Real Madrid win the Clásico, plus some big Premier League results

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2:22hello and welcome back to the study podcast i'm miso kwanga i'm ryan hun Ryan, how are you doing?

2:27Ryan Hunn: Doing alright, thanks man, how are you? Very, very well, indeed I'm good, I'm good, I'm good What a weekend for underdogs organising Absolutely And getting a resort Anyway, we hope everyone's staying safe and well wherever you are Today we're going to focus on the Closco, first Closco of the season In part two we're probably going to shout out some stuff in the Premier League Most notably, Bournemouth We'll shout out Villa and we'll shout out Spurs And that will probably do us for today we're going to leave the big Manchester United chat because it might have already happened by the time you're hearing this but it feels like something is imminent.

3:02Yes.

3:03Ryan Hunn: And although on the Manchester United stuff shout out to Manchester United women getting a point in the derby. Great point that because City could have pulled away with it. Bunny Shaw going from hero to villain unfortunately putting the equaliser on a plate for United but a great point for them and quite an interesting little tussle at the top of that table now. London City Lionesses off the shoulder. Arsenal winning the North London derby as well in the WSL this weekend. Actually, the thing about Manchester United in the WSL is that's the stopped Manchester City's 100 % winning run for the season.

3:41Ryan Hunn: Anyway, we'll probably save the Manchester United men's stuff until Thursday. I imagine there'll probably be a conversation to be had, so we'll talk about that then. And we'll probably talk about some Ballon d 'Or stuff then as well because it's tonight. Quick bit of admin as well. Don't forget tickets for our London Southbank Centre live show in January are on sale now. Link is in the podcast notes if you want to go and get those. If you're listening to this on the free feed, you're missing out on way more Stadio episodes and every single episode ad-free in full, plus loads more stuff. You're going to go and sign up, patreon.com forward slash Stadio.

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5:49Ryan Hunn: all right man there's only one place to begin there is there is only one place to begin can you tell me where the only place to begin Musa Wonga is I cannot you cannot I've suffered so long

6:05Ryan Hunn: put me out my misery please can I interest you in a 96th minute goal and then a 98th minute equaliser. Whoa, wait, wait, I know this. Oh no, I know what this is. I know what this is. Oh no, I actually know this one. We know somebody who plays for them. Suizo Saka. Yes. Against who? Jeff United, Chiba. Oh my God, amazing. 2-0 down and then two goals in the 96th or 98th to equalise and get a point. To be honest though, they, yeah, they deserved more than a point I think. But anyway, shout out to our boys eating good doing good and eating even better by the sounds of it not that I'm jealous but still we move I thought you were going to go for Atalanta no no no although arguably Napoli-Roma was the game of the weekend it was in terms of pure football and the goal by Anguissa check it out if you haven't seen it straight banger but the Clasico the Clasico we have to go to the Clasico Barcelona 1 Real Madrid 2 in Camp Nou it was quite a weird Clasico I thought this I want to talk about this because it begins with the loose pass by Pedri to Ardegoula.

7:16Ryan Hunn: Yes. Because that, that, I was like, you're not in your passing rhythm. And I can't explain it. Same thing happened on, I guess PSG on Tuesday. There was something where if they don't get, you know, like there's a thing, if you watch Zidane, right? Early Zinedine Zidane, if you had like three good touches of the ball in the first like five minutes, you were dead. You were gone. Now Pedri is slightly different. Pedri is someone who, if you look at the game, I think when they, when Rash was got a couple, James's part last year, Pedri didn't have the ball for the first 12 minutes and then got into it and was just like on top of it but this game it was like maybe the defeat by by PSG hit them harder than we thought I don't know if they were tentative but there was something about their positioning their passing if you look at Rodri's pass completion and Pedri's actually it wasn't that good throughout the game and Pedri got it back together but they never really controlled the game Barcelona Ardegulair breaks through and it's not just that he advances with the ball right he gets all the way and gets a shot off.

8:12And at that point, and I know it's only a small detail, but there felt like there was a nerves around, there was a certain nerviness around Barcelona. Once they felt they couldn't impose their overwhelming attacking style, and I know we're skipping ahead slightly, but maybe a damning indictment is this, the two goals that Real Madrid scored were basically Barcelona goals. They were goals of which Barcelona would be proud. It reminded me actually, weird and I hate to be too nostalgic but this did remind me of the different stakes of course of the 2012 victory um when we got over bars when they're on the way to win the league title when Ronaldo scores yeah it reminded me of that because ball dominant Barcelona or when have they not been and Madrid were just supremely efficient with the ball there was this unbelievable stat I I think I found about, Mark Stats posted it, about Madrid's pass completion, like in transition.

9:11And it was just off the scale brilliant because they didn't have that much to the ball. I mean, Bernardo Silva played 80 minutes, completed 20 odd passes, but that wasn't the point. The point was that they just never messed up. So for example, Mark Stats posted this, Barcelona's opponents complete 75 % of their passes and build up. Today, Realder's accuracy in a neutral game state at nil, nil and one all was 87.6%. Looking at all of Barcelona's matches under Hansi Flick, only two opponents have managed to surpass that figure, Celta Vigo and PSG. Like, that is... Just to Celta. Yeah, props to Celta.

9:48But when Real got the ball, I suppose, long story, short point, when they got the ball, they knew exactly what they were doing with it.

9:56Ryan Hunn: Yeah, I mean, this is my biggest takeaway from this game was that it just felt like a continuation of the week that Real Madrid have had. They put their best performance in the season last week against Sevilla. They were brilliant in midweek in the Champions League and continued on that good performance from Sevilla. And this was a supremely efficient and a perfectly executed game plan from Real Madrid that it felt like the worst case scenario from this was a point. And that's not to say that Barcelona didn't miss their chances. I think that the chances are, the chances and the goals are such small margins, right, that I'm wary of getting into super, super, super conclusive big picture stuff about it.

10:40Ryan Hunn: What this means, yeah. I don't think it's, that's not the biggest, that's not the important thing about this game. I think the important thing about the game was that if Real Madrid lose this game, their title challenge is done. Well, Atleti would be five points behind. So it's way too early to call it, but nine points on Barcelona in October, right? And that's catastrophic. Yeah, that's catastrophic for Mourinho, the project, for want of a better term, and his authority over that dressing room going forward because we saw it last season, right? As soon as one or two results went the wrong way for Jabby Alonso, that was kind of it.

11:15Ryan Hunn: It was done. Real Madrid were more impressive than I thought they would be in the Clásico a few weeks ago. If someone had said Real Madrid are going to go to Camp Nou, win 2-1, they're going to be super efficient, they're going to be very disciplined, they're actually going to be super sensible. I'm not entirely sure that I would have seen that a few weeks ago some things worked in his in Mourinho's favour and other things so there's three things he did and I think we have to start with praise because he won this game right so let's start with the praise leaving at the start of the season if someone has said to you that Remington's best 11 doesn't involve Trent or Dumfries like a guy at right back like Valverde at right back you might have said no I'm not sure about that Dumfries is definitely someone I'd pick or start Valverde will be in the mix in midfield or further forward.

12:03Valverde at right back I think is the right configuration for this, right? The leadership he offers back there and the combination play. This is their best 11, I think. And Trent and Dumfries are on the bench. Then you've got arguably Camavinga midfield, but Chumania thought was really good the other day. He's not someone that progresses the ball as well as maybe a Rodri, but he didn't have to be that person. Bernardo Silva in midfield. I know we've been howling about this for weeks, but that felt like the most obvious fit. I don't know what was, I felt like it was conditioning but then again, I wasn't completely sure because Mourinho was quite savage about it.

12:38It wasn't like, it was like, oh, he's playing his way into form, he's getting into shape, you know, obviously we want him to do different things. Mourinho was basically like, took his head off and goes, the guy did nothing over the summer, which I thought was a bit, it felt a bit pointed, right? Yeah, exactly. Mourinho's just, do you know what I mean?

12:55Ryan Hunn: If you actually just wrote down like a list of things that Jose Mourinho had said publicly. It would be like, what? I felt there was no need for that. The stroke of luck that he had was the suspension of Vinicius. Yeah. Because it solved the selection problem. They just looked very balanced. There's too many chefs scenarios sometimes with Real Madrid. And I think what the Vinicius suspension did was create almost very clear senior roles in certain parts of the pitch, right? So you have Mbappe up front, you have Bellingham in midfield, and Bernardo actually because Bellingham was kind of drifting more into it he played quite a lot I mean Bellingham plays everywhere right but there was quite a number of times especially on the counter-attack in the second half where Bellingham would drift wide there was one chance actually that he got a bit of stick for where he broke forward for the two on one but I genuinely think I went back and re-watched it afterwards because I was like it was the angle on the defending from Martín is absolutely supreme the pass isn't on is it the pass isn't on Because he's on a diagonal.

13:58The way he's running, his line of sight, if maybe if he's...

14:04Ryan Hunn: He has to hit it super early or elevated. But as soon as Martin gets himself into position, all he has to do was just stop that pass and wait for other people to get back. And you can see Bellingham waiting for him to commit and he never commits. It's unbelievable what he does. The decision making is unreal. It's just great because the temptation will be for people to criticise, right? but actually sometimes when it shows you the reason that players professional players make the right or make a pass in that scenario nine times out of ten is because the defenders give them the opportunity to do it right unless he hits it super early into space which is doable but I don't think when you've got a two on one actually rarely do people do that because you you know that you're going to create a better opportunity closer to goal it's just it's just amazing defending it's amazing it's absolutely incredible it's absolutely incredible no you're right you're right and I thought it was Bellingham actually while we're mentioning him was spectacular I think I posted some stats about his defensive contributions in the game off the scale he didn't again it was a bit like you know his Mexico performance I don't mean like he didn't have the goals but in terms of the efficiency which he used the ball like he affected the game decisively right I mean these are the football stats successful dribbles three out of three accurate long balls two out of two he won 13 out of 15 ground duels five tackles two clearances one interception six ball recoveries and was fouled five times it was absolutely he's absolutely immense he is spectacular and then of course had the crucial contribution for the brilliant winner Real Madrid's winner this goal is so good it was in Kamavinga incredible incredible Kamavinga look 2022 Kamavinga glass of red wine for that man like the game breaking movement of Kamavinga on their champ of zigrun was out of this world what Kamavinga did that is his ceiling that's who he is there's almost no one that gets the better of Khabarci in that situation right where you're making him twist or stick like you can see him there's a moment where he's like do I commit to this fully if I do that's a red and Kamavinga gets just in a head edges it past him and then the square pass for Mbappe to finish up.

16:25And, you know, all the criticism of Mbappe, I'm just glad that he will be off him for a couple of days because he takes a lot of stick. People call his goals empty calories. There's something about Real Madrid strikers that score goals in volume but don't win things. And it's like, well, he hasn't won anything. And it comes to the job. Like the guys who paid a hell of a lot of money, right? So they're like, deliver at some point. But this at least he could put on the CV and be like...

16:49Ryan Hunn: Yeah, I mean, the first one's a bit unfortunate, but the second one's great and he had a couple of other chances yeah he did there was one the first one the first one the movement's amazing actually because he sneaks on the blind side actually he goes gambles yeah he gambles and it's like it's brilliant so yeah you're right it's not the most elegant goal but the movement for it is so good let's talk a little bit more about Real Madrid before we move on to Barcelona because yes yes Lunin coming in for Courtois yeah deserves a lot of credit and you know he has previous for doing this where people are like oh Lunin's coming in and then he just just the save from Martin's header.

17:24Let's talk about it being quite close to him. And I see that, but it was powerful. I thought it was the reflexes, the reflexes to get down to it. I thought it was either in or behind the line. Right. I mean, it was a really, it's a superb stop. Yeah. Some of the footwork was really good. Um, you know, playing out, look comfortable in possession against, you know, quite an aggressive, you know, the one of the most aggressive presses in the world. Um, arguably the most, I just thought to come in to game like that, at short notice and contribute how he did was fantastic. Especially when the centre-backs in front of him weren't always the most decisive.

17:59Hauston made one particular intervention or lack of intervention where he let the ball kind of like go under him from a high ball. I thought, wow, this is like, this is what happens if you don't have a good coordination between a centre-back and a keeper. And you could see on a couple of occasions, not many, the lack of chemistry just because they hadn't had the reps. Right, that was it. That's the only thing. but that wasn't Luna's fault I thought he was brilliant and Arda Goulet just tucking into those pockets and really operating well a player that I love and who I think should always start for Madrid if he's fit yeah I just thought it was all looked like a team

18:37Ryan Hunn: I was just really really impressed in how well first of all I think the last week for Jose Mourinho's standard it's felt like he's been pretty quiet or at least maybe understanding that taking the heat out of certain things isn't the worst thing in the world. Yes. I think especially what happened after the Madrid derby when he comes out with the printout and it's all that kind of stuff. Just actually, I might be wrong, but it's felt a little quieter than maybe it could have been. Even his post-match energy. Yeah. I wonder if the beard's got something to do with it. I wonder. The beard is a move.

19:15Do you know how there are substances that absorb toxins? Maybe he's got like a beard that's absorbing like some of the toxicity. I mean, and it's weird because it feels like a kind of, he's been really spiky when all the conspiracy theory stuff felt like, Oh God, here we go again. But it's this weird mix of like spikiness and like maturity, which I don't like. Like some of the behavior was kind of, I mean, some was like vintage, but some was kind of like Ancelotti vibes. Some was like, the knee slide wasn't, the knee slide was, was, was okay. okay, classic in quotes, hashtag classic Mourinho. But there was an element of like, this is quite measured.

19:53And I must say as well, I will say this now to be clear. I do not understand professional footballers. And a lot of the time I don't get professional football. And this is why I'm not a professional coach in any capacity. Because as naive as I am, I really felt the blow up between Tumani and Valverde would have been of greater like toxicity and damage right i really thought that would have been like the kind of the end for one of them i and i will say this fully and fully like confession or whatever i thought the marino vinicius thing would be destabilizing for the squad as a whole it might just be bad for vinicius and nobody else right but i think diamante being there unfortunately for Vinicius Diamande's ceiling in future is higher than Vinicius's in my opinion I think where Diamande can go and what he's already doing is like the last couple of weeks in particular it's just extraordinary it's been a big couple of weeks for him it has and I just think do you know how there's like very few people that can do certain jobs there's very few people that can be an air traffic controller or be like you know a neuroscientist or an astronaut I think managing Madrid there's just a very short list of names of people that can just do that.

21:09Ryan Hunn: Yeah, I think you're right. You know? Yeah, and that's why I think that, you know, things like the Valverde-Cumene thing or how the chemistry with Vinicius and Mourinho would be, it's probably different at Real Madrid than it is at other clubs because it's just not a normal environment. It's not normal at all. You know how we often say like, oh God, how can you, you know, we're talking about like billionaires and stuff like that, right? and you're like, oh my God, that just seems so removed from reality. You're like, well, Real Madrid's kind of like that as well actually because it is just, even for a football club, even for a top level football club.

21:44Gareth Bale scored two goals in the Champions League final to win it, including one of the greatest goals that will ever be scored in a major final and then comes off and gives a post-match interview where he's like, yeah, I should play more. I'd probably like to leave. You know, I'd like to sort of explore my options. That doesn't, spends the post-match interview like just talking about, yeah, it's not really that happy. Like it didn't even, it's like the bit at the end that didn't even matter it's like the scene at the end of um men in black no spoilers because i've seen it by now where elephants are playing a game of marbles with galaxies it's just whoa whoa why what's that what's in it i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm kidding but do you mean it's like the things that seem so grand to us are trivial to them like if i had that kind of altercation when I was in my office job with somebody I'd be ashamed to like I'd be out of there yeah yeah and they're just like yucking up like it's nothing and I think in a in a weird kind of way Marino liked that Real Madrid man it's different do you know what I bet do you know what I bet Perez did to them Chirmini and Valverde right when he had the chat quietly walked them into the trophy room and he pointed at the Champions League trophies he's like do you want to win two more of those

22:58Ryan Hunn: yeah do you remember how hype it was do you want to win two more yeah well, that's just, let's sort it out then. I really think it was that simple. It was like, eyes on the prize. And then we told him some made up story about how Zidane and Raul had this mega fallout. Yeah. Yeah. You know, had a bar fight or something. It's like, we showed him a DVD of like famous, famous dressing room fights. He goes, yeah, look, that guy for that guy. And he's like, what really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right of passage. Funny club, man. Funny club. but they were very very impressive this week has been a very very good week for Real Madrid and not just in terms of the results but just in terms of the performances as well and I think that you know the thing we were talking about with Vinicius and Mourinho I think if Vinicius' form had been like it's a tricky season for Vinicius because you know you had that big summer transfer stuff look like it might be on the Arsenal move which is wild to think about now ends up with Real Madrid giving him a new contract and his form hasn't quite been there He needed that move more than Arsenal did I do think he needs to be or feel like he is the love the guy like he is the guy right and I think that what's happening at Real Madrid at the moment is difficult because you can see the reliance on him moving away and That's hard man and also Yandere Mande coming in and scoring two really really good goals in a week and being so dynamic against Barcelona.

24:29Ryan Hunn: Yeah, putting in a really good performance in the Clásico. It's tricky, but they're going to need all of those players if they have real ambitions of either closing the gap on Barcelona at the top and putting in a title run or going deep in the Champions League. They're going to need everyone on the same page. And I do wonder if there's been talks about that internally because it's felt quite fractured. Last season was very, very fractured.

24:56Ryan Hunn: And I mean, the one thing I would just say from a tactical thing about this game as well is it felt the most balanced that I've seen Real Madrid this season. Oh, by far. And I want to throw this in. This is quite a random reference, but I've started so I'll finish. Do you remember that player Gianluigi Lentini? World record signing, right? Yeah, yeah. Got in that terrible accident and it was just bad luck and that otherwise his career could have taken off. Diamandi reminds me of that as a signing. Because when Lentini was signed, huge amount of money in a club that was not like necessarily the highest ranking but it was a bit of a wild card signing it's like this guy is going to take us onto new level that signing this is like the lentini signing and then we get a chance to see how it would play out because a game-breaking talent who can just occupy a fullback and creates a horrible problem like with overloads but at one point he extracted himself from three players like it was nothing like i don't know what his advanced metrics were but i'm pretty sure that there's one of those like charts where he's just you know there's like those charts for like successful carries and like final third runs and i'm sure there's like one metric where he's just out by himself in another field and i suppose the problem for vinicius is look he might be the second or third best left winger in the world but the guy ahead of him now the choir scale is injured is maybe in terms of like game-breaking form arguably like could be that guy right and it's bad luck it's just bad luck for Vinicius because the central role in Mbappe's nailed that down the right flank you've got that sorted it's not his position anyway but you've got that sorted with the Valverde-Goulet crossover which I think is really really strong because it just it has everything you'd want you got Bernardo tucking in so all of a sudden wild how Valverde's fine we're playing right back now.

26:44Don't get me started. But this is the thing though. What's that thing in that famous scene from The Sopranos where the guy goes, you couldn't sell it. You have to be able to sell it and Mourinho can sell it in a way that Alonso couldn't ultimately. As great as Alonso is as a coach, ultimately, and this is the weird thing about Real Madrid and hierarchy, in that hierarchy, Valverde's like, yeah, but I, I've kind of got what you've got trophy wise I'm kind of a legend in my own way I'm a newer legend so I've got the newer if it came to a kind of ego off does that make sense? Mourinho can go in and be like I'm restoring the feeling I wonder what Mourinho did in those early sessions to assert dominance actually

27:33Ryan Hunn: Well we saw it on the I told you when we did the live show with Nish and I'd spent you know bit of time looking at the Real Madrid YouTube channel and it was all like double sessions in capitals training blah blah blah and it was yeah yeah hard working session it was shock doctrine shock doctrine yeah I think Mourinho just knew that he was going to come in with a reputation hammed it up a little bit played the grunt for a bit and then you know I think when you come in with that energy and then you ease off yeah you're right it's very Machiavelli the prince early shock you shock people early in your regime and then like after a while you can ease off speaking of shock do you want to hear the wildest stat about this game go for it six yellow cards Mark Cucuray didn't get one of them how wild is that how wild it's like

28:31it's very good actually let's talk about

28:32Ryan Hunn: Barcelona quickly let's do it they looked quite tired they've looked a bit tired in the last couple of games and I feel like they've had this isn't an excuse by any means but a lot of injury issues and losing people left, right and centre and also I think you've seen probably the knock-on effect of some of those injury issues in terms of freshness and fatigue. Pedri's looked a little tired this week. Gordon a little as well. I think he struggled though. I think he struggled. In the game? Yeah, a little bit. I thought he was alright actually. It was a mixed bag. some of the passing was spectacular.

29:08You know, maybe this opposition was really good. I think it's simply that. I think, you know, I've got so used to watching Barcelona blow teams away that actually you just don't impose yourself on a team like Madrid in the same way. Yeah. And I don't think, to his credit, he didn't overcook it.

29:25Ryan Hunn: You know how like Jackson was talking about being a celebration police? Yes. The thing that gets me is when players hype the crowd a little bit too early. Okay. and there was a bit too much of that going on in the Barca game and I feel like sometimes it happens from players who know that they maybe aren't having the best game I think Lamin Imal struggled a little bit early on he really did yeah it's because he knew he wasn't locked in he wasn't locked in that miss yeah that miss it was weird it was really weird it was really weird because it was almost like he was making two decisions do I go far post or near post and he shanked it and sometimes like it happens it happens he never fully caught fire and this happened um a classico ago where sometimes he comes in a bit hot but when they have that four nil and he absolutely toasted them and i think there's a part of him that likes that i can set himself in a classico instead let it come to him and i think when he forces games it doesn't work for him that's the one thing i'll say the one thing that's different to the big difference between um leo messi and lamin yamal and this it's like let the game come to you that's the one difference it's the one thing that takes you to another level the one time I saw Messi forcing games actually was when he was at PSG when he just wasn't happy that's the one time I saw him like out of sorts but generally speaking his decision making was like I'm going to let the game flow but I think Lamin Amal he gets so caught up in the individual confrontations and he gets targeted a lot as well understandably of course of course which is the privilege and the pressure of the elite player I just feel that that loss that miss it did affect him like he had a good chance later on which he struck the ball slightly wide Lunan dived across oh that was a really good chance yeah he created it beautifully don't get me wrong but I feel whereas Pedri found his footing yeah we kept waiting with Luminium R for the beat to drop this is going to say right because Pedri got a bit of criticism about his performance in this game and it was not his it was probably one of his worst performances of the season you could say just saying something considering his assist 90 % pass completion four chances created and an assist and the assist is so good because it's so patient but the thing was I thought he was doing quite a lot of this in the first half and then he had maybe like a 20 minute dip which was a bit weird it was like Pirlo the assist was like Pirlo to Grosso in 2006 against Germany you're right he had that dip but the assist was spectacular and here's the funny thing actually and this is maybe a slight indictment of Barcelona the inability and Rodri in particular I think the inability thereafter to establish some kind of game control I thought was quite interesting they just couldn't get hold of it and it was really funny to watch Rodri and Bernardo Silva like tussle a bit and have genuine like I don't like you there was a bit there was wasn't there yeah but it was like yeah there was a bit of that there wasn't there Bernardo Bernardo literally ran off and I don't want to make this all about Stadio but he did kind of give this like you knew what this was like how are you going to act so surprised I've been doing this next to you I mean those two ran in midfield for a good length of time and Rodney must be like I don't actually like you at all there was an element of that so yeah fantastic and also like this is the other thing they were meant to be together on the same pitch this is the other big sort of underlying aspect maybe that's why it could have been us man it could have been it could have been Rodri and Bernardo Silva although funnily enough they both ended up where they were supposed to be I think I think the Chumaini Silva balance works better actually there's a mobility issue with Rodri Silva exactly I think yeah Chumaini and or Camavinga in there Bernardo Silva I think is great because when you have this is the thing that I think I will say this all the time but having someone like Jude Bellingham you basically have two players in one there.

33:31Ryan Hunn: You can actually build different configurations around him because he will cover so much of the things that loads of other players may not give you in that. And that's why he's just such a special footballer. He's absolutely immense and he's the thing that makes it work. He's a fucking unicorn, man. Having him as the 10. You can put him down on paper as a 10, but he will also cover Jan Diamande in a left wing sense. He will drop into midfield, He will help out in terms of numbers and physicality. He will be able to, for example, the thing for the goal. Unbelievable. A number five doing that in the middle of the park in a Real Madrid shirt.

34:10Ryan Hunn: You're like, oh, who's that remind you of? Do you know what people said about Jude Bellingham? They said he couldn't break games open. He was just a hard runner, a ball carrier. And I was just like, these people. Yeah. I wonder what lens people are watching those eyes from. Because I can tell you this, right? But looking at Jude Bellingham and the skill set, I'm going to draw a big comparison here, but screw it, I've started, so I'll finish. Alfredo DiStefano, right? The skill set that that guy - You played with him, right? Yes, I played with him. Watched him in colour, watched him in black and white.

34:48Alfredo DiStefano's skill set, the guy could play anywhere. and I know that's a bit of a long old take, but it's important to reference the old greats because Bellingham is emerging as a modern great and the range of what he can do, I mean, we compared him to Ruud Hullet, but I think the Di Stefano conversation, I'm also putting that there because if Bellingham stays at Real Madrid for the next 10 years, he will enter his legend. He will enter his legend. Like 100%, yeah. Can you imagine if other English footballers had put in the performance he put in yesterday to win the biggest fiction, it's still the biggest fiction in the world, the classical, right?

35:25It is the marquee, it is in terms of just the eyeballs. Man United Bournemouth's the biggest fiction in the world now.

35:31Ryan Hunn: Listen, shout out to Evan Nilsson. Evan Nilsson. We'll get there, we'll get there, don't worry. Goodness me. But yeah, really just incredible what he's doing over there. Credit to him for just adapting all the different roles. It's like those actors that can just take the tiny roles in the huge movies and don't mind like minor screen time to chip in but also can just do the leadership if needed yeah that's yeah and again to be able to like assert and then also contract your ego when necessary it's extremely rare at this level it's extremely rare yeah right have we exhausted everything on the Classico I think we have I think we have yeah while we're here very very quickly elsewhere in La Liga Athletic Club beating Getafe 4-0 big win for them earlier on in the day Celta Vigo Betis 0-0 Real Sociedad beating Levante 2-1 so wins for Athletic Club and Real Sociedad ahead in next week's derby at San Mames and Atleti beating Deportivo Acarunia 1-0 on the weekend Julian Alvarez goal and he came out and apologised afterwards about the summer I think it was afterwards it was afterwards or before but yeah an apology from Julian about wanting to go to Barca.

36:48Good time to apologize actually after the match winner.

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38:01Ryan Hunn: All right, then, man. So before we move on to the Premier League, we're not going to talk about the Bundesliga too much, but there was a big win for Bayern away at Freiburg, a 3-1 win for them send in best wishes to Vincent Kompany collapsed in training last week and he's currently in hospital hoping for a swift recovery but he would have been very pleased with the performance of his team I think Dortmund winning as well so it's as you were at the top but that wasn't the main thing this weekend we have to shout out Hoffenheim-Leverkusen because we had an unbelievable red card in this game I didn't see this Musa it was it was like something out of one of your wildest dreams so let's imagine you Alexander Pras is playing the role of Musa Gwanga in this set you get booked just before half time for a foul yep yep fair enough I'll take that you score the second goal to clinch the game a minute from time at the end perfection go on and the shirt comes off love it and out comes the second yellow card of course yeah of course and one of your favourites as well Cromaric looking at looking at you going no no no what are you doing what are you doing off you go intrusive thoughts off you go intrusive thoughts that's perfect the dream there you go the centre of attention all eyes on me shut off red card perfection there you go man i would love to hear i've not yet heard i think a player come out and say i got sent off in that game and i loved it but i'm sure there are many that just can't of course the feddy valverdy one listen if he loves that anyone ex players anyone ex players that um listen to this podcast or getting past this podcast who want to come and talk about a red card they really enjoyed getting you know not a nasty not a mean one just a kind of like an extravagant one please you know you're welcome come and confess it it's a safe space before we move on from the Bundesliga let's shout out Werder Bremen who got a great 3-2 win over Mainz yes yes and shout out to Gladbach as well who got their first win of the season on Friday night against Stuttgart in Stuttgart Stuttgart are struggling this season Champions League though it happens I think it happens quite a lot yeah anyway right let's go to the Premier League we have to be in Lasting Villa yeah I mean let's shout out Villa who look I'm I find it all really weird with what's happening with Man City at the moment with the Premier League it's just weird I'm so it's so underwhelming no it's worse it's for me I find it really underwhelming each each each week when I'm just like are we just sitting here doing whatever like what does this all mean I thought that Villa were was superb actually and what he's doing with Nicholas Jackson Emery what he's getting out of him obviously he's worked with before just as a coach is just is fantastic yeah i thought villa were very good i thought so yeah yeah yeah they were quite efficient with how they handled man city i think man city also had loads of the ball and i think if you were just going to look at it statistically you'd be like oh well they probably should have got something out of the game if not won the game and i think mareska said that afterwards but the fact that holland gets the goal the equalizer and then less than 10 minutes later villa have taken the lead again i don't know man city have been quite i think against well-organised teams or teams that are closer to them in terms of quality, they've not looked unbelievable.

41:35Ryan Hunn: That goes back to the first day, well, it goes back to the Community Shield, but that was before they'd finished their transfer window stuff. But it also, Bournemouth on the first day of the season gave them a bit of trouble. Ipswich gave them trouble last week. And it's a funny one because that midfield of, you know, Enzo Fernandes and Anderson, I think it's a really good midfield in terms of, I think it's complementary. They complement each other really well. Eddie Anderson superb in a couple of games this season in particular and Cherokee I think is the 10 I like the way he moves the ball really quick he prompts really well I'm not sure I don't know what it is I don't and I wouldn't say it's off the field stuff necessarily I don't know if the blend is right overall as a team and again but also we really don't know how much it matters and it's just weird that's true so let's go back to Villa because they've now completely turned around their tricky start to season.

42:29Ryan Hunn: Same thing happened last year. This is what they do. Same thing happened last year. After not winning any games, they've now won three of the last four. They're unbeaten since they lost to Forest at home. And yeah, the Stiles have scored goals. Yeah, moving up the league. But yeah, City's first defeat of the season and the first drop points of the season in the league. And it meant that Arsenal just needed to beat Everton to go level on points at the top of the league which they did. Very quickly, just before Arsenal, we have a chat about that. I just want to shout out Zion Suzuki as well. Oh yeah.

43:07I know that Jackson will get the headlines for brilliant finishing against Donovan on the first one. He's been a great sign in Suzuki. But Zion Suzuki, absolutely, absolutely superb. Someone said, was it Matty Cash said when we were playing and training, I thought we'd signed a midfielder. So funny. I love quotes like that. But on Arsenal, impressive win.

43:28Ryan Hunn: You know, very kind of low-key. Arsenal need loads of these. Just stress-free wins and that's fine. We'll have plenty of opportunities. Arsenal-Liverpool next week. One of the more impressive wins was Liverpool against Brighton. And important for them. Yeah, poor Florian Viers though. Cannot catch a break. Goes down as a Pascal Gross own goal. And then Isak a few minutes later was like, what, four minutes between the goals? I think with Vietz it's just be affecting the game at this point yeah I think he's playing quite well I think so I think so he just has to let the game come to him rather like Lamin but I think he's I think he's doing that he's doing all the right work so it will come from Barcola getting off to a really good start I think at Liverpool slightly yeah it's starting to work isn't it yeah it's starting to work and that's big for them because they couldn't after Vietz Eketike well not Eketike necessarily but Vietz and Izak they needed another big big signing to work and I think he has, I think to be honest you're seeing relationships, I like the, I like that relationship that they're building between Barclay Vietz and Izak, Vietz and Izak seems to be getting on a real wavelength now the thing I really like about Barclay is that he when Izak started scoring he was straight in doing the celebration as well and I'm like yeah that's cool there's something really cool about Bayern do that as well when Harry Kane scores and they all do the jump oh that's so good oh I love it and to be honest as a neutral it's just really cool to see Alexander Izak getting people out of here again getting this guy out of here yeah getting the swagger back yeah you know what I mean but yeah great win for Liverpool shall we talk about Spurs because Spurs had their was it only their second win since 1990 at Stamford Bridge which is wild they went on the journey Spurs didn't they with this one this was a really fun game as a neutral.

45:22Ryan Hunn: They're springing this at Spurs, haven't they? Two wins in a draw in the last three. But they've got... Yeah, and a great win, Miss, a great win. The obvious headline goes to Mattis Tell for his goal, which is an absolute beauty. Beauty. He's still a young dude, man. And like, look, not many goals. He's got five in 46 for Spurs. Outpaces Achenpong, like with the ball. Right, Achenpong's not a slouch. cuts inside and the finish is an absolute banger. Like he actually puts a bit of curve on it too. Yeah. Bit of outswing. I mean, it just, it's a great goal. Absolute beauty. Yeah. And, and fully, fully deserved for Spurs.

46:02Chelsea went down to 10 players. Palmer sent off. Yeah. Frustration. Could have gone. He could have gone. He was, yeah, it was one of those ones where you're like, there's a player where you're like, this guy's got red card written all over him. I think Bernardo Silva had that when he got subbed off in the class. You were like, ah, Bernardo, this could have, you're not long for this world. I think his frustration was emblematic of the wider issues that Chelsea faced they just couldn't quite get at Spurs in the ways they wanted to Pedro Neto could have been slightly sharper a couple of times Morgan Rodgers not quite sure as a nine that he affects the game as effectively from deep it doesn't quite work for me

46:36Ryan Hunn: I think both sides missed having an actual nine there we know that Xabi Lanza likes to rotate the nines we saw at Leverkusen yeah yeah and he was forced into this but I still don't know if it was the right one to have him that advanced no I mean You know, hindsight's great, right? But we were talking about this on the Hangout about how maybe starting Welbeck would have been a better shout. Totally agree, totally. But Spurs are just really good. The way that Palmer and Rodgers combine as the two 10s, it's devastating because you never know. They're so different, but therefore complementary. Yeah, I think a Welbeck start could have changed things.

47:10Ryan Hunn: Yeah, by far, the best Spurs performance of the season, I think. Yeah, I think so too, yeah. And really, also like, thoughts with James Madison. and I hope he Oh yeah man and he just when he that guy is so unlucky with injuries man Yeah Just when he's getting his reps his rhythm It cut to De Zerbi but he was just like De Zerbi knew Yeah I think he's a really important player for them Yeah I do as well You know He was looking great He was looking great before he went off What like the amount of passes he was making into the gaps he was in the flow and I think for that specific configuration him ahead of Tonali and Financh who offer a bit more, I think, grit and it allows him that, it's a tradition, it's actually quite a Serie A, old school Serie A midfield where you had like the two defence midfielders and someone like Varon just able to like cook in front of them.

48:01Like an old school sort of 4-2-3-1. Yeah, I'm just a bit gutted for them really. Deserve better.

48:09Ryan Hunn: Yeah, I agree. All right, man, should we head to Old Trafford? Yes, let's do it. Let's do it. Do you want to know what's really wild about this? I heard this on commentary. Apparently Bournemouth have become the first side to score three goals in four consecutive trips to Old Trafford. That is a wild stat. So 3-0 in December 23. 3-0 the following December 24. God, bad Christmas presents for Manchester United.

48:48Ryan Hunn: then the 4-all in December 25, and this one. And the funny thing is as well, if you look at this, it was Ten Hag, it was Amirim twice, and now Michael Carrick. So it's not really a manager thing. No, and Bournemouth have won four straight now. Marco Rosa, getting the results to justify. Getting the results that he deserves based on the performances. I completely agree because they started the season so well in terms of I thought they were playing really well and they just weren't getting the results. They looked really impressive on the opening day against Manchester City. They conceded a really late equaliser against Everton the following week and should have won the game.

49:36Ryan Hunn: They played really well against Newcastle away the following weekend. Got a more than justified point. I think they could have won the game. There's no reason why they can't assert themselves more in the Europa League. I mean, they've got a really strong squad. They managed to hold on to the bulk of their players. But if you think about the week they've had, right? It's almost like football manager save territory, if you think about it. 3-0 at home to Milan in Europe. 3-0 away to Manchester United three days later. Unbelievable. And I think the thing about the United victory, the victory of United, is just everything in its right place.

50:15Ryan Hunn: It also could have been more. Yeah, it could have been, should have been more. Such a well-balanced team. Ryan, again, outstanding. And I know I keep saying this, but their ability to hang on to their key players in the summer was just huge for them. Ryan was a constant threat. Evan Nilsson, he got a brilliant finish against, I think, Sunderland. And then this one was even better. Even better. I mean, third goal here, the quality of the finish. Lammons, again, I think, came out early, but then it's also been a bit exposed. Yeah, I also think that it was so windy. It looked like the ball held up in the wind.

50:53Ryan Hunn: I said in the Stadio Discord, it was like hitting a driver into a Scottish par three sometimes. I like that you mentioned that because he absolutely ripped it. It's an unbelievable finish. Yeah, because it looks like it's going to get there and then all of a sudden it just dies and you're a bit like, oh no. And I think that's... He absolutely rips it, yeah. I don't think I can understand why Lomans thinks that he's going to get there and the ball's got enough momentum to get to him but I also just think in that situation you just don't need to do that Totally I'm kind of a little bit like I think that happens though if you're exposed as a goalkeeper if you look at the opening goal right Ryan at the far post and just like how open United are for that Yeah I saw a few complaints about the free kick being given but I think we have to bear in mind that you cannot slide in two feet two footed and even Gary Neville on commentary was saying that he thought Aidan Heaven was lucky you know and they weren't I mean at Bournemouth they weren't they weren't even at full strength Scott obviously out injured and you know Cook and Adams doing a great job in midfield Tavernier exploiting a Euro mistake a slip yeah I was unfortunate but overall just Bournemouth just a really really good team and I'm glad to see them getting the momentum a bit like Villa where the performances there was cohesion that wasn't quite being rewarded with the results and now you're just clicking to gear but I'm excited to see where they finish the thing I find really interesting about Old Trafford as a venue is that do you remember years ago and I know there's nothing worse than there's nothing that makes people eye roll more when you talk about Manchester United and years ago but how it was people just used to be terrified of going to Old Trafford and it's really what I find really interesting in this era of Premier League wealth and how good the middle class has become the teams who have got over the fear of going to Old Trafford and who have capitalised it on over like capitalised on it over multiple seasons so if you look at Brighton and Bournemouth Brighton and Bournemouth are two really key examples of this of just when you get over that thing about going to Old Trafford it just stops becoming like there's too much of a sample size from those two teams in particular to to think that that's not a thing it's not I mean this is going to sound like an unfair comparison I think it's more sorry one more thing I think it's more of a thing for the bigger clubs where the rivalries are quote unquote bigger than it is for teams like Bournemouth, Brighton, etc.

53:41I think it's because, I think it started to put pressure on, it puts more pressure on the home team than the away team. It's become like the Olympia Stadion in one respect. It's not the same as the Olympia, it's not at all. But when Hertha...

53:53Ryan Hunn: Hey, put some respect on the leaders of the Zweite Bundesliga. Thank you very much. But Hertha playing the Olympia Stadion, I think, there are times where it's like the away team is having a better time than the home team. Because you can never quite fill it, you can never, no not fill it, you can never quite enjoy it you're ultimately you're the you're the overdog right and whoever's coming in there is a free hit for them and they're all and also because it's Berlin and you can always get tickets you always see opposition fans just like scattered around yeah yeah it's very yeah it's a wild it's a wild one I think there's a thing about Old Trafford now where unfortunately it's I said my biggest fear for Manchester United was they would become Inter in the wilderness years right Inter in the wilderness years after winning the European Cup and then sort of drifting for a while while Milan went off and had a great time of it.

54:45And they kind of got it back together into the late 80s. But I feel like this is where United are now. It's the great fear. The great club that kind of is a heritage

54:57Ryan Hunn: act. So we're going to save the Manchester United chat. Should we do it on Thursday? Should we talk about Manchester United or should we do it when, if there is a big thing? Because there is There is going to be a moment inevitably that we will talk about this. But I think that Bournemouth were just so good. Yeah. You have to kind of focus on them. Astonishing week. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm so happy for Marco Rosa. It really feels like he fits. Me too. Because we're big fans. But also I was a little bit worried. And the only reason I was worried. You needed his job to work out. Yeah. I was worried for him for the job working out.

55:34Ryan Hunn: but also about how sometimes just the Premier League just chews people up. When you look at what's happening to Pierre Saj, very good manager, had an amazing season with Lons, and it's just like... You know, Marco Rosa was actually in a kind of Marco Silva space. You know, Marco Silva took the job, was it the Fulham job? Well, he needed the Fulham job to really work. Yeah, he needed the Fulham job to work. And he nailed it. He absolutely nailed it. He aced it, in my opinion. I think he was brilliant. had to deal with some changes lost some pivotal players went on and improved them a little bit and I just he'd been there five years for them yeah I thought it was brilliant well it felt weird right it felt like he'd only just got there for five years I think he maximised what they could do there and yeah and that was at Benfica which credit to Marco Silva yeah and credit to Marco Rosa look at the Marcos yes absolutely any other Marcos you want to shout out Royce just because why not credit to the clubs giving them a chance credit to the clubs with the innovation to be like actually that's what we need yeah and we trust in the process yeah I mean Fulham beat Coventry good win that back to back wins now for Fulham the bottom three Forest Coventry Sunderland Manchester United are one point out of the relegation zone with all that money spent it's so weird dude this is why we can't talk about them now like first of all it's so weird it is so weird I think Carrick will probably go this week I think that's probably not the right decision long term I don't really know what else they can do at the moment short term but we'll talk about Manchester United because I think that's probably going to happen but my god man not again like it feels like it feels like we do this every year I it just makes it makes the finish last season feel catfishy no it doesn't the league table doesn't lie but have you seen people starting to come around to the fact that actually the performances were getting better under Amarim before he then got fired I said this in the Stadio discord I have a lot of sympathy for Michael Carrick I'm not entirely sure sacking him does anything and I had a lot of sympathy with Amarim as well but the main thing I cannot understand with Amarim was his thing about Kobi Menuh was so weird it was really weird and but and that was the major major thing but it's just oh man it's so it's all so weird and I don't know if the Amram thing would have worked out or whatever I don't know anything I don't think it would have I don't think it would have I don't think because it was too much too much but put it this way there's talk about like Julian Nagelsmann which should be laughed out of court because anyone that's spent two minutes watching a Nagelsmann press conference is like this man's not going to walk into a burning building the Eddie Howe talk is there we'll get into this another time but it feels more realistic we'll do it on Thursday we can do it on Thursday I mean we might record it before then and then just we'll record it and then like they'll make a decision 20 minutes after do you know what I found really interesting though and I'll say this before we wrap up so the players do a bit of a lap you know and the the tone of the fan base or the I think I find it super interesting and way more of a tell of what is wrong with this football club where all they do is sing Michael Carrick's name.

59:00Ryan Hunn: They sing his song for the entirety of that bit. And he's the first one down the tunnel. And literally the second he goes out of view and it's just the players that are left, intense booing. Unreal. For the players, for the ownership. And I find that really, really interesting. Because they know that Carrick's in an impossible position. Yeah, and I think we will talk about this when we do the Manchester United show and we'll probably do it next, right? So I don't want to go too much there, but Roy Kane's going to cook on stick to football this week. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, that's absolutely said.

59:38Ryan Hunn: I'm clearing the diary. We will be there. Yeah. Bleak times, bleak times. I'm sorry, man. I felt like I was mocking you a bit there. I didn't mean to. No, no, no. Nor was I mocking any Manchester United fans. Come on, man. We're adults. Man, we've... And even those of us that are children, this is the way. Yeah. All right, man. We'll leave it there for today, I reckon. Let's do it. We'll be back on Thursday for members. Don't forget if you want to go and listen to that, sign up, patreon.com forward slash stadio. And yeah, we hope everyone's staying safe and well. Until then, don't forget to check the stadio at Just Play This on Spotify.

1:00:13Ryan Hunn: And speaking of which, we're playing out on Georges Degas and Marcelo Salazar, a track called Ila Grande. Anything you would like to add, Musa Gwanga? Nothing further. All right, everyone. much love have a great week back with you on thursday see you then

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