Jackson Irvine returns! World Cup penalties, Japan, the J.League and much more

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0:54Musa Okwonga: hello and welcome back to the stadio podcast i'm mr kwanga i'm ryan hun ryan how are you doing I am doing alright thanks man how are you doing? I'm good, a little bit sniffly I don't quite know why oh no, change of seasons

1:05Ryan Hunn: yeah, maybe it's that this week actually felt like the first week it felt cold

1:11Musa Okwonga: mmm yes, yes, yes the bomber jackets came out for sure

1:16Ryan Hunn: yeah, had to take an extra layer just in case yeah, totally, I see that I feel that well we hope everyone's staying safe and well wherever you are and we've got a treat today we're going to be joined by the one and only Jackson Irvine. Back on Stadio. I think this is his third is it third time on Stadio now? Can't get enough. Man. I mean we'd have him on every week if he was around but he's quite busy. I mean he's got stuff on. But yeah so we chat about his move to Japan the World Cup some Socceroos stuff loads of stuff. Really good chat with Jackson that's coming up in a minute. Quick bit of admin if you are listening to this on the free feed you want to sign up and get every episode ad free and in full go to patreon.com forward slash Stadio got another show coming up this week with a guest.

1:58Ryan Hunn: Got some shows coming up next week. We're going to have a couple of guests on next week as well. You can join us as a podcast member or if you want to sign up as a Stadio Social Club member which gets you all the podcasts plus access to the Stadio Social Club Discord and other perks. Patreon.com forward slash Stadio. London listeners, we are doing another show at the Southbank Centre in January. If you want to get tickets, the link is in the podcast description and I think that is all the admin. So today, I'm going to talk to Jackson in a minute but just we've got to quickly shout out the WSL because there's a massive game on the weekend Manchester City against Arsenal Arsenal going ahead very much a game of two halves Manchester City kind of ramped it up in the second half to maintain their 100 % start to the season in the WSL they are topped by two points ahead of Chelsea who beat West Ham 3-0 but Arsenal are currently 10th with a negative goal difference played 5-1-1 drawn 2 lost 2 scored four conceded six back-to-back defeats now in the league following the Chelsea defeat last week no win since the opening game of the season win over Brighton

3:05Musa Okwonga: Grim, grim, grim on Manchester City obviously with everything going on as a club it's affecting the men's team I wonder what the implications will be for the women's team actually I just wonder given that they they've got up to such a flyer just on the pitch very briefly it's the usual suspects you'd expect to see at the scene Hasegawa, Hemp and Bunny Shaw just doing the work for Man City there. And they were superb. But yeah, I wonder what lies ahead for them in all of this. We shall see, I suppose.

3:34Ryan Hunn: There are some other football newsy bits this week. Things like Cristiano Ronaldo. I think Cristiano Ronaldo's international career is over.

3:44Musa Okwonga: Do you know what's interesting actually about him? Just the interviews that people are giving now, like players that played with him and stuff, It's almost like they're liberated to just talk about playing with him. It's part of the same team, all the rest of it. And I wonder if when people start doing that, it's because they feel the end is near. On that, I mean, he hasn't officially retired, so we'll obviously keep an eye on that situation. George Jesus has left the door open. I will say on international football, we don't often do much on the Nations League. I do want to mention England's win over Croatia, the 7-0, just because that England front line looked spectacular.

4:24Musa Okwonga: I do think it might be the misfortune of this England men's team to be around in the same era as the Spain men's team, just because I think they're brilliant. I would say as well, there was a thing that Mark Pugac said. They were talking about Jude Bellingham and Roy Keane said, I think he'd go on to become one of the best players of all time. And Pugac was surprised by this. I think we forget just what he's already achieved, actually. I think that his achievements are so wildly beyond what other England players have achieved at his age, both at club level. I mean, like a league and Champions League double.

5:00Ryan Hunn: He did that. Moving to Real Madrid and just taking the number five shirt is...

5:04Musa Okwonga: Taking it and feeling comfortable. And then going on and doing what he did at the World Cup. I think almost we talk about this with Jackson Irvine about like how the penalty was so stonewall that it wasn't given against Brazil and I feel like Jude Bellingham's claim to greatness or his ascent to greatness is so stonewall that it's difficult for people to acknowledge it it's just we haven't seen something like that before like our geniuses our best players there's kind of more flaws in them there's more I think not that he hasn't got his challenges or his flaws but there's more like a lot of our great players in England the men's team have been doomed to fail there's been like a a tragic a tragedy about them oh yeah they're brilliant but they're not going to make it because of X, Y, Z whereas this guy you're like oh he could just go on and do it

5:55Ryan Hunn: Honestly I genuinely think you could move Jude Bellingham to centre back and he'd be fine and you could move into a number 9 and he'd be fine you could move into left wing he'd be fine he could play number 10 he could play as a 6 he could play as an 8 he could play anywhere on the pitch and you will not notice a weakness.

6:10Musa Okwonga: Do you know what I think's happened though? I think there's something else going on, which is that, and this isn't just due to belling, this is also like the youth that some players are doing it. So you look at like Pedri, right? And Laminia Marl. And who we were comparing these players to. We were comparing Pedri to like Iniesta and Laminia Marl to like other players. And you see it, and they've become great so quick that it's almost too fast. We're almost like, hang on a minute, like we're still doing, we're still doing our comparisons. We're still, no, no, they've already, what they've done at their age.

6:40Ryan Hunn: It's like, I should not be this familiar with your game. Yeah, this is... So we are.

6:48Musa Okwonga: Like, this is too... It's not a is. Why are you making music this good this early? Do you know what it's like? Actually, I'll say this and throw this in before we move on. Showing my age once again on this podcast. When Jimi Hendrix arrived in Notting Hill and all the big...

7:02Ryan Hunn: I remember the first time we brought home a 78. I thought you were going to say I had a copy of the Gutenberg Bible or something

7:09Musa Okwonga: I've got an original cylinder recording of

7:16Ryan Hunn: sorry carry on no no it's fine

7:18Musa Okwonga: it's like when Hendrix comes to Notting Hill and like everyone comes and watches him like all the rock bands who were huge at the time and he's just this unknown dude that turns up and he comes in and he's so good that he's already

7:32Ryan Hunn: better than the

7:34Musa Okwonga: people watching in the audience who are legends like and i think there's something about the speed at which they've actually made it within decent haste when i was looking at that player that set of barcelona players and what they've already won what they've already achieved and obviously bellingham too is one of their sort of counterparts like peers it's it's ridiculous i don't look i know that players get started earlier and they play more games by a certain point so that progress is accelerated. But still with all of that, these footballers should not be as good as they are. It's too... It's too...

8:07Musa Okwonga: Do you know what?

8:08Ryan Hunn: Laminia Marle-Jimmy Hendricks comp is no notes.

8:11Musa Okwonga: Oh, thank you.

8:14Ryan Hunn: Because if you think about the time when Jimmy arrived and the time when Laminia Marle arrived and you're just a bit like, oh, I mean, you're just coming off the back. We're not ready for another great.

8:22Musa Okwonga: We're not ready for another great. Come on.

8:23Ryan Hunn: Oh, this guy has just turned up and just like, what, he's playing a right-handed guitar, left-handed? what the hell like what is this noise like what the he's using a light he's using a lighter to play slide what is this can you imagine but seriously like let me let me can you imagine being in the room seeing Jimi Hendrix for the first time

8:44Musa Okwonga: I this is and I love that you mentioned this because we will move on to the Jackson interview in a moment but there's something about watching an elite player catch fire we talked about this at Lamin Amal against Inter when he went into like warp drive and pedri was just like go on son go for it pedri being the kind of like captain of the ship going go for it just take the ball in and lamin yamal there's a thing where you see like an elite athlete where's lewis hamilton you know the weekend whatever you see an elite athlete and shout out to lewis that come back was wild nothing around them exists you know when you watch those elite athletes in like nadia komanech whatever at the olympics you just see them and it's you can't see anything but them and even though anything even more impressive i think in a team sport where there's other players in the pitch and they just seem not to exist i think to have achieved that as soon as he hasn't and to what i mean even laminima on the nation's league at the weekend the last few games he's gone into like another space i like the way you're talking

9:39Ryan Hunn: about laminima catching fire it's just like jimmy hendrix literally set his guitar on fire

9:45Musa Okwonga: the same person never seen them same place hey dude well well listen can you imagine if you

9:52Ryan Hunn: were lean right can you sorry let's just back up a second could jimmy hendrix came back as a footballer definitely imagine if actually past lives got proven to be true scientifically and it turned out that laminya mal had actually been jimmy hendrix in the past life like i'm sorry

10:07Musa Okwonga: mate but like i'm buying it i'm absolutely buying it past lives podcast that would be unreal wouldn't

10:12Ryan Hunn: it like talk to people about oh yeah that could be a study that could be a stadio bit who were footballers in their past lives just as like spiritually past lives yes spiritually hendrix uh right anyway okay anything else you want to shout out from football stuff recently no that's it that's it all good we did we did two shows on man city last week and if you haven't listened to them go back and listen to them um and we'll take a bit of a pause from the man city stuff for now and i reckon let's get into our chat with jackson let's do it State Fair food is getting smaller and pricier. We'll have room for fried cookies.

10:51Ryan Hunn: Okay, you never overspend on food. What's your deal? What's his deal?

10:55Musa Okwonga: He went to Metro and got$450 in value on the new Samsung Galaxy A37 5G for free.

11:01Ryan Hunn: And no activation fees. Free phone?

11:04Musa Okwonga: Oh, sign me up. Get that more for your money feeling. Only on Metro by T-Mobile. Free your number and activate$40 period plan. $450 based on device discount waived activation fee. Not available if we've met your team mobile in the past 180 days.

11:19Ryan Hunn: Welcoming back to Stadio, one of our favourite people. And if Stadio had a captain, I think he'd be wearing the armband. It's Jackson Irvine. There he is. G'day, guys. Hello. How are you, mate? Yeah, I'm good, mate. I'm good. I appreciate the captain reference. That's very nice of you. I appreciate it. You're back in Japan after international break. First international break since you moved. Did you enjoy the shorter commute back to us? I'll tell you what, in my brain, it was shorter than it was. It's still like 14 hours from Australia. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Still quite far away. I think I've just formed a nice triangle between Europe and Australia.

12:00I've not really gone that much closer. But the one thing is I'm in the same time zone. so there was no uh no jet lag which is a a very nice change after 12 years of long international travel for for national team games but no it was great it was great really good

12:17Musa Okwonga: whoa whoa wait we traveled 14 hours and you're in the same time zone yeah bizarre isn't it what in what intarnation what it's like one hour time difference but yeah it's essentially just

12:31Ryan Hunn: like straight up just imagine if like uh london to hamburg or london to berlin took 14 hours well should we start there because moussa i'm gonna moussa's itching to get into some brazil chat yeah definitely but you had two friendlies against brazil back in australia it was quite a nice thing to see two uh fixtures against the same team just back to back in an international break to be honest it was probably one of my probably my favorite international window in australia maybe of my of my career like amazing the whole like of course i think the level of opposition and like the squad that they brought obviously got the hype going for the fans and everything but i've never and but i also think the you know post world cup and our kind of young stars getting big moves and there was just a lot of like the energy around the team is probably the best i've felt it since probably in my time in the national team, probably since when we won the Asian Cup in 2015.

13:27Musa Okwonga: Wow. Yeah, it was amazing. And the performances were top. Like we should have won the first game really, conceded like last kick of the game. And if anything, we maybe even played better in the second game and we were winning 2-1 and we're very unlucky with a couple of decisions as well. And so from a football side and like the energy around like the team and the fans and it was like, yeah, is really one of my favorite international windows of and yeah maybe ever in australia it was really top yeah it was really cool really cool can i jump in on the penalty shot that felt like a turning point in the second game and obviously you were in the center of that and looked like he basically just like body checked you right like what yeah it was your face when you go back yeah do you know like what the funniest thing i kept like i've talked to a couple of people about it since and I've watched it back after um you know you try to I watched it like a couple of days later once like you the emotions settled on it you're like I wonder how that actually looked it's like so obvious that you can't even but you that I think it's too obvious for the referee yes like now we micro we micro analyze these penalty situations we look for the slightest contacts these like you know some like they zoom in slow motion these like tiny things and then you have a situation like that where you take a touch past someone and they just wipe you out and it's like well i don't know it's like too often it's like it's surely because i think it hasn't been seen i think it's because that type of body check has not been seen in the wild for so long in the age of var that you're like no he can't have done that like it no it almost doesn't enter the you know it's like robbing a bank it's like robbing a bank without a mask on with all the cctv yeah yeah yeah as soon as as soon as like you know it's done like you can see the look on my face like disbelief it's like because he hit me so hard in the chest as well it's like whoa like come on it has to be anyway it was it changes the momentum of the game it changes it right you see it it did so we didn't get that we didn't get that um that call we missed we had another really big chance and then actually there was a big uh scuffle on the halfway line and that was another moment where the end the the kind of dynamic of the game shifted a bit as well everyone got in a bit of a fight like a bit of push and shove and and they came out the other side of that to be fair lit a fire in them and they scored pretty quickly after that and then but it was yeah it was a brilliant game it was everything you want from a friendly game which is like both teams really trying to win you know not and like care about the result like with a bit of fire you know a lot all every game against the south american team tends to have that little bit of extra fire because i think they're just the passion they play with and they love representing you know their countries and they're under the microscope as well every time they play in the international discourse.

16:11So they have to show that they really want to perform. But it was ace. Yeah, it was top. And obviously all the big guys, all the big forwards coming out and some of the biggest clubs in the world, top 10, Rafinha probably, most informed player in the world right now. So yeah, it was a great test for us really. All around, it was a top camp. And yeah, like for me, especially at my age kind of now, I know I'm only 33, but you do kind of feel every game now in the national team, you kind of have to still show that you can do it, you know? Like, especially when you start a new cycle, you know, it's going to be four years to another World Cup and you want to really, to maintain your spot that you've got to show like you can still do it against the top teams.

16:54And I was happy with how I played too. So all around, it was good.

16:57Ryan Hunn: Was that the first time you played against Carlo? It was. Yeah, the Don. I got to have five seconds with him in the tunnel after the game as well. So he was pretty, as chill as he, as his reputation proceeds, chewing his gum. I think if we're going to get a manager on Stadio, I think him or Ernesto Valverde would probably be our first two choices. I think Ernesto would be, you know, get him talking about it. It's like, why don't we just tell everyone about your photography, Ernesto? That thing you mentioned about at your age, what's it like as someone who's been such a staple and continues to be a staple, but when you see these youngsters coming up, Have you consciously changed your role in terms of, I don't know, maybe like being someone who, you know, replacing that role of someone that you used to look up to?

17:42Ryan Hunn: Has it affected how you play or how you are around those camps? I don't think so, no. I think my kind of role within the team and in general, most of my career has been quite organic. Like I tend to, because my main focus in like my whole career has always been, you know, I'm a very team focused player. You know, I recognize my own. limitations as an individual and I know that my I function best within a team dynamic that operates in a certain way and I know I've always been quite good at understanding how to get the best out of that and how I can play my role within that and I know like especially now when we have these as I say these young guys that have you know three probably three of the biggest moves we've had since Harry killed a Liverpool you know like we've it's pretty exciting times for us and And I know the fans want to see this generation of players really push and progress.

18:43But I do think there's a huge role to play in balance of experience and being able to recognize, as I said, and work within the dynamics of the framework of what we've already built as a team and myself and as Izbeet, our left back, who has been one of our, again, our most consistent performers. is 35 and we're both kind of up around 87, 88 games for the national team. And from both of us, this camp was like a real, I think we felt it like a little bit of a moment to show not only can we carry on performing, but we can still be two of our most experienced performers and be the kind of glue for these young guys to be able to grow.

19:26Because they're going to do it in their domestic football for sure, but international football is another story. so I always try to keep it it has to be natural I just think I think players and fans and everyone know when something's forced or when you're overcompensating so I think it's yeah I try to keep it you know within the way I've always been but also try to to help within it as well

19:50Ryan Hunn: yeah so you're back in Japan new club new season yep we were texting weren't we in the summer about coming on yeah and then it was like three days after I texted you initially the move came through and I was like alright you're busy I'll see you next month yeah that's a hell of a move man yeah it was it was a wild summer coming off the back of the World Cup and the way the season before kind of ended in such disappointment and then having to kind of so quickly switch into World Cup mode and everything that had gone on physically with me with my injury last season and what I was putting myself through, so to speak, physically to try and maintain Bundesliga status and then make it to the World Cup.

20:36That was obviously the two major visions over those few months. And when the dust kind of settled on it all and you look at where you are in your life and career and when this opportunity came up, and again, I used the word organic. We were supposed to come to Japan on holiday, my wife, Jamila and I, last year. and then it was then I got the fracture in my foot and I had to have the surgery so I couldn't really couldn't really do a big holiday last summer because I was doing my rehab so then we said all right we'll do it next year after the world cup and you know we came here for for for two weeks and it was like amazing it was you know we had such an amazing time experiencing everything about it here and then it was literally like a few days after that where the conversation started you know something kind of popped up and as a potential opportunity and yeah it just felt kind of yeah it felt kind of natural in the same way that my move to germany did in in that moment where we were in our life and career it felt like just it was like yeah this is the kind of yeah the right moment the right moves i don't want to sound i don't want to sound jealous of

21:45Musa Okwonga: you but you've been in hamburg and now isaka and i'm trying i'm struggling to contain myself here because I'm angry. I'm irrationally angry. You've got to live into these two great cities. We know about the greatness of Hamburg. What is it that has struck you most about Osaka in the first sort of couple of months there? What's standing out to you in terms of spots that you're enjoying? To be honest, it's so vast. I think that's the other thing about these Japanese cities is there's like, I feel like we've been somewhere new every time we've gone out, but we've settled in the city. which has been really fun.

22:21It's kind of similar to when we moved to Hamburg and we lived in St. Pauli and everyone was kind of, you get a few funny looks from the locals like, oh, that's where you're going to live. The kind of ward we're living in in the city has got a bit of a reputation for being kind of one of the rougher neighborhoods, but I think the Japanese are very different.

22:43Musa Okwonga: Conceptions. Oh yeah, concept of what rough means. but uh it's it's really it's really cool and we're kind of and everyone says the word everyone keeps saying to us when we say they're like oh you're in deep osaka like wow you're in you're in osaka for real that's incredible great name for a band great name for a band yeah deep osaka yeah very good um so yeah we're really trying to like embrace it as we always do like i think when you come somewhere like this it would have been crazy to not try and really get you know get get your fingers in into the into the city and we've yeah i don't know like obviously to be honest the food is like what's the best yes please what's the best what's the standout meal you've had what's it's it's i love it all and and osaka is like got the reputation as being the best food in japan as well so we've got to experience all of that like even at the club oh my god every day at lunch every day i go upstairs i'm just like oh this is the best like it's so good is it vegan is it sushi what's what we got what we got everything everything the sushi is amazing like we've had we've had every kind you can get you could go omakazi so you know chef's choice like when you go to like a great restaurant or you could literally go to 7-eleven convenience store and i swear to god it won't let you down like it's the quality the baseline level of quality is so high um and then yeah everything like and i love the different styles of eating as well because in the in Europe or in the UK, you would like go out for ramen as like a sit-down meal.

24:13Like you would go out for like dinner or something like that. Whereas like ramen here is like at a bench with like six other people, get your bowl, wolf it, get out. Like it's like a quick, and it's amazing. Yeah, it's so good. The food's been, I would say it's probably the highlight. Oh my God. As I speak so enthusiastically. Oh my God.

24:35Ryan Hunn: You're in Osaka now. What is your thing in Port City's? dude hall hamburg yeah glasgow leith yeah leith oh my god yeah i can pick them i can pick them yeah and jamila actually said the same thing when we first moved here she was like you've gone from hall to hamburg to osaka there's a theme find someone who loves you like jackson

24:54Musa Okwonga: ever loves the port city mate that's it that's it isn't it it's it's wild though isn't it it's

25:00Ryan Hunn: wild how these things like you kind of like pop up um so how's that let's move on to the league because the J League is, I think, in a really exciting spot. You're there in the first season that has moved to August to May schedule. How's the vibe been so far? How are you finding it? How are you kind of settling into the team? But also, what's been the cool things that you've experienced so far in a football sense that you're like, oh, wow, I didn't realise it was like that? Definitely the first to go and touch on the surprise factor. The first thing was the fact that it's been the fan culture.

25:28Because I've played here in national team games and stuff like that. And you see at the World Cup. and there's this kind of perceived notion that Japanese fans are very like, which they are very respectful and very, you know, support the team in a certain kind of way. But I had no idea of like, there is like an ultra culture here. You know, the atmospheres within the stadium is superb, like drums, organized fan groups, as well as like normal, you know, family section, everything. The atmospheres have been unbelievable. I've been really, really impressed. And I think that kind of ties into my biggest feeling about all of it is that it's really the most under-marketed league in the world.

26:13It's actually crazy how few international broadcasters there are, first of all. Our little kind of awareness. There is so much to enjoy about this league between the fan culture, between the aesthetics of the clubs, like the jerseys and the colors. So unique as well. Their energy, it's like there's nothing quite like it. The style of football is anyone who obviously follows Japanese footballers probably more so than the Japanese league. The way that they play the game, it's so high energy. It's so – their baseline technical quality is like elite. We played against a J3 team, a third league team, in a cup game the other week.

26:57And honestly, they were building up better than I've seen a lot of European teams. The baseline technical quality and their one-against-one ability to dribble, get out of tight spaces is so elite. And the games are so entertaining. The games are free-flowing, open. There's loads of goals. Honestly, it shocks me that there's not more opportunity for international fans to enjoy the league because there's so much to enjoy about it, really.

27:24Ryan Hunn: Chucking in a plug almost is that if you are interested, the J League International YouTube shows some of the games. Yeah, J League International. I think they four games a week, I think. But yeah, man, I agree. How's the start been? I saw your assist. You talk about free-flight football.

27:39Musa Okwonga: Someone's cooking out there. It's been great. It's been a totally new challenge for me, and it was part of the reason that I came here as well. After 10, 12 years in the UK, before I moved to Germany, I was in that kind of moment where, not that the football was stale, but that you're just ready to experience something new, even within your own game. And entering in a new phase of my career, kind of post-World Cup as well. And I just felt like there was something there to be able to, I don't know, add something new to my game as well. And I think since I came here, I've already found that my game is changing and developing again.

28:23I feel like I've got a new energy. And my coach actually, the national team, even said the same thing to me. he says like you know you look lighter you know freer on the pitch you look like you're kind of doing things differently and for me that's great because I've um you know as most footballers will say you know you're never kind of done developing you know you can you kind of obviously you you figure out the kind of player you are but you're never done adding things to it and I feel like this is a perfect place for me to add another element to my game and I feel like that's happened even in a few short weeks.

28:56Musa Okwonga: Love that. That's cool man. Can I um you mentioned the World Cup a couple of times and I know that we're in Japan we can fly back there in a moment I want to talk about the World Cup because seeing your role in it seeing Australia go out to Egypt in that game but also knowing what Egypt put up against Argentina and wondering how much of a what if are you feeling still about that tournament and your potential to have gone further yeah it's post World Cup emotions is one of the hardest things I'll ever they'll ever have to like explain or deal with in the game. Because it's such an epitome of what you try to achieve as a player, especially someone like me, obviously I played in the Bundesliga, and that's a top five league and everything, but most of my career, the national team football has been the pinnacle of the level that I've played at and the World Cup sits obviously at the very top of that.

29:48And the dynamic of these weeks that you go in there, we were in camp for nearly nine weeks. We were one of the first teams to come into camp, and we were there from the end of May, kind of obviously to our last game, the 4th of July. It's in this extremely high, professional, concentrated environment. And then you're kind of hit with just this hard cut. And the hard cut's going to come wherever because you're going to go out, whether you win it or you go out in the group stage, it ends. And you're never quite prepared for the emotions that kind of come with that. you know it's it's so difficult to process it all and when i do reflect on it all and after you know soul searching through it disappointment regret you know what if all those questions you kind of settle on where i am now which is disappointed yes but not disappointed in the performances not disappointed in the way we played the way we approached the games the way we prepared just the result and you know when you can reflect on everything that happens within the context of the way we did everything through those through that tournament you can then there's like a kind of peace in knowing that yeah there was an opportunity no doubt we could have won that game penalty shootouts a toss of a coin but you know that doesn't necessarily mean that you know i I don't have any regrets about the way that it went.

31:17It's just, of course, yeah, there's another world where things go differently. But the way that we did everything and the way that it went for us, I'm still unbelievably proud of the team and the way it went. And for Australia to be reaching knockout football, it's only the third time in our history I've been fortunate enough to do two of them the last two World Cups. For us, that is still an outstanding achievement. And we do want to push further. Of course we do. We want to be that team that goes another step and wins a knockout game and it takes us further than we've ever been. But, you know, it's still, yeah, there was so much to be proud of at the end of it.

31:52Musa Okwonga: There's one, I want to follow up with that. There's one thing I will say before I ask my follow-up question. The thing I'll say about Australia at World Cups, the men's teams, is that they always seem like a team that optimises all its resources. Even when you went out to Italy that time, like, you know, the late Totti penalty, it felt like you never feel with Australia that they've left anything on the pitch. but I want to ask specifically about your penalty in the shootout against Egypt, because it's not often you get to talk to someone who's taken and scored a penalty in a shootout. What are the emotions approaching the spot?

32:20Musa Okwonga: And was there any kind of outer body experience when you see where the penalty lands up? Like, did you dissociate? Was it conscious? What were you feeling like before? And because I just want to go there. What was it like? So first things first, I have said it post World Cup, but not a lot of people probably still know that. But that was the first penalty of my career.

32:45500 plus professional games. What a time to do. I've never taken a penalty. So there you go. That probably gives you a first insight to how I was feeling. Couldn't be me. Just saying.

32:58Musa Okwonga: Literally couldn't be me. But so we did two shootouts the day before the game and the day before that, just as we did to prepare for the potential of it. And I... Every single player took a penalty, top to bottom, 26 players, all goalkeepers. We all took one penalty in the first and one penalty the other game. And obviously people practice in between, but we did it in like a shootout format. And I took both penalties and I put both penalties on the same side exactly where not as probably not quite as well as I did the one in the shootout, but in the similar kind of area. And then, you know, nothing was said to us by the staff.

33:34It was kind of like, you know, everyone took their penalties. We took the shootouts. That was that. And then obviously the game finished. And, and, you know, you get, we come over to the thing, to the bench, we're sitting around and we get the list and it's, you know, one to 10. And I was obviously, and he was like, Jacko, you're going at two. And I was just kind of like, all right, here we go. And then, you know, obviously my family and stuff are there and they all know that I've never taken a penalty. It's kind of a bit of a running joke, like that I don't take penalties. It's like, you know, the amount of times I've been like at number six or number seven and it just ends right before me.

34:14I never get in the five. So anyway, they put me at two. But I will say like, obviously, the biggest pressure was after Harry missed the first one and then they score. And then you have to walk up second. I think that was probably where I felt the pressure the most, not on the penalty itself, but like situation, knowing that if you don't score the second one, then it's going to be extremely difficult from there. So I tried to just be relaxed and focus. I'd made my mind up well before. I'd know I was never going to change. I'd put it, as I said, the same side in both ones before. And yeah, luckily it was...

34:50Smoked it. I think, yeah. Smoked it. You did absolutely smoke it. If that's my only one ever, I'm happier with the way it works.

34:57Ryan Hunn: Mr. Jackson, I strictly wanted done in World Cup penalties.

35:01Musa Okwonga: Was there like an energy shift when Mo Salah scored his little Penenka? I definitely think so. To do a Penenka in a shootout, I think it felt like someone let the air out of the balloon a little bit. You know what I mean? It was like, oh, buddy, all right, there.

35:23They can do this all night. Yeah, that's how comfortable they are. But to be honest, again, the way that we prepared and the way we did our shootouts and everything, I think we did it in a way that everyone was kind of comfortable with. I think obviously you can say it's easy to sit back and say, he should have taken one instead of him or this and that. But in the moment, the coaches make the decision that they think the best, the players who are comfortable to do it, you know, stepped up and yeah, I'll never, you know, you never harbour any feelings to anyone in a shootout because it takes, and for Lucas, you know, 18 years old, just insane to walk up there in that kind of moment and to even, you know, walk, walk down that pitch is just incredible.

36:11yeah. You know.

36:12Ryan Hunn: Is there like a real sense of responsibility over players like that when that happens? Because obviously, you know, so young. Yeah. What's it like after that? I mean, not wanting to kind of, I don't want anything obviously go too personal but people just really focus is it almost like people just focus on making sure that he's all right yeah yeah like it to be honest it kind of it almost for me went a little bit too far the other way where it was like there was so much there was so much emphasis on him and his like and it was all from a positive perspective like this and that and everything but then it like i don't know it kind of felt like a bizarre kind of almost making it worse because people are trying to be supportive.

36:46Ryan Hunn: Yeah, I get that. By trying to be supportive and so much. And like, I don't know if you saw all the stuff with Zlatan coming out and reaching out to him and stuff, which was like obviously really nice and amazing that like someone saw her profile, had so much respect for him in that moment to say, you know, and they did speak and everything like that. But as I said, it kind of pushed him more and more into the spotlight. Yeah, that's interesting, man. Yeah. What I will say about Lucas is the focus that's been on him probably since then and over just the last six months in general, he's dealt with incredibly like even his performances in these two games and the way he stepped up and now playing in the premier league and you know he was you know nine months ago ten months ago he moved from the a league to the mls and now he's starting in the premier league and starting national team player and he's played a world cup black it's it's this insane rise for such a young guy and the eyes and conversations about him have been relentless you know like even like we're having now but he's he's dealt with it magnificently and he's he's so humble and yeah he's just incredible future and we're so we're just so lucky to have you know produced a

37:50Musa Okwonga: player like that talking of players in your squad incredible young players next story iran kunda interesting player because he's someone who seems to go to another level with the national side um just maybe it's the context the squad but and maybe it's the stage actually because this is the biggest stage that he gets and it feels like when the eyes are on him he goes up a level what do you see in his game that's striking to you? And what, what do you feel like his ceiling could be? He's, he's, his fearlessness is his most, um, is his most powerful attribute. You know, like he plays so free with such confidence, with such, um, yeah, such ease and, and, and comfort in the, in what he wants to do.

38:37And, um, you know, that, that, And we don't produce many players like that in the Australian game, I would say. I think we have a lot of highly dynamic, physical, very tactically strong footballers who, not that we lack expression, but maybe we tend to do it very well within a framework, within a structure. But he just has that spark, which is something completely different. And he has, what I will say about him as well, is he has the moment. You know, there's players that have moments. And I think for so long in Australia, we are so focused. Because we are the kind of team we need to be on it for 90 because, you know, we don't have like the superstar players like when we play against in Argentina and things like that.

39:28You know, you need 11 guys that are going to be there for 90 minutes consistently doing, you know, where we need to be. But now we've got a guy who can maybe not be so active in a game for large parts of it, but can produce the one moment which decides it. And this is like football. You can't teach it. You can't create it. You just have players that are capable of producing it. And he has it. did you ever watch robin williams ad-libbing riffing robin williams just like he would go

40:03Musa Okwonga: and he would just riff with no script and i feel like some footballers are like that they're like they're not they're like uh improv actors they're incredible at like the finding there's someone someone there was a clip about zinedine zidane and someone said zidane can't actually do tricks if you say like zizu can you do like a rainbow flick you can't do it but if you drop him in a situation where he has to like improvise to create something incredible then he's like mind-blowing and i feel like he's got that same energy yeah makes sense yeah exactly yeah the ability to to i don't know settle and react and produce something you know in that moment so no he's he's brilliant as well and he's such a good character like he's got such a big personality and i think that's another thing that our game needs you know i think in particular whether you look at the matildas they have such an incredible they've built such incredible relationship with the public through their personalities through their like the way that they are as people as well as players and i feel like with the men's side we've struggled to really break that we've struggled to like connect with the public in a really kind of in particular the new generation um of fans but he is he is that like he's he's he's just he's got that star quality you know i'm gonna bang a free kick from 30 meters do a backflip and then do a michael jackson dance It's like, what?

41:24And, you know, I'm like, I can graft my bollocks off for 90 minutes, like run 13K, do 15 slides, but no one cares. You want to see the guy do a back. Both are important, man. Both are important. But, you know, I'll do it every day of the week to watch him do that and produce this kind of visual, like, oh. Like, honestly, I came off against that game against Brazil and I was like, I couldn't have been more happy that it was one of our players that stole the show. that created that like, you know, that created a moment that went viral. Everyone was like, look at this, look at what this, look at this kid did, look at this celebration, look at this goal.

42:01You know, it's Brazil, but he, you know, Real Madrid, Barcelona players, and it's like, no, it's our guy who can do it. That's what, in my heart, that's what I love more than anything for our game. It's amazing.

42:11Ryan Hunn: Did you notice like the energy was different in that post-World Cup and then with something like that? Is it like, was there a different kind of, I know you mentioned it a little bit earlier, but is there like a sense of something really kind of starting to shift with the national team at home? I think so. I really think so. I think, as I said, I think the domestic moves that the players made has made people be like, whoa, you know, Nesta to Sporting, Alessandro to Cicardi to Benfica, Lucas to Hull in the Premier League, like Pauli Ocon, Engstler to Cologne in Bundesliga. You know, you've got four players under 23 who have moved to the top, you know, Champions League or top five leagues, like off the back of the World Cup.

42:49Like that's just huge. And Patrick Bates, the goalkeeper, to Troyes in France as well. So you could say five of that starting XI have made defining moves at a very young age. And as I say, I think they've puffed their chest out a little bit as well and been like, we're ready to take the next step. And the disappointment from the World Cup has been turned into like, no, let's go again. Let's push further.

43:15Ryan Hunn: Love that. Outside of your stuff this season, what's caught your eye in football? Don't worry, I'm not going to be like, Jackson Irvine what's your opinion on the Manchester City verdict and to be honest we did two podcasts on that last week and I was like I'm so glad we've got Jackson on next week and we don't have to talk about the Manchester City stuff stuff that's caught your eye this season there's been so many stories already in like such a brief part of the season like it's I've been fascinated by the Ballon d 'Or discourse to be honest like oh let's do this yeah yeah let's go for it let's go for it not because like I put too much you know it's like the Oscars it's like you can you can give an award to one film but you know we're all allowed to say everyone can it's opinions at the end of the day not that i put it but i've like the way that it's been i don't think i've ever seen it wrapped up in so much marketing like you know like clubs and players like endorsing and lobbying like yes it's bizarre like and i'm finding it like i'm like how did this start like this kind of you know like you have to declare for your candidate it's the

44:17Musa Okwonga: oscars it's the oscars it is you know the oscars you have like we tried to interview someone um for the podcast it was it was on the emmys but similar thing and they're like sorry i'm campaigning at the moment they were literally like campaigning like that was a thing that was being done and people campaign like for months and i think the thing about the um i think it's social media because i think people understood that actually people started to think hang on a minute spontaneously a lot of this stuff is decided by traffic so then you have rogery doing his essay for players Tribune before he went to the Battle of the Door last time about like I'm just a normal guy and I'm like interesting because you never do any social media you have Mbappe coming out and talk about and it's almost like you have to put your hat in the ring does that make sense?

45:00Yeah definitely

45:01Musa Okwonga: but also a good example as well because people have such short memories now with social media and clips going viral people can actually forget Harry Kane's body of work

45:10Ryan Hunn: or Lamina Miles

45:11Musa Okwonga: The first time you came aside

45:13Ryan Hunn: one of the things that really stood with me was when you were talking about what it's like playing against Argentina with Messi on the pitch. I was going to say, if there are anyone in the list, for example, that you've played against who you're just like, yeah, that's the guy. Because I still don't think, I think people maybe in England, since Harry Kane's moved to Bayern, there is a lot of the usual, oh, it's Bayern, oh, it's the Bundesliga. Different players, obviously, but it's a similar kind of vibe to playing against Messi, which is like, you know Harry Kane, if he gets like half a yard, it's done.

45:43Yeah, there's an inevitability about him, like 100%. He's a big guy as well. And yeah, I think that's one of the, for a lot of the people who have played against him, the first thing they'll say that shocked them was, oh my God, he is the strongest guy in the world. Like he uses his body unbelievably well. He's just too, it's not fair. He can do everything. It's like you can't have a guy that can drop in between center backs and play a pass 50 meters in between lines who can then score left foot, right foot, header in the box in tight spaces. He can score from set pieces. He can score from distance.

46:23It's like he is, for me, like obviously from having played against him and everything, I think his season has been just so complete. And he did it and he's performed at the major tournament. and I know they didn't win everything, but he still produced big moments and massive goals. And I'm such a huge fan of him. And I was desperate for Bayern to win the Champions League, obviously having played in Germany at the time and been a huge admirer of the way that they played and watching that semifinal was maybe the greatest, one of the best games of football I've seen in years, the Bayern PSG first leg.

46:57And I just, I so wanted them to win it because I feel like, again, the English discourse would change if he wins the Champions League. or a World Cup. He didn't win either, but he's inevitable in any sense. It might not be from the goal, but it might be from something else. He's an incredible footballer. He's got better as well than he's got to Bayern.

47:24Ryan Hunn: That's the thing. People don't realise that he's got even better, which is wild. That's what I think. I know that people talk about the league and the team he's playing for, but if you look at like Ronaldo, Zlatan like Lewandowski they all scored more goals in their mid like 30s than they did in the rest of their careers and he's just following that trend like I just I don't think it's got anything to do with the league that he's playing and actually as you say I think he's just a better he's just getting better.

47:50Musa Okwonga: He's the only player to expand his game though Jackson. Of those ones you've named he's the only player like Lewandowski as much as I love Lewandowski I always felt the Barcelona more dangerous without him in the attack because it made them completely unpredictable whereas with by and now you don't know who's arriving in the box you have no idea who's going to you don't you don't know you don't know who the execution is going to be you know like yeah who was they saying which assassin are they sending because what what what kane has done is he's now done that thing where you're looking up at the at the forward line you're like well is it going to be him is it going to be like you know clint east or is it going to be one of the young gunners who he's just popped up and he's just the real assassin And it's like 60 yards back down the pitch, you know, with Kane.

48:31Yeah, yeah. But it's been, I've just enjoyed the general, like watching it kind of unfold in this like very political and yeah, like kind of way. And I found that quite interesting. And, you know, and how the different approaches and how Yamal's obviously very outspoken and talking about his own thing. And, you know, he's, this is what I've done. And this is what, this is the role I played in this moment and this kind of thing. And then the approach of Kane to be more step back and things will be decided as they will be. And I don't know, it's just an interesting analysis in the way that players operate.

49:11Musa Okwonga: Did it start with the Vinicius thing? Yeah. It kind of started with the Vinicius because I feel like if you have to, but then again, look, it started with the Vinicius, but it didn't work. Like if you have to say it, if you have to say it, like Rodri did the essay, but Rodri was going to win anyway, right? Like it had been decided. Modric shouldn't have to say a thing. Messi has Messi's probably said fewer words publicly than he's won Ballon d 'Or if you yeah yeah do you know what I mean so look I want to talk about one other Ballon d 'Or candidate just because he played against him recently Rafinha who to me epitomises oh my god he just he is the team player par excellence what stands out to you about Rafinha's game at close quarters like having witnessed them up close in a couple of games yeah his I really didn't recognize like kind of what, when he got given the captaincy at Barca, I think I was probably one of many that raised a few eyebrows, having not like, I've never worked with the guy who played against him.

50:07So I thought it was an interesting kind of decision. But having been on the pitch with him in the last, these last two games, you can totally see why he's like, he is relentless and demanding of his teammates. He is, like you said, he's the ultimate kind of team player. He makes runs and movements. He's humble enough to make those movements, to not receive the ball in particular. And I think that's why he works so well with Barcelona as you compare, like watching, having played with Vinicius with the ball at his feet is, of course, incredible. But when you compare the two of them and the systems that they play in, it's so clear to see how one of them fits so perfectly within a Barcelona system and one is a Real Madrid player.

50:48It kind of is a very clear reflection of the styles of play and even just having seen them over two games. Really interesting. but I've just I've loved I love the intensity that he plays I love the obviously just again the producing of big moments and at the moment in that front line it's just and they seem to be so happy it's like the Barcelona of old they seem so happy to share I think that's something I've noticed about the Barca team in the last few weeks is yeah I've not seen them probably for a few years as comfortable to play the extra pass, the extra movements where they seem as happy to assist and to score, which is very reflective of the team in their most successful years.

51:38So yeah, no, it's been great to watch. I think if they'd have won that Champions League, we'd probably be having a very different conversation. Or if Bayern won that Champions League, it'd be a very different conversation probably the other way around as well. Especially with if you might have won the World Cup and this on the other hand and it looks quite different. But yeah, that's the game.

52:03Ryan Hunn: Rafinha I think is really interesting because he, you know, they were trying to get him out the door at executive level and then Flick gives him the captaincy. It's going to sound weird but it's almost like he's had to really, it feels like he's had to, he's really fought for those moves in his career and he's really fought to stay there and he's really fought to kind of be like, no, I am a Barcelona player. Yeah. I am a senior Barcelona player. And no, actually, I am a Barcelona captain and I want to stay here. And people would kick off because of the stuff that he, like not winning, you know, not winning the World Cup, not winning the Champions League or whatever.

52:33Ryan Hunn: But it's the same with Kane. I think there would be few actual arguments from players who would be like, yeah, do you know what, like, he'd be the first player

52:41Musa Okwonga: to win the Ballon d 'Or from two positions. Like, really, like, really, like, I think he, you could argue he was top 10. You can argue right now Rafinha is top 10, right wing, left wing our number nine in the world. Yeah, he could. I don't know if we've really seen, I don't know if we've seen that before. And even including Dembele, like Dembele is amazing, more of a false nine, but he's an out and out nine, Rafi. Yeah.

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53:38Ryan Hunn: Any other football things that have caught your eye? The floor is yours, Jackson. Like anything that you've loved? Anything, any beef? Have you got any beef? You don't really seem like a beefing guy. Have you got any football beef? You've dropped it in me now. No one that you're missing in the Bundesliga because you're like, next time I see you.

53:55Musa Okwonga: Yeah, who do you miss playing against? Who do you miss going up against, actually? How about that? No, I'll tell you, there'll be a few that don't miss me. That's for sure.

54:07But no, yeah, obviously there's teams and stadiums that you miss playing and some of those atmospheres and things. It's just incredible. And the Bayern games are special. especially at home like Allianz is great but like when you I feel like the home games against those teams were were the most were the most enjoyable like I don't know I feel like they got a buzz off it too which made which made which gives you a buzz like when you see the place come to your place and being like this is sick I remember we walked out against Frankfurt at home and I was captain and Robin Cock was was captain and and we just were like walking out he just looked at me and just made this face like like love that like a little bit of like like cool i was like yeah it's cool

54:56Ryan Hunn: just a but it must be like right hell's bells play and everyone's just a bit like yeah especially if it's like a good night game people get it get it yeah exactly can i can i just throw this in as

55:04Musa Okwonga: well because you know when messi did his retirement video right it was the first time i realized i don't know if you've seen him it was the first time i realized that messi actually loved the whole mercy mercy because he put it in and i was like oh like he never really gave the intention he got off on that right that it was a thing yeah like what aspect of the you mentioned maybe in passing a couple of places which away grounds do you do you miss like the the vibes the energy i would say like the to be honest the ones i missed the most in germany like from a pure atmosphere perspective were like the some of like the second league kind of when you're going to like the real political kind of you know the difficult places like those those games were like electric like they were also a little bit scary like and football atmospheres shouldn't be tinged with fear i don't think like i don't love i don't really love that kind of it's like an old like the old film games like but it does create a different kind of energy i will say and For us on the pitch to be able to enjoy it, it is unbelievable.

56:15And it's like the noise and the kind of the feeling. Yeah, there's like real tension in the air. I do miss those games. I really do. Those ones were great. I love that. And I could feel how much they hate. I love feeling like how much like, oh, yes, like feed me your hate.

56:34Musa Okwonga: So actually, this is a bit of a nod to your time in Scotland. And I interviewed John Collins actually a few years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think he was a manager at Monaco at the time. And we talked about his time in the Champions League. And I said, look, what was the best thing for you as a footballer? Like, what was your moment? Was your thing? And he said, Oh my goodness. He said, without hesitation, he said, silencing the away crowd. Like it's like that when you, when you go away from home, sorry, when you go away from home and you score and you're just there and you just feel you're like the focal point of that hate.

57:04Musa Okwonga: And you're like, yeah. And he is, this man had an incredible career. he's done everything played against everyone but that was the thing Jackson that was his I thought as a fellow Celtic guy I thought you'd appreciate that yeah yeah I do love it I do love it but I'm also like my teammates will tell you like I there's nothing I hate more than over like I'm I'm the celebration police I'm the I'm the king of the I'm the king I'm D.I.O. oh my god like when we go away from home and one of our players are standing in front of their fans and he's giving it this and that. I'm the one who comes and grabs me.

57:41Get over here, get back in. You can celebrate when the game's over.

57:48Ryan Hunn: That's so funny, dude. I hate it because I just always have the feeling this will come back to buy us. I said celebrate when the game's done. That's so funny. That's so funny, man. It's funny. That's my role. Big transfer news, obviously, with you and Jamila. You announced a new arrival on the way. Yes. first of all congratulations officially because amazing news man we're really happy for you both yeah um how how are you how are you looking forward to dad life oh my god i'm like you know like i think i'm starting to realize like every you know every parent says the same thing like that you can't explain it until you experience it and all all of these kinds of things but like i I can't even like process like actually what is happening.

58:35Like I can't like in the actual, the full range of everything is just like for me, so incomprehensible. I just, yeah, it's, and that gives me the fear that I was like, oh my God, if I can't even handle like the, how am I going to be, yeah, the prospect, how am I going to be equipped to deal with this? But I'm like, people have been doing this forever. Like we'll be, we'll be fine.

58:56Ryan Hunn: It's like, it's like taking a penalty in a World Cup. Yeah, you just, you know, deal with it. Deal with it when the time comes. No, I'm also super excited. I really am. But I'm fascinated how it's going to intersect with, you know, every other part of our life, to be honest. Like, I think it's, yeah, I think that's probably the bar I'm most excited for and obviously nervous about and everything, especially with football, you know. Like this has been, it's something that it's going to change a dynamic for me within my career as well. And I'm interested to see how I'm going to deal with that and how it's going to, you know, because I've seen players go from full ranges.

59:37I've seen guys that have grown and, you know, start to play with this new confidence and energy and freedom after they, you know, go experience, you know, fatherhood or becoming a parent. and then I've seen it the other way which is they gain such a level of perspective where it's like well football is not that important anyway and it you know and it doesn't necessarily make you a worst player but it changes your approach and your mentality to the actual game itself so I'm fascinated to see how that's going to work with me um oh dude your form is going to drop off a cliff

1:00:10Musa Okwonga: like for the first few weeks all I would say is I'd be nervous if you weren't nervous you know I mean I think you need that anticipation I mean I was once um not to boy with it all of the personal life but um i was once i had like a dream once about like i don't have kids and it's it's not not in my future but i remember i had a dream once about like having a kid and i woke up my first thought was oh my god what am i going to feed the baby like what am i gonna i was panicking i was panicking like over a child i didn't have about like is there is there food but i think i think a healthy amount of anticipation is is yeah exactly and jamila keeps saying to me the fact that I'm nervous is a good start because it means you at least care a little bit about how you're going to do it.

1:00:53Ryan Hunn: How's she doing with it all? I think, yeah, I think, you know, of course, experiencing it all as well and, you know, she's just been, you know, two months away in America traveling around, coming to the World Cup and then a move to Japan and, like, I've put her through the ring of this pregnancy. She's probably had more of that. She's not had the most comfortable, kind of easygoing time but she's so adaptive and, I think that's, you know, she's an emergency, you know, she's a, she's a fight, she's still a firefighter and hard. I think she's got the, she's an emergency worker. She's adaptive. She's a problem solver.

1:01:28And yeah, she'll, she's doing it all very naturally.

1:01:32Ryan Hunn: Before we let you go, man, obviously stadia listeners don't just love football and neither do you. Any film or music or book recommendations that you've had recently that you're like, everyone has to check this because you've been doing the jackos tracks yeah yeah it's a new fun thing people have been getting really into it actually so i'm looking forward to doing a bit more of that so what you what have you listened to or read or watched recently that you're like everyone has to i love when you ask me that question a good moment because like i've literally just come off you know like i watched uh i watched last night i watched teenage sex and death at camp me as well apparently that's amazing right that is everybody essential viewing like i loved it if you have seen i saw the tv glow um jane shabby's film it was like incredible and i was a little bit like i rated that like i enjoyed that film so much i wasn't sure quite what to expect obviously going into into this one but like oh jillian anderson is just you know what more needs to be said like she's just incredible there's some people in the stadio social club discord who were gonna heads are gonna explode here and you shout that out because that's been chatted about in the discord for a little bit oh god i'm an x-files og as well so that's like one of my earliest memories so it's like yeah we can go down that rabbit hole another day but and hannah i'm a different who's from like from hacks who i absolutely love as well it was it's just it's absolutely superb like I loved it it's so stylish brilliant soundtrack obviously yeah it's brilliant really good watch that Teenage Jackson's out of the campaign and I also listened to the new album from a guy called Spike Fuck I don't know if you've heard of him it's Australian I'm actually not sure if it's one guy or if it's a band I've followed them for a while it's Australian it's probably one guy

1:03:27Musa Okwonga: following the name of Parlor model yeah the new album just came out on friday it's called evidence is is it yeah the new album the album's called evidence it's so it's it's yeah really really great as well so they're my

1:03:40Ryan Hunn: two records for you thank you there you go yeah nice one man uh dude great to see you always thanks so much for jumping back on my pleasure um best of luck with everything i'm sure we'll catch up soon yeah if you've remember if you've got anything any football beef that you need to get off your chest you just give us a call we'll fire up there we'll fire up the stardom i wish you'd i wish you'd want to let me like give me give me that one in advance like i would love to get out some football beef i guarantee you i have plenty of it like we can make it we can make it a bit we can make it a bit we were like you know actually you know what he's got one he's gone let's close it let's close it on beef let's close it with some beef let's close most in football across the board in all the world at the moment is any footballer like either shushing or this or like cupping the ears any kind of like what are you talking about or like stop talking about me like I was watching I was watching the other day who did it um what game was it I was watching oh it was Yalcancello that's who it was Yalcancello did it for So, mate, he scored an unbelievable half-hole from Edge of the Box Portugal and he was giving it this.

1:04:54I'm like, mate, no one's talking about you. You're playing for Barcelona, banging in, like, you just scored two of the best goals I've ever seen, like, last week. Yes, yes, it was. Yes, yes. Like. Your love, your love. What are you doing? Yeah, it's like, everything's fine, Jal. Yes. You know? I'm so glad.

1:05:19Ryan Hunn: you I'm so glad you pulled this out because one of the funniest things from last season was 17 year old Lennart Carl giving everyone the calm down celebration I was like dude you shouldn't even be up this late what are you doing oh that's so true but I think it ties into a deeper part of it all which annoyed which is my real beef which is the the joy of the joy in football like it's it's it's all about like i don't know like it's being perceived to be cool or like this like nonchalant or arrogant or like this thing it's like where's the joy i want to alan shearer celebration i want to see guys jump two hands in the sky one of my favorite things like genuine joy to score a goal like messi still has the joy sorry to jump in but anthony gordon

1:06:09Musa Okwonga: what's been amazing about him I love the thing where Gordon will set someone up or whatever and the way they point my favourite thing is when a goal scorer points at the person that gave the assist oh I love it yeah it's incredible yeah just love it love it yeah just enjoying goals together like and to be honest like with Socceroos I feel like we do it so well like I feel like every time we score a goal it's like this huge collective thing like that we all get in there and there's just like yeah it's because you've got

1:06:35Ryan Hunn: the cuffs ready in case someone gives you the big end you're too scared to go to the corner and put him in my head oh mate perfect there's been a few I think we've football beef who knew Jackson Levi was housing so much beef oh yes we got him we got him and every time every time I come on I'll have a new one for you you know what I hate this is it I've got one more in me

1:07:02Musa Okwonga: I've got one more in me oh fun alright I'll leave it there great to see you man yeah alright guys my pleasure

1:07:09Ryan Hunn: man always a pleasure yeah yeah totally great to speak to Jackson he's in great form yeah man what a guy make sure you go and check every Cerezo Osaka game that you can yes absolutely that'll do us for today I reckon we're gonna be back on Thursday with another guest and until then don't forget to check the Stadio Outros playlist on Spotify speaking of which you're playing out on Family Comfort by Deerfield anything you'd like to add Musa Gwanga nothing further all right everyone much love have a great week we'll be back with you on thursday see you then

1:07:56just to grease and clean dress yeah i think i need some time to wonder if i should really care

1:08:07Ryan Hunn: To be alone in the city's about to drive me stoned insane Just to be a part of confusion To feel all the hate and pain I love to be away from the city

1:08:23Musa Okwonga: I love to breathe simply fresh air

1:08:26Ryan Hunn: I love to have some time to wonder If I should really care Oh, but I love my family Comfort It makes you feel so good Inside Oh but I love my Family's comfort Just to know I haven't Anything to hide

1:09:22Ryan Hunn: We'll be right back.

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