Martinez’s United Outburst, Gerrard’s Wirtz Warning & City’s Title Dilemma | Stick to Football EP 153

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1:31Gary Neville: They coming in? They coming now, Gary. Excellent. They're just doing the corridor question. The corridor can? Yeah. Best front three of all time. Do you know something? The best front three of all time? Yeah. United was Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo. Yeah. but I know Liverpool's just Firmino Salah and Mane do you reckon that's better than ones before Liverpool but do you know something the best front three of all time you've got beat 7 they'll buy them let's I'm going to see what they all say when they come in I'm going to see what they all say when they come in show all these messy name are Suarez that's the best front three of all time easily yeah it is

2:14Ian Wright: coming on the side you see that that's how you have to come in. That's how my uncle used to come into the house. What's that mean, G-Force?

2:20Gary Neville: Yes, Ian, how are we? Hey, look at that. There you go. Oh, God, why is my mouth so wide open? I got you on the front cover of 442. Thanks, Gary. I've never had that before. Not loaded, not GQ, not Forbes, 442. So, who's from 442 here? Yeah, but you like that sort of stuff, you know me? It'll go down well, don't worry.

2:44Ian Wright: Oh, look, it's lovely. I love how them questions, Royce, is my answers are wrong when it's just an opinion. You know the...

2:52Gary Neville: Yeah, but Roy doesn't agree with anybody else's opinion. Have you not worked that out in the three weeks? Oh, yeah, I've worked that out. Am I here? You happy? Do you look at your... Yeah, I like it, but have you seen Jamie's picture?

3:02Ian Wright: What one? He looks possessed.

3:04Gary Neville: Let's see. He is possessed, have you not? Yeah. He's a crazy guy. It's actually funny. Let me see. Right, you look a million dollars. No, I don't. Look at Gary. Gary looks so... Wow. My mum would be happy. Show me. Show me my picture, Gilles. You look good. No, not great. You look good. Not happy. Who did you say is your front three? I need a drinking time. So I said Beckham, Giggs and Paul. Who did you say is your front three? Mane, Firmino, Salah. Oh, it's not a bad shot.

3:32Ian Wright: Oh. You know, I went with... A little bit of bias going in there.

3:36Gary Neville: I went with Neymar, Messi and Suarez. It is absolutely Messi, Neymar and Suarez. Thank you very much, Gary. Yeah, no, I get that. It is, it is.

3:43Ian Wright: Thanks, Gal.

3:44Gary Neville: I thought I'd be biased. I was manager of Valencia when they beat 7-0 and Messi, Suarez and Neymar were the front three and he left them on the whole game. I think he might have brought one of them off a couple of minutes before the end. I have never seen speed and connection and combinations and attacking play like it, ever. And to be fair, Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez for a period were devastated on counter-attacks.

4:08Ian Wright: I saw the other day as well, I saw some link-up with Messi. magnificent

4:13Gary Neville: yeah great

4:14Ian Wright: Barcelona team was scary yeah

4:16Gary Neville: yeah but you forget international teams Brazil in the 70s or 82 Zico was it Rivaldo Ronaldo and Ronaldinho this is what I said that question is a bit more respect

4:29Ian Wright: because it's too quick I said that to him I said now I'm going to have to go over the top of my head yeah but there's quick fire

4:34Gary Neville: so I get up at quarter to four in the morning oh there you go and I get a voice note and I'm like that's weird that's not right ten past three in the morning. I thought, something's really bad happened there. I'm sorry, Steve. No, no, no. You can't try. No, no, no.

4:47Ian Wright: We left him short. It was eventful. It was eventful. It's probably the worst nightmare you'd have once you've done it. If I had known that, I wouldn't have slept. But did you definitely mean you've got a spare room for me if it happens again? Of course. Yeah, absolutely. You know what? You should have phoned me on a second. Two minutes, let me phoned me. You know what? I said to Jill, I had a period, like a 30-second period, and I'm thinking, Cara's going to jump out here. or they've got me on a USB, what is it, make or bumped or... But yeah, 20 minutes and then he told me... Do you know the company getting too big too fast?

5:19Oh, shit. And they're forgetting about the little details. You're right. It's a little hotel.

5:23Ian Wright: And my tank's here. Roy, you're right. It's nothing to do with that. Wow. You know something? I was thinking, what's this going on? Company.

5:30Gary Neville: Exactly. Everything. So basically, right, Roy is interpreted, right, so basically someone's not showing up at a hotel till 3.30 in the morning, the hotel then gets to 12 o 'clock, they get someone offering them their final room and they go go on we'll take it he's not coming yeah well probably more you can probably get a lot more at that time of morning so sometimes your best rates you get in a hotel is when someone comes in a little bit drunk and says have you got a room left and you say yeah but we've only got one left for a thousand pounds and they pay it and hotels do that and they've sold your room thinking you're not turning up and that's I guarantee that that's okay by the way that's fine that happens to probably a lot of people but I stood there for 20 minutes and he's messing with his new mouse and he's going dick ticked You're on your advert, you know, and you're tapping the phone.

6:11The fella's doing this with the mouse and clicking the button. You know, it's like that advert where you see where the... He goes to me, can I just take your deposit? And I'm... Why are you paying for it, though? Exactly. No, in case they had any extras on the room. Me mate does the same with the other guy. You know, it's like... Oh, but somebody who booked your room should have said, he's going to be getting late. He will be late. I've got the confirmation, and it says on the confirmation, late arrival.

6:34Gary Neville: No. Late arrival, it said, late arrival. Yeah. We debunked everything. Late arrival, coming late on. We've actually got a full apology. Who's fault, is it? The treatments I get in Manchester, innit? Was it under your name? Wow, it was terrible, Steve. Stevie. What's it? Right, they've got previous. Kieran, did you come? This is your bag. Kieran, did you come? Kieran, where's your game? Go, previous. I take personal responsibility. Remember you dragged me to Geneva somewhere. We'd done a little gig. Oh, yeah, it's true. That wasn't me. In the hotel. It was my hotel room, wasn't it? It was my room.

7:06Gary Neville: Yours was booked. It was mine. Oh, no, you swapped over. The principal was one of the rooms. There was only one room. Yeah, it was my room, yeah. What happened that time? This is a nice one. I'm out of here. I'm not Geneva. Oh, my gosh. Kieran. We did everything. They even emailed back saying, we know he's coming late. I was in Sicily two weeks ago, and no word of a lie. I won't mention the airline. They overbooked by... It was a problem because Mount Etna erupted. So, basically, they were pushing everyone to different airports. They overbooked by 31 people. Wow. There were 31 people. That's not right, is it?

7:39Gary Neville: Oh, my God. Oh, but they fly with 31 people. The best part of the final story, anyway, is they didn't have a house key either, so when I drove an hour back to Liverpool, they didn't have a house key. Knock someone up. Oh, my God. How did that go? You're in the garden. That's the worst. Wasting your voice, nobody that way. He slept in the garden. Is that usually modern scotter? No, I was going to throw stones. You have to throw stones at the shoe. No, I had that on a flight before, and it was just me and a girl, and they were like, only one of you can go, and I felt so bad and we were just waiting to see which name came up on the computer and it was mine.

8:11And if I hadn't had to be back for work, I would have let her go.

8:14Gary Neville: So you left her behind? I wouldn't. Yeah, well, I wasn't... What? I didn't know her. I didn't know her. I was just so stupid, I did feel bad. What's this girl? But why did they overbook them? Why did they do that? So basically, Catania, the airport, you couldn't fly from there, so there's another airport in Sicily called Palermo and there's other ones on the Italian mainland. and so what they'd done is everybody going back to England or everywhere was being diverted to different sort of airports and they literally just overbooked you. Wow. And there was an American woman, no, she would not move at the front.

8:44Gary Neville: She said, I'm getting on this flight. It got cancelled. Yes, she was going crazy and I felt sorry for her. It's stressful, isn't it? I said, she was number 18 in the queue out of 31 and I said, you're just not going to get on it? I said, I don't know what to do. Aww. Did you get on yours? Believe it or not, I got a seat booked. If you didn't have a seat booked, you were done. Oh, nice. Yeah. It said a signed seat at the desk or whatever on her ticket, and she was done.

9:07Ian Wright: Travelling's getting more stressed, doesn't it? Travelling. Saying that, I went to Paris, man. Call me airport, Steve. Call me airport, Steve. She gets stressed. Honestly, the Euro star. I get angry and stressed. Lucky I don't. I saw a picture of beauty of the day. Yeah. I need to get that out, actually. Why? I'm seeing it. What is it? I'm seeing it. So what do you want me to do? Exactly, Ian. Right, I'm going to get this up. I know, why are you looking me up? No, you're looking. You said, what's up? Because you didn't tell me, bro. I'm worried about you. There's a gist of it. No, I... The guy was a pest.

9:39Ian Wright: Oh. Is this something that someone... Yeah, I saw it. They posted it and said that Roy Keane weren't happy or something. There we go. Keane experience. Keane experience, I see. Keane experience. See, and that's why I asked if you smiled. What's funny about that? What am I supposed to do? Do a dance for people? Just a little smile. You need glasses. You need glasses. Extra layer of security. No, there's shouting. You want to do it. You're shouting. Oh, Lord, you're like, what are you shouting my name for? Just come over and be polite. And another ten come over. He brings people.

10:03Gary Neville: Here we go. He knew what game he was playing. I spotted Keanu in Cork Airport, ranted at me calling him Mr Keanu out loud because, quote, don't you think I'm trying to be discreet wearing a fucking cap? I don't think I swore. Then ended up being two rows in front of me on the fly. Exactly. And then take a picture of you on the flight. Is that what you did? Is that on the fly? No, the back of the head. The other picture, the little picture.

10:32Ian Wright: The one where you can see his hat, and he's hiding the hat. Oh, no, that's poor, that. There you go, Gary.

10:35Gary Neville: That's poor form, that part. How does that make you hate you, though? Because the guy... See, if you do that, though, in the Middle East, you're done. Big trouble. Wow. Big trouble. What's that, can you pitch with someone? When I first arrived in Saudi, no, when you put your little small bags through the extra layer of security, the guy takes us, like, picture, week, week in jail. At the airport? For security? We need rules like that. Wow. Well, he went straight to the straight line. To stop this. Gosh. Yeah, not a week. Ten years in prison for that. That's quite brilliant. That's quite... No, but the guy wanted to make a scene.

11:10Gary Neville: Yeah, yeah. Listen. Righty, a little sad happening, wasn't it, this week, Arsenal?

11:14Ian Wright: You know something? Terrible news, Ken Fryer. I remember when I... Obviously, he's been there. The story of Ken Fryer being there, what, since he was 12. He started working at Arsenal. 92, he died. The rest is sold. 80 years. You know, he was the one that used to take me to the hearings, you know, the disciplinary hearings. You know what I mean? He was busy. He was very busy. But, like, I remember when I first signed and he was telling me what I can achieve here if I just be myself in the Arsenal way. Because everything about him was steeped in Arsenal and I remember he'd come with me and afterwards I'd get fined and he'd always give me a Werther's, you know, Werther's mint.

11:51Ian Wright: So don't worry about it. Just keep doing, just keep playing where you come. Was he club secretary right now? He was, yeah. when he started yeah he started in the ticket office right and he built all the way we've heard his name mention you know something he is one of the greats he's one of those people in a football club that's been in a football club and everything the football club is steeped in that's what he represents so for someone like him to go it's devastating news to a lot of people amazing man he put a great tribute on last night it's fantastic honestly nice touch what he means to the club what he means to the club is very hard to try and put into words yeah

12:31Gary Neville: So, we're going to start with Manchester United. Only Manchester United could drag Manchester City off the top of the top. We can't talk about City, right? The City owners are hoping that someone from United do so. Take the deflection of... We've grabbed defeat from victory. I mean, we're going to go straight to it. We might as well just start with Lissandro Martin and his comments last night.

12:58Gary Neville: should a player I mean the fans this morning Manchester United fans a lot of them are happy that he's spoken out because it's the sort of a lot of their feelings that the top don't invest enough that the players the squad isn't strong enough so they're supportive of it are we supportive of it from a point of view from a different aspect from a player's point of view a coach's point of view it's unhelpful it's unhelpful I would say

13:21Ian Wright: you know what I was going to say Roy it depends on on his motives. Why do it now for a start? even if there was, you can try and say, who are you going to sign in January? You know, United are going to need to do well this season so they can buy players in the summer which is going to be tough for them anyway because they're going to need to get into the Champions League so you can attract that player. But I can't understand why in October you're saying something when nothing can change. What's the benefit of him doing this? Now, you look at him and you think to yourself, if he's that person, there's two ways I think it can pan out.

13:54Ian Wright: if he's that person that right I want to dig in I want to play for United they stuck behind me I've been injured for over 100 games and they stuck with me I'm going to be one of those players that stays on the journey that brings United back so when you look at somebody who's up at the end of the season he's saying something like that it's almost like throwing in throwing in a grenade like I say there's two scenarios for him here either he's going to stay and help United through or he's going to go I don't know why and what the benefit of him coming out and saying that now as much as of course the fans are going to love it It's everything the fans want to hear from a player, a leader in the dressing room, World Cup winner, talking about stuff like that, what stuff that they are...

14:30What right have we got to say what a player should and shouldn't say? No, I'm not saying what we should and shouldn't say. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I'm just saying that's what players do. He comes out with a lot of doing it on the TV, live after games, are going to do on social media. Who are we to say what players can and can't say? There'll be some fans thinking, it's great, there'll be other fans saying, oh, you're letting the team down, particularly a player who's not been at his very best, the team is struggling. he's only played 80 games himself

14:52Ian Wright: yeah but Stevie said what's the you know for somebody yeah I get it I don't but I don't see the benefits but also I would look the other way and go if a player wants to get something off his chest who we'd just sit there and go players can't say because the modern player they seem to if they don't do it on the TV they'll do it through different avenues social media through their agents

15:11Gary Neville: but that's devastating last night Roy isn't it for the club it's not good yeah it's not good it's for the club just let me ask you a question if you're the manager if you're Michael Carrick now and you obviously I've got a player who's criticised the board, he's criticised the sporting director.

15:25Ian Wright: He hasn't criticised the players on Michael. No, but he has.

15:29Gary Neville: This is the big problem I do have with it. So I have a problem with it. Wayne Rooney made a statement back in 2010 where he said that basically the club weren't ambitious enough around signing players. To me, that is a direct criticism of his teammates, saying that they're not good enough because they should be signing more players. So when Lissandro Martinez says... So I've got a problem with it from a player's perspective. we made to be fair me and Giggs he spoke with us the morning after he apologised to all the players and he apologised publicly because we said why are we not good enough in the dressing room do you not think we're good enough to win the league now obviously he was talking about ambition to sign new players that is a direct attack on the players that you're playing with so when Martínez says they should have brought more players in he's directly attacking his teammates so if I was a player this morning if I was Bruno Fernandes and I was Harry Maguire and the other senior players I'd be absolutely fuming with him because he's basically saying that some of us shouldn't be here and we should be bringing more players in.

16:18Gary Neville: That's what I think he's saying. Do you think it was premeditated? Because I think Wayne was talking yesterday and he said that, he thinks. Because I was having a cup of tea and I was actually shocked when he did the interview because I thought it was an opportunity. I thought Man United actually played all right, to be honest. They missed a few opportunities in the first half and he said it was a really poor performance. Why was he shocked? Because I just thought it wasn't the right timing to do that. I think it just puts more heat on the club. It's very unusual to have a go. I've never heard ever, to be fair, I can't think of one.

16:50Gary Neville: We've never really heard of him speaking. No, but I've never heard a player ever have a go at a sporting director before. Usually the owners or sometimes their own players or the manager. I've never heard of him have a go at a sporting director. That tells me that the senior players are talking about this stuff, though, as a group. Just reflection. I'm just thinking it doesn't help Michael on the eve of playing Leeds at the weekend. It's more negative. It tells me that they're not aligned as a club. I think it reflects when the clubs are. Obviously chaos there, turning into a bit of a circus. But at the same time, I agree a little bit with Roy where sometimes if a player comes and does an interview and it's robotic and he just says straight back to every question, we say, you know, they're not honest enough, they're boring, blah, blah.

17:25So I admire the fact that he's tried to be honest and open. He's actually tried to protect Michael Carrick in a way, but he's made a bigger mess. But the first thing you do after, when you go through a difficult spell at United, the issue I have with certain players saying certain things, we'll go, you always have to sat with the man in the mirror. Are these lads on the top of their game? Sometimes you say that when you've won a few games, going we could have had a stronger squad we could have maybe but when you're on the back of some defeats and they're struggling and all the stats aren't good for them that's again I also think I also think it's a comment for behind the scenes isn't it if you're really thinking that and it's hurting you that much just go and see Jason Wilcox or go and see Jim Ratcliffe go and speak to him behind closed doors and just get it off your chest might be a soft why do you have to this has come from a player who's only played 80 games from Man United he's not played 3, 4, 500 games he goes do you know what he gives a go away every week well obviously that's on top of it that's on top of all where he's coming from you go listen that's where I go look at the man in the mirror before he starts coming up with all these comments go back to at least start playing well yourself thank you so that's just two things

18:28Gary Neville: one should he say it and is it helpful I think and then there is depends on his motives then do we do we disagree with the words I don't think we disagree with the words he said because actually we all thought United should sign more players in the summer we all thought it should sign more defenders we all thought we've got to be careful my point is a player should and should do we can go through all of us here as players we've all done and said something we probably look back and go that could have been better all of us every one of us do you know something for me sometimes it's the stature Salah last season if you remember came out against Slott didn't he Ronaldo came out a few years ago I remember against the club you saw sometimes the stature of a player a player that's actually to be fair got a real carry in the dressing room I think that sometimes you can get away with it a little bit if it's a player that to be fair he gives a goal away into Tottenham I think he was involved in both goals being given away last night, to be honest with you.

19:16Gary Neville: He gives the goal away. I think he's involved in the goal at Fulham, I think, as well. Yeah, no-one's going to disagree with that. My point is he's given the goals away all the time, and you come out and say that, it's like... I think there's always a motive.

19:26Ian Wright: That's what I'm saying, Steve. As cynical as it might sound what I'm saying, I think that he's...

19:29Gary Neville: Do you think he's asked for a new contract and they've said no or something?

19:31Ian Wright: Maybe, or he himself may want to move on. Because I cannot see why he's doing that now, bringing all that in, because now he's got to play consistently well. I think it might be a combination of both. You don't know what it is. That's what I'm saying. It's intriguing. I find it very intriguing simply because why now?

19:48Gary Neville: Right, you're at a club. I'll come to all of you separately. Start with you, right? You're a manager of the football club right now. He's come out and done that last night. He's criticised the owners. He's criticised the sporting director. He's effectively said we're not good enough by saying the squad's not good enough. I want more players, which is a direct attack on the squad. It is, whichever way you look at it. How do you deal with that moving forward? I'll certainly have a chat with him over next year or two and just say, listen, I might agree with you, but your timing wasn't great, whatever it might be.

20:16I think Michael's quite calm, isn't he?

20:18Gary Neville: Yeah, definitely different temperament. Do you play him on Sunday? Does he miss a game or two for that, or does he stay? Michael will speak to people around him and above him as well, won't he? He'll get some guidance, I should imagine. If you don't play him, it adds more noise to the situation. I would just squash it. Look, it's being said, there'll be other news coming out. What if he doesn't want to apologise, though? What if he actually doubles down? and that's when it's a problem. Years ago they used to try and terminate players' contracts when they've said something. That's what they used to do.

20:48Ian Wright: But it depends on his real... Does he really feel that the people upstairs and everything that's going on is not good enough because he wants to see Man United back where they were? Or is he just stirring up a pot and knows that the fans are going to back him? To get Man United back to where you think they should be near the top of the table is to start defending better. As you said, it is October. What are they going to do? They can't do it until January. you're not going to get top players in January and some of his criticism you're all about his teammates but are the lads who've come into the club who are supposed to be settling into the club and these senior players are supposed to be helping them even all this new midfield stuff and the balance isn't right but senior players when you come to you're supposed to embrace these lads you're supposed to help them if they're not up to it they're not up to it but you're supposed to try and help them you know what as well Roy you have to look at Man United and what they're trying to sign he's had a dig at Jason Wilcox and you know you can't tell me Jason Wilcox is not trying to get the players the best players Do you know what I mean?

21:39Ian Wright: They spent money. They're trying to get those players.

21:41Gary Neville: I thought it was really strange to have a go to Jason Wilcox, not because he's above criticism, but the budget is not going to be set by Jason Wilcox at the football club. The budget's going to be set by the owners. And if he's saying he needs more players to come in, it was obvious they needed more defenders. He'd be probably one of the first on the sort of chopping block if there was going to be players. But why does every team, every time we're having a difficult spell, we're talking about Liverpool, need more players? United said she'd be doing better than what they're doing. Yeah. Okay, they're behind Arsenal.

22:07They haven't got the strength in the Alps. he's sitting but you still should be doing better lads you go back to basics as well and sometimes you have to have a meeting with players and go lads yeah there's lots going on the club we're not happy with things above us but we can be doing better

22:20Gary Neville: go back to that you always say it's about players if you look at just the two direct rivals City and Arsenal Arsenal have got at left back Hinncapier Califiori and Louis Skelly United last night Aidan Evans playing at left back when Luke Shaw's out which is just I mean Aidan Evans he's willing you know City have got Gvardiol and Nico O 'Reilly the gulf in difference of depth of quality is incredible we know that but we've been saying that for the last Elliot Anderson exactly we've been saying that for the last year or two no but what I'm saying to you is when he says we need to bring more players and he's not wronging what he says I get that but they still need to be doing better they still need to be doing better go back to that Michael's big problem as well is that's coming from one of his senior players so that'll be alarming him that you know normally when you're a coach or manager you need your senior of your players there where you're aligned on the same page, same beliefs, you know, trying to create a culture.

23:13So that would be the biggest problem.

23:14Gary Neville: Do you feel undermined? If you're the manager last night and your player goes out and does that, I think, would you feel undermined as a manager that you've not got control of the dressing room and you feel like it's a bit chaotic and out of control? It would definitely cross your mind but I think the character that Michael has known when I played from England, he won't want to make this any bigger than it is. He'll want to put the flame out if you like and I think as a coach you want it to go away and focus on leads. you know you don't need to but wouldn't it be nice if Carrick came out in the next few days and actually showed another side to him because we're all sitting there going that's not his nature he'll come up and show the other side going listen we won't tolerate that again do you think he knew he should no he can come up and go we're not going to tolerate that why he needs to focus on as being a really good defender and get some clean sheets and then move on we go alright okay I think a strong statement could be needed very very rapid can I be honest the best statements are football results yeah go to Leeds and win whatever get something get a clean sheet do something because even last night you're going, for all the chatting, your goal don't have to 50 odd seconds.

24:11Now, is that down to the recruitment of summer?

24:13Ian Wright: You know, you look at Michael, I would have preferred Michael Carrick to come out and say, sincerely, Sandro, because you look at Michael Carrick and everybody's saying he's a dead man walking as a manager, he's going to go in January. He might as well go. You look at the managers like Deserby and even like Mourinho, you know, Mareska, they would call these people out. I think Ole, Ole done it. Ole called him out. If I'm Michael Carrick, I'd probably call him out because you know that at some point you might go with something. Do you know what though? A few have done that and they've just been gone.

24:43Michael probably wants to stay and make something good but he wants to probably win it back. He wants to try and... Do you think he can though? This is what I'm saying. Gary, do you think he can? The lads will know more than me but I don't think it's Michael's style to be volatile. But I think it'd be nice the next few days if he did come up and just say... No, just go, that wasn't good enough. Yeah, listen, we want to keep that in the dressing room. It's out now but we need to focus on being a team that can compete and keep clean sheets and also they've lost a bit of a goal trail there's lots of things in a football pitch they need to sort out and give him a slap on the wrist and go listen that's unacceptable we move on Is there a bit of frustration because like why did Kuna not play yesterday I'm actually a big fan of his I know he's played like seven games and then is there a bit of frustration that he has to be rested

25:26Gary Neville: I think he just tried to be foot he played Belieber Telemans but surely he plays that game and Santos he tried to I think he just tried to get things a bit more the game wasn't great the standard of the game wasn't great anyway but it was always going to be a struggle to get. But I thought United had chances in the first half. They could have had to play. They'd let it go to chances. United aren't like that. It's going to be, they're going to create stuff. But he never said this after Tottenham when he made the mistake with Solanke, did he? No.

25:49Ian Wright: No. You know what I mean? No. It's like, just shut your mouth, shut your mouth, defend, play. Exactly. Solanke ragdolled him. That's what he should be worried about. It's interesting that Romero,

25:58Gary Neville: who obviously was playing for Atletico Madrid last night, said something very similar at Tottenham at the end of last season, didn't he? It's a pattern, isn't it? Because he wanted away.

26:04Ian Wright: Exactly. Yeah, I mean, and listen, he made plenty of mistakes last time as well. Don't think he's all of a sudden bringing the thing. Yeah, but he's where he was. He was giving the ball away cheaply where United should have scored on the back of certainly two goals. He was just getting red cards, weren't he? But last time he was just giving the ball away cheaply in midfield. I don't think it was a red yesterday. No, no, no. Recently, some of the red cards have been, like the Liverpool one, there's never been red. Correct, you're correct. No, I actually... Was that on there, Gary? It was, they were just soft.

26:31I can't think the Luke Shaw one. We go back to our time. We were on about City last week. Sometimes these dress rooms, we think, that's big news. Maybe they'll come in this morning, the next year or two. And I go, he's a little rant.

26:41Gary Neville: Players move on quickly as well. Do you think the players will be... Do you believe the players... I mean, look, they're already going through a nightmare spell. They can't win a football match. The pressure on them is big. Do you honestly believe the players in that dress room this morning are welcoming that statement? Or do you think they're sitting there and thinking... I'm not saying they're giving them a thumbs up, but they're also probably going, you know, we've got... We're struggling to win football matches. Let him have his little rant. I don't think he'd be a big falling out. Because I think we've question marks over this dressing room.

27:07I don't think there's enough characters, enough men in there. Anyway, we know that. And when players are coming up with comments like that... If that was you, if that was you though... But I don't see him... You mentioned his senior. I don't see him as a senior player at Man United. I see him as a centre-half who's making lots of mistakes. He's had a little rant. World Cup win. Yeah, that's at international level. He's played 80 games for Man United. He's not been there eight, nine years. Does he respect anybody in that dressing room.

27:29Ian Wright: Oh, God. He doesn't look like he respects maybe Bruno. What are you doing in the next training session? No, that's you. If you didn't like that, that's the issue that it could cause because it could ruffle a few feathers. Do you not see? Yeah, when you're talking about that, but I hope that's there all the time. I hope there's an edge to training anyway. Put it this way, if a centre-half is talking like that and then he's starting to train a session and you'll be looking and you'll be going, well, you better start keeping the sheet. I'm just thinking, if Gary said that, I think you'd go through him.

27:52No, no. I can't To be fair Neb probably wouldn't have said Something like that I would never have said Look Steve said Would you tackle In training That's why it's bad Because you don't say But we never But you have to stop all that Right We have to stop all that Before it gets to that stage I heard players at United The last few years Going Oh we've got to sort things up You kind of You sort it out before You need sorting out If that makes sense You train properly With an edge There may be meetings

28:15Gary Neville: Internally that you'd have Where you'd say things And things to be said Once you say something Publicly like that Look The only people who I think will enjoy this will be the fans because they're getting a real insight into what part of the dressing room thinks. That's wrong, no. Let me stop in your tracks a second there. So you're on about United's senior players. Let's give an example. Over the last three or four months, they're senior players. We class Bruno as a senior player, don't we? We class... Maguire. Maguire as a senior player. The last few months, so this reflects where Man United are and his dressing room is.

28:45Maguire gets left out of the England squad. Big. He's all upset with that. he goes so the players mindset at Man United at this moment in time you're not about competing and trying to get back to the top Maguire gets that upset he says but instead of rolling his sleeves up during the summer I'm going to go to New York and do a podcast for a few weeks right that's his mindset I kind of made a mistake here with Bruno on this programme Bruno goes on a a podcast with your mate no what's his mate what's that like yeah what's that programme no what's that programme listen to this so he's the captain of Man United he goes on there has a little dig of me No problem.

29:19He's entitled to respond. And what's the programme called? Diary of a CEO. Diary of a CEO. So that's a mindset of a Man United player. I'm going to start doing these little gigs instead of getting Man United competing at the very top. So this idea, when I see a player have a little bitch the last few days, I'd be more than I'd like to Maguire and Bruno for getting things off their chest on podcasts. And what's it called? Diary of a CEO.

29:43Gary Neville: Don't put people off coming on as guests on podcasts. Oh no, but you get your priorities. You get your priorities in place. Cancel Harry next week. Harry Maguire's cancelled next week. I hear you, I hear you, man. Get your priorities as a footballer. But I always think as a club, like, what happens? We always had the motto, like, you just keep everything in-house. Like, I don't... There's a gun. I know, but... There's social media, but you know what happens as well? There's another site. Diallo says something as well, though, doesn't he? Diallo says something on a comment. Oh, yeah. I think, look...

30:12That would annoy me even more than the interview, I think. What did he say? You're allowed to swear on you. Yeah. Yeah. That performance was a fucking disgrace or something. But do you know what happened? I talk about your own performance. We've seen magazines. Back in our day, it was more magazines than podcasts. But if a player kind of went up and said something, even silly, he'd come into the dressing room, and lads would go, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? And you put him in a space in that sense. Not a big bust-up.

30:35Gary Neville: As you say, Roy, we've waned in 2010, because we saw it as a direct attack on the dressing room. And it was. And he shouldn't have done it. So we basically just said, look, apologise to the players, apologise publicly, and he did, to be fair to him. And I think this morning, maybe Martins could just say, lads, I'm sorry, I was emotional. I can't say that about the team. I love the squad here. I think, you know, et cetera, et cetera. However, just going back through what he said, let's just look at the pattern over the last seven or eight years of things that have been said by players or managers at Manchester United.

31:04Gary Neville: Because I don't think you can disagree wholly. It was strange what he said about the sporting director because he doesn't set the budget. He seems to me, if he's having to go at the sporting director, he's having to go at the quality of the player the sporting director has brought in. which I think would be a direct attack on the lads in the midfield. So, Ralph Rangie said, you don't need glasses to see and analyse where the problems are. It's now, how do we solve them? It's not enough to do minor armaments, cosmetic things. In medicine, you say this is an operation of the open heart.

31:30Ian Wright: Wow. Sorry, Amrim. Open heart surgery is talking about there for United.

31:36Gary Neville: Yeah, so Louis van Gaal. The problem begins with, of course, Manchester United was never refreshed. I think when you're a manager, you have to refresh every year to keep the team building process. I didn't get the players that I wanted, and that's the problem. So that's another manager. But I'm just saying, these are manager after manager. Ronaldo, I've got a Ronaldo quote here from somewhere. Ronaldo interview, yes, it's not only the coach though, which is what, to be fair, Lissandro Martinez said, it's the other two or three guys around the club I felt betrayed. Honestly, I don't know, I don't care, people should hear the truth.

32:05Gary Neville: The club has not evolved at all, the progress was zero. So again, that's a big player. Ronaldo, Lissandro Martinez, Ralph Ranić, Louis van Gaal, I think there's a Mourinho one here somewhere. I've got more cars than... Nev, but that's not the club we'd know. So when you're talking like that, that's that Man United that we knew. We were united. There was a togetherness. The ups and downs. There's a pattern of criticism here, Royal. That's my point. Obviously not together. It is chaotic there from the top to the bottom. We see that. I said this a few weeks ago. We go to our match days and I don't like the feeling around the club.

32:39It's just the people. It just seems chaotic. Statements can reflect it. Young players come out with statements. as we had it with the 15 or 16 year we spoke about. All that kind of chaos. And I'm not knocking these lads. That's just the journey these lads are on. But it's just chaotic. But they recognise something. Chaotic with the noise. Chaotic with how they got to Caracus, the manager. We said from day one, there was better options out there. And maybe the players are looking at, there's better options as players out there. It's like a circus. Man United is a circus. So what happened last night?

33:07I watched the game and the result, had a few chances, gave up a few. Chaos after the game. But that's what I expect from Man United now. Now, a tight game, they're probably going to lose and there'll be a lot of noises after the game from comments. But you look at the players again. I go back to it. If you can, try and do your talking on the pitch. If you have to let off a bit of steam, okay, but try and do it on the back of some victories or whatever or when you've won a league title or something like that. These players have done nothing for the last few years at Man United. Two years ago, they were finishing 13th or whatever, getting knocked out by Grimsby.

33:37And they're coming up with all these comments. You'd have to say, that would be the frustration.

33:40Gary Neville: I think that's my problem with it. I think that ultimately here's a guy who's cost him two points on Saturday who's cost him to be fair last night the second goal to be fair he just drifts across and then the ball gets played inside him the first goal he goes in tight in midfield his lad turns and then plays it in behind so he's involved in every goal they give away Fulham the same if I was giving goals away if I'm giving goals away if you make a mistake you shut your mouth if I'm giving goals away if I'm shutting your mouth get home I think that's a difference when Wayne speaks he knew it was coming from a good place because he would work his arse off on the pitch and he did just want better for the club and he probably apologised out of respect.

34:19But a week later, Wayne was asking for a transfer, wasn't he? No, I know, but he still did. It's different, isn't it? It's not just that with Wayne. I think Wayne was out of order with all the stuff he was doing. No, I know, but I'm sure... The difference is Wayne was a top player.

34:30Gary Neville: He'd won four Premier League titles and Champions League. He was a player of strength, yeah. He was a player who'd won a double, he'd won Champions Leagues, he'd won titles, and by the way... Every club in the world would have wanted him. I think if Roy Keane speaks, if Ronaldo speaks... Yeah, but you're a bit more forgiving to win because the team were winning. Is that what you're saying? But also, I think the stature of the player, I think there's an element of if a player comes out like Roy Keane or Ronaldo or Wayne Rooney or Steven Jarrett... He's done it for United. He's been successful for United, Wayne.

34:57I'm not saying he's entitled to say that because no one is, in my opinion. But this is Martinez who's done nothing. Would Bruno Maguire, two senior players, that spring to mind? I wonder, would they be pulling him this morning? I think they should be pulling him this morning and saying, look... But they're probably busy doing podcasts. But that's my point. I don't think he's going to be on a podcast. I can't imagine them pulling him. You remember Bruno's body language recently? Bruno's body language. He doesn't seem a happy lad at the moment.

35:23Gary Neville: But I'm hoping, Roy, this morning, that Bruno and Harry Maguire pull him in and say, look, you can criticise the sporting director, you can criticise the owners, you can basically do whatever you want, but you basically said they needed to bring more players in, didn't they? I mean, let's get his votes out. That's not his role at the club, is it? No, but that's my point. He said something about the manager needed more support in the summer in terms of silence. Yeah, let me just get his quote. Yeah, but Steve, here we go. I have to control myself a lot, but sometimes it's a reflection of how our club is.

35:49Gary Neville: We had a fantastic season, but we expect a lot more... I'm sorry, can I stop you there again? Yeah. We had a fantastic season last year. I know. There you go. That's where he's coming from. He actually thinks he had a fantastic season. Wow, he should have been... Can't be your walk. Find two weeks wages for saying that. Right, but this is the key line, I think, that ultimately the players should pull him up on. and now we expect more from the top from upstairs to bring in more players to compete because many teams have brought in many players as well now to be fair what he says is right they should have brought in more defenders however you can't say that as a player because if you say that publicly as a player you're effectively saying the players I'm playing with are not good enough so that's where the players have to pick him up I think Bruno and Harry Maguire will pull in this morning and say look you're saying they've got to bring more players who are you talking about who do we need to replace there's a lot of young players there as well There's a lot of young players.

36:38Gary Neville: Nobody. I don't think that mindset happens now. Jill, if you're Lenny Uro this morning, you're Aidan Heaven, and you've got a little bit of a doubt about settling into the first team, and you're a young player, and you're thinking, Jesus, my World Cup winning centre-back has said they should have brought more players in, so I don't play. You're really feeling nervous this morning, anxious, so he's having a go. Forget the fact that they do need more players, and they do need to bring in better defenders. I'm sure we said that back in the day, we need better players. Publicly. I'm sure we did in interviews going yeah we obviously because we always said when you had the big clubs new players come in it helps you improve I can only ever remember saying there's a way to wear this there's a way to wear this exactly I don't remember that I always remember saying the players I've got in my dressing room so if someone said to me you know in October obviously you wouldn't be saying we need to Alan Shearer or Alan Shearer or would you bring Alan Shearer to your club you'd go no because I love Andy Cole I love Dwight York you'd definitely say that you would never say yeah I'd love to bring Alan Shearer because effectively what you're saying to the other lads is...

37:38Gary Neville: You want to replace him. You want to replace him? Yeah. I don't think we would say that right. I know what you're saying, but that's obviously the way you say it in the time. During the summer, if we'd won something, you'd go, the club are probably going to reinvest. You'd go, yeah, we need that competition for places. Oh, you say it in certain ways, but of course I get it. Not when you're not winning matches and you personally are having a bad time. And in October, who are you going to get in? Who are you going to get in in January? Exactly. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+.

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39:29Gary Neville: Have you watched this new Aasis documentary or what? On Disney Plus, no, not yet. The boys aren't happy at the moment, are they? No. They're a bit angry about football, aren't they? Not at all. All the rest of it. But they must be happy with the documentary, though, because they've got a new tour coming up. They have got a new tour coming up. About their last tour, the documentary, isn't it? I must admit, I did go to Wembley last year. So did I. It was pretty special. You was to Wembley? I went with Jack to Wembley. We had a great time. It was good. Yeah. It was good. It was a bit nostalgic. Is there any relationship with football that you think reminds you a bit of Liam and Noel?

40:01Gary Neville: Me and Cara? You didn't spend as many years apart, though, did you? We didn't. Is there a song by Oasis that, when you hear it, takes you back to a particular time? Do you know something? Masterplan, because I actually was learning to play guitar from the age, I think, 27 to 31, and I used to love the Masterplan. It's actually a song that I would consider having at my funeral, not that I'll be there. Well, I will be there, actually. Whilst we're living, the dreams we have as children fade away. Okay. And it's my favourite line. Because I always remember, my dad said to me, never lose the eight-year-old in you.

40:37Gary Neville: And whilst you're living, the dreams you have as children fade away. And I always remember that line. Because I always think to myself, yeah, never let your dreams you have as a kid fade away. Never let you, always stay, never go cynical, never go, always be like exuberant and enthusiastic. As a Liverpool fan, we always had a banner, which I used to relate to a lot, which was a reference to Slide Away, which was, we see things they'll never see. And I used to, I quite like that song. Slide Away, I like Slide Away. They've got some great songs. Do you have a favourite gig of all time? The best gig, absolutely, which I've remembered, the best gig I ever went to watch, was with David Beckham and Fabian Barthes.

41:13Gary Neville: It was 10 years of noise and confusion at all, and it was at the Apollo, and Noel did a little acoustic set in the middle and it was one of the best concerts I've ever watched in my life. It was incredible in the Apollo. Watching 3000, just really tight. It was incredible that night. Honestly, they were brilliant. Don't miss this one. Oasis, Don't Look Back in Anger, a Hulu original film, new and exclusive on Disney+.

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42:26Gary Neville: What does all this mean Starting with you, Stevie What does all this mean For Michael Carrick In terms of the next month What is going to happen here? I think he needs to win Against Leeds Massively Because I think the heat will just get hotter. You need to deal with this situation first this morning, i.e. whether he speaks to the press or there's a statement, but the club and Michael have to really, I think, set an example with this type of talk, communication, because it's not helpful going into big games on the back of a defeat. Put that to bed this morning and focus on the next game. There's no point Michael Carrick worrying about four or five fixes down the line.

43:02You never know. But if he goes and beats Leeds... But the interesting thing with the atmosphere, Jason Wilcox, he is hands-on, isn't he? Apparently he is around the training ground. So he is in their company. As long as if you go, we never see him. We see him on the match day. He might have a day off today. Oh, right, it's a bad one for the Olympics. He'll be on a podcast. No, no, no. So you're on with the atmosphere in your club. I'm going to Leeds the weekend. The one thing you want to be is, again, you want to be united. You want to be together. So just say the atmosphere the next few days, because, again, if that Wilcox is hands-on and watches all the training sessions and is overlooking everyone's shoulder, it would be like...

43:33Ian Wright: You have to feel for him as well, Jason Wilkos, because let's face it, the players you're trying to bring into Man United, they don't want to come to Man United. He's trying to get these players. Players are choosing other clubs. That's what's happening at Man United as well. Let's not forget that. Players are choosing other clubs now. In the last three years, they spent the same as Arsenal. So Martin is like Jason Wilkos, just get him in and say, we've invested the same as Arsenal. You should be playing better. And look what happened to Arsenal. We're champions. I think they should all just come to the coffee shop have some team bonding and they'll be fine we'll give them all a free drink on the house at the coffee shop the Man United that's the second plug do you know what did he do a bit of go-karting someone told me you want to be okay you can't beat it forget coaching it's true go-karting solves everything I don't care what anyone says we've done that leading to the Champions League and Crouchy nearly ran their kites over you're joking see that's the kind of silly thing it's dangerous there'll be after Martin

44:37Gary Neville: it's dangerous what do you think it means for Michael Carrick Roy it's just generally go on go on pressure's building

44:44Ian Wright: I think Steve I think you can't look further and it's Leeds as well what Leeds and Man United what that means that result so he's got to get through that result that's the main thing he's got to set get everybody right so they can get through that result and he might get a bit of a breather and he could start thinking about how it's going because like I said people are talking Talking about him as, oh, he's going to be gone sooner. For who? To bring in who? To do what? With the same things that's happening at United? What's going to happen? Who are you going to get next? You've gone for every kind of manager.

45:09Ian Wright: The famous one, the young one, the this. You've done everything.

45:13Gary Neville: It's unravelled quite quickly in the last month or so, hasn't it, for United, just generally. Think about where it's at today. It does in the Premier League, Gary. It does. It does. Yeah. I felt great. I asked the Villa one day and three weeks later I'd lost six on the spin or whatever it was and the next minute you've gone down the M6 but tears it unravels very quick it's brutal the league especially if you're Man United I don't know about winning next week but get something out of the game get a point compete show a United front the players United fans are going on obviously I think that's the key United fans will go down and they'll still be fighting for the cause but the players have to show a proper fight because if you get that broken performance where it's all over the place then it's another one it's another one and then it's difficult to pull it back the running stats are not helping them at the moment are they in terms of the energy they're showing during games but it goes back to all the conversations about the characters and the leaders and the personnel you've got in the dressing room you know even the Spurs game you're showing bits of the last five or ten minutes and United are just kicking you going just keep the heads or trying to win a breaking ball try and make a good ball or a bad ball just roll your sleeves up they don't seem to be able to do it and I know it's moments and great clubs have always had players who produce moments there's nothing wrong with that but just show that bit of steel where you're sliding across together you're up together you're back together and every time again we go back to I think the biggest insult you can have as a player I think particularly they are easy to play against there is space there's even the first goal they beat the first press and they're in on goal Spurs Liverpool had the same issues last year and every team was out running them out running them and I just think when you're going through these periods as a group of players you get yourselves together no coaches and you say look lads whatever happens at the weekend we're running more than these we're fighting more than them we're battling more than them worst case scenario show these fans that are coming that we're leaving everything out there and then the rest comes off the back of that doesn't it but if there's that atmosphere we just say Wilcox and the players are feeling that vibe we should have got and it's just all that is around the club and the culture has changed these players we'll put it this way these players won't be forward they won't imagine playing for when you're going to lead you should be going yeah absolutely we'll go anywhere we'll go anywhere and compete it's going to be hard of course but instead of going we're dreading going there we're not sure about the recruitment we're not sure about the signing Wilcox is an awkward atmosphere under their canteen, you're like, wow, what energy is that giving you?

47:31Sometimes looking at running stats in isolation, I think sometimes we'll find a reason why a team's not doing well. I'm sure their possession's gone up. So the run stats, yeah, this season. So sometimes that can... It's when it's like a consistent game. My worry about United stats, obviously the run is not good. And last year when Carrick came and you thought, right, there were probably, a lot of the, obviously you got big results quickly and that was sitting in, even the City against Arsenal. Maybe they're a counter-attacking team and Bruno was brilliant, he was picking people off under counter-attack.

47:59But last night against Madrid, they actually had, they didn't have that. Madrid, who are usually happy for the opposition to have the ball, had more possession than United and United still didn't look at threat. Do you know what I mean? They created one or two moments. So I'm thinking, do United go back to being a team that sits in and plays under counter-attack? Is that one of their strengths? But even when they're doing that now, they don't look nowhere near as fresh as they did last year. When Carrick first got the job, they were picking teams off. When you watch Atletico Madrid, though, these teams are so well drilled.

48:28You think the full-back's stuck and they just know exactly where each other's going to be. Like, the passing... Again, the one thing I look at teams, I don't care whatever level I'm watching. I'm going back, whether it be World Cup, whether it be Salford, I watch a League of Ireland game the other night. You're looking at, you know, teams you play with energy and enthusiasm. For starters, forget the other bits, for starters, if you haven't got that, you're in huge trouble. At least play with energy. I had a call last night, you're going, before the game starts, I'm sitting on going, what are we going to expect?

48:56and I go they're going to be full of energy whatever happens and again Atletico they are a good I still don't think they were strong a couple of years ago but they're still a bloody good team and they're established in Europe but at least they'll have energy and enthusiasm and United even have to go back to that and go listen let's roll our sleeves off particularly going to Leeds on Sunday because guess what Leeds will have on Sunday they'll have it they'll have it and more the crowd as well and they're doing alright aren't they I know obviously there was the Arsenal they're competing they're competing

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49:57Gary Neville: Carragher's got something above my head. Didn't say that before.

50:06Gary Neville: OK, let's move to the other Manchester club. I think there's a lot obviously been said about it. You were at the game on Sunday. You were at the game Sunday. You were at the game obviously Sunday, Roy. I was at the game Sunday. Jill and Ian, I don't think you were at the game. I was at Salford. You were? I was sad or not? Sad. On the Sunday? It was extremely strange. And I mean, I made a statement that I don't want to do Manchester City games for the rest of the season, which it wasn't a statement, I'm not going to do Manchester City games for the rest of the season. It was just a statement, but it wasn't enjoyable watching the actual match.

50:41Gary Neville: Now, you've not been in the stadium yet, Ian, when you watch a Manchester City game. But I don't know if you felt the same, Roy, or you felt the same, Stevie. It felt very strange and it felt like it was a bizarre situation.

50:51Ian Wright: You know what, Gareth, it is because it is a bizarre situation and it's something that we're not used to. It's not meant to be happening. So when you look at the City fans celebrating the players, that's fine what they're doing. But for us to not focus and get bored of this situation of what's happening now, we cannot say things like that, Gareth, because it has to stay uncomfortable. It is uncomfortable what's going on. And that's why you have to stay with it. as long as they are still in the Premier League having to play until it comes to an outcome, then you have to do what you do. You have to speak about it.

51:28Ian Wright: You have to do it. This is what I'm saying, Gar, because what happens is that it's an uncomfortable thing.

51:33Gary Neville: It is, and to be fair...

51:34Ian Wright: It was an uncomfortable game to watch.

51:36Gary Neville: It was. A free great goal. But how do we do it? Because it is damaging now for the Premier League. It feels like we're watching games. We can't watch games in the Premier League where we're thinking this is just a waste of time and this is just something that's basic.

51:46Ian Wright: Yeah, but Gary, there's no way that the Premier League you're not trying to resolve this as quickly as possible. Did you enjoy the game a little bit? When the game was on, it was more afterwards than before. Before and after and a half time. You know what, I tried to just enjoy the game and focus on the game, but then when it was over, it was a bit of... And for an hour, it was, even though it was nil-nil, it was a real... But then the free goals make you, the free goals is what makes it, well, they're good. Then free goals were fantastic. But the distraction comes when the whistle goes to death, you go, all right, what does it really mean?

52:16Ian Wright: That's what happens, yeah. But like, That's something that's got to be cleared up. The problem is the timing, isn't it? The amount of time it's going to take, that's the problem for all of us. It's going to go on and on and on. Is the lack of cooperation what's going on with City? Like I say, I ain't got no problem with the fans celebrating with the players, having their medal, however they want to do it. But the fact is, it's got to have an outcome. And I said this on Sky ages ago. So everybody can just get on with it. Because at the moment... But it does take time right here. Because they're not cooperating.

52:42Ian Wright: Yeah, of course, man. They're not cooperating.

52:44Gary Neville: I think also, we always talk about the integrity of the league. If City get deducted 30 points, I'm making it up in February, 40 points, you're going to be playing against a different manager City after that than you are before. It's just going to impact the whole league. To have this going on during a season where they're playing meaningful matches, it's just... What can you do? Are you saying it's better to be at the end of the season rather than February, for example? A process is a process in law, in legal, in what will be any associated... I get that completely but what I'm saying it is so damaging for the Premier League right now it is really damaging and to be fair it's really hard to actually commentate on their games and sort of after the game even after the game you're thinking it just doesn't feel right I always think about it as well from a City player I didn't have a problem with City players celebrating either or the fans celebrating they were very good the performance but we're not talking about that are we 10-15 minutes but truthfully I had no problem with it my point is when we pulled out of the FA Cup in 2000.

53:45Gary Neville: Oh, yeah, you're right. And at the time, when you're in United and you're in your bubble, you just basically siege mentality, us against the world. You don't see sometimes the damage that it's doing to basically the rest of the game. And when I look back now, and I think you've said it since, Roy, we damaged the FA Cup. Now, we, to be fair, as players, wanted to play in it and we said we wanted to play in it and I think even the manager did. It was a case of, though, we had to play, I think, our kids because we were away in this tournament. But the damage we did was real. No, I didn't play any kids.

54:13Gary Neville: the youth team FA Cup because obviously it was on when we were away Royce we could have played the youth team that was the thing that people said and we could have done that but it didn't happen but you don't think you're damaging the FA Cup when you're in the dressing room maybe at the time you're sort of at Man United everyone's against us I think they will realise probably in a few years time the City players and the fans I said it on Monday I said in there quiet moments when they go home you're away from the game there must be the City's performance was fantastic and it's nothing to do with the current group and you don't understand of fans and you understand and respect the unity and them all sticking together a lot of clubs would probably do something similar in their own moments as a fan a current player and an ex-player they must be thinking we need this to go away fast absolutely because it's alright beating Liverpool and stuff but as you go along you're going to be thinking we need all this to go away no one's giving us praise Stevie I know a Manchester City fan who travels over to watch their games and he came over for the Liverpool game on Sunday he was staying for the three days for the PSG game and he went back home yesterday.

55:14Gary Neville: He texted me, he said, the toxicity around it, he said, I can't, I can't watch it. Mika, it's just... Some City fans are now being impacted and thinking... The recommendations happen. Look at Mika, I watched you guys there and you can sort of see in his body language behaviour, it's killing him, it's killing him, it's hurting him. But he bowed and you get it. We saw it in Gilla, I think. He'd take away for their sake as well. Yeah, because you don't want to... You don't know what to say, you don't know what to talk about obviously the players have come together and I think good players when people are against them and everything else they show the performances on the pitch and I do think City did that but Jill the impact that Manchester City have had on your life when we were speaking about it a couple of weeks ago the first proper professional set up the way in which they sort of develop you you're sat there as someone who owes that club a lot and you feel a lot of affinity to it so like Mike is exactly me because they're exactly the same what about all your other clubs I know I get that right you've gone right by their players that's what everyone's forgetting about I know clubs are good to people.

56:13Gary Neville: I know, but I can understand why Jill and Micah and other players that play for them have got a loyalty to them and feel a bit difficult, right? I can understand why it's difficult for them. And listen, if they're not guilty, we all move on. Absolutely. That's what we're waiting for.

56:24Ian Wright: We move away quick. With the irrefutable evidence. Sorry, go on. I was just going to say, as fans of the game, we all just want to go back to talking about football, don't we? And then we're sitting in a place where they've so-called got some form of evidence that no one sees. What's going on? You know, if they felt the same about, like I was just saying, about Jill with Man City and what Man City means to the fans with the bananas, because that's something to do with signifying what they were like before this ownership, which is all brilliant. And you do feel for them in that respect. But the owners, they do not realise what they have done in respects of the devastation to that football club.

57:02Ian Wright: We're witnessing it now, but we're not feeling it yet because everybody's in it, carrying on at the season. We don't know what the outcome is yet. But at some stage... But we do know the outcome. They've been found guilty. But they've been found guilty, but we don't know what's going to happen to them. OK, because previously before that, we kept saying, well, you know, obviously we don't know the internet of it. And they've been found guilty. So I don't know why everyone's tipped one around that. But then, Roy, but the thing is, then why can't it be, why can't it come to an end? What's going on?

57:25Ian Wright: And that is because they're not cooperating with them. And right, you used to talk at the beginning. It's sad, it's devastatingly sad. About obviously losing a good friend at the club, like the amazing work he did as club secretary. And that's the people who were at these clubs. and it's not just about the... You don't have personal relationships. That's what I mean. These people who own these clubs, like Man City, the owners, are they bothered about people? I don't think they care. Clubs for 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 years. They can't care. They can't care to do what they've done. Cheating is an action, by the way.

57:53Ian Wright: It's not like an action, it's an action. And the continuous as well, continuously doing it, knowing it.

57:58Gary Neville: But look, I don't think we can... You can never circumvent a process, you can never accelerate it because it has to go through a process. But are we all... What if you've got so much money, you can just keep it? But where does that leave the Premier League? The best point, in my mind, I think it's been said, to be fair, it's got something in the studio after the game on Sunday. There is no way this season can finish where Manchester City have won the league and they've not had the actual sort of... Well, they've either cleared themselves or they've had their guilt. What's the name of that guy who was here?

58:23Ian Wright: Paul or something? He said that there's... Remember he mentioned it? It's like a pyramid. He says there's only so many places you can go to continue to appeal and at some stage you're going to reach the top. And he says he believes that they're close to that. We need to... That needs to happen. so that everybody can move forward. Because at the moment, it's awkward. I watched three amazing goals in a magnificent game, like, fixture in Liverpool and City, and you just feel, I don't know what I feel.

58:48Gary Neville: But that's the point, Ian. You're in that stadium. You should be, to be fair, I've watched that game now for seven or eight, nine years. Amazing game between Liverpool and City. That just felt like completely dead at the end. It was horrible. And just something, that's not anti-Liverpool, anti-City, Gary Neville supports Man United. It's not. I have literally fawned over those games over times. The quality of football, the quality of... That is not right, what we saw on Sunday, the way in which we all felt at the end. It just wasn't right. We should be discussing the red card. We should be discussing the doku.

59:18The face yellow card, we should be discussing. No, but we should be. It was the first time. I hope that's on the list, by the way. Let's not brush over that. What a grabbing merch one. And your goal against United. Hey, come on.

59:30Gary Neville: This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. Let's discuss Liverpool. Liverpool. Have we got any light-hearted stuff? It's not Liverpool. Specifically, specifically Virts. Any good news on these podcasts? No. You're at the hotel last night. I'm just going to free a deal. I'll be on a front page. People like that in the car. I hope you've got some ghetto clauses. we've all aged 10 years that's right let's talk about following verse because Stevie you're more positive than maybe particularly Jamie Carragher maybe I am and watching maybe the rest of us around this table 120, 130 million whatever it was obviously a good footballer but you think he's going to come good where's that confidence come from?

1:00:21I'm not denying that he's underperforming and that we should have seen an awful lot more in terms of the price tag and what have you but I just think that There's a chance, and it's happened previously, where players can turn it round. I think he's got the talent to turn it round. He's got players around him, Steve. His confidence is shot at Liverpool at the moment. You can see it when you watch him up live. He's given the ball away, simple balls that he wouldn't give away. And I think at times he's maybe not shown when normally he's full of confidence. I watched him for Germany, a different player.

1:00:51Ian Wright: Completely different player. Is that because of players that he's got? Maybe. Maybe that team's a bit more set than Liverpool. Stevie, I didn't watch the Germany games.

1:00:57Gary Neville: What's he doing for Germany then that he's not doing for Liverpool? He just seems to be playing with his shoulders back, different energy, getting on the ball. He's turning in pockets of space. He's actually executing in the final third in terms of his passes. He's a prominent goal. He's getting assists, he's getting goals. He's prominent. And you've seen it at Leverkusen. I know it's a different level, but you're watching a different player. I think his confidence and the price tag... You know the game on Sunday? He was poor on Sunday. No, but you're on about, like, obviously when a player plays high up to pitch, you're going to take risk.

1:01:25But I'm on about the bit, even if you were walking where you go, listen, whatever happened, you just look after the ball for us if you can get assist and he was going wide too much he was going out wide no I agree so we talk about confidence you're going but this is a professional football and you're going but whatever happens in the game Brian Clough's advice to me before my debut was control the ball pass it and run find the right shape go back to basics go back to basics and this is my point that I want to get to in the end is sometimes and I've had dips in forms and lack of confidence for periods of time and the best thing for me was to come out to the team for the period of time and someone playing in your position, you start going, oh, he might take my place.

1:02:01And you get that little bit of fear or mojo back. And you'd have to play, you'd have to start with your training performances, get more consistency in training, and then it starts coming out in the games. But to write one of Germany's best talents off a 22, if I look at Philippe Coutinho, he was at Espanyol at 22. No one wanted him. Only really Rafa Benitez knew Coutinho at 22. And then he went the other way and exploded. I think... So pull him out of the team. I think you need to find a solution. What is that? Eka Tike was going to be. Well, listen, the problem Liverpool have got is Eka Tike's missing, Isaac's been a bit flaky of late, Gakpo's injured.

1:02:37So at the moment, Gary, you probably can't do that. But when you start getting a few bodies back, I don't think it'd do any harm to come out and look in. You know, he needs to be looking at his clips in training, in the games, the balls he's given away. He needs a staff and his manager now to grab him. He's a talent, he's young. You can't give up on these people and say, oh, because he was at 110 million, you know, he's gone and brush him aside and be emotional about it. He needs help, he needs support. Is there a cut-off point, Jim? I'd say so. Is there a cut-off point where you say to a player?

1:03:05I'd say so. And there's great examples. I'd say the end of the season, if the form's still the same and he's underperforming and not delivering come the end of the season, he's had two seasons then. I think it's a bit different then. Yeah. But at the moment now, I would say, I'm not saying for a Liverpool point of view, I'm just talking about a talent in general who's that age with a big price tag. It's difficult to play for Liverpool, it's difficult to play in the Premier League, there's a big jump. And they've not been at their best seat around them Have they? People haven't been set and consistent It's different for a number 10 To come into that environment Than coming in if he was behind I said it at the weekend Mane, Firmino, Salah Teams that's winning Underclop Pressing everyone Everyone's got their shoulders back It's a different environment So I just think Give him a chance He hasn't been good enough by the way And Barcola In the short period We need to see more from him so I'm not sort of trying to defend him because I'm a Liverpool fan and ignoring the fact that he hasn't been good enough and we need to see more but I don't think you can't write these people off you've got to give him a little bit more time

1:04:05Ian Wright: two years is a long time to win I agree with that what if you do take him let's say you take him out for three, four games Liverpool just click and what happens to his confidence but that might be that little bit of thing where you go shit my place has gone here that bit of fear that you need it's happened to me I've come out of the team and I don't know Dietmar Hamann's coming or early doors, Gary McAllister's coming, Gary McAllister's whipped a freak in and I'm sitting thinking, I'm not getting my place back here. So what do we do in the next training session? The real me comes back. The real me comes back in training.

1:04:33And if you start getting the real you back in training... I don't say that. Well, that's the key, Gary, whether he can turn this round from now to the end of the season. It needs to come from within him. But he needs support from his coaches and managers and his senior players to protect them a bit.

1:04:47Gary Neville: His stats at Leverkusen in the year before he came, he's played 31 matches in... Well, he played 40 matches in the UEFA Champions League and Bundesliga. He had 40 games and he scored 16 goals and 15 assists. In 51 games for Liverpool that he's played for them, he's had six goals and then seven assists. That's not enough. Them numbers are not enough for that price tag. I agree with that. But I think he came into a difficult Liverpool team over the course of the year. Must have been a tough team to play in that. I think they had some similar issues to United, where they're getting outrun every single week and they're inconsistent.

1:05:30I think it will help them if Iriola can get a stronger Liverpool team out, a more consistent Liverpool team. I think as a number 10, you would prefer to be around that. It's difficult when a player, he's got talent, but he's physically small and the team is struggling. He's not at his best. Even with set-piece, you're looking good. You need to see more. That's where you go. That's where it stands out more. It'd be different if he was big and strong. He's not at it, but I tell you what, he's winning a few headers and he's getting back. You look at everything, he's not going to get the ball back.

1:05:59It looked worse at the weekend as well. Obviously, Liverpool were a bit light up top as well. They were a little bit toothless as a team. They were brilliant for an hour. There was a lot to admire about the performance, but I think around the final third, there just wasn't enough firepower to pitch. For a player in that ball in the Premier League, how many assists and goals do you think is deemed a success? I think you need to be double-double. Double-double. You need to be double-double. 115, 120 million, you think you need to be at minimum. I mean, that was as a midfielder, by the way. That would be like, you wouldn't say it, but you'd be thinking to yourself...

1:06:32Ten goals. As an eight, maybe not as someone who sits more.

1:06:35Ian Wright: It must be really confusing as well for Liverpool fans, because Liverpool fans are not... Apart from, you'd probably say the last major one where you're expecting a player to come in and go, bam, and get on with it, was Virgil. Maybe even the goalkeeper, Alisson, when they brought them in. But Liverpool bring, like, look at Mo Salah. Look what Mo Salah turned into. to look at Mane turned into. Liverpool don't normally buy that player for an extortionate amount and say, right, here's our top player, you go and show us. Like what we're seeing now with Verts and Barcala and Isak. There was question mark already over Alisson and Van Dijk when they paid£78 million.

1:07:04That seemed huge.

1:07:05Ian Wright: Yeah, but then they came in. But what I'm saying with Liverpool, Liverpool don't do that. They find that player and then they turn him into that player. And so now they've brought players in that they're expecting, right, go in Barcala, go in Isak, who's got an injury record as well. Go in Verts. They've tried to. It's really, it seems a different identity to Liverpool. When they've won, they've tried to fix the roof when it's shining, to pull away from the rest and tried to go big, gone for quality rather than quantity. Even Jürgen Klopp said, didn't he? I didn't know Liverpool can make that level of signing.

1:07:35Ian Wright: That's what he said. It's the same principles for every team, isn't it? Your recruitment's key, isn't it? Yeah. United, last few years, Liverpool just doesn't look good at the moment. You're saying give everyone time. It's a huge six, seven months. No, you don't. What about Carrick? There's no patience in this game. Can I say, even with Barclay, you know when you, like, when Isak went, you'd say, every now and then you'd see a flash. Oh, yeah. I've not seen a flash from him yet. From Verts? No, no, no. I was last year. I was seeing the flashes last year. Yeah. Oh, Barclay, it's all. Barclay, yeah, up to this point.

1:08:05Ian Wright: I know it's early, but he's a hundred and odd million. You've got to see him blast past someone. You go, oh, OK, yeah, I can see what's happening once he comes back. It's a huge seven months for both players. I think in the meantime, they need some support, I think, because certainly from a Verts point of view, His confidence looks as if it's affecting him now, and that's a different problem.

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1:10:18Right, super six.

1:10:20Ian Wright: Talking about the mortgage. Exactly right. Here we go. Last week's score, Gary and Jamie, six points. Wow, they got four. Average. Well done, guys. It's over for us. The what? Average. Oh, basically. What did I get? Well, my rules are these just take over and pick the scores. So you got a top 55 % of players. You beat 290 ,000 players. That's not bad then.

1:10:41Gary Neville: Six points? You have six points. What did they get? Jill, seven points. Yes, man.

1:10:45Ian Wright: Yes.

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1:11:18Ian Wright: Well done to that person. 5-3, that's a good prediction. What about it? That was some result, wasn't it? I had Coventry to go on before us a few weeks ago. My hot take is gone, by the way, for Coventry. Some goals in that game. Coventry 14th now, aren't they? It's like mad, isn't it? You know something? Wow, that winner. You know when you're watching... You know when you're watching... Oh, the Asics boy, see, yeah? Little left back. Shit. His name's Jada Silva. You're making me nervous. Yeah, little fella. You know something? He's unbelievable. You want to see his technique? Technically, he's very good.

1:11:51Ian Wright: My God, he's magnificent. Watch him, Roy, next time. Jada Silva, left back for commentary. His technique is so good. Flyers up and down. He's got a beautiful left foot. Ipswich Holder all doing all right, aren't they, to be fair? I know. What are we doing? City, United

1:12:05Gary Neville: and anyway Brentford Liverpool 3pm Saturday yeah so to be fair we have to agree but Carrot always texts the Liverpool game because he's never going to say that they're going to lose so you've got to take that one I think in the current circumstances with what Liverpool have got available and the injuries I'm going to go for 1-1 get the violin out on the injuries Liverpool big club you did right everyone says injuries United's injuries I think trouble in the background yeah but

1:12:33Ian Wright: When's Isak back? When's he back? I think he's already ripped them off for the weekend. They're not available. Who? Who? It's Irreola. You know, you look at that again and you think, why are you spending that much money? Gapo, Isak, I think Liverpool might get a win. I think Liverpool might get a win. Yeah? I'm going to go Liverpool to win and Verts to score a winner as well. I love that, righty? You like that? We've got to start. We've got to put it in the ether for him. Physically. I feel like Martinez disjointed over here I'm thinking no way are Brentford getting beaten home by Liverpool with all the problems Liverpool 1-1's not a bad show it's a good prediction isn't it Liverpool under injury I think 2-1 Liverpool 2-1 Liverpool put it up look at what he says oh right if we get that one wrong is that 12?

1:13:21Ian Wright: when is that game? it's 3 o 'clock 3 o 'clock tell you what I think right Man City Ipswich no one's watching you either Man City Ipswich if we get that right who cares See We've got to clear Because we don't know City will win 2-0 2-0 No it's going to be more Because people are going to be So outrunner 3-0 3-0 We've got 2-0 3-0 Yeah we'll give you one

1:13:44Gary Neville: What are you going for Yeah we're going for 4 4-0 City Oh weird No chance Come on Righteous All right Newcastle, Aston Villa 5-30 Saturday Concentrate on this one Newcastle need a result Back of a European game Balls Villa travelling to Turkey During the week I'll give you that one. Reaction? Villa were very good at Tottenham. Jamie was doing that to me last week.

1:14:11Ian Wright: 2-2. I don't know. Are there a way? Yeah, a long play from Brampton. I think Newcastle need a win there. Did you see them the other day? We're on the same page, I think.

1:14:26Gary Neville: I think they need a good win, actually. Draw's a good shot, don't they? Do you think... I think Newcastle, the need to bounce back from that. Newcastle will have to win, I think. Oh, I know. They'll need a result. 1-1? 1-1. 1-1. We go 1-1.

1:14:40Ian Wright: Yeah, we go 1-1. Yeah, brilliant one from us. Well done, Roy. Brilliant. Good shot. I was going to say that. Here we go. We're first, Roy. Leeds United. Leeds United. Leeds at home. Leave this one to... No, no. We're a team.

1:14:53Gary Neville: Roy, you do the game Sunday. I am. It's not on, is it? I'm doing Leeds Man United. I'm up at Forrest I'm doing Forrest We're not doing that game No you are No we are doing Forrest I know that So we'll do it before And then we'll do the Arsenal Yeah you'll do it before No there's two games What do you mean It's like two separate shows It's two games at two o 'clock But there's a focus on the other game Who is it Bright and Crystal Palace Bright and Crystal Palace This could be a big No no This is where you get caught up With predictions You go Are they bound to beat them No that's where There's a twist

1:15:23Ian Wright: It's a perfect game For Leeds to play No it's a perfect game For United to get like Go on, boy. Go on, boy. I'm going to go...

1:15:34Gary Neville: I know exactly what I'm going to say. I'm going to go 1-1. 1-1? Wow. Oh, that's Spielman for a draw. Exactly. Honestly. I'm going to go up the M6 after six defeats. A few draws. You were still there. Draws. Take a draw away from home. Take a draw. Five and back. Well done. What are you going with then, Gael? I'm going to 1-1 Man United. I like it. That's not what I'm thinking. Thinking outside the back. I think that's just I think to be honest with you, looking at it, if you've got Kunia, Embermo, Ahmad, Rashford. He's dropped. But Leeds definitely definitely get at least one goal. I think it's two.

1:16:15They can't play him against,

1:16:16Ian Wright: they can't play Lissangelo against Dominic Cavalier. Leeds will score from his set pieces. He'll have him on. He's back in a rucksack. Is Martinez going to start?

1:16:23Gary Neville: He can't do. Will Martinez start?

1:16:25Ian Wright: See what Solanke's done to him? I think he will.

1:16:27Gary Neville: It's your goal. It's your goal, isn't it? But do you think Martez will start?

1:16:30Ian Wright: Yeah, yeah. Of course he'll start.

1:16:33Gary Neville: Roy, this is a game you're covering on Sunday, apparently. Brighton Palace.

1:16:37Ian Wright: We're doing it, we're doing it. We don't care. You'll start. It's your goal. You're starting it up to you now, aren't you? Yes, home, mate. But Palace have just won 3-1, haven't he? Great result, but it was at home. 2-1, 2-0.

1:16:50Gary Neville: Brighton 2-1, 2-0. Derby, that's a Derby down there. It's a big derby down there. 2-1 to Brighton. Oh, you didn't know that. It was a rivalry. We did. It's called the something derby. M5. M23 something derby. M23 derby, is it? Something like that. First off. I'm thinking 3-1 or 3-0. 2. Brighton. Sorry, Steve. Oh, no, Palace are coming up. They give us a tough game. I've got them made specially. I know I think Brighton. 3-1 or 3-0. Go on, then. What are we going? 3-1. 3-1. We're going. Big game Forest Arsenal 4-30 Alrighty What game did I watch Forest every day I thought they were playing quite well and they got beat I don't believe it

1:17:35Ian Wright: The chances that they missed Forest were good They were eight No no no There was eight clear chances It's the most chances a team's ever had in a game and still lost Yeah No no no That's what the commentator You're in the sad bag I'll tell you You know You know how we need We should do a nice moment on the podcast and Glasner's reception from both fans. Yeah, I thought that was nice. And then they started to slow him off. It's not like, I wasn't wavering. Did Arsenal lose that?

1:18:04Gary Neville: No, but I'm the manager. He jumped in the cup.

1:18:07Ian Wright: We lost in the cup. No, at the end of the season,

1:18:09Gary Neville: towards the end of the season, not last year. Yeah, but that's not now, girl. It was the only last year. That's what it was. You've had a tough couple of years there. So what? You lost one year and then drew last year.

1:18:18Ian Wright: I don't care. We're talking about this season. What would you go for without? He won the European.

1:18:23Gary Neville: Come on, you're on. Oi. Roy he won the FA call I'll give him a go I'll go 3-1 Arsenal go on Rydie like oh yeah is that a trophy oh I better wear some good gear on Sunday that's an emotion that's an emotion

1:18:36Ian Wright: I can't wear a t-shirt on Sunday Rydie wears a shirt and tie and all that yeah but it's a dress down shirt and tie what's wrong I'm starting to phone him and tell him I might wear a suit he doesn't tell me I'll just wear a t-shirt I think he's going to Wimpton why do you say that when I phone you and say Roy I'm thinking of wearing once a couple of times once Do you make sure you don't wear the same style? No, but as soon as I get in there, he'll say, all right, he's putting us to shame. And I'm just putting on my gear. Sometimes I pick it in the dark. You're a stylish man, aren't you? Just a stylish bloke.

1:19:06Ian Wright: I feel like he's a happy years of work. I've said 3-1 to us. 3-1.

1:19:10Gary Neville: What are we doing? I don't think it's going to be that easy for Arsenal. No, Forrest was good.

1:19:16Ian Wright: I tell you what, once we got going with them...

1:19:17Gary Neville: 1-0 to Arsenal. Great, love that. I would have gone 2-2. and they've been for out in the first half. Well done, Ben. Thank you, Gary. Ben, you're the best. Cheers, guys. Thank you. You're the best. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. Did we enjoy the longer international break? No. I actually thought... Two weeks is enough. Yeah, but Joe, something... So it's basically, you either have a two, a two and a two, September, October, November, which is six weeks, or you have a three and a two and it's just two of them. I actually thought the four games were pretty good for England.

1:19:49I actually enjoyed it. I did enjoy the game. I know what you're saying, it's a bit mad, and you were in, obviously, Sicily, probably watching it by a pool. The French Riviera. Yeah, of course, yeah, and the Speedos. I was, actually. Look at Harry Kane, he's leaning back, taking that straight, though.

1:20:05Gary Neville: Me and my Speedos are sat in there.

1:20:06Ian Wright: It would have been good for a manager. I love days off, and I'm just thinking, days off in September, October, and November. I liked the break. No, I didn't mind the games, actually. Yeah, I liked the break. But we were doing them. Yeah, I'm seeing them. We were doing them, Steve, we were doing it, So I liked it, but I thought it would be great for someone like Thomas Tuka to have him like that.

1:20:25Gary Neville: Yeah.

1:20:26Ian Wright: That's the best thing. Yeah, there's a plus.

1:20:27Gary Neville: At least he could work on things. He could have lost them in that. Especially coming after the World Cup. If they'd gone wrong. It was definitely negative vibes around after the Spanish game. Yeah. But obviously. Leeds in St George's Park, though. For the players. Oh, if you're a player, I think you'd be like. Apparently it's better now, though. Against Croatia. Yeah, they're doing loads to it now. I was there last week. Against Croatia. Croatia are. England against Croatia. I know we've watched lots of football over here. I couldn't believe what I was watching. As good as England were, as bad as Croatia.

1:20:53I couldn't believe it.

1:20:54Gary Neville: There's a golf now in the sides, the other ones. It's not long. We've got an air on Liam Deleuze actually. Liam Deleuze missed a big chance at the weekend against Palace. What's the worst miss you've ever seen? It was mystical. Who was it? Who went around the... At Villa, Liverpool, who went around the goalkeeper and hit the back? Ronnie Rozentau. That was a bad one, wasn't it? Yeah.

1:21:13Ian Wright: I remember... That was an open goal, wasn't it? Adam... What's he? Adam, when he was at Chelsea, I think, when he went up to United. Cole Palmer missed one the other week, didn't he? Torres. Over the bar? Yeah. From under the bar? It happens a lot, doesn't it? You know, I mean, he's not alone, is he? It happens, doesn't it? Was it Daglish missed one years ago? You know, I'm going back to the 70s. Remember, was there somebody who went on the keeper and rolled it to him? The great Daglish from the yard. Did you ever see that chance? The pitchers were shit. I know. You can blame the pitchers.

1:21:37Gary Neville: What's the most controversial big miss of all time? I'm thinking like, I mean, look, Kolo Mawani in the World Cup when he's two on goal. That one. That goes under. Do you remember the Son one? the Sun won at Tottenham when he goes for City when he's going for City that's it that's it

1:21:52Ian Wright: that was a great save that was a great save do you think it was a great save that was a good yeah but for him in result when Son goes through I'm thinking that's a 1v1 with the keeper right that's not a bad miss it's not a bad miss what about lads going on to goalkeeper and you have an open goal

1:22:11Gary Neville: open goal is a bad miss

1:22:12Ian Wright: open goal

1:22:13Gary Neville: but like what's the most forget worst miss what is that biggest chance that you just think oh my god the world would have changed Oli at Leverkusen that's the one chance I think it the most I know obviously it wasn't a big chance John Stones off the line was that a miss or not that's not a miss I remember it Oli at Leverkusen you done great I was behind him what was it that was to get to the final the last kick of the game you go through to the Champions League final I'm behind Oli sorry no he put over the bear Oli which is bizarre I think of course but Oli saved you in the Champions League We'll love Oli.

1:22:46That was his job.

1:22:48Gary Neville: Paul Oli. I know, I'm having a bit of fun. To be fair, I think, actually, and I'm not mentioning this, I know he'll hate it, but John Terry's penalty against United changed the dynamic of the whole 2008. No slip talk to me. No, no slip talk. We've had enough of that last two weeks. He sent me the thing through for the Overlap Daily on a Monday. Fucking every question was about it. You're joking. Get it out of the way. Goldbridge is getting it as well. He's on my list. He's the top of the list. just sitting here for three days shook me hand the day before he was sore about him the other day that's what they do Steve you don't worry Steve shakes his hand now you've got no hotel book no it annoys me when a midfielder probably him where it can be any when you slip when players a midfielder gives the ball and the two set and halves are way over there you should expect the worst I can't get defenders who start going over positions spaces everywhere stay compact expect your mate to miss it or slip ok we'll move on I blame defenders for that I swear.

1:23:44And then your goalkeepers... Took a bit of heat off JT there, haven't I?

1:23:47Ian Wright: Just a bit. Right, Everton... And goalkeepers are not making... Remember that, JT. Hey, goalkeepers are not making... Saves as well every now and again.

1:23:53Gary Neville: Everton, after two years, are looking to sell. Why is this? Say that again. Everton. The owners are looking to sell. Everton are doing all right this season for when we spoke at the beginning. Well, David Moyes is saving. David Moyes is brilliant. It might have been silly, but why would they be selling? Is it just because they ran out of money? Or do they think they can make a profit? Would it be... I think maybe they... How many owns it? Is it a company that's a few people? I would think it's probably the loss of the money, I would imagine. They just haven't got the stomach for it anymore, maybe.

1:24:18And is it a company that owns it? What is it? There'll be loads of takers, though, wouldn't there? New stadium now, new training ground. But if it's losing money, do people want to invest in it? Why would they...

1:24:27Ian Wright: What was their motive to buy it in the first place? I don't know. How long they owned it? How long they owned it?

1:24:31Gary Neville: It don't be all right after two years, does it?

1:24:33Ian Wright: Is it the triple seven?

1:24:35Gary Neville: No, it's their Freedman Group. We don't want Everton, though, to be in a flux for the next year or two, do we? We've had enough of that, haven't we? Well. No, listen, I'm obviously an avid red, but they deserve good owners. Yeah. The fans have waited a long time for success. They deserve good owners. Freaking. Freaking. Freaking group. Freaking group. Like the stadium. The stadium is brilliant. It's lovely, but location-wise, getting in and out of it, I think, from what I'm hearing, it's a big problem. Do you know what? Do you know what? Everton have the best of their... Bovril. Best Bovril ever.

1:25:07Bovril is the best thing. Oh, at Everton, it was beautiful. I think I had three cups of it. It was beautiful. Good, you'll have had the shit. Oh, Bovril. Bovril. Bovril's beautiful. Oh, I love Bovril. When you're colder to match, Bovril's... You're not putting it on your feet, are you? It's psychological, it's in your hands. Bovril's average. That's because you spend time in Sunderland. That's a proper Sunderland drink. You're all in the posh seat, you see. He's a man of the people, boy, look at him.

1:25:32Gary Neville: If we could replay one match in our lives, what would it be? Well, I've just... Give mine away. Am I done? No, you're not honourable. Steve, you can leave.

1:25:44Ian Wright: You're earning your money this way. You know the England, Italy and Rome when I hit the post? I didn't miss the chance. See the post. They should have scored at the other end. Christian Vieri would have finished. You wouldn't be sitting here and all that. No, I'd have been done. Lynched. You know what? I'd do that. Replay a match because you enjoyed it. I actually loved it all. That'd be on the start of ITV. That goal wouldn't be. That's your moment. Was it a good chance? I'd like to see it again. You know what it was? Do you think you should have scored, truthfully? No. I was running out of space.

1:26:14Ian Wright: Do you remember it? So we went over. Can we see it? And then I told it past the goalie and it was Cannavaro coming back. So I had to stop it before it got to the line. Then I had to whip it quick and it hit the front of the post. Can we see that chance? I will watch it. It's good you're all for it, right? I'll never get over that. Who was the defender? Cannavaro. He always mentions, he never says an Italian defender. He always mentions him. Cannavaro. It was a harder chance. Or Ciro Ferraro. Or was it Maldini? No, but you know what? Maldini. I don't think Maldini was far enough over. Is he crazy?

1:26:41Ian Wright: No, it was Chira Ferrara. Costa Curta. Costa Curta. Costa Curta right back. Chira Ferrara, Cannavaro and Maldini. Wow. I had to take care of them for. You had to take care of them for. I had to take care of them for. And I got through and I thought, my gosh, this is it. It's all happening. Bam, it's two cards. Couldn't get it in there.

1:26:57Gary Neville: Enough. My game would be at Main Road. I gave away a big goal. He had Sean Goulter. Was that Sean Goulter? Yeah, that would be the one I'd probably replay. Actually, Roy must have been injured that day because I was captive. It was the first time I'd ever capped in United and I was subbed after like 60-odd minutes. Too much fear. You couldn't deal with it.

1:27:13Ian Wright: You couldn't deal with it. The armband waged it down. The armband waged it down. He was running like this. Jill, come on, let's finish on a high. Jill, come on. No, well, I was actually... Jill, the Euros. Well, I was going to say the Euros final, but when I was on the bench till the last 35 minutes and it was the most stressful, sitting on the bench in a Euros final, just, oh, hated it. I was fine once I got on the pitch, so I don't know if I'd want to... I'd want to relive the ending when you win. Is it worse when you're subbing them big ends? Oh, yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, just... Yeah, but we needed you.

1:27:47But it was a great watch. Oh, it's horrible. You're going, I'm going to do something here. Yeah, but I warmed up to get on and then was scored and then I didn't get on. Yeah, but then you had to come on to take care of him

1:27:57Ian Wright: at midfield. Of course, yeah, that's a good point. You came on and shut him down. Yeah, different role to what you had to do. Shut him down, Jill. I swore a few players. Well done, Jill. Honestly, that's it, though. If you're a striker watching players get tired, you're going to find it on the back game.

1:28:10Gary Neville: Roy, when's your game, by the way? You've gone quiet. You've just deflected. Which game would you like to replay? Would you say you went to us when you got the yellow card? You probably would, would you? You got two in that game. Two yellow cards.

1:28:21Ian Wright: Not two yellow cards. No, it's not a good journey. No. You got one yellow card, sorry. I watched that back. No, you were really good. Roy, that game? Oh, I don't know. There's no regrets. Is that your best performance? No, no. Oh, yeah.

1:28:36Gary Neville: I don't think so. Roy, everyone says it is. And Roy, the man... They're all wrong. So Alex did interview you today where he said it was as well.

1:28:43Ian Wright: Yes, it was. If Alex said it, then that's it. Has he got another book out?

1:28:49Gary Neville: I mean... So you've got a yellow card. So that game... No, no, no. Don't be getting me that book for Christmas. That game, you should replay it because, one, it was your best game. Best game ever. But secondly, you could get rid of the yellow card, maybe. Yeah, maybe. You tackled in that game. no brilliant I accept I accepted it about two years ago on a drive back to Ireland it came to me it did truthfully seriously yeah it's kind of a bit of peace with all of it no no that was all part of my journey in what way in accepting the situation in accepting maybe it wasn't me I kind of deserved a medal for it well you didn't deserve a medal for it no I did but for years I didn't believe that I was always like no when you miss a game but I would look back and go you know what because I see other players who didn't play many games but get on or involved in the squad and the first person I would be saying is of course you're part of the squad so I kind of done it with myself I go yeah maybe I deserved it but it took a few years it took a few years for acceptance and I got it about two years ago that's interesting well why don't you bring it in and we'll allocate you a medal and we'll get Micah's off him and give it to you Steve that would be that would be beautiful we're doing our medal ceremony no no no Steve do you also no but you do have them moments where you sort of come to terms with bad situations and you sort of appreciate your good situations even more.

1:30:07But you're on about medals with all the players. I don't want a medal off anyone. I accept that they don't want a medal. But what about... All I want is all this shite to go away. Exactly what I want. Let's focus on... Well, people talk about medals, but what about people... Truthfully, we talk about bonuses. Do you not ever think about what players... Would you rather have the bonus? You know something. You have a bonus in your contract, don't you? Don't all poke fun at me here. They said, listen...

1:30:27Ian Wright: But why have bonuses in your contract? I would... I'd take the bonus. I'd say, listen, keep the medal. The medal? Just give me the bonus. Everyone loves the bonus. I'll take it. Of course. I'll take the bonus. So you wouldn't have got the bonus for that final? No, but I don't... How much is that? I'm not bothered with the bonus for that. I might have bought, like, just go back and see each other. Yeah, he was. I'm not bothered with the bonus for that. He does not. I'm not the medal for that one, obviously. But if you're like... Yeah, the bonus in that. Well, what do you get for winning a Champions League?

1:30:49We didn't have bonuses. I think United, I'm going to say, was about... What have you got? Cheers, Benji. Have you got 150, 200 grand?

1:30:55Gary Neville: I thought we got 100 and a grand each. Right. For winning it. I think it was like a pot of one and a half million or something like that for the squad to win it. What about now if you would have won the Champions League? I think they'll be getting 500. Yeah, a bit big. And then there's the spin-offs, boot contracts. Of course, because you get something if you're wearing that boot.

1:31:11Ian Wright: Like, for instance, if you score in a Champions League final, a World Cup final, sure, you get more money off of... Or an FA Cup final. From Adidas or something. Yeah, I did. Did you? Oh, nice. I had to get that. Yeah, what are we doing? We are, yeah.

1:31:27Gary Neville: We're done. Howard, picture.

1:31:29Ian Wright: Howard, where's Howard?

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