Evolution of Football: Long Throws, Pep Ball & Has Data Officially DESTROYED the Game?

0:00This podcast is part of the A-Class Creator Network. Hello and welcome to that Peter Crouch podcast with me, Peter Crouch. I've got Chris Stark and Stephen Stidwell with me as usual. Chris, you look like you're on OnlyFans. I don't know if you look like you're on OnlyFans or it's like Babe Station or something. Obviously, it's a bit of a remote record. It's that one, just call me. Call me. Please, call me. It's a nightmare. So basically, this podcast is going to be a mess, by the way, because basically a little later on, it's going to cut to something we recorded because we've had to be all about it because Crouchy's various side quests and trips and whatever it is.

0:49So anyway, I've just come back from Centre Park to jump on for this first bit of the record. But I forgot we're getting work done in my house, right? So the room where I've got the stuff in, I've had to go full Yoko Ono. I'm just lying on the floor here. It's pathetic. With a camera in front of me, the only way I can be comfortable is getting off my knees and sort of adopting the... You know when David Brent's having his photo taken and he poses in different... That's going to be me throughout this because I can't stay in one position too long because the knees have gone. So it's all in all just an absolute nightmare here.

1:24But you did insist on recording this now, so we'll have to run with it. Love it. Babe Station has tickled me. the only reason the only reason we don't record it obviously we recorded a fantastic episode about the evolution of football and we did that just before we we come away but obviously with the with the Friday pod as we like to call it or the league that we have going you know we have to wait till the results kind of Saturday and Sunday to see what happens to talk about the following week and obviously then get the predictions in our heads so the league matters yeah well Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

2:02So, look, we'll crack on because it's been an unbelievable weekend for me anyway. I've got three points at a time where I desperately needed them. But even sweeter than that was the manner in which they were won. Taking them from you there, Crouchy, it was one all into the dying embers of the game. 90th minute, 2-1. Bosh. This is what I genuinely ruined my chip. I'll be honest with you. I'm in Universal in Florida, Orlando, Florida at the moment. Universal looking after us. It's been a lovely trip. The kids are having the time of their lives. And then the news filters through that it's won all.

2:43The game's won all in the 90th minute, you know. So I go and get myself on the Hagrid ride. I'm having the time of my life. I get off the Hagrid ride, get my little boy out the sidecar and find out it's 2-1 and the three points go to Chris. Never been so sick. Well, the whole thing was a bit of a shambles because originally when we'd done this fixture, Fulham was on our sheet to be at home, wasn't they? And Newcastle was away, I believe. So the lads in production, we got messages. I don't know whether you got DM'd, but I got a few messages to let them know that. Talking of a few messages, lads, just a quick one.

3:28I don't know if you've seen my post on social the other day. I'm doing a thing for Football Escapes next summer, a coaching camp that obviously, Crouchy, you do as well. And underneath, I've seen this. I've seen this. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Have you seen this, Crouchy? I haven't seen this, right? I might have to pick up. I might have to pick this up from you here, Steve, because I was a few beers in, in that bar in Centre Parks, right? And I've been tagged in this picture multiple times. And it's Steve Sidwell announcing he's doing football escapes, whatever it's called. And there's, are you talking about the dates underneath it?

4:13Yeah, yeah. So this flashed up on my phone and honestly, Crouchy, it's going to sound really dark. So I'm really pleased that Sid has brought it up because it means we can talk about it i honestly thought sid's had died for a minute because it came up like an in memoriam post in the same font you gotta show him sid's yeah so i've got you yeah so it's just like the like you know peter grouch 1981 to yeah exactly that hopefully boys honestly on the amount of messages i got suck me sid's i thought you was dead because people like were reading it like four in the morning when they're getting in or seven in the morning when they wake up with their kids and when i open they was like uh honestly i had i have had hundreds and hundreds of messages the the the the glad to see the bonfire still burning and uh glad to see you're still alive

5:12sid show him the show him the one show him the announcement it's brilliant that was basically

5:23he was a great man he was a great man he gave us so much joy it was the smiley face on it that did me as well there we go there was an air of that you know where Ian Wright meets his old teacher he's like I thought he was dead there really was an air of that to it Do you know what? There's quite a bit actually went on. I don't know if you saw the fourth official at the Brentford-Liverpool match. Got the call-up. Just feel like fourths are coming to the fort at the minute. No pun intended. So really pleased for him. I think it was Simon Hooper who got a run out. And also, I don't know if you saw this, Leighton Orion.

6:11The steward as well getting a lot of love. Brilliant. Yeah, the steward's got a pair of white boots on. All the crowd are singing. You know, he's got them for his birthday. and sign him up, sign him up. I don't know if you check the ball. Sign him up. It's great. Some of the chants. I heard the chant Sheward as well. They were calling him the Sheward. Sheward.

6:37Absolutely fantastic. Oh, I just love it. I just love it. All because he's worn white boots. And a poor bastard. They look box fresh as well, by the way. They're box fresh. They was clean. you know you know with the fourth official coming on for the for the ref there some big calls as well I think at one point I think it was the substitution ref who made the call for the for the time wasting from the goalie as well and Liverpool got awarded a corner firstly I wasn't aware that was the punishment for time wasting from the goalie didn't know that so I guess my first question would be do you think that's the right punishment for that crime?

7:20Because to me, it feels a bit random. It goes from that to a corner. And the other question I suppose I want to ask is, it really isn't enforced enough, that, is it, goalie time wasting? Do you think we'll see a bit more of that this season? Yeah, I think the fact that it's given a corner is because it feels like that indirect free kick you could potentially score from, and it feels a bit harsh. Whereas I think, yeah, I know you can score from a corner, of it's a little bit harder kind of matches the crime i think you know what i mean yeah it's like you know if i'm if i if i steal a couple of penny sweets i wouldn't i wouldn't expect to get two years in prison do you know what i mean if i steal a couple of penny sweets you know it's a little bit of a maybe a fine yeah you've actually ruined corners for me ever since you said on the podcast that we all stand up for corners in the stand right and i love that noise of all the chairs going, there's anticipation.

8:16But then you ruined it by saying how few goals are scored from corners. And ever since then, I've refused to stand up. But obviously, you know, we're going to talk about the evolution of football today. And obviously set pieces, long throw-ins are becoming a huge factor now. And of course we stand up. But I do look round, certainly back when I played, I looked round at the fans of different football clubs of different nations. And I wouldn't change this for the world, But I genuinely believe that we are the only crowd to get so excited by a corner. Like genuinely, genuinely excited to the point where we, the whole crowd stand up, right?

8:55We have players now. Players have started doing this. Have you seen this one now? They're all doing it. All the players are raising their hands in the air going like that, right? When they get a corner. Also, the other one I've noticed as well is in Spain, you know, all the handkerchiefs come out if a defender smashes the ball into the crowd like as well he's defending you know the white handkerchiefs are out and say like come on you could have played there you could have got past him and set up an attack with some passing whereas we if someone slides one out they've got no one that near them the ball's bouncing they lash one out of play and then riles the crowd up like that I feel like I feel like we're the only nation in the world where they go yeah fucking come on it's true let's have it it's true there's certain British things we do that I don't think we realise the rest of the world aren't really doing Why do we get so wet for corners, Steve?

9:44I get wet out of corner kick. Why do we do it? Well, because it's the best chance that you see how many players are in the box in the end. There must be 22 players on the pitch. There must be at least 18 of them, 17, 18 of them in the box. More so, there's about 15 of them in the six-yard box. I think everyone just loves the chaos. It's massive. yeah it's massive yeah I like I think it's good for entertainment I think it's good I like it I remember I think there was one game Chelsea it was Chelsea Old Trafford he's gone he's gone he's had to change he's had to change have a look sorry I'm just going to change positions give me one sec I just feel like someone's just giving him a call and gone Chris can you get can you get all fours I'm going to have to do all fours for the next two or three minutes Harry since you can't go on

10:45carry on carry on carry on the conversation yeah corner kicks

11:01sorry for the audio listener for the audio listener I think we we thought Chris has gone on forced because his knees are hurting and me and Sid's have joined him in solidarity in the in the babe station pose why don't we all why don't we do the next bit all in the same position just switch every four or five minutes it's only uncomfortable that's the them carry on they don't even know where we were should we get to the games yeah let's do it It's distracting. I'll move. I'll move. It's slightly distracting. It's just that all fours, I'm not sure I can cope with that.

11:54Basically, I'm on 17 points here. You stole those three points off me. Disgusting. Chris has put him on 20 and Zid is on 22. I'm absolutely disgusted, to be quite honest. Sunderland I mean the table at the moment I had it up a minute ago I couldn't quite believe it obviously Arsenal are flying they've gone to 22 points out on their own really all the closest contenders you think of City of Liverpool are struggling of late boys so I'd done the I'd done Sunderland Chelsea Crouchy and Chris on the weekend and honestly Sunderland were absolutely brilliant. I don't know if you've watched them this season or if you've covered one of their games.

12:42They deserved the win, I've got to say. They were absolutely brilliant. Defensively, superb. Going forward, and I've got to give a shout out to our man, Xhaka, because he was near enough man of the match, honestly. I thought he was just going to go there for maybe a little payday, a little swan song. mate he's he's taking it above and beyond to lead that team and they are they are well and truly safe for me well and truly safe they could be they keep going they've got a chance for Europe I'm not even I'm not even giving that a light shout out as well do you know what was so profound like that interview looks so profound now do you know what I mean like stadium of light fire teammates unity true there's this phenomenal phenomenal soundbites like if they get into Europe that's going to we look back at that it's like one of Cantona's seagulls in the trawler yep yep that'd be wild if they get that the league is is I mean there's obviously there's obviously everything that's happening with Liverpool at the moment as well just the league is mad at the moment.

13:59I look at now, right? Arsenal, Bournemouth are in second. Spurs are in third. Sunderland fourth. Manchester United are above Liverpool now, which is insane. Chelsea are down in ninth. You know, like Forest, who were flying last season, are down in 18th. Wind in the sails with United as well. I actually, you know, I was in, again, I was in that Centre Parcs bar. You know, I don't know if you boys have been there. I assume you have. it's brilliant in there drink selection tiny bit pony but the bar itself good atmosphere you know big screen and I just thought it was so exciting watching United play again and now they've got this streak I mean have you heard the story about the lad who's going to cut his hair when they get five in a row as well yeah a great story he's going to he's waited a long time when United win five in a row he's going to cut his hair I don't know whether that's have you not seen this crouch here has he grown it really long yeah when me and Sid's were playing you know you do the five titles in a row fucking cut your hair that's the kind of levels we're at oh mate I'm going to show you I'm going to show you yeah he looks like this is where he's up to look this is where he's up to

15:23wowza wowza he looks like the Scouser from Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. But look what it was before. There's like a ghost presence of his old head. Look at him there. That's how long it's been. Wow. Yeah, but everyone's getting involved in this. I saw Luke Put up something on his Instagram over the weekend. All eyes on this guy's barnet. You know, I don't know what we do. I don't know whether we shave ourselves in solidarity or what we want to commit to as a podcast here, but it does feel like when he gets his hair cut it's going to be a huge moment I'd love us to be there for it OK,

16:05this next part of the podcast is supported by Paddy Powers the big weekend fixture is Tottenham versus Chelsea Tottenham are 13-8 10 against your 26 back Chelsea are 6-4 so slight favourites Chelsea even though Tottenham had a fantastic result last week and Chelsea not so good, obviously, at home. So, interesting one. Spurs are in top four at the moment. Must be pleased with how it's gone. Bad loss at Villa, but picked up again this week. I need a serious bluey. I might actually take two blueys for this one, so I'm going to be taking this really seriously when we see it, boys. Okay, Sid, I don't know if you've got thoughts, but I could do a couple of shout-outs.

16:51So it went up on Instagram about 10 minutes ago. Matt Cherry says, regards to your family, lads. He's got a prediction there. He's saying Tottenham will win. Oliver Drew Dare, Charlie Ryder, Edward Daffin, James Cripwell. That's a good name. Matt Chubb. I'm drawn to Chubb. Yep. What's the Chubbster sign? There's another guy here, Dale Spud Harrison. What a name. He says, afternoon, regards to the boys and your family. Spurs 2, Chelsea 2. Yeah, I'm drawn to that, you know. I think there is going to be goals, lads. Are you going to go for the 2-2, Chris? I'll have the Desmond. What are you boys saying?

17:32Okay, I'm going to lean towards Tottenham on this one. I'm going to go for a Tottenham 2-1 win.

17:44What is he doing in that corner? it looked like reverse it looked like reverse cowgirl I was going to try and give it a bit of this just to try just to try and just try because my bank is killing it's gone for the reverse station of all time he's gone for the reverse twerk I can't believe it can you see me yeah looks like fucking Nicki Minaj like Nicki Minaj

18:14just ignore my camera I'm going to cover his camera up I can't see this this is distracting me you might have to go off okay no visual my back's killing I've got to do something okay I'm going to go for it I'm going to go for a Chelsea win on this one alright Chelsea 2-1 Chelsea 2-1 for me okay let's go for Chelsea 2-1 alright let's move on let's go for Chelsea 2-1 ah fantastic alright well that's good that's good we got the Paddy's boost lads yeah where we pick a a leg in a crowd pod bet builder the odds on the bet builder then boosted by 20 % and put on a special section of Paddy Power's website and app I'm going to go first to score I'm going to go with João Pedro to score first okay good shout I will go for a player to have two or more shots I'm going to go for Mohamed Kudos look at this what are we dealing with here what is this character doing oh it's phenomenal okay I'm going to go player to be carded Rhys James love it okay lovely odds are correct at the time of recording please gamble responsibly moving straight on swiftly on to Forrest versus Manchester United great start from Sean Dyson at Forrest certainly in Europe massive moment for him but I just feel like he got beat by a really good sign at the moment Bournemouth it will be interesting to see how they do in the Premier League because they've obviously struggled this season with regards to Manchester United we touched on them before big fail in the front three I think Kuni He's such a good player.

20:13And Bremo, class actor. I feel like Bruno Fernandes is definitely enjoying playing. Certainly with those two players. Ahmad as well. I just feel like it's lifted kind of everyone. It does feel like there is a resurgence there. Yeah. Yeah. They're in their groove, aren't they, a little bit. I think that was a massive win from against Brighton at home. Because I think at home they've come under fire a lot. So I think that one to get that sort of monkey off their back was a big scalp for them because they've been beaten by Brighton at home quite a lot in the previous season. So I think that's got to give them confidence going to Forrest where, yeah, there's new beginnings there.

20:54And I don't fear for them, Forrest, at all, because I think Sean Dyche is the man that will steady the ship and get him going. But I can't see anything past the Man United win on this one. I've backed Man United a couple of times. They've let me down this season. But I'm going to go for them again. I'm going to go for a 3-1 Man United away win Yeah I like that It's a bit bold It's a bit bold But I'm going to do it I'm going to go for 3-1 Yeah slightly Steve isn't it I imagine you'll go I imagine you'll go You fancy a 2-1 then now Chris don't you Well yeah look I'm going to go yeah full transparency here if you want to talk it out I wanted 3-1 I would naturally be drawn to missionary at this point but Crouchy you choose what you're wanting first and then I will adapt from there no I'm happy I'm happy you go with 2-1 I'll just go with 1-0 Manchester United then I think Dier should keep it tight I do think he will so I'm not too disappointed with 1-0 you know if you ever want to see these scores by the way we we put them up on the instagram and and some of the comments are great so if you go to that peter crouch podcast if you're not following that already go find it on instagram because it's well worth doing someone has described the amount of times i go missionary on this now uh as as christianry and i think that's i think that's a great i just think that's a great word i didn't see ryan i spotted uh wrote that in the comments there christianary christianary nice nice you don't like you do you do have to vary it sometimes you know if you if you do do missionary like a lot i don't know it does feel like you do need to help you out yeah where are we going with this i hear you i do i do hear you it's advice isn't it no he's like oh variety is no it's useful it is yeah everyone just have a word with yourself are you going to missionary in everything at the moment do you need to switch it up it's quite profound sometimes when you talk crouchy you say things that on the face of it are not profound at all but then i sometimes find myself of thinking about them going, God, that's like an unbelievable metaphor for life that you're like an alternative life coach.

23:31I saw one on TV the other day and it was the kind of thing that you would say, what was it? And it wasn't meant to be deep, but then I suddenly thought, God, that's, if you apply that to life, it's incredible. Let me get this right. It says, um, you only need to have one wipe to realize you're going to need 27 more but it will always take but it will take two wipes to realise you only needed one

24:04shit I think for me for me that's that is profound straight away like I haven't that's not a slow banner for me that feels like that's really hit home what that's saying if you're going to take that with you throughout your day is, you know, trust your instinct sometimes. You don't need that second wipe. Trust your gut. You know, trust the situation that's in front of you. It will all work out. Yeah, and obviously you don't have to work. You know, you don't have to work more than you need to to achieve the same goal. Sid? There's not much more I can tag on to that. I think you both you both eloquently put it so so well so well I think that could be your homework Sid for next next week yeah come back with a quote for us okay Brian Leeds big game this big game for both yeah big game it is a good it is a big game what are we saying lads because I like I do like watching Leeds it's always entertaining mmm yeah and I think them games as well do suit Brighton the ones that open up I think they try they find it hard to break teams down I don't think Leeds will do that I think Leeds only know one way to play and that's just on the front foot stretch your game get out of teams so I think this could be this could be this could be goals galore this one but it's not my it's not my go to go first Crouchy I think you're due to go for a look at this Buddha

25:46he's gone for the Erling Haaland celebration just ignore it at this point it's a distraction I thought Brighton was slightly unlucky against United United scored at the right times I still think they played well certainly offensively they scored a lot of goals recently haven't they Brighton I think there'll be I think there'll be goals in this one I do fancy Brighton to win the game you know Danny Welbeck's having a nice Renaissance isn't he I saw him and Milner On the same pitch again To see the The old boys alive and well I'm going to go with Brighton 3-1 Ooh Ooh I can't go missionary I'll get in trouble I'll get in trouble So I'm going to go Did you say 3-1 Or 3-0 3-1 I'm going to go 3-0 then Okay I'm going to go I'm not going to go missionary I'm going to I'm going to go Brighton 2-0 they're going to dog it out bit of doggy Destiny Udoggy Snoop Doggy Dog okay well that concludes the league for this week should we get into the podcast yes let's do it

27:11right lads on the on this week's pod um it was saying james tarkovsky said last week actually he was talking about the kind of the forever changing evolution of football really you know like this season especially it feels like we've had more long balls than ever before more direct play than ever before um you know certainly more long throw-ins than ever before it's been the talk of kind of the Premier League this season. Whereas last year, it felt like we were just people getting past the death. It's amazing how things change and evolve, really. I mean, Sid, right back at the start of your career, like how was it coming through as a young player?

27:53Was it the emphasis on ball retention or getting the ball forward early? Like how was it for you when you were coming through the system? well I think exactly the same as you I think for the definitely the our youth team days but then more so our when we started out as professionals and Chris you would have seen this as well watching Watford everyone everyone was 4-4-2 wasn't they everyone was 4-4-2 and then you occasionally may have played in Europe and then teams would dominate sort of the ball and they might play a three in midfield as well with a different kind of formation so you'd always come away from them sort of European games going oh wow but you know how different is that but everyone was very much right we'll go long we'll go direct we've got two strikers up it was always up get on the second balls get the ball wide crosses up back through crosses get in the box try and you know get a goal so that was literally everyone's kind of style of play and then everyone then started again this was the top coaches that was coming in changing it and having different tactical analysis and looking at games different.

29:02And then everyone started to play this ticky-tacky football. And then now it's gone the other way again. I'm just, literally, as you said there, the long throws are back, the more long direct passes. And this probably correlates with the game against the Liverpool Man United game. Arna Slott come out and said that Man United are a long ball team. You know, we couldn't score today because they was a defensive block and they're a long ball team. So I'm just waiting for it now for someone to go too up top again. And then, you know, then it is literally a whole new revival. But I think it's great.

29:38No, there's a neutral. I'm loving it now. It's throwing chaos into games. It's throwing different... Van Dijk is like, he looks like a bit of a different player because people are adjusting to it. So yeah, long may it continue. Yeah, I think it goes right back to... I remember, was it John Childs kind of, you know, was kind of in charge of tactics in the FA. He was seen as very progressive, like back in the day. And when you look at it, it very much set the tone for English football in general, really. I remember reading a book about John Childs and his ideas and his ideology of football. And it's very much like the position of maximum opportunity.

30:20It was very much about getting the ball in the box. he was kind of ahead of his time in some ways but then very behind the times in others if you look at the way football certainly played now playing out from the back and passing techniques like his philosophy was the stats don't lie that most goals are scored within two or three passes you get the ball into the box you have obviously more chance of scoring that's where the kind of long throw comes in defenders were very much you know in a four the fullbacks didn't get forward um you know they were they were very much like we stop what what's coming uh the midfield was often bypassed kind of non-existent and i think that's where kind of the box-to-box midfielder comes from because you know defensively you're on you're on one box the long ball goes forward you're you know if you've got a good engine you can get out from the big center forward you know crosses coming into the box and if you think about English football that was the DNA that was literally the DNA certainly from like the Wimbledon days very very direct football but I think even the English national team really you know was a direct approach of course you had talented players but if you think about the people of the managers at that time who were successful who were around the England squad, Howard Wilkinson, you know, certainly with the 21s, I played under him, really, really direct.

31:50Graham Taylor around that time was very, very direct. And obviously Guardiola, I think probably came to this country and certainly other managers, progressive managers before that. I remember Glenn Hoddle at Chelsea, you know, he was playing with a sweeper and he was trying to play out from the back and And I remember him bringing in Rude Hullet and he got Rude Hullet to do it. And I spoke to Glenn about this recently and he was like, well, we tried to get Rude to do it, but he had one split. And he said, in all honesty, that the other defenders I had were, you know, Frank Sinclair, Erlen Johnson, kind of Michael Dubry.

32:23And I said, I'm asking Rude to go out and kind of play out from the back, but he didn't really have anyone to kind of bounce it off or play with, you know? So then it becomes, right, well, you have to kind of revert to this long ball tactic, get this game. I think we've proven that a mixture of it or a blend of this is the best football you can play When you say the changing face of football and you mentioned Pep there what leads that change do you think? And is it the case really that the so-called bigger teams in the league or the team that was most successful the season before have the biggest influence on the rest of the teams in that league?

33:08I.e. when Pep comes in and City start sort of adopting this relatively new system in terms of the Premier League, does that then force other teams to kind of take it on? I just think that everyone kind of evolves with whoever the best team is out there. Do you know, like when Spain and Barcelona were playing almost like with the false nine and the way they were passing the ball, it was absolutely incredible. But then, you know, I watched it filter down. That was a good thing. But my frustration comes when I'm watching players who can't play, who aren't good enough to pass the ball, passing the ball out and making mistakes and conceding goals.

33:50That's, for me, that's stupidity. You know, if I'm playing with a player who's useless on the ball, I'll pass it to him. And, you know, he's trying to do a Cruyff turn and that's not his skill set. His skill set is to stop and defend and I think you need to get the right personnel to do that and that was my frustration certainly with a lot of Southampton's play last year and I see it everywhere and it is getting better because I think it's waking up to the fact that you are allowed to mix it up. You can go long at times. If people are pressing you, you can go over the press and play from there.

34:27There's nothing wrong with that. But that's tricky on some teams, Crouchy. That's tricky on some teams that say the personnel can't get brought in as easily. So if you've got a system and you're recruiting to a certain system and a way of filling those positions, you almost need, to a certain extent, let's take a sort of lower league team or a championship team that are trying to play a certain way and new managers come in. They're trying to play a certain way. they're playing out from the bat but they've got defenders that aren't capable of doing it and it's an infuriating watch and there's so many football fans who will be listening to this right now who can relate to this situation you are having to to change the type of player that you have playing in your team right and and for a lot of teams that's obviously a lot more tricky time-wise to do that by the time you've switched up your team again the the trend is to play a different way of football and so do some of these teams kind of get caught in the middle by by trying to play in a certain way and keep keep with a certain I don't know if it could even be described as a trend but a way of playing football that a lot of teams are playing football with rather than just doubling down on what they do and waiting for it to become effective again yeah yeah I think you're right you look at clubs like Swansea for instance they had a DNA of like we're going to just pass teams to death possession based so you can go back to like Brendan Rodgers was there Graham Potter was there Martinez was there it was all like managers that fitted the club's model whereas I think now with football it has gone so heavily stats based that's why Brentford have been doing long throws all of last season as well they were launching balls in the box but I think now clubs are looking at everyone's stats and everyone's goals going, right, from long throws now you've got a 60 % chance of scoring so why don't we do it?

36:30And I think players, you've got the analysis guys, they're taking that now to the managers in the meetings saying let's try this. If we've got a 60 % chance of scoring a goal from a long throw why are we not doing that? Why are we going to be the ones that just go short so then keep the ball and play? So that's why I think now more clubs are doing it because the numbers literally back it up. Yeah. Did it used to be more like that, boys? Did it used to be more about a club DNA rather than a manager's DNA? The frustration for me on this DNA chat does me in because I'm like, for me, the best managers, best coaches have to be adaptable to the situations they're in, right?

37:16Like this DNA thing, Like I've heard, you hear it at West Ham about, you know, you have to have flair players or Tottenham. Tottenham, you know, it's all about, you know, beautiful football. No, no, it's about what you've got in the dressing room at this precise moment. You look at the team and I think the best managers look at that team and go, right, this might not be necessarily the way that I believe, you know, is my ideal philosophy. But I look at the players and I think, right, this is better. So I think there was an issue with Ange Postacoglu at Night in the Forest, right? I just think they were so good at what they did last year.

37:54And most of what they did was they were banked up. And the two outlets were Alanga and Callum Hudson-Odoi. And the minute they broke, they broke with tremendous pace. They had Wood who was on fire as well. Morgan Gibbs-White was backing it up with his pace. And then all of a sudden, you go to a kind of wing-back system. you've got three you know in central midfield Gibbs White kind of behind the lone striker but there's no the width is coming from the fullbacks but if they're getting pegged back by a winger you know then there's no real width there's no ability to get out and that's the reason why I think it was one goal in five Premier League matches under Ange Pog and it was because they got so far away from what they were doing I think if I'm a manager and listen there's far better managers than me but I just think the best managers I've worked for, they go into this and they just go, what have I got?

38:48Harry read that for me. Like, yeah, he might not be maybe as tactical as someone like a Guardiola or a Rafa Benitez. But he goes in there and he goes, right, what have I got to work with? I think he could manage in the conference South or he could manage a Champions League team. He genuinely could because he just adapts to exactly what he's got. He's not going to play the same football at Dagenham Redbridge as he's going to play at Spurs in the Champions League. But I think you get the maximum out of those teams by just being pragmatic enough and kind of honest and humble enough to go, these players can't do that.

39:30They need to do this. And I think there's so much to be said for that. And it's all coming in with this philosophy. It's like, it does frustrate me because I'm like, yeah, we all want to play that way. You know, we do, right? But it's players in, in the conference now, they want to play like Guardiola. But they look around the dressing room and go, fuck it, there's no chance. There's no way we could do that. And they've got to work. They've got a budget to bring players in. So you've got to work with what you've got. And that, for me, is a good manager. Yeah. But the mad thing is, right, and we would have experienced this.

40:04Like you go into an old Sam Allardyce Bolton, right, where you know straight away, okay, and we've all heard the terms, oh, you've got to earn the right to play, earn the right to play. Then teams, right, like a Bolton or a Stoke, even before you went to Stoke, they were just going to get the ball at the back. They were going to go long and direct with a bit of quality up to Kevin Davis. He was going to flick it on or hold it. He had people like Kevin Nolan in and around him and they wore teams down. You know, they was like, can they get a goal? Can they get a second? Like if they go two new up, you see the opposition's shoulders sort of like just go, we're done for.

40:39then they start getting the ball down and then they start playing and we had that at Stoke Stoke we obviously had good footballing players as well Crouchy but at the start I remember John Walters saying a kickoff once let's put it straight from that fullback I want it to go as high as you can from the kickoff and because I'm going to come and I'm going to absolutely steam and put one right on him to let him know that he's in for 90 minutes today do you remember that? do you remember? like that was that was the philosophy like that's what it's all about and then it all went very much the same and everyone weren't enjoying the football whereas now it's come back a bit everyone's like god this is different I think everyone's loving it Yeah you know like the amount of grief that I think Sam Allardyce has got over the years a lot of his stuff was very progressive he was ahead of his time on all the stats I think he was the first to wear the kind of GPS units the tracking units he was obviously very much on the position of maximum opportunity, getting the ball into the box, long throws, but he built around that structure.

41:41You knew you had like two, I remember at the time I played against Zat Knight and Gary Cahill, right? Two animals, hated playing against them. Absolutely hated them. They had two fullbacks, horrible, you know? And then you'd have, you'd have kind of one dog in midfield, but you'd still have JJ Okocha, you might have Djukaiyev, you know, these little like flair players. I remember there's a little Greek fella. I can't remember his surname now but you had a little Greek fellow who was a flying machine on the wing you had players in and around it like you say Kev Nolan picking up the scraps and Kevin Davis was probably the most underrated player in the Premier League era genuinely I think I know he got recognised with an England cap at the end probably wasn't quite at that level but he he was if you speak to Rio or speak to any centre-halves right playing against Kevin Davis it'd be the same you'd get the same kind of problem as you would if you faced Aguero because he'd just be he's not going to score anywhere near as good as many goals as Aguero he's not going to get as many plaudits he doesn't do as much of the nice stuff but fucking hell if he asked the centre-halves it'd be just as hard because it's just 90 minutes non-stop and you can't switch off for a minute he was an animal Kevin Davis Was he allowed to be an animal because there wasn't an over analysis on on his role or the data points from it?

43:09Do you think players have lost the freedom to be able to just play without any limits? Well, I do. I do worry like a lot of a lot of the players now do worry about their stats. You know, you see them, you know, they're kind of worried about their stats on FIFA. they're worried about the stats assist wise about tracking back running, tackles there's a thirst for it, the players want it which is a good thing of course but there are certain players that kind of play without stats aren't they I think Luka Modric is probably the most famous for it, he's not going to score you 25 goals a season, he's not going to get you 25 assists a season but what he will do is conduct the play he'll he'll manoeuvre a game and make sure that he's bossing the game and he's a very valued player.

44:04But I don't know if it's over-romanticising the issue, but when you talk about Wimbledon, those sort of times, there was something amazing about how you could go out and target a player, absolutely destroy them. no obviously no VAR but also just maybe the game has adapted now to a to a different I don't know a different personality I guess because players aren't able to go and do that sort of thing anymore there isn't just accountability and stats there there's cameras everywhere I think obviously we're kind of going almost pro long ball now but genuinely that's not how I feel at all like watching someone pass out from the back is actually nothing better if you ever see the goalkeeper like you sucker you know the defenders on the wingers on and you've got the ability and the confidence to pop it out to the left back who pops it into a deep line midfielder you've taken two or three players out of a pitch you know play it into a front run set it back, you know, get it out wide, play little triangles, get out of holes and get out of gaps and, and maneuver players into positions they don't want to go in.

45:20So you basically create the overload where you've got three players against two in, in, in a certain area. That is the philosophy of, you know, passing good fast passing football. And I totally, I totally get that, but you've got to have the players to do that. And not everyone has. So even the evolution of like center halves, like back in the day, you'd have a few like that could probably get the ball out and that was comfortable enough to dribble out and, you know, weave their way and break in lines. You know, there was very much the old centre half was just head it, you know, defend first, feed the fullbacks, feed the wingers.

45:55Whereas then you had like the Urios, Jonathan Woodgate, players like that. Then I think that's the same now. I think like everyone loves to see it. We're not saying that we want to see just, you know, going long direct. Everyone still wants to see a John Stones get on the ball and fucking like weave his way and can have a little mazy run and and get on the end of stuff you know you know when I was when I was a kid like you know my my dad was kind of ahead of the the curve I felt you know with like regards to my development as a player um you know I I went to I'm in the game to Brentford and there was a guy there at the time you might know him Sidg Barry Quinn he was um again I thought very, very forward thinking.

46:40And I used to train at Felton on, I say, a Tuesday, Thursday night. And he was very much about all the players at 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 years old. It's a ball each. Everyone's a ball each, Tuesdays and Thursdays. And it was all ball manipulation, touch, control, skills, very little team games. And I felt that was very forward thinking, especially at a club like Brentford at that time. This is not the Brentford we see now. This was Division III Brentford. you know, Division II Brentford. And he was still doing that with the young kids. And I think, you know, people like that and coaches like that deserve a tremendous amount of respect.

47:16That was Barry Quinn at Brentford. And then my dad got me into Corva, which was, you know Corva, Sid, right? And this was all the same thing. Obviously, it was a Dutch guy. I think it was Veal, Corva, and someone else might have been another English guy as well who started the whole concept. But I used to go on residential trips and you'd have a tick list, right? A sheet. And you'd basically tick off all the skills that you nailed in that week. And they'd be like, they'd call them all players' names. So I always remember, just going back a bit, but there was a Lipp Barsky. There was a Van Basten.

47:55There was a Maradona. There was a Beckenbauer. And a Cruyff, obviously, yeah. Then, you know, there'd be like a Ronaldo or something, you know, a Brazilian Ronaldo. it'd be it was stuff that we were learning and basically you had to just learn so I'll go right today's the lip baski I remember always remember the lip baski it was like a touch like a feint and then a push the other way you have to you had to do it on both feet so it's a touch touch on the top of the ball to the side outside that foot touch on to that way and then that way so if you just keep doing it non-stop until you got it like you keep doing this like maneuver with your feet all the time and then by the end the coach goes right you've got the Lebowski down and I'd just go home and you'd be so proud of just ticking your little box Lebowski down right honestly and then it'd be like the Van Basten and the Van Basten was basically a step over but you'd have to do it both ways right so I'd do a step over like that then I'd do a step over like that and I'd just consistently do it and we'd be doing it this is what we're working on there's a group of 15 lads all doing step overs until Until the coach finally goes, do you know what?

49:03You've got that. And then in the games, you take it into the games and you'd get like bonus points, right? So if I use a Lip Barsky in a game situation or I use a Van Basten in a game situation, you get extra points. So you'd get like some sort of, you know, you'd get a Mars bar from a tuck shop or something like that. You'd get a reward for using it, taking what you've learned and putting it into the game. And I think it's so incredible, like how beneficial that is to young players. And, you know, if anyone's kind of listening to this now, like that for me made me the player I was. Like I was tall, but I had the ability to do things that maybe other tall players couldn't do.

49:48And that just came from my grounding from those kind of courses and Barry Quinn at Brentford. This is brilliant. This is brilliant. I remember going on a summer holiday football course and they did a similar thing with, um, we were doing, it was a whole session. I'm saying it was an hour of doing the Michael Owen, you know, where you would not sell Dubai. I mean, like you would, you do that little Argentina, you know, move it to the right and then other court and you would just, just that little movement to the right. And we did it over and over again. I think this idea of ticking off certain players is just such a brilliant homework that we should be giving people on this podcast.

50:33I think Crouchy, you should film it in on holiday or in your garden or whatever it is. And then everyone on the pod spends a week just nailing the one name that you say. I think this is such, it's such a good way of doing football and it's so fun. That's what I mean. I just think like now, if you're like, certainly if you're even a dad as well, like just being able to do that and uh you know make it fun but just just consistently have a ball at your feet like that's what i was that's certainly what i did as a kid and i'd be like i'd always have a little ball always all times and i'd have this corva kind of method in my in my head at all times so i i might be dribbling around the kitchen and you see a chair and you just do a quick vambastan you'll do the little basket i do a little cruif and then you know i'll pull out of I remember there's another one.

51:24I'm trying to think who the player was. But it was basically like a drag back. But it was a drag back to the right, drag back to the left, drag back to the right, drag back to the left. You do 10, 15 minutes of that every single day around the kitchen, it helps. It helps. And you've got it in your head. We've got to make this happen. You're so right. And you can do this to your missus. You can do it. Anyone can be a defender, can't they? Your flatmate, whatever it is. This is so good. What do we need, Crouchy, from a practical point of view here? what can I what can I go away and try do we need mini Peter Crouch footballs or something like for around the house you know the soft ones or what do we need here do you know what I'm going to do I'm going to actually I try and set this up I think I'm going to go and speak to some of the guys at Corva I know they still do it and I think you know that was something so amazingly beneficial for me and we could kind of adapt something and make it you know a bit more for the podcast as well we can get it out there and you know We might even get our first international.

52:24We never know. Off the back of the podcast from learning these moves. Oh, I love it. Brilliant. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. The thing about this, Chris, like obviously the state of the game, obviously I'm passionate about. I've always loved football. But like that development thing, I can't stress how fucking, how much that kind of means to me. Like how beneficial it was for me. I wouldn't be the player I was. So you kind of want to get it out there and just go to, you know, like, try and listen to that and try and it's all about just consistently having a ball around you. And then all the other attributes, you know, like physical attributes, tactical elements, they all come in.

53:05They all come in later. You don't need them. You don't need them until you're 14. You know, I know I know that the game's evolved and players are playing a lot more kind of games football now. but I just think having a ball on your own at all times and doing these things is just so beneficial.

53:27I love the visualisation of it. When you're saying that about having a ball indoors, just a little mini ball, imagine that just at breakfast time or dinner time in your own household if you've got siblings and you've got your mum or your dad or whoever's doing the dinner and they're taking one bit to the table and you just popping around just like with a ball, just little drag backs here and there and left foot, right foot go around the table. I think this is what we do. I think this is our HelloFresh. I think what we do is we offer the opportunity where you pay a five or something like that. We send out a little Peter Crouch podcast football that you use around the house.

54:07We upload a different skill every week to whatever we need and OnlyFans or something, and then you go away and practice that and then come back to it. It could be great. I like it a lot. I like that a lot. I'll pop out in the garden, just film it, and then we'll just upload it and that'll be skill of the week. Skill of the week. Peter Crouch's soccer school. It's on. We've got to send out some little footballs though or allow people to chip in a bit. I think then we could do it all. Also, what you've blown my mind here, and it's such an obvious thing, but I've never really thought about it, is we did those things whenever you did the football summer schools and you would imitate your favourite player and those famous sort of bits of skill when you practice them.

54:58I've never really thought about actual footballers doing that as well I've never thought about the idea that when you are scoring a goal or when you're playing you're imagining or using those little moments that you know that we all know yeah but like that it still happens at a professional level like Sid to tell you when we saw Cristiano Ronaldo score that goal against Portsmouth the free kick where it was like the up and down the dip the strike of the valve or whatever it is everyone in professional football was trying that the next day. You know what I mean? Like, when I saw, I remember seeing Brazilian Ronaldo do the flip-flap and I think that was the first time I would ever seen it.

55:37I might have seen Ronaldinho do it, but Ronaldo, original Ronaldo, was the best at it. It was just a little flip-flap. I was like, oh my fucking God. Like, you know, I think I was playing in the youth team at the time or might have been at Portsmouth. I was trying that the next day. Like, you're never old enough, are you? You're never too old to learn these things. I've seen some stuff recently that has blown my mind on Instagram Abby showed it to me last night and I was trying to recreate it

56:09Do you know what? It's a real powerful tool right? Because I was doing for any of our listeners that are coaches okay? Any standard old or young if you can get if you can get them visualising so I done this when I was coaching at Brighton with the youngsters now we was doing a passing session once okay? And it was a long it was long long passing long range passing I was saying right how would Steven Gerrard do his pass from A to B and there would be it would it be a lace would it be like a drilled across yeah it would how would Ryan Giggs do it it would be more of a cultured sort of floated curve left foot and you can get them like visualising how these players who they know you know what I mean would do it and then they they take it on themselves rather than just going right here or to get the ball and try and lace one down do you know what I mean rather than them seeing it it's so powerful visualising the player but have you done that?

56:58Have you boys done that with the actual player? Like you speak of Gerald, like it's mad that you boys actually were playing with and had access to like free kick practice with Beckham. Yeah, I definitely like with Bex, I definitely asked him a few times like, cause I noticed that he was kind of like leaning right on his left foot. Like almost like it was, he was leaning on the right side of his foot, like so much. It's like he's almost fell over. And I was like, is that a conscious thing? And he said, that's something that's just developed over time. Like, because he needs to get that much whip on it, his whole body is almost falling over.

57:37Like, it just falls to one side. All the weight's kind of on the left foot to get that kind of whip on it. And the same with Gerard. I remember Gerard and Alonso used to do that, you know, the bog standard one where you pass it into your mate, he sets it, and you fizz one out wide, and then you both get in the box, right? that I mean you know people do that Sunday league right we used to do it every day in training but I watched if Xabi and Stevie were partners and Sid will know this because he he could do it the daisy car like the the worm burner right so the ball's pissed in and Alonso not like you know he's just slapping them out there I think there's a video of him actually is it by Leverkusen by Leverkusen training.

58:26What I saw, I was seeing that first hand in his prime and watching him and Gerrard hitting these fucking daisy cutters out to the wingers. But when I'm saying that pinging, like that winger and I always remember that, say we got Pennant on one side, might be Steve Finn and might be John Arnaresa and Harry Kuhl on the other, right? They're slapping these balls out to them and if the control's not there, they're getting a death stare from Ratuna Fielders. like the little death stare and if like the fuck are we working with and honestly then you'd have a little touch and then you'd go and finish but yeah just asking him about even the technique of the strike like where they were hitting it you know because quite often like yeah I could strike it get it out there but sometimes it'd lift up just above the knee I'm talking about that one Sid you were very good at it to be fair that one that you you'd fizz out just below the knee yeah bring back the daisy cutter bring back the fizz but you're saying it's conceivable there was a point when you were playing with Gerrard where you were pretending to be Gerrard.

59:30Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say, yeah. I might do that when I'm, you know, I'm playing on the reserves on Wednesday night and, you know, me and Darren Potter and Neil Merrill are doing the same thing as pretending to be Stevie. I've really enjoyed today. It's very good. No, it's been a good one. I've enjoyed it. I've got myself on the beers, lads. You're ready to cock off. Look, Crouchy's ready. He's on holiday mode. Go on, enjoy it alright lads yeah I really did enjoy that I felt like I got a lot off my chest there all we need now is just to bring back the two strikers and we're done listen let's be honest there is a there is a place for get it in the fucking mixer let's not let's not let's not get away from that obviously it's nice to be technical it's nice to be a passing team but there is a there is a time and a place for get it in the fucking mixer so let's see what they're about coach coach Crouch here we come well this is it that's now launched that's a thing amazing adaptable adaptable

1:00:34well I really enjoyed that pod lads I got quite passionate about it I do feel quite passionate about that kind of definitely the younger player development because it's just helped me so much I always get a little bit into it because it did help me you know a great deal and especially when we're talking about the kind of more direct passes long balls throw-ins and that when you watch the weekend we've just watched there Spurs had three-headed goals set pieces Brentford scoring from a long throw-in it was still very much evident wasn't it? Yeah I think it was great insight mate obviously I've known you for a long long time but just on that skills one the stuff that you were doing was superb and I think on the whole as well football doesn't change it just goes round in circles doesn't it it just goes round in phases and fads and when corners were a massive thing years and years ago and long balls then it went a different way and now it's gone back so yeah I think football always evolves and it's entertaining I'm all for it I love it But then I guess what you're also saying Crouchy is you're basically saying a long throw will always be valuable in this game but its value probably increases at certain points.

1:01:54In which case, if you are a kid listening to this right now, get working on your long throw. I want to go out into the park near my house here and see kids just practicing long throws over and over. Do you know when I was thinking about it, you know when the kicker comes on in the NFL, you're going to potentially get this fellow with massive arms just to come on the pitch, just the 12th man, just to come on in a tracksuit and just fucking launch one into the box. And then he just goes back and sits back down on the bench again. Could happen. That's what we need to get to, I think. All right, shall we do some messages?

1:02:31Let's do it. This is from Charlie on Insta. He says, for the next pod. Hi, mate, going back on your discussion about the What3Words app. Quite interesting to see that What3Words location of Back Stronger Podcast actually exists in Ukraine. there is also a location in Australia with the location Swell Crouch Stark no way very apt for this very apt for this podcast need need to do some work now regards to your family uh oh that's a location in Canada too regards yours and family there you go so you see boys I got you onto this what three words I think it's called that. But, you know, the fact that any location in the world can get pinpointed with three words.

1:03:22And now we've got people typing in podcast words. Brilliant, brilliant idea. It also potentially is another reason for us to do a road trip. We could put in some of these different terms and travel to the places where they are. This one in Australia. I mean, if you do live near Swell Crouch Stark, we'd love a picture. and again this one in Canada if you put it in if you live in Canada could you put in regards yours and family and if you lived there could you take a picture of where you are I'd love to see these I really would great shout brilliant Crouchy Bonfire Spuds and one ball pull on the topic of throwing things on the latest pod great story from a few years back me and two friends were just finishing off a night out in Cardiff around 2015 and we had just got some food and we were walking to the taxi rank where we bumped into Craig Bellamy just getting in a taxi.

1:04:19Me being a Liverpool fan, I stopped him and I asked for a photo. He obliged. Me and my friends couldn't decide who was getting their phones out to take the photo. Bellamy was getting annoyed as he had a bird waiting in a taxi for him. My friend Charlie, the one who didn't care about getting a photo, pulled his phone out. Craig Bellamy took the phone out of his hand and we thought, oh great he's going to take a selfie not quite he took the phone and he threw it behind his head miles in the air and it came crashing down on the pavement he got in the cab and he drove off me and my other friend Elliot were in tears Bellamy went up in my estimations that night what a legend brilliant brilliant does that sound true?

1:05:07it does it does sound very true It sounds like a Bella's thing. I've got an amazing taxi story involving Craig Bellamy as well. But I'll tell you another time. Oh, no. You can't do that. Actually, none of it was Craig Bellamy's fault. That's a disclaimer. It was actually my mate who caused the problem. but Craig Bellamy was there and saw it unfolded in front of him very funny it was Craig Bellamy needs to be on this podcast before too long he's had far too many mentions I like Bellamy a lot I have to say yeah and that that does sound like something that could have happened 100 % and send us your interactions with footballers as well because they're always funny to hear the idea that he's he's got impatient and just launched a phone in the air and better still, the lads love him more for it.

1:06:08It's just a wonderful situation all around. Phenomenal, that really is. Okay, one one from Sam here. He said, I hope you're well won, Paul. I'm watching the episode today and I've scratched and I've searched your guy's name. The name Tancock has historical roots in England. Remember Tancock? We were discussing this. well we were saying how does this name come about you know sidwell would have been born out of you know two phrases or a local town or something like that there's a reason behind the name of places and people and we did throw out there didn't we we said if anyone can can actually give us because we i think made up our own stories about how he's ended up with the name tan cock but it sounds to me you're about to give the the the proper reason yeah well his historical roots are in England, particularly south-western regions such as Cornwall and Devon, is believed to be a patronymic surname derived from the medieval given name Tank.

1:07:09Patronymic obviously meaning coming from your father, something that's coming to my mind, even though Russia just Googled it one second ago, which itself may have originated from the old French name Tancredi meaning thoughtful counsel see if Tancoc can get you some points regards regards your families that's really interesting very interesting yeah so nothing to do with some sort of I don't know sunburned penis it's not it's not you know I just assumed it was someone who had a kind of different shade of penis to the rest of his body I just thought it was someone that liked sunbathing naked, maybe as well.

1:07:56We have another, there's a counter, Tancoc here, meaning, this says, morning one dangler, regards to the family, and a little history on Tancoc. I believe it derives from Scotland, where Scottish fighters would lift up their kilts and flash their English, flash the English before battle. I'm going to go with that one. That's a very different story then. I'm going to go with that one. That makes more sense to me. Yeah. I'd like it to involve the cock in some way

1:08:28good I think that's enough podcast for one day is it I think we should finish on that Chris it's been a delight seeing you in all those positions I haven't seen some of those positions in years so that's been really I will be back stronger for the next episode bless him I'll have Martin here he's got a bit to do but it's not his fault and apologies to the guys making this podcast they were like oh yeah if you can just set your laptop up somewhere that looks good you know sort of in the background so it sort of engages people a bit more but I don't know I think we've done our bit I think we have I think it's really oh he's really engaging just a quick one before we finish Chris obviously the reason the reason we couldn't get in that room is because you were doing it up I noticed on the last podcast what I didn't notice actually when we were recording you had all the different colours by the light switch of which colour you were going to go for.

1:09:23And we were inundated with messages to find out which colour you went for. I don't know. Truth be told, I don't know. I'll have to ask my wife. So I'll ask my wife and let you know. Please do, Chris, because actually, if you wouldn't mind, if she hasn't decided, we could actually put three colours that you put down and put it in perhaps an Instagram post and let the nation of this podcast decide the colour that that room's going to be. I love this idea because it's creative and also I think would therefore make the room tax deductible because it's talked about on the podcast, which would be...

1:10:06Yeah. I'm not... I don't know. I don't know. Truth be told, I don't know what to do here. I'm all up for the paint situation going to the podcast, but I don't know if I trust the audience of this podcast enough to be given colour advice to this room. Before I know it, my room will be tan cock. A lovely shade of tan cock, and I'll have to explain that to my missus. You know, it's tricky. I just think there's so much good could come out of this, because there might not even be a tan cock colour out there. and if you are Crown Paints or you know someone who wants to get in touch Farrow Farrow and Ball yeah Farrow and Ball Farrow and Ball Farrow and Ball Farrow and Ball it's got to happen please we need a paint company immediately to allow us to make some paints it'd be great fantastic I just think we just have one colour Tancock and that can be your room be the first of its kind oh mate but okay I'm going to throw this back rather than okay that that's a deal if we can come up with a paint for this podcast and it's a tan cock or some other some other podcasting that we can think of and one of the big guns will will genuinely stock it and make it available to the point where anyone who listens to this podcast can paint their room tan cock or whatever it is let's i'm in but i think it needs to be an all or nothing and Sid's got a new gaff as well.

1:11:42He can get involved. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just think we could, not only we could create our own colour, our own colour scheme, our own paint. And if tank hockey is a problem for Farrow and Womble, maybe tank or something like that. Tank, we all know what it means. You know, it's all good. It's all good. Really good. We need a paint supplier. Paint suppliers, please. Please get in touch. get a tank I could spray it up the wall great I've just done that thing again look did you see it did you see it why won't it work for me though this is a new computer how about this one does it come off if you do yay Yay!