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1:36Lennie Ware: Hello and welcome to Table Manners Season 19, Mum. That doesn't mean we've been going for 19 years. No, but it does mean we've been going for 10 years, I think, really. I feel like we've been going for 119 years today. Okay, well, this leads us to Lenny is having her hip-hop. Hip-hop. Hip-hop. I'm not doing hip-hop dancing. I'm having a hip-hop. And they do serve wine in the rehabilitation centre. So you'll be okay. That was the only reason for choosing it. Your eyes are sparkly today, Lenny. I don't know. It was a mistake. I like it. It looks fab. It was a bit of a mistake, darling. Looks fab.

2:13Okay, fine.

2:14Lennie Ware: You may be watching us on the Apple video podcast section. so hi nice to meet you yeah welcome apple people nano nano you can click between the video and audio now so if you want to see the food you can come and have a little look or if you don't fancy seeing what we're eating you can just listen also because you know we're all visual now we now have to encourage you to subscribe and like our videos because it really helps we used to do this back in season one didn't we mum but now we've been told you put it at the beginning of the thing so if you are enjoying Table Manners, you can like and subscribe.

2:49Lennie Ware: Subscribe on both Apple and YouTube. And Spotify, I guess. And Spotify. We are so excited for our season opener. We have the phenomenal Kelly Rowland, who you will know from the most iconic girl group, Destiny's Child, or her illustrious solo career with bangers such as Dilemma, When Love Takes Over, Motivation, as my husband when I put it on this morning, knew all the words, forgot that he was an R &B boy. Oh, and no matter what you do. That's Dilemma. Oh, is that Dilemma? Also, she's just been announced as the Voice UK's new judge. And? And? The new face of Olay. She is gorgeous. Your grandma would have been so thrilled to meet any ambassador of Olay.

3:38Oh my God, she used to lather it on, didn't she? Oily Olay.

3:42Lennie Ware: Oily Olay. um kelly roland is coming on and she's coming on at kind of an odd time for food so you've done something quite light haven't you yeah i've just made a salad a peach and chicken salad which i think i did for rob delaney it's an idol slater guardian recipe yeah really good yeah and the peaches are still good or nectarines are great they were just right great today and then you've done some oh I've done a raspberry poke cake what's that mean I poked holes in the cake that I made oh to get like to get the raspberry in yeah yeah let's hope it works well it looks beautiful I hope so um how was your summer mum well it was fab really I was away for nearly seven weeks yeah in Greece yeah and I loved it it was beautiful all our favorite people there and a lovely the man who worked in platanos square asked you out on a date he no he asked me to sit and have a drink of either coffee wine or water yeah and i said oh i'm a bit busy i couldn't imagine what i was going to do by sitting talking to me and he thought that he just wanted you to buy giros yeah right and he suddenly said i just love your podcast which was so strange great he's like you know he's not the youngest man in the world i've been seeing him in platyno square for about 30 years he loves the podcast yeah soon yeah soon we are so thrilled to be back we are excited about the year ahead wherever it takes us we are potentially planning something exciting next year and we are thrilled to have kelly roland as an opener i mean she's a huge star international Is she very tall?

5:31Lennie Ware: She looks tall. I think she looks tall. Yeah. And she's got, like, never-ending legs. Yeah, that's what I think. But maybe Beyonce's just a little short one. I don't know. I'm not sure. What do we think? She's 5 '8". Oh, she's not that tall, then. That's tall. That isn't that tall, darling. Cindy Crawford's 5 '9". Yeah, that's tall. I think 5 '8 is a glorious height. Kelly Rowland coming up on Table Manners.

6:07Lennie Ware: Kelly Rowland, as I live and breathe. You are radiant. Thank you very much. It must be that Oile serum. It must be. I'm wondering. Why do I call it Oile? Because it was Oile of Oile. It used to be Oile of Oile. It did. Yeah. That's what my grandma used to slather on. Yes, yes. And the smell I can remember. And the smell was heavenly. I do too. Is it the same smell? It's changed a bit. It's definitely evolved since me looking at it on my great aunt's counter. You know what I mean? That's where I first got my first, I say, taste of oil of Olay. So you're right. It used to be oil of Yule. Yes. It was with a U.

6:47Was it? So in the States, it was oil of Olay. And here it was oil of Yule. And then they changed it. My mom never got to grips with the O instead of the U. Wow. So she always used to say, oily, oily. Yeah. And that's why you just said it. That's so interesting. Very, very cool. How are you?

7:04Lennie Ware: I'm wonderful. You flew in this morning. I did. You poor thing. I'm fine, y 'all. Because there were all these flight counts. It was mad. Oh, no, that's exactly what happened. And it was like last minute, but it did give me some time, some extra time with my babies. So that was cool. Oh, that's good. Where did you fly from? Where do you live? Los Angeles. Okay. Yeah. How old are the babies now? 11 and 5. I can't even believe I have an 11-year-old child. It's so wild because he's like almost to my height and his voice is starting to drop. And I'm looking at his little face mature and change right before my eyes.

7:42And it just lets me know how precious time is. I hear. Oh, my heart is beating a little bit harder just thinking about time because I don't take it for granted, especially being a mother and watching or being able to have the opportunity to watch them grow

7:59Lennie Ware: is a blessing but at least you want the five-year-old you've still got like you know in the way of like you can still baby i baby my five-year-old i do too i'm like the 10-year-old i'm like get out of my bed the five-year-old i'm like you can stay you can stay he's a big boy toddler i mean he thinks he's a big guy but like yeah so does mine yeah he thinks he's a big boy And you know what? I'll give him that. But I want him to be my babe. And he just started kindergarten. And when he started, he was like, bye, mom, and left and went into the rest of the. Well, that's good. Yeah. Oh, no, it was great.

8:32It was great. But I was like, literally cried on the campus. As soon as the teacher closed the door, I was like, I had these big glasses on. Thank God I had these glasses on. But I cried like a baby, like a baby.

8:45Lennie Ware: How long are you away from them this trip? Seven days. Okay. It's not bad. It's not bad, but yeah, I hear you. So who's looking after them? Your husband? My nanny and my husband. God bless a great nanny. Man, I'm so blessed. Yes, absolutely. So the podcast, we ask you lots of things about food and food memories. I mean, there's so much. I'm so excited to have you. Okay, I'm excited to be here. Well, honestly, when I've told my friends that we've got you on, they're like, no, this is huge. Destiny's Child was such a huge part of my education in R &B and just like vocals. And then you're incredible.

9:31Lennie Ware: You're incredible. But let's talk about you. You were born in Atlanta. Born in Atlanta, raised in Texas. Okay. And is that where in Houston? so where do you have a kind of a tie to both of them and it's like culinary what's the like food tie to both i mean the food tie to both is um you know of course very southern southern roots i'd say comfort comfort foods from the uh mac and cheeses to the fried chickens to the rice and peas to the mashed potatoes all those things yeah so who was around the dinner table what was a memorable dish from your childhood that maybe your parents were cooking a memorable dish oh my mom could really just make the most beautiful fried chicken with mashed potatoes and um english peas actually oh a little petit pois yes okay it was my favorite she'd probably drenched them in butter and a bit of salt.

10:36And it was so good. But every time I saw it on the table, I was excited. So when you do your fried chicken, do you dip it in something first? No. So it's just fried without flour or breadcrumbs? No, it's with flour. Okay, you put flour, egg and flour? Yeah, egg and flour. And she seasoned it to perfection. She let it like, you know, sit in all its greatness and then she would drench it in the egg and flour and fry it yeah and it was ready when it rolls to the top are you good at it no i'm not good at fried chicken at all i'm good i'm good at uh fish okay i will bake a chicken yeah um and steak i do a steak pretty good okay tell me how you do your steak so my steak i will um salt it and let it sit overnight overnight um overnight what cut are you having we like a filet in our house like a nice little filet mignon and because we get it from the butcher and what else like a little strip as well what like a sirloin strip yeah okay yeah yeah and um so we take that and then i will butter the pan a bit put it in there on a like highish heat um let it do a nice little sear and I sear and cook it and flip it over but I like mine pink me too I like it so how many minutes are you doing on either side Kelly Rowland um it depends like I think it's like three to five three okay yeah and

12:14Lennie Ware: how long do you let it rest for oh five okay yeah for sure it's all about the rest it's all about the rest. Do you cover it when you're resting it? No, should I cover it? I don't know. No, I don't cover it when it rests. I just like watch it, but I do love to baste it. Like when you put the garlic and all the yumminess in there. And what do you have it with fries or mashed potato? Salad or spinach. Oh God. For my boys, I do mashed potatoes for sure. My kids did, we had mashed potato last night. Only one of my children ate it. My children are so weird about mashed potato. Really? Drives me mad.

12:55Lennie Ware: I'm there having it out of this. They're just fuss pots. I've never heard of a fuss pot, but I liked it. Like, absolutely. I'm like, I've got gravy. I've got a sausage there. You did gravy? Yeah, delicious. Yeah. Thanks. Oh, I think different gravy to you, though. No, but still it's gravy. That's time. That's a midweek meal. You are. Do you know what I mean? gangsta no I love you but anyway didn't bloody eat it anyways so okay steak so if we were coming around to yours would it be steak that you would be cooking us it'd probably be salmon okay how do you do your salmon um I just learned salmon so I'm still actually actually no I wouldn't do it because I'm still learning no I'm trying to impress you um so I yeah I'd probably do salmon I do mashed potatoes but I'd probably do a whipped sweet potato too oh yeah I like whipped sweet Yeah, I just whip sweet potato.

13:45Do you put marshmallows on? Only at Thanksgiving? Only at Thanksgiving. That is correct. Yeah. Do you think people still do dinner parties anymore? Yes, I do. We do dinner parties all the time. You do? I go to dinner parties all the time. Yeah. And I love a good playlist. Oh, wow.

14:04Lennie Ware: Okay, hit us because that's one of our questions. What's playing in the background? I mean, what's playing? There's Marvin Gaye playing. There's Donny Hathaway. There's Stephen Wonder. Old school. there's yes there's earth wind and fire there's jazz there's miles davis there's hip-hop there's there's everything like we have a playlist called where the blessed rest and it's like one that i just made for our house like whenever we're just chilling on a nice day it's quiet but we got music playing i want to swap you if you want to give me your playlist i've got a family kitchen playlist yes but it's like i like cooking on a sunday and it's like gentle beautiful smoky robinson's on there like so if you fancy doing a playlist swap yes i'd be really happy definitely know stevie wonder's coming to london yes he is songs in the key of life the whole 50th anniversary oh my god yeah the 50th anniversary of songs in the key of life no i think it's rule fest it might be well it's gonna be the most impossible to get then no we're gonna try okay that's yeah we should get him on the pod oh i'd love it right oh my god okay he he still sings the same as he sang when he was young.

15:13It's one of the few performers that have got older and their voice has not changed. I think he's fab. Do you know him?

15:21Lennie Ware: Yes. Have you ever been to a dinner party with Stevie Wonder? Yes. Is he good fun? Because he's a great mimic, isn't he? He has one of the most amazing sense of humour I've ever experienced in my life. Ever, ever. So what is he? just like busting jokes all the time and just making everyone laugh he's it's just kind of it flows like literally i'm speechless anytime i'm around stevie wonder is he one of your ultimates yes he's literally on my mount rushmore so who were you when you were young before girls time like like who were you listening to was stevie one of the voices that you be whitney houston funny enough the Bee Gees uh Clark Sisters um uh who else that's good yes yes yes yes baby face I mean yeah yeah I need to know because I'm going on tour in a few weeks yes and I um um I just got my knee checked because I was worried that like I it was even meniscus or ITB like you know when you're like i'm about to do some choreo you know about choreo yes do you still run and sing the whole set i have to on a treadmill yes you're still doing the matthew noel's approach yes because here's the thing yeah you know what the scariest thing is to me to be on stage and i'm out of breath and other people can hear i know i hear you sound like a wheezing pug i'm petrified no like petrified just get in my heart rate okay yes like my my vocal coach puts me on the treadmill speeds it up and then she slows it down and then i have to sing i love that she does that then but i'm still walking a brisk pace she's really hardcore well how much do you think i can achieve in four weeks oh a lot yeah yes okay fine you've been you shock yourself i'm bad at running i ain't harry styles do you see how he's doing like mini marathon every night is he oh have you not seen this it's like he's got a running track on his stage oh no and he just runs and i swear it's So he can just get his 5K in.

17:32Lennie Ware: But he's arsehole toil. So it's fine. He can. It does. Do you feel like, and this is not because as a woman who is 41, nearly 42, and we're talking about Stevie's voice and how it still sounds amazing. Yes. And I do feel like, and I don't know if you agree. I think your voice is amazing. But I have to work harder at it. You do. I have to work harder at it. I agree with that. I'm doing more vocal training than I've ever done. I agree with that. Yes. And I don't know whether it's just another thing that women are blessed with. We get the bloody, we get periods. We get the bloody, we get - Hormonal changes.

18:02Lennie Ware: All of it. Yes, especially after children. My high end left a bit. Oh, really? Yes. Well, did you get deeper, richer voice? Yes. Yes. Yes. Have you ever changed a key? Absolutely. And so sue me. Yes. And I don't care. I still want to, I want it to be great. And I want to like really feel like I'm in, I'm owning the moment. instead of being anxious for the note that I'd be anxious for. I hear you. You know what I mean? Yeah, because the worst bit is anticipating it and then you tense up. Yes. So if you have the freedom and you've been working on it all this time, then yeah, I don't, yeah. I mean, you know, you're now the voice UK, one of the coaches.

18:49Lennie Ware: And so I guess you're perfect for this because you've been doing it since you were about five years old. Yeah, I still love it. Are you moving to London there? No, I'm here like part time though. Okay. I love it here. Do you? I do. What do you love about London? It's very nostalgic for me. It just reminds me of like my first time over here. And that was, how old was I? 15, 16 years old. What were you doing? Top of the pops and stuff like that. It was so great. Sorry. Sorry about that here. But it was so much fun. And I just remember coming into a whole new world and what that was like for a Southern girl like me, whose family has never stepped foot outside of the United States of America.

19:30So I just thought that that was just the coolest thing ever. And it is, you know? Wait, I have another question for tour. So what else do you do to prepare for tour?

19:40Lennie Ware: I cut down on the drinking. But I do think moderation. So if I'm going to maybe have like a glass of red wine at the weekend, and that's okay. But I mean, I've just come off like summer holidays where it's been like, cheers, you know. Yes, yes, yes. And I do so much tube work with my... Straws? Yes. Yes. Because it's a much more gentle... It feels amazing, doesn't it? It's like a massage. Yeah, yeah. Was I about to finish your sentence? This is awesome. Okay, sorry. So, and then I also... What's my bond thing? Your bong thing. My bong over Dr. Nelson's inhaler for the steaming. Do you have one of those?

20:17Yes, I do.

20:18Lennie Ware: It looks like you're getting high. it's just the steam and then also i've got a really good if you need one when you're here but i don't know how much singing you're going to be like a laryngeal massage yeah the most amazing it's great isn't it babe i i will throw money at the problem i agree so i do that i'm like really like obsessed with it because like so much clarity comes does it make you feel like you can dig gag no no it's really painful though and like the buckles it's like they go in there you don't like that part no i don't like am i a weirdo i love it i'm like okay 50 shades i'm sorry i'm also obsessed with following broadway singers are you what they pack uh-huh so loads of hydration sachets i'm obsessed with the hydration sachet yes um what else am i doing Yeah, like honey and ginger.

21:10The little steam pods for the shower.

21:12Lennie Ware: What? Yes, they're these like eucalyptus pods that you put in the shower. And then like you inhale those. That's amazing. Really? Would you do that post a show? I do it before and after a show. And I also do like a cool down, a vocal cool down. Agreed. Because the larynx is like just dancing so high up. And then I just like to do.

21:36Like just to bring it back down.

21:38Lennie Ware: Yeah, it's all kind of like. This is like vocal olympics. Yes. Mmm. Mmm. Yeah. Yeah. I know. But it's like. It's really fun going backstage. It's really fun. I know. By the way, my friends will come with me after I'm done with this show. They're like, you want to take some? Mmm. It's like so strange. But it is. It's great. And it's worth it. And it shows that like we still have a respect for it. Oh, my God. Totally. So even though like I love these other artists that you're talking about, but like we wanted to preserve our voice. Like it really is a priority. Absolutely. And then I meet Shaka Khan, who came on this.

22:20Lennie Ware: Oh, my gosh. She makes it look so easy. But also, first time I met her, she had a fag in her mouth like that. And she's going like that. And I'm like there with my vocal coach looking really uncool. Like, hi, you're a really big inspiration for me. Hi. And she's literally like that. For the why. Yes. She's like, literally, you've got to go. So I'm like, you know, she can do it like that. It's just nothing. She also uses baby oil on her face. Does she? She won't be the Olay ambassador. Man, I could imagine. Her skin is great. Her skin is amazing. Her skin is great. But that shocked me, too, the first time I saw her do that.

22:55She's like, hi, baby. Yes, come into the show. Yes, that's great. That's great. Here we go. And then she gets to the stage. To the limit, come on. And she hits it and it's so easy. I go. And the clarity. I know. Like, how did you just do that? Jessie, Cesaria Evora smoked on stage. I mean, I'm sure Billie Holiday did too. But it must be like a muscle memory. Right?

23:22Lennie Ware: It's a muscle memory. Should I get some food going? Whilst mum makes some of the food, we're having something very healthy, light. Yes. It's a chicken salad. Love. With peach. Yes. And kind of mint. Oh, and peaches. Yeah, so it's light, juicy, delicious. Okay. Because, you know, it's a weird time of the day, and I'm sure you've probably got plans later, and you don't know what time. I mean, what time is it for you now? I don't even know. It doesn't even matter. You're so professional. It doesn't even matter. You're such a pro. Thank you. I'm excited. Chicken and peaches? It will be delicious. Okay, I believe you.

23:55Lennie Ware: Because it's this brilliant chef called Nigel Slater, who is one of our gods here. Okay. So, yeah. in london doing the voice being an ole ambassador um congratulations on that thank you that's like a new big thing it's very cool yes it's gorgeous yeah um can you tell me about your skin regime actually like what do we because like what's your um morning and evening routine morning and evening routine is definitely like my only super of course uh or super wash so you start with the wash oh I definitely start with a wash in the morning. So I start with a wash in the morning. I do my serum, my super serum.

24:35Yeah. I do my cream. And what else do I do? I like a nice little like rose water spray. Oh, me too. As well. Gorgeous. Yeah. It's very similar to the evening. Okay. Yeah. Wow, this is beautiful.

24:49Lennie Ware: Mom, this looks delicious. It smells amazing. What is it? It's chicken with peaches And mint and basil And a kind of chilli Spring oniony sauce Just help yourself Would you like to help yourself Or shall I Either or You help yourself And do you And start thinking about Your last supper You're going to a desert island For a very long time And you get any chicken there. No, I'm about to get me some chicken right there. And you have a starter, a main, a dessert, and a drink of choice. So have a think. Okay. A drink of choice? Yeah. Or drinks. You can do drinks if you want. Some people have done full days of food.

25:40Lennie Ware: So, you know. Days? You've got artistic license. Do whatever you like. Just do whatever you want. Don't call me a piglet, okay? No. What are you talking about? I don't know what I'm going to actually eat. It's good. Okay. Good. That's delicious. It's a good salad. It's so great when the salad is so good. I'm slightly dancing now. That's so good. You're so sweet. I am going to need that last supper off you, babe. Okay, last supper. Okay, last supper. Starter, main, hood, drink of choice. Last supper. We'll start with, I do love a great salad. Okay. What's in the salad? I'm going to say a Greek salad.

26:26Lennie Ware: Okay. Delicious. I love a Greek salad. Like I can eat it all day, every day. Have you holidayed in Greece? I need to. You do? I've only done it maybe once or twice, but I need to. By the last, by the two weeks in, you're like, I think I don't need the Greek salad today. I don't know. I've literally eaten Greek salad for like days at a time. Let's see. What else? For my main, here's the truth. I really love a good burger. Yeah. Great. Like a cheeseburger. But where are you getting your burger from? Not In-N-Out. No. No, I didn't know, ma 'am. I do have some In-N-Out. Not In-N-Out. But it would be.

27:11Can I get you some water? No, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. I've drank so much water. Okay, fine. Okay, you're like, okay, fine. I'm going to say I went to a friend of mine's house, and their chef made the most exquisite burger I've ever had in my life. You were so good about it. It was juicy. It was like cooked to perfection. Like the middle was like not raw, but pink. Yes, ma 'am. And it was the most beautiful piece of lettuce on there, the most beautiful tomato. The onions were caramelized. The bread, the bun was buttered. It was like a fresh brioche loaf that they made. It was crazy.

27:53And the cheese was gouda. Oh, I love gouda. Oh, and it was like a spicy something at the bottom. I had just the right amount of ketchup and the most perfect amount of mustard. And I took one bite and just salivated. I was like, oh, my gosh. It was so loud. I was like, did you taste this? Talking to my husband. And it was so good. And it was like the most amazing french fries to match. Who's the chef?

28:25Lennie Ware: I don't know. Oh my God. Can you go back to this friend's house? Yes. And ask for the chef to make this? I will ask if they still have the same chef for sure. Because that was like... They've made it. I've had it twice. What did you say? Listen, I'm coming over and I want that burger. It's the second time. Is it Beyonce's chef? No. Okay, fine. And this sounds great that you can go and require. That's probably quite a good thing. If your friend has a chef, then you can say, listen, I loved what he made the other day. Yes. Can I come back over? Exactly. Yeah. Okay. So you're going for that burger.

29:01Lennie Ware: Yes, I'm going for that burger. What are you drinking? What are you drinking? So I'm a very simple girl and I recently stopped drinking. I'm going to say, but in my heyday, I want to wine. grill like a white wine okay pardon me a french montrachet uh wine it was a french it was delicious yes it was delicious like you stopped drinking do you feel good for no drink i do i really do somebody like was just breaking it down to me and i was i just tried to see what a week was like and then was like oh I'll go with two weeks next time I knew it was like six months and I hadn't had a drink and I was like oh I like this feeling it works have you found kind of a good substitute what what do you drink now like it when you're out are you kind of having a tonic water are you having you just doing a water have you found a mocktail yeah do you are you a mocktail girl I'm definitely a mocktail girl only thing is that has so much sugar but I'm like yeah you know Mm-hmm.

30:09Lennie Ware: Okay, so... Mm-hmm. Have you got a sweet... Oh, you've got a sweet tooth. Really? I've heard about this peach cobbler. Peach cobbler is great. Okay. But when you find the right chocolate cake... Okay. And it's the perfect amount of sweetness, the perfect amount of saltiness, it's not too sugary. I'll have chocolate cake every day if I could. Really? Oh, I don't know. That just wouldn't be me. I love chocolate cake. I love chocolate, period. Is it on... Is it like... So if you see it on the menu, you're getting it. Anything with chocolate and the desserts, you're getting it. Yes. I actually get a couple of desserts.

30:51I love that. I get a couple. You've got to have an opinion. I want to taste them. Yeah, I agree. I used to like it when there was a trolley and you could choose. You don't get that anymore. You don't?

31:03Lennie Ware: No. Sometimes you do. Where? Not old-fashioned places. Bring back the trolley. I know. Bring back the trolley. Bring back the trolley. So have you ever made a good chocolate cake? No. You should find a good recipe and then you can do it for birthday cakes. I should. I mean, if you can be asked. I told my husband, it was a while back, this woman used to make chocolate cake. And she used to charge an obscene amount for chocolate cake. and it was the most I've ever paid for a cake. And it was just a simple cake. Was it worth it? Yes. How did you find out about this chocolate cake? She just made it at a party or something and I'll never forget, I just wanted another one and I had my assistant at the time call her and ask her to make the cake and when she told her how much it was, I was like, you have got to be kidding me.

31:58I'm not doing that. Ten minutes later, I said, call her. I'm just going to get the cake. It was ridiculous.

32:05Lennie Ware: Do you think she raised the prices because she knew how much you wanted that cake? Maybe. What do you, as a family, do for celebrations like birthdays? Do you go out for dinner? Do you have dinner at home? Do you have a party? We do both. Right. We go out to dinner. And what's the kid's favorite? Chinese? The Titan loves sushi. Sushi. Everyone likes sushi children now. Love sushi. So he loves sushi. And Noah loves pasta. And he said What did he recently say He said I love pasta And he loves Steak Is this the five year old Yes The five year old loves steak For the mature palate I know And Yeah Titan loves sushi But he loves to go to Omokase And just let Like they just bring him What's Omokase Where you basically don't know What you're getting next Not your sushi Not like where it goes round Do they have that in the States, Yosushi?

33:06I don't think we do. So we have it here and it's on a big kind of turntable and it just keeps going round and you pull a dish off. Didn't it used to be at like Harrods or something? Yeah. Is it still there?

33:19Lennie Ware: I don't know. No, I don't think so. Sorry. I want to know about, you say you've got this fond memories of being in London. Mm-hmm. You were here as a teenager. Mm-hmm. Are there any memorable meals from those early times in London? Yes, it was the first time I tried sushi. Oh, really? We went to Nobu. What's the one? Park Lane. We went to Nobu Park Lane. Oh, I love that one, yeah. It was the very first time we tried sushi. And I remember I was kind of like the one who would try everything in the group. And so we were so nervous. You know, we'd like some country girls. We'd like, we know we'd like our food cooked.

34:00so we get in there and so we're sitting down and the label is ordering all this food in and so next thing we knew like the yellowtail comes to the table and the girls look at me and they're waiting for me to give them the nod to try it and sure enough like i tasted it it was delicious i was like it's like everybody tries it so if we we did it like that that's that was my first experience with sushi but it was so great so you start here with sushi so everything else is gonna have a really tough time that was delicious oh good do you want to mop up a bit you okay that was so good

34:37Lennie Ware: well we have some cake for you as well so in case you need it it's not chocolate but it looks delicious she's told me i'd have made you want a cup of tea a cup of tea sounds delightful yeah yeah how do you take your cup of tea just black honey oh okay black what kind of tea do you have just English breakfast oh no worries you don't like it what tea do you like what do you like then just mint we could do a little fresh mint I've got fresh mint there so you can have fresh mint with water I could either

35:12I have tried English breakfast tea so many times I have really tried listen well done for trying

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37:09Lennie Ware: Mom, that looks amazing. It looks so great. It's called a raspberry poke cake, which is popular in America, apparently. Okay. Do you know about poke cake? No. But you poke it in and you put the raspberries back there. You knew. Well, I'm like, I'm trying to be smart. So you kind of. I didn't know. I thought she was saying pokey and I was like. So I'll cut the fresh mint in there. So let's hope it works. Thank you. It looks great, mum. It does. Let's hope. So tell me about this fried peach cobbler that I've heard you love. Is it a fried peach cobbler? So my mom used to make these little fried peach cobblers.

37:52And I don't know how she made them. I actually have a recipe book that she left me. And it's got all of that in there, but I've yet to make it. I don't know why. I should.

38:02Lennie Ware: Now, I follow Tina on Instagram. And you're like... It's Tina. Beyonce's mom. Tina Knowles. But she talks, you are like her honorary daughter. She is always so proud of you. Is Tina a good cook? Is she a good cook? I can imagine. I can't even begin to tell you. The dishes that she makes are just mouth-watering. So not only is she the most glamorous woman. I know. But she can make. She can cook. Bomb. Bomb. Okay. Greens. Thank you. Bomb. Macaron. She actually makes truffle mac and cheese. it's delicious um her anytime she could thank you so much any meat it's falling off the bone like she used to make turkey and the turkey would be so flavorful whatever she would poke inside of the turkey was it was just so juicy her gumbo is delicious she can cook okay i presume that but i just needed to know yeah she can cook so sure so we know your playlist we know what you're gonna play we know what you're gonna cook for us we know actually you didn't get back to the baked salmon what is the baked salmon that you're going to finesse what are you eating how are you doing the baked salmon at the moment the baked salmon is so there's this seasoning i go to the farmer's market religious okay and there's this couple there and they sell this particular seasoning is called cappies and it's delicious what does that it's some some seasoning that they have made and i love it so much and that's all i need on my salmon and then i put a little bit of butter on there put a little bit of lemon on there cover it and cook it for a bit and then take it out take off the foil and then let it like broil just a little bit at the top okay and it's so good It sounds great.

39:59Lennie Ware: I think you sound like you know what you're doing. I'm trying. And what are you going to serve it with? Probably spinach, mashed potatoes. Okay. But for me, whipped sweet potatoes. Okay. Yeah. I can't do potatoes unless like I'm staying inside. Or what? Because? My tummy doesn't like it. Okay. Yeah. Now, whilst you're in London, is there anywhere you want to eat? Are you going back to Nobu? Is there anywhere else you want to try? Caribbean spots oh okay do you know any Caribbean spots my team my team does okay great and what's your order there it's either oxtail curry chicken yeah or jerk chicken okay and rice and peas thank you I'm just going to come to Brixton Brixton's pretty good we're really near Brixton are we you could just get a little Caribbean yeah you could get a little on the way home if you can we drive to Manchester tonight Shut up What?

40:59Yes No babe Yeah no it's alright So you go to Manchester

41:04Lennie Ware: What and film The voice? Yes Manchester's great Is that where they're filming it? Yes So are these the beginning ones? Yes ma 'am Oh so this is where you don't see them? Yeah Yeah The blinds The blinds The blinds Now forgive us Because we did just want to ask you And actually This is the season opener For season 19 of Table Manners Wow! I know. So because we're trying out new things, it's a fresh season. And your song, Dilemma, we're like, okay, what would be your greatest food dilemma? Okay. Oh, if I had to choose. She's got it straight away. Yes, I know for sure. If I had to choose between a hot dog and a hamburger.

41:46Oh my goodness. I know that sounds crazy. Why do you have both? Because, so my mama T definitely is like, you know, you can't eat hot dogs. It's a carcinogen. Oh, okay. And I'm like, so? Delicious. But I only have it like for the 4th of July every year, right? It's the one time I have it. And sometimes I might sneak one in at the end of the year, right? So that's just twice. Mama T, I love it. But it's so good. I love a good chili cheese hot dog with onions, a little bit of sauerkraut, some ketchup, some mustard, and maybe some jala pickled jalapenos on the top. You need to go and live in Austria.

42:31You'll be away there. Sauerkraut and hot dogs. Yeah. It's so good. So making me choose between that and a cheeseburger? I understand. That's very hard.

42:42Lennie Ware: Thank you so much for starting this off with such enthusiasm. Enthusiasm. I think that will stick. Do you know what? I'd never had a corn dog till... What is it? Well, exactly. It's basically a hot dog. Has it got any meat in it? And it's got a corn kind of crispy, crunchy bit on the outside. It's delicious. Yeah, but you really don't know what's inside or what's going on, do you? The one where I ate at some bar on Hillhurst when I went to watch the football. It was like a real dive. I love Lenny's in a dive bar having a corn dog eating. watching the premier league eating um no it was the world cup so i went to watch england and the corn dog i'm really wasn't confident what i was eating was it delicious no oh it was quite hard on the outside so do you want crispy onions or do you want caramelized onions both oh you're my kind of gal and i'd probably throw some raw ones on there too okay yes so you're like an everything gal yes like is that does that go to like when you're having an ice cream do you want all the different like sundae sprinkles yes no no no no i like to keep ice cream clean oh okay what's your ice cream flavor chocolate chocolate but you know what i really love right now there's um a place in la called mcconnell's and their ice cream i've had mcconnell's is it not so good but they have a sea salt cookies and cream it's so good where where whereabouts is it in the valley okay in the valley lake right there off of like laurel canyon okay gorgeous i'll try it delicious okay fab cone or cup both yes yes but i but what i can't get over about la is how people queue up outside oh mate lines oh for coffee for ice cream for anything those are the like popular spots but now it's tricky because you don't know like what is what because sometimes these places like hire other people to come in i know make it the tiktok ones is i know yeah because where were we when we were in new york and everyone was queuing outside for kim kardashian's cupcakes well what was it crumble crumble it was a kim kardashian crumble collaboration oh okay fine i mean could have been a delicious yeah absolutely do you think you'll ever perform again as destiny's child no as destiny's child do you think you'll get together like a spice girls reunion that isn't happening they just dropped a box set instead and everyone thought they were doing a reunion okay oh it hasn't been anything we talked about okay and i was just with the girls and we have a great time talking and our children are all together and are you all best friends still yeah absolutely but you were best friends before you were in the group weren't you virtually yeah i really am annoyed that i didn't see michelle in death becomes her oh she was amazing i heard she was uh who's this michelle she did death becomes her on broadway and i mean these two went to see it and adored it incredible like she opens the show would you do theater have you i always tell michelle michelle is she keeps trying to push me in the theater and it depends on the role okay what role would you i don't know do you think you can act I do love acting I do love acting Well then you should do it right I did a film last year Okay It came out this year on Amazon Prime It was myself and Method Man Okay no big deal It was a rom-com It was really cute Was he good as a rom-com leading man He's fantastic as an actor He's loved Method Man darling And a very famous rapper Okay I know nothing about that Y 'all New York in the house well glenn yeah she is correct um i also need to know about david getter that when love takes over is a oh it's a phenomenal song thank you how was the experience work did you get to work with it or did you do it remotely so i met david before i went to um ibiza was it before i went to i can't gosh where were we in the south of france in the south of france and um he played this track for me and it was absolutely incredible and so was it undeniable undeniable who wrote it myself and mem and live okay yeah and so we um uh i just talked to them about how my summer went like how I would go and spend the most amazing time out dancing and wouldn't come home till the sun was coming up.

47:39And it was just some of the most beautiful memories of my life. And we wrote about it. And they are like the easiest to write with. Like, I love that writing experience with them. I still smell the space in which we were writing. I remember us bouncing off of each other like we were playing tennis with words. It was so fun. They're awesome.

47:57Lennie Ware: Sometimes it's the easiest thing in the world and sometimes it's hard yes and you like pulling words out of your teeth like it's really tricky but i once met i once met david getter i was doing caccia it was like my first album and they said david wants to meet you and i so i went over to um i think it was maybe he went to his house and met him and his beautiful children who were like young children at that time and they made scrambled eggs for me and he wanted to like he was talking to me and he was like so and I think if I'm being honest I thought that I was like you know more like alternative so more for me um but anyway we were chatting and I was kind of there and and he's playing me some songs and I'm like it's like my first taste of like being in these big mansions and like it was so lovely and somebody rung him and went hey one minute i'm just uh with jesse jay and i was like oh god does he think he's in the fucking wrong room i'm not jesse jay fuck i think it rolls off the tongue in a french kind of it does roll off the tongue jesse jay rolls off the tongue more than jesse ware bless him but i was like i'm not sure whether i'm supposed to be here or not and then we never wrote together but no no but i don't think i think it was an accident i think because like but it was quite funny but have you spoke to him since?

49:18no you should no maybe yes you should he seems like a nice guy

49:22Lennie Ware: no he's wonderful but it did make me laugh you know me you're like fuck got the wrong Jessie no no you're supposed to let him know before we let you go and you travel to Manchester which we love Manchester has a heart mum's from Manchester it's probably going to rain up there so you need to get your coat ready fine she'll be okay you'll be okay okay probably stay in the lower end but the day was so pretty today it was beautiful today i was like is this what are you staying somewhere are you staying in an apartment or a hotel yeah the hotels are really lovely up there now everyone's lovely and everyone's warm um just a few more questions yeah i wanted to know what's your worst table manner in somebody else what thing worst table man yeah if you see someone doing it you think gosh that's stuffing their mouth okay god i think we all did that today i did that i did that me too i'm so sorry and i did the like the moment you get the last bit of food in your mouth but the one that really bothers me yeah is probably a burp my son does that it's fine at the table yes but is he proud of his burps and he only does it at home okay so you okay i have no doubt that your kids have got very good table manners i mean we're working on it they're just 11 and 5 but titan thinks it's really funny when he burps but he also found a video of me burping at um an mtv something back in the day and he was like mom you didn't tell me you had this and then he pulls it up and i'm just letting her rip like i was like what was wrong with me why was i doing why was your mother yeah right so yeah so now he thinks it's funny but we're working on how is that for you know he's 11 and he's finding clips of you from like the early noughties right yes like there's so much footage of destiny's child and kelly roland's solo career like how does he react to it is he enjoying it or is he like mum why were you wearing that like or like is he quite celebratory of it my kids are the least impressed you know we were in the waterfall in jamaica and you did the oh i did survivor and duns river yeah i was like we're in duns river and jesse's my brother yeah it was great it was a great moment for me and oh you're so sweet um but yeah how's your how is your 11 year old kind of he doesn't really trip off of it to be honest that one video with me burping that's the one he was so proud he was proud he was so proud and um i think when when noah comes across something he just kind of says it's you look it's you but that's about it what kind of weird combination do you put together that's so weird but it works somehow Ice cream and french fries.

52:32Oh, my God. Delicious. Did you dip them in, then? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Especially waffle fries. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So good. Waffle fries dipped in vanilla ice cream.

52:46Lennie Ware: Are you making, are they leftover waffle fries from the burger and chips that you're having? Or are you putting them on for your ice cream? Putting them on for my ice cream. oh was this like a pregnancy craving that you had and then it stuck no my mom who introduced me onto it when I was a kid and we would go to uh this restaurant uh with that had chicken sandwiches and they made really good waffle fries yeah and so we got the waffle fries and she would just dip it in the um ice cream and I was like what are you doing she said taste it and the salty with the sweet oh my goodness we've got a good one to try we're gonna try a little things we definitely we went to a restaurant and we had caviar on ice cream is that not so good that how you had it before yes you know what else is good olive oil yes yeah delicious definitely so absolutely and and chocolate ice cream and olive oil with a little bit of what with a little bit of sea salt it kind of tastes a bit like butter kiss doesn't it kind of buttery yeah it feels good for you yeah yeah um before we let you go can you give us a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere a nostalgic taste

54:09it would probably have to be those waffle fries with the ice cream to be honest is it just you and your mom there yes i was on the elevator i almost dropped my fries and my ice cream and I got so nervous. But I remember that feeling and how good it was to share that with her. I loved sharing food with my mom. She was just so enthusiastic about food and it was one of our love languages for sure.

54:37Lennie Ware: I love that. Kelly Rowland, thank you for being, well, not only a superstar, but like gorgeous and generous and such good fun. Thank you. As are you. No, but congratulations on everything. I'm so excited to carry on seeing you absolutely smacking it. Thank you. And looking fab after no sleep. Thank you. And thank you for this salad. Such a pleasure. Do you have to tell me the ingredients for the... I'll send it to you. I've got it here. It's on my phone. Because it was delicious. I'm recreating that at home.

55:25Kelly Rowland she was the most beautiful woman I've ever seen yes Mel she was just so gorgeous I love her when she walked in she actually took my breath away first of all the hair you know I'm into big hair she had the biggest hair I've ever seen but the most luminous beautiful skin luminous radiant skin

55:45Lennie Ware: And the woman did a red eye this morning. Yeah. And she looked like she'd been asleep for a full week. She looked like she'd just come back from holiday. Oh. And a smile on her face. Had seconds. Yeah. Had an answer for everything. Yeah. Was so up for it. Yeah. Just a glorious, glorious guest to start season 19. I loved her. The only thing I'm not sure about is chips and ice cream. No, we're going to have to try it, Mum. Okay, darling. We are going to do this. We're going to go, you're going to, you can see little YouTube shorts of mum and I are trying things that our guests suggest. So waffle, fries and ice cream.

56:24Lennie Ware: I think that sounds great. Okay. I'm up for the challenge. Okay. Maybe you can send us some of your combos and maybe we'll try them out on YouTube or on the podcast. We'll see. Thank you so much to Kelly Rowland. And, you know, she's had a really, really busy day, but she was glorious and sweet and kind and interesting and had a story for everything. Just how we like it. And had seconds. It was glamorous. The outfit. She looked like a doll. She was perfect. I mean, are we allowed to say she just got into her companies to go to Manchester, though? And she still looked divine, even in big combat trousers, trainers and a big hoodie.

57:03Lennie Ware: I was like, I want to be you. Yeah. I want to be her too. You can watch Kelly as the new voice judge in the UK or you can try her new Super Ranger, Ole. If it makes me look like her, I'm in. Me too, I'm trying it. I'm in. My mum was right. Oil of Ole. We will see you next week for more Table Manners.

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