Nick Mohammed

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1:03Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here at my house with Lenny sitting opposite me. Here I am, yeah. Stuck in the middle with you. What's that mean? I don't know, it's that song, isn't it? Steely Dan. From Reservoir Dogs.

1:16Jessie Ware: Steely Dan. No, it's not Steely Dan. Here I am. Stuck in the middle. But you're not in the middle, darling. Right, fine, whatever. You're opposite me. Really excited for the guest today. It's the brilliant Nick Muhammad, who is not only very funny, and I cannot wait for maybe Mr. Swallow to pop up today, is highly intelligent, also incredibly lovable when I watched him on Traitors, and he's here. He was lovable on Ted Lasso, too. Yeah, well, what, has he died in Ted Lasso? No. Oh, right, I hope that. But he's not featuring quite as much in the new series. Oh, really? No. Okay. He's coming on today to talk about War, which is a really good TV show.

2:02Oh, wow. It's on Sky Atlantic. It's HBO Max. It's got a massive cast.

2:08Jessie Ware: Fabulous cast, darling. It is for anyone, I was going to say for anyone who likes legal dramas with intrigue and... Sex. Sex, intrigue, devious behaviour. it will put you off getting divorced i think put you off getting married put you off getting married too um it's sienna miller and dominic dominic west at war in their divorce proceedings and nick plays one of the solicitors on sienna miller's team team she plays a woman called carla a film star um there's a lot of money involved it's um it's all about the money isn't it really money isn't it always yeah not always okay anyway it's really really good it's also got celia imri in it who was one of his traitors partners oh yes i wonder if it was done before or after traitors yeah and yeah so we're having him here today he's coming from manchester i think so he's brought his magic one with him i think he magic follows nick mohammed so I think we're okay um so I'm on cooking duty even though I forgot that I was on cooking duty how did you know so thankfully very sweetly Alexandra Dudley who you did um on James Norton's episode um the pistachio and dark chocolate delicious ice cream she sent me a cookbook she was so thrilled that we featured her food she sent me her new cookbook which is called cooking made simple and so I thought well that's exactly what I need I don't know what I'm cooking and so we're doing a pan fried chicken with chili tomatoes and mint which is very easy so I'm doing that doing it with some microwave onion rice classic and then I'm doing also another recipe from here which is green beans with pecorino and pine nuts and basil yeah and it's in a kind of lemony oil dressing.

4:09And then I'm just doing a green salad with it. And then I did a really impressive meringue cake. A flowerless chocolate meringue cake. Oh, wow. It looked so good yesterday.

4:22Jessie Ware: And how's it look today? It sunk. Okay. I think the taste... It will taste will fire. Is that Nick Mohamed at the door? Nick Mohamed coming up on Table Manners.

4:40Hi Nick. Hello. You've just come in from Manchester. I have, I have indeed. How was the gig last night? It was fun, it was fun. I was just saying it's an outdoor gig, which I don't tend to do. And it's just... It was an outdoor gig and it was raining. And I was doing half an hour at the end and about 10, 15 minutes in it really started to rain. But the audience were kind of great. I mean they were kind of game for it and they sort of knew what was going to happen I guess. Did it change your set at all? It didn't, but there's a bit in the middle of the set where I basically talk about Les Mis for about 10 minutes.

5:11Oh. Where I just sort of just describe the story. It's quite boring. And I'm really conscious that it's quite a long bit and there's no way out of it. I can't just hurry through it. I have to do the whole thing. And so I really felt for them because I was like, well, this is the bit. Probably the least best bit for it to start chucking it down is in this bit. But it was fine. Was it Mr. Swallow last night? It was Mr. Swallow, yeah. So are you now resting your voice? It's weird because if I do a gig, if I'm touring, then I kind of get into a routine. But if I do sort of a random gig, you know, sucks out of what that is.

5:42Even for half an hour, I really feel it by the end of the gig. So I'm a little bit, a bit croakier. I may ask you to do a bit of Mr.

5:48Jessie Ware: Swallow later. There's a thing about Manchester rain. Yeah. It's wetter. It's wetter than any other rain in any other part of the country. It seeps into your bones. It's the north. And there's that fine rain, that really fine rain. Yeah, I feel a bit like Peter Kane now. Oh, it's that fine rain. right gets you right wet exactly exactly have you had breakfast yet i had what did i have i had like a brunch bar that's my breakfast oh yeah like one of them cabbrees yeah i mean it was just chocolate delicious it is delicious it's not breakfast i i don't always have breakfast is that bad no don't always have breakfast unless we're on holiday and then i'll like really go for it but otherwise i'll Or just, well, yeah, or just sort of having beans on toast or something.

6:32Oh, right. Yeah, I like that. Beans on toast I haven't had for ages. If I could only have one meal forever, at lunchtime or breakfast, it would be beans on toast. That's a great new addition as a question, which we're now going to steal. Thank you. Beans on toast. Cheese? Cheese and ham if there's ham. Ham? Yeah. Buttered toast, ham. That's cold.

6:53Jessie Ware: Which, why do you want to brown bread? Brown. Brown. Brown. buttered ham beans cheese black pepper who introduced you to that I think I just sort of worked it out myself fair enough it's not complicated so not a big breakfast person but love a baked bean on toast with ham and cheese um can you cook I think I can cook probably sort of three things quite well and then I wouldn't say I'm a very ambitious cook I mean I've got we've got three kids as well so it's all about kind of having time for it as well yeah do you bring in you've got a very interesting heritage so do you do the greek cypriot are you greek or turkish greek cypriot greek cypriot yeah yeah and can you cook greek food can you talk no actually actually no i can't really cook greek i because my dad cooked more i guess growing up a lot and so and he's from trinidad so what were some of the meals that you were getting well it's just more that everything was served with rice delicious which I love yeah and still love yeah and I probably have rice every other day you're having rice today actually perfect good job Jess and so I and and and everything's spice like everything's spice and I love spicy so do you I'll just add spice to anything I'm really conscious that I went on off menu and sounded mad when I described my favorite meal so I'm really trying to hone in on this.

8:24No don't. But I will put hot pepper sauce on pretty much anything.

8:28Jessie Ware: I was going to ask you whether you're a hot pepper sauce person. Yeah. Which is your hot pepper sauce to go to? Encona. The really hot, but there's one that's like normal Encona which is delicious and then they do one which you can't always get in the supermarket but you can get it online, like on like an online shop. The dark web. Yeah you have to really really search for it which I think is just called extra hot and that is delicious because it is really hot but it's also really tasty. But how do you taste the rest of your food if it's so hot? I think because I was eating it from such a young age I kind of am just so...

8:56So brought up on hot food. Hot pepper sauce. Was your dad putting that on the table? Yeah. And so you'd have this delicious food and he'd add it? I would say that between my mum and dad my mum would always have a lemon on the table and my dad would always have hot pepper sauce on the table and I will occasionally add lemon to chicken like squeeze a bit of lemon over cooked like roast chicken.

9:17Jessie Ware: Very Greek. Which is Greek. yeah are you joking no you're having a go you know a bit of lemon on his chicken yeah yeah yeah that's the extent of it and then hot pepper sauce would be the addition from my dad's side that's i mean actually i think i may have nailed today's dish today go on it's is it lemon it's chicken yeah with lemon chili tomato and mint and then with some rice so i feel like i've like I've hit all the things. You can get the hot pepper sauce out as well. I can get a hot sauce out. Fine. So we're covered. How does your wife feel about you having hot pepper sauce or everything?

10:00Does she find it offensive or is she just so used to it? No, she's completely used to it. She would have, yeah, occasionally. And like if I make, it's like I made a chilli the other night. And that was sort of by accident quite spicy, like maybe a bit too spicy. For the kids. The kids didn't have it. This is just for Becca and I. The kids had gone to bed. And so we just sort of like, oh, let's have a nice sort of grown up chilli. And I slightly overdid it with the spice. But she still ate it and loved it. But it was probably a bit spicy. I used to find it really irritating when my husband would put, I still find it irritating, when he'd not even taste the meal and he'd already be adding hot sauce.

10:36Oh, OK. I'm like, can you just give it a try first? Maybe it doesn't need it today. No, I think I would always, I don't think Becca would ever make something that's really, really spicy. so I would always possibly add it yeah would you add it to spaghetti bolognese not bolognese but I would add it to like a pasta which is maybe pesto and stuff like oh god yeah I know I know I know I feel yeah sorry and no and you've got three kids I've got three kids what age what age is that 10 8 and 3 oh okay we've got kind of similar in age yeah yeah so master swallow is that your 10 year old so he has played master swallow yeah he is the older have you ever tried Are any of the others playing Master Swallow?

11:17No. Do any of the others do Master Swallow? It's funny the idea of Arthur doing it, just because Arthur's got such a brilliant sense of humour, but he's incredibly unpredictable with it as well. Is he the three-year-old? No, he's the eight-year-old, and Annie's three. I'd love it for Annie. Madame Swallow. Madame Swallow. I mean, she would probably love it. She's got a great sense of humour. Although it's weird, because when Finn did that on Cast His Countdown, he was only, I want to say he was six and a half, seven. No, yeah, you thought he was six and three quarters. Yeah. And he said, actually, I'm six and a half.

11:47Okay, yeah, and he would know, yeah. But he has got, he's sort of got a very special memory. He's basically got, I never know how to pronounce it. Is it eidetic memory? I don't know. I definitely don't have it. Eidetic memory. So almost like a, not quite a photographic memory, but a very, very good recall, memory recall. But you have that too. To a lesser extent, but yes, to a degree. How did you find this out? Well, for Finn, it was quite obvious, I think, because we were, there were just times like, I remember so specifically when he was like 18 months, he was certainly under two. And so obviously he couldn't read, but we would say, go and get the something book.

12:30And so, and he would recognize the book by its spine. And I remember he had like a compendium of Thomas a Tank sort of characters book. And so it had a hundred different characters in, and we would like say, turn to the page that, I don't know, Gordon is on. And obviously he can't read, but he would be able to recognise. And there was like 100 different characters. So we knew that he had a very good kind of visual memory from quite a young age. Were you kind of testing him out at that point? Oh yeah, by then we were like, this is great. Send him to the circus. Yeah, we loved it. And because I love all that kind of stuff.

12:57So yeah. So I'm just going to get the chicken a little bit more browned. Right. But whilst I do that, my mum will carry on asking you questions next season. Oh, I've got squash. Do you want some squash? I'd love some squash. You love squash. I do love squash. Did you get back into squash when you had kids? Or have you never, ever gone away from it? So which is your flavour, darling? Orange, orange and mango, orange and pineapple. Orange and mango? Oh. Yeah. I even like the little, I even occasionally would take one of those little kind of little bullets, you know, the little pouchy thing. The tiny ones, yeah.

13:27The tiny ones, like if we're going away, sort of squeeze a bit into them. What, a fruit shop? Yeah, there you go. Yeah.

13:32Jessie Ware: No, you can get like the concentrate. Well, these are the swell. Oh. And here's a little fact. Claudia Winkleman sat in front of her at the BAFTAs and she had a little one in her her handbag because they just have water at the bath does and she was like she was just going around putting a little bit of squash and it was perfect oh my god I love that about Winkleman something happening in your handbag mum would you mind if I made that squash because it's not the ratio is going to be a nightmare it's tricky in a small one yes no the double strength double strength you've got to be careful it fucks me up I think I prefer the orange to the we're all going to go orange if that's what Nick wants absolutely fine yes would you like some finest thank you fine great cheers cheers everybody thank you No, this is not any...

14:09It's pishy. It's like a Pinot Noir. I know. Do you need something? Do you need a top-up? Yeah, I need a top-up, don't I? Yeah, but it could go one way or the other. Did you introduce squash to the Ted Lasso Americans? That's it, thank you. Oh, that's an interesting one. I don't know. I will have definitely taken... They can't get squash in America. No, no. No, I don't think I did, actually. I definitely had some in my dressing room, though. Did you? That's not your idea. Pretty much. It's just that and a biscuit. A biscuit? Yeah, chocolate biscuit. What chocolate is this one? Which is just a dark, sort of dark chocolate McVinsey.

14:41It's just really straightforward. Oh, the dark digested. Yeah, I love it. Me too. That would be the only thing ever on a rider, if I ever had a rider. Didn't you have one last night? A rider? No. No. There was snacks in the green room, though, because it was a mixed bill line-up. Oh, OK. So there were some snacks, actually, which was nice.

14:56Jessie Ware: Were you top of the bill? I was. Muzzles. Thank you very much. That's what we know. so look you've been involved in one of the most the biggest kind of football lovely comedy program do you play football I don't I'm afraid and I would go as far as saying I'm really really bad at pretty much all sports and um never mind you've got other qualities thank you thank you do you like football oh no increase increasingly increasingly and oddly enough my son has got into it like and I don't really know how I think for his school actually does he support Leeds no Liverpool oh why yeah I think just because his cousin supports Liverpool I don't really know like some of his friends at school yeah it's really weird yeah I don't think he's never been he's no like I don't think he's ever been to Liverpool actually but he's never he's certainly and he's I mean he's watched a few matches on telly but not even that much he only really got into it about five months ago but there is a romance about Liverpool right and football don't you think in some respect Possibly I mean I love Liverpool as a place and so I can imagine that it is quite romantic I can see playing cards and they're really distracting Yeah well look Sorry You may have thought maybe later Oh okay yeah later Is that like an alcoholic seeing a glass of wine and being like God I gotta get that It was weird because I saw them at first I thought it was a pack of cigarettes and I was like oh what is this show and then and then I was like oh no no Waddington's playing cards No we thought we'd play Kaluki later That'd be cool as well Do you want me to do a trick?

16:25Jessie Ware: Yes Always It's the most fun, attractive thing in the world. Jonathan Ross brings cards along when he was on it. Does he? I think Jason Isaacs had some, wanted to do a card trick. Well, you know that Jason Sudeikis as well is like a massive magic nut. Do you have a magic off? Oh, we would just do card tricks. Particularly in season one. When it was season two, it was really COVID-y, so we couldn't really socialise or kind of do stuff when we were not filming. But when we were on season one, I mean, he would regularly just have like a deck of cards during read-throughs and just sort of like fiddle with them and stuff.

17:00Jessie Ware: Are you a member of the Magic Circle? I am actually, yeah. Oh, wow. How hard was that to get into? Well, I actually only joined it, I mean, not recently, but relatively recently. As in, because I'd been doing magic from such a young age and I had joined the Northern Magic Circle, who lived in Leeds. and so I had been a member of that since I was like 12 like a junior member then kind of carried on into being a an older member but it was only once I'd moved to London that I joined the Magic Circle just because there was sort of no point otherwise because I mean one of the best things about the Magic Circle particularly is that they've got a library which you can use and go and it's got like basically every magic book and it's great it's just in Euston like on Euston just off Euston Road basically and so um and they you know they do events and things but actually I mean I don't want to speak you know if you are outside of London you can obviously join and should join probably but um uh it was more beneficial once you were kind of living in London so I only I only joined in like 2012 13 or something like a big deal at that point no because I'd already worked professionally as a magician I've been like president of Bradford Magic Circle like a few years before so I sort of felt like I was already kind of within magic but I still had to audition and stuff and actually I did my first audition I got disqualified well because I I sort of broke a rule so I did I used a stooge in it which you're not allowed to do well it's kind of and it wasn't really a stooge so a stooge is when you basically get somebody uh to play along a little bit but they were you set them up like they've been set up but it wasn't it wasn't just oh say that you were thinking of the four of diamonds it was more elaborate than that they basically did like a without going into like magic methods too much but they did like a fake shuffle of a certain pack of cards so that people thought they were genuinely mixed and they weren't and I had sort of targeted them to sit on the end of a row so they'd be the person who shuffled them last and you were cheating there I was cheating but that was only like one effect out of three or four and also like but also as a magician like the whole thing is cheating Don't say it, don't say it Don't say it And also I remember Before I auditioned I remember them saying to me Whatever you do, do not try and fool the people Who are judging you because they're often Who are the judges?

19:09Well they're like people who are quite high up in the magic circle And I was told do not do that because it will kind of piss them off If they can't work out what you've done So it was just a red rag to a bull So I was like well I want to do something now deliberately That will fool them And the only real way I could probably do that Was by kind of doing something quite intricate like that And it was a really involved set up. And the trick was more elaborate. It didn't just rely on that. It relied on other sleight of hand and other things kind of going on. And because they kind of effectively couldn't work out what I'd done, they basically said, well, you must have used a stooge.

19:36And so we're going to need to kind of confront you about this. And I was like, well, actually, they did a deck switch. And then they phoned that person who was also a member and were like, how dare you? What were you thinking? They take it really seriously. You're lucky to be in, mate. And then I did it again. And then it was fine. And they were all that. I mean, it was all quite tongue in cheek, but they are quite stickless to their rules and stuff.

19:53Jessie Ware: So when you were wiling the time away on Traitors, were you doing lots of magic? I only did, there was, I mean, you didn't get actually that much downtime, really. I remember distinctly doing, or Jonathan showed me a trick, after we had finished filming, but we were waiting to sort of go. And so they, obviously, it looks in the programme that you get in those cars and you kind of go off. But obviously, it's a slightly more elaborate way out of the castle, because they don't want you to see who was going in what direction and who might be going up to the turret, you know. So you're actually in like a holding area and sort of dismissed at random.

20:28So you have no way of kind of knowing, oh, they've been dismissed early. So maybe that means something. So and it's really late at night. And I remember I think there was probably a pack of cards because you can't bring anything into the castle either. But there was a pack of cards as part of that room. And so I remember showing Claire boarding a trick. And I think Jonathan showed a trick as well. And we were just talking about magic. And so but yeah, I love that. It was fun.

20:48Jessie Ware: Have you had a reunion? Do you have WhatsApp? There was. Jonathan organised one, which I sadly couldn't make, and I think I was filming or I was in Edinburgh. I can't remember the reason why. I was going to say, that sounds absolutely gorgeous. You're just putting water on something. And we have a WhatsApp group, which is great. And I've seen, like I've seen Jo Marla a fair bit. I've seen Claudia, and there's been other people who I've seen. So it's been really nice. Did you kind of, when you came out, did you kind of miss them? Did you have withdrawal? And you felt you needed to be with them again?

21:18It's a strange, it's such a strange thing because it's such a, you know, you kind of, we filmed it over April of May of last year. And then it, you know, it didn't come out until October of that year. So there's a good sort of four or five months where you can't talk, obviously you can't talk about it. You can't give anything away and you're not doing press for it because everything's embargoed and you can't talk about it. So to a degree, it almost feels like it never happened. But, you know, it's such a surreal experience as well. And you've got no access to the outside world or you don't have your phone on you or anything like that during it.

21:49So did you manage without your phone? Oh, it was great. I mean, it was just. Oh, you liked it.

21:53Jessie Ware: Jesse, I don't think, could survive that. Well, you kind of realise that. To be honest, darling. Jesse's on her phone even when we're trying to do sponsors. Well, I use my phone a lot and, you know, use it a lot for work and stuff. But actually, I found it quite easy to sort of just give it up. And it was quite nice. Did your kids, could you speak to your children? I was allowed once a day to FaceTime them, but only with the producers listening into the phone calls. Oh my God, like you're in prison. Yeah, because they take it so seriously and kind of rightly so, because if anything gets out, the game is over really.

22:22So that was the most difficult thing, and not being able to tell them exactly when I would be going, because I didn't know. And so I could be back in 48 hours, I could be gone three weeks, which I turned out I was. I wanted to ask, as a segue into why you're on today, Celia Imry is in the new TV show on HBO Max Sky Atlantic War which is really good Have you seen it? I've seen some of it I've watched four episodes

22:49Jessie Ware: I've watched three Do you feature more as it goes along? Yes and in season two Oh there's a season two Yeah there's a season two already But I almost want to watch it all because I watched four episodes. It's really compelling. It is compelling, yeah. I mean, George K, the writer, writes kind of like proper page-turner thrillers. It's just... Well, that's what I said to Jessie. It's not just a legal drama. It's a thriller as well with intrigue in it. And it's got quirks to it as well. I think there's kind of funny characters within it as well. And we had an absolute blast doing it. It was really, really fun.

23:30And that's an example of a show that, I mean, And, you know, because you're not, you know, and obviously I wasn't in it every single day. But actually, when we were in filming those scenes, we're all in together, including Celia, because it's such an ensemble show. And we all got on like an absolute house on fire. So it was great. And in fact, when Celia and I first started on that, we were filming whilst the Traitors was going out, actually. So occasionally, Ben Taylor, the director who directed the first block, he would catch us sort of whispering in a corner, sort of like, oh, I know what's going to happen.

23:59And then he was like, are you doing Traitors chat? and we're like, oh yeah, sorry, and we realised that we were mic'd and we were like, we shouldn't give anything away. But it's so good because, well, I like legal dramas anyway,

24:09Jessie Ware: but I was saying to Jessie, this is as much about money as anything. Yes, I mean, this particularly, this first season is about like a sort of, I guess, like a tech sort of billionaire and his wife played brilliantly by Sienna, who is so great. She plays an actress. Yeah, she's so good. I mean, they're both incredible. and it's great that Sienna was our client so we got to hang out lots which was great she's kind of this fading actress and she's so gorgeous she can't believe she'd fade at all I know she was brilliant in that Dominic West is brilliant as well and they've characterised all the legal teams so cleverly it's really fun it's a really fun show I'm very aware that we've got the pack of cards I will get a magic trick out of you at some point but we shall eat now of course

25:06it looks absolutely delicious i'm gonna say and it smells gorgeous i'm gonna give alexandre dudley a shout out because i actually forgot i was cooking today yes and then so yesterday god bless a cardo i got i basically went through this new cookbook which is by alexandre dudley and I did two recipes from it, which looked really great. And it was, I hate to say it, it was very easy, but it does smell really good. Well, it doesn't look easy. It looks incredible. You're very sweet. But yeah, we're doing pan fried chicken thighs. Nice pan, darling. Yeah, it's hot though, mum. Pan fried chicken with tomatoes and chilli and mint and lemon.

25:43Gorgeous. And then we've got green beans with pecorino and pine nuts and basil. Saw some cheese on there. That's great. I've got more if you need it. And then we do, it's maybe a bit cold now but microwave rice which I do with onion and chicken stock that sounds nice delicious and easy and then I put some crispy crispy onions in there too crisps no I put some crispy onions in there what you did the rice in the microwave yeah I always do it not a pouch no no but like you boil it I've got some Tilda special that I just microwave for 30 seconds you put an onion on it you just put oh wow yeah and then I put crispy rice and then put a tiny bit of oil in.

26:23Oh, I'm going to do that. Literally. Help yourself. I won't do tonight. It's actually in our cookbook.

26:28Jessie Ware: Oh, right. Yes, it's a really, it's a big, you know, it's a delicacy. Oh my God, that's such a great idea. It's very easy, mate, because it's like all contained and it just means it doesn't take a hob. Thank you. Pleasure. Right. Thank you. Thank you. I'll serve you some chicken in a minute. Are you in the new Ted Lasso at all? Not allowed to say. Oh, okay. Well, I haven't seen you yet. Very professional. That's all I can say. Really professional. I think that means he is. Yeah. But you say no more. Keep watching. Keep watching. Yeah. But what a great show. I love it. I love it. And I love this new season.

27:03I think it's absolutely brilliant. I think everyone in it is phenomenal. I think Tanny Reynolds is so good.

27:08Jessie Ware: It's the last one, isn't it? I thought they said it's the last one. No, if it is, well, look, it depends on what I think Jason wants to do. But Jason has sort of, I think, come out and said that he likes, he thinks of things in threes. And I'd be surprised if they just did one season of the women's football team. Okay. And so, but you know, I don't know. I don't know officially. Thank you very much. Wow wee. So when Master Swallow went on Cats, he probably just thought, I'm going to dad's office. Yeah, I mean, he kind of knew that, he knew that it was a performance and he'd seen clips of me on Countdown before, but he was like six and a half, So he had no kind of comprehension of what a TV show is like.

27:49He was completely adorable. I mean, it was sort of incredible how unfazed he was. Oh my God. We were more nervous than he was. And I think the producers were really nervous because I said, oh, I don't want him to rehearse because if he gets nervous, then like if we rehearse and he's nervous or he messes something up or something, then he'll just be. So I said, let's just show him where he's going to sit and where he wouldn't. But that's all he needs to sort of really know about. we don't need to run it free. So they were like, well, we've never had a kid on the show before ever because it's a grown-up show, right?

28:20With lots of bad language and so on and so forth. And he had to have a chaperone and all kinds of things, but he loved it. Absolutely loved it. And didn't find it. I mean, he did the Northern accent at the beginning. He did, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, do you sometimes go into Mr. Swallow at home when you want them to do something or whether you're trying to make them go to bed and you're like, you become Mr. Swallow? No, I do occasionally leave voice notes as Mr. Swallow if I'm away. That's so sweet. But no, I don't, I mean, it sounds a weird thing to say. I sometimes think as Mr. Swallow, like I think of the most sort of inappropriate, weird thing to say.

28:53And sometimes I'll just say it in my own voice. But they've come to like the Mr. Swallow live shows, which is quite nice. It's sweet when they come along. Mr. Swallow's a lovely character that was modelled on your teacher. Yeah, yeah. Who was Mrs. Swallow. Well, she was a swallow, but she would swallow a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you had a fondness for her. Mm-hmm. Was she a good teacher? um i think that's debatable i think she was absolutely crackers and she taught us gc english so my show last live show show pony um of which is a special coming out at some point soon because we filmed it in leeds um amazing yeah which is really fun coming out on netflix well universal distributing it so um it'll end up on a platform like that um at some point um and um and and so i talk about it a lot in the show but yeah she was she was the inspiration behind the character and she taught us English GCSE.

29:45But really, it was like she'd got into teaching because she just loved the sound of her own voice and loved to kind of grandstand and sort of platform. So I remember like so distinctly just like lessons where she would just sort of stomp in and say, right, we're going to have a debate about capital punishment. And we were like, well, why? Like, well, it's not on the syllabus. She was absolutely crackers.

30:05Jessie Ware: So I'm a very pushy, proud Jewish mother. Perfect. Me too. What do you think? I thought you were. What do you think your parents are most proud of? Being part of the magic circle, going off to Durham and then Cambridge, being on... Well, maybe not Cambridge just because I quit. Because I then quit to do comedy. Yeah, but you could always... Haven't they given you like an honorary PhD yet? Oh, I did. I got an honorary, yeah. Well, honorary doctorate, but that was from Durham, yeah. Did they mind that you weren't going to do something serious, that you were going to... What were your parents' jobs?

30:40GP was my mum and then solicitor, like my dad worked in law. Yeah. So quite, you know, quite normal jobs.

30:46Jessie Ware: Did they want you to do kind of a more conservative career? I don't think that they had any kind of grand plan. I think it was more that I'd always been sort of, I'd always been quite academic at school and then going to university and then starting doing a PhD in geophysics. So it sort of felt like, oh, I was on a sort of a trajectory that would end up in a relatively normal job, like either in academia or I guess probably work for an oil company, which would be a bit frowned upon, I guess now. And so I think it was a gear change for sure to then be like, I'm just going to like just go and pursue comedy.

31:20But they were supportive. I think they were nervous, I think. But supportive. But supportive, yeah. We haven't even talked about your violin playing. We don't have to talk about that. Well, I mean, you were obviously a gifted child. I don't know. I mean, yes. I don't know. Well, I became obsessed with things. And like magic was definitely one of those. And that is something that you can really obsess over as a kid. You can just sort of fiddle all the time. And I did love music. And I loved classical music from a really young age, which was going against the grain a little bit. It's not like all my friends were into classical music.

31:55That was sort of just my thing. Did your parents listen to me? Not really, no.

31:58Jessie Ware: Did you play anything else? Piano. You played piano, didn't you? But I didn't get taught piano. I just played by ear. Yeah, you want to. Oh, God. But by saying that, I don't mean in a self-aggrandizing way. And also, I should say, I'm also not that good. And my wife is literally an incredible musician. Oh, really? Oh, is that how you met? It's exactly how we met, yeah. How did you meet? Meet through orchestra at Durham. We played in the same university orchestra. She was playing viola. And what was playing when you met? That's such a great question and no one's ever asked. Right, let me work it out.

32:27So it would have been... It would have been... Well, we would have been rehearsing probably Sibelius II, the second symphony. and it is absolutely gorgeous.

32:37Jessie Ware: Or maybe it was the company. Excuse me, were you first violin? I was second, actually. I played first violin in the chamber orchestra and I played second violin in the symphony orchestra. So can you just, if you don't mind, I just want to see you, saw each other across. What was she playing, sorry? Viola. Viola, so you were kind of near each other. Yeah, I was sort of like, the seconds were sort of round hit. We were all kind of cramped into the music department and she was sort of there. And I remember so distinctly the first time that I saw her. Like, absolutely. And the first time where we sat down and had a drink.

33:12And it was all part of a group. And it was outside of the Swan and Three Signets, which is a pub in Durham. And remember thinking, oh, she's really exciting and gorgeous and interesting. And yeah, yeah. And she is phenomenal, like a phenomenal person, incredible music teacher and pianist. Oh, she's a music teacher? She's a director of music, yeah. Oh, OK, amazing. So which do your kids play instruments? They are learning. So they, Annie's a little bit little at the moment, but Finn and Arthur play piano and then violin and cello. Are they enjoying it? Have they got the bug? I think that they do enjoy it.

33:48They don't like it. They do enjoy it, actually. Yeah, they do. They don't, we've never kind of wanted to kind of push anything kind of on them. And particularly because we're, you know, quite, we, you know, we musicians and, well, you know, we like playing a lot. But we never wanted them to feel that they kind of have to. But they do, they do enjoy it, I think. And back to, we haven't even asked the question that we always ask. What? About what was a memorable dish from your childhood when you were growing up? Well, I really like, on my mum's chicken rice soup. so like it was like a

34:21Jessie Ware: like a fogliamo with the lemon in it yes exactly yes exactly yes exactly yeah it's an fogliamo soup with lemon and chicken how would you say aqua lemon yeah I don't know I'm doing the English way but yes exactly you're telling the Greeks with the kind of with like egg white you fold egg white into it at the end with the lemon and lemon and sort of boiled chicken and that was I used to like that a lot chicken soup say it can you say any Greek malakas what does that mean bastard Bastard. Oh, right. Oh, okay. No, I didn't hear those words. A gapimu. What does that mean? My love. Oh, okay. Yeah. You don't know that.

34:56No.

34:57Jessie Ware: Yeah, even misspent youth. No, I think he was busy doing other shit. Yeah, he was. Not going a gapimu to people. And then you said your dad cooked. So what was a memorable dish from your dad's side? Well, he does obviously make a good curry, good chicken curry. He makes good chickpeas. Like spicy rice was just always really, really nice. It's very nice as well. What else would he make? But he was very good at like just sort of quite general, like, you know, just a roast. Like he would make a good roast. Have you got brothers and sisters? Yeah, I've got a sister, yeah. So were you, because you're musical and you were quite busy, extracurricular, did you all eat at the same time or people?

35:39Jessie Ware: And your mother, your mum was a GP, so she was... No, we would, I mean, definitely, we'd always eat together on a Sunday. Yeah. And then there'd definitely be meals, like I remember actually distinctly after Horsford Music Centre because that was on a Saturday. We would then sort of sit down and basically have like kind of a fry up at lunchtime on a Saturday. But no, during the week it was quite mixed because everyone was doing different things. And particularly once I got into, I guess, A-levels, I would just sit in my room and just do homework until like probably about nine o 'clock and then would eat, which is probably quite unhealthy to kind of eat that late.

36:13But so we would probably get into a habit of eating at slightly different times during the week.

36:18Jessie Ware: What was, if you had a birthday, what was your celebratory meal? Did you go out to eat Chinese? Yeah, Chinese. And what's your favourite Chinese? I love Chinese. A beef in satay sauce. Yeah. I would love chicken fried rice, mushroom chow mein. Yeah. Yeah, I do love Chinese. Can you recite any menus from your local Chinese? No, but I did for a show, did learn the Wagamama menu. Yeah, I know. Can you still remember? No, I can't. And they have, I think, changed. I think they've changed it. but I remembered the numbers against each dish and the price of each dish and that was quite a fun routine to do and then weirdly Wagamama because they did that on Cancer's Can and they got in contact with some vouchers well they did and I was like you can't give us this, it's too much and so they gave some to charity and then they were like oh here's a 50 quid voucher I was like oh that's good we can go out and have a meal I would have taken the card mate so is it still Chinese for your celebration?

37:10I think so I think if I was I like an Indian as well I mean we don't take away all the time but a Chinese would be the go-to. I've really got into Chinese again. I love it. But memorising the Wagamamas, it's quite... When did that come to you, Nick, to do that as a... It's such a stupid thing. It really works. I think I just found it funny. I mean, I've always been on the lookout for... Because I would never say that... Can you just take that away? Thank you very much. Would you like any more? No, no, but it was absolutely delicious. Thank you. So I don't know exactly what the reason was for kind of thinking, oh, I should memorise the Wagamama menu.

37:44but I'm always on the lookout for tricks that I can do through Mr Swallow because Mr Swallow is not like a magician in the way that you wouldn't if you're going to see a Mr Swallow show I don't think people think oh we're going to see a magic show necessarily and I don't think people think of me as a magician even though I love magic and I do do magic in some of the live shows and really properly kind of vocal about being passionate about it but I feel like there are certain tricks that work well for Mr Swallow and certain things which just wouldn't work for example and actually it was in the same show that that Wagamama menu routine ended up being a part of as well but I remember the problem with that show as a whole was actually because there was quite a lot of magic in it was that I was having to both be the kind of the consummate host because often as a magician you need to get people to do the things that you need them to do you need to stand in the right place you need to get out so and there's often quite a lot of business within magic and because Mr Swallow was so kind of haphazard and easily distracted it didn't that would fight against to kind of, oh, but I actually do need you to sort of pay attention now.

38:41And I sort of realised that the hard way, actually doing that show, thinking, oh, actually there are some tricks in here which just don't work because I'm sort of trying to play the fool and get them to do what I want them to do and actually doesn't quite work. But whereas the Wagamama menu was just that sort of sweet spot, I think, in that it's sort of silly enough to feel like a Mr. Swallow routine, but then impressive enough that it feels like a magic trick as well. So I always, and even now, you know, I'll see magic tricks or I sign up to lots of like mailing lists where you can kind of get sent like the latest tricks and stuff.

39:13And I'm like, oh, is that, you know, and often I'm like, oh, I'd love to know how that works. Or I'd love to have a play around with that if it's a gimmick or something. But then ultimately I'm like, oh, could I, would I be able to get away with it as Mr. Swallow on stage? Like, does it feel like a routine that Mr. Swallow would do? So is that how it works? You'll get like sent new tricks? Well, you can, you can buy them. Yeah. You can buy them. Yeah, but I mean, I would mostly buy books which have kind of details about methods or routines, which other magicians write and put out.

39:41Jessie Ware: Are magicians competitive? It is a competitive... Oh, I would say, and also ego is a huge problem in magic. More so than in... Than comedy? More than in comedy, more than in acting, more than in... You would be absolutely horrified. Magicians' egos, because the premise of being a magician is to do something that nobody else can do and there's no sort of explanation for it. there is a reason why magician attracts men that it just gives them power and there's a reason why the magic circle is like 95 percent male i mean it's a female magician i don't either well there are some and they're brilliant but they but there are there aren't in that you know you've chosen like three careers that are full of egos i presume but you seem to have no ego oh oh well no i've got Well, I've got like, the thing is, I think about this quite a lot because I think I do have an ego, like as in to a degree.

40:36I mean, hopefully I'm not, but not. But if you look at the ingredients of what ego is, like having pride in your work, having confidence, sort of feeling that you can sort of speak up or you have authority or experience. I sort of think that you need all the ingredients for ego, I think, to survive this sort of industry to a degree. but there's obviously a tipping point when confidence in your ability tips into arrogance or pride in your work is at the expense of someone else or something like that so so I think and or ambition becomes reckless ambition or something like that so I feel like ego sort of sometimes gets a bad rap in terms of a thing but I don't I don't think but you can self-regulate exactly and I think it is important to actually I think you have to probably be ambitious and you want to create original and you want to share them but I think it's keeping it in check and knowing when often you're not the best person in the room to make a decision.

41:28And actually the times when I've been, I think, doing stuff that I'm most proud of has often been because I'm surrounded by other people who are much better than I am.

41:36Jessie Ware: It's a subterfuge in magic. Like people are trying to watch how you do it so they can copy it and steal your trick. Well, there's a lot of that that goes on. But then it's really weird because I think, and not me, but within magic. I mean, no one has, I think, stole it because I've not put out anything that's probably interesting enough to kind of for people to want to to replicate but it's a weird thing in magic because often and and for decades and decades and sort of even is true now you're sort of expected to do the kind of classic routines and you're not really meant to deviate from them I mean even within magic competitions which exist within magic societies and so on and there are some really big ones with big prizes like international ones you know there's often an award for originality and it feels mad to me that you would ever award originality like originality should be just an absolute given but there is a specific award for a magician to do something original which actually means that actually for the large part magicians aren't necessarily doing something original and i mean the good ones always are but you know 70 80 percent of magicians are probably doing tricks that a lot of other magicians okay come and give us give us a magic okay okay so this bit is going to be quite trick right um with it like sorry that's like a that's definitely my son that's there was some i did see there was a nibble we'll get rid of the three so basically if you are listening on audio you can probably switch to visual now and um wow that was like a croupier thanks so much guys i was really impressed that was quite good actually yeah i'll just do it again let's see if i can do it i love the noise of color so great i follow quite a few i think this is the best one I'm going to prove PN.

43:14Oh, that didn't work. See, I shouldn't have done it again. Do I need to shuffle more? That's absolutely fine, as long as you're happy that they're mixed. And obviously, this is your deck of cards. So, let's have, if you take a card, and I'm going to, I'm going to deliberately look away, so you don't think I'm sneaking or anything. And if you, I don't know if you want to, you can show Jesse or show me the camera, or if you keep it to yourself, it's inside the empty. Happy, happy. I'm going to look away still. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you've got it close to you, so I can't see. I'm going to turn around.

43:40okay so if you uh if you pop it back there face down and just let me know when that's done yeah yeah don't look at that no you're kidding that's just really bad patter that i kind of got into a bad habit of doing when i do like weddings and stuff i did remember that you did remember it oh okay well don't worry it's not important um so um but you can remember what your card was that you chose okay so don't give me any don't give me any clues or anything i think your card was all right i'm gonna if it's all right i'm gonna have four chances probably quite high i think it's a red card that's one two three uh one two three four okay i'm pretty confident it's one of these we'll put the rest of those there um wasn't that i don't know that's fine um let's put that down on there um next one on top wasn't that one no no okay fine um put that there next one um on top um your card was a red card though it's genuinely not right no no it's not the not one of those okay no it's fine it's fine it's fine it's fine oh god um put your no no hang on can you just pop your hand on one of those cards but just just one and just keep your fingers on it um hang on a second oh god this is so embarrassing should we do another one no no hang on so how are you so these weren't yours okay fine um no you're gonna trick us you're this is part of it what was the card that you chose you can say Here we go.

44:59Jessie Ware: Here we go. There you are. You are so naughty. Naughty. It was naughty. You are so naughty. I knew that you were spoofing us. That was great acting too, by the way. Just like that was fantastic. Oh, bless you. Well done. Thank you.

45:19So this is Alexandra Dudley's flourless chocolate meringue cake. Oh my God. Yeah, you make it in two parts and it has dipped, but it did look amazing yesterday, Nick. It looks amazing now. It looks great now. Do you like sweet stuff? Yeah, yeah. I think I have chocolate every day. Do you? A little bit. Which is your chocolate then? Chocolate orange. Not just for Christmas. Not just for Christmas. A plain, as in a dark chocolate chocolate orange. Do you like the dark chocolate one? The dark chocolate rather than the milk chocolate Terry's. But all the spin-offs, the chocolate bars, like Lint, do a nice...

45:58Do you think you could do more than that? Well, I'll start with that. I'll start with that. And then I've got creme fraiche. I can't see how thick it is. Perfect. Creme fraiche. To make it healthy. Yeah, to make it healthy. Exactly. Actually, it's so good for you, this whole thing. Yeah. So help yourself.

46:11Jessie Ware: No calories either. It's actually... No, calorie free. Mum, what do you want? Small bit. Okay. Small bit. So... Thanks, darling. Last supper. Yes. Start a main pud, drink of choice. I know the drink of choice, I think. Yeah, so drink of choice is going to be squash. Yeah. I think we should go Italian. Okay. And I think this is probably the thing that I would eat the most often, like in the week, like more of a sort of standard staple in the week thing. Rather than Chinese. Rather than Chinese, I think. Well, because Chinese is, I mean, it's great, but it's a treat. But it's a treat is a Chinese.

46:42But it is your last supper. Well, I know, but I wonder if I want something that's a little bit more kind of like, this is what normal life is. So it's just going to become something quite straightforward. You're methoding this, by the way. You're kind of, you are, but I'm kind of interested by your thought. Well, I'm thinking it's Italian, basically. So it's just a simple mozzarella, tomato and basil kind of salad sort of starter. Then it's a pesto. Are we going full Italian? Yeah. Spaghetti and pesto, specifically sacla pesto. Love it. My favourite, the green one. Absolutely adore it. And I probably have it, I probably have this meal probably twice a week.

47:19You're kidding. No, I love it. and then I well I add I sort of pimp it up a little bit okay go on bit of sweet corn don't apologise that's fine sweet corn I know I'm going to go off the rails bit of sweet corn some mushrooms done in the microwave with a little bit of garlic put the lid on and a bit of olive oil and it just cooks why in the microwave? it just again the reason why you did the rice in the microwave okay it just works it just works never done a mushroom in the microwave do the mushrooms in the microwave is it dry them out? it sort of makes them yeah but it kind of almost feels like it intensifies the flavour a little bit and they shrivel Umami.

47:51Exactly.

47:52Jessie Ware: Jesse, we were going to ask his weirdest combination. But I don't know this last supper. No, no, I mean, yeah. Chorito, chopped up chorito. Pop that in the oven, really thinly sliced. With pesto. Yeah. Spanjus in the chat. Yeah, yeah. Got all the Mediterranean covered. And then that obviously releases a little bit of oil as well. Yeah. Put that in. Because pesto doesn't have enough oil. And then I would then put, yeah, it's about to get oilier. Sun-dried tomatoes. Oh, my God. Chop those up really fine. You filthy bitch. You call me a filthy bitch. I'm feeling sick. No, have it. And you will honestly think this is the most delicious thing you have ever had in your life.

48:28Jessie Ware: I will think of you, but I won't think that. It'll be your dying, your last breath. Sounds quite like... It's so fatty. It's so unhealthy. And then cheese? Cheese all over it. Yeah. And then this is really bad. Hot sauce. Well, yeah, hot sauce. Or I possibly would chop up like bird's eye chilies into it. Which feel a bit fresher. because it doesn't feel fresh. And then I would maybe have like a garlic bread, like one of those like rustic Parmesan wheels that you can get, like a tear and share. That with a really, really healthy big glob of mayonnaise on the side. Oh my God. Black pepper on the mayonnaise and then on the rest of the dish.

49:06And then to round it off, tiramisu. You look like you're having a heart attack.

49:10Jessie Ware: Actually, I have no words. So there you go. Well, we were going to ask you. You don't make this for your kids, do you? No, God no. Has your wife ever had it? Yeah. And she enjoys it? We served it up for friends like last week. And how did they feel about it? They're real foodies. Shout out to Vix and Paul, if you're listening. They're real foodies, so we're always quite nervous about cooking for them. Oh no, you went big. Hence why we often just get to eat when they come around. But we did that for them last week. And they loved it? I think so. Did you do the mayo garlic? We're not going to say they don't.

49:45I did, but I just put it on the table and they sort of just, they didn't even comment. But they're so used to my eating habits. I love this. I love it. But I've known like Vic since school. So it's kind of like, it's just their friends who like, they're just like, oh, you just get on with whatever you want to do. I'm obsessed with this. And we've gone on holidays together and they'll just like be like, well, Nick, I'll just get pasta. Which pasta do you like? Pasta. You don't have a favourite of shapes. Well, I used to like the, what's the one which is like boccatini, which has got the whole like spaghetti with the hole in the middle.

50:13And that's fun. but now I've just gone back to just really basic spaghetti. I love it.

50:19Jessie Ware: I absolutely love it. Donnie, I'm not coming to your house for dinner. That's such a... I have to say. But I bet you like all those individual things. No, I don't. Oh, okay. It's a very male... I would not, would you put... Is it like a bachelor meal? Yeah, it feels quite bachelor. Would you say... No, no, no, it's fine. It's studenty, it's studenty. It's the mushrooms as well. What's wrong with that? And corn. But you would have mushrooms as well. I get corn, but like, but all it, it's just that often corn is to use up corn. Oh, okay. Because the kids have had corn. Like I wouldn't always, and I did say, in fact, I said last week to Becca, literally verbatim, I said, I'm not going to put corn in it.

50:55Oh, wow. Because I thought, because there's some corn coming around, I was like, I can't put corn in it because they'll think it's like a children's meal or something.

51:04Jessie Ware: So you made it more sophisticated. I mean, it wasn't really, it was just not corn. You've got, listen, you've got the fat, the salt, the heat, the acid. Yeah. And you could have had the sweet in there too. Oh, the sweetness of the sweet corn. I respect you. I swear to God, when I was at Durham, and you know, student catering, and when I lived in halls at Aidan's in first year and final year as well, actually, they used to serve in first year. If no vegetables were eaten, they would then become like a soup or something the next day. And that sort of makes sense with catering and stuff. But they genuinely legitimately once, there was sweet corn on the menu and it didn't get all eaten up.

51:40And then the next day, they served it in one of those little silver pots as a dessert with mandarins. Stop, please. And I'm not joking. They actually did. And so I think it might have come from that. I can't get over this. Did you try it? Yeah. But it's just food, isn't it? It's just, you eat it and it's absolute, like nothing happened. It's not like there's a chemical reaction. I mean, there probably is some kind of chemical reaction going on in your stomach, but there's not, like you're like... No, you're quite fine with all the different combos. I think particularly when, if you ignore the truth aside, but if it's grown from the ground, I'm like, we'll just mix.

52:18It doesn't matter. Just mix it into a paste and eat it. Caveman.

52:25Jessie Ware: Don't judge, Mum. You'll try not to laugh. You'll look at him as if he's... Caveman's quite fine. Has anyone asked you to write a cookbook? No. This is delicious, brother. Thank you. Everyone in the room, I feel like everyone would give that a go and it was all just delicious things. I can give you soy on a menu without the sweet corn. I'm granted that. I love a sweet corn. I think the sweet corn's at least to be well is, to be honest. I think the sweet corn's at least to be well is, to be honest. I think you saying chorizo just elevates it too. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that gives it a sweet corn.

53:05Jessie Ware: No egg and lemon sauce on that as well. No, no. You held back. Would you have salad with it? No, no point. All the stuff's in there, isn't it? All the veg, yeah. And we're finishing with a tiramisu. Great. So, Mum, you had a question that you wanted to ask about sandwiches. I love sandwiches. Do you like sandwiches? If you were a filling for a sandwich, who would you like on either side of you? What do you mean by that? People. Still, what do you mean by that? Just, well, who? Do you see You can see You're the best person What do you mean If you were a filling of Maybe this is not the best question You're the filling Who are you close to Why do I have to be a filling But I want to answer the question I want to answer it How do you think Have you interpreted that question It was about intimacy, darling Oh my God Well, it's not about sex, darling It was about If you were a filling Who would be on either side of you What are you having a threesome with?

54:16Is this the question?

54:17Jessie Ware: Oh my God, no No, I didn't mean it like that I'm not talking about thrapples, Jess I thought you meant the question was If I was a filling, what would I be? And I was going to say cheese savoury Okay, that's fine Let's stick to that But what do you mean by people either side you? I think it's a wrong question. Okay, fine, that's all right. I think it doesn't work. Not a great question. I think you should ask the question verbatim how you asked it then for every single guest and to see how they react. Okay. To see if that can work as well. I agree. See what... Sorry. No, I liked it. See what different answers you get.

54:55Jessie Ware: In a throuple. God. It's about intimacy. No, it was about intimacy. I'm going to see who's your friends, really. Who are your best mates that you have on either side? OK, we're not ever doing that again. I'm so sorry I tried it out, Henry. I love that. It's like a magic trick that has not worked. Definitely. I love that. Oh, my God, I'm dying. And you with your fucking sweet corn on your high horse. Yeah, following that. Touché, Lenny, touché. Oh, my God. Before we let you go, can you give us a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere? I honestly think it's Archer's Lemonade. Because it's such, because I never used to drink before I got to university.

55:43So, and because I hadn't drunk, I sort of had to start by trying, trying. Well, I sort of wanted to try something that was a little bit more. Is it peach? It's peach. It's very sweet. It sort of tastes of fizzy squash. It's probably what teenagers probably would have drunk. But there was never going to be a way where I'd start drinking beer or wine because they just feel too grown up or advanced if you've never had alcohol before. So I sort of thought. And so that takes me instantly back to that first week at university. Nick, thank you so much for being on the podcast. Thank you so much. What a treat.

56:20And good luck with you. Thank you very much. Looking forward to it coming out. And all the other projects. Thank you.

56:38Nick Muhammad on Table Manners. I love him.

56:41Jessie Ware: I did think that he definitely was pretending that he didn't know the card. It was stunning, actually. Yeah. You really knew that? Yeah, because I knew he wasn't going to mess it up. He's too proud of his magicianship. I was like, hang on, I thought it was a very good performance. A very good performance. Nick Muhammad is in War. It's such a good show. It's got everyone in it. And it's got season two already. He's such a lovely, fun man. I see now why people want him for nearly everything, really. I mean, I didn't even speak to him about Stafford's flats. The proms, everything. He's heaven and such a nice man.

57:23Yeah, really gorgeous. And funny and generous and all of it. I loved it. And the food I thought was delicious. Worked beautifully. That is a great recipe. Yeah, it is. Anyone could do it. Alexandra Dudley, you've done it again, girl.

57:36Jessie Ware: Was it easy? Really easy. So it's a good dinner party. Yeah, it is actually, because what she says in it is like, it's simple, but it actually feels like you've made an effort. And I think mint and tomato together is a heavenly combo. Yeah, that's great. Jessie, I still couldn't have what he was eating. I absolutely thought I was going to faint I really enjoyed it and actually I think I'd find that quite delicious do you? so oily with the pesto and the sun dried tomatoes and then the chorizo to add more oil chorizo mum chorizo I loved it I just I'm going to try I'm going to try the hack it's kind of like a it's like a global dish maybe we do go and try the mushrooms maybe we should try that oh yeah the mushrooms as one of our things the mushrooms in the microwave he might leave the sweet corn out I don't know I say keep it in thank you so much to Nick Muhammad for coming on the podcast thank you for your new entry for your question oh so sorry you know what mum we have to try these things I know it's okay I don't think I'm a podcast innovator I think I'll stick to what I know listen we tried it I know I am really thankful that that happened I've never seen producer Alice laugh so much she was dying the fact he didn't understand what I was talking about but then I kind of I didn't realise it had a double entendre you backpedalled but it was never meant to be like that, it was meant to be about friendship, the intimacy bit intimate trust of friends okay who would you like on your side you know Donald Trump would probably say Pete Hethges and Mark Rubio on each side Okay.

59:18Jessie Ware: I love that you've just gone from intimacy to Donald Trump. Donald Trump's throuple. Enough of this. It's done. It's going in the middle. Okay. We'll see you next week for more Table Manners. If you've enjoyed this episode, don't forget to like, subscribe, sign up to the mailing list and you can get all the recipes that we cook and plus more on tablemannerspodcast.com.

59:48Amen.