BONUS: Harry Redknapp Reveals the Biggest PROBLEM in Modern Football - Brought To You By Courvoisier

0:00Hello and welcome to a very special episode of That Peter Crouch Podcast made possible by Corvossier. Ahead of Father's Day, Corvossier wanted to honour fathers as well as father figures in our lives. The men who influenced our journeys and shaped us, which is why they booked today's guest for the show. A true father figure of mine, a man who shaped my journey. It's Mr Harry Redknapp, ladies and gentlemen. Peter, good to see you. Good to see you. Right, before we start, Harry, I'm going to make you one of these. Right. Corvossier, do you want it with ginger ale? Whatever, I don't know. What's the best?

0:31Or do you want it straight up? I'm going to go straight up personally. I'll go straight up then, yeah. Sounds good, Pete. Oh, yeah, here we go.

0:42Cheers, Peter. Yeah, Harry, cheers to the father figures that shaped us. Good to see you. Well done. Cheers, mate.

0:53That's good. Lovely, that. How have you been there, Harry? Yeah, good, Pete. All good. Yeah, we have been busy. always somewhere doing something, you know? Yeah. What's a lot of golf, I hear? A lot of golf. I play with one of your old managers, Tony Pulis. Yeah. And, yeah, you know what Tony's like. He likes to win, obviously, and we play off levels. He's really about three shots better than me. You know, this whole, obviously, premise of this now with Kovacier is, you know, father figures. I have to say, those two people on the golf course there, huge influence yourself and Tony as well, was absolutely brilliant with me when I was at Stoke as well.

1:29Yeah, Tony, good lad. Yeah, good character, isn't he? And he was my assistant. I signed him as a player, Pete. I know you did. Yeah, I went down to watch him play at Newport one night and he played against me, against us, when he was at Newport earlier in the season. And then I'd heard that they might release him. So I went down to watch him play. And when I got there, he wasn't playing. He was dropped. So I went in a little place out there to have a cup of tea before the game. And I'm ready to watch him play. and the team sheet comes. Next thing, he's sitting next to me. So anyway, I tapped him up and ended up signing him on a free transfer.

2:02He's done a great job for me. Done a good job. I'd like to think, hopefully I did a good job for you, Harry. Do you remember the first time maybe you saw me play or we met? Yeah, first time I saw you, Pete, was at Chabell Heath. Yeah, that's right. Playing at the Tottenham. Spurs v West Ham. Yes, yeah. I remember you watching. I was manager at West Ham and you came and you played at the Tottenham. And yeah, I'm not saying, you know, I thought you had good ability, obviously. you were different you know I was a long way off it then I was a long way off it yeah you know your touch and everything was great and you know it was yes I followed you really and then obviously you know when you finally came to Portsmouth that was a story in itself really yeah yeah because Graham Ricks was very Graham was very keen on getting you I was director of football then Pete you know and so Milan Mandrick you know he said look you know he wants to sign I said well yeah I think he'll be a great signing for us you know Graham wants him I think he'll be brilliant and Milan Mandrick said to me if you think I pay a million pounds for a basketball player you're crazy I remember it I said he's not a basketball player he's a good player good footballer he said okay on your head at the end of the year we sold you to Aston Villa after one season and then Milan said I always told you he was a good player so that was yeah that was about it wasn't it I mean listen that was a good time I remember I had a season at QPR I ended up going to Portsmouth with you Graham and Milan loved every moment of it as well but then everyone thinks that you signed me all the time but I remember you know you sold me then and I think probably sold me was it Southampton as well yeah but yeah when you went different circumstances yeah when you went I mean they came in Villa and obviously they paid a lot of money for you at that time Pete wasn't it you know Graham Taylor you know that was right yeah yeah bless him he was the manager and so yeah he was an office that was but it was obviously from Portsmouth's point of view it was a fantastic deal wasn't it one season you know making fantastic money for you so yeah yeah yeah no it was good it was good I remember going to Aston Villa and then I struggled really I remember there was I think I was doing flying in the championship but kind of struggled in the Premier League I just I don't know if I was ready for it you know physically I remember my debut was against Newcastle I remember Alan Shearer was up one end of the pitch and I was up the other and I thought if that's what I need where I need to be I'm a million miles away from this yeah And then I had to go kind of to Southampton and we had two manager changes before you come in and we were struggling near the bottom of the league.

4:32So you come in to try and save us. And I remember I wasn't even playing. And you came in and kind of gave me the confidence. We're like, you know, why aren't you playing? You and Kevin Phillips will be my front two for the rest of the season. And then things just took off. Yeah, I mean, it was an amazing season though, Pete, wasn't it? how we ever went down, we played so well that year. You know, you look back at the... And we had all the top teams to play at home. Every, you know, I think they'd played all the bottom half. It was incredible, really. But we end up, I think we beat Liverpool at home.

5:07Drew with Arsenal with 10 men when David Pratt and got sent off. And every, I mean, you know, Everton at home, we were, when we were beating Everton. That was me, that one. Oh no, you had the ball down the corner. yeah do you know that's the one that haunts me really does yeah and me we'd have stayed up that year I know I'm blaming you there I know it wasn't my fault it was I remember I beat two players yeah got excited thought I could shoot from 30 yards never scored a goal from 30 yards in my life and I always remember you know the ball was in I think it might be Nigel Martin's hands he booted it forward and Marcus Bent ended up going through and I thought please don't score don't score he's in the last minute smashed it in scored and I always remember Jamie who you signed Jamie just turned around and looked at me and started giving me absolute pelters and I thought I'm going to go in and get loads from you and to be fair to you you kind of you knew that I'd made a mistake but I think Jamie was more aggressive than you were really oh no that was amazing but then we had some great performances that year and as I say how we end up going down was amazing you know yeah it was a good team as well Oh, you look at the players.

6:20Yeah, we played some good stuff. And then we ended up having to beat, obviously, you got sent off at Palace. Yeah, yeah. And then we had, so that was our big chance of beating Man United, really, was with you up front, you know, and playing the way we'd played, getting it up to you and, you know, getting Kevin or whoever around you. But then you were suspended for that game. And Alex, it was, they needed, Portsmouth had to go to West Brom and win. can you imagine Portsmouth weren't going to try to keep us up wouldn't be Southampton I mean the other one Pete was the day we played we'd only I'd only just gone there we drew Southampton in the cup I remember it man so I'll be honest I'm on the touchline with 25 minutes to go and I didn't care who scored alright because I don't want to go back to Fratton Park I'm scared I do not want to go back to Fratton Park somebody score a goal I don't care if it's them us please don't make me go back to Fratton Park you know and then we got the penalty oh my god penalty is the last minute last minute and you're looking at me I'm going no not Cratch I didn't see you as a penalty taker I'm going no not Cratch and you were looking right full of confidence got the ball in my arm and I look over at Aaron and I'm just sitting no no no and then you put it down and slotted it home and I'm like oh thank god I ain't got to go back to Fratton Park yet I was thinking it was with myself you know Nigel Quasi there was a few few of us that didn't you know wouldn't have relished frat and park probably at that time but you know we managed to get through it we did but i have to say like from a personal point of view um that season you know back end of the season from the minute you came in i think i scored 16 goals after christmas from when you came in so i was flying and then you and jamie started talking about me potentially being able to play for england and i i was like as a few people probably were be like you know no there's no way there's no way even myself was thinking, you know, I don't think I'm ready for that.

8:14But I remember you and Jamie championing me to do it and then ended up, you know, I did get in at the end of that season and I stayed in there for five years after that. Yeah, fantastic. Yeah, no, I do think without you and Jamie, I'm not sure I'd have got there. Yeah, I think you would have, you know, but I think it's like everything though, isn't it? It's like, you know, you look back, you have to have someone believe in you, you know, When someone believes in you, it's so important, isn't it? Even Bobby Moore, Bobby was my best pal. He swore that without Malcolm Allison, who was a senior captain of West Ham, but had struggled with illness and was now coaching the kids Tuesday and Thursday nights, he saw something in Bobby that nobody else saw.

8:57And he believed in him. And Bobby said, without Malcolm, Harry, I would never have been a player. Never in a million years would I have got... He wouldn't have even got signed on. there was one place left on the ground staff and some other kid was going to get signed and Malcolm Allison said to the coaching staff no you take him Bobby Moore I'm telling you and they went he can't run Malcolm he can't you know he's not so I'm telling you he'll be a player you take him and they took him and that was do you need someone to believe in you it's fantastic it makes a difference doesn't it yeah yeah no it does it does totally you know it's needed and I think obviously we get a bit of stick from you know get the band back together I've had myself, Defoe, Crenshaw, you know, players that you know so well.

9:39But, like, you probably would give them the confidence as well because I know how good they are in training. Like, Crenshaw, for me, was one of the best footballers I've played with. Oh, Nico was a fantastic footballer, yeah. Jermaine Defoe, we know how good he is as well. Yeah. But I suppose you would instil the confidence in them that you do with me as well. Yeah, but I think knowing people as well, and you work with people, Pete, you know, and you've been around, you know them, you know their character, you know their good lads. So when you go to another club, you think, yeah, I love it. I take him with me because, you know, I know what he's like.

10:05I know he's a good player and he's a good person and, you know, everything about him you like. So you take him with me. I mean, you've got to be a bad judge of a person or a player if you go to another club when you've managed someone or somewhere else. And then, you know, but no, I'd never had any doubts when I came in for you at any time that, you know, you were going to do well. I think the Portsmouth journey was amazing, wasn't it? You know, and I genuinely thought we were on the verge of something, obviously winning the FA Cup. and then, you know, the team we had was unbelievable. Look at that midfield with Diara and Montara and Crenshaw, you know, myself and Jermaine up front, you know, Ntaka Karno, some team we had.

10:41Oh, it was, yeah. Good players. Sol Campbell, Sylvain Distan, you know, as you say, Glenn Johnson at right back. I mean, it was some group of players, wasn't it? Yeah. Crazy, you know? Yeah, unbelievable. But good days. They were great days for me at Portsmouth. I really did love my time there, Pete. You know, it was, and the lads, you were, you know, the training ground wasn't great and it was, but no, everyone just sort of got on with it, didn't they? And, you know, carried, we just, you know, yeah, it was a brilliant place to be. And then obviously we worked together at Spurs and I have to say, I mean, that was, that was a joy.

11:15I was very close to signing for, for Sunderland under Steve Bruce. I don't know if you remember. And I ended up, I ended up, yeah, as soon as Tottenham came in and you came in, I knew that that was where I wanted to be. And I remember you just kind of came in under Ramos and it was, they were struggling right Spurs ended up kind of top half no danger whatsoever and then the next season we we just kicked on didn't we and you know looked round the side it was unbelievable people say to me what's your two greatest two of you great as ever anyway was going to Man City that night and winning Pete we had to win the draw was no good because they had a better goal difference and you scored that night and scored that goal that was that was fantastic to go into the Champions League for the first time and then obviously going to Milan was an amazing night, wasn't it?

12:03Two unbelievable nights. Two unbelievable nights for me, you know, to be a manager and for you to come up with the goals. It was fantastic, wasn't it? Oh, God, honestly, I think some of the, probably the happiest memories, definitely as an away goal goes, I think that was the highlight of my career, really, just because the importance of it and the game and how tight it was. And obviously that journey in the Champions League was amazing. It was, yeah. Great times, wasn't it? I remember the first game, Pete, you know, young boys are burning away. Clive Allen went to watch him play because the draw was made and we were playing on the Saturdays.

12:38I'd never had a chance to see him. So Clive went over, came back. I said, what do you reckon? He said, no, they're useless. He said, no, we're murdering them. You know, they're useless. I was like, really? Yeah. We got there and they had that horrible AstroTerm pitch. It was shocking, wasn't it? and suddenly we went 3-0 down in about 20 minutes. I went back to Clive. I can't tell you what I said to Clive Allen. I went back to the target. I said, I thought you said they was... Anyway, we had managed to scrape our way out of it, didn't we? We got a goal back just for a couple of goals back. Ended up 3-2.

13:11Yeah. Having Busson, I think it was. Beat them at home, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were good, great times. The home game was amazing, the atmosphere. That's when I knew that we were going to go on a journey. everything it felt like a different White Hart Lane didn't it yeah it was a real buzz yeah as you say it was European nights and White Hart Lane were just incredible weren't they yeah so special yeah and obviously the journey was amazing I remember the whole Champions League journey but then obviously I ended up having a bit of a now against Real Madrid I think I just got too excited ended up getting sent off yeah but I think Ramos was a bit played me there yeah he was a bit clever one day I suppose it was but that's how it goes but great to go there wasn't it it was absolutely amazing but I think I'd never played in the Bernabeu before and I think I think I just got a little bit I've never made two tackles in my life so why I've made those two I've no idea but it would have been difficult anyway but I would have liked to have seen us 11 v 11 over two legs yeah over two legs yeah and we hung on in there for quite a while didn't we and then yeah but no it was a great adventure wasn't it great time I loved it loved every minute of it Yeah, what was it, Harry?

14:22I mean, you signed me three times in my career at various different points in my career, really. Right at the start, right at the kind of midway point, really, and then towards the end, what was it? I just thought you were a good player, Pete. You know, simple as that, really. I knew that you could lead the line, score goals for us. You know, not because you're sitting there. I just knew you were a great lad and everything else as well. You know, good professional. It was, no, it was a no-brainer. You know, he was, yeah, and, you know, same as you and another, Jermaine Defoe was another one, wasn't he, as we said earlier, and, you know, good players and good people.

15:00So you can't go wrong, can you? What do you think was the key to your success, Harry, like in your management? Obviously, I always felt like I looked at players, you know, like Wilson Palacios or Chulich or Luka, players that I felt that probably played their best football. I always played my best football under you. I feel like it was just the confidence and maybe simplifying their game. Certainly with Wilson, I played with Wilson at Stoke. He was a completely different player to the player he was at Tottenham. And yeah, there was a few injuries, but I felt like you, I always remember you saying to him, like, go win it back because that's what he's pulling at.

15:37And I just want you to give it to Luka Modric and we'll play from there. And I felt like you simplified his game. Would that be fair? Yeah, and I think, you know, with you, Pete, you know, I'd always, in the main, want you to just pull on the diagonal, drop it up, not necessarily up to you, drop balls up to you that you can hold up, bring people into play, and then, you know, play from there. And I want that team to play like that a lot, you know. And I think that relationship we had with Rafa van der Vaal was incredible. Rafa's goals, the amount of goals he would read off of you, wouldn't he, and come and you'd drop balls down to him and he'd get on this and suddenly, bang, it was in the back of the net.

16:12So, no, I just think, you know, your game was good, everything about it. You know, I just enjoyed working with you and your football and your all-round ability. People, you know, you're not the strongest head-ridden ball in the world, are you? You're not going to get up and head balls from 18 yards in the back of the net. It was that crazy. But, you know, just your general play, your all-round play was what I liked, you know. I remember sitting on the sideline I think I was injured for one training session I remember standing with you and I remember we were just enjoying what we had there you know when we see Gareth Bale Van der Vaart Luka Modric Tom Harrelson Robbie Keane we're watching Ledley King you know like some of the talent Aaron Lennon going past quick and pace frightening really at times you look at some of that I remember sitting standing on the sideline and thinking like I know you know because usually I'm in it and I'm just worried about my game but being able to stand there with you and trying to take stock of what we are.

17:12I was like that, Pete. You know, at the train, the way the lads could ping the ball about and move the ball was just fantastic. I used to love it. You know, it was great for me. So, yeah, they were great days. So, yeah, when you look back, there were so many places along the way that, you know, I really enjoyed being. Yeah, who was the best, Harry? Other than me, obviously. Who would be the best that you've worked with? Like, fighting, personality and as a player. Yeah. Well, the boys at West Ham, they were young when I had them. You know, Frank, Rio, you know, they were young. Joe was, they were all kids in, you know.

17:46So I didn't really, but then I suppose, you know, Gareth Bale was amazing. Luka Modric was amazing, wasn't he? They were two incredible players that we had. Lissana Diara was an amazing player, wasn't he? Yeah, unbelievable talent. Unbelievable talent. So Paolo Di Canio was an unbelievable player. What a talent. You know, I watched a thing the other day, Pete, where it was like Premier League icons it showed you Parlo's goals I mean I forgot some of the goals that he'd scored obviously for me at West Ham over the years they were amazing goals Unbelievable yeah I remember the one obviously the one that gets talked about is the volley at Upton Park but I remember one I think it was was it one at Stanford Bridge where he popped it up and hit it with his left yeah that was an unbelievable goal I was at that game I remember watching it live thinking oh my god yeah no he's just the repertoire of goals that he scored were crazy, you know.

18:40And he was an amazing character. Difficult to manage or a dream? I loved – a bit of both. Oh, no, difficult. Difficult. Oh, and Apollo, but I loved him, you know. He was so good. But he was a one-off, you know. He'd come in one day and he'd be in a good mood. He'd be singing Valare and have his sunglasses on. And he was the smartest guy he'd ever seen, you know. But you never knew where you're going with him. But what a player. And I loved him as a person as well. Was he one of those players, you know, like I'd say, like Cantona, Alex Ferguson said, you know, you almost have to treat him differently to everyone else.

19:15Oh, absolutely. Give him a bit more love. Absolutely. You know, if you're going to come and start shouting at Parlow, then forget it. It's all going to kick off, you know, every murders. But no, he was a great trainer, Pete. He was in such great condition. He looked after himself, you know. he'd come in Sunday morning do two or three hours with his fitness coach you know just personal trainer just yeah he lived right looked after himself and he was an amazing talent Yeah I remember obviously when I was playing for you I remember you kind of saying there's no point in me being there if we don't play to my strengths because quite often I think at Spurs we had so many good footballers we were we were past it it was very slow and methodical at times I remember when you when you came in it was like if I'm playing And if we're going to do that, we might as well play Robbie Keane and Damain Foe.

20:04You know, there's a time to get it out wide. There is a time to put it in the box. There is a time to drop it into me and kind of play from there. And I think that's why, because you got the best out of me, is because you were, you know, always playing to my strengths. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as you say, what's the point? And you can hold the ball. I see football now, Pete. I watch so many games and I think, well, you know, I watch Tottenham now. And, you know, I think they mess around. You know, get up to Solanke. and he can hold the ball in. Then get it done. Then go and join him and now play your football in their half of the pitch, in their final third.

20:40Why keep messing about back here? It's crazy, isn't it? What is that risk and reward thing? How do you see it? You know when you're consistently playing out and the other team know you're going to do it? So they're setting traps and ready to... Yeah, I see plenty of risk and I don't see much reward. I never see them play... When they ever play through and end up with a shot or goal, never do they. you know so no I think it's gone crazy everybody now was I think Pep came in and did that with players that could do it and everybody else they'll want to be Pep Guardiola don't they all the managers and that now unfortunately and it's not a lot of them 90 % of them the teams are not capable I see lower division football where I see teams I watch every game I see goals being given away through people trying to play out in the back and pass it to the centre halves who really in all honesty back in my day I'd have said you're in the team because you're good in the air so edit and kick it you're not you know we don't want you getting on the ball you're not France Beckham, Bauer, Bobby Moore you know do what you're good at and that was I think that's what it's about getting people to do what your strengths are you know Yeah I think that was what was so kind of special about your management it was not you know they're not why are you you're not going to put centre-halves on the ball you know you just simplify their game you're there to defend get players who who are comfortable on the ball, on the ball, players who are good, like Wilson Palacios was, at winning the ball back.

22:06Yeah. Give it to Luke. Give it to Luke. Give it to Luke. Give it to someone who can play. Yeah, get it. Yeah. It was like the great, you know, I think, who was it? De Champ, they called him the HUD carrier, didn't they? Or whatever, you know. The water carrier. The water carrier, you know. Because other people around him, fantastic foot, you know, he'd win it and give it to, you play, I can win the ball, you go and play, now you go and win the game, do your stuff, you know so but he's recognising that and he surely is a football person that's what you have to do How do you think things have changed Harry you know like kind of over the years from when you first came in at Bournemouth to managing now would you enjoy managing now or would you have preferred it kind of when you managed I think I preferred it back in the day Pete because you were the manager of the football club and you run the football club you chose the players you know it was your if the players were no good it was your, you know, you got the blame.

22:58If they were great, you'd... Now the managers really have very little say in who comes in. They're all chosen by heads of recruitment. And so you're in their hands. If they're bad judges and they're bringing you bad players... I listened to a programme the other day there and there was a chief executive talking. He was at Southampton back in a few years ago and he was saying that the manager had... There were six people on the committee and the manager had one sixth of a vote. And... On who he brings in. on who they bring in. And they said, would he have the final say? They said, oh, no. He said, no, no, of course he didn't.

23:30No, he was just one. So you're relying on five people who probably never played football to be the judges of who you bring in. And if their judgment is wrong and they're bringing you players, what are you supposed to do? It must be a nightmare to think, as soon as they walk in the door, you think, I don't fancy him. He's not for me. What are you supposed to do? It's horrendous, isn't it? Whereas, you know, you see someone, you think, I like him. I go and watch someone play I like him and then it's down to you you know it's your judgement isn't it yeah and I suppose like it's your head on the chopping block you know if you bring in a player that you don't really and then it's very difficult for them to come out and say it I suppose then you just look wrong kind of blaming other people as if you know passing the butt when it don't work who gets the sack the manager not the people who bring the players they're sort of this the other five of them or whatever it might be they're still there and the manager he cops the blame, doesn't he?

24:25The crowd don't share a sack whoever it is. They share a sack the manager, you know? So it's very different now. And I think youth football's changed, all the way through football clubs. I think one of the worst things was moving going to academies because now the players, the kids don't train where the first team train. They train somewhere else in most cases. So they don't see the first team. The first team don't know the kids. The manager don't know the kids. He's not seeing them. they're in another part of wherever they are and you don't get to see them whereas back in the day you all trained together when you first went to Tottenham you probably was all at you were always around them yeah all around the first team you played with them at times of course you did yeah and you know I was at West Ham and suddenly we needed we're having a game I said okay Tony Carson Tony sent me three over three kids I need a centre half midfield player and a winger whatever and he'd send three other kids and they'd come and train me the first team and so you knew them kids, you saw them and they're kids and then you'd all have dinner together, you could sit next to the first team players and they knew you, you knew them.

25:31So when you did come through and you were ready to play, it wasn't like a big shock you come from another building into the first team building and I think that's been a big problem. And managers now, I honestly don't think they go and watch youth teams play, Pete. They're not. I go and watch Bournemouth youth team and the manager, they come there they know that they're only it's a short term they're only as good as the you know the first team is the key the first team's not they don't back in the day it was everybody was you'd go and watch the youth teams I used to go every Saturday morning every Saturday when we played at home I'd go to Chabble Leaf watch the kids play leave there 15 minutes in the second half shoot back to Upton Park for the first team game but never miss the youth game I remember playing I think every time I played at Chabble Leaf I think I saw you on the sideline watching yeah I'd always watch Pete you know we had that I grew up under Ron Greenwood was a manager when I was a player and he was exactly he went to every youth game never missed a game you know the kids were part of that was how it was that was now unfortunately as I say I don't think too many managers now go and watch youth games yeah to be fair to Arsene Wenger I always remember seeing him on the side whenever we played Arsenal he was watching which is yeah and Alex knew I'd go to Old Trafford and Alex would say I'd go to Harry we've got a fantastic 11 year old kid here you know in all the kids, you know, like I did.

26:51Yeah, brilliant. But I don't think that happens. Yeah, that's moved on. What would it have been like at West Ham? So say you wanted to sign a player, how would the process work? Well, I'd go and see the chairman and, you know, say, look, you know, we need chairman. I think, you know, we need to get a centre. I remember signing, wanting to sign the Canio, you know, and the chairman said, yeah, we need somebody, Ari, yeah, we need somebody to play up front or, you know, around the front. he said yeah we definitely need someone and I said yeah I want to take Paulo Ducani and he put his head in his hands and he said please Harry anyone but him he said to me because he'd pushed a referee over and he'd been suspended and he came back from he was just you know getting over for his finishing his suspension and it was a gamble but yeah so that was how it worked just you and the chairman straight the chairman would you know you talk to him and you do it, you know?

27:48Yeah. And obviously talking about, there's some great managers obviously in the Premier League at the moment, but you must know more than anyone obviously the job that Areola's done at Bournemouth, right? Like an unbelievable job, right? Just touching on those, obviously with Michael Edwards and Richard Hughes going to Liverpool, because they were part of your staff, right? Obviously I played with Fusey and Michael Edwards was obviously the analyst and now they've gone on to Liverpool to do it. When he was a kid, you know, gave me his first real job and he came in, didn't he? Did all the analyst stuff for us, you know, the pro zone.

28:24And then he put some funny video. He had a funny video one day I remember he put on him, taking the mickey out of me. And, you know, he was good lad. West Ham's had a poor year, Pete. Yeah. What do you make of West Ham? I mean, with the three teams at the bottom who came up going down, West Ham are full from bottom. I mean it's been a disastrous season I think for West Ham they need their recruitment needs to improve next year for sure to give Graham Potter a chance to succeed so it'll be interesting next year Man City has surely got to come back and mount a challenge next year you'd have thought to Liverpool Arsenal again you know I think if they make another one or two signings they've got to be there Pete you know so it's going to be yeah be another interesting year I still think Chelsea are a little bit away from challenging for a title I wouldn't see them Villa are improving but still I don't see them challenging I think the winners next year will probably Newcastle on the up look good yeah if they can keep the centre forward that's going to be key so yeah they'll be up there again it'll be interesting yeah do you agree with the kind of premise that the team's coming up now it's too big a gap for them to stay up obviously the three that came up last year have gone down.

29:41You know, we know we've got Leeds and Burnley. I think Leeds have got a chance, Pete. You know Leeds. It's always a difficult place to go, isn't it? The fans and the support they get, they're very, you know, it's the atmosphere that they create there. I think Leeds will have a real chance, I think, next year. They could break the trend of it, you know? I also think as well, like Burnley, I think it starts defensively our defensive record was amazing this season they've got an opportunity just if they can get enough goals obviously they've managed to keep out a lot of teams this season it'd be nice to see one or two of them come in but then you look and think who's going to go down it's difficult isn't it Brentford have established themselves as a very good Premier League team now very good Bournemouth again they're suddenly looking at being a top half team on a regular basis.

30:38So you start to look around who could go down and it's not easy to find them, is it? Unless the teams have come up again. Would you, on a personal level, Harry, would you get back involved in football if someone asked you? No, I think now, no, I've had my time, Pete. You know, I loved it. I had some great times, obviously, but no, it's difficult now. You know, I'm busy, busy all the time doing different stuff and playing a bit of golf and I enjoy my golf. Do you know what, Harry, we need a game of golf. Oh, definitely. Welcome to. come to mind sometime we'll have a game definitely Tony as well that'd be brilliant yeah I'll get Tony yeah because there's a nice golf course down where we play but me and Tony has come up to your place well either way I'd love to come down I'll bring him up for the day yeah alright and he'd love that he speaks so highly of you Pete as well yeah yeah they were good days that stoked for you weren't they great days honestly I mean that was a tough place to go wasn't it oh I mean honestly we had a real good blend yeah of like some quality in there as well but we were tough to beat very tough to beat very tough to beat oh my god it was and Rory the lap throwing the ball in was something else wasn't it yeah his boy looks a good player he's a really good player yeah I like him yeah looks very good looks very good what do you reckon if I bring a Carvossier down is he Tony is he going to enjoy that Tony yeah he can yeah we'll bring him up yeah watch his handicap Pete I have to be honest he's a bit of a bandit yeah alright you know he likes to win he don't like the part with three goal balls I'll bring one of them up No, bring one up.

32:08Harry, I've got a gift before you go. It's a limited edition Carvossier box created very specially for Father's Day. Appreciate all you do and all you have done for me. Thank you. More than Jamie's ever done for you. Absolutely. So I obviously one up on him. Okay, mate. Harry, cheers, mate. Thanks for coming in. Great to see you again. Great to see you. Top, man. Love you. Cheers. so thanks to Harry and Cavossier for today's episode and before we go remember Cavossier is the perfect gift for this Father's Day whether it's your dad or father figure in your life known for its distinctive floral notes it's beautiful drink to enjoy on its own but also works perfectly in cocktails like an espresso martini or a sour this Father's Day Cavossier has created three thoughtfully designed gift boxes each with a unique message so you can choose the one that best reflects what you want to say.

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