The Ultimate Superhero XI, with Van Lathan and Jomi Adeniran

0:22Musa Okwonga: Hello and welcome back to the Stadia Podcast. I'm Musa Okwonga. I'm Ryan Hunn.

0:26Ryan Hunn: Ryan, how are you doing? I'm doing all right, thanks man. How are you? I am good. I'm good. It's getting chilly, isn't it? Oh my goodness. We were both thinking it. We were both thinking it. Oh my goodness.

0:37Musa Okwonga: We're wearing a roll neck indoors. I think I'm wearing two roll neck. Look, double roll neck. For those who can't, well, no one else can see it. We're wearing two roll necks indoors. Go back down.

0:46Ryan Hunn: Double down. Well, we hope everyone else is staying safe and well, wherever you are. We've got a really special one today. We've got Van Lathan and Jomi Adeneron from the Midnight Boys on The Ringer who joined us and we essentially recorded for so long we split it into two episodes. The first episode went out on Patreon last Thursday. So if you're not listening to that yet, go back and listen to it. If you're listening to this on the free feed, you can now go to patreon.com forward slash stadio and you can listen to that episode for free. It's going to be at the top. We're going to put it out as a free sampler.

1:21Ryan Hunn: And if you like what you hear, make sure you sign up. Join as a podcast member or stadio social club member. And as we mentioned on that episode, we've got the Ultimate Superhero 11, which was the reason that these two came on. It was so fun. It could have been like four hours long.

1:37Musa Okwonga: I mean, technically it almost was.

1:38Ryan Hunn: Yeah, it was, which is why we split it into two. So we've got that coming up in a little bit and we're very excited about that. But before then, a little bit of admin. Just London Live Show. Southbank Centre London Live Show. If you want to come along, tickets are on sale now. Link is in the description. And another shout for Patreon. patreon.com forward slash stadio if you want to sign up you get every episode ad free in full you can sign up as a podcast member if you just want the podcasts or you can sign up to the stadio social club if you get all the podcasts plus access to the stadio social club discord this week there is a discord hangout on saturday night which means some football but we usually talk about more non-football stuff yeah go to patreon.com forward slash stadio if you want to sign up and support stadio get ad free episodes etc etc that's all the admin So I reckon we get into it.

2:27Ryan Hunn: All right, man, but there is only one place to begin.

2:29Musa Okwonga: Oh, my God. I'm not going to guess it. I'm not going to guess it. Can you guess it? Malaga 2, Real Sociedad 5.

2:36Ryan Hunn: Yeah, it is Real Sociedad, but it's not the men's team. Oh, okay. Oh, beating. Yes. Wow. Two wins this season for Real Sociedad in Liga F. Back-to-back wins, following on from their win away at Valencia in the previous match day before the international break, they ended Barcelona's 48 game unbeaten run 2-1 at home on Saturday after going to goal down in a minute as well

2:59Musa Okwonga: that club has been at Barcelona's neck men and women's for years women and men for years it's always been at their necks yeah

3:06Ryan Hunn: it's like no what was the weather like

3:07Musa Okwonga: was it raining was it raining no it was sunny it was beautiful it was a beautiful day I do love when it's raining there's something more epic about it but still we'll take it I mean wild right huge congratulations

3:16Ryan Hunn: they're still top of the league by two points but yeah an unbelievable result you did mention Real Sociedad men. Mikel Otharbo got his first two goals of the season on the weekend in the league. He's hearing the Ballon d 'Or chat.

3:28Musa Okwonga: He doesn't care about it.

3:29Ryan Hunn: He doesn't care at all. Dude, he won the first trophy in front of fans for Real Sociedad in 40 years. He's good. He doesn't care about that stuff at all. All right, man. We're not going to do much Premier League because, I mean, what does it even mean? But, we have to shout out Diego Gomez's goal for Brighton, which came in the seventh 10th minute and was the second goal of the game.

3:54Musa Okwonga: How are you so extra you're hitting it from there that early? How do you even see the keeper off his line? Like how extra? Look at the... You know those people that turn up to a party and they're like already like on 11? But you love it. Like they come in with the right energy. You come in, you're hyped. It's like they come in and it's like everyone's on their feet. It's like that. Like you come in with this intensity. I mean, the finish is incredible. The finish is strange. I'm calling it a finish because it was driven. It wasn't like...

4:19Ryan Hunn: There's no time to really think about it either.

4:21Musa Okwonga: The moment it's struck, the keeper is doomed. And it also moves in the air as well. It's unbelievable. But there's a slice on it. It's unbelievable. Honestly, it just really is. Also, the thing about him that's amazing, and his recruitment by Brighton, who are playing astonishing football, top three in the Premier League, top two in the Premier League.

4:44Musa Okwonga: But this is the thing. for all the talk about leagues not being of the same standard and European leagues falling behind the Premier League because of the money, the quality of recruitment by Brighton is just showing how much quality there is globally. We can just bring someone in and then just being, delivering at the level. And actually, this is no comfort to Germany fans, but they'll be like, yeah, that defeat wasn't as bad as it looked. Like when you look at the parity of talent and you look at the quality that was in the Paraguay squad, like, and again, I said this a thousand times in the podcast.

5:15Musa Okwonga: That Paraguay-Germany was a long time coming in the World Cup. But Diego Gomez showing like standing on business and the Fabian Herzler hire. Well, man, it's just, oof. There was a mega wobble last year where people thought he was going to go. There was. It was a course correction, wasn't it? I mean, they all have it. Like Arteta, all these people, they all have these points where you're such a good coach, you come in and everyone starts developing countermeasures and then you've got the second wind, right? And very often you have that adjustment period and all young coaches go through it. All of them go through it and he's done it and he's looking better than ever.

5:50Musa Okwonga: Absolutely phenomenal. They might win the league, mate. Well, well, well, they might, but the only issue is the depth, right? I will say this about the Premier League, the quality of it. There was a passage of play that someone posted Ipswich were playing out against Man City like they were 3-1 down with like 10 minutes to go and the sophistication, like teams near the bottom of the league were not playing i don't care what anybody says it is another universe 25 years ago teams at the bottom of the league were not doing that they just weren't not against the press like that it's just the sophistication the technical level is off the scale i was watching very quickly like bournemouth against sunderland right evanielsen's finish this is a team that's what it's the first one of the season and you have a striker finishing with that level of quality

6:37Ryan Hunn: you know what though there was because there was a goal like that in the real sausage dad game against Barcelona that we mentioned before in Liga F. And Mbappe as well in the Real Madrid game. I think go around the keeper's back.

6:47Musa Okwonga: Yes, the finishing's changed. Look, keeper off the line. It's the two elements in common, right? The Diego Gomez goal and the Mbappe finish. Keeper's slightly advanced because everyone's good on their feet. And also, keeper's standing up, right? Because keepers are footballers now. So why do you go around the keeper? You go around the keeper because someone's coming feet first, right? And we're jumping around a little bit, but the only reason I want to mention the Mbappe goal, and I'm glad you did, is that in its own way, it's just as brilliant as the Arda Goulet finish, which is mind-blowing, by the way.

7:14Musa Okwonga: But in its own way, it's just as amazing. Two goals in this game, mind-blowing, but the first two goals were Madrid in a 4-1 win over Sevilla. But the Mbappe finish, and I can give no higher praise, it was peak Brazilian Ronaldo and it was peak Robbie Fowler. It's that good. It's absolutely... Yandiam Andi,

7:33Ryan Hunn: peak Del Piero. Oh my God. I'm so happy. Like Yandiam Andi. Do you know what? I think that that's a big problem well yeah I mean there was talk on the comms and I know we are darting around a little bit but there was even talk about how Vinicius being out for four games at the moment especially with his struggles to start the season might not be the worst thing for Real Madrid and Jose Mourinho because it just removes the option

7:56Musa Okwonga: totally agree

7:57Ryan Hunn: and the conversation and you just have to play Andy Amando totally agree and also I thought that it was the best I'd seen Real Madrid play in the league this season

8:04Musa Okwonga: so funny because I was really critical for the first 25 yeah I didn't get that well because they weren't turning it on they weren't turning it on

8:11Ryan Hunn: yeah but I think they were it's the first like it's a new configuration I think they were figuring it out a little bit I actually thought that the more struggles it wasn't really attacking wise I thought that they struggled a little bit just in midfield on the right hand side because I think Fede Valverde was just it's weird that Fede Valverde is now playing right back again

8:27Musa Okwonga: I thought they weren't running counter as well which they don't really do actually until Bellingham just took control

8:31Ryan Hunn: he was really good

8:32Musa Okwonga: it was astonishing like he was so good he's absolutely like if you look at his defensive chart right defensive chart is ridiculous and everything they did that was noteworthy went through him funny enough Mbappe despite scoring like a Panenka penalty and a spectacular finish actually was not in his very highest category like he wasn't at his absolute peak no a couple of heavy touches a couple of heavy touches but but Bellingham was the connective tissue and he's clearly just been given the responsibility to like just take control yeah And he did it. And once he did it, it was over.

9:08Ryan Hunn: Yeah. Right, just quick, before we go back to La Liga, let's just shout out a couple of other things in the Premier League. First wins of the season for Fulham. You mentioned the Bournemouth win as well, Marco Rosa's first Premier League win. We mentioned Brighton, absolutely hammering Palace. Liverpool being Brentford 2-1. Good win for Liverpool. Really good, yeah. Manchester United, do you want to mention anything to do with this game quick? It's a good point.

9:31Musa Okwonga: It's always a good point at Ellyn Road. Leeds came back strongly and then weirdly after the equaliser the game just kind of the team just nullified each other yeah yeah someone posted it in the chat it was amazing the game could be an email yeah I thought it was set for a rousing finish and just kind of petered out but you know what not the worst result after the run the United have been on actually take the point get out of there

9:52Ryan Hunn: so Man City are top of the league seven wins from seven don't know what that means

10:01Musa Okwonga: worth mentioning the context of all of this the Independent Football Regulators Report Yeah, we're going to do this probably came out and it's pretty bleak reading for 94 % of clubs in the Football League are running at a loss

10:17Ryan Hunn: while English football generated $9 billion in revenue last season

10:20Musa Okwonga: If any of you are on Grace Robertson's mating list then I advise you to check out Grace on Football check out a brilliant analysis that Grace did that she did for this report and there's also a podcast I think called Business of Football Business of Sport sorry which has got a really good breakdown of it but yeah worth checking out those two we'll be talking about it as well as things develop

10:42Ryan Hunn: Nice 2-0 win away at Everton for Chelsea in the lunchtime game on Saturday Two goals for your mate I said your mate because you just Neto You love Pedro Neto

10:51Musa Okwonga: He's amazing He's amazing He's amazing

10:53Ryan Hunn: Oh I didn't even mention Arsenal Oh yeah they got a good win They did get a good win A begrudging I think a lot of Arsenal fans were ready to complain plane. And they were just like, oh yeah, we've won the game. Oh no. I have thoughts. We've won, but at what cost? Exactly. It's a tricky place to go for Arsenal first. Anyway, let's go back to La Liga. So you mentioned Real Madrid. Real Madrid needed that win over Sevilla because Barcelona had momentarily extended their lead at the top.

11:27Musa Okwonga: Game of the weekend in the men's La Liga.

11:29Ryan Hunn: After their win against Betis on the weekend. Although, My God, man, if there was ever a dreadful, if there was a worse time for a couple of the decisions in this game to happen, then I can't remember. Because the Giovanni Lo Celso goal that got disallowed will go down as one of the all-time great goals to get disallowed. For a handball that happens still within the shirt sleeve, right? Way back in the move. I think this is an absolute terrible decision.

12:00Musa Okwonga: I agree. I think it was God poor Bettis and also didn't help the timing of the time of the yeah the timing of the goal the momentum of the game and it shifted so much it shifted so much

12:10Ryan Hunn: so good that goal as well yeah

12:12Musa Okwonga: unbelievable in a game of that quality and the stadium it would have ignited I mean the crowd was already at a level but that yeah

12:19Ryan Hunn: it was like two minutes after the Rodri goal yeah unreal unreal and it was so it was so bad that Manuel Pellegrini got booked for descent because he was he You never really see Pellegrini do that.

12:33Musa Okwonga: No, no. I saw Barcelona players looking slightly sheepish, like apologetic, like, bad decision, bad decision. And trying to kind of be like, hey, look, just kind of keep the peace. But it was awful. I thought, awful's harsh, but I don't often talk about it strongly, but it felt like an injustice, considering it was in the context of everything.

12:56Ryan Hunn: Just some great hands-on-head moments in this game as well. where Laminio Maal's goal...

13:01Musa Okwonga: Gabriel Jesus cannot believe what he's working on.

13:03Ryan Hunn: Laminio Maal... Gabriel Jesus was just like, what the hell?

13:07Musa Okwonga: It reminded me of the Fabregas hands on heads when Messi scores against Athletic Club. Similar thing where he's just like, oh, Gudjonsson as well, where we're just like, what the hell are we seeing? And actually the comparison with Messi, everyone talks about them in the same breath. And look, I'm not saying that Laminio Maal would be better than, of course not. The longevity, 20 odd years at the top. And also, and I said this before we started recording, Messi's called a hat-trick against Real Madrid in a Classico, like at 19, to save the game. Like, this is the level he was operating at. I've had 10 players as well.

13:41Musa Okwonga: They'd added 10 players, Barcelona. So even more remarkable, that was in 07. But it's not ridiculous to talk about Luminium Arl at 19 and Messi at 19 in the same universe. And that's as far as the compensation should go, really, because ultimately just enjoy the football while they're here. The amazing thing about the Luminium Arl goal, and I was talking to you and our dear friend Stephen Camden about this before is that the defender legitimately has no chance like to roll his foot over the ball and chop back inside there's no point at which the defender can actually make a tackle and win anything and that shooting range there's some early footage from Luminium Mild if you go back to like his early footage it's like early teens where he's scoring from like that kind of distance and releasing astonishing power and you're like he's not even big it's all technique like how did he generate power he's not a big dude right but i think physically he's obviously extremely strong he's stronger than we see but the power to generate that power and dip from and it just seems i think the reason players are shocked is because

14:43Ryan Hunn: it feels automatic from jamal at this point it was a bit too easy he's scoring like world-class goals

14:49Musa Okwonga: for spain for for barcelona the assists and he's just he's in i mean i i know people hate that phrase the flow state because it sounds a bit like hackneyed but he's letting the game come to him and the reason I mention this is because before we move on from Mimini Mal there was that period at the start of last season where he felt like he was forcing it. He had a load of shots, not many were going in, not many were on target and now he's just He's maturing. He is in his groove, yeah, yeah, yeah.

15:17Ryan Hunn: I mean he's still a very, very, very young man.

15:19Musa Okwonga: He's maturing and he's 19 in July.

15:22Ryan Hunn: Just a quick shout, Esteban Le Paul in France got a hat-trick of penalty for Rennes, but was undone by a 97th minute Sineoko penalty for Paris FC in a 4-3 win in Ligue 1. You know what? 4-3s and penalties this weekend. Elversburg. Elversburg? Cooking! Elversburg beat Elversburg 4-3. And there were so many penalties in this game that I can't remember which ones. There was one... Elversburg had two penalties. One was saved at the very, very beginning of the game and then one hit the bar at the very very end of the game Augsburg scored too they had an amazing

16:00Musa Okwonga: start Augsburg they're amazing and they're really good

16:05Ryan Hunn: yeah they're just really good yeah we're not going to talk much about the Bundesliga but Bayern went back top this weekend because Freiburg lost to Bayer Leverkusen first defeat yeah first defeat of the season Bayern beat Leipzig 6-1 they usually hammer like Leipzig have got a terrible for a side that was actually at points pushing for you know quote unquote title races and consistently getting in the Champions League their record against Bayern is dreadful and Dortmund's second draw in a row but a very very good point for Union at home following on from their win last week against Elversberg actually the one of only two defeats that Elversberg have had this season they lost to Union and they lost to Bayern Gladbach lost again they've lost every single game do you want to shout out anything Serie A

16:49Musa Okwonga: yes I would a good good comeback win for Inter over Bologna and Lazio with a very strong 3-0 away to Juventus. Juventus, not the force of old, but still impressive to get those points on the board. Atalanta failing to come back against Milan at home. Milan getting a 3-2 win. Pretty exciting game, that. Unbeaten. Yep. Ruben Amarim is having a much happier time over there. Near the Alps than in the shadow of the Alps. Well, shadow is a bit generous because it's about an hour, but still. But yes, Serie A is absolutely cooking. But most of all in Serie A, Venezia, a 1-0 win over Napoli. First win of the season.

17:27Musa Okwonga: Their first win. Yeah, absolutely massive. Kevin De Bruyne missing from the spot. So yeah, huge, huge story there.

17:37Ryan Hunn: Wild. Yeah, that was massive for them. Napoli, I don't think Allegri's going to be hanging around long.

17:43Musa Okwonga: We weren't sure about the fit from the start.

17:45Ryan Hunn: All right. Is there any other football you want to shout out or shall we move on to our chat?

17:49Musa Okwonga: That is all the football for me.

17:51Ryan Hunn: Yes. Okay. Alright, so we're welcoming back to the show because this is the second part of a recording that we did. First part of the recording on the previous show, which you can listen to on Patreon. We're going to welcome back Van Lathan and Jomie Adeneron from The Ringers Midnight Boys. We're already in conversation when we pick it up here, so we're going to pick it up just as we begin to pick our Superhero 11. So, guys. Alright, Superheroes, let's go. Right, let's do Superheroes. So let's set this up a little bit. A few years ago, pandemic stadio, about a few months before we joined the ringer, I think.

18:24Ryan Hunn: We did two episodes. The Ultimate Superhero 11 and the Ultimate Supervillain 11. But we took actual footballers, past, present, and we split them into which ones we think were superheroes, which ones we thought were supervillains, made a team. What we've never actually done is use actual superheroes or supervillains and put them in a formation. and this is where it's perfect because you three are way more versed in I check stuff but I'm not as much of an expert as you three in that world right so I'm here to help with the you know maybe the attributes that you want from each person in that position if you need anything I have a question what formation are we using because I

19:10Musa Okwonga: have got thoughts I've got thoughts

19:12Ryan Hunn: so Moose what formation do you reckon we do 433 I use the 433

19:15Musa Okwonga: three.

19:16Ryan Hunn: Perfect. So we have one goalkeeper, Van, four defenders, three midfielders, three attackers. They will have different, different attributes. But maybe if you guys have got picks already, then maybe Van can, that can help Van. I've got my 11. Yeah. I've got my 11.

19:34Musa Okwonga: I think it's pretty wild. I think it's pretty wild.

19:36Ryan Hunn: Start our goalkeeper. So basically what we usually do when we do 11s is we all have our picks and then we decide the consensus, who's going in there. Right. So, who wants to go first?

19:48Musa Okwonga: I'm happy to jump in. The goalkeeper. I mean, it's obvious, the goalkeeper. I'm asking you to guess it. It's obvious. Who do you think I put in goal? It's just obvious, isn't it? It's Spider-Man. Spider-Man in goal. Interesting. You have to put Spider-Man in goal. The anticipation of danger, the ability to get down across all angles, gives the best post-match interviews, just vibey as hell. You need a goalkeeper that's a bit chaotic, right? You need a sense of jeopardy. That's the guy. You wouldn't go with Mr. Fantastic? No, not at all. Not at all. Not at all. I want this to be, and it's also the style of play they want this team to have.

20:25Musa Okwonga: Okay. It's going to be possession football, counter-attack. I want this team to be like almost Victor Valdez, edge of the box, great with distribution, start, build up play. Like, you know, Peter Parker could play in an attacking role because he could get up the field because technically he's so strong. Okay. I just think he would just give great interviews as well. I mean, just, you need the goalkeeper it a bit chaotic and I think Peter Parker does it best. The reason why I agree with this, I wouldn't have thought about this because you think of the goalkeeper as not to me a headline guy, which Spider-Man always is, but the reason why this makes sense is for two reasons.

20:59Number one, Spider-Man, the Spidey sense just cannot be discounted here. This is the Spidey sense. And then number two, Spider-Man is a saves hero. He's a saves hero. He's a hero. There's a lot of saves. They're heroes. Superman is a saves hero too, but they're heroes that are that are mission heroes and beating villain heroes. And then there are the guys who are saves heroes. They're attackers and savers. Spider-Man is a saver. Spider-Man is I grab you. I swing away with you. I come and get you out of danger. Come to claim the cross. Yeah. Think about the things, the iconic Spider-Man things.

21:42Spider-Man stopping the train. Spider-Man trying to hold it.

21:45Musa Okwonga: Spider-Man, he's a saves hero. He's a saver. Deeply territorial as well. The only other goalkeeper I would have put in would have been Daredevil, actually. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. Yeah, I see it. I see it. So we all decided Spider-Man's going to goal. Yeah, I think Spider-Man's great. That's like outside the box pick, but I love it. I love it.

22:03Ryan Hunn: So are we going right back first? So this is one of the defenders, but you want them to kind of be good going forward as well. I'm excited about this.

22:10Musa Okwonga: I've got the air going. I'm very excited about this.

22:13Ryan Hunn: Maybe someone who bit of speed, ideally, but is pretty steady. Pretty steady as well. And you need somebody steady, and you want somebody intelligent back there, right? For me, you know, talked about my love for Germany, Philipp Lahm, right? A steady player, somebody who's going to hold it down back there, can get forward. I've got Tony Stark. I got Iron Man as my right back. Interesting. Interesting. That's fascinating.

22:39Musa Okwonga: It's so interesting because I had him as my left. I had him as my left back. My left back Okay No no Okay Your left back I had him as a fullback For the same reason you put him there But I had Thor As my right back Thor is the guy I have Thor as my center back Thor's my right back Oh my center backs are unstoppable Okay We'll get to

23:00Ryan Hunn: I haven't seen Moose This dialed for I gotta let you guys know That like You have to have Iron Man In an attack capacity You don't You don't actually Dude, what did Iron Man say? I have a plan of attack. What's the plan? Attack, yes. But you're right back. You want that overlap. But you don't want Iron Man in any capacity where he has, what did they say? Iron Man said, what did he say to him? He said, Captain America says to Iron Man, he says, you're not the kind of guy to make the sacrifice play to lay down on the wire so your guy can go over it. And Iron Man says, I would just cut the wire because Iron Man's Iron Man's brain is he's in the front of his brain the entire time.

23:50He is not going to be good. But as a defender, like he's not going to be. That's not the way he works. This is crazy. Respect my goat. First of all. OK, I don't know if you watch the movies, but at the end of Avengers, he flies into space to save the world, to take them to take the nuke and put it in the hole. and in front of me he went to Titan and faced Thanos mano e mano but even when he did that though like because I know what I know Musa's about to say that he wanted a suit armor around the world there it is there it is I knew that he was going to say that I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in when he went when he went to go fight Thanos on Titan that was an attack because he was on the plant he was on the ship you were speaking my language he was on the ship he was on the ship and he goes they go he could have gone back to Earth to defend the Earth but he looks at Strange and he goes or whoever it was Spider-Man I can't remember who was with him he's like we're not going there where are we going?

24:51It's strange we're going it's strange like we're not going back to defend the Earth we're going to attack Thanos on Titan that's Iron Man's mentality

25:00Musa Okwonga: I don't mind but I don't mind my right back getting up there though which is why Iron Man is Javier Zanetti supreme defender defended all defended everything he was a he's a two way player that is why Ironman is a fullback right because Ironman's most dangerous attacks right are launched from deep from deep

25:20Ryan Hunn: from deep as an Arsenal fan you will learn that Ricciardo Califuri who's the left back is one of the most cavalier attack keys to the attack of just all of a sudden it's like oh is that Califuri that's Califuri he's the furthest man forward why is Califuri the furthest man forward it's

25:35Musa Okwonga: you know No, you're completely, here's the thing, Van, I completely agree. I think that he is, Iron Man is Derek Jeter, right? Supreme defender and can also hit you those like home runs when you need them. And this is the thing. I completely agree with the attacking thing. You're completely right. I also think the thing about a fullback that makes him so dangerous in the modern game, they have all the attacking capabilities, but the most dangerous Tony Stark attacks come when he's like attacking from long range, like from far out to close in. So he's not your kind of bare knuckle fighter. he's not getting in the mix up he's like a hulk right hulk is like full-on attack close-up in your face screaming tony stark is like strategical pick you off from sometimes a different century like he's got the overview in the corner and what i love about the fullback and again we're just this is we're arguing nuances here but the reason i want tony stark back there first of all the attacking lineup that we have is terrifying but notice how notice how actually with tony stark right he does attack but it's often he's most effective at the end when everyone else has had a punch right so what does a fullback do they arrive at the end right when everyone else is like weakened the defense start comes in and it's like bang so the fullback then is the late it's the late arrival which is why i put him there so i do want to say one thing about who i who my center back is okay my best defender is easy jomi knows what i'm talking about shout out to musa shout out to jomi he comes from the continent he is all about defense he is only defense.

27:03He is so about defense that he is only about defense. His entire life is based around defending one place. His whole thing, everything about him is defending one place, Black Panther. That's the whole thing. The only way to get Black Panther legitimately out of bed, his entire thing is about defending Wakanda, defending his secrets, defending his future, defending its legitimacy, all of it. You have to make him, when that ball crosses back there, the one guy that you know, his entire life is about giving, what did he say to Captain America? Give this man a shield. He is there when you need defense, when you need someone to -

27:58Musa Okwonga: An America shield. That is how defensive he is. That's how defensive he is.

28:02Ryan Hunn: Black Panther is nailed on for centre-back. That's mind-blowing. That's mind-blowing. He bombay! He bombay! He's like, because when the full-backs are in position... He's that kind of centre-back that's not going to make any silly challenges and get red cards and make those kind of mistakes. No, no, no. You know, like he might pick up a tactical yellow here and there, but every tackle is going to be sublime. Even if he's got a slide for it, he's going to get that stop. Right? That's actually...

28:28Musa Okwonga: unstoppable that's incredible that's incredible that's great did we lock in iron man at right back i i guess i'm i'm taking i'll take that i'll take that i'll take that because i've got we've got black panther one of the center backs my other center back um is gene gray as phoenix as phoenix the anticipation the anticipation no no no no no the coverage no no no i'm here i'm here because like i said if black panther is the cool calm collector center back that's not gonna make it let's not gonna get any red cards to make mistakes you might have to

29:10Musa Okwonga: yeah so gene gray phoenix is the first yeah the first that's billy costa curta for ace in the land that's carlos puyol the first challenge they're gonna make some mistakes of course but that's what I want I want someone to snuff out the early danger Sergio Ramos definitely that's my Sergio Ramos thank you you see the vision yeah Jean Grey is Phoenix and Black Panther behind sweeping up I think that's terrifying because you look at it and you're thinking I'm not going to enjoy that in any capacity balance balance defense balance so does that make sense are we looking at that any other suggestions

29:41Ryan Hunn: or shout outs potentially for that position no I think that centre back pairing works perfectly you have the cool you got the calm you got the collected you have the hot head back there willing to sacrifice really sacrifice with a badge

29:54Musa Okwonga: Interstellar Fury Jean Grey is like interstellar levels of Fury as the Phoenix here. Yeah, yeah, intergalactic So left back

30:02Ryan Hunn: Left back. So someone here, similar traits to the right back. So similar but or someone who's maybe a little more solid or a little more cavalier. I went with cavalier. I went with speed There's nobody faster than the Flash I want someone who could go up and down. Runs from deep runs from deep can overlap with my winger on the left and also cover up mistakes god forbid a ball gets passed you know and you need somebody to catch up and make a play the flash is the best option I love it

30:33Musa Okwonga: you need to have one super fast I love that I love that you gotta have one you gotta have one that's exceptional it's exceptional

30:39Ryan Hunn: any other suggestions or are we all going this is Van what are you saying see here's the deal though this is the thing when I was thinking about this because I'm looking back at my notes you could put flash anywhere so he completely works here like Flash would be like perfect I think when I was thinking about this I also think about disposition he has the this is essentially what the Justice League kind of uses him for like they use he's deployed in this way like Flash put out fires save people go get people cover a lot of ground this is essentially what the Justice League uses him for I have no problem with that his heat map would be memed You could put one player with the back.

31:21Musa Okwonga: Ryan, you could put Flash in possession. You could put Flash as the one sweeping, like Arturo Vidal for Bayern Munich back in the day under Pep. And then Black Panther could join the attack. Yes. Yes. That's perfect. So who have we got as the number six? Who's the defensive midfielder?

31:41Ryan Hunn: So we've got like a more defensive midfielder or holding midfielder. Someone who's like a bit metronomic, steady at the base of midfield. to someone like Rodri. Rodri is this archetype for Spain. A perfect example of this kind of player. Maybe you might think, what do they do? But they never seem to be in a hurry. Sort of overshadowed? Yeah, but if you ask any of the other people in this team, ask any of the superheroes who's first on the team sheet, they pick this person. Even though maybe it's not the flashiest person. And they are in the middle. so like they have to they have to be aware of not only what they're doing and where they are but where pretty much everyone else is on the football pitch

32:25Musa Okwonga: it's Professor Xavier whoa wait a minute whoa okay okay no no wow at the six that's the six at the six yeah yeah okay floating about aware of where everybody is at not just technically tactically but spiritually locked in how are you feeling oh i sense some slight fatigue in the left back position it's okay flash tuck in reorganize how's he got to speak in a stadium which is a hundred thousand fans screaming for your death and no one can hear a word and he just it's just thought he's telepathic communication incredible the ability to strategize all levels to plot the only thing is he can't be not noticed he's xavier he's the strongest mind in the world everybody's gonna he's gonna be the guy that they want to take out first.

33:18Notice,

33:18Musa Okwonga: but then is he really, if you think about noticed, right? In the movies, in the whatever, he does fade into the background, actually, funnily enough. He's this fixed point. He's in his cerebro. And the thing I like about him is you can't get to him. You can't really get to him. He's there. You're thinking Busquets. You can't get to him. You can't get to him. You can't get to him. Think how hard he is to kill. Think how hard he is to kill. They had to send sentinels through time to kill this man. through time. So my thought process was if I'm going to have a six to your point, right? Somebody who knows everybody's strengths and weaknesses is going to put them in position and to stand in front of that, that backs that back for, it was going to have to be one and only Bruce Wayne.

34:04It's going to have to be Batman back. See, I went different. Do you know who I went with in this situation with that description? It's going to be a guy you guys are not going to fuck with, but I went with Nightwing. I went with Dick Grayson because... But let me tell you why. A glue guy type that everybody looks up to. Think about... Love it. A glue guy type that everybody looks up to. Think about what happened when, what's his name, killed Nightwing. What was it in the... Damien. Think about an injustice. like everybody looks up to Nightwing. Nightwing is the guy that everybody, he is almost Batman in skill, but surpassing Batman in trustworthiness and humanity.

34:57He is the guy, based upon the description that Ron went with, like that is the guy that you will want right there. If I could jump in,

35:07Ryan Hunn: I think Batman makes too many rash decisions to be first choice in that position in that.

35:12Musa Okwonga: Really?

35:13Ryan Hunn: Yeah. Batman would be easily got out with rotational fouling. There it is.

35:20Musa Okwonga: It would be very easy to drag him out of his zone. Batman gets dragged all over the place.

35:24Ryan Hunn: Yeah. In fact, he is constantly out of position, Batman. Constantly out of position. I want you guys to think about this with Batman real quick before we move on from Batman. You got to think about how you use Batman here because Batman also created detailed files, detailed files on how to defeat every member of the Justice League. He has, like, they almost kicked him out of the Justice League because they actually did kick him out for a second. Batman had detailed files of, so Batman is both an extremely powerful, capable character, but you have to let him do his own thing for a while to be successful.

36:00He's got to let him go off and be on his own. So whatever position that is on the soccer field, that's where you want Batman.

36:06Ryan Hunn: Do you know what he is? Chief Scout. He's not on the pitch.

36:11Musa Okwonga: I agree. I agree. I agree. Chief Scout's perfect. He's on the iPad. He's on the iPad. I see it. Okay. So, because I had Nightwing further up the pitch.

36:19Ryan Hunn: I like this though. So what do we think? Who's the six?

36:21Musa Okwonga: You think Nightwing's the six? I'll take Nightwing's the six.

36:24Ryan Hunn: I've got other thoughts, but I think... So Nightwing strikes me as more of the kind of like, he's more Vettinia than Rodri. Right. Yeah. Is he powerful enough to make our team? That's not my only thing I would ask you guys.

36:37Musa Okwonga: Does he need to be powerful enough? No, I think, for me, Xavier's the Busquets. It's just the brain, like the coordinator. So would you think,

36:46Ryan Hunn: because also though, Xavier's coming to the, let's say he's in the autumn of his career. I don't see why. Now everybody's in their front. Xavier maybe can't do 90 minutes. If it's 90 minutes, if we're talking about it, it's Nick Fury. Xavier's a closer. He comes off the last 20 minutes, show up the game. He's like Luka Modric.

37:05Musa Okwonga: 2015 Chavi I take it I'll take it I'll take Nightwing Nightwing as DM

37:14Ryan Hunn: number 6 I'm going to hold Xavier for the bench

37:22Musa Okwonga: the two I've got a couple here we've got to go with Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange I'm not the deep block yeah yeah yeah yeah sorcery really just finding the gaps at all points yeah that's my those are my two eights those two so we don't have a 10 no no no instead of a 10 two eight two eights either side of the six but one of them can have 10 tendencies i'm gonna be honest with you guys i'm in deep water here like it is it's this is this is what i need i need i need at least once a month on this pod so that i can deepen my i don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about it.

38:07I don't know. Because I went 6-8. Walk me through this. So explain to me what it is.

38:12Ryan Hunn: When players are referred to as numbers, a lot of the time that comes from the number that they would wear in Europe on the continent, actually. So a number six is usually in the midfield, usually the deepest, like the holding midfielder. So either the one who will screen the defense in front of defense or the one that will keep the ball moving a little bit metronomically. Usually the one that just kind of sits at PSG it's like Vettinia Spain it's like Rodri you know what I mean Arsenal this season primarily it's been so far like either Declan Rice or Myles Lewis Skelly Declan Rice yeah but Declan Rice is actually he's see I'm confusing already he's a little more all action yeah because I score a lot of goals everything yeah can do like everything right but then you have a number 8 and a number 10 so the number 8 is a little more kind of in between that metronomic screener and an attacking.

39:03Ryan Hunn: So someone who's a little bit of both. So do these guys have to, these eight and this 10, do they have to have good chemistry? Yeah. I mean, ideally, but there's a midfield, midfield has to have real chemistry with everyone around you really. So can I, can I tweak it a little bit then? Yeah, go for it. Let's leave Scarlet Witch and if they need chemistry, why don't you put Vision there? Ooh. Vision, very versatile, like Vision, very versatile, phasing, but you gotta have you gotta have Strange on a pitch somewhere though is the problem like

39:36Musa Okwonga: did they attack well the thing is did they attack well together though because he was stuck in the chamber did they actually we know they have the chemistry but you know in terms of like you see what I'm saying you see what I'm saying we see what I'm saying I don't know that we've ever really seen them be able to because you know in the movies they actually won't let them attack together because if they attack together it's probably game over it's a power problem is a power scaling problem.

40:02Ryan Hunn: The thing I love about this for Van is that Van is very much seeing the similarities of football and superhero stuff because that is a very common football conversation. Can you play both at the same time? Both amazing. Can you play them both at the same time?

40:20Musa Okwonga: I think the reason I say Witch and Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange is different types of magic. Sorcerer. just like um scarlet witch has the powers but there's also there's more sort of physical material and then he has the temporal dr strange so he controls the tempo literally of everything as scarlet which has this kind of um not more chaotic but she's natural her magic comes from actual power that emanates inside of her when he's like manipulating the ceiling of her powers is closer to a phoenix like she's more terrifying like as a as a prospect so i think actually i was anticipating maybe in games where you have a lot of possession you would have you'd push phoenix up alongside scarlet witch on the edge of the box and you would just tear everything up i think that's terrifying yeah yeah that's not like i i see the vision there and i think that makes a lot of sense for my eight i wanted some i wanted a connector right somebody who can make the pass you know whether we're playing out the back or going forward right like obviously box to box but also somebody who when they're in that they're starting a lever they're not gonna lose and when Hawkeye is in the Avengers in that 11 they don't lose okay and for me I'm thinking like he got the foot of a you know Dominic Slavisla you know what I mean when he gets that ball to the end of the box that thing like you gotta get up there that thing's going in

41:45Ryan Hunn: his highlight reel is just like banger after banger after banger after banger you guys have to think of something as well you guys have to think about the actual movies okay so there's an attack from Sanctuary on the Avengers compound in New York City, not in New York, in upstate New York, wherever it is, the fucking gauntlet falls down to the bottom of the rubble. Who shepherds the gauntlet and gets the game back to the attackers? Who is the person that grabs it and is both running from the rest of the outriders, like, Hawkeye in the tunnel. Put it in the tunnel. But he grabs it. And then he, think about what he did.

42:29He has to, in that one sequence, demonstrate elusiveness to get away from them. But then he also has to cut a lot of them up with the katana blade. Then he has to be smart enough to recognize that the nebula that comes there is not the right nebula. That is a very resourceful guy. That's the guy you want in the middle. Tactically intelligent. tactically intelligent and then he gets it back everybody back by the time

42:55Ryan Hunn: he's Griezmann he's Antoine Griezmann do you know what do you know what's interesting about that is that there is quite often the thing that you'll hear like certain players in that position will just take charge of a game imagine like you're like chasing the game you're 1-0 down the opposition defense is just sat on the edge of their 18 yard box and you can't break them down you've got to like someone needs to take control of the game and almost drag the team back into it I like this I like this and I would actually suggest playing him instead of Dr. Strange. Yep, I'll take that. Because I think Dr.

43:26Ryan Hunn: Strange coming off the bench when you're chasing the goal for the last 20 minutes is going to find the space. He's going to find the space. But I'm a bit worried about his stamina. Who, Hawkeyes? No, Strange.

43:39Musa Okwonga: Yeah, let's... Scarlet... How about Scarlet Witch and Hawkeyes, the two ace? I like that. Great chemistry. He made her an Avenger. Exactly. Wow. Exactly. Look at... He made her an Avenger. I love this so much. I love that. Do you know what's wild about this? so I actually had Hawkeye initially as my nine. Oh, yeah. I can see it though. For the finishing.

43:56Ryan Hunn: Yeah. Finishing is like a hundred. Do you know what? He's actually, he's quite Harry Kane-like. There's an argument there to be. And I just think a finisher that good, that he always made the goalkeeper work. Pings, like pings a pass across and then joins the center. Hawkeye was my nine

44:09Musa Okwonga: because always makes the goalkeeper work.

44:10Ryan Hunn: I like that, but I think we might go big guy up top. I agree. Well, let's do a recap before we do our front three and then our, who's on the bench. so we've got Spider-Man in goal Iron Man at right back Flash at left back and a centre-back pairing of Black Panther and Jean Grey's Phoenix Nightwing is playing the number six in the holding midfield role and then we've got Scarlet Witch and Hawkeye as our two eights getting that creativity in the final third trying to unlock defences bamboozle break the lines

44:51Musa Okwonga: I think the front three is I think I'm cooking with the front three I think I'm cooking

44:55Ryan Hunn: you think you're cooking in every position that's the thing that's why you do a football podcast right let's do front three so how are we doing this because we've got remember we've got speed down that left hand side with flash right so flash is gonna flash is gonna overlap so we could have someone in the left hand of the three who might be even a little more inclined to play central like a goal scorer. Someone's going to finish off the move. So we have, like, in my head, right, obviously you have a nine, right, but you need a seven and an 11, right? Basically. And, like, no pun intended, but you need, like, I need one of my wingers to be flashy, right?

45:35I need somebody who's going to take one-on-ones, hit you with the Travella, you know, hit you with the Rabona every now and then, just got the thing moving. I know he's going, I know he's going. Go for it, go for it, drop it. Okay. I'm going Kyle Rayner I'm going Kyle Rayner on my left as an artist on the left right somebody who can make things happen with the power ring you know what I mean just is going to continue to keep it flowing keep the artistry going down you know he can take one on ones we saw what he did when he put the seven rings on his finger right became the all white lantern

46:08Musa Okwonga: I like it I like it a lot I love it I don't think it I don't think it gives us what we need in that flank but I'm happy to take it. What do you got? No, no, what do you got, Musa? Yeah, because I'm wondering, like, don't you need somebody that's... I've got season two of TV series Loki. I've got Final Form Loki. I've got Final Form Loki. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I can see that. You see what I'm saying? I can see that. The mature Loki, right? It's the mature Loki that holds the world's tree together, but the one that also defeats he who remains. So he's master of the trickery. Talking 2014 Mesut Ozil.

46:46Musa Okwonga: 2014 2014 Mesut Ozil who's mastered who's mastered playmaking with Real Madrid right but whose job is to hold possession on the flank and if he has to be magical he will just take teams out right so he's not as flash as you'd expect all the time but the discipline of holding the line he allows the flash to come in right he could actually tuck in for the flash to overlap but that that final form Loki that is like it's like Real Madrid Zidane you know Zidane's there for the first six months at Zidane at Madrid doesn't really take control and then the team just reconfigures around him. So this is like, yeah, Loki is like 2000 Zinedine Zidane.

47:20Musa Okwonga: That's what I'm saying. Oh, I like that. Do you know who I was thinking of maybe? I was thinking of Star-Lord. And let me tell you why. I love it. No, I love it. I love it. I'm open to it. I'm open to it. Star-Lord, right? Star-Lord. Flashy like Jomi wants. Very flashy. At the same time, to make an attack plan, Star-Lord is a savant. He's a savant at making a plan and getting people all together on one page. If you, now he's also a savant at blowing the plan emotionally. Right. But that's kind of the thing that I was thinking, you know, if you had somebody, it's got to be a little flashy, but also has to be able to orient attack.

48:06Why not Star-Lord? Maybe he's not powerful enough, but then we got a Green Lantern out there, so.

48:10Musa Okwonga: He's not the starting 11. He's managed your locally. he's managing nobly I like Star-Lord off the bench off the bench it's a derby you know what I mean see what I'm saying things are getting scrappy alright man y 'all want to fight we can fight he can organise us but also if things get a little little hectic he can step in there and do a little shove you know we don't advocate fighting in our soccer league but you know what I'm saying things get first he does he does go

48:34Ryan Hunn: whenever it kicks off in football games the commentators always go well we never want to see this and everyone's like we always want to see this

48:43Musa Okwonga: he's mario balatelli oh my god yes his floor his floor is like is is low but his ceiling is like mind-blowing this guy defeated a celestial this guy he's half celestial but he defeated yeah but he still went head to head with one right and like yeah he did yeah again if we look if we look at invincible there are people that are half um half viltrumite and they don't defeat the viltrumites like it's not an easy thing if you're half you're half immortal if you're half eternal like so he goes his ceiling is ridiculous but I think I think he's Manu Ginobili I don't think you start a game with him in the same way that you didn't start a game with the first Euros that England won when they had Alessio Russo up front and she was more damaging off the bench because the game had to be in a chaotic state right if you put Starman into a chaotic state it's very you might get diminishing returns yeah you see what I'm saying as a starter

49:34Ryan Hunn: in German comms they usually refer to those kind of substitutions as the Joker. Joker off the bench.

49:40Musa Okwonga: Perfect. Which is quite interesting.

49:43Ryan Hunn: He could be that kind of guy. John was just going through my head though, guys, you might not remember this, but on ESPN years ago, there was a conversation about XG, which is the metric that measures the quality of a chance. So it's like the kind of, you know, a really, really good chance if you're really close in front of goal and there's no goalkeeper, there will be like 0.99 or one, right? Right. And this guy's trying to explain it to Craig Burley and he just goes, xg expected goals nerd nonsense in this really heavy Scottish accent and I was just thinking through that bit then when we were talking about Star-Lord playing left wing I was just all of a sudden I could just see Craig Burnett xc expected chaos

50:21Musa Okwonga: xc though expected chaos he's off Star-Lord off the scale and I love the fact that everyone's gone for a chaotic left wing it feels right doesn't it it feels like we're all kind of circling around Angel Di Maria of course Dejan Cevich which I've got to mention my boy drink Raphael Liao all of that we're talking about this kind of there's something about the left flank being that spot but I feel like as a starter we've got to have someone who actually is able to regulate I think we need a bit of that measure of control yeah

50:52Ryan Hunn: I think Loki is a good shout because of the flash flash at left back I think if you had a different left back or you were going on the other flank I think I think one of the other two would be but what about have we thought about Karina on the other side. I have an option for the other side.

51:09Musa Okwonga: I have thoughts on that. On the right flank. What do you get? Storm on the right flank. You talk about the high press. You don't get high press like that. You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? Imagine trying to play out from the back against that. Can you imagine? That's crazy. You imagine? So Storm, it feels like she's got to be up there, right? You see what I'm saying? She's also a very versatile attacker. She can do a great different many things. Also Iron Man approaching out of a cloud. Can you imagine? Her high up on the right flank. You set up a typhoon and then Iron Man just comes out of there with the lightning bolts and the lasers.

51:52Musa Okwonga: That's terrifying. No one's any parts of that. Yeah. And also just the sheer grandiosity of the terrifying it's going to be. storm coming in there bringing everything she could bring what i like that she had to be up there jambi's got something well no because i originally on my right i had a nightwing up there oh yeah nightwing like in my head was a seven but to your point you know the the steadiness he brings the fact that everybody wants to connect with him the fact like he's he's the backbone of our spine in the midfield so that makes that makes all the sense in the world on my right like and because I love the storm pick, but if I have an alternate, maybe somebody we can bring off the bench, I want somebody who'd be able to catch fire at any time.

52:42Oh, there it is. Just come, cut in left, bang, you know? A human torch type. Wow, okay, okay, okay. As someone like somebody who, just for like, in any game, for like 10, 15 minutes, you're watching like, is this the best soccer player, not in the world, but that I've ever seen play?

53:02Ryan Hunn: Literally. and figuratively torching their left back. Do you understand what I'm saying? So this is the left back that you guys the right wing? So we're talking about right so this is actually right wing so like the right forward spot. Right wing? Yeah, no. Not that kind of right wing. So what makes a good what makes a good what makes a good right wing? So there's various types, right? Like with many things in football it kind of depends on the system and who you have around you. so you have combinations that won't work if for example if you have a left back that likes to get down the line and attack but on the touchline you don't really want a left forward who's also taking up that channel you want someone who's going to come inside a little bit and create that space on the left so it's really funny do you know someone thrown as well van i want to

53:51Musa Okwonga: say this as well you know so obviously you know uh calvin johnson megatron right megatron yes You know, these wide, someone who stretches the field as high and wide as possible to allow everyone else to plunder. And that was the thinking behind Storm. It depends on what you want from your right winger, right? So if you want them to stretch the defense and make everyone, even in the widest areas defending, like as a nightmare to play the ball out. Because as Ryan says correctly, you can have on the right back position is someone who goes up and down. But what you see teams like even Paris Saint-Germain doing is everyone is swarming.

54:23Musa Okwonga: yeah so what i envisioned was if you have iron man and storm coming at you both of them it's kind of like a psg style it's like a total it's a nightmare like everyone's just cooking you yeah

54:35Ryan Hunn: and we want this team we've got a team full of superheroes we want them to be good with the ball and out of position yeah and those two those two are monsters yeah yeah maybe storm's the storm i don't know is there any is there another shout in there the other ones i had were off the

54:49Musa Okwonga: bench because Storm doesn't have big defeats. The problem is the other right wings like Thor, they've taken L's. They've taken big L's before. Thor also confidence player. Exactly. There it is. And he would be the first.

55:05Ryan Hunn: Needs a lot of man management. Thor has a

55:07Musa Okwonga: 10 for 35 in him for sure. He'll just keep chucking up shots. In Infinity War you had to get Thor back right. Thor's head was out of the game. He's been through a lot. Okay. But I mean, that combination of skills, man, he's overwhelming. You know, he's got different hammers in the arsenal. Wow. If Thor is going to make my team as on the, he's going to be a, it's the 85th minute. We need a second striker. to hit the ball we need a big man put in the mixer that's what I need can I say

55:41Ryan Hunn: cross everything into the box let Thor get exactly

55:43Musa Okwonga: I was going to put someone else actually up front off the bench but I can't include them because I'm not sure they're actually a hero which leads me to think that we actually do need like an we need an anti-hero 11 or a chaos at some point we need a chaos I'll allow

55:55Ryan Hunn: because Loki's Loki's very much like you know one of those players that has a redemption arc very unpopular early on in their career very popular in the latter stage of their career

56:05Musa Okwonga: I think this one this one's got too many bodies on them. This one can't, this one's not. Well,

56:09Ryan Hunn: let's hear like, so are we playing like just pure goal scoring number nine? No. I wouldn't. What are you, are you looking for a poacher or are you looking for? My nine's here to cook everyone. Well, you wait, you, Miss Okwonga. Let's hear, let's hear our guests while they're kind of bringing in first. cooking. Van, interested to see what you would imagine in this highly realistic, obviously, setup. So I have to have somebody on the pitch that has not been on the pitch yet. Right. I got to have Captain America on there, man. Interesting. Like Captain America has not been on the pitch yet and Captain America, even though he will be overwhelmed, you know, Thor once said that there's only one mortal that he would ever follow into battle.

57:07And that is Captain America. He said that he would follow Steve Rogers anywhere because those intangibles up front is, orients the rest of the team. And to me, you have to find a spot for Captain America. I wouldn't put him in the middle. He's got, he's a guy who plans it out. he's a man I would say he's a super soldier he's agile he's a leader he takes control I'd say Captain America big blue guy big blue guy he's gotta be on that field somewhere I'd say Captain America he's Harry Kane

57:45Musa Okwonga: he reminds me of he reminds me yeah he's Harry Kane totally totally I love the Captain America I love this Captain America

57:51Ryan Hunn: shout Jomie what you got I so I was like obviously you need a complete a complete person in the nine you want the best nine you can give but for our teams like for what we have on the wings and in the midfield i was like we just see somebody who can anticipate when the ball is coming where they're gonna get it and are not gonna miss regardless and i know it sounds crazy but daredevil as a nine doesn't sound bad to me that's somebody who's always gonna know where the ball is always gonna know where the goal is right doesn't need to pick their head up boom that ball's slotted in the corner anytime they to get a ball at their feet.

58:31Ryan Hunn: Only needs half a yard. Only needs half a yard. Doesn't need any... You see him in that hallway? He doesn't need a lot of space to get the job done. Receives the ball. To get the shot off. To get the shot off. Right? I love this setup so much. It's incredible. I don't think he's going to miss. Right? He gets that ball. Quick turn. Boom. You're like, yo, where did he go? He was just here. He didn't even pick his head up. It was crazy. But I like the Captain America. The Captain America pick makes a lot of sense because he could also, like Harry Kane, come down a little bit. Defend from the front.

59:07Defend from the front. Press. Come back. Hey, man, let's say we just spent like a couple minutes defending. We're in a low block. Boom. The ball's turned over. You get the ball to Steve Rogers. He's making that pass to the left. Loki's going to be there already on the run. The flash is overlapping. Like he can see it. Also.

59:26Musa Okwonga: Yeah, if you get Don for regularities, he'll defend you in court. if you get done if they say oh they assembled this super team unfairly financially he'll literally go to court and he'll defend you

59:36Ryan Hunn: get you a man who can do both he's double figures goal and assists every season for the last 10 seasons absolutely absolutely Moosa you've got that's you better come with a shout man Captain Marvel

59:53Musa Okwonga: Captain Marvel is my nine Jomie defensively defensively literally defending thousands of other worlds when the Avengers are like where have you been they're like yeah there's thousands of planets up there and they don't have the Avengers so the first thing she talks about is defense it's the first thing she talks about having cooked everything what does she do the first time she attacks in the big movie she eats the sanctuary by herself she's so terrifying takes it down all the guns all the guns stop go up and the guy literally says something has entered the upper atmosphere effectively she's the closest thing in the superhero world to Brazilian Ronaldo.

1:00:31Musa Okwonga: Like, is a threat. Wow. Yeah. She's the closest. She's R9. She's the phenomenon. Wow. That's a big shout. Do you think

1:00:42Ryan Hunn: Captain Marvel has ever been compared to Ronaldo before on a podcast?

1:00:48Musa Okwonga: Do you think that's... Can you imagine someone listening going, yeah, they cooked. Someone cooked. Someone somewhere has just gone, did you hear that? Did you hear that? This podcast was made for us. some alien some of us like Craig Burley's doing his nerd nonsense shout again some of us these are our people but do you know you see what I mean in terms of the skill set defensively wild movement the press is ridiculous yeah

1:01:09Ryan Hunn: big big big change of pace which is handy man that's three that's three incredible man I felt how many ops have I got it's too many options yeah too many options it's too many options too many options I mean like I mean that's part of that's such a brutal lyric my god that's so amazing I'm gonna pass on this body I'm John Stockton can you imagine how many rappers went to the word options

1:01:33Musa Okwonga: and never thought of the word ops can you imagine how many rappers were like my god he did it again it was right there I'm about to pass on this body I'm John Stockton man that's just just I mean so what do we like ultimately like what do we want our profile of Stryker to be like this is it this is it this is really do we want you know do we want complete do we want a poacher do we want somebody who's good in the box like i think if we're thinking like complete striker Captain Marvel's probably the best option. And then Captain America as somebody who can, you know, obviously do like go do go both ways in terms of.

1:02:14Do you know what my front three is?

1:02:17Musa Okwonga: Can I just pitch it to you? My front three because it's a combination. It's basically Loki is the world's tree. Captain Marvel is you see the flame. You see the kind of the galactic flames and you see storm is earth, wind and fire.

1:02:31This is Bailey.

1:02:40That's a pretty cohesive front three, man.

1:02:43Ryan Hunn: Would that be their nickname? You know how like when Suarez, Neymar, and Messi were at Barcelona and everyone called them the MSN? MSN, yeah. And would that be the nickname Earth, Wind & Fire for the front three? Earth, Wind & Fire is hilarious. Has there not been a soccer team that's had Earth, Wind & Fire as the nickname to their front three? That would be dope. we haven't seen it America would have it if we had three cold but we're not cold enough do you think whoa whoa whoa respect Tim Weyer Pulisic and Gio Reyna okay respect my guys poor Gio Reyna honestly Team USA

1:03:23Musa Okwonga: Team USA definitely had Earth, Wind and Fire

1:03:25Ryan Hunn: Gio Reyna when he came through at Dortmund he was the most exciting men's American player I've seen his ceiling was ridiculous I agree really I agree I guess that makes a lot of sense

1:03:34Musa Okwonga: he was unbelievable well what happened to him?

1:03:36Ryan Hunn: development it was right a couple of injuries as well this guy's 23 I know it's over? no it's not over but it's like you know when it's it's development

1:03:44Musa Okwonga: you know how it is Van you know how there's some players at their stage of development their crucial stage they just need to keep getting reps right you look at Kamingo for example like if Kamingo was in a team does that make sense? if he got more minutes was more in the rotation just getting more touches he'd figure out a game something he does really well yeah the thing about Reina that's insane is you guys are saying all of this, right? And you're 100 % correct. But he puts on that USA jersey. And they're like, cool. The fans are like, we want you for 90 minutes. Let's go crazy. You are like a top two, three player.

1:04:18And that doesn't happen anywhere else in the world, really, except for elder statesmen, right? For a guy this young who doesn't get this many minutes for his club team. And we're like, all right, man, put that thing on. I mean, you feel like I'm not a Greg Berhalter defender. I don't want to sit here and came for the man. He was not a great coach. He did beat Mexico three times in the same year. Never happened before. But he understood, like, yo, you can't, this guy doesn't get minutes for his team. We can't just run him out here and think he's Kobe and going to save our skins. I think even Pochettino understands that a little bit.

1:04:51But for whatever reason, the fans, like, they've latched onto the Gio Reyna that was 19 and don't understand that injuries and no play time. He's not just going to show up. He has moments of magic. That goal he scored in the first game of the tournament to make it 4-0. That was crazy. We love that stuff. But that's not a day-to-day. He's not going to give you that every single time he puts on the jersey. It's not just a player he is anymore.

1:05:18Musa Okwonga: Yeah, do you know what? You can be haunted by who you are, though. How many people, how many great novelists are haunted by their breakout novel? Yeah. That was an amazing... How many rappers haunted by their debut album? You know, you never get back there. Van, can I throw this at you? Quest, I've talked about how Thriller, basically, it was like, for Michael Jackson, it was devastating because the metrics of it was so ridiculous that then it made it about metrics and about a different thing. And I think, yeah, just being haunted by what you've done and who you were. And no one's more haunted by that than I think someone like Arena, especially when players lose a bit of speed, lose a bit of acceleration.

1:05:53Musa Okwonga: Mario Gertzer, Jeremy, good example. losing that explosive acceleration obviously he had like health issues that were nothing to do with him none of his fault but that sense of that was me at 22 now I'm like 27, 28 and I can't get a game for whoever it's hard man it's really hard

1:06:12Ryan Hunn: well I mean picking up the vibe again you guys want to talk about Freddie Adu

1:06:22I'll tell you what though if we want to make it lighter Kevin Sullivan the Philadelphia Union he's going crazy over here

1:06:30Musa Okwonga: they produce amazing players the Union they do Aronson as well they I love what they're doing over there whatever they're cooking this guy's only 17 years old I know too much hype

1:06:40Ryan Hunn: too much hype too much hype speaking of too much hype this 11 is going to do damage so

1:06:45Musa Okwonga: who should we have as the 9 who's the 9 I'm happy with whoever I think I think Captain Marvel is a good 9 I think Captain Marvel powerful strong can shoot from anywhere all over the pitch because if you if you miss I tell you what also Captain America has got the humility to come off the bench like you'll never hear a complaint about it you'll never hear a complaint

1:07:06Ryan Hunn: very experienced been around a long time well so but who's our who's our captain I just I just think that your team is losing something if you don't find this is what people do I agree they underestimate Steve Rogers think your team is missing something if you don't by the way can I just say something can I say some notable people that are not on Wolverine didn't make this team no we've got a bench we've got a whole bench we've got a bench we've got a bench

1:07:30Musa Okwonga: also Van Wolverine Wolverine duck smoke he duck smoke he thank you where's the lie where's the lie where's the lie Wolverine Wolverine will be there he might not win but he'll be there

1:07:42Ryan Hunn: right at the 11 that we have it's done and then we can get to our bench and we need a coach we need a head coach as well

1:07:49Musa Okwonga: okay oh okay so we've got

1:07:51Ryan Hunn: Spider-Man and Goal a back four of Iron Man Black Panther Jean Grey as Phoenix Flash a midfield three of Nightwing in the holding role Scarlet Witch and Hawkeye as the two eights Loki on the left Captain Marvel through the middle Storm on the right Earthman and Fire and so far on the bench we've got I'm wondering if this person is going to stay on the bench or maybe be the coach Professor X Vision Doctor Strange Star Lord Kyle Rayner Human Torch Captain America Thor that's our bench so far

1:08:28Musa Okwonga: put Pres Xavier in that same suit as Zizou get him to say Taylor and he'll cook both bald-headed goats there's something there's something about a bald there's something about a bald managerial genius I was going to call

1:08:39Ryan Hunn: Xavier a bald fraud

1:08:42Musa Okwonga: if they do he'll know about it he'll know about it Kerm might call him a bald fraud but I think on the football pitch I mean to Moose's point though links the team up he won't even talk on the sideline. He won't even talk. It all should be right here. He can just, it's all in the head. He can communicate with them.

1:09:00Ryan Hunn: Great and hostile away games.

1:09:02Musa Okwonga: Here's a take for a coach. You're rejected, but here's a take for a coach. Okay, let's see. Luthan Rail. Nah. Luthan Rail. Nah, man. Because, no, no, no. I see, no, no, no. Fans got the like,

1:09:14Ryan Hunn: I'm interested face. I am interested. You see, you see, you see. This is the wrong team. This is the wrong team, but you see the vision. You see the vision. I see the vision, but this team has too many winners. This team has too many hitters, right? You need Luthan. You're scrapping for relegation, man. Like, you are dead to rights, man. You need 12 points in like six games and your team is looking terrible. And Luthan comes in, he's like, I'm ready to die for this badge. I think you're looking at it wrong. I think what could Luthan be if he had all of the resources? See, what you're saying is he's only good when he's got to give those speeches to agents like one-on-one and like he never but what if luthan with that same cunning that same shrewdness the ability to read people to deploy people in different sort of uh roles what if he had it all what if luthan worked for the empire the rebels would be finished you know i'm saying i have a thing about luthan rise rise come in rise coming in sporting director yeah unbelievable network great recruitment yes

1:10:29Musa Okwonga: keeps it low key no one no leaks no one knows who he is no leaks nothing incredible no no luther rail is a sporting director blowing my mind if you leak you die he'll get you blowing my

1:10:44Ryan Hunn: luther rail is a sporting director the most unbelievable scouting network you've ever seen yeah just find people for out of nowhere pluck them out of the dirt this is incredible manager no love for like nick fury in this situation absolutely nick fury is my manager he's my

1:10:59Musa Okwonga: manager but i was throwing luthan railing because i wanted to have that conversation yeah nick fury is my manager nick fury is actually yeah nick's my guy you know the the spy network like what kind of we talked about spygate off you know off mic man you already know he's out there using drones to film practices. The bill will come due in about a couple years. You've won all the chips. You've won all the trophies. He's gone retired. And then you're going to get a call from the FAA like, hey man, we got some news about your coach and he was cheating. You know what I'm saying? You're looking at this wrong.

1:11:39Think about what he was able to do with the Avengers to get them to work as a team. He knew the individual personalities of every single hero. And then he was able to deploy them in a way, sometimes using things that didn't really happen. He will lie. But at the same time, he was able to get all of those super powerful people to act on the same accord, even when they had reasons to distrust each other. And that's what you would need to me for like a team with all kinds of people that, I mean, Xavier don't need that. Xavier just goes, do what I say. right but like for somebody that if if you can't use psychic powers i feel like fury would be

1:12:19Musa Okwonga: perfect man you have to manage personalities thing i like about the the nick fury shout these players need agency right xavier mind control these players could ultimately touch themselves you need more of ancelotti type touch you need like you need like a top you need this area you need like a tired nick fury like a secret like a secret invasion nick fury someone who's a bit more tired and just like do you know what do you know what kids just go and like i'll just be here if you need me. There's an argument for, and I don't advocate it because I don't think he has the gravitas yet, but there's Professor Hulk could grow into it, but he's not ready for it.

1:12:53Musa Okwonga: He could grow into it. Professor Hulk could grow into it, I think. But we haven't seen him run a big team yet. That's my head of analytics. No, who did we have?

1:13:03Ryan Hunn: Who was the scouting? Who was our, is Batman? Oh, we had Batman as a chief scout.

1:13:08Musa Okwonga: I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, he wouldn't take the job because he doesn't take any job, but I'd rather have the watcher as the scout, actually. Oh. He's seen everything. And also, also the watcher in the what if season, he gets active. Who are two? He gets involved. Musa, that's one of the funniest scenes. Like, that's one of the funniest scenes. The watcher's like, yo, can he see me?

1:13:36Musa Okwonga: He was scared. He was like, he was like, wait a minute now. He was like, wait a minute. can he wait I'm gonna go I'm gonna watch that after we get off the thing he's like yo can he see me I'm like bro what the hell going on are we sponsored by Wayne Enterprises no no we can't take that money we can't take Bruce Wayne's money I die you can't you can't take Bruce Wayne's money but hold on I won't let you guys know if we talking about companies in comics it's not very many companies that we could choose from we got Roxxon we got we got I mean, Wayne Enterprises might be the best you could do. Start.

1:14:18Like, you could do Start, but they got a long history building weapons. No, Start. It's not audited. Start industries. You know, it's not a lot of companies that's out there for the picking. Almost Hammer. Justin Hammer? You going to Hammer Tech? Nah. Is that, that's like PIM? No, no, no. Maybe PIM Technologies. Maybe PIM Technologies you could do.

1:14:36Ryan Hunn: I think we go Sponsorless. Lord. Sponsorless. I agree. clean shirt clean shirt it will sell well right so let's

1:14:45Musa Okwonga: daredevil's law firm on the front Matt Murdock Murdock Associates you know what's funny you know it's so funny it's so funny it's a bunch of lefties my people doing these comics there's not one we talk about corporations there's not one altruistic corporation in all of the things even Wayne Enterprises gets deep deep deep into the bullshit see the comic writers know man they know

1:15:10Ryan Hunn: right so recapping on the bench so who's who's the head coach then what are we doing for the head coach I think Nick Fury makes the most Nick Fury we've seen him do this before take these incredibly talented people I think sick invasion

1:15:22Musa Okwonga: Nick Fury I think he needs a bit of humility a bit of humility I think is important

1:15:25Ryan Hunn: are we giving him the title head coach or is he first team manager because this is a big political head coach I think is good you think he's head coach wait wait is there a different like head coach managers they basically fulfill the same role but managers tend to have a little more power because ultimately here Fury would be the head coach of the team but Luthor can decide along with the kind of sporting director team you know whether they need another head coaching or not you know they ultimately make the transfers and they have the signings because they've got the network so what are we doing with Xavier?

1:16:00Musa Okwonga: He's got to be involved in some kind of way I think he's chairman He's chairman? Yeah I think he's chairman Interesting He's going to the meetings. He's doing the thing. I think, yeah, I think, I think, because actually, you know what? You know what? I don't hate that. Good in the boardroom. Exactly. And I think, I think mind control would be quite good with some of these other execs. Well, I suppose, actually, that's a point, right?

1:16:20Ryan Hunn: Because he would be, he would be kind of signing the checks, finalizing the fees for stuff. So a bit of mind control there.

1:16:27Musa Okwonga: I think, yeah, put him in the board level. Absolutely. So he's the chairman. People love him, you know, talking to him, the whole thing. Such a good dude, exactly. Because, I mean, you got to be honest, man. Like, even fake Luthan. If you had to put fake Luthan in front of the people with the smile and everything. Like, he forgot how to smile. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if that's exactly where you are. He smiles once when Aldani gets robbed. It's the only time. I think he smiles once or twice in the whole thing. In the whole show. I'll tell you what I would say. I think also Luthan would take orders from Xavier without a need for mind control.

1:16:58Musa Okwonga: He'd respect him enough. Because he'd understand. Yeah, Luthan. Really good relationship there. Yeah, Luthan. Luton is not he's not like a a maverick or a rogue like he he has to operate with his own sort of thing but Luton understands like that there needs to be everybody needs to be on the same page to get it done Luton is also just dirty man you find yourself in a situation midway through the season where these players need to get Luton is the kind of guy that'll do whatever needs to be done he's got to be involved somewhere he signed Andor on a free transfer how wild is that that's the best free agency unrestricted free agent just the ultimate kind of like

1:17:37Ryan Hunn: where does he keep finding these gems from yeah and then just like you know selling them for high transfer fees in a couple of years so any notable absences or shouts that we want on the bench because we've got some space on the bench if you want we can put a load more on there so far we've got Vision, Doctor Strange, Star-Lord, I think Cap's the first sub Cap's on the bench Human Torch, Thor, Car-Rainer, Star-Lord, Doctor Strange,

1:17:58Musa Okwonga: who's your sub goalkeeper? oh yeah oh we needed Sub goalkeeper. Oh, what about Mr. Fantastic? That was my first pitch. Yeah. As the first. Oh, you did say, yeah. As a backup, though. As a backup, not bad. Yeah. As a backup, not bad. Him. I can't have plastic. He could also be a good analyst guy. Reed, he could do both. Love that. That's true. That's true. Anyone else for missing? I feel like it's got to be a space for Wonder Woman. On the bench. On the bench, but what position would you play? For me, like a backup, really? Like a six? No, no, I think as an eight. As an eight? Interesting. Hey, you know, is Superman not on this team?

1:18:39Not there. No. He's not there. Wow. Wild, man. Van, make the case. Come on, make the case. Make the case, bro. So I just don't understand. So Superman, think about one thing that's always underappreciated about Superman. People see Superman, they think big, strong, durable. But you have to think, Superman has a variety of powers. Superman has super hearing. Superman has heat vision. Superman has x-ray vision. Superman has ice breath. He's got ranged attacks. He's got brute force attacks. He's as fast as Flash. He can fly. Superman is an incredibly versatile player on the pitch. But I don't know.

1:19:28sometimes maybe you guys think I feel like maybe he gets the bad rap because he's too hokey and stand up righty

1:19:34Ryan Hunn: I think one of those is probably on the banned substance list and he tests positive I think

1:19:40Musa Okwonga: there's that but I think he takes right and he takes L's can't

1:19:43Ryan Hunn: no man he's tested positive for ice breath

1:19:46Musa Okwonga: if you're coming on the field he's Achilles he's Achilles though people know the weakness

1:19:51Ryan Hunn: yeah

1:19:52Musa Okwonga: oh yeah someone kicks you a kryptonite shin pad for the first two minutes

1:19:55Ryan Hunn: for this do you know what's interesting see what I'm saying I think the biggest tell is that no one's brought him up for any of the positions at all. He's not even in the conversation. Wasn't even like, oh, this was my option. We should put him on the bench.

1:20:06Musa Okwonga: He's humble enough. He's humble enough to be on the bench as well. I think squad player would be fine. We can put him on the bench. Superman cap off the bench. Like a squad player, is it like he makes the 23 or he makes the game day 18? If Pedri can come off the bench in the World Cup final, Superman can come off the bench for a Super 11.

1:20:25Ryan Hunn: All right. You see what I'm saying? so is yeah any any other notable absences no we need a captain though we do need a captain who's gonna have the armband on sunday on on game day t 'chella it has to be it has to be it has to

1:20:40Musa Okwonga: be because trust the person with responsibility who doesn't really want it but will absolutely boss it right like he's not fussed about it but absolutely cook you don't want anyone who's thirsty for power you don't any of that and who could be who better captain the student of the black penta

1:21:00Ryan Hunn: also if we did it like barcelona that should be the energy drink by the way that should be the official energy drink i think if we did it barcelona style where the players voted for the captain i think t 'chall would get it i think so i think i think so yeah i mean yeah he would be the like i mean it's proto it's obvious it's prototypical but your center back being the captain is obvious but i mean it's got to be him there's nobody i want like in in the mixer with not only the badge, but with the captain's armband than T 'Challa. Perfect representative for the club. Oh, man. Imagine him in the streets.

1:21:36Well, it took a while, but eventually Wakanda was like, yo, we will share our resources with the world. We will open ourselves up. It took a second, but you can imagine T 'Challa in the streets just giving kids, hey, man, here's a little vibranium. Go crazy, you know? There it is. you know hey you know just check off a little bit for you right there you know

1:21:57Musa Okwonga: i think it'd be great it'd be great i think we need shuri off the bench as well she needs she needs this place somewhere she's black panther shuri comes off the bench i think shuri can carry it because look at you got the second string is incredible right you've got cap off the bench superman off the bench potentially you've got um thor off the bench as well superman star lord shuri mr fantastic and one and wonder woman that's unbelievable second string can you imagine if You look at the bench. You know, the bench should walk out first.

1:22:25Ryan Hunn: Well, you could do it World Cup style where everyone comes out for the anthems. Hey, you guys know what we have to do next? We have to do their... Because, you know, this team could be like... What's Jomie's team in the German league again? Bayern. Bayern Munich. This team could be like Bayern. I don't want them to be like them and win every single year and have like a Mickey Mouse league. I don't want them to be like them. league so what we need to do right now my villain team could beat this and a villain team we need

1:22:56Musa Okwonga: to come back with a villain team we'll do come back with a villain team because if we don't come back with a villain team i looked up that team and they won 13 straight or whatever it is jomi that made me look at you totally different that made me look at you totally different if

1:23:10Ryan Hunn: you guys wrote for it we should absolutely do it yeah we have to i tell you why i tell you why my

1:23:14Musa Okwonga: villain team's going to beat this team you're an avenger have i killed you before

1:23:25Musa Okwonga: the comic version of that guy that one that comic version my midfield is we're cooking we're cooking oh my god no one's gonna be it's gonna be a nightmare it's gonna be a nightmare

1:23:37Ryan Hunn: all right guys so we're set so we got right for one final time for everyone who's been playing along at home Spider-Man in goal Iron Man right back Flash left back centre back pairing of T 'Challa and Jean Grey's Phoenix Nightwing in a defensive midfield role number six Scarlet Witch and Hawkeyes are two eights Loki left wing Captain Marvel through the middle Storm on the right Vision Doctor Strange Star-Lord Kyle Rayner Human Torch Captain America Thor Mr. Fantastic Superman Shuri and Wonder Woman on the bench our head coach is Nick Fury Batman is Chief Scout our sporting director is Luthan Rail and Professor X is our chairman I like it

1:24:21Musa Okwonga: Mon Mothma head of commercial

1:24:27Musa Okwonga: commercial partnerships can you imagine if that was the case

1:24:33Ryan Hunn: no one would question if our commercial revenues were higher than railroad no one Mon Mothma is busy my mother said old boy to die bro you know what i'm saying she ready to do whatever it takes she's about that life going into a meeting with a strap she looked she looked at her daughter in the eye and was like yo man yeah you got to do this i don't know what to tell you the game is the game the game is the game guys uh what can i say what a treat thanks so much for coming and doing this with us this was amazing thank you i would just like to say before i leave the next team with the amount of titles is five.

1:25:12It's 34 for Bayern Munich. And it's five for the next for Dortmund. It's five. Get your money up. It's like, block it. I'm just saying, Jomie. Jomie, that made me look at you different, bro. Oh, please. Oh, please. I'll be all right. Y 'all, this was fun. So listen, this is what I want to be able to do by the time the villain team comes over. I want Stadio homework. So, because on the villain team, I want to because I know on the villain team I want to be I need to I need to go on a crash course yes a one month crash course of soccer so I can and Jomi's gonna get annoyed with me so I can be more substantive on the villains team and come in with a whole list I'm gonna make a whole list I might bring out the whiteboard for this oh it's my goal to create a villains team that could beat this team

1:26:01Ryan Hunn: absolutely Conway let's do it within 11 wow What have you guys got coming up that you want everyone to go and check immediately? Tell me. Well, we were just at Comic-Con last week, so we did a recap for that. And Vision Quest. Vision Quest is out this week. We did the first two episodes. We are loving it. So you guys make sure to tune in. Hey, also while you're here, make sure to follow The Ringiverse and The Midnight Boys on Instagram and Twitter at TheMidnightBoysPod and on TikTok as well. you know in case you want to see our beautiful faces making you laugh and stuff like that absolutely guys it was amazing to see your beautiful faces thanks for coming on we love you thank you guys for having no problem guys thank you for having us guys you're the best you're the best so there you go man the ultimate superhero 11 with van and jomi

1:26:52Musa Okwonga: i loved that record i loved it so much and i'll say this as well there'll be those you might listen and some will be like oh okay superhero is great not interested but some will be like oh but how about the super villain 11 and actually I can exclusively reveal stay tuned I have been already drawing up my ha ha ha ha

1:27:12Ryan Hunn: Moose has been deep in a superhero montage where it's just like he's in the he's in the basement he's in the weeds he's planning he's plotting he's building he's working he's doing pull ups

1:27:25Musa Okwonga: you know how like Pep disappeared beneath the camp now and came up with the idea for the false nine that's me I'm sitting there going who could beat this but i i think i've got a lineup that could be yeah i mean i don't yeah i

1:27:38Ryan Hunn: mean i know you have a lineup because you were telling everyone during it you spend like spend longer oh wow spoiler alert but it's also it's also because you're like i probably spend longer in a villain mind state than a hero one yeah be your own people

1:28:05Musa Okwonga: thank you to whoever sent me a message someone said they were they were listening to the podcast they heard me laughing at one section they were like and they were like picking up their kids or something they were like they were just laughing at the car park or whatever i was like thank you

1:28:16Ryan Hunn: glad uh glad you found it contagious oh it was the that's there's no spoilers to anyone who hasn't listened to yet but there's a very funny section where van is talking about going to england and some robin hood chat that took me out it was very funny i i genuinely think those two could do

1:28:36Musa Okwonga: cameos in like they could do cameos you know like the devil wears prada type thing yeah those joe me and van nathan could absolutely do cameos in like hollywood movies they're so funny and it's that thing where they turn up and like when they appear i can tell you this now because they're not here but like there are some people where they turn up at like a function and you're just smiling already in anticipation of the vibes you're going to have when they appeared on the screen i was just like yeah yeah all right everyone we're gonna leave it there for today

1:29:03Ryan Hunn: we're gonna be back on thursday with it's gonna be very champions league-y because there's some big games coming up this week so we're going to talk about those on on thursday show until then don't forget to check the standing archers players on spotify speaking of which we're now on Ram Lee a track called Think anything you would like to add Musa Okwanga nothing further alright everyone much love have a great week back with you on Thursday see you then

1:29:47See, leaving behind all there is and start to make believe. Oh, an island where I can hide away and begin to party down. Just when it starts to get in good, it's time for me to turn it out.

1:30:18Ryan Hunn: Later, later Later, later Then I have to elevate

1:30:34Musa Okwonga: Back to where I can't run from Reality will crash your party every time It's moving on. Time waits for no one. Do you know, do you know, do you know? It's moving on. Time waits for no one. The other night it built it. I put it far away. To another era of time. A lovely and mystical place Peacefulness I never felt Everyone was so serene The beautiful people were all in tune I knew it had to be a dream Dream on, dream on, do what's going on Time waits

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