not marrying anybody now. She's going to need to make a living or do something somehow. Stay in your— So then this is what I think about. So that makes the book thing dangerous for them. I got a couple things I want to ask. I get that. But, Tom, let me ask you. I'm paying it for her. So these guys bought a house together in Jupiter, okay, Don and her. They bought a$9.6,$9.4 million auto house in Jupiter. I remember when that announcement was made four years ago, three years ago. So do you not think you're part of a family— President Trump is a very litigious guy before he became a president, let alone when he became a president.

1:29:53He knows how to deal with lawyers. Don't you think if this family is known for having prenups, when a relationship doesn't work out, they're going to have a contract in place to say, you better not speak? You don't think that exists? And if it does, can she still go around that and ask the whatever the big publishing firm to say, if you're going to help me cover for the legal fees, I'll give you some of the dirt. What role do you think that plays? So if the burn book is just a rumor, we'll know shortly, and I'll tell you how you can tell. If there's no press release from Simon & Schuster saying, we are proud to work with Kimberly Guilfoyle and we are going to publish the book My Years with the Trumps or something, right?

1:30:32And talking all about that. If that never happens, then they get a phone call first from the Trump attorneys quietly that said, you know, there's kind of a prenup here. They were engaged. We have a prenup here. We have non-disparagement, non-disclosure. You put that book out. I'm going to take this. I'm going to put a letter on top of it from some very, very powerful people and you're not going to do it. So if you want to pay for a warehouse full of books that you can't distribute, try me. And then the publisher goes, thanks for your call. They go, I don't know if we can do that. They're going to sue her and they're going to sue us and try to injunct us.

1:31:08So if there's no announcement and no book deal announced, then I would conclude, Tom would conclude, you know what, there's probably a document in there and somebody called the publisher and said, yeah, you don't want to do this. Yeah, so Adam, where are you at? Well, do you know where the word burned book comes from? It comes from the movie Mean Girls. And there's going to be some Mean Girls. Kimberly Guilfoyle has, by the way, I'm not interested in reading the book, but if she did write a book, it'd be probably the most salacious, juiciest book you've ever read. Why? She was married to Gavin Newsom.

1:31:43That's where this whole story starts from. Becomes a Fox News anchor, ends up dating slash engaged to Don Jr. now she's in the trump administration as the she didn't ambassador did you should when when i when when i went to the white house i've been there a few times she was there i'm like oh hey she goes hey what's going on she's like way you know they're very out there type person to me there's one of two things going to happen she's either going to find out we're going to find out is she actually loyal she bout that life or she just looking for a quick buck because she's loyal to the president she'll say wow i've been in this orbit for over a decade let me stay loyal to my boss, to the President of the United States, or do I need a couple million bucks?

1:32:25We're going to find out. I also think this, last point, what the hell is she going to say about Trump that we don't already know? Grab him by the, this and that story. He's already the president. What's she going to do to make him look worse? Everything's already out there. You think Trump's worried about that? I don't think he's worried about it. Why'd she get a job then? I don't think she is. Don Jr. Why'd she get a job? Yeah. Because they were engaged. Why would she get a job though? Why do you think? It's your son's ex-girlfriend. If my dad hired my ex-girlfriend, I'd be like, what the hell is that?

1:32:55Yeah, I agree with that. He probably has something on him. There's some loyalty there. You know, that's a good question. Here's what I would tell you. And also, what does an ambassador do? Yeah, so the position, this new role that they play, remember what the new 2024 strategy is versus what 2020 was, 2016 was. 2016, he fired people left and right. 2024, the strategy is, hey, just give him a job. Mike Waltz was the one with the signal messages going out in the meeting. What did he do? You're an ambassador. What job did he end up getting? Yeah, U.S. ambassador to United Nations. So ambassador. So I think it's like a job you give to not have any noise for the administration.

1:33:39It's kind of like you're the ambassador to Greece. Go do that. Thanks for your loyalty. I think that's what it is. Enjoy Greece. Imagine getting a crap country. I see a meeting like this taking place. I see a meeting like this taking place. Can you give me the lowest five jobs we can give here that is not a high decision-making job? Ambassador of Greece, offer it to her. Hey, we have announced she's going to be the ambassador. I think that's the position you play. If the question is, do you think she has things to reveal and talk about? I mean, what do you think? Well, you know who I think this is on?

1:34:09This is not on Trump. It's on one person. It's on Don Jr. He was engaged. That's like saying, hey, Pat, can you hire my ex? I think Adam made up a decent point here. Can you hire my ex? He's so annoying. Why would you ever advocate for something like that? It's only going to end foolish and stupid. We're going to see if she's actually a pro-Trump person at the end of the day. My guess is she's actually going to be smart enough to stay loyal to Trump. But guys, as if everybody shouldn't have known, she married Gavin Newsom. No, no, I'm being dead serious. They look sexy. They look sexy. They're both attractive people.

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1:37:47Catalina Island. Go take care of the Wrigley founder. No, no. I want Ipanema. I want Carnaval. Yeah. Your wife will not let you go to Brazil. You better get your act together. The president wants me to. The president said it. And they only got one ticket. All right. Let's go to the next story. Next story is one of the biggest races that everybody's following closely with Tallarico and Paxton. All of a sudden, this guy that just made flying cars comes out and says, I kind of want to give some money to these guys. Well, Elon, how much money do you want to give them? I don't know. Maybe not a dollar or two.

1:38:19How about if I spend$158 million? It's nothing to a bet. It is not, but that's a lot for a race. He donated$158 million to a Senate Republican Super PAC. Contribution$75 million plus$83 million in September. Money was subsequently transferred to a PAC supporting Ken Paxton. Musk also contributed$80 million to the American PAC during Q3. Total money in the last few months is$238 million. There's one reason here. Where does Elon Musk live? He lives in Texas. So he dabbled in politics in 2024. We know that got ugly with Trump and Doge. But he's in Texas. Can I ask you a question? This is the question I want to ask.

1:38:58Have you seen Trump and Elon getting cozy again recently? Yes. They missed each other. And Elon is actually showing respect by calling it SI, super intelligence. Yes. Not even AI. But what I'm saying to you, you're seeing that. And you know what they're starting to realize? What do you think they're starting to realize? We're better together than a party. We need each other, buddy. And FYI. Just the two of them. FYI. Do you know how much money Elon just saved Trump that he needed to use for his PAC to get a Ken Paxton? Yeah. Not the most exciting candidate to be able to go against Tallarico, which the left, this is an Obama-esque type of a guy that they're excited about, minus the scandal that the last 10 days he was missing, whatever the flu thing.

1:39:36Who's an Obama type of guy? Tallarico. Tallarico is the white. Without the white. Without the kids. Very talented guy. Tom, where are you at with this? He's a vegan. I'm going to answer your question directly because that's a polite, professional thing to do. My apologies. Dave, I wasn't talking to you. Why would you think I'm talking to you? You're a very polite, great guy. You're so insane. I don't understand you're crazy so he saved Trump and the RNC the national 100 million dollars that's exactly it now they can use that elsewhere exactly and you know who shared that with me which was

1:40:13Brad Parscale is who brought that up and I said what a great point of what is going to happen here so this is a saving for them of what's going on strategically for the RNC. Okay, I actually wrote this down because I thought you guys would like it. I had a guy on my show the other day, Big Hasha. Honestly, Chuck Lorre. He made Two and a Half Men, Big Bang Theory, Sheldon. He's never missed, okay? He's on our notes. Through syndication, he did that speech against Trump. But it was like, I asked him about it. I was like, what the hell are you doing? Through syndication deals, massive syndication deals, he's worth over a billion, right?

1:40:54And so then I thought to myself, Elon Musk has 1 ,000 times more. Okay, let me run the numbers for you because I prepared this. He's the first guy, he's the first showrunner to have four shows simultaneously top 20 ratings in television history. Okay? This guy's like never had a bomb. Okay? Billionaires make up. Great birthday. Amazing. Whose birthday? Yours? The great team. We're born on the same day. Now you love this guy. It would be your dad. Okay. I just realized what date it is. What's that? It's your birthday. Your birthday's coming up here. No, no. My birthday's on two days. Let me save 47 for two more days.

1:41:37Adam, we have plans. Let me save 40. Sorry, guys. Okay. Billionaires make up approximately 0.000042 % of the people on earth. Okay? Trillionaires are approximately.00000000001. There's only one guy. Allegedly Putin or somebody. Yes, maybe. But, okay. But, yes, there's only one guy. Okay, so, like, imagine this. Chuck Lorre, he made two and a half men. He would have to make 25 ,000 men to have as much money as this guy. That's funny as hell. Just think about it. Think about how much money. So to him,$250 million. Yeah. So what are you saying, though? SpaceX and Tesla are in Texas. No, no, but wait a minute.

1:42:28Go deeper with that. Go deeper with that. Because to me. He's the most powerful man on Earth. It is. And I said this two weeks ago. I said when I started getting calls from different chiefs of staff trying to get on the good side of Elon instead of Trump, I'm like, what are you talking about? You know, they would typically say the president of the United States is the most powerful man in the world. Not with the direction this is going. This guy's building a flywheel, Vinny, and a moat that everybody needs him. This guy's got moats on top of moats right now. Elon Musk. You think that's a good thing or a bad thing?

1:43:09Just for a government to be weaker than an individual citizen. Let me tell you. I don't know. There is a, no, listen, you do know. You have an opinion on that. You think I do. You think I'm a secret communist. No, no. I'm not Hassan Piquet. But a point of it, a part of it is, we said this two weeks ago, if this guy's an evil man, holy shit, he's going to have control of the world. If he is, okay? So there is that part where, you know, now Starlink is like, hey, some of you countries, I'll give it to you. Some of you countries, I don't give it to you. You're a pretty powerful guy right now. Of course.

1:43:45And hey, you know what? Verizon, AT &T, and T-Mobile, guess what? I'm going to come after you. Day one, 10 % stock drops. 800 megahertz, you know, company he's building. He bought for$8 billion. They're about to announce they've got to finish the paperwork up, and he's going to go after the telephone service business? This is a very, very powerful guy. So now the Democrats are going to sit there, and the Republicans are going to sit there, and they have to realize, who do the future presidents report to? Who do future world leaders need? Elon Musk. Elon Musk. This is a very, very real thing. So guess what would be a good time?

1:44:19If there's ever been a time where I've said, and the percentage is less than 5 % time, but if there's ever been a time where the left will want to take money out of politics, it's today. Of course. They've never wanted to. They were not open to it. But if there's ever been a time where people on the left are going to be like, I think we need to take all this political business money, the industry of politics money out. Now, I think it could be some time. Why? All the lobbyists, everybody. There's one guy you've got to go up against, and he's got more money than you. Collectively. He's got more money than you.

1:44:56You shouldn't be able to buy politicians, right? I'm with that. It's a democracy. I fully believe that. I'm fully with that. That should have never happened in the first place. That should have never happened in the first place. It's not speech. It should have never happened in the first place. Let me just make one quick point. Let me tell you. You know who I'm going to call out right now? Ken Paxton. If you can't win in Texas against James Talafrico with a newfound, look what I got,$100 million from Elon, then maybe you shouldn't be the candidate guy. What does that say about the party's people?

1:45:26Everything is working for you and not against you. If you can't beat Talarico after he takes two weeks off with the flu and he's going woke and weird in Texas using mittens to eat beef, then maybe you're not the guy. I hope you win, sir. But if you don't, you can only blame yourself. But this is a bigger problem, I think, than that. Besides$150 million, this is just, this guy thought just Trump's endorsement is going to make you win. Look at what's happening in Texas. I showed him before the show, the city, the big super city Muslim city. Are we talking about Texas? Hold on. No, no, hold on. This is a bigger issue.

1:46:01What the hell is happening with Texas? Like, by the way, I'm not bashing Texans. They're not stupid people, Pat. Tallarico is on camera multiple times. This whole town hall was a complete contradiction of every single policy and stance he's had. Can you play the save act one? By the way, this guy has been against the save act forever. What's that? The save act is plain and simple. Show your ID to vote in the United States, bro. And it's people like Chris Cuomo that was on the podcast. I was like, no, I don't think you shouldn't need it. It's like, what are you talking about? And he's like pro-Tallarico as if he's cool with the transgender stance, the no-ID stance, the open-border stance.

1:46:44What does the Calci-Tallarico look like right now? Can we see that? He's up there. It is squeezing. If you guys could go back to one week. Go to one week, please. Okay, he's coming down a little bit. Just a little bit. That's the one week. Go to a month. Go to a month. Yeah. So you can see it does look good. Not looking good for Paxton. No, it's not. 30 million in there, by the way. That's Elon's money. But wait a minute. Ilan's money just hit. Yeah. It just hit. Ilan's money just hit. What's the last days? By the way, guys, can you do me a favor? Pull up the Cal sheet of Pierre Poliev against Carnier.

1:47:19Carnier. Who's that? It can happen. Yeah, if you can pull up Pierre Poliev, you'll see the point I'm trying to make. If you pull up the Pierre, that's a tough one, too. Just try to find it here in a minute while we're going through it. Pierre Poliev. But there was a clip of Tallarico being asked the question by this Catholic lady. Do you have that one or no? Can you find that one clip and then go back and find a cow sheet? And I'll set it up. He claims that the Bible is silent on abortion. And look at what this lady says. Both Christians and the Bible is silent on the issue of abortion. It means you and I both have to look at different scriptures to try to come to a conclusion.

1:47:59And I just want to add that the Bible is not silent on abortion. There is the Ten Commandments, thou shalt not kill. And as Catholics, we take great insult, I guess, sometimes when it's spouted that way. And by the way, you see that this says CNN and Jubilee. Go back to the first five seconds. Go back to the first five seconds if you can. This is to change my mind. So if you look, pause the moment, it says change my mind. Pause, pause, pause right there. Pause right there. All the way at the top, that says change my mind. Steven Crowder is suing CNN and Jubilee because he's had the patent on Change My Mind since 2017.

1:48:32And that's going to be a real lawsuit. You can't do that. Jubilee knows that. CNN knows that. Even though they do a good job. Go for it. Announce. We're suing. Maybe Jubilee has generated all of their profit off of a completely unoriginal idea, disguised it, and then the mask came off. Or maybe CNN suggested, well, you know what? Change My Mind has more brand familiarity because billions of people have seen the meme and the video. So we don't know. We need to find out who flagrantly disregarded the trademark, who flagrantly plagiarized, who profited off of it most, and for what degree of time.

1:49:05So this we can just solve. So whether he's going to go or not, he has a right to because they have the name. I will tell you this. I love what Jubilee does. I hope they continue to do what they do. But just you got to be careful with the name you're using because that's out there. I think he has the most valid case ever. I know. Of course he does. Of course he does. But even with that, you're seeing what's going on where a CNN is going to a YouTube channel. Hey, Jubilee, we kind of have this idea. Can you come and why don't we do the idea of what we've done with Jubilee? I love that that's taking place.

1:49:38And let's just steal Steven Crowder's idea as well. It's great. Have you done it yet or no? You have to go do it. I was going to do it, but then Charlie Kirk happened. Oh, you got to do it. They pivoted. It's not like you would do very well. But I did. No, but no. Actually, this is the only time I've ever like sincerely like been like. Where were you going to go? But like I was I told them that I thought that bodybuilding culture leads to toxic masculinity. And I wanted it to be 20. Buffed jack guys. Juice guys against one wimp. And you were the jack guy. Girls don't really care. I think fashion muscles are gay.

1:50:15I don't really care. But they're just like roiding out on me. It would have been hilarious. That would have been hilarious. But then the Charlie Kirk thing happened. I think they want to be more serious. But to the point of who Tallarico is, and I hope, listen, the$150 million, I hope it hits and I hope it works. But just go off of what he said, God being non-binary, which he said, yeah, I said that. Yeah, he said that. You have that clip where he goes, I was just being provocative. He's non-binary. Watch this. Watch this. First comment about God not being defined by gender. when I said that I was being provocative and I want to admit that and come clean about that.

1:50:51Who cares? You guys are clutching pearls. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Time out, time out. How much have you heard and listened to who he is and what his history is and what he said and now how he's contradicting himself? He's like, yeah, he's like... He says transgender medical procedures for minors. Like, I don't, I don't care. No, no, hold on. Explain to me how you think, I'm not saying you, an individual, a grown man, that it's cool for a nine-year-old or a 12-year-old to be the consenting voice to say, yeah, I want to chop my crotch off. Is that what he wants? He's for transgendering.

1:51:21Hold on, four minors. No, no, here's my thing. Here's my thing. This is just transgender medical procedures. He voted against sexist SB14, which restricted puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and certain procedures for minors. Voting against it, number one. Number two, said that there were six biological sexes in 2001. Yeah. That's click. Okay, that's, hold on, he's batting two for two. Save America. hack he said i he said it's it's hurting he said it's racist to ask black people you have that clip connor it's racist he was interviewing a black gentleman was interviewing him he says it is this not not this one the one of the actual individual this is where he backtracks but he was uh speaking to a guy and he goes it's racist to our black neighbors basically saying black people are too stupid to show ids that's so that's three for three and then he's cool for transgender athletes boys competing with girls, bro, and the list goes on and on.

1:52:15I just don't understand. Yeah, this is it right here. This is the SAVE Act. We as human beings have the right to shape our own destinies, and we do that through the vote. And so many brave Americans, so many brave black Americans have fought and died for that right. And so for politicians in Austin or in Washington, as they're now doing with the SAVE Act, they are trying to rob our neighbors, particularly our black neighbors, of those God-given rights. Because black, you know what that says? I have a track record of... No, no. You know what that means? That means black people are too stupid. That's what...

1:52:47Listen. He said there's probably a percentage of black people in the voting... Bro, there's white people that... There's people that are in Alabama back in the backwoods that don't even have a driver's license. There's probably some advantage that serves Democrats. Adam, I'm going to give you your moment to shine for a second. You think I'm debating, but I'm really... No, no. I'm actually asking you a question. I'm just trying to validate. Here's a question they asked Tallarica. I'll ask it to you. Who's your favorite drag queen? Who's my favorite drag queen? RuPaul. She's the most famous one.

1:53:11Okay. other than her. I don't really know anything about drag queen. That's the point. He has a favorite. He goes, oh, my favorite drag queen, probably Alyssa Edwards. Who cares? How do you know names of drag queens? I really don't care about any of this. But that's my point. You should know the names. You need a better one on this guy. He's doing a good job in Texas. You need a better one. And he did good on Rogan. That's why he's doing well right now. He did well on Rogan. That's why he's leading. If you're trying to say that he wants to give all the kids a transition. There's two things. There's two things.

1:53:41There is marketability, super marketable. Is he? Well, I think the left is using him. He's a star. He's everywhere. He's Christian and he's progressive. Gay Christian, allegedly. But for somebody on the left to use, give me a bigger superstar than this guy on the left. Abdul Al-Said. What is the guy? Who's he? Who's killing it? Who's him? He's dealing with. He's dealing with. Well, no. But he's dealing with. No, no. He's dealing with the Muslim Brotherhood ties with his brother-in-law. And all this. It's just a nasty. Oh, you haven't seen these tweets? In Egypt. No, no, you haven't seen the tweets of what they said on October 7th.

1:54:16This guy's full-on tied to the Muslim. You want to hear this clip? I haven't seen it. You're living in a Brooklyn bubble, buddy. Let's stay on Tallarico. Just not reading like a Brooklyn bubble over here. Bubble boy. So here's the thing with Tallarico. The part with Tallarico is Tallarico would have been a superstar in California. A superstar in New York. a superstar in Illinois, a superstar in Michigan. He'd be a superstar in ultra blue states. In ultra blue states. But I will tell you, if Tallarico wins in Texas, it's a massive, massive statement that the left can beat the right. In Texas, we can beat them anywhere.

1:54:58So this is the part where if I'm a Democrat campaign guy and say I'm one of the behind-the-scenes power players like a Soros, not necessarily the guys you see all the time, the behind the scenes type of guys. If I'm one of those guys and I'm looking, you know what it's like? Milwaukee beats the Dodgers. They sweep them. You know what's one the player said in the interview? You know what one of the guys said in the interview? He said. Health insurance. He said. He said. Seriously? The fact that I watched. Did the Dodgers sweep Milwaukee last year or something like that? Yes. He says, when I saw the way the Dodgers celebrated after they beat us, I never forget that.

1:55:35You know what it was? They beat them like, yeah, you guys are nobody. were that dominant and they walked off. Oh my God, you know, like the typical Jubilee that excitement. They got none of it. He says, I could never take that away from my mind on how they celebrated when they beat us. There was no enthusiasm as if we're nobodies. We couldn't wait to, paraphrasing, kill them. That's me saying kill them. He didn't say kill them, but you know what I'm saying. So what's the point? If I'm a Democrat power player, dude, you beat Paxton, Texas, with Elon money and Trump, Adam, that is cover of New York Times type of shit to come out and say, we got your best state with all the money of Elon and your Trump and MAGA.

1:56:21What do you have to say about that now? So to me, I would not be surprised if some of these guys, the power player guys like Soros and those guys are like, oh, really? Okay, let's put up$100 million to help at Tallarico. Aren't most elections just the economy being good or bad? It is, but this is Texas. This is very low favorability. This is kind of like Hilton winning in California. Things are expensive right now. You've got to give the Democrats credit for one thing. You know how you can say you can't teach an old dog new tricks? The Republicans are running old dogs, and the Democrats are basically running these young little tricks.

1:56:59Yeah, you're right. The Mamdani's of the world, the Al-Sayed's of the world, the Talafricos of the world, whereas the Republicans are running these old conservatives who are 60-plus Susan Collins in Maine. You're correct on one thing. Do better. Get better candidates. You're correct on a couple things, but one thing that you're very correct on that stands out is how this is going to be used as a victory flag for the rest of what they're doing. There are really four things that are coming into the Tallarico-Paxton race right now. Number one, you said they ran an old dude. The enthusiasm for Paxton as a candidate sucked even during the primaries where it was Republicans and Republicans.

1:57:36There was no enthusiasm. There was no intrigue. There was no battle cry. There was no real something, some bright light, some torch he's going to carry, number one. Number two, the economy and the issues that you pointed out. Do you know what the intensity difference is for the American voter, specifically in the Midwest right now, between affordability and economy versus trans, abortion, everything else, even the Iraq war? It's 2x. In other words, when somebody says the economy is my number one issue, it's 2x anything that's even close. So you could say, Vinny, correctly, he said this about trans.

1:58:14He said this about God. You're correct. He said all those things, and there are voters that are annoyed by those things that are with Paxton. But Paxton's not enthusiastic. The intensity on the economy is 2x. It says the third thing is that the list doesn't stick to him personally as much as it does to the policies. He said this about God. He said this, this. He said this, this. He's not like a criminal or a philanderer or a rapist or something that you can stick to him. He just wants to trance the kid. And then the last thing, the last thing, and this is something that we need to help educate the American people about.

1:58:52You ready for this? How important is a senator versus a governor to the average American voter? Really important. Five to one. Are you kidding me? Not even close. The governor. They think the governor is like five to one important because he's our guy here. In Texas, they go every five years to work. Correct. But you see the point? So when they're looking at it, hey, Tallarico could end up being our senator. They're not thinking about the Senate. They're not thinking of a Supreme Court justice getting confirmed. They're not thinking about the things the Senate does. They're more worried about, well, we need our governor just like Florida needs to stand us and senators.

1:59:26The average American doesn't get as revved up. It's 5x more intensity for the governor. Put all that together, and you know what? The left is going to get a victory flag. I know it's a fake flag. Pat knows it's a fake flag. You know it's a fake flag. But they're going to wave it, and it's going to look like a very real flag. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of flags on the left. I got a question for you. The economy's bad, so it's a real flag. I got a question for you. Yeah. Do you think who put Tallarico on the map? Rogan. Okay. Joe Rogan. Who's close friends with him that lives in the same city he lives in?

2:00:00Elon Musk. Do you think Elon's called and said, what are you doing? Yeah, maybe. Who knows? I think I hear what you're saying. I hope so. Who knows? I think Tallarico was already on the map. That's how he got on to Rogan. No, no, no. Meaning Rogan amplified what he was already doing. But if he was a nobody, he wouldn't have been on Rogan. The great thing about Rogan is he'll talk to anybody. And Rogan likes him a lot. Yeah, but we had already been hearing about Tallarica before he got on the Rogan. It was like, okay, obviously. Not at that level. There's a big difference between – What's the thing that's – because he's Christian, right?

2:00:28He's like a traditional Christian, but he's progressive. He's progressive. That's his brand, right? So the point here is – He's a leftist. The point here is – I don't know about it. For the people in Texas who see this as a threat, this is one of those things where it's a – if you had to compare all the races that we have going on, which one do you put at the top? election night. This one. I think this is the highest one out of our and by the way for those of you guys that will be joining us November 3rd on election night, on Monday I'm going to tell you who the panelists are going to be. Those of you guys that are members, you're going to get a chance to meet the panelists.

2:01:05It's going to be a ridiculous night and on Monday, this Monday we're going to make a very unique announcement of what else is going to happen of what other places you're going to be able to watch PBD Podcast on election night. It's going to be bonkers if you're not a member yet, go to boardroomcigarlounge.com, become a member. Put the link below. Go to boardroomcigarlounge.com. It'll only be members on that night. Everybody will need to go through the process before you can be there because it's going to be security, cops. You'll see the whole thing, what we're doing. It's going to be sick. I'm going to show you some of that stuff on Monday as well.

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2:05:08did she say China that's no good look at the president no no no do me a favor go back seven seconds go back seven seconds look what Trump is doing okay go go a little bit more a little bit more a little bit more before he turns around okay watch what he does he turns to her okay where he's saying you gotta you gotta explain for yourself wait for this he's looking at her because he's like, he's hoping the team probably filtered it out. Okay. But right there, you know what look that is on the president? That's a skeptical look. That's bad for the white man. That's a skeptical look. And then on top of that, forget everybody attacking her.

2:05:48That's their job. They're supposed to attack the press secretary. It's not an easy job. I congratulated her, but it's a tough job to have. This is not a job you want to, you know, you go up to, you're going to have an easy time. She's married. She's got four kids, all this young kids. Oh, is she? She's married with four kids, and her husband's, I think, in California taking care of the kids. And so the deal was, if you're a lawyer, you're a JD. You're not necessarily a person that passed the bar exam. Attorney passed the bar exam. Yesterday, Hannity grilled her on Fox. I don't have the clip to show it.

2:06:17I think it's like seven, eight minutes, so we're not going to show the whole thing. But on Hannity yesterday, he's like, well, what about this? And what about that? And what about this? And she was confronted. Now, that's the point. If it goes from here to Hannity and Hannity is a friend. Yeah. I mean, this is kind of like, hey, maybe this is Anthony Scaramucci 2.0. We got to move on. Remember spicy? Yeah. Maybe this is like Anthony Scaramucci 2.0. How long is this clip that you have? I just want to show a snippet of it. I don't want to show the whole. Okay. Play the clip. Go for it. I only three questions in 14 minutes.

2:06:50And what might you do a little differently going forward? I can give you some unsolicited advice that's never going to be a friendly room to you. Yeah. So what I would say is I would absolutely. This is in the clip. Don't worry about it. This is in the clip. In one of the clips, he says, why would you do that? Why did you do this? Why did you call yourself this? And then there's a couple tweets that you retweeted that claim that as if you're an attorney, people know this because you're not an attorney. So Hannity was pushing her. And it's not like it was a game. And the question now becomes, Tom, what do you think happens next?

2:07:24Do you think she makes it past Kirimuchi, or do you think it happens before? I have my own opinions. I want to hear yours. First of all, I think she handled this really poorly. You're going into a new job. There has to be clarity. You've got to know that everyone's going to ask every question. And her first answer, oh, it was in China. Her second answer, which I saw this morning, was that, no, I did not pass the bar. And so she's sticking to what Pat quoted there is a correct definition that when you say lawyer, you don't always mean, by the way, and the key thing is always, you don't always mean, you know, pass the bar exam.

2:08:05If you say attorney, you know, attorney at law, you pass the bar exam under the guidance and with your law license now under the shingle of a law firm, a licensed law firm. And so she came out and said, I did not pass it. But the use of the word lawyer and attorney now having to split it, Pat, that's a bad look. You're trying to split. Oh, lawyer means maybe I did. Maybe I didn't. Maybe I was just giving informal legal opinion from my position as having a law degree. You know, that's to me. This was handled really badly. Is it your job to talk to the press? And you put the president in a bad spot.

2:08:44Here's my question for you. Who's this on? This is on the vetting process of the White House. Do you think the vetting team knew? Do you think the vetting team, do you think she told the vetting team? No, but do you think the vetting team was told, I did pass my bar exam? By the way, if you told the vetting team that you passed the bar exam, you lied. Oh, bro, we just did an interview with a guy a few months ago who claimed he went to a very prestigious school. And during the background check process, we went and called the school. and he never went to the school. And then we asked him, and he says, I have my degree.

2:09:18I'll show it to you guys on Monday. It's in storage. It's in storage. Show it to us on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. No, he never went to the school he put on the resume. We're not going to hire you. Mom player. Yeah. So to me, one, how the hell did the vetting team not know? Two, if you like to the vetting team, you're done. They're firing you in no time. Three, I don't think they fire her that quickly. I don't think so. Because I don't think Trump wants anybody but Scaramucci be the shortest ever to have the time of being a president. She's already beat Scaramucci. What I'm trying to tell you is Trump intentionally wants to keep Scaramucci as the GOAT of that.

2:09:50Of course. They have a very strong beef with each other. And, you know, we've had Scaramucci on. He's a very smart guy himself, a capable guy. Probably more capable of her than, but that's a whole, that's a personal issue. That's not even a comparison. But all I'm saying is intentionally, I think it's going to be like, how many days? Just make sure he stays as the GOAT. I think Trump is the vengeance type of guy. I agree with that. That is very Trump. That is very Trump. Adam, you know who this is on? Who? It's on the vetting process and the vetting team. It's not like they had two weeks. She stepped down like three months ago.

2:10:19They've had three months to basically flesh this out and figure out, all right, who do we want representing? By the way, if you look at everyone that he's hired to be the press secretary, it's all blonde, attractive women. Sarah Huckabee-Sandler was. I'm saying since Katie McEnany, Caitlin McEnany, he's realizing I want some attractive women up there. Sean Spicer, Huckabee, thank you for another attractive blonde woman, Sean. Well, that's a good business move. It's like when you want to give people bad news, have it be a beautiful blonde girl because it's easier for the public to swallow. I mean, there's not that many good news.

2:10:54Can we give somebody credit though? Respect? Caroline Leavitt was the go. She was incredible. In her 20s. In her 20s. Then she'll be 6. But Caroline Leavitt, respect to you. Yeah, but, like, he's the CEO of the White House. Like, the buck stops with him. It's embarrassing to the president. I don't disagree. It's really embarrassing to him. I don't disagree. Yeah. And, like, this lady sucks. You saw her on Hannity. You saw her on Hannity. She sucks at talking to the media. So how did she get this job? FYI, let me tell you. You know if I'm Trump? Let me tell you what would happen. Tommy, you know this.

2:11:32If I have a guy like Tom, whom... he knows what I like and what I don't like. I'll empower him to make the decision. Right? Now I say, Tom, hire whoever you think is going to be the good, whatever we need for this position. He's got a lot on the plate. He does. He's got a lot on the plate. I can tell you this was not a decision that Trump went very deep in and did his due diligence on this. He entrusted somebody, and I can guarantee you. Big job. I can guarantee you there was one very painful, horrible call for somebody that took place. You do not F up like this with press secretary. You do not do something like this.

2:12:13And so, look, I mean, you know how the news cycle is? By Monday, everybody moved on. It's like, oh, boom, we're going. Look at the Dodgers. Look at this. But in reality, someone's going to get that phone call. How does he do it? How does he do it? You're funny. How does he do it? We need a lady. You guys are the enemy. How does he read some of the right act? How does he bring someone one-on-one? Oh, he doesn't hesitate. He calls. He's a phone call guy. He calls immediately and says, hey. You're done. You're fired. What are you doing? Yeah. I trusted you to get this vetting. What do we miss here on the vetting process?

2:12:48What are we doing over here? That's got to be bad. This is the same week. That's the call you want to see. That's the call you want to see. He's made a show about it. Pat, this is my speculation. But don't you think that he personally selected this person? No. If you're going to be the person representing me? It doesn't make him look good. Really? No way. Okay. I don't think so. I'm telling you, I don't think so. I don't think he selected it. By the way, you know, Levitt is kind of like, listen. How you like me now, guys? Never, ever follow up a Levitt. Yeah. Never. You know what I actually think happened?

2:13:23Harold Miner. Let me tell you what you just made me think about. Let me tell you what I think happened. Here's what I think happened. What do you think? I think there were three more qualified people that got the call who were way more qualified than Katie to get the call, but they all turned it down. They said, I don't want to follow that. Because they don't want to follow that. It's like following the best comedian. By the way, I guarantee you that took place. It's like following Vinny when he goes on Def Comedy Jam. Unbelievable. I guarantee you that took place. And the other people are like, you think they turned down the job?

2:13:53100%. Really? Trump has rules like that. I don't think you turn a job like that down. No, no, no. Listen, are you kidding me? Health. Mom. Yeah. Can be out. It's one of those. He likes, like, for vice president, he picked a big position. It doesn't matter. You're not going to take it after Leavitt. There's people that are not going to take the job after Leavitt. So if we want to do one last story, I'm going to give you guys the options on the story because we've got eight minutes and then we've got to wrap up. I got the Billy Crystal story. I got the Metallica story. I got the, let me see here.

2:14:20I got the. The Billy Crystal story. The Fort Hood shooter. I got the Fort Hood shooter story. Before I got the 60 Minutes outlet being down 41%. I like the Billy Crystal God. Go to the Billy Crystal story. And then we got to wrap up with Dennis. Yeah, I think that flows. Let's just wrap up with Dennis. That all flows. You said you had some thoughts. All right, let me go to this. Billy Crystal reveals personal strategy, shattered his faith in God. This is Billy Crystal, which the man from Analyze This and a bunch of different things that he did. Jazz man. Such a great actor. When Harry met Sally.

2:14:52Billy Crystal admitted that a series of personal friends. I'll have what she's having. Billy Crystal admitted that a series of personal tragedies have shaken his faith. The comedian opened up with the devastation of losing his home, a lifetime of memories in the Palisades, wildfires, as well as the profound grief he endured with the death of a close friend, Rob Reiner, which we all remember when that happened. On October 11th with CBS Morning, when asked whether he still has conversations with God, a topic he had previously referenced, this is what he had to say. Go for it. Still, he says the body blows of 2025 have changed his outlook a bit.

2:15:28In 700 Sundays, you had conversations with God. Have you been talking to God over these past couple of years? No, because I don't trust him. Are you serious? Yeah. Too many bad things have happened. The earth is in bad shape. This is a weird, scary time. So, no, not anymore. Tom. I think what's sad there is this is exactly the time you should trust God. The question on earth isn't whether bad things happen to good people or decent people or neutral people. The puzzle of earth is when good things happen to bad people. As long as you're on earth, this is a broken place. This is why all the world religions are trying to find a way out.

2:16:14And Christianity, Jesus Christ is that way out from a broken earth and to find yourself. It's really, it actually hurts my soul because I enjoy his work. I enjoy what I've seen of him. I remember growing up and one of his early series was this thing called Soap, where he portrayed a young little brother in this thing. And that's where I first came encountered with the genius of Billy Crystal and his acting. And I remember that so clearly. And it's just sad to see him saying, I don't trust God. It's not about trusting God. It's about knowing God and just trusting that he's always going to be there, and he's there for you even when bad things happen.

2:16:57It makes me sad to see that he has this perspective. I would hope that there's somebody close to him to put an arm around him and say, Billy, this is the time when you do trust God. You know, it's tough about listening to this. And, Billy, you know, a lot of times we have a relationship with these actors. Like you'll go to a certain place, right, when you think about these actors, especially Billy Crystal being one of the ones we watch many times. Did you know this, Tom? You know when he said that was the first thing I thought about? Who's watching? Out of 8.5 billion people in the world, who's watching him say that on the interview?

2:17:29You know who? Who are the most important six people that are watching this? His two daughters and his four grandkids. Do you know how long Billy Crystal's been married? You ready for a fun fact? Would you call him an A-lister? I think he's an A-lister. Billy Crystal's been married for 56 years. Good for you, Billy. 56 flipping years you've been married. Do you know how hard that is to be in Hollywood, famous, funny like you, and you're married for 56 years like a Paul Newman. It's the Paul Newman record. That's the Paul Newman. You've been married for that long. So to me, you've got to be very careful.

2:18:01Yesterday we were with Dennis Prager, and he's given his first public appearance since the accident that happened November 12th where he fell down and he became a quadriplegic right after the incident that took place to him, right? And yesterday he comes up. Do you have the picture to send him? I actually sent them a video of this. This is when he just got on stage. Yeah, this is how he got on stage yesterday. It's a small little meeting. It's not a lot of people. Like 200, 300 people. That's him and his beautiful wife, Sue. You can pause it right there. Okay. So he's on stage and he starts talking.

2:18:3330 minutes turns into almost an hour and a half. Afterwards, we had a conversation together because Dennis Prager, to me, you know, there's certain people you call great. I remember the first time I met Dennis Prager when I did a Save in America show with KKLA, KRLA, is what it was called, in 2009, 2010. And Bob Hastings and Richard Kennedy are like, here's Dennis Prager. You got to meet him. And Dennis Prager had a debate he did once with a guy named Frank Pastore. The late Frank Pastore who passed away was a Cincinnati Reds pitcher. And they had this conversation together. But he said a few things.

2:19:00He says, you know, you guys feel bad for me. He says, but you know the moment I became a quadriplegic, you know what I realized? He says, I realized there was another guy out there named Charles Krauthammer. And he says, Charles Krauthammer, we watch him on TV, and we had no idea who he was. And we had no idea he had any health issues, but he was a quadriplegic. And he says, and you know the difference between me and, if you just go to his images, if you can go back and go to his images. He says, you know the difference between me and Charles Krauthammer? Right there, top right. Just type that picture on the top right.

2:19:29Nobody would know. He says, I became a quadriplegic at 75. He said he became a quadriplegic at 20 years old. after becoming a quadriplegic at 20 years old, his career takes off and never uses it as an excuse. He says, there's a few things I got to tell you. In the meeting, by the way, two people's phones went off. I'm proud to say the first person's phone that went off was Tom Ellsworth. In the middle of the meeting, he loves just having the phone go off. It was a monumental moment. Was it as bad as the second one? When he was speaking. What the hell? It wasn't as bad as the second one. But it was still the first.

2:20:00Tom set the tone for the second one. Yeah, Tom was the inspiration. He says, you know, I watch a lot of YouTube videos nowadays. And he says, you know what's the most thing I'm envious about? He says, people who have hands. Oh, yeah. To be able to touch the people that you love and just use your hands. He says, I don't have that. He says, when this happened to me, I had three choices. Death, depression, or perseverance. He says, I chose perseverance. He says, you know why? He says, because his words, I don't want to die. I love life. I don't want to leave my loved ones. For many years, he says, I studied unjust suffering, which kind of goes back to what Billy Crystal was talking about.

2:20:40And I wrote most of my conclusions on unjust suffering 30 years ago on a book called Happiness, right, that he wrote about. And he says, I've always been more interested in what God wants from me, not what I want from God. And he says, the key to happiness, the mother of happiness is gratitude. He says, I'm always happy because I'm always grateful for the life that I've given. Even now, he says, I believe that suffering is real. I never asked myself, why me since my accident? You know what he said? Instead of asking, why me? I constantly ask myself prior to the accident, why me? But he says, guess why I said why me?

2:21:15God, why am I so lucky to have this life? Why am I so lucky to have this life? And he continues, expectations eliminate the most basic thing to happiness. The secret to happiness is gratitude. All grateful people are happy people, and all unhappy people are ungrateful. What an interesting thing to say. Optimism, he goes into talking about optimism. He says, you cannot be happy. Look at the words on what he says here. This was my favorite part of the whole thing. You cannot be happy if your primary identity is a victim. If you view yourself as a victim, you cannot be happy. But you know what he said in that sentence, Vinny?

2:21:54Let me read this one more time. Just please listen to this, folks. This is the most powerful part. He says, you cannot be happy if your primary identity is a victim. Then he says, even if you are a victim, you cannot do that. What a powerful thing. He says, my identity is Zenist. I'm not a victim. Of all things I asked for when I was conscious was iced coffee. He says, the moment I became conscious, I'm like, can I get some iced coffee? And so his son had three different drinks in the back. He kept giving him sips to drink, water, iced coffee. Patrick, what's happened to you conservatives? This is a Hollywood millionaire elite Billy Crystal complaining about a mansion getting burned down.

2:22:31and now you're feeling bad for him. Screw him. So many people around the world have it so much worse than him. You're right. You're right. Why is it even in the news if Billy Crystal believes in God or not? But a part of it is his environment. So let me wrap it up with this, and then I'll come to a couple of you guys, and then we'll wrap up. He said, I would give anything to wheel myself around. He can't even do that because it's neck down. I've spent most of the last two years to breathe without a ventilator and to regain my normal voice, and he finally got it back. He says, I lost 80 % of my income while my expenses have skyrocketed the last two years.

2:23:06And despite all of that, I refuse to call myself a victim. On virtually any Sunday morning, Sue would be downstairs, except for this morning she was upstairs. If she wasn't upstairs, she saw him fall. If she didn't see me fall, I would be dead right now. And the only reason is because I wanted to try my new razor that I bought because I'm too impatient to use a new toy that I bought. That's it. He says it was impatience of me wanting to use a new razor. And the last thing he says, Vinny, this is so powerful. He says, you know what's the one thing that we have as human beings? He says, all we have is memories.

2:23:41Memories is everything to humans. You lose your memories, you're gone. No gratitude, no happiness, no memory, no gratitude. And last but not least, the pandemic of adult children was those who don't speak to their parents. That's how he said this message. So for me, with Billy Crystal, dude, you've been married 56 years. You got two kids. You got four grandkids. You're one of the most decorated actors of all time. Sell the next generation some gratitude instead of this victim. Give me a flip and break. Screw him. He could still see. He has his vision. He could walk. He could talk. You're going to sit.

2:24:22By the way, he's still crazy rich. Also, it's just this Hollywood ego that we have to even know about his belief in God. Yeah, like, where did I have it? Oh, poor me, because the fires of God. When's the last time? And a good point, because when's the last time you even heard the name Billy Crystal? Be honest. City Slickers 4. I don't remember. The Jazz Bag. But he's cemented. Oh, no, absolutely. He has an Oscar. Yeah, yeah, he cemented. But to think God sitting there looking at Billy Crystal going, I'm going to ruin your whole. Adam, keep it short to a minute. I've got to wrap up. Well, I'll just say this.

2:24:52There wasn't a dry eye in the room yesterday. No, he was. The fact that this guy came on stage, quadriplegic, showed up, and gave not only a wise, monumental-type speech, but also with humor. The guy's the epitome of a mensch. Here's my prediction. He's going to be the most powerful speaker in America for the rest of his years because he has the know-how and also the wisdom to basically move America. But you know what he said? Because there was a common theme there. The left is ruining America. He used at one point, the leftists are unhappy because they're ungrateful lowlifes. That's what he said.

2:25:27Yeah, he did. Ungrateful lowlifes. And then speaking of God, Billy Crystal would be very well served to have one conversation with Dennis Prager, I guarantee you. Because I went through my atheist phase right there, and it's just not a good life. He said, don't feel sorry for me. He said, am I lucky to be alive or unlucky that I'm a quadriplegic? He can speak and still move people with his words. He said this. he said this is the most powerful thing for anybody that's that's interested i think tom you got this he said the relationship with god he says everyone thinks like you know what why didn't god do this for me i god i oh god do this for me please god pray to god he goes no no no it's what does god expect from you are you using are using all your capabilities all your skill sets to best serve the lord above and the people around you if you look at it that way you'll understand where God is.

2:26:20He said, do not feel sorry for me. I've had an amazing life sitting as a quadriplegic. Do not feel sorry for me. So I'm so grateful that he's alive. And I'm so grateful that he's speaking with him. And by the way, you know what he said? He says, you know, you're the last podcast I did. I think it was the last podcast that he did with us. And then he said, hey, I'd like to come back on a podcast. Can you imagine we walk in this room? Can I just say this? We walk in this room. I mean, this is his first speech in public. Pat walks in. They literally, like, it was, Pat, he wants to talk to you. He goes, Patrick, first thing, I'm so proud of you.

2:26:58I have to come on your podcast again. We're like, oh, my God. Whatever you want, Prager. Aaron Prager, shout out to you guys. Respect to Dennis Prager. Incredible. What a man. Much love to Dennis, to Sue, to the son, to the grandson, Daniel. We met Daniel and the granddaughter. DP3 was great. But anyways, Adam, great having you on. Enjoy. We started a little bit choppy. Well, we finished good. We appreciate that. And hopefully in the future, just remember flow. We can debate all that stuff, but it's the flow that matters. No, no. He said something very rude. And Adam's. Adam, you can. Wait. You can apologize right now.

2:27:31I've already apologized. You're being cowardly. No, no, no. You know what I'm saying. You almost said that. You're being cowardly. Adam, what's your YouTube channel? I want Adam to apologize. It's very rude. Adam, do you want me to apologize again? No, you're not apologizing for what you have to do. I'm going to give you a hug after the show. I don't want a fucking hug for me. All right, we got to wrap up. Hey, Adam, the Adam Friedland Show. The Adam Friedland Show. We'll put the link below. Go support him. He does some very good interviews with Newsom, Mark Cuban, a lot of other guys. He's actually a very, very good interviewer.

2:27:58You got to give him the power. He's a very good job. God bless everybody. Have a good weekend. Take care. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.

2:28:33I'll see you next time.

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