Graham Stack Tells His INSANE Stories, Footballer Boxing & Behind the Scenes Invincibles Bust-Ups!

0:00Chris Stark: Hello and welcome to that Peter Crouch podcast with me Peter Crouch, Notorious S.I.D. and Chris Stark with me. We've got a great guest on today, you know, friend of the pod. Great to have him one as always, looking forward to that. That's him now actually. But while Ross answers the phone to our guest, we've got new muffs, big muffs. And I know you're into big muffs Sid. Listen, as long as they're trimmed and they're manicured and maintained. beautifully done I've been in this profession for quite a long time now I've never seen such a big muff really? when we tasked the guys with bespoke that Peter Crouch podcast muffs I was not expecting this big and this green has it made you alter the way you hold it?

0:46maybe it's just a mouthful of it isn't it it's unbelievable

0:50Chris Stark: my face on a muff is just brilliant I love it it's proper 80s though isn't it look at this something else it is how long we give him before one of these curl off yeah yeah well I hope we've got some spares I highly doubt we have but at the moment they look great do you think Graham Stack has seen a muff like this before yeah there's no doubt okay we're all done with the muff chat yeah yeah okay well interesting weekend I thought across the football I mean what have you been up to guys I've seen you're in festivals consistently they no it's just heading towards the end of the summer and so a few little DJ gigs and things like that but it looks like it's going off wherever you are man you know we've seen you on the wheels of steel at the Isle of Wight festival when you were you know how to get a place started we need to go again with some sort of Isle of Wight Glastonbury city well it won't be Glastonbury next year we talked about this but maybe I don't know Isle of Wight might well be the Isle of Wight mightn't it something like that in time with the football next year World Cup I don't like this time of year because it feels like you get the last drops of summer you know and i don't know people were already firing up the christmas chat i saw the snowman you know you know the snowman uh tv show the instagram account for the snowman's doing a countdown to christmas it's all just it's all a bit pumpkin spiced for me it's nothing against you said it's all a bit ginger and tell what it is that's that's gingerism but i don't mean it like that i just mean it's it's autumnal colors isn't it i think it's coming early isn't it now I think it comes that last week of August.

2:27Chris Stark: We're still like, you know, I'm still wearing a T-shirt. I'm hot enough at the moment. Yeah. We're all good. I love going to watch the football at the moment when it's, you know, you're outside and you're warm and it's like Maidenhead, sadly relegated last season. But it does mean you can now have a beer on the side of the pitch. You was there on the weekend? Yeah. So the fences have come down there. Have they? Yeah, the fences. So you can have a beer? Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. You don't need the periscope? No. so everyone's just going mad it's like yeah we don't need the periscope anymore I noticed on one of your stories the assistant referee with what were they?

3:01oh my god like it was a bizarre shoe situation wasn't like a boot wasn't an astroturf was a a hybrid? it was a kind of hybrid slip-on situation just have a look at what assistant referees are wearing on their feet at the moment just have a little look because there's wild stuff going on out there other stuff I've seen this week though in crazy, crazy news. Considering what we talked about in the last podcast, did you see the stadium announcer who got booked? Got a yellow card just after we talked about it. James Conn.

3:32Chris Stark: You can't book a stadium announcer. I don't think you can book anyone who's not a player or manager. Really? What does it matter? Like seriously, if I'm selling hot dogs and I tell the ref to fuck off and he gives me a yellow, I'd still be selling hot dogs next week, won't I? Yeah, well, if he gives you a red, who's going to take you up the stadium? your card system has no authority here outside of the football jurisdiction I've always thought it's mad when the manager gets a booking it's weirder than when someone on the bench like a gobby assistant or free kick coach gets a yellow but at least they're in vaguely the vicinity of the football but where do they start?

4:12Are referees carding people out and about traffic wardens, things like that what did he do to deserve that? did you find out apparently yeah

4:20Chris Stark: apparently I think the other team coming off and he was he was giving them stick on the stadium announce with the mic and I don't think that was probably so when we get booked and we've said this before on the pod it's the same fine as if you get booked in the Premier League as if you do in the National League or non-league I think it used to be eight quid didn't it then it went up to twelve it might be maybe inflation it might be twenty he hasn't got to pay that fine surely the stadium announcer I imagine he does I don't know okay but as you say you can't book say the catering person can you it's just no it doesn't make any sense another thing that sprung to light is what we talked about again was you know we talked about the American eyes in the game and firing you know hot dogs and you know corn dogs and firing t-shirts into the thing I noticed Leicester the city were firing t-shirts into the crowd and exactly what I said would happen people would throw them back at them were they yeah like I do I don't think that happened this weekend it was a it was a historical one but um but yeah we are trying it trying to bring it in aren't we we're trying to bring it in like that um but you are right we do talk about these things in the podcast and there seems to always be something that happens that that weekend that matches um one i want to get your uh you two's opinions on everyone's opinion actually um getting booked whilst we're talking about bookings um the lad who got booked for his celebration it was Mateta oh yes he kicks the corner flag every week doesn't he does it every week but now he's got to book him for it so did you say you came in here you said Cole Palmer had said something he's tweeted or put on Instagram or something like that he's said the game's gone the equivalent of woke nonsense basically kind of is though isn't it I think I think you said it Chris actually if you score a goal you should be allowed to do what you like just obviously within reason yeah you know not something ridiculous but I think what is that is that violent conduct is that I think it could be a term of aggressiveness to that corner flag I mean like there's kicking the corner flag and then there's like really booting the corner flag so where Rooney would box the corner flag Tim Cale done that didn't they yeah Tim Cale yeah yeah I mean I've already two footed the corner flag and snapped it in half yeah I mean I think people when they score and if like if let's say they've scored a tap in and the ball like ricochets back out than it.

6:46Some players have got it and smashed the ball in the crowd. Smashing the crowd, yeah. Just like, go on, fuck off, have it. But I think you should, I think if you're celebrating, that's fine, as long as you're celebrating. So you're thinking, as long as you're celebrating a goal, you can do whatever you want. I think you should be able to pick up the corner flag and javelin it across the goal. You can do whatever you want.

7:04Chris Stark: No, I agree. I agree with that. You're meant to go mental for 20 seconds. Everyone enjoys that, don't you? Do you remember Tamiri Kitspire? Did he get a yellow for that? That was the funniest. He did get a yellow for that, didn't he shirt off boot in the he's trying to take his boots off as well and socks do you remember that yeah he's lost the plot he lost the plot shirt off kicked the advertising warnings a few times then boots off then he was trying to take I'm sure he was trying to take his socks off but this is the madness of the game if we're going to go down this route and you start getting bookings for that then VAR is going to start getting involved in these decisions as well so it's going to be like no but Sid it is VAR for the goal and then for the celebration it's like we're gonna have to have another look at this did he make contact with the corner flag because if you're gonna if you're gonna get done for kicking it surely brushing past it i know i know this is really pedantic right well that's how it's going that is how it's going but that's what if you're gonna book for contact with the flag i don't know the full story here i assume it's like an aggressive but then how do you come back on that on var or when that needs to get looked at that's what i worry about i just think we're making too many extra rules punishing too many things i thought you should be allowed to take your shirt off but for whatever reason that can't happen but then are we var ring you know was that a touch of skin my issue with the shirt off situation is after the game you can take your shirt off but during the game you you can't but i'm still after the game if i was playing against you and i came up to you and i headbutted you i would still i'd get a booking well i'd probably get a red for that after 90 minutes the card system stays in black what I'm saying is the shirt situation from 89 to 90 when the full whistle's gone exactly is shirt off book in and then finish the match shirt off touch one it's the same people as seeing the shirtless man yeah or everyone probably more so because if he scored and he's taking his shirt off at the end of the game to swap the camera's on him for ages I don't want it to just be a moany thing it's just I'm just saying a bit like what we said with AI let's keep an eye on it because before too long, you'll be drawing the lines on people to work out if the shirt is lifted.

9:13I think you could do a PowerPoint presentation here to the relevant people. Peter and I don't know. Exactly. And just go, listen, scoring a goal is an out-of-body experience. Look at my celebration that you've done, your first one with the... It's Manchester City. Yeah.

9:30Chris Stark: Yeah, for Portsmouth. And just go, look, this is what it does to people. Sheer joy. You're right. The way that the game's going, especially on this weekend, because they are coming to a lot of hate didn't they ruling out Mateta's thing that he does yeah players need to make a stand on it like do does every footballer this weekend go and kick the corner flag what in imagine that imagine if there was a stance yeah we're all doing it there's players in whatsapp groups and everything up and down the country they're just like listen if you bag today go and kick a corner flag or even if you don't just kick it actually no because we're saying it's when you celebrate yeah every player who scores in the Premier League this weekend actually let's support up and down the country imagine the Premier League let's take it you're right if you score celebrate in solidarity with Mateta with Mateta we stand with Mateta we stand with Mateta we kick with Mateta alright Jers one story actually from the summer you know we're not quite over summer yet are we the kids well they are back in school now but I actually played golf with with Ashley Cole and Alan Shearer and someone asked for a photo of myself Alan and Ashley on the course or just after we were in the bar having a few beers and we had a we had a photo with this guy and he said he was his little boy and he said I can't believe I've had a photo with with England's greatest centre forward England's greatest left back and Peter Crouch

11:08Chris Stark: wow I swear to you I went you fucker absolutely killed how did he say how'd did he say he knew what he was saying oh yeah he buzzed off it absolutely buzzed off it England's greatest ever centre forward England's greatest ever left back and Peter Crouch

11:27Chris Stark: I thought fair play to him that's a good photo fair play to him yeah it's kind of true though no I know I know it's one but I liked it it was good love that how was the golf yeah it was a good day actually great day played well played well that day yeah actually did play well you never see those videos of you though do you no you don't see them do you know what this is exactly right Chris I play well and people film it go fuck that's not going to get any views we need to plant one of the lads from the podcast please hit that down the middle well that's what we need to do we need to plant one of the lads film you and then release it as if it's like sly taken from a bar.

12:03Chris Stark: Yeah, like, I'll just get one of the boys down here and just, yeah, like as if, boy, he looks shit. Oh, the commentary. Look how good he is, brilliant. And then, yeah, the lads on the terrace, they're having a discussion. God, he's good, isn't he? But it's you and Sid. That's a great swing, that is. Like, page you all. What a great swing.

12:29Chris Stark: we are back we are back we are back we're back in the Chamba one bar it's good to be back and Sid you had a you had a great weekend obviously the games were Liverpool Arsenal which was 1-0 Chelsea Fulham and Manchester United scraped one at Burnley you know at home but yeah Sid you got the three points got a correct result not correct score in every game they said Liverpool Chelsea and Manchester United which in hindsight was probably the right call considering Chelsea Fulham annoyed me though that goal that got ruled out for the Fulham yeah that's poor that was well it's obvious that he was turning wasn't it you know like you say that but it is but then what idiot is sitting there going that's a foul I just think if you've got possession of the ball and you you turn and stand on someone try and stand on someone's foot and then continue with the turn that's just part of the game well it's just not meant it you're allowed to touch other players aren't you it's not an aggressive act and obviously it was a great goal as well it was a great goal and also the other thing sorry it's a bit moany so far but it's I don't like the VAR goes that far back I don't see what that's got to do I agree I get it for offside like the very last move I get checking that but then what's to say that that VAR check doesn't then affect a goal in the future do you see what I mean yeah yeah yeah anyway same discussion but really annoying and Marco Silva there he looked pissed off didn't he what is that like you know when you feel like you've faced an injustice and you come in at half time have you been in situations where that say galvanises your team or is it just like I don't know just like hard to get over I've been in situations where he just fucking wrangles with you, doesn't it?

14:22Chris Stark: You're just like, you can't get it out of your head. Yeah, well, especially after as well, because they'd all go in the dressing room and then you'll have all the analysis guys in there with their laptops and iPads and they'd be like, look, everyone would have been crowding round and looking at the dislayer goal, then the one in the second half with the four different separate incidences and they could have easily picked one of them out of it as well and it'd be like, that's a disgrace. How has that happened? I heard Michael Silver after as well and he was saying, you know, the eight minutes they added on, he said, in those eight minutes, I think it was held up there was no stoppages whatsoever and then they went on to like 11 didn't they is that right and that's when they scored and that's when they scored well that's frustrating yeah just a quick one on the Liverpool Arsenal game did we watch it yes did we watch it what a goal what a goal what a goal but I don't want to go back on but I wasn't entertained no you weren't entertained no I know what you mean no seriously it was a bit you hoped for a bit more from it yeah I just thought it would build up to be a good one I thought there'd be loads of goals as well you know like it just yeah it wasn't meant to be there wasn't a great deal of goal malfunction really was there no no you know great but what a goal that was a unbelievable goal yeah I mean that's outrageous did you not think it was just a little too far away yeah but he's got that technique isn't he like the slap with the dip he's got Gareth Bale Ronaldo they've got that in the locker that kind of free kick he's got that Keeper could have done more No No No it was off the post He dives Have you seen it In slow motion Oh if they had a steel shot Of Rea He is literally Square Full stretch Diving I mean whether he's dived A bit too late I don't know But yeah And he was outside the post As well So he's give it He's give it his all But Fair play to Liverpool Yeah Yeah Big marker down Big marker This ref cam thing's funky Isn't it Well it was good It's got a great shot the free kick didn't it yeah yeah yeah i suppose is there audio on that or is it just think it's is it just well i assume it records audio as well i assume i'm not enjoying this talking to the um the stadium by the way i do not i can all i can think is john anderson gladiators every time they do it yeah there's this horrible pause for a second whilst they wait and then i think city did you say it in the last pod where you're like they're a bit nervous but but too right why should you would be.

16:48Chris Stark: Yeah. We're not public speakers, are they? Referees. Joe, I don't like about it as well. I think at the end, I don't quote me on this, what they say. And is it the ref's final decision is, and it's like, well, it's not because you've had to go to. Well, also it's opening, it's opening up more problems because the ref explaining it to the crowd, the words they use can be different. So going back to say the Fulham goal that was disallowed, I think the ref described it as a careless act, whereas it wasn't necessarily careless, was it? It was intended in what he was done. It was just whether that was fair or not.

17:26So it's just the power of words and how it's explained is going to be an interesting dimension to all of this. Again, it feels like overcomplicating the refereeing side of the game.

17:37Chris Stark: Okay, so the league as it stands is Christian 2 at the moment, Sids 4 and Pete 5. Just a quick one as well. obviously we'll be down this weekend won't we at for the forfeit at Farnham Town the game's been announced against Schoeling and yeah I love the full match experience so get yourself down there everyone make sure get down there or don't no everyone get down there as your dad come in I thought it'd be a proud moment for his to see his little boy running out and leading the team essentially yeah like hold his hand on the way into the ground he'll want to take a photo I'm bringing the whole gang are you really you're going to come down make a whole day of it the boys are coming I was meant to be working and I've just gone can't come in I told my little boy I was going to be a mascot he refused can I be a mascot it's my special day son alright this is my day don't you ruin it I'm looking forward to it I am I am looking forward to it I'm very excited I've never been there before no we played there we've done a little charity not charity game but a little game between the golfers and the caddies good club yeah it's nice great good club okay the next part of the podcast is supported by Paddy Power the big weekend fixture is of course it's the World Cup qualifiers this weekend it's not it's not Premier League we never know where we are on this one but England are playing Andorra this is a big weekend fixture England are 1 to 100 so a tenner gets you£10 10p back bearing in mind if you if you back Andorra a 10 will get you 710 pounds back it's 70 to 1 70 to 1 45 to 1 for a draw listen I've played against Andorra 70 to 1 I've scored a few goals against Andorra in fact I think I scored 22 goals for England and I think 21 of them against Andorra

19:36a 70 to 1 though well listen like the famous phrase goes so you're telling me there's a chance yes

19:43Chris Stark: yeah like I say I played against Andorra when I played against Andorra they didn't get over the half they didn't want to get over the halfway line they basically just packed midfield didn't have anyone up front and when they got to the halfway line they just passed it into nobody what into their into our half just to no one yeah so like they came for a draw they played like kind of quite nicely and then they really obviously they said the midfielder was the furthest forward and he's facing the goal they had no one to pass to and he thought he'd just give it back to us so it's like basically like the 89th minute when you're protecting a leader you just launch it yeah like that that was in the first half for a minute one yeah and I was like oh my god it is ridiculous don't you think yeah playing these kind of games I saw a mad take in the week it was I can't remember some other podcast but did you see someone suggesting that Tommy Tuchel as I call him sometimes would would take the United job would leave England to go to United.

20:41Now. That's what they were suggesting. Which obviously I think is ridiculous for a number of contractual reasons, things like that, but...

20:49Chris Stark: I heard the same thing. Yeah. Really? What? Would he... Would he... If Amorin got sacked, would he take the Man United job before the World Cup? No, I can't see it. Even though he was on a short-term England contract. You can't do it. But if you're going to have an opportunity to... What, to go and manage Man United? To manage Man United. What, over England? No, I'm not saying... It's German shithousery. German shithousery for the World Cup. Well, I can see the page you're reading off now. Remember that, you know, we talked about this. Yeah. If it did happen. Okay. Obviously, you know, very small chance.

21:31That would be wild, wouldn't it? Pretty mad. Well, this is wild. World Cup qualifiers. World Cup is next year

21:37Chris Stark: yeah yes yeah bit mad okay what do we think give me a give me a scoreline okay have you put this out there yeah remind me of the extra point situation four or above four and a half four and a half so you need 3-2-4-1 would have been a four point yeah okay this week these games are hard to predict so part of me is thinking do I just go all in to try and get the big big scores oh did put this on Instagram there were a few replies hello Joe Phelan Josh Lua Rach Moggs Darren Moody he sounds good what's Moody saying Nils De Jong De Jong Waltie let's see what Waltie's saying says looking tanned lads not you sorry Chris regards to you and you're super king oh I'm a new bed a new bed yeah of course oh yeah how is the new bed we can't see you and you're a new super king how is that oh it's a game changer is it is it you're on a cloud at the moment you know then you just like you can't touch her wait it's got a button and the whole bed vibrates it was it was it was meant to be a massage but you press it really oh my god who requested that I don't know I just saw it it was kinky that's not kinky you're kinky what am I right in bed he's not kinky that is kinky as fuck you and your super king that's awesome he goes anyway Woltie's gone 3-0 3-0 England oh I can see something like that the question is do you see Andorra scoring that's the question no I don't what do you want have you got a score do you want me to give you one go on you go 3-0 No, I knew you was going to say that.

23:36Me and Waltie go way back. So I want to go four, four nil. You won't go four. But then I kind of think might as well go five at that point.

23:48Chris Stark: Gets you that extra point, doesn't it? It does, doesn't it? Go on, I'll go five. Surely there's only one option. I don't know if this might be a two nil. Two nil. Two or four, isn't it? Four gets you nothing. then two is more likely, isn't it? You'd imagine at some stage it will be 2-0. Yeah. I would go for 2-0. Okay. Boo. Go for 2-0. Okay. 2-3-4, was it? So 2-3-5. 2-3-5. Okay, we do have the Paddy's boost. We each pick a leg of the CrouchPod bet builder. The odds on that bet builder will then be boosted by 20 % and put on Paddy Power's special section of the website and app. I'm going to go with a player to score first Harry Kane okay a player to be carded I will go for Declan Rice sorry Declan okay I've got a player to have two plus shots on target I'm going to go Jude Bellingham I like that as a bet builder I'm a fan of it odds are correct at time recording please gamble responsibly moving on to Germany versus Northern Ireland we do struggle on these notoriously I don't know how much you've seen of Northern Ireland recently.

24:58I was going to say, I've seen zero of both.

25:01Chris Stark: Yeah, Germany participating in the UEFA Nations League finals. Group A is just a four-team group with a delayed start. Germany opened the group against Slovakia and I'd expect to have no issues in qualifying for the World Cup. You would have thought. They have never failed to qualify for a World Cup. No, it's good that, isn't it? That is good. I don't know. I don't know about this one. Yeah, Northern Ireland have had a poor start to the year. They were winless in three friendlies, but they did win their last game. It was a friendly against Iceland. I'm interested to see Walter Mard, you know, Walter Mard.

25:37Chris Stark: Am I saying that right? The striker. Yeah, I watched a lot of him in the 21s, you know. But he's a player. Like, he's not, he's six foot six, but he can play. Obviously, Newcastle just signed him. I like him a lot. I think it'd be interesting. Look at the names there. They've got some, they've got a squad of players, haven't they? Yeah. I think they're too strong for Northern Ireland well yeah you would expect so alright then give us some predictions so the last time they played was in 2019 and Germany won 6-1 yes I don't think it'd be as much as that ok I'll dive in first I'll go with let's go with 3-0 3-0 to Germany 4-1 Germany I'll go 3-1 Germany right final one is Denmark Scotland interesting year for Steve Clarksman suffered relegation from UEFA Nations League A lost the play after Greece even after winning the first leg away from home they obviously lost their friendly and beat Lichtenstein yeah they're not having a great time up there Scottish football in general and I haven't seen much of Denmark still think Denmark have got decent players yeah this is in Denmark what's the what's the the crowd saying most people are going Denmark by the looks of it to be fair potential goals in this though if if we're going if we're going by Instagram but I think I'm going to go I think I'm going to do a 2-1 Denmark I'm going to rob that off Nico who's just DM'd me Crenshaw it's not Crenshaw sadly do you ever hear from him I've spoken to Nico for a while, no.

27:26Chris Stark: That would be a good reunion. Great guy though. Yeah. I'd like to get back together with the Croatians. I'd actually love a night with them. Yeah. Good lads. Croatia podcast special. Yeah. Modric, Crenshaw, Czorluka. Imagine that. I'd like to get those three on the pod. Charlie. Yeah. Charlie. Charlie. That was a big name. Yeah. Good lads. Okay, go on. You can go next. Okay, I'm going to go one all. Oh, yeah. I'm going to go the Scots are going to dig in here and get a draw. Brave hearted out. Okay, one all, two one.

28:02Okay, I'm going to go with a Denmark 3-1.

28:06Chris Stark: Right, ladies and gentlemen, someone who needs no introduction, Mr Graham Stack.

28:15Chris Stark: Right, pleased to welcome Mr Graham Stack. How are you, mate? Very good, thank you. Yeah, good. I don't want to call you like a guest. I feel like you're more than that to us on the pod here. I'm going to call you a co-host today. Very kind. How are you? I'm very good, mate. So I see the jumper. I'm going to get straight into it because you're doing something big at the moment. Yes, I am. Bigger than I first expected, I think. When I sort of set out with the idea of putting something on, there was a number of factors. So initially, I was speaking to quite a few ex-players and stuff. That's what I've played with, played against.

28:49And in passing conversation, whether it's bumping into players at games or over the phone or wherever that might be, I felt like there was a constant sort of void or sort of a space where these lads were sort of struggling in. And it's somewhere I've kind of been before. I wouldn't say it had a great effect on me, but I certainly was conscious that you do find yourself, you know, trying to constantly find, reinvent yourself, finding things to do, whether that's work or whether that's a sport or whatever that might be. And sort of the whole idea of trying to get people together was like the charity football matches is kind of saying that's been done and seen quite a lot still brilliant at what what they do and the money they raise i just felt like it never really made a dent i've played in bundles um and i thought how can we get x players together what can we do golf days i thought yeah that's kind of been done um and i thought how about if i could get 10 ex-footballers to fight in a ring in five bouts three two-minute rounds um at an unbelievable venue which i think would be a really unique concept and really capture um what i would call sort of our audience you know sort of young middle-aged people love their sport love their football with a boxing crossover some big personalities i thought that would go really well and then I thought how can I add to it how can I improve it so I thought what about the entertainment side of it you know who can I get involved?

30:18Crouch. I thought if I can get some you know like Crouchy um you know Ray Parler big characters Paul Mercer, Neil Ruddock um I thought blimey that's a good list. This is why we wanted to shine a bit of a light on it on this podcast because it's a fantastic event it's a fantastic cause which you know we should talk about a little bit yeah um but how graham stack is this night sounding do you know what i mean it is the stacky difference as i understand it anyway that instead of getting footballers playing football just get them to batter each other yeah i know that yeah another big old party afterwards oh the party's gonna be mental yeah that's one thing i am looking forward to but even like the venue itself is probably like arguably if not the best venue in london yeah if not the country i mean the great room holds over a thousand people um it's just it's unreal i've been there for a few events in the past it's the grove grove yeah yeah the grove house park lane that's what they do i swear it's like the baftas and stuff like that they do the pfl awards the trick awards they're there it's huge they've done some biggins i'll tell you what like we went there on friday to do a content day so me darren barker leon mckenzie leroy lee uh david noble and marvin elliott i wanted the lads to see because we've done like a walkthrough so are these going to be fighting they're three of the fighters yeah are you fighting do you know

31:41Chris Stark: bizarrely you asked me to attend you didn't ask me to fight I'm happy with that you did ask me to fight when you first brought this up what was your reaction he said it's not for me he said it's not for me it's not for me I said I'll help you in the other way he did to be fair but listen And one thing I will say, listen, I've got the utmost respect for boxers, full stop. At whatever level, however many people you're competing in front of or fighting in front of, whether that's even just getting down to your local boxing gym and getting in a ring. That's a big ask. I mean, I've done it in the past and it does take some bottle to get in there.

32:20Now, let alone when it's not your trade or you've got no experience in it previously. So you're completely at your comfort zone. But one thing I will say, having spoke to people, they say it's the most fulfilling experience you'll ever experience when you come out of that ring. I mean, we're getting a walk-on music ready for the boys and all that. We've got a bongo player. We've got a saxophone player. I was really going to try. It's going to be a party, full stop. So can you confirm at all at the moment players that are taking part? Are you releasing that yet or not really? Yeah, we'll be releasing it this week.

32:53I'll just hit you with a few, for example. So Jodie Morris, David Bentley. Paddy Kenny, Lee Trundle, Curtis Davis. Okay, wow. I believe you're them. Anany Gardner. Yeah. And there's a few others.

33:05Chris Stark: And you're going to pair them against each other? You're going to try to weight categories? Yeah, so they'll be matched up on weight. Look, they're all inexperienced, so the experience sort of goes out the window. So I think they'll be on a fairly even level playing field. The weight is obviously a contributing factor, but at the same time, they're six weeks out from camp. The camp starts today. Now, in two months' time, Paddy could lose a stone. you know, someone else. You can also put on a stone. I put on three stones. I put on a stone. So you just don't know the up. But we've got like the, we have got like the official weigh-in on the 2nd of October at the Grosvenor, which is like an open press day.

33:47And I really want to try and create a Sky Sports, you know, media day where there's a bit of a Q &A, you know, posing questions to the boxers and some of the trainers that were going to be there on the day. I want it to be real. I'm getting robes made up for all the boys. I actually have got, I did, I have got one. I didn't bring it, but it's got the tassels on it. It's white and gold. It's got like... I wore one, yeah. Is there that?

34:11Chris Stark: Have we got that? This fella's, this fella's got a robe. Oh, yeah. I wore it at Crouchfest. Oh, I love it. That's a belt. But the same people that do, Andy Joshua's do the proper ones. I think I use a company called Boxfit, to be fair, but they've been brilliant. And we've got the gloves. So everything's thought of. every little bit of detail. Yeah, I really have. Yeah, I mean, I'm not getting up at night. I'm on the phone and I'm putting notes in. So you're doing it all properly. It's a matter of time. Do you want to explain sort of the driving force behind why you're doing this? Yeah, so obviously, I mentioned briefly about trying to reconnect to ex-players and trying to give them a platform to sort of do good, really.

34:46Look, training for six weeks is going to help them improve their mental health and their physical health, which is brilliant. Giving them some structure and some stability. but also giving them a chance to sort of reconnect with ex-athletes on the night and have that camaraderie. You know, when they're going to train, a six-week training camp, they're going to be in a gym. They'll be in the local community as well. So I think that's also a good thing when ex-football players are seen boxing out at local gyms. I think it's going to be brilliant. And then we've got like professional trainers like Dave Caldwell, Enzo Macronelli, Darren Barker, James DeGale.

35:20They're all supporting us in Kevin Mitchell. They're all going to take a fighter at some point along their journey so we'll probably see the start of the camp when they're like look like a mess and then they've got a six pack hopefully by the end of it so that was that was one that was one of the main reasons was obviously thinking about the players the next reason was is obviously all about the charities and all about the fundraising I've said it I've said it in the past with stuff in terms of raising money I think when you play football a lot of us have done some brilliant stuff I know you've said he'd done a marathon and coaching like you've done loads of stuff so i mean that's brilliant but i mean i've done stuff in the past and i i haven't got the sort of the background that the two boys have to be able to go and raise tens of thousands so this was how i thought i could raise a serious amount of money um i thought about this very carefully in terms of who i was going to raise money for um now willow foundation is obviously one that's extremely close to my heart uh bob lost his daughter when she was 31 so a rare form of cancer um he then set up willow and bob wilson was the one that basically spotted me for arsenal give gave me my opportunity so um having thought about and having been in and around the people at willow i just felt as i was a brilliant fit for what i'm doing and a real big opportunity for me to try and to give something back to them and then sort of more locally um there's a charity called play skill um who i've been to see the kids a number of times been in a ball pool like a bulls phone at me my boy Alfie come with me the other day because they're obviously on half term you know they're trying to raise money for equipment for days out to help staff for travel transport um you know it's it's not going to be hundreds of thousands for them but whatever they get is just going to make a big big difference to the kids they look after uh sporting mind is a mental health charity based in reading i thought it was so important that i could that i could sort of collaborate with a mental health charity that was aligned with what I'm trying to do so it's improving people's mental health through sport which with a boxing event is something that I think fits in and Helping Hands is a charity I was there based upon a hospital I was there on I think Friday of last week I've been there again a couple of times I bring my daughter the last time I went and the reason I bring my kids I think it's important that they see and I think it sort of makes them realize that there obviously there's a lot a lot of kids and a lot of people less fortunate than what we are um so i thought that was always nice to take them and they've got a room there so it's only a small breakout room and it's to help kids um with their chemotherapy now they've only got one electric chair and ideally they need three it's not very private so they want some petition walls they want to be able to deliver oxygen and any tanks to be put on the wall and stuff like that so you know the idea is if i can get 40 50k for them they can completely transform that room um and then obviously after October I want to go back and I want to see the progress that these charities have made um and listen this is not this is not this is not me yes I've you know come up with this unique concept to put it together but I have had so much help from other people to get me this far ex-players friends of mine um that have given me an opportunity to get this out there and I think now we're sort of six weeks out it's dawning it's very very exciting um and I'm enjoying it but obviously it can be stressful you've taken on it it's a big old event you've taken on a lot to make it happen so well done yeah and it's testament i suppose to you as well

38:45Chris Stark: like that's amazing you thought about the charities obviously really carefully they're all really close to your heart obviously the bob wilson one especially you know you must be um you know obviously good friends with bob and he must have helped you a lot but also it's a testament to your character that all these players want to come out and and and of course do it for the charity but do it for you personally you know because you're good friends of yours and they want to help you out. Yeah, well I couldn't do it without them. I mean, I've asked a lot of people, ex-players, that I thought might be keen on doing it.

39:13And if it's not this time for them, it might be that, they might see the reaction it's had with some of the other players and they might say to me, look, Stachy, I'd love to get involved. Put me down for the next one. And even now, I'm already thinking about what's going to be next and I'm hoping to do one in Liverpool or Manchester in June and get 10 Northern-based fighters and then we'll have the best of the Northern boys against the best of the Southern boys back at the Gravener in October. and I'm by no means trying to be a Frank Warren or an Eddie Hearn here I'm just trying to you know people you are people have already called it on they've already said to me like you're trying to be a boxing promoter I'm not I'm just trying to promote you know a lot of good stuff and this is the only way I can do it so this night it's the 18th of October 18th of October it's the Grosvenor House Hotel Park Lane yeah okay it's Pro Project Promotions and it's a night to remember yeah so what we're going to do we're going to put some links up, lads.

40:04Click the link wherever it is, all here and stuff. All on social media. There's tables for sales. There are different packages. So people can go on and just pick what they want. Yeah. We've also got Alfie Boe performing with his band. And we've got Colin Francis, Brandon Block, and Alex P, DJ. So it's a proper night. So it will be, yeah, it will be a good one. It's until two. I have tried to extend the licence to five, but they wouldn't have it. You'll find somewhere. I'll find somewhere. Again, the stacky difference.

40:33Chris Stark: Yeah, you've got Parlamers and Ruddock. You've got to come up with some questions. I don't know what you're going to ask them, Brent. Oh, my God. I don't think you'll have to ask them much. I think they'll probably just take over anyway. Let me tell you now, I've got so many questions for them. Yeah, I can imagine. I'll bet, yeah. But four England internationals in a ring. Yeah. That's never been done. Surely that's never. Four internationals in a boxing ring. Four top internationals, by the way, and top characters. It'll be funny. It won't be a bore fest. What is the best fight you've seen? Teammates or changing room?

41:10I've seen some good ones over the years.

41:12Chris Stark: I mean, obviously, you know, there was one in Belgium that you were involved in. It was Belgium, wasn't it? It was Belgium, yeah. Got player of the year for it. Did you get player of the year for that? You got player of the year just for that. I thought, yeah, you were there. You had just left, hadn't you? I left, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because it was Halsey. Halsey actually was in the cast, wasn't he? Yeah. Do you remember? Yeah. So, yeah, we were playing the game and it was obviously our local rivals playing more and as well. Do you remember playing in pre-season first? Do you remember playing them?

41:38So imagine... Oh, yeah. So when I was there, we played a pre-season game. We was at Beveren and it was Loughran. Yeah, that's right. And what was the equivalent of it like here? It was like... It was a proper one. It was naughty. Yeah, it was a proper one. Imagine... I don't know. Millwall West Ham. Imagine, yeah, imagine... It was a Millwall West Ham. Imagine them playing pre-season at a small venue. Who's come up with that? Honestly. And I walked out and I was like, oh this is tasty and then when I come home and then it come up a few months later on and I'll see this I could see why so the fans run on the pitch yeah fans we were we were we were free one up and I was getting obviously just getting slaughtered with bottles you know like the miniatures filled up with whatever whatever there was loads of different items I've just slung a couple back we were free one up there was about I thought it was about a minute to go so I thought I'll do it I waited until right towards the end of the game thinking like I'm throwing back now and I'll be down the tunnel before you know it and then well it was just this old guy on the gate and I thought that's a steel gate they can't get through it and they've come through it come on the pitch started swinging some aim makers and whatever else and they've not they've not hit me and then I've just clumped I think I've just kicked one of them clumped the other one he must have been paralytic though because I don't really think I've caught him that well and it's just I think it's just sort of like half grazed him and then he's gone on the ground but I mean after that Horsey Johnles who was playing he had his leg in a cast and he's flown over the barrister he's flown over the actual like the the boardings and all that to come over he's like running on the pitch to come and help me out he's obviously one of my teammates from Arsenal who's on home with me who's also in that case but then after that it blew up I mean I was I was on like talk shows over there yeah I was on like images of the year in the paper and I did my drink over there I swear to you I did that take to me I woke up the next day there was an Ireland flag draped over my door there was a pair of boxing gloves on my just tied to my door because I was living in an apartment.

43:31I didn't, I swear to you now, I barely bought a drink after that, which is probably a bad thing actually because I probably would have stayed in the house a lot more. But no, it was an unbelievable experience and one, obviously, yeah, the relationship I had with the fans and the club was, yeah, it was unreal.

43:45Chris Stark: Oh yeah. Did you, have you, have you been in any fast-ups in, like, with teammates? Yeah, we spoke about a few, didn't we? I had one with Nicky Shawry and then we had Takash. You personally? That's mad though because you were involved in that. Were you there every time? He was in training, yeah, he was there. So what happened you had a punch-up with Nicky Shorey? Yeah, basically, yeah. But they were so tight though, Crouchy. They were like best muckers and you lived... He was next door. Yeah, that's insane. He's not like loud, Nicky Shorey, is he? No, Joey was. He's only 5 '2". No, no, no. What are you doing?

44:14No. It was that way. Joey, it all comes from that 5'. You know what, they're 5 '0". That happens on a Friday. It always gets heated, doesn't it? The last day, everyone gets a bit horny. And our team was popping it around. We were 5 '0 up. and he was like I must have been in goal for the other two it comes to me I flicked it around the corner he's come in and took me out I've got up because I was leaving on a free as well and he knew I weren't being careful but I was like it's a little bit naughty and then he's sort of like gone what and then which I thought oh it's all a bit of seconds and I'll just put my nose on his head you headbutted put my nose on his head did you actually headbutt oh yeah caught him bad did you yeah and then he swung and then he caught me and then everyone got involved and then we got sent in and the gaffer was like, boys, what the hell?

45:01Did we win on a Saturday? Yeah, of course we did. Yeah, we lost through that season, so we must have. And then we got in the car, she had home, and then we got in the car, literally, we stopped off at the pub and then had a pint and that was it. And the next morning, like as if nothing's happened. Wow. There's loads,

45:14Chris Stark: you'd have seen loads. Oh yeah. Were you in the gesture room at Stoke when it kicked off? Obviously, I think I've told this story before but I never told it, I never said the names, probably shouldn't, you know. Is this the... It's half-time, by the way, Premier League game. Someone's come over and he starts hitting it. And then the other lad is just studding him in his neck. Stud marks all over his chest, remember? Yeah. And then we went out and it was after the game. It was totally fine. I think that's that era at that moment, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, I think we were sort of a little bit different back then.

45:49I've got to say, I think things have definitely changed now. If you had an argument with someone in the chamber, they wouldn't talk to you for a season. like I've kind of yeah I've kind of been there I've seen I remember there was one at Arsenal with Thierry and Loren and Thierry wanted to kill him and it was all because Loren didn't cut it back no really yeah Loren shot on a really tight angle and Thierry standing in a realistic shard box and because Loren didn't cut it back thought he could score Thierry wanted to take his head off yeah because I think that was kind of why he was one of the best in the world because that was his mentality just wanted to score yeah that was that season I actually got a funny feeling it was against Spurs I can't remember but I think it was a big game

46:23Chris Stark: games but oh we weren't in training it was actually that was in a game oh yeah and what did he did he do on the pitch or did he carry it on yeah that's the only professional thing about it i think he waited till we got down the tunnel and got in the chain room but i just remember being in the chain room and i was just thinking i didn't know what it was about and then i've obviously caught on and realized that that was that's what it was all about but again after the game big cuddles and like that like that's the question what's that whose side was arson on i don't think arson got too involved to be honest with you I think he's like I think he kind of lets the players deal with things like that I think that's what it was like because he knew there were so many leaders in it do you remember Lee Dixon's one with Dennis yeah I remember that that was a naughty one yeah was it well it wasn't naughty it was like it was like yeah Dennis Dennis has got Dennis has got that nasty strength oh yeah I remember that where he used to just clip people's Achilles all the time yeah I think yeah there was a few I'd see him do a couple of goalies to be fair you know like the late one like go pretend like try and take to pass the goalie but just like stab him in the end leave it in yeah but yeah it ain't a classic but it was just like that was one of the first ones I see in the first team punch up or like you couldn't really class it they was throwing sort of handbags yeah yeah handbags but it was the only ones who was like I think it was because it was Dennis Burkham yeah you know because he's such a genius you're not expecting him to be out of fancy a scrap which is probably you know you shouldn't judge by his cover I suppose but yeah I think it was just a surprise it was him yeah Yeah, yeah.

47:51Chris Stark: I had, that reminds me of one, we were, do you know on a Friday you do set pieces and the team that aren't playing, they don't really, you basically, it's an unwritten rule, it's like don't try too hard, you know, we're the team, just kind of let us do it and then we all go in early, right? That's exactly right. So if you let us, you know, if you're trying too hard and we don't score, then we're all going to be out all day. So anyway, Philip Walshide was a German centre-half we had and anyway, he's fucking roughing me up and I'm going, Phil, calm down. I said this is Friday we've got a game tomorrow I said just can't mate he's all over me like as if it's like his life depends on me scoring or not I was trying to calm him down anyway it got to the point where I've just got so angry and I've ended up with scrapping with falling to the floor then I've come right the next one he's getting it right and then I've ended up I think elbowing him and then he's turned to me and then because it's not really my nature right I've got I've clenched my fist but I've kind of kind of got like gives me face here right I've got this right I've got this right and I've got so angry I've just pushed his face with my fist right that's how far I got anyway that was literally it anyway he's gone I've been assaulted started going mad about it everyone's kicking off and he's walked in he's gone this is a disgrace because he's English that's what he said because he's English he gets away with it anyway we all got back in the in the drens for him Arthur and a couple of lads and one I think it might be John Waters or Robert Hoof went that's possibly the worst fight I've ever seen in my life I pushed him with my fist it was horrendous and then he went off crying subconsciously you probably didn't want to wait because he was your teammate you just want to warn him but not really flatten him I just got angry and yeah it was possibly the worst fight anyone's ever seen I don't think you get as many as you used to though like I've been certainly coming sort of you probably get more as you start coming down the leagues I think like as you start getting down to your league twos league national leagues and all that because I think they I think they're just more sort of they're not as professional for obvious reasons that's why they're at their level and I think emotions can get out of control and if you're on a clean sheet bonus and it's 300 quid and centre rafts not headed saying from a corner that's giving me the ump that's good you know that can make a big difference to people which is why people can fall out over stuff like people turning up late and I've seen it before in non-league do you do you watch for example the current Arsenal team and find yourself comparing it to how it was for you I wouldn't say I compare it I do watch Arsenal I don't think you can compare it I was asked I'm obviously I'm down on Fozzie's thing and we were talking about talking about goalies and he just said like what are your thoughts on it and all that and I was looking back at it now and I'm comparing goalies now so I'm looking at the top of the goalie the Chelsea goalie and sort of other goalies and I'm looking like looking at where's like Cottoir the Czech Reina Chegiven Larisse like De Gea like I'm going like where like what's happened to the goalies I'm looking across the Premier League I'm looking at like the top six clubs and I'm thinking like Edison's going Fenerbahce like with respect but Fenerbahce they're not a major outfit and I do like I do like Edison and I know they're signing Donnarumma potentially and I know United are just a goalkeeper today but I just don't see I think the level's dropped off massively for goalkeepers obviously coming away from that point but I just think they're now I think they're so robotic now goalkeepers and I think they're so set in that's the instruction that's the pattern that's how we're going to play rather than actually taking a bit of responsibility and going I'll be accountable if I'm going to smash the ball down the length of the pitch I'm going to do it and I think that's why some goal is getting caught out but I mean I watched the Arsenal game yesterday and I said you can't compare but I don't think that team is anywhere close to the one that I was involved in and I don't think you'll get another team be very surprised if you get another Arsenal team as good as that team as long as I'm around.

51:50What was it like away from the pitch? Obviously on the pitch there was no doubt that team was unreal. Like 1-11 and bench as well. But what was it like obviously in the dressing room like day-to-day training ground because... Do you know what? I've been asked that before. It's like it's so hard to explain when you're on a team bus you're going to you're going to Inland you're going to Old Trafford you're going to Anfield you're going to Stamford Bridge and you're looking around you're playing two touches and they're changing them ten minutes before the boys are going out they are having a laugh they're so chilled out flicking each other's ear like you know what I mean it's like I'm looking back and going how were they so relaxed like they actually just had this mentality where it was like we just knew we were going to win every week it was mental it was so it's so hard to put into words it's only looking back it now I'm thinking I don't actually realise how special that was people I was around travelling to these games season deciders massive huge European games Chelsea, Champions League and stuff like that and it was just like the group's mentality was something I don't think I've never been close to being around it ever since and I don't think many players could Arteta said this recently hasn't he he said that the current Arsenal team need to believe that they're going to win and that's maybe what's lacking is that real true belief.

53:17Yeah, there's belief and there's belief. I was walking out of the picture of believing you're going to get a result but there's also belief saying we ain't going to lose a game all season. For me, they're just completely different. I think there's also

53:29Chris Stark: probably a belief in the Arsenal team now and they haven't quite done it now but I think there's borderline arrogance in that invincible team. I mean, the way the players even walked, do you know what I mean? It was like, they're just looking, they just know how good they are. Do you know what I mean? And I think it's a good thing and it worked well. But I think people were scared of them. They'd walk down that tunnel and Patrick Vieira is standing at the front and you've got Dennis Burkham, Thierry Henry, Shaul Campbell. You've got some major leaders in there and I'm thinking that for me is the biggest difference in these modern day teams is they ain't got players like that no more.

54:06There is, but there's a lack of them in my opinion. Like, every great team has great leaders and I think it's few and far between nowadays which I think why there is probably, you know, look at Arsenal group now. There's definitely a few in there, but I just don't think there's the sort of deal that they used to have. How instrumental was Ray Parler in that dressing room? Yeah, do you know what? It's gone on record. A lot of the boys have said, even like Patrick and Terry in that, they said like he was invaluable to that group. Like Ray got it. Like Ray actually got what Arsenal Football Club was all about.

54:41Like Ray, he understood the FA Cup. sort of pre-warned some of the players about you know we're going this is the FA Cup this means everything to the fans respecting it yeah this is not we don't take our foot off the gas and I think Arsene Wenger was was unbelievable for Ray because obviously Ray was going through one or two things and could have easily have maybe changed the team he had selected for certain games but Ray was always Ray was nine times out of ten Ray would start especially in games like that going to Bolton away whether it's going to Leicester wherever that might be Ray would always be one of the first names on that team sheet despite obviously the colour of the players we had in that group because he was because he just got it he was underrated wasn't he very far massively underrated I've always found it amazing

55:31Chris Stark: the fact that you know you're playing with all those kind of Galacticos and obviously Ray was a fantastic player but you think you know like there wasn't many kind of English players that hung around in that and not just hung around made a hugely influential on the pitch and off it, I suppose. Yeah, I think he galvanised the group, but he also added some, he's a funny guy, Ray. I think it was his sense of humour as well. Like he actually... Do you think Wenger Light enjoyed it? He loved it. I think he loved Ray. Yeah, I really do. I think he was kind of like the go-between, a little bit between like, you know, Ray would have a good relationship with Ricey, and Ricey would get, you know, speak to the boss about stuff.

56:07If Ray might be pulling him and say, look, why not to the boys not happy about that? Or do you think we could change this? Or whatever it might be. and I think he was the one that could break the ice. And Martin could do it as well, obviously, because Ray was playing week in, week out. I think probably it was an easy one for Ray. Where was the most

56:24Chris Stark: enjoyable time for you, football-wise? Like, obviously, playing with Stid's at Reading and that was a good group. Yeah, I mean, obviously, yeah, my time at Reading was unreal. I just felt it was a bit unfortunate at Reading. I broke my thumb, didn't I, a week before we played Spurs? Yeah. And then, I wasn't too sure if I was going to start the season because Marcus had a really good previous season but I thought I'd done really well in pre-season to potentially have a chance of starting and then we lost two games all season there and obviously you know won the league set a record got promoted to the Premier League so yeah obviously that was a special season for me I've got to say my season at Millwall where I was on loan I got one of the club player of the year awards played in Europe for Millwall I got away at Ferris Ross and at the Den so I mean I don't think as far as to say as I think I could be the only goalie for a long time to do that for Millwall but do you know what I think the punters got me and I got them a little bit because look I wear my heart on my sleeve as simply as that not the most ability that most goalies I've had there or some of the goalies I've had there in the past but I certainly give them my own and I think they were I think they loved that about me so certainly my season at Millwall I loved I love my I won the National League for Barnet and you know I mean like people think playing in the National League that like And I've played for like seven, eight championship clubs.

57:45But that season was special because of that sense of achievement. And it was going away to Solio, going away to Altrinham, going away to Gateshead. They were Halifax away from home, last minute winners in the pissing rain. It's like that proper, that's what I loved. I loved that, playing with them types of players. And also when you'd done that, all the kids, family was there, weren't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you save a penalty? I saved the last, yeah, it was like the last kick of the game at Underhill. So it was the last ever game at Underhill. I saved an injury time penalty against Wickham.

58:19Won the game 1-0 and that gave us a chance of staying in the football league. And then, unfortunately, we lost to Northampton last day of the season, which had a, yeah, I could go into that game. I get Davies was involved, wasn't he on the day. And we were winning the game and at one point we were potentially staying up and there was no information coming on. And I think Bayonne might have scored that day and someone else scored that day. But yeah, give us a chance. So that's a special moment. But yeah, love my time at Barnett. Love my time at Millwall. I haven't even played in Scotland, playing for Hibs.

58:51I've had three brilliant years up there. Played in Europe for Hibs as well and got to a Scottish Cup final, played at Hamden. So no, I've been fortunate. A lot of clubs I haven't played for enough, haven't played enough games. I've tried to. I've been on the move a bit, but found myself behind some good goalkeepers over the years. So let's get a bit of background. so obviously me and Stachio obviously know each other since we was kids played for Surrey didn't we yeah Surrey's cool you both played central midfield no I played centre half and you played central midfield I did yeah played centre half can you believe that oh really I think I played against you as well Krayt because I played against you at Osterly and I think you played up top and I think I played central midfield but I used to play on pitch in where was it Osterly

59:32Chris Stark: West Middlesex Colts West Middlesex Colts but where did you grow up because you I used to you were always around yes I grew up as a kid I grew up in like Collindale around that way and then I moved over to Twickenham my mum and dad bought a pub like near Twickenham so I played for like Austerley I played for Austerley Park Rangers I played for like Belmont yeah so I used to play against all those yeah West Middlesex Colts I was that's it and obviously we used to play opposite Sky that's it in the Conquest Club yeah that's exactly yeah yeah that's exactly it so yeah played with him played against you both and played out on pitch which was a bit of a crazy one yeah so obviously our youth team was one of the best youth teams Arsenal's probably ever had won everything and we had a good group didn't we everyone like near enough went on and had a career but we had some nutters in that group as well though like if you go there's a few in our youth team so David Bentley in that case yeah you love Bentley don't you Benz is a blinder he's doing your boxing yeah I've just it's funny I said to Benz the other day I said Benz don't you dare let me down I said I've put too much into this I said don't you be like sort of like because he was swerving my texts isn't it and he sent me a picture of him on a yacht I went Stackey he said I'm busy laughing faces I'm thinking Bentley don't you dare let me down I said get yourself in the gym and get yourself off that fucking yacht he said Stackey he said I'll be sweet he said it's all good it's all good so we had Pothroyd yeah we had yeah Nopes do you remember Nopes and Jay had that fight Fulham away Fulham away it was over a peg next to mine wasn't it like someone put a jacket down he threw his over there and he put his on there and it just all kicked off and that was I think we'd done them 5-0 the way after that I think Noob set him up too didn't he Don Givens was like whatever you've just done before make sure you do it again they were scrapping proper scrap before a game proper punch so it's J.B.

1:01:23Chris Stark: Woffroy and David Noble David Noble yeah and they're both game isn't they we was only 16 17 must have been yeah so we we went on our I was back in the Burkham one put it up how was it Crouch Walshide was it like that we went on our first boys holiday didn't we like you went the year before but I'll come to you boys the year after because you was the year above me yeah was it my beef up no no it was Inappa the first one I might have seen you boys out there that was after so we played at Barcelona for their centenary year and I think that was the first time I'd probably witnessed this lunatic where he's dived at someone's feet the fella's gone through on goal well he's just dived at someone's feet and when I mean he sliced his ear off is it your your from there all the way around to the back it was hanging off wasn't it his ear was hanging off right literally just by a flap right you didn't carry on you had to come off I played on for about 10 minutes I think yeah you had to come off blood was going everywhere so anyway we done the game went over to the new camp watched the first team well they bring me well they bring me didn't they so they bring me so the mini new camp is here we've got the main new camp next door and they bring me through to see the club doctor.

1:02:37So I was in the changing room in the new camp where they've got the chapel and all that. So because it was a centennial game there was a load of superstars playing for Barcelona. So I'm like, I'm walked in, I'm going, that's Patrick Clive. And then I see the ball and then I see like Ruud Hesman, like Hullet and Ryzer going. I'm going, it's the best thing they've ever happened to me. Slides in your ear. I'm like, this is blinding. So they've sat me down and I've got them steezed up. I've not felt my thing because I'm just running on such a high just like a huge adrenaline um and then we um we all the players were invited out to the um to the stadium after one day so we were on the pitch and they were obviously celebrating massive like fire huge fireworks display weren't they and i always thought it's mad because i thought someone gave me a top like i thought it was the board that gave me a top i said it to you the other day i said i had this thought the other day because i thought someone gave me something and i thought because i was a goalie like why i don't really want the boss top or something i I thought I gave it to you, but he gave it to you, didn't he?

1:03:34he gave it to me, Yeah, so someone must have given me something, and I've given it to someone else, you know, like feeling sorry for me, because I've seen this 16-year-old, like goalie, with his ear hanging off, so I think there was a bit of like, yeah, it was nice, yeah, whoever gave me something, it was nice of them to come in, but what a, yeah, what a day that was. We still went out that night as well, like obviously the doctors have gone, chill out. Without his ear? Yeah, we still went out that night, obviously the doctors have gone, obviously you need to rest this and like tablets for the pain.

1:03:57He's going, yeah, all right. Literally gone back there. Right, who's out? That was a similar start. What about, we'll tell the lads about the story in Sweden. So when we're in the pre-season tour. So we've gone, so this is at Reading, right? So we've gone pre-season tour. We are in... We just got promoted to the Premier League, I think. Yeah, it wasn't Stockholm, was it? We was in... No, it was. No, Gothenburg. Because it was European Games. The European Games was on. So we've gone out on night out. So we just got promoted, gone pre-season. and Gaffers give us like a night out so we've gone out and we were mob-handed the whole squad 22 of us got to his not got nowhere organised nothing got to a place nah no chance not coming in like one of the top clubs in Gothenburg so we've gone away now you know like when everyone's where you're lingering on the street and he's like getting a bit embarrassing he's gone just give him one minute so he's gone over to the fella and he's like talking to the fella and he's come back he's gone right sweet listen we're done we're all good when we got there he said just say we're a part of I don't know some tech firm so basically he's got up there he's talking to the door but he's looking at the clipboard alright so he's seen some company names and times like 25 and then he's walked up he's gone no no sorry there was a mix up it wasn't that and he was like oh yeah come in come in yeah we've all gone into this club he hasn't told us so we're like he's pulled like strings yeah unbelievable and uh yeah so we've all gone into this nightclub one of the best nights from you ever had that tech firm had a shocker they've been turned down to the door 20 minutes later Jeff Bezos was having a tour at that time yeah I think because we've gone in and I think that was the first night but I've done a bit of shopping because I knew there was going to be a night out on the card so I've just gone down this local ice street bought a few bits on that so some of the some of the lads stayed some of us stayed later than we should have done I think it was me Leroy and Sonx I think we've got back double late I'm talking like early hours and I said I got back to the hotel and I'm thinking fucking I ain't walking up the stairs before I'm getting a lift songs and leads when I've been taking the stairs so I'm standing there so it must have been six in the morning I'm just coming in we've got training by the way that day and I've opened the lift like looking like an absolute like bag of shit who's come out the lift Steve Copp all together I've got my baked beans on I think I've got like like his shoes on, he knows I've been out.

1:06:23And he said, good night, son. I said, yeah, thanks. He went, don't be late. So I was like, I've come up to the room, I said to Sidney, I said, you ain't going to believe, because we were rooming together. I said, you ain't going to believe my luck. I said, it looks like I'm the only geezer that's been out in the whole group because I've been obviously cool, so more for me. And then, I've gone down to breakfast, weren't late. I trained, and then after training, Kevin Dillon, the assistant, who's pulled Sidney, he said, look he said you need to rein Stacky in he said he needs to know that this is serious and this is pre-season and we're playing we're in the Premier League now and you need to get hold of him I've gone back to the room Siddy went Stacky they're on you I don't think you should go out tonight I said Siddy I'm going shopping I need another shirt I went back out to the town centre didn't I I come back we're going to shopping I was ironing it in the room for the night out of Siddy he was like there's just no helping there's no help He's going out.

1:07:21He's going out. No, I ended up going out with you. There's a few of us that are still down there. I love you. Just don't get caught. That's the thing. Just don't get caught.

1:07:30Chris Stark: Oh, mate. That reminds me. I remember playing for, I think, one of the under-18s or 21s. One particular player, you'd know him. He got caught, but on the way out. So he's getting a cab, and he's literally outside the hotel, in his clobber, and the cab's pulled up. Anyway, the manager was David Platt at the time. David Platt come over and he said to this particular player you either get back in here now your England career's over and your club career will be in jeopardy because I'll be ringing the manager and the particular player just goes we'll talk about this in the morning oh what a legend I want to know what a we'll talk about this in the morning that's quality no it was just not it wasn't an option to like go back it's like oh my god what is going on incredible scenes that's mad yeah so yeah so oh yeah there's loads of stories we've got haven't we obviously when we was at Arsenal when you was obviously selling all the gear out the boot of the car yeah of course yeah that still gets brought up now like the moody the moody jackal Gucci style some of your stories are amazing because I think especially with TikTok I've seen it's almost like they've got a whole new lease of life some of these stories yeah yeah I'm look there's do you know what I've got in my notes on my phone believe it or not I must have 80 different stories because I've been told to put them down and it was actually Ian Wright that told me to write them down.

1:08:55I met Wright at services one night. I was getting something off him to give to a friend of mine as a gift because tragically I lost my mate. So I met him and he was an absolute gentleman and gave me something really special and he just said, I had about six Guinnesses with him to be fair. I started off with cappuccinos and thought I don't think he's going to fancy a beer. He said, do you want a beer? I said, well, you have one. He said, well, I'll have one. All right, lovely. before you know we're like 6th day for the services so you and Ian Wright

1:09:22Chris Stark: 6th day for the services yeah I'd love to see that can you imagine walking into that one what service stage was it we were on the Guinness and that and he was and he said we were talking he was at MK Don's at the time and he said to me he said Stackey he said he said because I was with his boy Bradley he said he said there's all the lads talk about MK Don's on a Monday morning he's like you he said like it's getting out of hand he said like they've got nothing to talk about it's not about them and I think right I wanted it to be about some of their boys in their team. And he said, have you ever thought about writing a book?

1:09:52And I said, right, we know where to start. So he said, look, let's do this and I'll put you into someone. And then I sort of did. And then I followed it up with somebody, but it didn't come across the way I wanted it to. I sat down with him and he was writing it as me, but it wasn't how I would sort of do it. And then I've just sort of left it. I've left it there really. But the ones that are coming around, listen, I don't, when people talk about my career, I've got nothing to hide in terms of silly things I've done. I know I've made some mistakes. I know a lot of the time I've done things to make other people laugh, but I've always took my football very seriously.

1:10:31So off the pitch, you can say what you want. Yeah, I've made some poor decisions and stuff. And I'll be honest with you, I don't have any regrets to be fair. I've had a good laugh and I've got so many friends from so many different experiences. and I love that about my career but one thing when I've been on the pitch and Sidney will tell you better than anyone I did take my football very very seriously it's just a shame sometimes when stories get told it's almost like you want to tell them for them because they get one or two things wrong you know like Pennell had the best intentions the other day but I think he's got the order muddled up and whatever else but it is what it is yeah there's there's two there's two that I really wanted to say you've probably said before but I love it when you tell them one is the the selling ticket yeah when we was all there at Arsenal outside Highbury.

1:11:17And the other one is when we were at Reading Mew playing and you had obviously the iron mark. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, of course. So, yeah, the first one, obviously, I'll start with a Liverpool one. So we're in the academy. We're 16, 17 years of age. We're getting paid peanuts, 40 quid a week. And at halftime, every game, we used to go out and get a hot dog, get a burger. It's mad, isn't it? Now, like nowadays, players wouldn't be seen doing that. But it was standard. we'd go out there we'd get some food but we used to have these tickets called paddock tickets now these paddock tickets then told you to sit behind the dugout but to sit behind the dugout at Ibury you have to walk down the tunnel so we used to have to walk down the tunnel past the manager Gerard Elliott sitting there Wenger sitting there we're up we're sitting down so I've gone out half time we're having a burger there's this there's this gal bless him he was bouncing from pillar to post down the street anyone got a ticket who's got a ticket I thought come over here pal I said I've got one I'm thinking paddock ticket he said how much I said well look at one as I said but it's half time I'll do it for half price so kiss a bullseye he says where is it where do I sit with this one I'm going go up to the top of the hill do a left and just go down about 500 yards I'm sending him towards Water Lane sending him as far away from Ivory as you possibly can I'm thinking well there's no way this fella's getting in anyway because he's got paddock written on it, yeah?

1:12:44And I think it might have had academy or youth teams. I'm thinking there's no way in a million years this fella's getting past the security on the marble steps. So we're sitting down, one or two of them are going, Stucky, that's a major liberty. You've just like basically nicked the balls after this poor fella who don't know what day it is. And I was like, that's his loss, you know what I mean? My game, happy days. And I'm in the paddocks and we're all laughing and we're watching the game. When you sit in the paddock, you can see obviously the tunnel and I can just see this head's come out of the tunnel.

1:13:11I'm thinking hold on that's looks like that geezer I'll knock the ticket out to well listen he's walked out the tunnel and he's gone like this

1:13:23he's thinking this is the best balls I've ever spent he said this is the best this is the best he's been up the marble steps he's walked down the tunnel he's now pitch side with Gerard Ullier and Arsene Beggen next to him so I've seen the security the security's thinking who's that geezer who's that geezer got down there so the geezer's got him and gone like where's your ticket and he's all like I've got one there I've got a pallet but the thing was there was no seats left in the pallet because they've all been used up by the youth team so the boys are going like that stacky your mates here so they've looked I've literally I've done this I've got oh my god Liam Brady I know like the head didn't we Liam Brady don't how but listen what have they done as soon as this geezer come up and started walking up the steps Liam Brady's gone like to me he knows he knows there's only one fella in that youth team that's going to pull a move like that so there's a seat like that the seats are small I'm moving the boys up I'm going like get up get up so we can get this fella to sit down because he's got nowhere to sit so anyway he's going to me alright pal mate don't talk to me I'm going look straight I'm going look straight don't look at me do not look at me just sit there and watch the game I said do not make a noise anyway the game was going on the boys are throwing sweets at the back of his head so I think Van Harts and a few of the boys they're hitting him with Maltesers and wine gums and he keeps turning around and he's going to get the hump and I think before you know this geezer's going to chill one of the boys so I've had to tell the boys to calm it down and stop doing it because you're winding him up anyway I forget who had a shot I think someone's had a shot from 40 yards over at the bar right this geezer has flown off the seat and he was like ready to celebrate I've grabbed this geezer I've pulled him down and I said fucking sit down do not move so he sat down and anyway game's come to the end I'm thinking right now I've got to get this fella out of the stadium he's got to go back down the tunnel and back up the tunnel back through the marble steps but how am I getting him out of here because then we've got to go past all the staff and I'll be with him so I'm walking back down and going back up the tunnel and there used to be a halfway house remember they used to carry out some interviews and whatever else and I remember coming back up the halfway house and the man who was working for the club at the time said Stacky have you got a minute so I said dear what is it just to let you know you've got to do this Tuesday Wednesday next week and I was like, yeah, all right, turn around, the geezer's gone, he's gone, he's done one, I'm thinking, oh my God, where's this geezer gone now, it could be anywhere, so I've gone out to the marble steps, thinking, oh, he must have just gone out, anyway, he's got two security guards, I've got him, like arm in arm, he's tried to get in the changing rooms, he's tried to get in the first team changing rooms, this geezer, so he's gone from getting the best ticket in the house, so now he wants to meet the players, he's proper taking the liberties out of me, isn't he, so they've carried him out, they've got one, once you get another one arm, one under the other, and they've just walked him out to the marble steps and I've just sort of grabbed the geezer.

1:16:11So just say, like, get out. You're fucking, you're going to kill me kind of thing. And he just walked out and he went, cheers, la, cheers. And I was like, yeah, nice one. And then I remember coming in Monday morning and I just got the curly finger when I got to the training ground. Liam Brady's opened his blinds up and I've pulled up and I've just got that one. I'm thinking, yeah, it's on top. He knows what's happening. We've got to reunite you with that fan. at some point. Yeah, well, listen, there's only one supporter that's ever followed Liverpool that's had that experience, that much, that experience.

1:16:41I don't think there's anyone out there that ain't done it. I remember when he'd come out, he's literally, when he'd done that, Arsene, Arsene's here and he's like, he's there. This fella's there. He's got Arsene Patrice and he's... It must be silly. So there must be how to get some footage of that because the actual camera would have been, the camera would have been from the other side, I wonder. But you would see the geezer. It was just after half-time, basically. that would be out of the final season I wonder if I can dig into the archives he must know his family must know I don't think he even remembers because he was so paralytic the fella he's probably he's I don't but then imagine imagine waking up the next day just thinking it was a dream imagine telling your mates in the pub when you get back to Liverpool did you manage

1:17:22Chris Stark: to get hold of the ticket yeah well well I was in the marble halls I was down the tunnel I was sent hello to Wenger and I sat behind the bench yeah there go yeah he's at it yeah oh mental mental um what else did you say oh and there's one with the iron mate because that that again because there's different sides that because it shows you obviously the character that you are yeah doing that but then also still training yeah and well that was mad so yeah i've got i was playing in um yeah well i was at reading and while i was at reading i was asked to play for a for my mates a manager at dhl and i had a tournament um over in belgium and he said do us a favor he said you couldn't come and take the goalies for me.

1:18:05I said, yeah, no problem. So I've gone up to Nottingham, um, to take the goalies for training at DHL on a Sunday. I'd gone out in Nottingham that night with David Noble and Lee Cannaville. Um, we've gone to a few bars and that in town and then we've ended up coming back to, to Cano's house. Hi, I'm Jack Ravici, Kramer host of the best one yet at T-Boy. We're always talking about small decisions that can have an outsized impact. One of the simplest is staying hydrated. Whether I'm traveling, getting a workout in, or heading into a busy day, I keep Liquid IV on hand. It's clinically demonstrated to hydrate faster than water alone and contains three times the electrolytes of the leading sports drink, plus eight vitamins and nutrients.

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1:18:59we're pissed up and that having a drink having a laugh and I remember Cano'd left the iron on from before he went out from where his iron was ironing his shirt I thought I don't know what's going through my mind I thought fuck it I'll stick the iron on I'll heat this one up and then Cano's bowling around the house with his top off and all that and I thought well he's going to get it so I literally put it off I think I turned it up to the top like maxed it out and I grabbed it and as Cano turned around I took the iron off the thing and just gone up and done him like he literally tried to on his back yeah so he's tried to run away from me but I've caught him on the stairs and I could just hear it and then smell it and I was like oh that's a naughty one and then anyway I'm a bit drunk so I didn't really think much of it and I thought I could see he was in agony and he was saying oh that's a liberty that's out of order and it actually dawned on me I thought that was a proper liberty I shouldn't have done that but it's too late so I said cannot I said look I said here eat it up I said you can do me as well I said we're both you can do me we'll have a go on me so I just remember standing against a kitchen worktop and just you know when you're waiting for something that's going to be like it's excruciating and I've just had that on my back and then he's pulled it off and then obviously still fairly intoxicated that night so the pain hadn't really kicked in and I've gone to training the next day to take these goalies at DHL and I just remember waking up and the back was stuck to it it was stuck to the sheets and I thought what's happened there and then I thought oh my god it all started coming back to me.

1:20:26And then I'm thinking, I've got a train. Like, Monday, at Reading. And I was getting in the car, sitting down. By the time I get into Reading, it was stuck to, my back was stuck to the T-shirt and all that. And I thought, right, how do I go? I thought, I can't tell the club, obviously, but I've got to train because I don't want to miss out on being in the squad and the bonuses and all that. So I just like found it and just got on with training. And as soon as I got to training, I used to cycle myself up and I used to just, I used to just dive on the ground to take my scab off straight away when there was no there was no balls around nothing I just thought I've got to get this I thought I've got to get this first one out of the way so it's just to frame myself on the floor pull the scab off and I just be like right now I can dive but because I was planning goal this went on I had this scab for about two months didn't I and in the end I was trying desperately so hard to get rid of it I used to just try and take it off didn't I and someone at the club see it it was a media day on a Friday and we had porter cabins at Reading and there was a lot of local press there to obviously do the pre-game stuff, interviews and stuff like that.

1:21:30And I'd walked out from one of the changers and walked past the canyon or into another port cabin and obviously someone had seen there was a massive scab on my back. And I think one of the reporters had asked one of the lads and where they've tried to obviously, not get me out of it, but they've just given the wrong idea. They said I lost that game of cards, I was saying, because it come out of the paper, didn't it? It's like Stacky had lost that game of cards and it was a bet. it wasn't true but I think the club kind of got hold of it in the end look it was alright in the end because obviously we ended up winning the title but my poor mate Cano had to he had to have a skin graft so I think they took skin off his hand and had to put it on his back Cano used to play I'm going to Lee Cannaville I think he was

1:22:14Chris Stark: he was like him and Edleigh King were like because everyone was talking about because he went to Arsenal Cano would have had a top career he was just unfortunate with injuries and stuff. Ball playing so hard and an iron. Yeah. And an iron. Yeah. The bad thing is that week, right, so the first week when he's done it, so he's come to the dressing room and he showed the lads and he's like, fuck, and then we're like, fucking stuck here, mate, that's bad. And he's like, yeah. And he's going like, listen, just dealt me out. Just get me through this, lads. So he's like, yeah, don't worry. So I think this scar, this scab, I was asking people to shoot the other side.

1:22:45Yeah, it was on his right-hand side so he couldn't dive to his right. So we kept sticking I said to the lads I said lads do us a favour I said you know I can't go I said look I said so I used to go like this crowd so if the goal was like here I just go right over to this side I'd show them loads of goals thinking they're definitely going to go so I'd go that side and still go that side and I'd be thinking you're bang out of order I never scored so many goals in one week because I just kept whipping them down And I think the gaffer was like, keeps getting big in his near post. I think I can't dive.

1:23:22Chris Stark: God, no one would have called the fact you got an iron injury from the week before. Yeah, it's mad, it's mad. But what are you up to now, Stacky? What's going on with you now? Other than obviously what you're doing with him sharing. So, yeah, I've sort of, I have had offers to get back into coaching. In the Football League, I had an interview with a championship club quite recently. And they went for someone else, had a little bit more Premier League experience, which I was fine with. Now, yeah, I mean, since I've been out of it, I've had more time to sort of reflect and decide whether or not it's exactly what I want to do.

1:23:59I was doing a lot of travelling. Obviously, you know, went to Israel, that didn't work out. A lot of that was obviously down to me, but probably one of the best things in hindsight that did happen to me, because unfortunately when I found out my dad was very, very ill when I got back. So things did happen for a reason. I lost my dad within eight weeks. So that definitely played a factor in me sort of getting back in. I needed a bit of time to get over that. I needed to be around my mum, be close to my family, getting back out again and travelling and hotels Monday, Fridays. I've got four kids.

1:24:35It's like, it would have been tough for me. The Colchester one, which is sort of like a stopgap with respect to Colchester. day it wasn't it wasn't where I saw myself long term um and then I think the longer you spend out of the game I think you just you do have more thinking time and just sort of think to yourself I do I do I miss it I miss I miss this I miss I miss this I miss being around the lads there's no two ways about it that definitely started to change towards the end of my career and when I was in coaching uh very rarely have I been in coaching groups I've been there's always been one or two individuals that have been brilliant and good fun but I think the game is changing most definitely and I would never say never if there was a good opportunity and I felt the opportunity was right and it was a good club with good people that I wanted to work with and wanted to have success with then I would definitely definitely get back involved if the timing was right but it just hasn't been right for the last sort of 18 months or two years obviously because of personal reasons with dad and stuff like that Just talk about his old man quickly God rest his soul what a man yeah um obviously he was kids he stagged we went to his stag in Marbella right Port Bannus so he turned up at the airport right and uh his dad's picked this up because his mum and dad used to live in Spain and uh he's pulled up in this this car and it's a 4x4 it was a Pajero Pajero Jeep wasn't it it's a yeah this Jeep right so he's just he's just cut the roof off right like with an angle grinder with an angle grinder yeah he called it a convertible he called it a convertible so there's six of us and only four could fit in this car.

1:26:10So we were all in there with our suitcases. It was that sharp. Like if you touched the side, you would have cut your hand open. Yeah, to be fair to the old man, he turned up with two boxes of shots, didn't he? And so he goes in the car. You had this big diamond earring in your ear. He was like, get out. He threw it out of the motorway. I was in there, just when I had that crunch, took it out, just threw it out the convertible. Well, not the convertible, but he just threw it on the motorway. Yeah, he just cut the roof clean off, didn't he, Sid? Oh, man.

1:26:38Chris Stark: That is incredible. That reminds me of me and John on the way to Stoke at the train station. We had to hold the door shut. The low rider. On the low rider, yeah. The door broke, but because we only, it was only his car that we left at the station. He'd had it for like freaking 15 years, didn't he? And he thought, I'll just leave it at the station. When we get the train up, we get the train, but the door was broke. So we're getting it, and my role was to just hold the door as we went down the A500 down to Stoke. And I'd just be holding the door the whole way. we've got Man United on Saturday I'm holding the door shut on the way to training good luck with it all mate it's amazing what you're doing and the charities obviously are fantastic they'll benefit greatly from it you've got a great group together and that reflects you as a person I think and the work you're doing so good luck with it mate we'll all be there we'll be rooting for we'll be rooting for you if people want to find out more about it where do they know what do they do I mean there's stuff on our socials Pro Project Promotions and then obviously on the website uh propromotions.com uh there's table packages on that you can also sponsor a fighter so if you want your one of the fighters that you decide to sponsor he comes in with with your company's logo on the robe shorts company logo um on the on the gloves which will be signed and then given to um whoever sponsors the fighter at the end of the night so yeah there are tables left and we are look the more the more tables we sell the more money we raise the bigger the success it is.

1:28:08So that's the plan, mate. Superb, mate. Good luck with it all. Cheers, lads. Thank you. Ciao.

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