Drowning or Foul Play on Horn Island? Inside the Conflicting Stories in the Nolan Wells Case

29:46They would be going door to door. Everyone's getting arrested. So I just, I think it's weird. I think it's weird. And I think it's completely understandable that Nolan's parents feel like something is off about it. and they don't necessarily have the full hope and trust that the investigators are going to get them the answers they desperately need. They have stated multiple times that they feel like so many things are not adding up. Nolan's parents have come out to state that he would never not go on the boat when his friends are leaving. Like he was always taught that if you go somewhere with five people, you come back with five people.

30:22I mean, in this case, it's four, but you get what they're saying. Nolan's dad reiterates, he always taught Nolan, do not separate from the group. I always told him safety is in numbers. So he knew to stay with his group. Why would he split from the group? I don't know. It's just one thing to note, though, is that some have argued he's not just staying behind in a random location downtown where he doesn't know anybody else. Technically, there are other friends on the island, friends of Nolan's. So I'm not sure if maybe that was a different situation where Nolan felt like maybe I could go back with a different friend.

30:53maybe that's why he could have felt comfortable staying on the island to talk and hang out with other people but I don't know if that's the case. This case is also just incredibly tricky. I do find myself comparing it frequently to the Tamla Horsford case and feeling a lot of emotions based off of my own personal lived experiences. I do think asking questions and putting pressure on the investigators is perfectly warranted if not welcomed. I do think that the majority of netizens feel that sentiment. They're just frustrated with the investigation. They're frustrated with the investigators. They think it's weird.

31:29They think it's confusing. It just isn't sitting right with people. Had the investigators gone in full force, locked down everyone's statements, grilled everybody that was there that day, and they came forward to the public and said, hey, we've got everyone's alibis. We're talking to everyone. This is the timeline of events, and we've confirmed the timeline of events, I don't think so many people would be turning their heads. A lot of the times investigators are trying to come forward and give like a very concise timeline. And they also do that for people to give more tips. They're like, here's the timeline.

32:02Here's the time we think that he was last seen, specifically here by these people last saw him. He was doing this, like, please call us. I mean, they have been asking for tips, but it just, they haven't done something where it feels, it's a lot of like media doing the work. It's a lot of media getting people's statements and then coming up with their own timelines based off this person said this at 3 p.m. And that this person tracking boats, tracking people's movements. But it's not like the investigation is like, oh, let me tell you guys everything we've done. And we've cleared all these people through their alibis and this and like cell phone tower data.

32:34Like it's just. And as of recently, one of the boat friends has come out to do an interview with a YouTuber by the name of Officer Tatum. Warren shares his experiences with what it was like being Nolan's friend and he says that they would go to Waffle House once a week together to eat they've known each other since high school and now they're it seems like they're at different colleges and they still hang out when they come home on the weekends Warren states that going to Horn Island together for the 4th of July is super common he says quote we went last year Nolan was on the boat with me last year I mean this was a common thing this is one of the three yeah 4th of July you know everyone was out there like I said nolan was always trying to go out on the boat trying to get a trying to go out there with us and he was always welcome to come he explains that the boat trip was not just oh four guys on a boat he describes it as we had roughly 20 30 people coming with us so we were on three separate boats he describes it as they all met up and the plan was all 20 to 30 of them we're going to get on three separate boats and go to the island so it's not just four people on a boat that's like Let's go to the island and see who else is there.

33:42Okay. He says, we were all following each other out there as one big group. It wasn't just me, Nolan, and a couple of my other buddies. There was 20 to 30 people spread out where we all met at the dock before. And then we departed to go to Horn Island. Horn Island on the 4th of July is the most popular day to be on the water throughout the entire Gulf Coast. I mean, everybody and their mom is on the water on the 4th of July. There's no telling. I mean, roughly, probably 2, 3, maybe even 4 ,000 people out there. There were boats lined up on the island. There were three rows of boats all the way until my vision ended.

34:11We were parked on the north side of the west tip. It wasn't just there, though. I mean, there were tons of people packed on the south side, on the east side, in the middle of the island. He says they got to the island 10.30 a.m. We pulled up 10.30. I mean, it was an early afternoon, but 10.30 is still pretty early in the day. And when we got there, there was already three rows of boats lined up all the way, like I said, until I could see. He says there's people on boats grabbing drinks and food, whatever else. I mean, everybody's fully prepared for the 4th of July. They bring all the drinks and food they need because they've been preparing for the 4th of July for a little while now.

34:43But when we got there, I helped my buddies tie the boats up because the, you know, the line was right here. The Palm Beach was, you know, in the middle. And then the Chaitren, so he's talking about the other boats, was on the other side. There was about a drop off from where the bow was. I mean, he seems like he fishes a lot. So he knows a lot about boats. Like he's really into boats. he was like if you jumped off the boat you were probably about neck deep in water but if you jumped off the stern you were probably waist deep in water so like the boat is anchored where there's a drop i see right but you know when we got there we tied up got bow and rear anchor set and we tied up all the boats made sure that we were good and everybody just got in the water he says that nolan was drinking everybody was drinking they're all it seems like a lot of them are not 21 yet and I mean Nolan seemed completely fine every time I talked to him we just had regular conversations and Nolan was making me laugh I had a couple conversations with Nolan and Jayvon Nolan and my buddy James I could tell you I mean I talked to Nolan a couple times but it wasn't like I was strictly sitting there talking to Nolan the whole day I mean there were like hundreds of people I knew out there he says about leaving Nolan he says so Wyatt which I guess is another friend was having boat issues and the bilge wouldn't pump so the bilge is basically a pump that releases water from your boat when water comes in.

36:02So I open the back hatch and there's water up to the batteries and that is obviously not good. There's water almost coming over, you know, which is where your motor sits, which is, you know, is by the stern in the back of the boat. So obviously we were in emergency. We're trying to save the boat. It's not like we didn't ask Nolan or we just left Nolan. Nolan decided to stay on the island with the girl that he was with and the girl is a witness to that too. He says that they were yelling at him to get on the boat, but Nolan said that he wanted to stay. Katie apparently texted a friend of theirs later in the chaos, and she said that the last time she saw Nolan was when someone was yelling at him to get on the boat.

36:39Meaning what? He got on the boat? It seems like he didn't. But then other reports were saying that Katie said he got on the boat. We don't have Katie's statements. And I think that's another thing that the investigators are kind of dropping the ball on. So that statement you just said, where is that from? That's from Warren. Warren is saying like we have proof that like Katie, we were yelling at him get on the boat, but he didn't want to get on the boat. And then Katie told a friend that that was the last time she saw him too. Yeah. So both parties say that they saw him last at yelling at him to get on the boat.

37:15It seems like it. But again, we can't be sure. Right, right, right. Okay. Because, I mean, we didn't talk to these people. But also another thing is interesting is I think that would clear up a lot of the theories and rumors online if the investigators just straight up said, hey, so we talked to the girl that he was talking to and she said he did or did not get on the boat. That's like a huge point of contention, because if he got on that boat, the three boat friends have a lot of explaining to do. If he didn't get on the boat, then maybe a lot of other people on the island could potentially have a lot of explaining to do.

37:50Or this really is a case of accidental drowning. I mean, it just gets us closer. But because we don't even have a clear answer of if he got on the boat or didn't get on the boat, it's like, well, now we feel like everyone's saying different things. Did he get on the boat or did he not get on the boat? Like, it's not that hard. Did he get on the boat or not? Just give us the answer to that. Why is that so difficult? I don't understand. He's saying that night they're all hanging out. So they get back at 4.30 and then I guess some other guys come back. And they're all hanging out. And Warren says they start talking about Nolan.

38:19And they're like, oh. So you're saying they left at 4.30 because the boat was breaking down? Yeah, they do send out a distress call too. Where they're like, the boat is sinking. But then eventually they don't really need a tow. I guess the boat fixed somehow or got better. Okay, so they drove it back to the other side. and they're hanging out over there now. Okay. And then I guess other friends make their way from Horn Island back to where they're hanging out and everyone's like, wait, where's Nolan? They're like, wait, I thought Nolan was, I guess it seems like the conversation is more so, well, I guess Nolan, I thought Nolan was coming with you.

38:55I thought Nolan was coming with you, right? And so they're freaking out and Warren says, well, if nobody's seen Nolan and he's not, like I'm going to call Christine, his mom, and I'm going to call the Coast Guard. So he calls Christine, and he's the friend that seemingly informs Christine that Nolan is missing. Warren? Yeah, and he also calls the Coast Guard, which is interesting that he calls the Coast Guard. So Officer Tatum even questions that, and he's like, well, if you knew that he was with a girl, why did you call the Coast Guard? Because what if he's with the girl? I'm assuming he called the girl, no?

39:29I don't know. It doesn't seem like it. It seems like Katie was texting them after the fact. Oh, so he didn't contact Katie. No, because they don't really know Katie. Oh. So I think they found Katie like through friends of friends of friends or something. That seems like what it's being insinuated. And again, I have no answers for anything. Okay. So Officer Tatum is like, well, why did you call the Coast Guard? And he's like, because I've like, I've lost people I know out at Horn Island from drowning. And he's like, I'd rather be the guy that does too much and calls the Coast Guard than not. And it is interesting.

40:02So some people think that the way that he talks about boats and fishing, he seems like very well versed in boating. He also emphasizes a lot of, I guess, boating safety quite frequently. So some people believe that's the right call. Like if you're in that life where you're fishing all the time, on a boat all the time, on the water all the time, you call the Coast Guard. You're not taking chances. Other people are saying it's weird that you call the Coast Guard right away. Interesting.

40:32Need a boost? Sometimes all it takes is tapping into your inner cool. Icebreaker's gum helps you unleash the confidence within. Each chew releases a rush of icy flavor powered by cooling flavor crystals, sending a wave of refreshment to reinvigorate all your senses. Icebreaker's convenient pack fits everywhere, from car cup holders to backpack pockets, so you can find your cool wherever you go. Grab Icebreaker's gum online or at a store near you. This summer, stay cool with Dunkin's lineup of refreshers. These drinks are packed with bold, fruity flavors and served ice cold. Flavors include fan favorites, mango pineapple and strawberry dragon fruit, and for a limited time, black cherry and pink pineapple.

41:15Try your favorite flavor with green tea, sparkling water, lemonade, or Dunkin's all-new Lime Aid. Or if you don't want to build your own, try one of Dunkin's curated refreshers like the Cherry Lime Ricky or the Ultimate Pink Daydream. Head to Dunkin's today and find your favorite refresher. Dunkin' Refreshers contain less than 1 % fruit juice, limited time offer. This episode is supported by FX's The Shards, a seductive drama from executive producer Ryan Murphy. Set in 1980s Los Angeles, the series follows a group of glamorous, deeply entangled high school seniors drawn into a life of wealth, beauty, parties, and excess.

41:53At its center is Brett, whose reality begins to unravel when the arrival of a new student coincides with a series of mysterious murders. FX's The Shards premieres August 5th on FX and Hulu.

42:11As we're editing this, there's just been a bunch of updates and I just wanted to come in here and fill you guys in because I think the full context is super important here. For the sake of full transparency of when these episodes are filmed, when the audio podcast goes live, when the video podcast goes live, this audio podcast on the podcast feeds is probably going to go live in like a few hours, like the minute that we're done editing this. However, the video takes a little bit longer. So that's going to be like another two days for the video to go live. If there's any updates from when the audio is posted to when the video is posted, we're going to leave that in the pinned comments on YouTube.

42:47Just keep a reminder of that. There's been a lot of updates. It felt like for a long time, there were no updates. And then all of a sudden they start rolling out and there's just a lot of discourse we need to cover. So let's get into the distress call. Originally, when we were talking about the distress call, it just came out as, hey, there was a problem with the boat. Judge Ashley Cole even mentioned it in her Facebook post later. There seems to be something with like the bilge pump, the boats taking in water. Warren does a whole podcast episode on Officer Tatum's YouTube channel about it. And there was clearly some sort of story with the boat being in distress.

43:21Like at that point, there were conversations that there was a phone call made to possibly get towed. It was confusing whether or not the boat was actually towed or not. However, the full phone call of the boat calling in a distress call has been released, or at least what I think is the full phone call. So I'm just going to try to be as up to date in the reporting and all of this. We're going to go in full depth onto the phone call and what people think they hear from the phone call. And it was released by WLOX News. This is a local Mississippi Gulf Coast news station. and the published audio recording of the phone call was made to the Sea Toad Dispatch on July 4th.

43:59It's made presumably by the teenagers on the boat that had originally brought Nolan to Horn Island earlier that day, but then left, they say, preemptively because the boat was taking on water because of the bilge pump. Before we go over the contents of the phone call, I just want to be clear about the legitimacy of this call, because even that has been called into question. WLOX News did report that they got the recording from the Mississippi Department of Marine Resources. What is WLOX? It's like a local news station. Okay, okay. So this is like a, I don't know if I would go as far to call them like legacy media, but it's a huge news station, right?

44:34And so they said that they got it from the Mississippi Department of Marine Resources. Now, had someone like TMZ said that they got it from MDMR, I don't know. Maybe some people would be more or less inclined to believe it. But with WLOX, I will say I am inclined to trust that the MDMR did. Do you say people were more inclined to believe if TMZ posted it? Would be more inclined to question the authenticity of where they got it, right? But I mean, WLOX, if they were just flat out lying about this, the journalistic consequences would be pretty grave. However, I will just note MDMR has not officially come out and said that they did release this phone call.

45:15So this news station said they got it from this Marine people. But okay, so it's directly reported from this news station. Yes, but there's just a lot of... Some people are calling into question the authenticity. Some people are... It gets more and more complicated as we go on. But this is just like the first layer. Now, as far as we know, this is an 8-minute, 50-second audio recording. And just to give any clarifications just in case, I think this definitely is a case where it is panic-inducing. So I think, you know, a lot of things we just get a little bit more emotionally riled up with this case.

45:50There are going to be moments of just pure silence in this original or like as original as we're going to get audio. And that is for the purpose of redactions to protect private numbers like phone numbers. So I didn't see any redacted moments of silence where they shouldn't be. So far from the context, it seems that they all line up with phone numbers. Now another thing we can confirm about this call is there are no reports from investigators identifying which teen exactly was the caller. The internet has their suspicions that the caller may be a teen named Wyatt because it seems he's the one, you know, context clues, deduction.

46:25He seems to be the one that owns the boat or his family owns the boat, but it has technically been unconfirmed as of right now. So why is this distress call notable? Well, first, the call was kind of just general confirmation that the teens who were with Nolan that day did seem to have boat issues, at least according to the call. There's suspicions whether or not that is real, though. If the problem is real or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, there is no official time of when the call was made that has been released to the public. But in short, some teenager on the boat call Sea Toad Dispatch.

46:59They report the situation. They say that the boat is taking on water. they say that there's about seven people aboard and the whole like seven people on board is it is weird like the whole phone conversation about it is kind of strange they provide their coordinates or their alleged coordinates as some netizens say and ultimately once the teens hang up the dispatcher calls her captain okay so the dispatcher is probably on land somewhere and she's taking these calls her name is vicky and she's you know taking calls from a bunch of people and then she has to call the captain and if the captain needs to tow someone, it's the captain that goes out.

47:34Oh, I see. And that is recorded as well. So Vicky calls her captain, who is just like her boss, right? And she reports this distress call and the captain is recorded telling Vicky, the dispatcher, well, I just got off the phone with like the grandfather of the teenager that called you. At the same time. We don't know how much time has passed, but I would imagine that Vicky called him immediately. Yeah, it's urgent. Yeah. and he says the grandfather said they have the situation under control and did not need towing so that's you know ultimately as we know seato confirmed that they never towed the boat so the grandfather wasn't at the island no and so the kids called the grandfather too yes but that's okay how is that in the time frame that the boat got fixed that's okay that i also think is weird because i i mean i've listened to this audio so many times i couldn't really put together someone else in the background having a phone conversation with the grandfather.

48:30Yeah. The caller that called the CTO dispatch didn't appear to be having a conversation on a separate phone line or maybe he was texting. I really don't know. Like, I don't know. Or maybe somebody else was and we just can't hear it. Okay. So it's unclear. Now, the enhanced versions of the audio have started catching fire online. Some netizens are wondering, you know, why if the teens call the CTO, why hasn't the audio from the phone call between the captain and the grandfather been released. Now, this is where it gets interesting because people are like, well, it wouldn't be released if it were a private phone conversation.

49:07So when you call dispatch and when dispatch is calling her captain and all of these things, these are automatically recorded. But let's say I, a regular civilian, am calling another civilian who happens to be a captain on the job on his private phone number, it's not going to be recorded automatically, meaning maybe they had a conversation on personal cell phones and not through the dispatch lines, which then brings up questions for netizens of like, how connected are the families of the teens who were with Nolan on Horn Island? Now, merely being well connected does not have any sort of implication of guilt.

49:40I will say that. But obviously for a case like this, it's a huge question that netizens want answered. They want it answered in the sense of, did that connection play a role in any sort of investigation into this case. Again, not saying that somebody is guilty just because they're well-connected, but they just want to know. People want to know. People want answers. That's it. Like, they just want answers for Nolan's family, and Nolan's family desperately want answers for their process of grieving and for the memory of their son as well. Now, I will say, on the flip side, this could be explained by a simple explanation of all members with Seto have a private line to the captain, because i know there's lots of memberships where you do get private lines or like even with like some people are bringing up like concierge doctors you get a private line to the doctor you don't go through like the weight room and the first you know the receptionist desk but again i guess that would also point to are they super well connected which again is not an indication of guilt but like people are just wondering i just don't understand how the boat was sinking and then not sinking and then that was good so there's i also thought it was really weird now some people could say my feeling of weird stems from the fact that i have no experience on boats but they said that they did eventually get towed by a third party for a short period apparently they were saying like if you're getting towed on the water water starts coming out of the boat whether it's the moving at a certain speed it forces water out of the boat but there it seems like they were standing kind of still and the boat was taking on water a nearby boat came helped tow them a little bit how do we know this it's in the report later yeah so like that's what they're saying but then again with even things like the report people are saying well it's he said she said i guess everyone is you know there's a lot of skepticism of every aspect of this case the skepticism is made even more clear when netizens start to isolate and enhance the audio to see if they can decipher the background shouting happening on the caller's side.

51:40And what they believe they have deciphered is netizens, well, some netizens believe in the background, you can hear the teens shouting and people believe they hear things that implicate the teenagers. Obviously, as of right now, this is unconfirmed and unconfirmed just means unconfirmed by authorities, right? And unconfirmed by the parties on the boat. it doesn't really mean anything other than that. These are unconfirmed. These are just netizen speculations. We will go over the enhanced audio and evaluate the legitimacy, but I do want to share. I think if you have not listened to this audio, it would be incredibly valuable to listen without any sort of context.

52:25You don't even have to listen to the enhanced version of the audio to isolate the background of this call. You can do it yourself. So that was a huge point of contention. people have been coming out and saying look i've isolated the voices i've taken away the background music i've done these i've tried to enhance the audio uh some people are saying well if you used ai of course it could alter things and ai likes to hallucinate you can do this by yourself no ai no isolation tools no final cut pro no editing software if you go to the audio as is posted by wlox news which i'm going to link in our show notes they have left it as a dual channel like two channels.

53:03So you just need a pair of earbuds. If you have your left earbud in, you can hear the dispatch in the background music. If you have your right earbud in, you just hear the callers. So you just hear the teenagers on the boat. Obviously, if you have both, you hear the full conversation. But if you just keep one earbud in, it's basically isolated. Now, it's not enhanced where you cut away the background noises of like the water and stuff. But I don't necessarily know if you need that because people are hearing things without isolating anything. And again, before I tell you what people think they are hearing, I think you should listen for yourself because there is a lot of conditioning that can happen.

53:39And I've dealt with this when we go through like body cam footage, and this is a huge point of conversation online. When you go through your body cam footage and you have a transcript you're matching it to, your ears are going to kind of try to make those connect. Even if those are not the words being said, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying this is something that happens to humans. Like we like to visually fill in the blanks. We like to audibly fill in the blanks. So right now, if you have not heard anything about this, listen and see what you hear. Good to connect you.

54:23Detail Assistant, Vicki speaking. How can I help you? Hey, we're at the west tip of Horn, and our village pump stopped working. We're going. We're sinking. Can you all please come? We have a membership. All right, of course. How far is the water coming up, sir? Can you give me a description? Ankles.

54:45Hello? Hey. Yes. How far is the water coming up, sir? It's coming up. We're just thinking. I don't know. Like, we're going down. So, dispatch Cito picks up, and she's like, Vicky speaking, how can I help you? This teenage boy is on the other line, and he's like, we're at the west tip of Horn, and our village pump stopped working. We're sinking. Can you please come? We have a membership. Yeah, all right, of course. How far is the water coming up, sir? Can you give me a description? Ankles? Hello? Now, I don't know if the teens are like frantically doing something in the background or if the cell service is not good, but they're not really paying attention to the phone call because he's like, what'd you say?

55:27Yeah, hey, yes. How far is the water coming up, sir? It's coming up. We're just sinking. I don't know. We're going down there. All right. Well, let's get you going. Membership number or phone number listed on the account, sir? I don't know the phone number. It's either redacted. I think it's redacted. Try that. All right. I know we have a membership guaranteed. I don't have the tag on me. All right. You have a membership number or anything? It's okay. I'll get you over to the captain. What's the best phone number to reach you at? Redacted. All right. And is everybody on board in good health otherwise?

55:59Yeah, yeah. Everybody's. Oh, good. All right. Do you need the United States Coast Guard? What? Do you need the United States Coast Guard? No, we don't need that. Can I just like take a moment and pause, okay? So I'm sorry, this whole like editing mess has been a jumble in my head. But later on, one of the kids that was with Nolan that day on the island, and again, just me pointing out things that I personally think are weird are not me pointing the finger and insinuating guilt. It's just I myself in that situation would not behave in that way is all I'm saying. So he, for example, says that night when he realizes nobody brought Nolan back on any of their boats, it's dark outside.

56:38He said that he immediately called the Coast Guard just because he'd rather be safe than sorry. Now, I think this is a different individual than who is on the phone right now. But he did say that he was on the boat back when the village punt was not working. So Warren was on the boat back. But I don't know if he's the one on the call. I don't think he is. Right. But I just think it's interesting that you go from, well, you know what? get the Coast Guard just in case. You'd rather be safe than sorry. You'd always rather be safe than sorry. To all of a sudden, we're sinking, but we don't need the Coast Guard.

57:08Because I mean, wouldn't you rather just be safe than sorry? Now, of course, you could factor in maybe these kids don't want to get in trouble by their parents. Maybe calling the Coast Guard, their parents would take away their boat. I really don't know. There could be other factors. And again, they're, I guess, 18, 19, who knows how old. I just thought it was weird. Yeah. All right. All right. Do you have your current GPS coordinates? Let me go look. If not, I can send you a text message. Oh, are you ready? Yes, sir. I'm available. North 70 degrees by 4672. All right. 4672. All right. And you're breaking up a little bit.

57:41Can you just repeat it one more time to make sure I have it correct? Sorry. Hello. Can you hear me? Yeah. What? So you're breaking up. If you need assistance, do you have a VHF radio? No, we do not have VHF. All right. Well, let's try to get you going because you don't have good self-reception. Can you verify your coordinates one more time? Okay, my coordinates are 30 degrees by 14.684 north, and then west by 88 degrees by 46.79.

58:15Right, it looks like you're on Horn Island, correct? Are you on Horn Island? Yes. All right, is the boat sinking or you have it aground? We are sinking, yes. Is it a ground is the question? No, we're not a ground. We are in 17 foot of water. We're in 31 foot of water. All right, I have to ask. And what do you want to do? Do you want to be towed back? I want to get this boat on sank and towed back, yes. All right, where would you like your towed to, sir? You can tow it to Ocean Springs or Fort Bayou Line. All right, how many adults and children on board? No, there's no children. So is there anybody on board?

58:59How many adults, sir? That was the question.

59:07Hello, can you hear me?

59:17So now it sounds like he's yelling at somebody else on the boat to pull the plug of the boat or something hello sir hello yeah i just need to answer a few questions so i can get you over to the captain how many adults on board there's zero adults on board what yeah so it does seem like most of them are over the age of 18 again i don't know exactly who's on this boat right now it has not been publicly confirmed exactly who in their ages but it just i don't know if they just don't categorize themselves as adults but they also don't categorize themselves as kids so i don't really know what's going on okay it just doesn't make any sense i also have a sneaking suspicion that the person on the call sounds slightly intoxicated but that's just an opinion that i have okay now there's nobody on board the boat no nobody here is over the age of 21 oh so like i that's also yeah that is really weird to me because i've never yeah 21 well clearly it sounds like they're asking how many people's on there but he emphasizes on nobody's over age of 21 now people some people think it's really weird and evasive other people think that this is just a bunch of bozo kids who are trying to get away with underage drinking and driving a boat but like that also doesn't like none of that makes sense yeah if you want to get away you wouldn't even mention the age yeah then you would just say okay there are seven people on boat why anyways yeah it doesn't make any sense so that was not the question is there a person now this is the part where it's weird like i i don't know if vicky was maybe getting frustrated with the phone call or it's just very odd and of course in this situation everyone has been nitpicking this sentence because it's weird she says is there a person a living individual on the boat because i guess she's trying to get to the answer of how many individuals are on the boat he's like is there a person on the boat is kind of what it yes but it's also kind of weird like the conversation is like when you read a really bad book with bizarre dialogue where they're not even having like i just don't know how to pinpoint usually i can pinpoint oh i think this person was trying to say this or they're getting frustrated but this one i'm like all of these answers are so weird like what do you mean no one's over 21 and then she's like is there anyone alive on the boat, which is also weird.

1:01:44If I were Vicky, I would just say, how many people, how many persons? One, two, three, like count, you know, instead of, is there people that are alive, living persons on the boat is kind of a weird question to ask as well. And again, weird question does not mean anything other than I just thought it was a weird question. He says, hello, is there a living person, someone breathing on the boat? Is there anybody on the boat? Yes, there's lots of people breathing on the boat which is such a weird response because i again if i heard that i'd be like what are you talking about everyone's breathing what is this what is this question right so there's seven people on the boat yeah they're okay yeah the whole this whole back and forth i've listened to it so many times trying to pinpoint maybe this person's at this because of this but it's just weird the dispatch says all right how many people sir like seven all right thank you does everyone have life jackets i i will say um just another disclaimer maybe the cell service is really that bad so like they maybe we're just hearing a very clear version of it but in real time they couldn't hear any anyway he verifies it's a triton a 22 foot triton that is in sea flight offshore sea flight hole that is sinking taking on water and she says okay i'm going to transfer you to the captain right now so it does seem instant because she keeps them on hold yeah So then she calls captain and the captain is like, this is Captain Seth.

1:03:12And she, okay, this is another thing that I also picked up, which was really weird. I actually haven't seen this in most cases outside of East Asia. So like in the United States, when you call your captain or you call your boss, yeah, you're probably not going to talk to them like, hey, this is what fucking happened. Like you're probably not going to have that tone. You're going to have a professional tone. But she almost sounds like weirdly apologetic. I just thought it was weird. Okay, she's like, this is Icky from International. How are you doing today? Doing good. How are you? Good, good. I apologize ahead of time.

1:03:42I really do. Which I think it's weird to apologize. That's his job. Anyway, you're going to have a fee for service come up under. Okay, it sounds like a bunch of kids on board on Horn Island. He's letting me know that his father's a member, but he can't give me any information. And he's saying the boat is sinking and he's on Horn Island. It's just unfortunate. He's just a kid. There's a lot going on. So he He said there's a lot of people on board. He says he thinks about seven. I'm guessing they're all under 18. And I'm not trying to be rude. He wants you guys to go out there and unpump the boat and then tow it in.

1:04:17I don't know how that's rude. Yeah, yeah. Why is she apologizing for doing her job? The only context I was trying to pick up on is it seems like it was swamped because it was 4th of July. And maybe the captain is getting agitated. and maybe the captain is getting agitated by a bunch of drunk people on boats like causing a stir okay okay so i don't know but it just that's not her fault either but the whole dynamic was just kind of weird do you know what kind of boat it is now the captain i will say doesn't sound mean like or anything and vicky doesn't sound weird either it's just like i thought the tone was interesting do you know what kind of boat it is he said a triton 24 footer but that's all he can give me okay all right yeah i actually just got off the phone with his grandpa who i'm guessing is the owner of the boat um yeah he said i i mean literally i just i mean i just hung up with him he said that they don't need any help right now but if something changes he'll call back so that is crazy so i'm guessing that they may have figured it out because that's what he said so they're in a panic and their boat won't crank yeah they're in a panic he's saying the village not just not keeping up i asked you know for coast guard he said no but he's just really upset on the back end.

1:05:25And I get it. It's a kid. He just doesn't understand. Okay. Do you still have him on the line? Yeah, I still have him on the line. And again, he couldn't give me anything regarding his grandfather's membership. So it's just an under fee for service. Okay. All right. Yeah. I just talked to, uh, if you want to, I mean, we're so tied up right now. We can't really do any non-member jobs right now. Is he a member? Did you find out if he was a member or not? Yeah. I'm not sure if it's his boat or what. I'm not sure what's going on with it, but yeah, transfer the kid over. I'll talk to him and then I'll call his grandpa back as well.

1:05:56All right. And did you want me to look up his membership number or anything like that? I know you guys are, you know, swamped. You can try a cell phone number. So he's giving grandpa's number, it seems. Yeah. And he's like, did you get anything? And she's like, OK, yeah, hold on. Yes, he's an active member. And what kind of boat do they have on there? So he's trying to match the number with the boat because I guess, you know, if you're a member, but it's not your boat, whatever. She's like, yeah, yeah, he's one of the members, 22 foot Triton. All right. I'll just disregard this one. I'm going to send you over an accurate one under this one.

1:06:27And he's one of your members. You'll get in a couple of minutes. Okay. So she's probably sending some sort of member file. Okay. Perfect. All right. And yeah, just transfer this kid over whenever you get the chance. All right. Transferring him now. Thank you again, captain. And she goes back over to talk to the kids, but it seems like they're not responding. So she's just like, okay, well, they're not responding. She's like, hello, are you there? hello and then she says i will be disconnecting due to lack of response is there noises on the phone or is it silent it's not like dead silent it doesn't sound like it's an active line the first layer of suspicion that a lot of netizens feel with this phone call is the layer that we discussed of the actual conversation that's happening between dispatch and the teenagers and the whole grandpa element so again people think it's weird that they don't want coast guard to come.

1:07:15People think it's weird that the grandpa is on the phone with the captain. Who's the grandpa to the captain? Do they know each other? People just think this whole situation is a little bit bizarre. They need towing. The boat is sinking. They need it unsank and towed, but then all of a sudden they don't need a tow, but we don't know what's changed. So it just, that's the first layer of suspicion. Now, what really sends this call into orbit online is this enhanced audio version that began doing its rounds. These clips were processed and re-released by Janetta Brantley. She is an audio engineer in the entertainment industry who used isolation techniques.

1:07:50She has stated that she did not use any AI. Now, Janetta first posted a clip from the beginning of the call to her social media, and that's where it starts getting viral. One thing that I will note is that even though she does request viewers to listen for themselves, the initial post got a lot of flack from other individuals because she added a transcript of what she believes she heard from the audio alongside the enhanced audio. So some people didn't like that because, you know, there are things like conditioning of your mind. It's called top-down listening effect or transcript priming. Your brain tries to match the unclear audio to the transcript that you are given.

1:08:28Now, normally, I don't know if I would agree with this because I would like to think that we're smarter than that. But then after just watching so many body cam videos and trying to like match transcripts to a bunch of like court live stream footage, I will say it is hard, but I don't know if that's what's happening in this case. But because of that, a lot of people were upset, saying like, Janetta, you should have just released the audio enhanced version instead of telling everyone what you heard because now people can only hear what you heard. But again, if you haven't listened independently, I highly recommend you doing so now because we're about to go over the transcript that Janetta believes she heard in the enhanced audio.

1:09:03And this is background. So this is someone behind the caller. on the boat, but not the caller himself saying this or allegedly saying this. This is what people think that they hear from the audio. Is someone in the background of the boat saying something along the lines of, can we cover it up? Yeah, I thought all about that. Oh, you killed him. He's already dead. Is he dead? Yeah. Nolan. Oh my God, Nolan, wake up. Wyatt, get, wake up. Get the fuck up. Damn it, Bart. Nono's really dead now. A lot of netizens who are already suspicious of the other teens present with Nolan pretty much believe that this is the smoking gun in this case.

1:09:44They're calling for arrests of the teens, their parents, perhaps even, you know, the Emmy or investigators that are involved in this case. But there are lots of netizens who are also very suspicious of the actual contents of the call that have been cited. A lot of other people are saying, well, it is weird, but we cannot confirm. So, you know, you have about like three groups of people, I would say. I will say a large group of people who believe and can hear this. And I will say like when I'm listening to it and I'm reading the transcript, I hear it. So I totally see that. Like really clearly?

1:10:16Yes. But then like it's it's tricky because I'm like, OK, now I need to factor in top down priming or whatever. But then like once I hear it, I can't unhear it. And then I try to listen to it over and over again and then I'm like, okay, well now I'm trying to unhear it and it gets really weird and I would say it's just difficult. I think the first time listening to it without any transcript is probably the best. Now, there's a large group of people who hear it and they want the right people to be arrested, identified, and for justice to be served, which a lot of people agree with. If that is actually what's happening in the phone call, yeah, for sure that needs to happen.

1:10:52Then you have a group in the middle where it's like, I heard it, but I don't know if I heard right. I don't know if it's my ear playing tricks on me. Like, I don't know what's going on. I think that there should be further heavy investigations, but I don't know if that's exactly what I heard. I don't know who's saying it. It could be something else. Like, we don't know. And then you have another group of people who are saying you could basically hear someone plotting JFK's assassination if you really wanted to, because that's how little you can hear. So you've got this very wide range of speculations that are sweeping the internet.

1:11:26And some people have just made it a moment to attack Janetta, which I think is very bizarre. Some people accuse Janetta of lying, of releasing fake audio. I don't see why Janetta would lie, especially if there are any legal consequences and especially if her career is going to be at stake. I just don't know why she would knowingly lie. Like that doesn't make sense to me, but there are people just using it as a moment to be racist because Jeanette is a black woman. And again, you don't have to go through Jeanette's version if you're, you know, like, oh, well, maybe she has skin in the game, right?

1:11:57Like you can just go through the version that WLOX posted on their YouTube channel and just listen with one earbud in and decipher for yourself. But people have accused her of trying to start some sort of race war. I mean, that's just been like an accusation that's been very loosely thrown out to pretty much everyone that's been outspoken about this case, when in reality, It just seems like a lot of people want answers. So that's been a whole thing. So after that, Janetta posted a longer cut without a transcript alongside the post. But even that, I think because of how she audio enhanced it, lots of people are coming after her.

1:12:33So some people are saying like she's blowing the case wide open and investigators are going to come after her. Other people are saying like, how do we know your process is real and accurate? Now we're just muddying the waters even more. Some netizens believe that the audio itself is jamming. They say that you can hear someone say Nolan's freaking dead. Some netizens say that they even hear splashing as if something large is hitting the water. Some netizens say that they can hear the caller say that there's seven people on the boat and someone appears or sounds like they're counting and it sounds like they're going up to eight, but then it's seven and, you know, that they accidentally counted Nolan.

1:13:11Netizens claim that the caller's denial of the Coast Guard is very suspicious. and suggest that the call was simply a means to record an alibi, though netizens say the background noise exposed them for what they were really doing, trying to figure out how to throw Nolan's body overboard. Again, a lot of this is, you know, there are even netizens who say that the boat is sinking and there's too much weight on the boat, so they threw Nolan overboard. You know, there's just a lot of rumors, a lot of speculations, and as of right now, it is conjecture based on what people hear when they listen to the audio clip.

1:13:43These are theories. They're unconfirmed, but a significant amount of netizens have been talking about these theories. Some netizens are even suspicious, saying that they believe they heard a female voice in the background and they sounded older. Some people are saying it sounds like someone is video calling their mom then. Others are saying it could be this person or that person. Others want the dispatcher of this call to be interviewed by authorities, saying she is a witness. Now, I don't know exactly what they mean by the term witness. I do think that she should probably be interviewed. Yeah, I mean, I think she is an important element.

1:14:18I don't know if she knew anything beyond just a dispatch call. Some people were accusing her of knowing because she heard these things and was helping to cover it up. I mean, there's just a lot of huge accusations being thrown out online. Others want actual forensic audio analysts to review the enhanced and original audio. And some netizens are saying, I just can't make out anything. And that people just want to hear what they want to hear. I think the only undeniable part of this audio being released and the social media conversation around it is I do think that if the roles were reversed and if this was a young white man who drowned and not a young black man on a boat full of young black boys, I don't think there would be as much conversation online of you're just hearing what you want to hear.

1:15:04I think there would be probably a more streamlined online discourse of we need justice rather than like this whole fight about it almost on the internet. That's really the only undeniable thing that has come out of this audio footage as of right now. Now we're going to go back to the other elements of the case that was filmed a few days ago. And at the very end of this audio podcast, there's going to be more updates. and this interview I mean it's a series of interviews again posted on the YouTuber Officer Tatum's YouTube account but people have a lot of mixed feelings about it some and I think that this interview didn't change anyone's feelings I think people went in believing one thing and this interview just reinforced their thought so some people went in believing that these three original boat friends are being targeted by mobs when there's no evidence so far that they're involved and they say look at him doing this interview this is so forthcoming this is he's what do you mean by targeted by mobs um it's actually become such a political conversation where people think that this is a racial some people are saying well don't bring race into it other people are arguing how can you not bring race into it when a black boy is dead and race is like the undercurrent of everything in the United States, especially criminal justice systems.

1:16:31Like there is, you can't take race out of anything. Like it's impossible. And then some people are saying, well, because people want to make it about race, we're just going to target these three white boys, even though there's no evidence that they're involved and they did lose a friend and now they're getting sent death threats. And then other people are saying, well, that's not, it's just like a very, it's become very. It's not actual mobs. You're saying the mobs of people, right? Yeah. So it's just very complicated. And so some people are saying like, this is very admirable that he would come forward and do this because they're saying the original narrative was that he lawyered up.

1:17:13It was almost insinuating that these guys were not cooperating with law enforcement, but he's doing these podcast interviews. so it seems like perhaps he's trying to be as open and transparent as possible. Some people also believe that his demeanor comes off very trustworthy. I'm not certain. I don't think I can be the one to make a call on that. Then you have other people who came in, definitely a bit more suspicious of these friends. And one comment writes, how does he not shed one tear while he talks about his friend? Like, that's weird. You're saying this is such a close friend of yours. Others are saying this is an example why so many lawyers would advise against doing interviews like this.

1:17:49Mother of holy hell, this was incredibly stupid. Why are they doing this? A huge point of contention was that a lot of these friends had deleted their social medias and lawyered up. There are reports that they didn't show up to the funeral. And so, again, I think you come in with the idea that you want to have, and I think this will bolster and reinforce that idea. So some people have come in and said, well, of course they deleted their social media because instantly they're getting death threats and they want to be private. And the one part that I will agree with, I do think everyone should lawyer up before talking to police.

1:18:24OK, I don't know if it's as applicable in this case, but I don't ever think lawyering up when talking to police is a bad idea. So there is that some people are saying, of course, they would lawyer up. They should lawyer up. And then also not showing up to the funeral. The funeral was held at a point where I mean, the conversation was already so big. The funeral itself was being live streamed. It's a massive funeral. Some people are saying it makes sense that they wouldn't show up when it almost seems like the family's attorney have also kind of pointed fingers around. And maybe some of those fingers have indirectly landed on them.

1:19:04So why would they show up to the funeral? Others are saying it's really weird you didn't show up to the funeral because if this is a friend that you loved so much, so dearly, first of all, why did you leave him on the island? But second of all, you're not even going to show up to the funeral. And people are saying, if it were me and if it were my friend, I don't care if people think I'm guilty. I'm showing up to the goddamn funeral. Like no one could stop me from showing up to that funeral. Other people are also saying something where this is, again, like I'm typically never sold on the idea of not having an attorney present when being questioned by the police.

1:19:34But I also agree with the sentiment of if it were my friend and if there is this whole race conversation that has, of course, inevitably happened, I probably would want to be grilled by the police so that they know. And so my friend's parents know that that was not what happened.

1:19:55So, you know, again, you come in with the idea that you already have and these things are just reinforcing everyone's idea that they already had. He does state that in the next day, so July 5th, he and his friends were all out there looking for Nolan on Horn Island. And he says about being interviewed, so the first time I talked to the police was July 7th. I talked to the lead investigator and I told him my whole story top to bottom, dotted every I, crossed every T. I told them everything I knew, every little detail. I mean, everything I could tell them to try and figure something out. And just to make it clear, I think right now there's lots of netizens, sentiments, theories, and rumors.

1:20:32However, those are just feelings that people have based off of some interview clips as well as some of the things that we know about this case There's no evidence that any of these people were involved or somehow implicated in someone else's passing But I think it's weird that he was interviewed july 7th I'm, just saying fourth of july weekend if someone goes missing Young college football player goes missing. Oh, you say why is there a multiple day gap? Yeah I mean, sure, his body wasn't found until July 6th, but I feel like, why are you not interviewing people that night before people have time?

1:21:07Not saying that that's what happened. I'm not saying people took this time to do something nefarious, but why would you not question people, interview people, before they have technically, allegedly, the time to, like, get stories in order? And again, I'm not saying that that's what these kids did. I'm just saying, why are you interviewing them July 7th? there has also been a viral video circulating that attorney ben crump reposted on his social media that shows the fourth of july gathering on horn island and the video starts circulating because people are saying listen you can hear someone fighting in the background of this video and it sounds like nolan it sounds like a confrontation netizens who claim to have audio enhanced it say it sounds like maybe possibly nolan is maybe possibly saying give me my freaking phone what are you doing which okay like people are connecting well if that's true and nolan was without his phone when they found him.

1:21:56Maybe he got into some sort of altercation with the original boat friends that he came with. Is that a confrontation? Like, is that what happened and they left him without his phone or maybe something more nefarious happened? There is no proof of that, you know, or that this is even Nolan in the video or that's what's even being said. However, one of Nolan's friends has come on to Good Morning America to state that he's actually the one in the video, not Nolan. Some guy started a fight with him and Nolan wasn't even involved. He tells ABC News, that's me yelling. There was no talk about a phone in that video.

1:22:25Some people believe the friend. Others do not. Some people think it's weird that the friend is coming forward to say this because they're like, okay, everyone around Nolan, I will say it seems rough. A lot of them are getting a lot of social media backlash, death threats. But like suddenly you have this guy who's like, oh, I'm his friend. By the way, that's not Nolan in it. Some people are saying it's weird. This is one of the boyfriend too? No, this is a different friend by the name of Tristan. and he continues to state nobody would ever hurt Nolan in our friend group. We would die for him. We would do everything in our power for that guy.

1:22:57If he needed anything we would do it. Nolan brought us all together. He also says it's normal for everyone to leave their phones in the boats. He says all our friends are out there. Who are we communicating with? And we're in salt water. We're not in fresh water. When Nolan got in the water he put his phone on the boat dash also with probably 15 other phones. Trayston who is biracial says he feels like Benjamin Crump the Wells family attorney is framing nolan's death solely around race before the investigation has concluded he says quote they're trying to spin a narrative that's not there everybody just relax and let everybody mourn the loss of nolan let us remember him as the sweet guy he was and not something we're scared of because of the trauma we've had some people state it's odd that he would come forward just to say all these things others are saying well he's probably coming forward to say those things to dispel rumors and get investigators on the right track.

1:23:50Even this has become a huge point of contention. Nolan's parents have come out to state. So first of all, we don't know Trayston. We've never met him. So to say, you know, best friend, childhood friend, that's a bit of a stretch. We've never met him. He's never been to our home. Maybe high school they started hanging out or kind of been around each other. But again, we don't know him. And not to discount anything he has said, which of course, you know, we're still trying to rule out things. Benjamin Crump states, not only does Nolan's parents but his friends you know they reject this notion that he said he would volunteer to stay they're saying Nolan would never do that so Nolan's friends are saying Tristan doesn't really know Nolan if he's saying Nolan volunteered to stay there and we've had so many people calling our call center saying that there was an argument then there was another argument 10 minutes later but those people that I have called said Nolan was in an argument and so now we have to continue to investigate to try and figure out everything that's happened.

1:24:41And attorney Crump reposting this footage, a lot of people are saying, well, he should, because the investigators don't seem like they're getting answers. So we need to get answers. So he's amplifying this footage in connection to Nolan Wells's death so that maybe someone who was there knew something, heard something, and they can come forward. Or it gives more context or it gives the public an idea of what was happening that day. Others are saying maybe it's not the best idea for an attorney to repost footage that is unverified, is highly speculative. It just seems like it could damage a lot of other people around who may not be involved at all.

1:25:21And then other people are saying, well, why do you care about who's being damaged when a young boy is dead? Is that really like we're scared of damaging reputations when a young boy is dead? That's the priority. So it's a lot of back and forth. But a lot of people around Nolan Wells seems to have received death threats. Tracen says that he's been receiving death threats ever since his interviews. And he's no longer going to be talking about much of it online. Benjamin Crump, the attorney, says it's just weird. Basically, he's saying, quote, that's what a witness told us. That's what we put out.

1:25:56And then another witness has come forward and said, no, that was his voice. So saying it's like Nolan's voice in the footage. and we have other witnesses who said there were other altercations. We're trying to go through it all. We have audio people doing it, but we know certain people said it was him and there were certain people who said it was not him. So it's tricky. It's messy. It's likely further traumatizing Nolan's family who just want answers. Then a new video starts circulating by way of TMZ and they state this is a video of Nolan around 2 p.m. that day. He's seen on the back of a boat shirtless.

1:26:27A few things to note from this video. The boat is anchored pretty deep, So I guess it would be kind of tricky to get your phone, but I would still probably get a wet bag or hold it above my head while I'm waddling ashore. But that's just me because I'm like, I'm so attached to my phone when it comes to like just being able to even call 911. I would just want my phone. But that's my personal feeling. I'm not saying that's what happened. That's not what people are focused on, though. Some people are focused on the fact that he's shirtless. It was reported that he was found fully clothed. Now, that report has been more or less debated.

1:27:04See, it's like everything is debated. We don't even know if he was found fully clothed or just with his swim trunks. Okay. But that initial discrepancy started causing a lot of stir online again. Because he's in the video 2 p.m. shirtless. But then some reports were saying he was found fully clothed. So he went back to the boat to get a shirt, but he didn't go back to the boat to get his phone. People are saying it's weird. None of this makes sense. Now, I will clarify again, another official with the group that found Nolan clarified with media that he was not found fully clothed, that he was found only wearing swim trunks.

1:27:40So I don't know where that even came. Because we don't have answers, we just have theories. Let's break down some of those theories.

1:27:52If you've been around for a minute, you already know there's one wine that's always in rotation at our house and that is Stella Rosa. Stella Rosa is not one of those wines that makes you overthink it. It's semi-sweet, semi-sparkling, and it's ready to drink and enjoy. Stella Rosa Blueberry is bold and unexpected. It's been a fan favorite in the house. Oh, and there's the Sparkling Moscato Diasi. It is crisp. It's delicate. It's fizzy. It's just two completely different moods and they're both undeniable. Ever since trying the Stella Rosa Blueberry, it's just had my heart. It's the perfect middle between Stella Rosa Black and Stella Rosa Red.

1:28:31I've been able to pair it with any occasion, any dinner, and even for my friends who aren't the biggest fans of darker wines, it's just like a light, sweet enough to hit the spot. So if you haven't already found your go-to, now's the time. The full lineup, every single flavor is waiting at StellaRosa.com, or you can grab a bottle or two at any local retailer. Pick one, pick both, see which energy matches yours. Once you find it, you'll get it. And remember, you must be 21+. Please drink responsibly. The Hulu original series, Furious, is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Starring Emmy Rossum as Alice Black, Furious follows a rookie FBI agent on the hunt for a mysterious and calculating female serial killer.

1:29:11Watch the Hulu original series, Furious, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney +, for bundle subscribers. Terms apply. Pet parent guilt isn't something that's talked about much, but it is a feeling we all know well. When daily life gets in the way, it can feel impossible to measure up to our pet's unconditional love. But you're doing better than you think you are. And Hill's Pet Nutrition is here to help make this whole pet parenting thing easier with science-led nutrition to support their unique needs and lifelong health. My dog Tiger is on a no-fly list. The one time we took him on a plane, he was so sick with stress and anxiety.

1:29:45It made us realize that unless his life depended on it, there will be zero reason for him to ever fly again. And even though I know it's for his own health, leaving him while I'm traveling always makes me feel a little bit guilty or a lot of bit guilty. Thankfully, Hills helps me alleviate that guilt because I know I'm giving my pet nutrition that always measures up to their needs. You can feel confident that you're doing right by your pet and taking care of them with guilt-free meals they can't get enough of because you're only human. There's Hills. Science does Ready to give more love than humanly possible?

1:30:17Find your pet's new favorite food at hillspet.com slash rotten. That's hillspet.com slash rotten.

1:30:29The first theory is that the original boat friends, that they don't make sense. The family says that they went through the phone's location history and they think that some of the information is just not adding up with what people have been telling them happened that day. Also there doesn't appear to be any Snapchat activity For the 24 hours prior to Nolan going missing So all day of July 4th There's no Snapchat activity No saved Snapchat photos from 4th of July They think it's weird Because Nolan loves taking pictures That's what the family is saying So now he just decides that he's not going to take his phone with him But also that he's not going to do anything on his phone all day No saved photos, nothing Nolan's mom states on Good Morning America We went into his Snapchat He had two accounts, absolutely nothing It wasn't even 24 hours, which is how long videos and pictures stay in on Snapchat.

1:31:16And I was just like, that can't be. I've seen Nolan. Whenever he snaps, you know, when he goes and he's having fun, he does videos. There was absolutely nothing. No save videos. And even my sister was like, yeah, that's suspicious. Again, we don't know if anything was deleted or if this was a setting on Nolan's phone or if it was deleted purposefully. But if it was deleted purposefully, I mean, I would say that would mean that someone would have to answer to why they would do that. The family want to have their own experts examine the device first before handing it over to law enforcement, which is an understandable measure.

1:31:48The biggest concern, however, is the chain of custody issues and somehow causing the phone to be inadmissible evidence in court. Not that I'm saying that there's going to be a trial, but Benjamin Crump has come out to state. We also agreed that we would have a mutual inspection of the cell phone with our experts and the police's experts. So everybody will be able to see at the same time what the cell phone has. another part that's interesting is that the family say the location data just doesn't add up with some of the things that they've said, like people have said that day. I don't know. They haven't really gone in depth specifically about what's not making sense.

1:32:24However, I think it will be interesting for authorities to subpoena cell tower data or data from phone carriers, because I think if it could possibly show if his movement was tracking on the island, moving around on the island versus staying stationary on the boat those are different and just based off other cases that seems like a possible thing that they could do or another possibility is they could potentially track when phones were last unlocked used you know that was my question so if they are able to get to that that would be a huge break in the case i think whether it's truly or at least the right step in the direction of what this case truly is or what type of investigation this case is.

1:33:11One thing that gets a lot of people is really, would he just leave his phone? That doesn't make sense. Some locals and some of Nolan's friends have come forward to say that it's actually the norm to leave your phone on the boat when you go to Horn Island. I will note that the water is probably more waist deep, if not a little bit deeper from the videos that I could see of people anchoring the boats. So it's not a situation where you're going to be fully submerged. I imagine people are holding drinks in one hand. Maybe they're holding their phone. I don't know. but um others have said no you go to horn island you leave your phone on the boat it's just it's not that it's deep but the water the water is murky and they're saying like you're dropping your phone into seawater you're not getting your phone back it's not gonna be okay also who are you talking to all your friends are on horn island there's some reports that nolan and many others were drinking on the island so maybe nolan was so drunk that he didn't really even think about or care for his phone but then that's also questionable why his friends would leave him when he's that intoxicated, which is less about criminal liability, perhaps, and more so a point about morals.

1:34:08But again, that's just my opinion, which that doesn't mean that Nolan was indeed intoxicated. There are no toxicology reports that have come back. That doesn't mean he was visibly intoxicated, that a friend would notice, or that the friends did notice and didn't say anything. I'm just saying the theory, if true, opens up a whole new set of doors to a whole new set of problems. But even the original reasoning for his phone not being on his person doesn't make sense to Nolan's family and friends. They say, I don't know any 18-year-old. If you go with their story that he said he was going to stay behind, I'm going to leave my cell phone behind.

1:34:40It's just not adding up. One of his close friends starts telling CNN, I don't think Nolan would say, bro, I'm staying with this girl on the island. Y 'all go ahead and go back. I've never known Nolan to stay back. Watch his friends leave. He's always been the guy where if he rode with you, he's going to come back with you. And another thing that's odd about it is, if Katie did say that the last time she spoke to Nolan was when the guys were yelling at her to get on the boat, It's kind of weird because he stayed back to talk to this girl and then they don't talk again Yeah, yeah, that doesn't make sense Like if he stayed back to talk to this girl and then the girl is like Yeah, I didn't see him after he told his friends he was gonna stay back to talk to me And then we just stopped talking like is that what we are to believe?

1:35:18Is that what that's insinuating? I don't know because I don't have the full statement I don't even know if these are verified statements Now another theory from then is that maybe something could have happened on the island If someone was already getting into altercations, because that video, you know, the friend was like, oh, that's not Nolan, that's me. So he's saying a stranger was getting up in his face. Oh, so there are other conflicts. Yeah, maybe there was some sort of conflict with somebody else. It's not out of the realm of possibility that someone out there was looking to start picking a fight and decided to pick on Nolan for no reason.

1:35:53Whether it be race or anything else, it could be anything at that point, right? I do feel like with this theory, the one thing that's confusing me is witnesses have been coming forward. I don't know if they have. I can't imagine someone wanting to shield some random drunk belligerent guy picking a fight with Nolan if Nolan ends up missing and deceased. I feel like that would be a very quick lead that would occur very quick, very soon in the investigation. Or at least we'd see some activity there. Maybe someone would report my friend was questioned by the police about Nolan Wells' death. or like a friend of a friend I know was questioned.

1:36:28Then another thing is attorney Crump stated pretty early on that Katie had said that she saw Nolan get on a boat and leave. Now, I don't know where this statement is from. Attorney Crump later clarified that that statement was not made to him. So I don't know where this statement, if it's real, if she said that, I don't know, right? But then another thing is, how do we know which boat she's referring to if her statement is real? so everyone's pointing the finger at the original three boat friends that came to the island with him but what if he was on going on a what if he got on a boat back with other people and then of course there is the theory online that this was indeed just a tragic accident people say the currents are bad um one person from the united cajun navy that was involved in the search for nolan says the water goes from two to three feet to 20 feet real quick the national vp of the cajun Navy, the team that found Nolan's body states, there's no evidence to suggest that he was dumped on an island and left for dead.

1:37:30The working theory is that he drowned. His body washed right back to where he was last seen. That tells me he didn't go that far out. The wind, the drift patterns tell a story. I'm not a medical professional. I'm not a professional investigator. I'm a search and rescue guy. As of right now, the investigation is ongoing, but it's still very complicated. Again, there's so much mistrust. Jackson County Sheriff's Office issued a public request asking anyone who had been on horn island that day to provide any photographs videos witness accounts attorney crump says there's so many glaring contradictions and that's why so many people all across america are chiming in saying this is not adding up i mean you have them saying he was talking to a young lady and she said that he said i'm gonna go back on the boat with the boys well the boys say he said that no i'm gonna stay with her i mean which is it and then some people are saying there's just a lot of complicated things that are getting messier with all the voices that are getting involved with this case.

1:38:21For example, there was this whole ordeal with a pool photo that was posted. So July 5th, someone in Nolan's friend group posted a photo online of a bunch of people in a pool. And Nolan was one of those individuals in the pool. Now because it was posted July 5th, a lot of internet netizens have come up with this new theory that Nolan made it back to mainland. he actually came back and then something nefarious happened to him and then they took him back out to horn island and dumped his body what's the context behind that photo it's uh just just a post i think an old photo post no i think some okay so that photo is actually from june 27th and i think that individual was probably just posting a bunch of photos maybe they hadn't realized that someone in the photo had gone missing and that just the timing right rolling stone did a whole look into the metadata for it and that photo was indeed from June like earlier in June.

1:39:20Benjamin Crump had reposted that photo. Benjamin Crump was asked about that photo and he later clarified I didn't share the photo I just reposted it. We're reposting everything let's make it clear we're reposting everything because we're trying to get people to come in and call and so we've said from the beginning we're in a ferocious search for the truth and so things out there we're trying to post to ask people do you know something about this. Let us know. Just because we repose does not mean that we authenticate anything. So you have a lot of people saying, well, see, now you're just adding to conspiracy theories and it's actually perhaps a little even reckless for an attorney to do these things.

1:39:57But then you have other people saying, well, if the investigators did their jobs, the attorneys wouldn't have to do this. Like it must be nice to come from that place where the attorneys don't have to do that. But in this situation, it doesn't seem like the investigators are doing their jobs. So sorry, Benjamin Crump is not a certified investigator, but at least he's trying. At least he's trying to get answers. Could you say that about the investigators? So there's been a lot of divide, simply put. And with that divide, the coroner's office did a full autopsy and they have also, the family, Nolan Wells' family, with the support of former NFL player Colin Kaepernick, have sent Nolan Wells' body to an independent medical examiner in Washington, D.C.

1:40:40to do a second independent autopsy, which they have just revealed the reports for. So there were two autopsy done? Yes. So the state's autopsy is not public. They're still working on it. And things like this do take a long time. But I guess they were done enough with their part that they were able to send Nolan's body and have him transported to Washington, D.C. for the family's independent autopsy. Attorney Crump says we have to respect his parents saying that we want an independent investigation because we're not trusting people who are affiliated with Mississippi law enforcement. We have had too many lived experiences as black people in America.

1:41:20It's not adding up. It's simply not adding up. They have released the second autopsy's findings. They worked with Dr. Roger Mitchell who is president of the National Medical Association and there are a few notable things from the autopsy so the most notable thing is there is red discoloration in the deep soft tissues overlaying the occipital bones which it's right here in the back of the head it's like the back part of the skull the bone in the back right one expert says um the findings it that's the thing with autopsies again a lay person cannot interpret the findings really well it's really hard to read an autopsy and know what it means because the whole point of an autopsy is the least amount of conclusions are made it's just fact-based confirmation of what is found and then all of those combined maybe they can be a cause of death a manner of death but sometimes even that is hard so the cause of death so far is non-conclusive you know undetermined as well as the manner of death we don't know about the state case but for the independent autopsy But with this, one expert says it's hard.

1:42:30You know, the findings can be interpreted as there could be settling of blood from decomposition or from lividity. So the cooling of blood. They say that his body being transported to Washington, D.C., he would be laying on his back when he's transported. So the blood could be settling there during transport. And after death, you can still have pooling of the blood in the dependent areas if the lividity is not fixed. Or even if it is fixed, you can have pooling. so it's difficult to say without seeing the actual reddened area in the deep soft tissues of the back of the head without further photographs or more information.

1:43:02He clarifies, could it be blunt force trauma? Yes. Could it be from something, from transport? Yes. Hard to say at this point. So again, it's just, we don't know. That's the only thing? Yeah, that was the main thing. They also did not receive Nolan's neck structures. This actually caused a huge stir online because um i think it's definitely very um what does neck structure mean the like his hyoid bone the things inside of his neck um i think when you just hear that it is very jarring to think that like why would they not give his neck structures if there's something in the neck structures that could help them solve the case it's just weird right especially because strangulation any like manual pressure on the neck like that the neck structures are very important to figuring that out and that's a huge thing it can easily become sensationalized but dr mitchell says he's not sure why the initial pathologist kept the neck structures but it's not uncommon to keep those body parts for additional testing if there are concerns of fractures or neck compression so it is weird but i guess the only silver lining of it is perhaps the coroner's office in mississippi is trying to do a thorough due diligence and they're doing lots of different testing to see if something happened to the neck but because the independent autopsy could not test the neck structures dr mitchell says cannot rule out injury to the neck as a contributor or a cause of death.

1:44:38It's, you know, another expert says this is pretty common. That's often the problem with second autopsies is structures are kept by the initial medical examiner for further testing or further evaluation. So the second autopsy is often limited by this. So the problem is the next structures we're talking about, the hyoid bone, thyroid, cartilage, the structures that are often involved with strangulation. They can be taken by a medical examiner, dissected, evaluated for fractures or injuries or something of that nature, but then they're kept. And they, you know, they're also further evaluated by a forensic anthropologist who will look for micro fractures and things like that to see if there's any trauma whatsoever.

1:45:17People have a lot of mixed feelings about even this autopsy. There's a group of people online that have been very vocal that this is traumatizing Nolan Wells's parents. They were there when attorney Crump had a whole autopsy presentation where I guess he was breaking down the findings. Some people didn't like that an attorney was breaking down the findings. They had rather wished that it was Dr. Mitchell so that they could give very clear, concise information to the public because, I mean, at that point, once the second autopsy results were revealed, a lot of people were running with it, just kind of more so sensationalizing, oh, they're hiding his neck.

1:45:53Something happened in the neck. He has all this trauma to his head, the back of the head, right? And I do think that that should be further clarified and further investigated and see what really happened. However, I think to simplify it and say there was trauma to the back of the head is causing a lot more harm to the family because we just don't know how it happened. And then you have other people saying, well, they have to do this because attention is what keeps a case alive. It's what puts pressure on the investigators. And the investigators should know that everyone's got their finger on their necks, like their foot on their necks.

1:46:28and then you have just another group of people which I think I tend to agree with more is whatever the reason or the case may be why the family and the attorney felt compelled to do this I think that in itself is the depressing thing like we live in a world where they feel like I don't think anyone would want to do that I don't think any family member parents would want their child's autopsy blown up and presented to the public and dissected bit by bit but the fact that they're doing this before the investigators have done it is because they're just that desperate for answers. I think that's just the more depressing part.

1:47:07Nolan had his funeral. It was live streamed. There were lots of people in attendance. I believe Tyler Perry helped fund the funeral pay for the funeral expenses. A lot of people, loved ones spoke up. It's just, It's kind of sad that Nolan's entire life has almost come down to this very divisive political conversation when he just had such a bright life. He did a podcast with his friends a year ago, and it's just an episode where they're talking about their current experience in college football. And it's so evident that Nolan's life was dedicated to football. He talks about how his team had faced some losses recently.

1:47:48And it's just, he has a very tenacious spirit. He says, I really feel the further on during the season, it's going to really just make us better as a team overall because we've been through the adversity. We've been through the hardship. So really just stay in the course, keep going, see what makes us a better team. It really starts showing. If you want it, you've got to go get it. He's a receiver. He says his favorite part is, I really just like it's the one-on-one matchup, scoring touchdowns, me versus you. Yeah, that's what I really like about it. one of his friends writes a tribute on instagram in loving memory of nolan wells he says that he just keeps looking back on moments that made them um their whole friendship and he says the daily grind morning rides to school and post-practice trips home the traditions are weekly zaxby's runs and celebrating every victory side by side the joy you hanging out at the house filling the room with your corny jokes and unforgettable contagious laugh you were too pure for this world.

1:48:44Nolan's high school football coach said he was a joy to coach. His college football coach in an interview says, I can't speak enough about the type of teammate that he was. These players here, man, all the guys are heartbroken that were here last year. In his position meetings, the wide receivers, nobody will sit in his chair. Nolan says about football and when it gets difficult, he says, and I feel like it's just a learning curve for us, something we got to get through to get where we want to be really just show perseverance hard work and really who won at the end of the day he always wanted to play at mississippi state that's where his dad played but he is um he's at a different college he was at a different college and he said that he really likes the team he says it's like a brotherhood school community classroom everything like just really having love for your teammates but again it's just kind of it's unfortunately in this like very depressing quest for nolan's parents to get justice i can see how this case has bloomed into something so big hopefully at the end it will be for the greater good and for the positive good the fbi seems to be involved with assisting with forensic examinations of digital evidence investigators have collected during the investigation the sheriff states we have interviewed approximately 60 witnesses again our investigation is ongoing and active a side note from the future there have been a few updates that I want to go over briefly including the new 15 page MDMR report it doesn't really tell us much it's not a smoking gun in any sense of the phrase it's like if you asked your friend to borrow a book and they ripped out a random page in the book and gave it to you you're not exactly getting answers you're getting some context but not really any answers there has been new developments on the social media front of this case.

1:50:34In the 15-page MDMR report, a young man named Bart Edmiston Jr. was listed. He was piloting a separate boat when, according to the report, he helped the Triton, the boat with all the teens who made the sea tow call, right? That's the boat that Nolan went out on. Bart's assistance has been cited as the reason that the grandfather of the caller, the owner of the Triton, declined requests from help. Does that make sense? So the report is almost making it seem like the boy on the boat called the dispatch was like we need a tow we need a tow and then they put him on hold they also called the grandfather who owns the boat and then maybe this other boat with bart in it was sailing on by and was like here let me help you i'm right here right how do they know this just some bart said this is what happened okay no is that what happened that's what bart said happened right Wait, but that doesn't make sense because if Bart helped them fix the boat, did it happen in like two seconds in the middle of those two calls?

1:51:35Because both of them were calling the... So the people who are inclined to believe that this is the complete and utter factual series of events, they believe that when dispatch put the boys on put the guys on the boat on hold and was talking to the captain that they were already calling the grandpa who owns the boat who's calling grandpa someone on the boat is calling the owner of the boat sure of course otherwise how would the grandpa know you know people kind of they split into different groups i've seen people online saying like the grandpa was on the phone with the captain and then his grandson like literally we don't have any proof of any of this like of the timelines what exactly is this listed in this report about bart he helped tow the boat to the other side um enough so that the water could get out of the boat is this how did this happen before the grandpa told them not to come or after right it's saying that the reason the grandpa told them not to come is because bart was going to help tow the boat or was going to yeah so maybe he just showed up and it's not like oh i'm actively towing the boat but it was like hey i'm gonna help you tow the boat and then the grandpa was like we don't need you guys someone else's a friend again we don't know oh like we don't know anything really that's what i'm telling you it's like ripping a page out of a book and it's like i don't know and then even this by the way is a theory of people who believe that nolan's death was an accidental drowning and not something nefarious so they think the timeline adds up and they're filling in the blanks just like how people who don't believe it's an accidental drowning are filling in the blanks because we don't have a lot of the information that nolan's family needs right okay so like Like none of this, like I can't even tell you.

1:53:14Like if I just tell you exactly what all these verified reports and these things are saying, we get like nothing. It's a whole bunch of nothing. Like nothing that makes any sense. Not that stories aren't adding up, but I'm just saying nothing makes sense in terms of. A full timeline. Yes, a full picture of the series of events. Yes. The MDMR report says the timestamps of the Triton's data. I also feel like there are so much data now. There's phone, there's phone calls, there's search histories, there's GPS, there's all of these things. I feel like the event shouldn't be very hard to prove by just listing out every single piece of data, like corroborated through all the people that's there.

1:54:00Like here, it can literally be put out as a few pages. You can list out every single second what's happening. Right? then everybody will be accounted for. I don't get it either. That's what I think. I have seen lots of people voice that opinion and I have seen pushback on that opinion as well. People saying, well, if you've never been to Horn Island, you wouldn't know that nobody brings their phones. There's not really strong documentation because I guess the point that I get stuck on is like, okay, how has nobody come out with pictures or videos that are very clear with timestamps of where Nolan is?

1:54:35Like it doesn't make sense. There's even Bard. You just mentioned this Bard guy. And this Bart guy should have a lot of data too. And then these data on the boat, I feel like there's a lot of data. Yeah, I think so too. Now, Bart, people took his name and just kind of started running with it. I will say that. It was just like a new name that showed up and I think the internet got a little overzealous. The report, Bart's age is listed as 21, which then led a lot of netizens to accuse him of being the ones who bought all the teens alcohol. There is no evidence of this. It's only taken from the fact that he is of alcohol buying age.

1:55:16Other netizens have flat out accused Bart of killing Nolan because he was jealous that Nolan was speaking with Katie McCormick, the girl Katie on the island. Now netizens even cited a high school photo of Bart posing with Katie McCormick to prove that they had a past relationship. This picture was debunked. The high schoolers in the photo in question, it is Bart, yes, but the girl was just straight up not Katie McCormick. Yeah, not only was the picture false and the relationship rumor debunked, Bart has clarified that he has never once met Katie McCormick before Nolan's death, had zero interaction with her whatsoever.

1:55:52After these rumors gained traction, Bart was falsely named as a suspect in Nolan's case. He falsely named in the sense of the authorities have not named him a suspect. but people online have named him a suspect and some people have gone even as far to say the authorities have named him a suspect which as of right now I can't find any evidence of so it's just it would be considered I guess factually incorrect right because he and his family have hired a lawyer by the name of Russell Latino to protect their son from defamation and the associated threats as a result of the defamatory statements Latino has taken to his Facebook this is the attorney do debunk all the rumors being spread and by debunk again i think people are even upset with that type of verbiage it's just like people are saying well how are you debunking it when you don't provide proof so he uh the attorney has come out said when a nearby boat suffered a mechanical malfunction on the afternoon of the 4th Bart Jr.

1:56:51gave advice and direct aid to the distressed vessel. As part of this, he boarded the distressed vessel, removed its transom plug, got back onto his boat, and towed the distressed vessel for a short distance. These actions allowed water that had accumulated on the distressed vessel to drain, which a lot of boat people have backed up. I don't know anything about boats, so I don't know, right? Because I'm like, what do you mean? It was sinking and now it's not sinking, but apparently they're saying when it goes at such a speed, water does come out of the boat. I don't know, right? Bart Jr. believes that more than 20 passengers were spread across the two boats to witness these events.

1:57:22Others may have also witnessed from the water or shore. Okay. He also states that Bart assisted the Triton in the towing. And when he was approached by authorities after Nolan's death, he did everything they asked without pushback. That's what the attorney is claiming, saying he gave his phone, told them everything he remembered. You know, all of that. Okay. I will say Bart did kind of come out of nowhere in terms of the netizen discourse because I'm like, who is Bart? I didn't even know. Bart knows these people. I don't know if Bart knows these people. Like, I don't know if they're all friends.

1:57:53I don't know if Bart was one of the original friend of a friend. Like, he's just a guy on a boat so far. And I think the only really big piece that people have seen is that picture of him and a girl that is not Katie McCormick but was circulating to be Katie. I see. So they're saying that they gave his phone and all of these data to the authorities. Yes, but I don't know, you know, what that means. Right. Yeah. Okay. Let's say they didn't lie, right? Yeah. So that means there are a lot of data out there that we don't have right now. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of it we don't have. See, on one hand, it's like you want to push for transparency, especially when you're dealing with a case like this.

1:58:34And there is a lot of, you know, this is Mississippi. this is a young black child that I mean he's 18 but like that's basically a child sorry for anyone who's 18 but you want transparency but at the same time in Mississippi any death that is not considered natural or is not considered the result of a non-criminal car accident must go before a grand jury so if it's not you know of old age or a natural cause like a heart attack and you know someone's had heart problems for their life, or it's like someone ran into a pole by themselves in the car. Anything aside from that has to go before a grand jury.

1:59:14And in most districts, I don't know if it applies for this one and how it applies case by case, but most districts, a lot of the DA and police will not come out and say stuff before the grand jury has convened. And there is going to be one? Yes, there is going to be one for this. We don't know. We don't know. We know that the autopsy on the state side just concluded. Actually, as of filming this, like right now, like a few hours ago, it was reported that it was concluded. We're probably not going to get the results of that anytime soon until the grand jury has convened and has decided on if there will be charges and against who, really.

1:59:51Yeah, yeah, yeah. If and any, right? Wow. Okay. But Russell Latino, the attorney, has posted on Facebook that, yeah, he said that someone actually called him asking him to sue them for defamation. You know, he says, I had someone today call me and ask me to sue them for defaming Bart Edmondson Jr. I love when little dogs think they're big dogs. Someone called them to say, hey, sue me. Yeah. Which, you know what? But I also like hate attorneys. And I think defamation lawsuits, seize and desist are the bane of my existence. Okay. And I also get like, I lose my marbles sometimes. And I'm like, okay.

2:00:32But I will say like, if you guys are out there, just maybe don't call and ask them to see. Like it is a miserable process if you've ever been through it. And do I think that that miserable process is anything compared to what Nolan's parents are going through or the loss of a child or a loss of a friend. No, but I'm just saying like, if you're a random small creator online, maybe don't call the attorneys and say, sue me. But he's like, yeah, we served a seasoned assist, demand for correction and evidence, preservation notices on social media, influencer, komedo, rapper, and OnlyFans model, Kimbra Lee today in anticipation of filing a defamation lawsuit against her.

2:01:10I anticipate at least two more such notices going out by the end of the week. I just bought a new case of toner for my printer. is what the attorney said. So it seems like, and that was like another speculation online. It seems like there's going to be a lot of lawsuits, civil lawsuits, even when and if the criminal case is concluded, if that makes sense. Yeah. Because it seems like everybody wants everyone to sue everyone. Some people want, you know, Nolan's family to sue everyone for wrongful death. Other people want everyone else to sue everybody else for spreading online rumors or whatever have you.

2:01:50There's just a lot of netizens chiming in on who should sue who. So there's just lots of lawsuits being thrown around or at least talks of lawsuits being thrown around. Basically in TLDR terms, if you have been keeping up with this case, if you see some kid named Bart being accused as a suspect with an old high school photo of his relationship with Katie as proof, don't repost it. Just because as of right now, it's been completely debunked. The girl is not Katie. It seems that Bart probably doesn't know Katie and all Bart has been confirmed to have done so far is help tow the Triton. Yeah. And it seems that his family is pursuing legal action against anyone saying otherwise.

2:02:32Now, as for fully verifiable case updates on the proven and confirmed legal side of things, Jackson County District attorney has publicly confirmed that one nolan's mississippi emmy's official autopsy report will not be released until grand jury review and two investigators and prosecutors are directed by state rules not to make comments or release information that could affect the integrity of the grand jury review interesting but we don't have a date when that will take place no so the grand jury review is when juries these are going to be residents who are registered voters that are picked right they hear evidence by prosecutors to see if anyone should be indicted on criminal charges and according to the da this happens in every county in every sort of death case except for deaths by natural causes and non-criminal car wrecks now we don't have any sort of date we have no idea when they will convene even if they do convene anytime soon we probably i mean those proceedings are not public it's not like you can show up to court yeah the grand jury is basically bound by NDA for six months.

2:03:35They can't even speak publicly about it for six months after the final adjournment. So that's not to say that we're not going to know for six months. That's just to say that they can't even talk about it for six months. But Nolan's death investigation, which authorities have yet to report as concluded, is pending grand jury review. One thing that authorities have been quick to share, though, is Public Safety Commissioner Sean Tyndall has reminded the public that intimidating witnesses and public officials is a felony, which I think a lot of people also took issue with. It's like, oh, so that's like the one statement you're going to really make during all of this.

2:04:10Okay, great. Out of all the statements you could have made, that's the one. But for Nolan Wells and his family, the answers that they desperately want still remain unknown. They continue to await the results of the Mississippi Emmys autopsy. They will find out before the public. So I think they're trying to set up a meeting with the family in due time, like probably within the day or two, you'll probably get more updates if the family does speak out on it. But they have subpoenaed for the preservation of Nolan's data on his social media accounts, including Snapchat, Life360, I believe some of the other big social media platforms.

2:04:45And I think it's so interesting that there are people who are pushing back against the family saying they're doing too much. And I just think that's a little odd of how is that doing too much. I just think it's weird. And that is where it's weird. They did have a press release on July 30th, where Ben Crump, attorney Ben Crump has mentioned he has reviewed the full audio from the CTO. We'll be having it analyzed by engineers, though nothing else has really been announced about the audio beyond that. And that is really where we are as of right now. Of course, there will be many updates to come and we're going to add a pinned comment.

2:05:22And if there are any significant updates we may have to do an additional episode but that is it for right now. I also one thing I do think is something to leave off on is a lot of people have been citing that there is confirmation bias at play like oh well because you want or you think something happened you're going to hear something in the audio you're going to see everything in this way And I think if you just leave this case and think about why that confirmation bias exists and why people have this pattern that they have recognized from the criminal justice system by living as a black individual in America, I think that is perhaps a broader conversation that could be had after we get justice for Nolan Wells and his family, or at least answers for Nolan Wells and his family.

2:06:11because it just, there's a reason that the confirmation bias exists. There's a reason people feel so uneasy. There's a reason people feel so distrustful of authorities. And I think that is the pain point that a lot of people are just ignoring. They're just saying like, oh, you have confirmation bias. But it's like, okay, well, what created that? So that is where I leave you with this case. Let me know your thoughts on this one. Please stay safe and I will see you in the next one. Bye. on november 13th 2022 four university of idaho students madison kaylee ethan and zanna had their futures stolen from them and for months a killer walked free idaho murders college nightmare is a three-part documentary that follows one of the most chilling murder cases in recent memory with unprecedented access to the victims families and police footage the series peels back the layers of a case that forever changed Moscow, Idaho, and asked the question that haunts everyone left behind.

2:07:09How do you make sense of something so senseless? Watch Idaho Murders College Nightmare, now playing only on Netflix. Sleep is so critical, especially that deep comforting sleep. But oftentimes, it's hard to find the right mattress for that deep sleep without trying it in person. That's why Helix and Steinhoffels have come together, combining their years of mattress knowledge and technology to bring you your best night's sleep. Helix Sleep's award-winning mattresses are now available to try and purchase at 13 Steinhoffel's locations, an in-store opportunity you won't find just anywhere. Plus, Helix and Steinhoffel's are offering 20 % off all mattress orders for our listeners.

2:07:51Please visit helixsleep.com to find your nearest location. Remember to ask a team member about their selection of award-winning Helix Sleep mattresses. Eligible items are in stock and available for free local delivery. That's helixsleep.com to find the store nearest you and ask about Helix Sleep. With Helix and Steinhoffel's, better sleep starts now.