Roy’s Return to Management In Our Most Personal Episode Yet! | Stick to Football EP 156

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1:34Ian Wright: Visit Ernesta.com today. That's E-R-N-E-S-T-A dot com. Where's our sweets, Kieran? Oh no, Kieran's losing it. One sec, one sec. Kieran! He's lost the plot. Joseph, if Roy comes in here now and there's no sweets, don't worry, I don't know what's happened to you.

1:51Gary Neville: He'll think we've lost our way.

1:53Ian Wright: There'll be sweets. Why are you wearing the same T-shirt? Oh, no, I need to change my T-shirt. Gal, you want me to get you one? Let me get you one, Gal. Go on, you pick me something. They're in the green room. I'll go and get him one.

2:03Gary Neville: Oh, no. He's not got the sweets out in time. I'm more of a... Thanks, Roy. Not a kind of a... I'll eat some, but I love sweets. Do you like certain colours? Red or black?

2:21Gary Neville: Has Rite gone to get me a top? Yeah. I do it every time and didn't walk back in to get a top. You got one of these? No, I don't do polo shirts. You're not doing... Oh, no.

2:32Ian Wright: You want? With a T-shirt. What do you want? Is that black or blue? That's blue. Is that gold green? Yeah, it's lovely. Is that gold green? I like the green on you, girl. I'm the gold green. What, you're going to go green with your faded denim jeans? Yeah. Oh, you look amazing. Gary's gone deep into the bagginess, man. He is, isn't he? Yeah, he's gone deep. I can't believe I wore tight jeans for so long. And they were tight. We were trying to tell you, girl. And they were tight. Your jeans were like Ross and Friends. Remember we wore them leather pants? Oh, Jill! Thank you. Like a mustard. Wow.

3:07I said thank you before you even give a compliment. No, it is like a tub of mustard.

3:13Ian Wright: Yeah. I love it. It's a beautiful colour.

3:16Gary Neville: I like it. Come on, hit me. I just like more colour. I like it, Jill. Jill, I like you sitting here as well next to me, by the way. I know. although you did have Steven Gerrard last week yeah Jill you're so up

3:28Ian Wright: you're brilliant right Steven's lovely isn't he

3:34Gary Neville: let's go great lad

3:35Ian Wright: I love him within 10 seconds I had closure on my career because I felt I definitely had physically given my all and mentally so I knew I'd left nothing behind technically I could have been a bit better I've seen some stuff where he's spraying the board I can look after the board I know You can run with it. You just boxed the box. I'm trying to be humble, yeah.

3:53Gary Neville: No, I am. You imagine me pre-mapped, right? I'm doing my quick feet. Me and Phil. I can't break my routine by someone coming over to me and asking me for tickets, right? Remember Fabian was going out with, what's her name? Linda Evangelista. We started going in there then, yeah. So you started going in?

4:11Ian Wright: To make sure she was settling in. Can someone AI a bald Gary Neville, please? Yeah, go on. You look like somebody who works for FIFA who's just been asked about something. that's gone wrong. He's retired from going on tour, Rod Stewart. What good news that is? I'm 81, work is getting a little bit tough. I'm 81, I wear skinny jeans. When should I start wearing skinny jeans, Rod? Oh, 30 years ago, pal.

4:41Gary Neville: We've got three games here, right? Wow. One of them's called 2v2. So what you have to do, I'll give you an example. So basically, if I say training, what did you do well and what didn't you do well? You've got to come up with one of each. So that's like, that's... When we were players? Yeah. So training. Right. Next one, husband. Husband, what do you do well? What don't you do well? So that's another example. Well, I can't take part in husbands. No, we can do partners instead. Let's say partners and be like... You've been not an angst, Joe. Do people know you're getting married? Should we announce it on air?

5:15Yeah.

5:16Gary Neville: Should we announce your... Jill's getting married. I can't wait. Jill's getting married. We're all going to be here, baby. We're there. I'm there, Jill. Be in their day, baby. Jill, be good. Jill, look, he left him hanging. It'll never last. Who said that?

5:32Ian Wright: I'll give them two years. I'll give them two years. I haven't got a thing to wear, Jill. You can wear anything. Can I wear any colour, Jill? Yeah, anything. Jill, what can I wear? What do we wear? Anything.

5:41Gary Neville: Suit, is it? We tie? Well, you can do, but whatever. Even if you want to go a bit more casual. Can I ask you a question? the hardest year of marriage. What do you think? What year is it? The hardest year of marriage. What do you think it is? They say seventh, don't they? I don't know. Yeah, it's the seventh. Hopefully not the first. But the hardest one is the year you're in. What? So every year? Yeah, like it's tough. It's meant to be tough. Yeah. The year you're in, am I right, Ian? Absolutely bang on right. Thank you. Well, you've really got us excited for this. Look at it. Yeah.

6:17Ian Wright: I can't wait for that moment when you get... Is that quality? When they said, you're now partners. Bam. Done. Beautiful feeling. Cut the cake, eat it, and let's party. Your first marriage or your second? Both of them. I'm just checking. I don't know. You're such a mouthful. Oh, my God.

6:35Gary Neville: What's... Obviously, like, wedding cake. What's your structure of your day like, Jill? No. What, for the wedding? Yeah. No, we're just going to have, basically, we're going to have family round the night before and then the next day we're just going to have, like, a big wedding party, basically. So we'll go and do all the formalities, yeah. We don't have to come to that, right? No, no, no. Do you want me to come, though, just to do the reading out of them? Yeah, if you two could just sit and read and then, yeah. Ian will be there.

7:05Ian Wright: It's not sit down, we're just buying a party, right? Yeah, just a big party. Really, I can't wait. Stay at my house, innit? Yeah, it is. Stay at my house. Can we have an after-party at yours? No problem, Jo. OK, great. You'd have a great day.

7:17Gary Neville: Staying at Roy's after. You get lost in the garden. Right, well, we'll start with that then. We'll start with partner then. So what did you do well, what didn't you do well? I think I could be more present, being honest with you. Would be a thing that I could do well, better. What do I do well?

7:37I love how you found the negative.

7:40Ian Wright: You know what I do well? with my girls now, especially, with any of them, with anyone, in fact, wherever they are, I'll go and pick them up. Wherever, whatever time, wherever they are, I will go and pick them up. The other day, Lance went out and she's coming back on the train from, she went to see Westlife and I fell asleep and she was texting me and phoning me and you know what? I couldn't sleep properly in the night because I fell asleep and then she, in the end, she got a train.

8:07Gary Neville: By the way, I've just realised this isn't being a parent because that's over here. Right. It's being a partner. It's not like being a parent's different.

8:17Ian Wright: I thought it was like being a partner, like a husband.

8:19Gary Neville: Yeah, but what I'm saying to you is like being a husband doesn't mean you're kids. OK, so I'm with my missus then. Yeah, so I'm saying I could be more present, you know, because my mind's always thinking about different things, you know what I mean? Yeah. And then what do I do well?

8:34Gary Neville: Is he a good listener? Do you listen? Oh, no, I'm not. You're very kind. I'm good at that either. I'm not very good at that either. I hate listening. Wow. It's a shocker. You know what I'm... I might listen if I got the iPad as a gamer.

8:46Ian Wright: You know what I'm pretty good at is... What I think I'm good at is that when arguments happen with my daughters and the messes involved, I'm quite a good mediator, I find. You diffuse. Yeah, because I'm quite calm. I always try to make it like... I think I'm quite good at that, actually. Let's just chill a bit. You're kind, though. Yeah, very kind. I feel like I do that. Yeah, I'll say I'm kind. Because there's a certain time when my girls realise, you're being serious right now. And then they get... Like, they know the difference.

9:12Gary Neville: Right, Jill, you've been with Shelley for years and years. Yeah, nine years. One thing I would say I need to be better is, like, tidier and helping with chores and stuff. I'm terrible at that. One thing I think I'm good at is I always organise, like, our trips and our days out and stuff like that. Oh, I do that as well. And I think I make it quite fun. And concert tickets. No, that's you. Not that we're in an relationship. What do you do well and what don't you do well?

9:40Ian Wright: Oh, I hate this dog. I love this. Always wants the dogs. Anybody in the family who's got a dog. Is that for him? That's his thing. That's for everyone. Oh, my God. Advice? As a parent, no.

10:03Ian Wright: I shouldn't eat this, bro. That's a tough question, that. It shouldn't be. I love how you've all struggled with something you're good at. You need to go home and reflect. No, I'm good at loads of stuff. It's just which one to say. I can provide. All your wives are very patient. I'm trying to remember humble-haired them. I'm a good at. What are you not good at? I'm reliable, I think.

10:29Gary Neville: I mean, I'll turn up and put a shift in. So you're reliable. That's good. What are you not good at? Are you impatient at home? Sometimes, yeah Not always No, I just I bring things back together I make the effort What would you be impatient about?

10:52Ian Wright: Whatever's happening Just trying to make sure That you're I am just impatient sometimes No, I can But that's most men That's not I don't eat enough With them at night sometimes Because I've I've got an annex No, I'm not having that. There's certain things that are always eat. We have to eat with them. I don't eat with them. Oh, you should eat. Yeah, I don't eat with them. Yeah. I think that's the time where you can chat and no one's on the phone. Oh, we eat together. Absolutely. Yeah. Big part of it. They would get annoyed with me for saying I constantly go on about being on phones. They hate that about me.

11:27Are you? No, I'm like, let's stay off our phones. Oh, you say that to them, right. Okay. Yeah. I think that's what they would say would be annoying about me. Definitely. But it'd be interesting what your partner would say to these questions. Yeah, yeah. Should we ring Theresa? First timer. Right. Don't have much more answers. Next one.

11:49Ian Wright: Next one. I don't even think we've got answers. What are you good at? I'm good at being there. Like I said, I go and pick them up from anywhere they are. And anything. Family. Family has to get dropped off, so I do all that. Like logistics. I do all that. Yeah, I do that. And what could you be better with? Like I said, I could eat with them. Eat with them, okay. You know what, it's just like the football matches are on at certain times and it always throws me, you know?

12:13Gary Neville: You eat before the football match, young people. The football match starts at eight, you've got to eat before eight.

12:16Ian Wright: Sometimes I haven't eaten before eight, what's the problem with you? I don't have to eat before eight. Why are you digging me out from work time? You cannot eat after eight at work at night. I'm talking about all, not just dinner, like sometimes at lunch and stuff. I'm not eating with them enough, I should be eating with them.

12:29Gary Neville: Yeah, but at night, you eat at 6.37, don't you? like between that window. Yeah. I see. You tea.

12:35Ian Wright: I might be watching something else, so I might be doing something. That's what I'm saying. I need to find time because there's time. It's not like there's no excuse. Yeah. As you get a bit older, though, you get a bit more like, you realise what's important. I just want to be on my own sometimes. That family stuff is key. You're good with family time. Yeah, absolutely. Getting everyone together. Yeah, I might try. We had a really good one the other day. Family came round. Get together, yeah. Grandkids and everything. It's beautiful. That's when you realise, you know something that's going all right.

13:01Ian Wright: That's key, yeah. Yeah, it's going OK.

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13:42Ian Wright: Rudy, what did you say? Rudy what? Rudy Tubes. Is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rivals. There is sex scenes in it. I'm sure they're playing tennis topless. Yeah, so is that.

13:50Gary Neville: I've not seen the rivals. Yeah, they're playing tennis topless, so get tuned in. And the score was lovely. So basically, what makes a brilliant rivalry in football? Who's the biggest rivalry that you've ever had? Club and personal-like player that you've played against. Who's the biggest rival that you've ever had? What, like, on the pitch?

14:07Ian Wright: I think, as a club, it's obviously Tottenham, isn't it?

14:10Gary Neville: And then there's a player that you've played against. Who's your biggest rival?

14:15Ian Wright: Not dislike him. Yeah, dislike rivals. Is this a good question? Oh, God. Remember Keith Stevens from Millwall? Rhino. That's what he said. Rhino's going to get you. He was my biggest rival. Because I genuinely thought that he was going to hurt me. But you just get on with it. But he was easily the right. And the thing is, he went to Australia. We get on really well now. He's a lovely bloke. But I genuinely thought he was going to hurt me when I used to play against Rhino.

14:39Gary Neville: So Tottenham and Keith Stevens. Roy? Arsenal, probably. Arsenal because of the years. And Patrick, probably. Patrick? Patrick, probably. And now you're friends? No, I wouldn't go out there.

14:51Ian Wright: Yes, you are. You're friends. I've seen you. You are friends. You're close enough. I saw you in... He was probably like, was he at that gig last night? Yeah, Ballon d 'Or.

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15:06Ian Wright: Biggest rival? Biggest rival, when I was at City, definitely Chelsea, because it was always like us two going for it, and Katie Chapman, we used to just kick the shit out of each other. Literally. So, yeah. Good. Katie Chapman. I'd probably say Chelsea and Everton. Everton just made a side derby. and just Chelsea because they were the probably one team obviously we've got a rivalry in that but we were never competing with you really for the league but we had that competition with Chelsea for three or four years Champions League semi-finals and big cup games and that so I'd probably say Chelsea in terms of what's the player biggest rival biggest rival as in like Thierry Drogba was Drogba I'd probably say Drogba because Thierry was a one way street that was just like there was no competition no no with Drogba it was a good battle played lots of games

15:54Gary Neville: against Chelsea I'd probably say drogler

15:55Ian Wright: what about you Gary

15:57Gary Neville: I'm going to say Liverpool Liverpool without a doubt and I'm probably going to say Robbie Fowler we used to have some stuff going on on the pitch with each other and he's scored a lot of goals he's got a great Robbie Fowler Carrow sometimes at times Carrow was always obviously giving it did you ever think about it the night before if you were like was there some players that would get in your head a bit I knew if I was coming up against Chapman I'd be thinking about it a bit the night before. Like more than other games. Yeah, I was there. Michael Law had done you a few times on Crass, didn't he?

16:31Remember we got Crass? He's now going through a bit. Oh God, you always talk about Camille. Roy strikes him,

16:36Gary Neville: he's like, I didn't see him. Swivel, swivel, Roy. Roy remembers one moment and then he's like, he did you a few times and then it was once, Roy. Fowler? It was once. Fowler? Oh, in once. No, Fowler. The award-winning series returns to Disney+. New episodes of Rivals, a Hulu original series streaming from the 11th of November exclusively on Disney+.

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19:23Gary Neville: Okay, so which one? Go on, pick one, Jill. Pick one, right. Diet. What you did well and what you didn't do so well. What you don't do well, yeah. It's didn't, so it's a plan now. I don't do chocolate well. If that's a bad thing, I eat too much of it and sweets. It's ridiculous and that's my downfall what did i do what do i do i eat i eat at the same time i knew that was gonna be the answer and i am i'm consistent around food so yeah okay yeah so i'm very consistent

19:56Ian Wright: i'd like to think i'm consistent around food now i like what i do right at the moment is my discipline in going to the gym at five that's not diet yeah but like the food you keep answering

20:07Gary Neville: the wrong question. No, no, no.

20:08Ian Wright: The food comes with it. Just step ahead, yeah. The food comes with it, gal, because, like, my discipline to make sure that the gym's right comes from the fact that I've got to eat the right foods. Of course, hand in hand.

20:17Gary Neville: Oh, I'm religious on that, Ian. Do you know something? I look forward, I usually wake up before my alarm, but literally, I look forward to walking out of the house, particularly now it's cold in the morning at quarter six to walk to the gym. And I love the fact that after it, I go and walk for a coffee. I have a coffee. You've got a routine at that time in the morning. And then I come back with a hoodie on and I'd squat back on. I like the colds coming in in the winter. Yeah, I like that. It's my favourite season. I love it.

20:42Ian Wright: I love that. Back to diet. What's your weakness? My weakness is, you know, it's those kind of, you know, you go to the shop and you can buy those cakes with the icing on top and you put custard on it. That's my weakness. Sponge. Yeah. No, but your discipline, I like sweet stuff, but obviously I can have one bar or two. could you eat like loads of stuff and go overboard I can eat easily no I do stuff I can eat like you see the like biscuits like chocolate I can eat the whole packet yeah if I'm watching I've stopped doing I've stopped doing that now because like that was easy to do especially if they're a little bit warm and melted I can easily eat a full packet of chocolate

21:20Gary Neville: I've got no do you hear something you talk about someone who's disciplined and like professional and I am crap

21:27Ian Wright: you see these you see these as well Roy there was a time

21:29Gary Neville: I've enjoyed that one they're not good enough They're not good enough to eat all of them.

21:33Ian Wright: No, no, no, but the thing is, I could eat four or five of them because they're easy to eat. So all that has had to cut out. What would you have, like, a lot of? Like, give us an example.

21:42Gary Neville: A massive bar of dairy milk. Oh, yes. And I wouldn't stop. Would you eat all of that? Like, the giant buttons from Marks and Spencer, you know, the massive giant buttons. I can't just have a few, the whole bag. So, yeah, I'm quite disciplined. I do like chocolate, but I think, you know, when you were growing up and you were allowed, like, one thing after your tea, I think I'd go, right, I'll have that bar of chocolate. and then I'm done. You can have a little bar of chocolate, that big.

22:04Ian Wright: Yeah. Little one. Yeah, I might go. Oh, no. No fizzy, no fizzy pop. Fizzy drinks. None of the fizzy. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, I'm not. Cocknose, which is really good at our stage as well. I think what I don't do so well is when I'm on the go, I probably don't eat enough. I'll always make sure I have like my tea on the night, but I can have a couple of coffees on the morning and then if I'm at work and stuff, I'm not very disciplined with my food. I've got a sweet tooth, but I don't have a big appetite. Do you have something every night? Right, I always think... Will you have something every night?

22:35Ian Wright: Like as a sweetness?

22:37Gary Neville: Yeah. But, Roy, how do you not put weight on? I do a lot of walking. But I'm saying to you, you don't do gym or Ironman or anything like that, but you walk. I walk. And that keeps your weight off. And I think I have a really small appetite. Don't eat a lot. I actually don't eat that much. No, you don't. No, I don't. I'll sit and have meals with people. I just barely... When we go out, though, you eat meals. But I wouldn't have a start on a main course. I might just have a main course. And you watch, I actually don't eat that much. I'm very similar, to be honest, because I don't do loads of training.

23:10And I'll just walk and I don't think I, like, overeat. Yeah.

23:15Gary Neville: I have to work my backside off and even then I'm a little bit still full.

23:19Ian Wright: That means you're putting too many calories there.

23:20Gary Neville: You always look muscly, though, doesn't it? No, but you're also saying, I literally work quite hard in the gym, like five, four, five, five. Do you think you've got a chubby guy inside you? Oh, I'm desperate to get out. I'm fighting every day to, like, sort of...

23:32Ian Wright: But, girl, how often would you...

23:34Gary Neville: I'm fighting it. How often would you... And you lose them fights sometimes, obviously. I do.

23:37Ian Wright: How often do you have that massive bar? I do, I do.

23:40Gary Neville: How often do you have that massive bar? Do you have it often? I've tried to cut down on it, to be fair. Do you know how many calories is that? It's just, Ian, it's the... It's thousands. Diabetes that scares me.

23:50Ian Wright: Well, that should frighten you, girl. Yeah. That should frighten you, because, like, that's a lot of chocolate. But you've lost a lot of weight over the last year. Yeah, you look weird. No sugar. But what were your last... Are you down a stone as much as that? More stone and a half.

24:03Gary Neville: I drink a bit as well. Don't drink a lot, but I drink... I have a few glasses of wine. Every night? Say again. No, I was. Cut that out as well. In Covid, I was having a... Yeah.

24:12Ian Wright: You see, I stock all that. I don't drink nothing. Do you drink in the house?

24:16Gary Neville: I don't drink in the house. I have a glass of wine in my house now.

24:18Ian Wright: And I'll have a Guinness if I go out. Nothing else. Sometimes, you know, if you're doing, like, talks and events, Sometimes I can get back and I'll be like, God, I had three glasses of red wine Monday, three Tuesday. If you want to function, you've got to be... I think ex-sports people still eat and drink, what they're kind of used to when they were playing. Obviously, back in the day, you were burning off, you were training. That was my problem after I finished.

24:39Gary Neville: I was eating the same and not training. And that's a calorie...

24:45Ian Wright: I think it's a massive discipline. What's the opposite of deficit? What's the opposite? Go out and you might drink a fizzy water or maybe some... But you eat healthy when you do eat? Yeah. Do you not like... You eat healthy, like fish and veg every day and all that? Yeah, all the time. Like salmon and steak and chicken, a bit of rice, not so much pasta. I used to eat pasta two, three times a week. I don't eat pasta maybe once a month now. You know what the hardest thing, not to bring it up, but obviously I was playing football and then I went in the jungle straight after and I was used to all them calories and I just went so...

25:20It was a shock to your system. Oh, my God. Like dizzy. Yeah, dizzy, lost so much weight. Were they worried about you? I couldn't. At first, I remember Matt Hancock saying, oh, we'll do some weights and that in the jungle, you know, just like with the trees and that, well, branches. And then it got to, like, day two.

25:37Ian Wright: You couldn't do it. And that, I was so, like, yeah, just would feel light-hearted. Yeah, light-hearted. Light-headed, you know, when you walk down to get the... Yeah, down the bottom. ..all the wood and bring it back. You still want a dog girl, didn't you? You still want it. I'm not surprised against Matt Hancock

25:54Gary Neville: That's another episode This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney Plus A bit of football one Playing in your position What did you do well in your position What could you have done better in your position What didn't you do so well

26:11Ian Wright: I like to think I finished well Like my link up play It was something I would never be I was never completely happy with even in game before I could have done that better the ball comes into you and then as you get older learning so late how important it is for a striker to keep the ball for people who are coming on to you Did you have a lot of assists Ian? I don't think I had to I made 20 odd maybe I don't know

26:33Gary Neville: All strikers score goals now they also assist don't they like? They assist yeah

26:36Ian Wright: it's a different world but like what I'm saying is is that even when I knew I'd done it well when I'm getting ready to look around and it's going to happen I mean, I'm quite scared because I don't want this ball to break down off of me. Especially when I went to Arsenal and you've got Merce, you've got this, you've got Dennis and that. You have to keep it for them. And that was something that I never stopped thinking about. But did it suit you a little bit? Obviously, Palace, where they said, we just want you running behind. Just running behind. You were delighted to hear that. And to be honest, is that I knew that that's how Steve Koppel wanted to play me.

27:09Ian Wright: And it suited me, especially literally coming straight out from semi-pro football. so I wanted to go that way but then when I started to train with people like Trevor Aylock big number nine and realised okay I've got to work off of him so when the ball goes into him I've got to make sure I come round so he can lay into me and same if I make a run there or if he runs across there it was like it was brilliant And when you were in the England squad did you think I have to step up Oh without a doubt because like you go to the England squad and even like people don't realise people like Des Walker and Paul Parker when they're marking you you're like you're like in a straight jacket.

27:47Ian Wright: Everything. If the touch is, if you touch it and it's a little bit off, boom, they're coming, they're getting it. They're getting it. Pax was a good defender, wasn't he? Very good. Very good. He could leap.

27:56Gary Neville: I reckon one of the biggest improvements I've seen in a player come to United from when they joined to the end was Andy Cole's link-up play. And I'm not talking about going from someone who like, when he came, he was a pure goal scorer. But towards the end, Cole's touch and his link-up play was fucking unbelievable.

28:13Ian Wright: That's the thing, to have the ability to say, oh, so I'm going to have to play like that now. And then you adjust. That's why he probably went on for a while. He played quite late. Because then what happens is that the technical ability and the experience for the game and knowing what you need to do. You know what? It was such a beautiful education. It was tough that right in, where you're back to playing. Especially when you've got good defenders at a time when they could come through you. And so you could come through you, and then you've got that midfielder who's going to try and nick it off you, and he's got to come in here.

28:41You said Dez would be giving you a stick.

28:45Ian Wright: You know what the kind of stick that Dez didn't give you? Just talking to you about, what are you making that run for? Did I tell you that? What are you making that run for? He's not even got his head up. You know what I mean? That kind of stuff.

28:56Gary Neville: Right, is there something? I used to think that when I was playing against a striker, when they were just about to control it, you could just literally, rather, you didn't have to go through the back of them. Just clip them. Just literally, just swing your leg with their leg. Yeah, yeah. Just make them contact. That wasn't foul. No, but it must be frustrating when you come up against really good players. Same for me in midfield and it goes up to you, you think, I think I have a bit. And they just have a nice little touch and they go away from you. The real top players

29:19Ian Wright: are that brilliant first touch. When you watch, like again, you appreciate when you see, I watched Dominic Calvert-Lewin against Arsenal. It was a fantastic display of a number nine and getting the ball against two really robust defenders. The aggressive, yeah. It was brilliant to watch because you don't see it anymore. Was that the lunchtime game? That was the one when we played Leeds. It was tough for Arsenal. They were a good league. Honestly, they were very good. You know who else? Brobby, when I watched him against City. Wow. He almost, like, you know how some strikers, the ball comes in, they protect, then they get the hit.

29:53He almost does the hit, then he's so good at that. You know what I do?

29:57Ian Wright: I don't think, Roy, as well, with that number nine, if you're playing, like, I think Solanke could do more to be the same. I think Dominic Calvert-Lewin, when Dominic Calvert-Lewin plays that, there's no one who's comfortable in a defensive role. even Virgil wouldn't be comfortable if he's getting the right service because he's so awkward he's so good at Cleveland and we were looking at United remember Marcus and Yorkie and Teddy I'd be zipping balls and I tell you what they looked after I'd give them that all of them Teddy yeah but the thing if you're talking about Teddy Shockey Yorkie was brilliant Yorkie was good I was just trying to get the ball off Yorkie remember and he'd want that to defy him but Eric was brilliant and he'd want there's brave It's a savoury to that.

30:39Gary Neville: If you played the ball into a striker and they didn't hold it, they were getting killed, by the way.

30:44Ian Wright: Absolutely, yeah.

30:45Gary Neville: They were getting killed off the manager, off the players. They didn't hold it.

30:48Ian Wright: But the thing is, girl, what I learned... It's true. When I signed for Palace, what I learned very quickly was... I remember Jim Cannon. They used to come in and fucking... Because, like... Get hold of the ball. You've got to get hold of it because they can't get a break. We had a forest. Brian Clough was a great... For a striker, if you didn't control that ball, he's taking you off. Ask any striker for a forest. I still sit on cold comms now most.

31:10Gary Neville: If it bounces off someone, he's got to get hold of that. You just say it. That's why I get annoyed with Virtue. I know, no. Virtue, yeah. They kept bonking off him. Just get hold of it. It's like a wall. Jill? So was finishing well football or husband?

31:24Ian Wright: What did you say? What? What are you on about? You pick finishing well. Was that under football or husband? No, that was what you said, what you liked or what you didn't like about play.

31:34Gary Neville: He said you wanted to finish better after I said partner. LAUGHTER She probably wanted to finish better as well. Right, Jill. No, but, right, have you done both yours? Yes. Playing in your position, what were you good at? Playing in your position, so I could have been better at technical ability, like receiving as, like, a single six. I wasn't very good at that. So, like, Rodri roll? Yeah, I wasn't very good at that. But what I did well was I'd have just ran all day, pressed, harassed people.

32:02Ian Wright: Yeah. Did you score as well? You scored as well. A few, but I could have been better at that, yeah. but I think it was just for me, like, were great keeping everyone organised. So you're the same answer as me, Jill.

32:15Gary Neville: Right, I'm going to say... I think I knew my position pretty well. I think I knew where to be and where to stand, I think. So I think I knew my position well, organisationally, sort of side thing. What could I have done better? And I look back now, and I used to laugh about the fact that I only scored seven goals and my assists, I don't know how many assists I've got. With a team that I played in, If I was under the pressure that current full-backs are to affect the game in the final third with crosses and goals, I genuinely believe that I would have worked on it a lot more and I should have scored.

32:47Gary Neville: I'm making it up. I should have scored 25, 30 goals for United as a full-back and probably had 60 assists or 50 assists in the games I played. It's a different game, guys. Yeah, but we had all the chances, all the possession. We scored loads of goals. There was nothing restricting me going forward. But I used to overlap there. I never used to go there like Nico O 'Reilly I was watching Nico O 'Reilly in Gavardy all the other day they're going there I never went there yeah but that was restricting you because the team was scoring goals yeah but I just think when I look back now as we said about Trent some foot back don't worry about overlapping if it just comes back I think if goal scorers are the top end of the pitch I should have impacted the game better in the final third I think than I did as a football yeah but truthfully your mindset going into football matches was not making a mistake not keeping my guys keeping the guys quiet we weren't saying at the end of the season we weren't saying no you only got two goals we just wasn't in the conversation what's yours Roy?

33:41no truthfully I think mine was the same as Jill really I just you could have getting off the back four Roy no as I got a bit older technically I could have been a bit better but obviously in what way what specific thing

33:52Ian Wright: I've seen some stuff where he's spraying the ball I can look after the ball I'm just trying to be humble here he hasn't got a bad one really I guess we can look at Gerrard scores he lashing but I didn't have that in my locker did I going from 25 or 30 yards I think I could ping a pass maybe but not I think one of my strengths I kept everything simple I always say that just keep it simple look after a ball

34:17Gary Neville: but again I wasn't scoring goals from 25 or 30 yards I didn't have that technique tracking your runners could have been better

34:23Ian Wright: you couldn't hit that 25-30 yard pass yeah the pass but I'm on about lashing ones in Del Piero

34:30Gary Neville: was in the pocket and he just looked over his shoulder My back four kept dropping and dropping. Yeah.

34:37Gary Neville: Right, next one. Jill, do you want to go on the next one? What one you got? Life after football. Where's that? What you did well and what you didn't do so well. I've just realised that it's that same thing. Good question. Who came up with these questions? This is good.

34:52Ian Wright: I like them.

34:53Gary Neville: I definitely could have been more focused on what I was doing. I just did everything. You know what I mean? Tried to do too much. When you stopped? Tried to pull everything back, really. They're just too coach, media, business, you know, just... At least you had a plan, though. You said you had a plan. I had a plan. You're still playing. Yeah, yeah, I did. I knew what I knew. A lot of players don't have that. You know something? I always looked at players. It used to scare me. Do you know the lads that used to walk around the stadium, Roy? That you just used to do the match days and walk around the stadium.

35:20Gary Neville: Do you know what I mean? You used to do, like, the Trafford Suite and the Trafford Suite. And it used to scare me to death. I used to think, I don't want to walk around the stadium. What do you mean?

35:28Ian Wright: Like ex-players.

35:29Gary Neville: Ex-players who walk around the stadium.

35:32Ian Wright: just how people can say hello to him and he had paid

35:36Gary Neville: it scared me to death I just thought that'll make me I'm not very good at that I'm not a social type person in terms of like I just thought he'd scared I tried it for about four months and I stopped it so that wasn't for me but you said that's what you didn't do well but I would have put that down as what I did excepting the Valencia job excepting the England job but then still doing business, then still doing the meet. If you think about it now, it was wrong. But you learnt what you liked and... Yeah. Look, I experienced things, I did that, but I think looking back it was too much. And then what did I do well?

36:13Gary Neville: I maintained my work ethic from football in my post-football career. Yeah.

36:17Ian Wright: I think that's a natural thing when you're that driven. You take the work ethics, you take them.

36:22Gary Neville: I feel like I have to do things, so... You're so hard working, though. You are. But that's because I took too much on. Yeah. Sometimes I think, well, what am I doing? So I'm not always in control of that, you know what I mean? It's like, look at all. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Right, Roy? After, what, so stop playing. What did you do? What I'd done well, I think I kept everything together, if you know what I mean, just carry on. Stayed in football, didn't crash and burn, which I thought there was definitely potential for that. Kind of kept everything simple, I had a nice family. I'm probably the most contented I've ever been in my life.

36:57Kind of contented out of the middle of the road, stuff. And yeah, I think, again, there's always the pitfalls when we all finish. that idea of what you do after football, the pitfalls of players. We've seen it all, addictions, bankruptcy, divorce, the whole shebang. I've kind of kept it all. Yeah. Kind of kept it together. This is certainly not perfect, obviously not. I kind of enjoy what I do now with the people I work with and the companies I work with. I go, yeah, that'll do me. I'm quite contented with it all.

37:24Gary Neville: Justin, what scared me once is when people think that you play football for like 13 years 14 years and you finish football at 35 you've got like probably 40 45 years to get through you know what I mean and you've been stimulated and a massive adrenaline rush every single week but the strange thing for me for all my the way I used to obviously play and I was a bit mad I told you when I retired I remember when I rang Gordon Strachan and I said Gordon obviously my hip I'm finished I still had a year left to sell it when I came off the phone within 10 seconds I had closure on my career

37:54Ian Wright: seriously I had closure I didn't even kind of go you know be worried about to hang-ups and routine of training. But I was, no, I was cool with it. I was down. Because I felt I definitely had physically given my all and mentally, so I knew I'd left nothing behind. Listen, ups and downs, of course. So I got closure. So I'm not one of these players that looks back, would want to go to all... No, I don't. Even if I didn't do the media stuff, I'd have no interest in going back to... Truthfully, I've said it before, and I mean this in the nice... This is kind of a... Nothing against the clubs. I didn't want any...

38:26kind of connections with the club where I felt I had to go back or I had to go and do some stuff. I got, no, brilliant. Loved it when I was there. I gave everything I had. Thank you. And hopefully you enjoyed when I was there and I gave everything I had. But I've moved on to other stuff in my life. I'm not drawn back to United, Celtic, Forest, wherever there might be when I was a player. And I got closure. So my contentment comes in. I gave it me all. And now I'm kind of doing stuff and I've stayed involved in football, obviously. And I work with good people. That's the key for me. I need to work with good people.

38:54Obviously, I don't get on the podcast, but I do it with Sky and ITV. Jill? Well, that includes my age. You know what? I've loved life after football. I really have. And I think I always said that I'm not someone that thinks too far ahead. I always just think show up every day, be nice to people and work hard. And that's what I used to think when I played football. And I've kind of took that on to like into life after football.

39:20Gary Neville: But... Are you the most successful women football player post-career? No. No, seriously. No, I think, seriously, if I'm thinking about how you've handled Paul's career, what you do in the media, what you do in your sort of commercial stuff, what you've done on television, obviously the jungle. What's timing huge for you, Jill? Winning the Euros, the jungle, all that gave you that little extra boost to... Yeah, and I do feel very, like, lucky as well, because I was part of that Euro squad and then the jungle came along and I've had some, like, really good opportunities and I just feel, like, really grateful for that.

39:53I think when I played, I'm always someone, I've always had to be doing loads of stuff. So we opened the coffee shop. I was doing soccer camps. I was still doing talks from a very young age. And then I think then when I've progressed out of it, I've still been able to carry that stuff on. So I think that did help. I would always say, don't just do one thing. If you're a footballer, you do find yourself having a bit more free time, like do something else with that time. But yeah, I've really enjoyed it.

40:19Ian Wright: You do take stuff on though. You don't mind going at something? No, and just trying it. And it's different for the women because obviously women even more so have to look about, right, what am I going to do when we finish? I was petrified even as a man. I was petrified about what I'm going to do. I didn't retire with any, like, I didn't have a lot of money in the bank or anything like that, but that never worried us because I was like, I know I'll go and get a job. I'm not shy of working. One thing probably I could have done better in the beginning was maybe balance, just being at home versus working.

40:48But same as Roy, I'm so content now. Family, everything, I just feel so content. love doing this with you guys. I feel very lucky. You get lots of stuff too because obviously people like you and you're a likeable person. That's why you're getting all them.

41:01Gary Neville: And you've got a personality, Jill. Yeah, thanks. I thought it was my looks. Jill, going back to that point, who are the most successful ex-women football players who've gone on? You've got businesses, you've got commercial stuff, you've got media, you've got obviously other things in television. You've got... Who else? It's not a trick question. Who else has gone and done what you've done? I've never really thought about it. I think there's obviously a lot of the girls that have gone into punditry. Like you've got Steph Houghton, Ellen White, Farrah Williams, Alex Scott, like who have really focused on that.

41:34So I don't know if I've just kind of... Somebody said to me when I retired, like, you'll have to pick one thing. And I was like, but do you have to or can you just...

41:43Ian Wright: No, no, the thing is as well, Joe, is that you're one of the first with the personality and the charisma coming from the Lionesses, which done brilliantly for us winning it and everything. That's got personality to go out there. So the rest, they're coming. So especially when that group starts to get to retirement, we might see a lot more of them. Yeah, because I think that Jill's come along perfectly. But Jill's been a great example for them, hasn't she? Without a doubt. You know what I mean? People will look at you and go, listen, Jill can do it. There's opportunities out there. And them Lionesses, they've won something.

42:15Ian Wright: They've done something. So they will get their chance.

42:17Gary Neville: But Jill, you said about basically you should have done one thing and done different things, I didn't know what I wanted to do. Yeah, same. I didn't have a clue whether I wanted to be a coach or a pundit. I generally thought I was going to have to go for it because I didn't have a clue what to do. Yeah, and I think that was the same as well. Did you have an idea when you finished what you wanted to do?

42:35Ian Wright: I'll tell you what happened for me is the television show came while I was still at Arsenal.

42:42Gary Neville: That was your own television show, wasn't it?

42:43Ian Wright: Yeah, the Friday night's all right. So I was thinking, I knew I'm not going to coach. I ain't going to be able to coach. I haven't got the personality for it. I ain't got the passion for it and I tried it. It didn't work for me. So I was thinking, well, what am I going to do? It's going to have to be something personality-wise, TV-wise. And I remember I had to present Top of the Pops one and then I'd done that and then, bam, I got ITV offered me that. So I went into that and I thought, right, this is what I've got to do.

43:11Gary Neville: How many times did you present that, Top of the Pops?

43:13Ian Wright: I must have done it four or five times. I imagine presenting Top of the Pops. That's pretty cool, that. That is so cool. I've done Prince. What's his name? The fellow who sang the Robin Hood song. Everything. Adams. Brian Adams. Brian Adams, yeah. He's a really cool Chelsea fan. And then Prince. Done a load of people. But then once they saw that, I was okay. So I was thinking, okay, I'm going to do this. I didn't know if I wanted to do that. And then five, like, I'd say 18 months into it, after signing deals, and obviously the money's coming in and everything, I was thinking, I don't want to do this.

43:42Ian Wright: I don't like this. I don't like that. Don't like what? Doing the TV stuff? Live stuff? I didn't like doing the TV stuff. Were you doing any sporting stuff then? No. No sport? You know what? When I stopped the football, I went straight into, like, shiny floor, ITV entertainment shows. And then I'd done that for about five, six, seven years, and I was just getting more and more depressed doing that. Once I got back to, once I got into the football and really focused on doing it properly and reading it. Was that your idea, right? Did you say ITV? I want to do, or they said to you, do you fancy doing a bit of this?

44:13No, no, no, no.

44:14Ian Wright: Because remember, it was at BBC I was doing it at first, and Niall, Niall was the one who wanted me to do it, Niall Sloan. So I'd done it for a while. Then I got in touch with the ITV entertainment side and then they saw something, they wanted me to do stuff. I was doing Friends Like These for BBC, then I went out to ITV and I'd done the Friday Night's All Right, then I'd done the Guinness Book of Record show. And I was thinking, I'm showing different kind of sides. I don't remember any of this, do you? I don't remember. A little bit, yeah. The thing with it was is that I'm doing it, and I'm doing it to get high.

44:42Ian Wright: So what was the first sport you'd done? First sport I'd done would have been one of the World Cups. 1998 was the first World Cup, and I missed out on that.

44:50Gary Neville: For BBC or ITV?

44:51Ian Wright: That was for ITV. That's the first time I worked for ITV. So when you've done that, right? That's when I got injured.

44:54Gary Neville: And did Niall move to ITV then?

44:56Ian Wright: And Niall moved from BBC to ITV later on. And when you started doing that, were you going, this is better? Did you love it straight away? What, football? Yeah, doing the football stuff instead of top of the pub. Yeah, because I felt... Not because you knew what... There was so much reading and stuff you had to do, and cut, let's do that again. It wasn't natural for me.

45:15Gary Neville: No, but righty, you've brought that entertainment bit, though, into the football. So that personality, you've brought that, you've probably benefited from that without knowing it.

45:22Ian Wright: Well, hopefully I have because I was so unhappy doing it.

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46:37Roy, did you, you know, when you obviously went into the management, then you went back to punditry, was there a time that you were going to go back into management or not? Yeah, there was a little moment, yeah. Well, it kind of did happen. I did, when I, after I left Sunderland, I think I was doing a bit, done it with TV, then I went to Ipsos and I came back out, then I went back with Ireland. So there was times I was kind of dipping in and out. Yeah, but this last, like, long thing. Oh, the last few years, no, it was definitely, yeah, then you're like, yeah, you're... It's kind of no going back now.

47:05But I still think, I always think, truthfully, when I'm doing deals, I usually do short-term deals. I usually think I'll be getting out of it soon. Really? Yeah, I never think I'm going to be doing this for three, four, five years.

47:16Gary Neville: What's the thing for you? Because I think, what's the thing for you that... Because obviously, as soon as you come into television, your voice is compelling. It's like there's no-one delivers a phrase or a sentence or analysis like you. Was it a case that basically you felt coming in television was something that maybe was almost like defeat because you wanted to be a manager. Did you feel like that at one point? Do you know what I mean? I know exactly what you mean. Your standards and your sort of like... There might have been a bit of that, yeah. But I also appreciate the work that when I see other people doing the TV stuff and pundits and obviously we're all different.

47:52We give different opinions. There was definitely a part of me over the last few years, I feel, I don't know if it's an ego thing, I should be a manager somewhere. I still feel I could have been a really good manager.

48:00Ian Wright: What was your vex about it? So maybe there was a little bit of that, but no, I wasn't showing, I wasn't working on going, I should be a manager, because there was parts of me going, I'm also doing TV stuff and I appreciate that work and, like, embrace it. But there was definitely something with me going, I should be, I definitely should be a manager somewhere. But I think that helps when I'm doing the games, because when I go to games, I do go and watch the games and I'm passionate about the games. I don't, I certainly don't turn up and go, God, I can't believe I'm here. I'm like, no, I'm here, I'm going to do it properly.

48:26Gary Neville: But you've lived like what, you know, Michael Carrick's going through now or what? Oh, yeah, and I feel for managers. Of course. And you've said it's just, it's a, it's just a, I don't know what you call it, the managerial circuit right now. I mean, it's a mess, isn't it? It's just chaos. You said it before, you're working for people who are probably going to sack you within six months or eight months or nine months. Your life's in their hands. Yeah, but it's not anymore, thank God. I think when you're obviously in that managerial role, you are thinking, listen, two or three bad results and you can be able to do it.

48:56And you have the extreme highs. I had a Sunderland, you think, things are great. and you're battling and you can't get a result. Yeah, that's a tough rollercoaster. So I don't miss being on that rollercoaster. But again, I just have this feeling that I could have been a really good manager. And I had little moments with Martin with Ireland. That was great. So I've had proper, really unbelievable experiences working in premiership level, working in the championship, working at international level. So I also think that helps me with my punditry. When I'm watching matches, I've obviously experienced being a player.

49:28I've got a right mixed bag to my opinion it doesn't mean obviously it's it people have to agree with it so and when I'm doing the TV stuff and I'm going to games again Jill mentioned earlier about turn up on time being polite to people and giving your opinion yes as we said before a lot of people do a lot of talking and saying that and I do like kind of skipping that side of it you know maybe I don't overanalyze stuff and I don't overthink it but if I see something in the game or I like or I don't like I don't really mess around yeah good will you do one more of these Jill? Yeah. Go on, you pick.

49:59Gary Neville: Last footballer. Let's see if we found this little media.

50:04Ian Wright: Let me see, Gal.

50:06Gary Neville: It says being a captain, being a leader in the dressing room. There's one. Dealing with foreign players, international players. Dealing with young players. Which one do we want? I like all of that. Let's do all of them. Being a captain stroke senior player in the dressing room. What did you do well? What didn't you do so well? So many people seem to get that wrong, though, don't they? you know when they get that leadership role or they get the amber and I see the other sports they seem to just they go somewhere you're like is it for them to go to their heads I don't know I think I remember when I got to captaincy at United remember when you get to captaincy at United you don't apply for it there's no vote the manager pulls in go do you want to be captain deep down you know listen it's great that they think highly of you but you also go don't start getting distracted by the fact you might be captain that you're going to distract by all what can the distractions be though I just think there could be You see a lot of people get that role in the sack going down different roles with the media and they start thinking...

51:00Gary Neville: I found it difficult for the first six months, eight months. More because of basically who I was replacing, really. Who was it?

51:06Ian Wright: So what was your problems? So what was the problems that you... Was it too much responsibility?

51:11Gary Neville: To be fair, everyone knew Roy was the captain. So it's a case of you basically get given the captain's armband partway through a season and you're thinking, I'm obviously not Roy Keane. A million miles from it on the pitch and off the pitch. So you're just thinking, fuck it, how is this going to go? and you feel like, do I need to do anything different? And to be fair, the only time I got a piece, we won the Carabao Cup. In Twiggin that year, yeah. Was it Wiggin Roy? It was Wiggin. Yeah, right there. Yeah, and that was, that to be fair, because we won and we were on a podium, even though it was the League Cup, that was massive.

51:47Gary Neville: That group, it was massive. And it was a one for the players. I don't think Cristiano had won a trophy before. I don't think Nemanja, Patrice. Yeah, of course. So a lot of them haven't won trophies before. And then the start of the next season, the football was like, oh, my God, it's unbelievable. It's like Louis Saha up front was with Wazza and we had Cristiano and Giggsie wide. And it was like, oh, my God. And I didn't have to do anything. So I didn't do anything. The only thing I did, the only thing I did differently than, well, Roy was far different than I was. The only thing I did was went and asked, could we have music in the dressing room?

52:21Gary Neville: Because the players wanted music in the dressing room. and we'd never had music ever in my whole time. Well, that was the key for what you'd done with your leadership, Nev. You didn't try and do too much. No, I didn't do anything. I mean that in the nicest way. I didn't do anything different. Like Cantona, Brucey, Robbo, they're all different captains. So what you find, you find what works for you. And again, when I was there, I'd done very little, Nev. Truthfully, I did. That's not going down this road of saying, yeah, you're a different personality to me, you're a different position and team to me.

52:46Ian Wright: But you've done stuff with the players, new players and that. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, but you would do that as a senior player. that's not because you've got the armband on. We would have all been doing that.

52:54Gary Neville: No, but I think we were good. The way you were on the training pitch every day, though, the way you were on the dressing room. Yeah, that's my point, but that's the way I was when I was a player. It was, yeah, but the captaincy didn't change me. No, but I think from that moment when, pre-99, when, so let's say you were captain, when was it, 98? You became captain in 98, did you? I'm not sure. Your personality and character from 98, say, to 2002, it developed enormously. You weren't a massive speaker even as a captain, to be fair. That's my point. But you were definitely... You were different. But different...

53:23Gary Neville: He was leading. But I always think I... Yeah, leading. It wasn't different in terms of... But I always think I trained that way. I don't think I... That's my whole point. Your demands on people were a lot more post-captaincy than maybe you were now. Maybe that's just because we were getting older and the younger lads coming through and Ronaldo and Rooney all these. So, yeah, you're going to tweak things. But, again, that's my whole point. I look at certain people who get leaderships, and I don't mean just in football or whatever. They go down this road, and I go, what are you doing? Just focus.

53:46I saw an interview the other day, an old interview with Tony Adams I'm going back I think it was like back in the 90s getting interviewed about Arsenal our expectation at the club we want to compete nice and simple nothing dramatic about it and I see other captains getting all a bit distracted by stuff and what I used to argue and what was a good and a bad thing for me at United I was always looking after trying to look after the dress room not turn into a circus keeping people away from the dress room we knew there was commitments during the week but on a match day or for training I fell out with loads of people at United you know people coming to the dress room getting jerseys coaches I'd be like no this is the players this is our area

54:19Gary Neville: but those sorts of things were things that to be fair I didn't yeah they're the sort of things that you did post-captains that you may not have done pre-captains only yeah because obviously I was a bit younger that's all it's just your role as you get a bit older in the club just like Giggs and you were doing that when I was there I think you don't have to be an you don't have to be a leader the thing I felt I did badly but it's not really but when I was injured towards the end and I was I found embarrassing and it happens now I see it sometimes actually and I think oh it's awful do you know when someone's playing all the time let's say Giggsie was captain or Vidic was captain or Rio was captain and then you come on for 15 minutes and you run on the pitch and then they pass you the armband and I almost felt embarrassed you know what I mean because they'd run over to you and give you the armband you can't say no go away I think one game I said you know what I mean I felt I didn't contribute in the last couple of years and I felt like I wasn't a captain you know what I mean and I remember I actually offered him the captaincy up so one pre-season I think it was probably not the season before I actually finished the season before that I said, look, I can't keep that armband.

55:19Gary Neville: I said, Giggs is playing every week. Vidic, Ferdinand, Ronaldo. They don't look at me as the captain anymore. I'm not playing, you know what I mean? And he told me to keep it because he didn't want to give it to Vidic because of Ferdinand, Ronaldo because of Rooney and vice versa. Because of the personalities, he said, just keep it. It's easy for me to rotate it between you and Giggs and that was it. I felt embarrassed at the end. But you must have had a big role. It's still a big role on the other side. Listen, I play it down a bit, but there's after-field stuff at United. Oh, yeah. Dudes, tickets, bonuses, contracts for young lads.

55:50There is lots. And a lot of players don't want to do that stuff. And that's fine. But what happens, as you're playing one, two, three hundred games, it comes your way, doesn't it? You're like, a young lad comes to see you. You have to train. You want to help? You're not going to say no, are you? But deep down, you'll be going, I want to head away. But it just comes your way. Even Christmas stews. You can organise a Christmas stew for the families. You're like, honestly, you've got a big game. You have to do all that as well. We did a big family one. We did. We did. We did lots of functions. My wife would help, but we'd book places.

56:17I know you'd have a big game coming up, and you'd be like, a bit of a distraction, but that is part of the role. Yeah. It is. It's a lot of pressure. It wouldn't be like that now, though, that have people in positions to sort that, I think. I told you, the best one ever, and sometimes they can back for it. Again, United, the best one ever was sorting tickets out. I can't tell you the ticket stuff. You're not about winning. Forget matches, that was easy.

56:39Gary Neville: I tell you, I gave... Do you know something? So I got the captain's armband. All of a sudden, the 51 tickets that you got, which was 17 times 3. 17 were in the squad. So you had 5 subs, 11 players, 5 subs, 1 in the squad. So you had 17 lots of 3 tickets. Brilliant, man. Right? No word of a lie. So I got there. I love these guys. You imagine me pre-match, right? I'm doing my quick feet, me and Phil. You know what I mean? I'm doing my quick feet, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? I can't break my routine by someone coming over to me and asking me for tickets, right? So after about 3 weeks of being a captain and them coming over to me asking for tickets, I went, Giggsie, Giggsie, I can't fucking do this.

57:17Gary Neville: And literally, Giggsie looked after the tickets. I never once as captain did tickets after the three weeks. I thought, how the hell did he do that? I'm telling you now, you'd be going out of five to three, and I'd be on the phone to the ticket office trying to get tickets. Ten to three. Lads would come in, Lads would maybe left out, or Lads would might have been injured. There's people outside now. No, players come in and go, Lads who might have been injured or suspended. They come and go, last minute, go, you've got two tickets I'm playing in a minute I just got here to traffic and you're on the phone you're trying to get tickets sent down and you've got out in ten minutes I used to see him on the phone in the corridor asking for tickets with your kit yeah in the kit I'm ready to go I was brilliant my phone was like this we had Sky Sports News on in the dressing room players asking for tickets the injured players would come into the dressing room just talk it was like our dressing room I must say it was chaos it wasn't chaos but I used to have to go and sit in the toilet in the players lounge and just focus sometimes and just sit out the way of everyone.

58:13Gary Neville: It's had to just... Maybe it was a good distraction. Maybe it was one too focused on the... Do you know what? It's not recommended, but when I look back, now I do laugh in it. And because you look... And do you know what? They are the lads used to do before me. And I remember one time, when I was at Forest, Percy was doing the tickets and the lad asked for tickets at the last minute. Percy went, I forgot. And I ended up being a bust up. So when lads came to me with tickets and they were still... You do your best to help them out. Yeah, yeah. You never go, no, no. You'd ring up. And sometimes you go, no you can only get four you're short but the way the lads come up and honestly ten minutes there was a phone on the corridor at United and you'd be on it all sorts going on you're kicking off in ten minutes and you're shutting the tickets off for lads it was mad but there you were

58:52Ian Wright: it was always one of the most prominent things in addressing them when you got in was tickets there's always players you've got any spare you know spare I hated the ticket situation I always say to people if you not ask me by Thursday Friday morning the latest do not bother me after that I don't want Eric I've no patience or discipline for that type of thing but I did because I used to do it to Eric and Robbo and Brucey you used to last minute I'd be like people coming up to me last minute Irish people players so I used to do so when people come to me I've done it I've done it I can't see anything I'll have to do it so I always had a bit of tolerance for that and I just thought it was part of it do you know what you're on about the Arsenal jerseys it's like a tradition at United it's like chaos as you said the TV would be on horse racing we're going out in a minute chaos but brilliant and then we go and win yes it'd be easy for people not to be coming to the games I know that sounds bad I loved like my family and that being in there but when there wasn't anyone coming to the game it was quite nice as well or the you know after a match if you got beaten or you'd pick up no way if someone offered me a million pound to go in the lounge no way I'd not go to the lounge some of the times

59:59Gary Neville: I never went to the lounge after a game did you? I used to basically straight after a match go and get a shower and I just couldn't wait to get in my car in my car park and go home and have my Chinese it changed a little bit when Fabian signed remember Fabian was going out with what's her name? Linda Evangelista we started going in there then so you started going in to make sure she was settling in and that's how you used to look after the foreign players Fabian how many do you want? is she any friend? no I know boy I went to watch Oasis with Fabian and Linda well not necessarily with them both.

1:00:37Gary Neville: I went to a concert with me, Bex, Fabian Barthas and Linda Evangelista at the Apollo watching Oasis. I'm guessing she was very good looking. Stunning. Stunning. But all the other players' wives, obviously, not just her. Yeah. So you checked in with all of them. They all got our tickets. Right. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. We've got a thing here called Agony Ant. I don't know whether we're going to go on to this. We're going to carry on doing these. What's Agony Ant? Agony Ant is you ask, they answer. What's that mean? Yeah, getting advice off somebody. Are these real things?

1:01:17Let's have a look. Should I ask you one? Right. Well, you'd be a good Agony Ant. Right. For Christmas, my mother-in-law is coming to stay and my wife won't tell me how long she's staying for. In the past, she has stayed for nearly a month. How do I find out how long she's staying for and how do I get her to leave after a week?

1:01:38Gary Neville: Oh, my gosh. But, Jill, I would invite my mother-in-law to live with us if that's what it needed to be. I don't have any... My mother-in-law used to live with us, yeah. I want to show you, so, like, you know, if you're thinking about, like, wife, daughters, two daughters, immediate family, grandparents, they can stay at our house every day of their life if they want. I have no problem with that. OK. Beyond that might be a bit of a struggle. Yeah. But immediate, no, I have no problem with that. Well, what about this one that wants to get rid of them after a week? We need to give advice. Why would you want to get rid of them after...

1:02:08Gary Neville: I mean, I'd ask the question, why would you want to get rid of them after a week?

1:02:10Ian Wright: You know what the thing is? Why wouldn't she let her know how long she's staying in the first place? You know, you're going to someone's house, no matter how tight you are, if you're going to someone's house, you've got to let them know when you're leaving. You can't just like... It's just like... You're going like that with your missus. Fucking stay. Hey, what do you fancy? You know, it's like... Especially if they don't want tickets for a game. You've got to say something like, how long are you staying? Because next week, so let's say they come on the Friday. You say, oh, brilliant, brilliant to see you.

1:02:39Ian Wright: Stay as long as you want, but next week, next week, Friday, we're actually, we've got to go up to Somerset, or go down to Somerset or something. Yeah. You know what I mean? You're more than welcome to stay for the week, but, and then you just act like you're going to Somerset. So you think lie? Well, I probably, yeah, you should probably think lie.

1:02:53Gary Neville: But who has these mother-in-laws that they can't just be happy in the... Exactly. How can you not be in... If it's your wife's mother, you have to get on with that person. I have to get on with her. I have to love her.

1:03:06Ian Wright: I have to treat her as mine. My mother-in-law is amazing. She could stay as long as she wants. She's 83. She's still doing so much stuff.

1:03:15Gary Neville: I've got no choice. I can't fall out with that person. I've got to get on with that person. I wonder why they don't get on with them like that.

1:03:22Ian Wright: She's staying for a month. Just off the bat, gal. I wonder. Just you've got the clothes, so you've got to get clothes and everything. They haven't even got the clothes to say they're staying for a month. But you're staying for a month. So if they write in next week and basically tell us why they don't get on, then we'll fix that problem. Yeah, that's the answer. Go on, Jill. Right. My hair is starting to thin. Should I go to Turkey and get it done or shave it all off? Do you know what? This is actually a problem for women, too. My front bits are definitely... Mine's going there. I know.

1:03:52Gary Neville: Mine's going here.

1:03:53Ian Wright: Look how far you look at your hair like this, pulling, just straining it now. I've started spraying. Have you seen them fibres you can get? No. You can get this thing and it just sprays little hair fibres. I think that when... Like, he's going to... Is it a he or...? Well, it doesn't say. I'm guessing shave it all off, it's a he. Yeah, shave it off. I'm not going to tell him any different, am I?

1:04:11Gary Neville: OK. I think I'd look horrendous with a bald head. You should try it. You don't look great as it is now.

1:04:17Ian Wright: The thing is, guys, because... You've got a Frank Spencer hat like right here. You know what you do? Right, can I borrow your hat first?

1:04:24Gary Neville: It won't fit me. I do. Your head's small. It's a small head. Can we get Gary on AI? Can someone AI a bald Gary Neville, please? Yeah, go on. We need a bald Gary Neville. It's like an episode of, what's that programme you used to, All Right on the Night? What was it called? Yeah, I used to love that.

1:04:41Ian Wright: No, your one. No, my one was called Friday Night's All Right. There used to be one. Is this what it was like? It'll be all right on the night where things went wrong. I used to love those programmes.

1:04:48Gary Neville: Right, next one, Jill. Roy, I think you've done this a few times. So I'm the best man at a wedding in the summer. Any advice on writing the speech and public speaking? Should I write it myself or just rely on AI? Because if you've done it as your kids... You can't do AI for a best man speech. Don't even say that. It's tough. I did Bex's. That's when, with the best man. I was Bex's best man. Was you? Yeah.

1:05:13Ian Wright: With the best man, you have to go into that place. You're the best man. You've been with him in places. You've been tight. You've been close. Or any speech is hard, isn't it?

1:05:23Gary Neville: I think that's the most pressure I've probably ever been under in my life. The best man at Bex. Did it go well, though? I think I did a decent job. Have you still got a copy of it? 10, 15 minutes. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. You look like... He looks good. He looks good. You look like the guy who went from three to United. I like Maresca. He looks amazing.

1:05:42Ian Wright: I'm telling you what works. He was the guy who works with Jason Wilcox. He looks great. Oh, Barada. Omar Barada. You know something? You look like Omar. You look like somebody who works for FIFA who's just been asked about something that's gone wrong. Oh, my God. Infantino? Infantino, yeah. You look, see? You've got to keep your hair. Get it, show Emma. Honestly, I'm telling you, she'd be happy with that. No offence to Omar. Oh, that's not right, that. No, no, that looks good, I think.

1:06:06Gary Neville: Oh, no. That's definitely not right. What was the next question? Best man's speech. Best man's speech. You said you don't want to bex's one. I did a decent job, I think. I told a good job. We'd just beaten Bayern Munich in the Champions League final. So I told a rude joke that you wouldn't ever tell now, like 27 years later. Are you going to tell us? Are you going to tell us? Are you out-hawing it? It's a bit uncouth. Have you heard it? Can I say it? It's a great joke, do it. I said the Spice Girls wanted... Because the Spice Girls were all there, obviously. And I said the Spice Girls wanted the Bayern Munich team to come tonight to the event.

1:06:43Gary Neville: And I asked sort of why. He said, because any men that can stay on top for 90 minutes and still come second, they wanted to meet. You made that up yourself? I made that up myself, yeah. Did it get a laugh like that or was it an uncomfortable laugh? It was laughing their heads off, but, yeah, I feel a bit sick saying it now, you know what I mean? It's 2026, you know what I mean? It's a bit uncouth, but back then, the humour of, like, everyone thought it was really funny. No, that is funny. That is funny.

1:07:10Ian Wright: Yeah? But in respect of a best man's speech, it's just got to come from... I feel a bit sick. I feel a bit queer. If you can. That's the thing. Give him the advice. It's a bit uncouth, isn't it? It's not nice. I had done my daughter's, obviously, the father's speech a few months ago, and I thought, oh, can I get it with Ducky? Whatever. Gave Taylor a little bit of stick or whatever, and at the end, I went to a drink, and I said, happy birthday to him. So I fucking said, fucking... Is that nerves? Oh, yeah, definitely nerves. At the end? At the end, I went, yeah, happy birthday.

1:07:44yeah to the happy couple happy birthday they came over you know it's not her birthday I went did I say it I didn't even realise I said it until later on someone told me I went what do you want me to speak at your wedding yeah

1:07:54Gary Neville: why don't us three maybe don't make a joke about the Bayern Munich men's team on top for 20 minutes I did get some I got binoculars I write my speech with binoculars at the start you know because Tate Place was Southampton so you had to start with the binoculars That's actually funny. Did you have a knock on the door? That is funny. Jill, who's speaking at your wedding? No one at the party. You're more than welcome. Maybe we could do an overlap. Do you want us to do a little overlap? I like it.

1:08:25Ian Wright: I like it. Overlap. I'm going to go for it when I go to you. I'm going to have a few, I think. Can you have a dance? Oh, here we go. I know, but I don't just want you sat there all night with you, get up and dance. Are you going to have people keep coming round saying... What are you talking about? Can you imagine... I like watching people dance. I know, but can you have another dance? What's the problem? All right, so whoever... Do you know what I should do when people are dancing? Go over and people go, sit down. I love dancing. So why do you go over to people who are sitting out? They go, get up and dance.

1:08:55All right, if you go along to everybody who's not dancing, come over to me, no problem. But don't just come over to me and go, get up and dance. Okay, I'll go over to everyone. Just one dance. I'm not dancing. Next one, Jill. You're obsessed with me dancing. You're a good dancer. I'm an amazing dancer.

1:09:08Ian Wright: Only when you're in. Next one, Jim. Right, righty, this is probably for you out of all of us at the table. I wish I was more fashionable, but I worry my friends will take the piss. Do I just go for it and change my clothes all at once, or do I do it gradually? No, you do it gradually. The thing is, friends will always take the piss. Just go to wide pants, righty. Just go to wide pants. You know, the thing is, is that people don't understand that's the massive problem for a lot of people, whether they think it's funny or not. It's what people say. You're comfortable in it, obviously. But the thing is...

1:09:41Ian Wright: But why do you call Riley the stylist, truthfully? No. Because he's from London. What is it? Everyone from London, everyone thinks they're cool to dress. It's not. You are. But the thing is that you have to break through a phase of people digging you out, whether it's wearing this hat, wearing your glasses, whatever it is, you have to go through that phase. You have to be brave, Riley. You do, because, like, people... You should have seen... This is why I said, I'm going to wear these. You're going to see more of these. You should have seen the Frank Spencer, the shit that was coming through continually.

1:10:10Ian Wright: You don't mind that. Just because I'm wearing a hat, but I styled it. It's a beret. Yeah, wearing a beret. You know what I mean? And I got it so it comes on smaller. You just got to the face where you're like, that'll go in a couple of weeks, won't you? It'll be something different, won't you? But the hat? You know what I was wearing? You know the other hats I was wearing? The Dockers hats. Oh, I love them. I used to love them as a kid. You know, so I'm wearing those, but I thought, no, I just want to change. Beret, I used to have berets when I was a kid. I could never wear that.

1:10:34Gary Neville: sort of pull that off. I can't pull that off. I'm not bothered if people think I can pull it off or not.

1:10:38Ian Wright: That's where the bravery is, isn't it? Yeah, because that's where the bravery, that's what I would say to the person. You blast through the shit you're going to get because you're going to get it. Yeah. Simple as that. It's like, Gary, look, wearing baggy pants now. People digging you out and say, look at you in baggy pants. What are you giving it? Take risks, writer. Take risks. Wear baggy pants. Yeah. So be brave. Take risks. Get your baggy pants on. Get it done. Right, I'm 42 and I've moved to a new area and I don't have many friends locally. how do I make some?

1:11:04Gary Neville: You're not a man or a woman. You're not a 42, Jim. You're not a 42ist. You don't need to. I'm nearly 40. Do you need to make friends? I think so. Is it a man or a woman? I think that's what they're asking, how do I make some.

1:11:15Ian Wright: Is it a man or a woman? It doesn't say.

1:11:18Gary Neville: Do you know what you think you could do? Going to the local shops, you could also go to the gym and maybe start training with people. You could go to the shops, you can go to the local pub, maybe the local restaurant or something like that. You'll start to meet people naturally, but the idea of having too many people in your life and having to be blown. That's the thing about you. I love chatting to people. You know, if I go for a coffee... Your coffee shop, Jill. If I'm in London, I'll sit and I'll just go, are you having a good day? And I just have the most random conversations. I could see you living in...

1:11:47Would you live in London? I like to... I am there quite a bit, but I do like to be in for a few days and then... Yeah, well, but I do love London. I love it. I love the hustle-bustle. I always just walk around. Like, I love it. Yeah. make arrangements to meet at coffee shops and then you're not there. Yeah. No, you just went to the coffee shop and you didn't tell us.

1:12:06Gary Neville: We did. No, I went to the wrong one. Roy told you the night before. Yeah, the night before. Shelley was there. Yeah, as I was on a train to London, it was like breakfast tomorrow. We waited for you to get on the train for... Yeah, no, exactly. Community questions. Oh, no, keep going with those. Oh, how many more have we got? One more, do one more, then we'll finish.

1:12:24Ian Wright: OK. I'm having a good time. I'm just going to get in the car before I... Fucking, just ask questions. Cut it out if it doesn't work out. Right, I like a city break, but my husband wants to go away to a beach. How should we decide? We'll just take him to the city.

1:12:40Gary Neville: What do you like? What time of year is it? Exactly. I suppose if it's a beach, it'll be sun, won't it? I'd go to the beach in the summer and city in the winter. I mean, that would be the easiest thing. Is that a serious question? It's not even a hard question. Or, I've got a great answer. Well, if you'd be the opposite. Go to a city with a beach. Barcelona. Barcelona, Singapore, those types of places. It's the kind of question, can't they work that out themselves? You can go to places that have got... You did, Valencia. You were there for seven weeks. Are these real questions? Is someone really asking?

1:13:11Gary Neville: But you know something, Valencia is one of the most beautiful places. I went recently, I love it. And you've got basically sun. Yeah, go to a city with a beach. And be serious, how is the football doing in Valencia these days? Where are they on the table? I don't know where they are right now, actually. I don't hear much about them. Mid table. No. I don't hear much about them. Oh, second bottom, apparently.

1:13:30Ian Wright: They've never quite recovered. I'm not sure what happened. This is why I'm worried for United. Yeah. United, they will never recover. My two-year-old is struggling to sleep. Do you have any tips for getting her to sleep? Well, I looked after my nephew for two nights, yesterday and the night before, 18 months old, and literally I just put him in the bed with us and he slept for 12 hours. Why, did you talk about your career? LAUGHTER

1:13:59Yeah, that's exactly what I did. I was like, let's talk about it. No, he was so cute. Was he sweet? How old is he? 18 months. I just put him down, he cuddled his toy, then he grabbed my hand and he just went to sleep. He felt the love.

1:14:13Ian Wright: They feel it. Honestly, they feel it. So, I don't know. Put them in your bed. Yeah, but the thing is, with a two-year-old, they have to have a routine leading into that. if they haven't got a routine leading into that then they're just not they're just going to think that it's play time and mess around time you have to get them and say you've got to go to bed now put them in the bed, make them stay in the bed don't make them come into the bedroom otherwise they won't leave until they're fucking 12 so you've got to put them in the bed and you've got to let them understand this is where you sleep and so when they wake up, which they'll do a few nights they'll do that, then you go back in and you let them know they're really upset take them off for a bit of fresh air if you can Yeah, but then you let them understand this is their place of sleep.

1:14:55Ian Wright: That's what you've got to do. Routine, routine, routine. It's very difficult because you feel so for them because you're crying and they want you. You've got to get past that, otherwise they're going to cause you problems. We'd be good on the agony aunts, wouldn't we? Yeah. I think we should do that. Harmonica. The harmonica. Can you imagine getting up? Yeah, you play the harmonica. You're going to start doing it, Roy. Well, I just have a little mess with it. It would be great when your grandkids cry.

1:15:16Gary Neville: I love it when Bruce Springsteen plays the harmonica. Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan. I think it does

1:15:21Ian Wright: see Stevie Wonder I'll do it a little bit

1:15:23Gary Neville: yeah but

1:15:24Ian Wright: Stevie Wonder played it as well he's on tour is he a little sound you said you've seen him haven't you I have seen him it was a tough one you know what it was one because like you wanted the you wanted the stuff the real he's top stuff and he was giving us other kind of we got good news he's retired from going on tour Rod Stewart what good news that is wow don't worry should have done it 20 years ago absolutely Absolutely. He's announced, I heard that the other last week. He's waited three years to have a got Rod Stewart on this show. I heard that video. He stopped touring. I'm like, I'm in the car screaming.

1:15:58Yes.

1:16:00Ian Wright: Wow, right. Don't look right. Now you can go to more Celtic games. You know what, it's really, I remember going to, I remember seeing him at Wembley once and who? Rod Stewart. Sure. And I remember, I'm thinking to myself, he's out of touch. He just starts singing a couple of lines. Everyone sings the song for him. It's a great gig, that isn't it? It's an amazing gig. He's kicking footballs into the crowd and everything. What year was that right? Are you going back donkey? Oh yeah man I went back I went to see at least then he was younger but he was he was good though his voice I love his voice back then 30 years ago we were good players 30 years ago we're not anymore are we?

1:16:33How old is he now? At some stage you've got to let it go he's got to be he's got to be 80 something I'm going to say 112 you know man hey he's 81 81 81 he's done well he's announced his retirement he's done well from touring That must be... He did cancel about 60 gigs in the last two years, you know, when he wasn't feeling well.

1:16:54Ian Wright: Let's stop. Let's go Roy's going now. Let's stop. Oh, no. Next night, he's at a Scotland match. That's my point. Forget the people who've travelled thousands of miles. This is one here. I'm 81. Work is getting a little bit tough.

1:17:09Gary Neville: Work for 65 years, non-stop. I'm 81. I wear skinny jeans. When should I start wearing skinny jeans, Rod? About 30 years ago, pal.

1:17:19Ian Wright: and stop showing your chest with a medallion. Yeah, and someone call my boots. Leave him alone. Leave him. Leave him. Right. Well, on that note. We always finish on that note, don't we? I love that. I'm Maggie, yeah. Are we doing a picture? What are we cool? Yeah.

1:17:36Gary Neville: Well done, everybody. That was a good one. Hey, we've done well. We didn't need no guests, gal. We never needed guests. What a great set of agony aunts we are. We are brilliant. I've really enjoyed that.

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