Sir Gary Oldman: The Oscar, The Knighthood & The Problem With Manchester United

0:00Chris Stark: Hello and welcome to That Peter Crouch Podcast. Notorious SID and Chris Stark with me as usual. Everyone okay? A little bit worse for wear?

0:08Peter Crouch: A little bit worse for wear?

0:11Sids: We're all a little bit wounded. A little bit shaky today. Shall we start off with our breakfast? Shall we devolve into what we've got into straight away? What we've done today? I had a chicken peri panini. You had a chicken panini on the way here? From down the road? From down the road. Yeah, okay. that was my breakfast

0:29Chris Stark: I had a cheeseburger loaded fries did you so I'm a little bit embarrassed by what I had I had a full sit down kebab

0:44Chris Stark: it's not it's not my finest hour I'll be honest it had chilli sauce on it like the whole works sit down in the kebab shop around the corner chicken sheesh I went for the lamb donna and chips but I sat down and obviously Liverpool Liverpool play and Galatasaray and they're all Galatasaray fans so the fellas the Turkish fellas they joined me

1:12Sids: I sat down with three of the did you want to is it one of the ones where you'd rather just be

1:17Chris Stark: on my own do you know what it was it was actually really enjoyable chatting with them really good lads just reminiscing about old times he was there for my scissors kick no way at Anfield he came over to see the game so obviously yeah we're reminiscing about that over a landowner so yeah

1:38Peter Crouch: it's been quite a busy it's been a busy few days isn't it I mean to know some of the highlights has been Oasis obviously the Ryder Cup as well it's just been well all three of us

1:48Chris Stark: went to the Oasis on Saturday night that was you've done it before

1:52Sids: that was my first time was your first time

1:53Chris Stark: yeah

1:53Sids: what are your initial thoughts well I was at the front I was in the mix and absolutely blew me away.

2:00Chris Stark: Yeah.

2:01Sids: Blew me away. They're just so cool, aren't they? Eh? The sound of it, though.

2:08Peter Crouch: The whole sound of it as well. The whole thing's brilliant. Because it's not too gimmicky, is it?

2:14Chris Stark: No. No, it's literally just walk on and just play the music. Yeah. No, it's like, it's enough, isn't it?

2:20Sids: Yeah. Yeah, I was at the front and I was lobbying pints. Were you? I did that. I was doing that I didn't get hit by any and didn't get hit by any piss which was good so all in all win win

2:34Chris Stark: yeah win win so obviously we all got pretty hammered there and we kind of kicked on so obviously then the Ryder Cup happened I mean what did you make of all that that was fantastic wasn't it

2:44Peter Crouch: unbelievable yeah well it was one of those I thought it was going to be a bit more of a done deal earlier so in my head I thought I'll just have a couple of beers and we'll just watch this and then ultimately it started developing to something which clearly wasn't going to get sorted very quickly

3:00Chris Stark: oh my god they were just draining putts from everywhere I thought they couldn't miss it felt like the tide turned

3:06Peter Crouch: it feels like it got to I think like hole 8 or hole 9 and just suddenly it felt like the momentum had just completely switched because Europe didn't start

3:14Sids: horrendously there no we started well we had blue on the board and then I don't know a few arseholes dropped out and they started picking up points and

3:22Peter Crouch: well this is what I didn't understand they kept saying the players are lethargic they're tired you know which I get to a certain extent but they were saying they're kind of spent energy because of everything that's been happening this weekend and all the stuff about the hell of a lot going on

3:38Chris Stark: wasn't there what do you make of the crowd do you make of that

3:41Sids: it's not for me say anything you want from before their shots or after their shots or when they're over the ball it's got to be respectful

3:50Chris Stark: it's still golf isn't it I think the atmosphere is amazing it's electric it'd be great to be there but the minute they addressed the ball you know and also some of it was really personal like that I'm not into that no also I think McElroy

4:05Peter Crouch: did put it quite well isn't it a case that it's all fine banter and stuff like but like support your team as well like it's people who put more energy into hating on me than it was actually supporting their team but

4:19Chris Stark: I don't know

4:20Peter Crouch: I think everyone I actually think most people sort of in a weird kind of way it's probably good it happened on that on Saturday because I think or Friday, Saturday because I think it's tipped it now into kind of a question of how everyone wants golf to be at these tournaments don't think it'll happen like that again that's bad

4:41Sids: well it was always going to be like that especially in New York I think more than anywhere I think we're quite suppressed don't we when it's in Europe we're loud but we we sort of do it with a bit of dignity whereas I love that we've got into their backyard and just gone bosh come home with the goods

5:02Peter Crouch: I'll tell you the celebrations look good as well do you know what makes me laugh though it's like these golfers are so rich right and you get paid well in your sports and all that and they must earn so much money from this but still it doesn't matter whether it's Sunday league or round with your mates or whatever they're all there with a can of Stella at the end

5:24Sids: well Shane Lowry had a Magnus didn't he straight away yeah he was done what is he after that part you could see he was so like physically and mentally just gone he couldn't even believe he'd done the part and then it literally panned to another hole come back to him two minutes later on it looked like an ice cold Magnus that he just sunk

5:41Chris Stark: do you know things like that like when teams win or players do something special like that I always end up getting quite emotional like I'm just so buzzing for them you know like I just put myself in that position and just think they're just living the dream there and it gets me like fucking like makes me so happy for them you know like to be in that position

6:02Peter Crouch: yeah I love that rivalry though the Europe America same with the Ashes as well I love the England Australia rivalry and yes we've got it in football but we've never had a European football team have we no I don't think there's ever really been in discussion about something like that taking on America in football or just doing like

6:23Chris Stark: a Ryder Cup kind of yeah the start cup

6:28Peter Crouch: you'd absolutely destroy him we well let's have a think who could play it

6:32Chris Stark: no if you think about it like imagine Europe versus South America

6:35Peter Crouch: wow

6:36Chris Stark: the South American team would be decent if everyone committed

6:40Peter Crouch: the same way as the Ryder Cup and you could get the very best players you could once every couple of years play a big old

6:47Chris Stark: yeah and no one to give a you know no one would care at all about the abuse so am I that's true for all we talk about it it'll go back it'll just be football right

6:58Sids: okay sorry just about football quickly sorry we played golf with Ashley Cole on Friday me and Pete and he played in this icons game did you see it the attack yeah loads of loads of actually said it is the best game he has ever ever played in that's where the camera went round the tunnel and Stevie was there right yeah attack v defence he said it was unreal and he said he said quickly he said who was their manager it was Rafa it was Rafa Rafa was their manager and he said from kick off right considering this is a show Pete like a showcase game he said what did he say he said from kick off he did that kick off I want you to launch it into the into the into the and get our shape imagine that

7:44Chris Stark: but seriously can you imagine these people have paid whatever they've paid to be in and watch all these legends, right? And it rolls back to Zidane. He pings it out. He pings it out of touch.

7:56Peter Crouch: It never looks right, that. I don't think that ever looks right in football. What are we doing? I understand the intention of it.

8:02Chris Stark: What are we doing? Well, I do occasionally see it in the championship, this.

8:06Peter Crouch: Yeah, but it's everywhere.

8:07Chris Stark: Everyone's doing it, right? I watched it like Newcastle doing it, right? But in any other period of the match, any other minute, any other second, if the balls roll back to you you just keep it every time why are we booing it out of play I just do not get it you're not going to concede that's one thing we've got keepers doing quiff turns in their own box but from kick off you have to

8:35Sids: and it's in the centre of the pitch this is football at the minute it's gone full circle we're going back now to long throw-ins direct balls launching it out for for kick-off?

8:48Chris Stark: Well, I was at Brentford, Manchester United, on the weekend, and, I mean, he's got the, the full-back's got an absolute ping on him. So Rory, the lap throwing, it's good. And everything was going in the box. I watched Man United sit up before the game in the warm-up. They did set pieces in the warm-up for 15, 20 minutes. I went, I was behind the goal, and the coaches were trying to rough up the defenders. and they were just practising set pieces getting them ready for what's going to come up I was like we've gone back in time jeez I don't know like it just how football evolves and then comes comes back round again is fans and trends yeah

9:30Sids: yeah you did you did send a picture into the WhatsApp group did you did you get to see the fourth official

9:36Chris Stark: or did you I sent obviously I took a picture of that because I saw the lads just warming up and there was three of them and just behind was the was the fourth and I thought there he is he's in for a tough afternoon that's our guy so I'd just like to shout out to all the fourths out there may the fourth be with you yes and obviously you know it was a great game actually the Brentford main night game did well Brentford they look good considering they've lost so many players starting to click at the under Keith Andrews I like him as well yeah I thought he was very good also I was absolutely fucking fuming with the Newcastle Arsenal game.

10:18Peter Crouch: Because what was it, 96 minutes? Well, my arse was twitching because I was watching full transparency. I haven't seen too much football this weekend because it sort of kept an eye on the golf and was at Oasis. But this one, I saw the score pop up and then I went to go check what our predictions were. I saw that you had won all, Pete. I thought, fucking hell, a bit of crouchy luck's come its way. So then just ignored it. And then when I checked the score after, I couldn't believe it well buzzing

10:44Chris Stark: when that went in I just sank in my chair couldn't believe it

10:48Sids: I had a feeling they was going to get a winner Arsenal do you know what made me do it Gary Neville on comms when he was like this team now should be looking to go on and win this game when as soon as he said that they're going to get a goal

11:01Peter Crouch: statistically they must be the team in the Premier League that score more late goals than any other surely well Liverpool

11:10Sids: have been this season Liverpool have been yeah Arsenal

11:13Peter Crouch: Jay what was that

11:15Chris Stark: Five times already

11:17Peter Crouch: Wow

11:20Chris Stark: Some big late goals Well anyway That snatched Snatched victory For me I ended up with Neil Poir Chris got one And Sid's got one So that puts me bottom On 11 Sid's on 12 And Chris on 15 I mean that's how That's how big that was For me that goal Long way to go

11:41Peter Crouch: Long You put three points to nothing in 30 seconds. Hero to zero. Terrible.

11:47Chris Stark: Just a quick one on Sunderland. Another result for them. Jack is flying there.

11:54Sids: Well, we are football heritage, aren't we? We always tend to speak about the big clubs. Yeah. Normally, across broadcasting. So I think it's about time we give a shout out to the ones that have come up.

12:04Chris Stark: Sunderland especially. 100%.

12:06Sids: Jack, we didn't make fun of it, but we had a laugh, didn't we, over his...

12:11Chris Stark: Well, it was just the interview, wasn't it? Yeah. There wasn't a lot of information given.

12:16Sids: No.

12:17Chris Stark: I didn't think. It's like, what do you think of when you see the state of light? Fire.

12:22Sids: Yeah.

12:24Chris Stark: What do you think about the fans? Like, great. It wasn't. For me, it wasn't the most insightful of interviews. But, you know, he's doing great and he's a fantastic player.

12:38Sids: 11 points from the first six games.

12:40Chris Stark: Unreal start.

12:41Peter Crouch: a great chance of staying up. Yeah, I really have. Who are they against? Man United next as well, right?

12:47Sids: They are against Man United at Old Trafford. Yeah.

12:51Peter Crouch: What's this about Southgate as well? Is he potentially essentially going there to be there?

12:56Sids: He's getting, he's, I mean, I read a rumour the other day that they, they'd want to sack, if they're going to sack Amorim, it'll be from November because it's less compensation. That's why I read that. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but, I mean I feel sorry for him a little bit because it's not just him there's players in there that that are that are not at it for me so it's it's not just a manager but he looks like he looks gone do you see some of the clips of him you'd have seen him he was looking down at the floor I was sitting behind yelled at you'd have been close to him his manner is I was there the whole time

13:30Chris Stark: like it just doesn't it doesn't fulfil your confidence you know like it doesn't look even set pieces you know so you know when he looks away for the penalties set pieces were like he was looking away for the set pieces see that

13:45Sids: he'd done that against Grimby didn't he he couldn't see the penalties yeah but he's doing it for free kicks yeah normal he's probably thinking they're going to score yeah that's it they're going to score

13:55Chris Stark: well that's what he's thinking that's obviously what he's thinking yeah but I don't know I mean he looks it doesn't look good for that for him are we United no

14:04Peter Crouch: in general so hypothetical situation Gareth Southgate comes in I sort of think he matches there's something that weirdly sort of works for that for me

14:15Sids: I just I think listen if you get offered Man United you've you've got to really consider it but I think there's a the cut is deeper at Old Trafford yeah there's a lot to fix

14:27Chris Stark: someone mentioned Eddie Howe to me right to go to United but you there's why would you why would he leave Newcastle no chance to take a job that if you go since Alex Ferguson's left like Moyes Van Gaal Mourinho these aren't bad managers do you know what I mean like what and their stock has certainly not gone up for them in the Manchester United job I just don't know why you would never leave Newcastle to go down and the only pull

14:55Sids: is it's Manchester United but the club's size is massive it's not the Manchester United of old

15:00Peter Crouch: no exactly but is that part of the problem when you've got if you're a manager of a certain age I guess as well is you're holding on to that

15:08Sids: that romanticised view of ultra.

15:11Peter Crouch: And that's absolutely fine as well. If that's the value you put in it, it's just not maybe the reality of where they're at at the moment.

15:20Chris Stark: Obviously, all we've ever known is, you know, when the club of that kind of stature comes in for you, you know, unless you've got allegiance to, you know, another big club of the same size, you know, you go there, right? as a manager it's the same thing as a manager there's only a kind of handful of clubs where the draw is is that big and Manchester United are one of those but are they still one of those I mean I think if you're a big player now you

15:51Peter Crouch: you're not going there are you what what about for Gareth Southgate then in terms of him and his sort of standing in football I feel now he's moved obviously away from that England job I think people will look back at his legacy differently because it was a point in time where he was starting to pick up a lot of criticism and you know like like all England managers end up in that that position yeah but I think that happens

16:17Chris Stark: to managers in general doesn't it you know like when like David Moyes for instance like towards the end of his West Ham career it was very much kind of anti Moyes wasn't it really yeah but I think now he's left you know his legacy is is there forever yeah that's what I mean but do you you protect that

16:34Peter Crouch: I mean the second you get into club management again you're putting that at risk aren't you for sure yeah

16:40Sids: that's part and parcel of it as Graham Potter's finding out look at that West Ham can you believe that on Friday he's done the press conference Saturday morning chop god mad

16:51Peter Crouch: that's really yeah there's some mad scenes the Taylor one who's under huge pressure I don't know if you keep seeing the videos of this is Russell Martin upper Rangers do you know

17:04Chris Stark: they're like 11th

17:05Peter Crouch: yeah Rangers Rangers it's their worst run in God knows however many years I didn't realise

17:12Chris Stark: it was quite that bad yeah severe but not good at all at the moment is it up there no shall we get into probably a more important league our league of course

17:30Chris Stark: okay this next part of the podcast is supported by Piley Power the big weekend fixture this week is Chelsea versus Liverpool Chelsea obviously at home they're 15-8 Liverpool 5-4 favourites as you'd expect of course Liverpool top of the league very strongly looking good

17:48Sids: but obviously lost to Palace back of a bad result and Chelsea as well so two reactions needed from this I see a lot of Chelsea fans on the train going to Oasis at Wembley they were going mad they were going mad what about the situation but yeah just not happy with how it's going and the direction and the manager I'm not sure about the manager are they I don't think they're not they're still not sure on him but even on that game the 3-1 defeat to Brighton won in that half time yeah the red card was a major talking point but yeah I don't it doesn't feel like there's a good feeling at Stamford Bridge at the moment and then Liverpool I've got to say I watched the highlights Palace absolutely battered them first half really like I'm talking could have been 4 or 5 up easy they got they got in behind Liverpool's back line so many times if they had been a lot more clinical they could have been 4-0 up no lights at Sellers Park so this is a big this is a big one this yeah it is yeah

18:46Chris Stark: I think obviously with Arsenal winning kind of last minute they feel like they're in the ascendancy a little bit Liverpool probably need a reaction but it's a tough place to go obviously at Chelsea I do think Liverpool get a result here though

18:58Peter Crouch: this is an interesting one both teams matches are averaging 3.1 goals

19:02Sids: per game 3.1 goals per game and look at that the last five Prem meetings one Chelsea win two draws and two Liverpool wins I think I called this one on a previous previous prediction I think it was like was it a 2-0 or a 3-3 it was an outrageous prediction I got it

19:22Chris Stark: did you an outrageous prediction it was it was I'm going in go on in I'm going to go 3-1 Liverpool

19:30Peter Crouch: oh you're going to go for a repeat of last season. I'm just flicking through the Instagram DMs here just to see who we go with. Some great names this week. I don't know if people change their names now.

19:41Chris Stark: Do you think that they're like,

19:42Peter Crouch: they know they're going to get a shout out of them? I'm suspicious though. Jack Wolf, Harry Judge, Basher McGreal. What's Basher saying? Basher. We'll have a quick look at Basher. Basher McGreal. Yeah. His Instagram's called Bashergram.

20:04Oh, God.

20:07Chris Stark: All right. His name's not Basher, surely, later. This is Basher McGreal. Look. Basher McGreal. Wow.

20:15Peter Crouch: Did that be first name Basher? Basher McGreal, aren't they? What a legend. That's your real name. Send us a picture of some ID just to prove it. But if that's your real name, that's unbelievable. All right, Basher. So he says, chaps, regards to your families. Of course. There was a lot of that at Wembley. Did you get the same? Yeah. Guys to your families. He's gone for Liverpool 2, Chelsea 1. There's a lot of people saying that, to be fair. Let's have a quick look at Harry Judge. He's gone 3-1. Ryan Bassett.

20:50Peter Crouch: Get this? I'm just clicking on his message. Ryan Bassett says, regards to the families, games aren't so huge this weekend. He says, ironically, my uncle's is called Mike Bassett. my dad is called Dave Bassett no way a character Mike was loosely based on I believe

21:09Chris Stark: it's got Mike and Dave Bassett yeah

21:12Peter Crouch: fantastic as father and uncle separate people well I know what's coming here you're going to go 2-1 yeah you are aren't you

21:23Chris Stark: I'm going straight

21:25Sids: he's gone with Basher I'm with Basher all the way okay you've gone 3-1 Liverpool you've gone 2-1 Liverpool I'm going to go 2-0 Liverpool

21:37Chris Stark: okay locked in we have got the Paddy's boost as well lads we each pick a leg of the CrutchPod bet builder the odds on that bet builder will be boosted by 20 % put on the Paddy Power website and app I'm going to go player to score first Mo Salah Chris? Yep

21:55Sids: player to be carded I'll go Enzo Fernandez alright and I'm going to go for a player to have two or more shots on target, João Pedro

22:03Chris Stark: odds are correct at the time of recording please gamble responsibly ok we've got Bournemouth vs Fulham thoughts on this one

22:13Sids: Bournemouth I really like Bournemouth I really like them, I really like the manager I like the way they play and they're at home as well I watched Fulham on the weekend against Villa they were alright for 45 minutes and then had a real sort of lapse, five minutes, which they conceded two goals in and that just done the game for them. So, but I really like Bournemouth. I'm just wondering how long they're going to keep hold of this manager for.

22:40Chris Stark: Yeah, and Semenyo as well. I think that was good keeping hold of him because they did lose players, didn't they? Yeah. But they lost the majority of their back four, wasn't it? That's what I mean, yeah. And the keeper. Replaced, you know, it's similar to a situation to Brentford as well, losing a lot of their top players and still managing to get results.

23:00Sids: Just a question on Bournemouth. Can they extend their stadium? Or do they just like having a small... Because it's the smallest capacity, isn't it? I don't know if there's... You think about now, they're quite an established Premier League team, aren't they? You think about them wanting to maybe make it a bit more, I don't know, extend to 20 ,000. I don't know if they can do that there or if there's a new stadium plans. if you've got a business interest in this or something. Well, I'm just thinking, if they are, let's... Roman Asinovich.

23:33Peter Crouch: Is this what you're up to in Amsterdam?

23:35Chris Stark: No, no, no. He's got his fingers in pies. He's a shareholder in Bournemouth.

23:41Sids: He's having a look. All I'm thinking of is, if they are, then, yeah, hospitality-wise, I'd love to get involved in the chat. It's true, there it is.

23:52Peter Crouch: There it is. So this explains it all. This explains why... It's always an angle. It was basically an advert for Fulham hospitality on this podcast a couple of weeks ago. I didn't listen back. I was tempted to take it to VAR because I was like, what's happened here? Sid's been wine dined in 69. I've been coming on this podcast. Wine dined in 69. And now it seems his interest has turned to the South Coast.

24:22Sids: Look, we're always thinking outside the box here. And if that means maybe even a few Airbnbs and we sort of like get some people down there and watch a game for a weekend and we're wine dining 69 there as well.

24:38Peter Crouch: We'll have a look. All right, Sid. We'll let you know on that. So yeah, if anyone from Bournemouth can let us know if you're thinking of potentially extending the stadium. Sid has got some builders and a load of guys ready to go.

24:50Chris Stark: Yeah, just a quick one as well. I saw Claudia Schiffer at Brentford. Did you? Yeah. Is that the team she supports? Because she's occasionally goes to the football, doesn't she? I think her, I think her, I'm pretty sure it was her husband or, or, um, boyfriend. Is he the owner of the club or the, or investor? Ah, yeah. Because she was there, I'm sure she was there a couple of weeks back. Yeah. I'll be honest with you, you know, I grew up in the area, um, around there. I, I didn't see her in, uh, when they were in the old Division 2 at Griffin Park. No. Didn't see her there. In the four pubs on the corner.

25:24Chris Stark: But I'm sure she's always... It was definitely her. I've had a fun. She was her, yeah.

25:29Peter Crouch: I saw Damien Lewis struggling to get into Wembley this weekend. I saw him. I saw him at Wembley as well. He was having issues with the bags. I don't think he'd listen to my announcement, actually. He's got to be smaller than an A4-sized paper.

25:43Chris Stark: Oh, really? Are you still announcing that? I heard it when I was walking up.

25:48Sids: Did you hear him? Yeah. Hi guys. Welcome to Wembley. Are you getting any more grief for that?

25:57Chris Stark: Yes.

26:02Peter Crouch: Oh, brilliant. I assume Damien Lewis got in then. Did you see him in the stadium? I saw him in the stadium. Oh, great. So he got in. Or did he have his bag?

26:11Chris Stark: Yeah. To be fair, I saw him on Homeland. I wouldn't let him in with the bag either.

26:23Peter Crouch: I mean, that's very clever, that is. That's very clever. Did you just think of that?

26:30Chris Stark: Yeah. That's brilliant.

26:33Peter Crouch: Oh, gosh.

26:35Chris Stark: Oh, funny. Right. We've still got some games. We've still got some games. We've still got some games. Well, listen, hopefully this all goes ahead. Is it at Bournemouth? Is it at Bournemouth? Yeah, because I wasn't sure. If they are extending the ground size, hopefully it's not this weekend. I'm actually to be fair I'm covering this game

26:52Sids: oh brilliant I'm doing this game for Sky so I'm going to say this is going to be a I'm going to sit on the fence I'm going to say it's a Bournemouth draw Bournemouth one full on one horny draw I'm going to say horny yeah it doesn't sound so too horny I'm going to say horny

27:12Chris Stark: just a limp a limp draw oh okay okay not so horny give us a name give us a name Was Basher gone with a result here?

27:22Peter Crouch: Oh, it's all... The problem is because I get hundreds of these come through all at once. What about Reece Sainsbury's?

27:28Sids: No way.

27:32There's...

27:34Peter Crouch: Let's have a look.

27:35Chris Stark: Andy Bird. Andy Bird? That's my dad's mate, isn't it? Geordie. Let's have a look at what he's saying. It's not actually him, is it? I don't know, mate. He's got a long-haired Geordie, is he?

27:49Peter Crouch: Josh Barton Ben Stevenson Dean Platt I don't know a lot of people are saying draw you know I'm going to go Desmond 2-0 fuck

28:02Chris Stark: well I feel like I need to go for one of the teams now

28:08Chris Stark: I'm going to go for a Bournemouth 2-0 win that's a good shout that's a good shout Come on, this week is going to be big for me. I can feel it. Okay, we'll move on then to Manchester United versus Sunderland. I did the Man United game the other day. I just devoid of ideas. I thought they were, the lit looks, you know, he's actually had a good start, the lit, but he looked all over the place against Brentford. Centre forward, Thiago, he's just pulling him all over the place. I think Bruno Fernandes was kind of playing in a two in there and the front three I like, but it's not really clicking.

28:48Sids: The thing is, they change formation all the time. In that game, he changed formation three or four times.

28:53Chris Stark: I don't know if he knows his right team and I think sticking with this system that he's got... He's doubling down, isn't he? Yeah, you have to be adaptable, don't you? I don't think he... I think there's a lot, yeah, we could say, but you know what? I'm not into this kind of bashing them all the time. and I think it's kind of like you can't try and refrain from doing it but it's so hard if someone asks you a question certainly when I'm doing the TV you've got to be honest haven't you right and it's it's not good enough

29:25Sids: I think every United fan would be saying the same thing they'd be saying don't know don't even look like scoring we look like conceding all the time don't know how we're playing don't know like our style don't know like no confidence no flair no one's sort of getting anyone off their seat yeah and that's a problem

29:43Peter Crouch: especially when you've got a home game like this against Sunderland people are turning up Aggie

29:48Chris Stark: so this this game now is is pivotal like they've just lost to Brentford if he goes at home and loses to Sunderland Ryan's on the wall I don't think I think it's untenable then

30:00Sids: I don't see enough in that Man United dressing room for even if it was the players that close the door and just go amongst themselves lads we need to we need to pull our finger out here like with this game coming up here we cannot lose like irrelevant how we're going to play everyone we like we need to our intensity needs to like be there our work rate for like individually everyone I don't see that in that main eye dressing room well who's going to do that that's what I mean yeah I don't see it Harry Maguire

30:30Chris Stark: maybe Harry Maguire speak up Bruno Fernandes I imagine would say something I don't know there's not enough like compare it to Granit Xhaka on the other side Sunderland like just looks like he's a real leader right and they've signed some good players Sunderland since the start of the season I felt like they could stay up and they're it's looking like a good bet Sunderland to stay up and they have the opportunity that they could go and make a real name for them so it's a statement win go to Old Trafford and get a win

31:01Sids: I'm going to say they are

31:02Chris Stark: oh my god are you going in are you going for it as well potentially are you going with Basher

31:07Sids: I am I'm going in I'm going to say Sunderland 1-0

31:10Peter Crouch: bloody hell I'm going to say

31:11Sids: Sunderland 1-0 and the reason being is that man you're all over the gaff at the minute and that Sunderland remember you remember what it's like when you played in the Prem for the first time and you go to Old Trafford and you go to his places they're going to be up for it they're going to be up for it

31:28Peter Crouch: I think this could this could just be I'm not imagining a hugely exciting game at the moment I think this could be a bit of a limp biscuit yeah

31:39Sids: bit of dribble Fred Fred Durst Fred Durst

31:47Peter Crouch: yeah I'm going to go an unhorny draw here oh no no 1-0 oh fucking hell

31:56Sids: have you done draws every game you've done 1-0 2-2 last one

32:00Peter Crouch: you've done 2-1 oh he's done 2-1 Desmond and then 1-0 oh alright

32:05Chris Stark: I'm going to I don't think this will happen but I'm going to go for it just because I need the points. I'm going to go with Man United 2-1.

32:13Peter Crouch: Okay. Really?

32:15Chris Stark: Yeah. And don't tell me you're not excited, listeners, because it's exciting this weekend, isn't it? Okay, let's get into the pod. And today, lads, today's guest is one of Britain's greatest ever actors. He's an Oscar winner, a BAFTA winner, star of blockbusters from Dracula to Harry Potter the Darkest Hour massive May United fan he's in Slow Horse at the moment which is absolutely fantastic it's Gary Oldman mental

32:53Chris Stark: so we had the pleasure of having Sir Gary Oldman with us today incredible we'll get into that you can currently see him in Slow Horses Season 5 on Apple TV Plus yes how is that going i mean it's flying everyone love it we love it so we're thrilled it's just

33:11Gary Oldman: been accepted it's taken it's i mean it's a huge show in this in america um and uh so we just thought it might be a sort of colloquial really just a british yeah it's a huge show it's the

33:28Peter Crouch: show that got me subscribing to apple it's this show gary i've got to ask you this right some of my favorite stories of crouchies on this podcast have been some of the kind of uh pranks that happen in the dressing room i i really need you to answer something just for my own sanity yeah go on then you have become uh on on this show you know the master of farting yeah when you did it for the first time on that show, was that improvised or was that always the intention? And I've got to know, is it real or is it sort of sound effects? And just please talk me through an acting masterclass here.

34:10Gary Oldman: A flatulence. A flatulence. A masterclass. I've always thought that I could have asked him for one of the first questions. You've told me that one. I've got to ask him. Well,

34:24Gary Oldman: the idea of well jackson lamb is a character in these books by mick heron so our show is based on a series of books and the creation of jackson and indeed these characters and this incredible universe that it gives you that is that we have is out of the imagination of mick we wouldn't we wouldn't have the show without mick and the books so he's done a lot of work for us they are templates that we we we we massage and move around but but basically we took you know that the the show is based on these books. And Jackson Lamb is this rather curmudgeon, well, not really, but was a great spy at one time in the field.

35:22Gary Oldman: He drinks too much. He smokes too much. He has a terrible diet. He burps and he farts and he does it also just, I think he smokes just because it's not politically correct, just to piss you off and he does things like fart in public which it's it's just it's part um spycraft it's part it's him sort of going you're not i'm gonna you can't second guess me i'm gonna keep you at a distance you're never really going to kind of know who i am but he just those social norms he just doesn't really care about so the farting was always part of the character and when we did the first episode um it that we were getting feedback there's this big sort of james bond born identity kind of airport chase with jack loudon running crazy like you know Tom Cruise in the Mission Impossible and then I think it just cut to Standish crossing a street walking into Slough House and we we heard that well we don't know who these people are we don't really know who now who is this person where is this we've been here at this airport it's MI5 now we're in the shoddy building and so it was an idea that i had i just i said look why don't you know jackson lamb doesn't always get home i'm sure he sleeps in the office um why don't i why don't you just cut to jack salern waking up but he wakes himself up with a fart yeah and then we know what then the audience he's because that's the tone now you know the tone of the show ah now so you pan over the desk and it's this top secret and then there's this guy with holes in his socks sleeping on a sofa and he and he farts and wakes himself up and the audience know exactly you know exactly where you are and then what to expect so it was just uh a way of you know what is how do we capture yeah encapsulate the tone of the show um no pun intended it was a little vibrato with some bass to it but no it is a sound effect oh but what you've broken my i'm sorry but but if it's any consolation i never thought that i would in my career have conversations with a director writing emails saying yes i saw the first cut um now you've got to remember he's actually sitting on leather so when i need a little bit more leathery i need it a little bit more robust and maybe a little wet around the edges and i and i'm like typing this stuff to the director and i'm going oh and I'm a grown man sitting here typing about you know what sort of quality fart we should have for the scene but it's in the detail isn't it absolutely

39:02Chris Stark: it's in the detail but yeah you've done you've obviously played so many different types of characters and obviously we're a football podcast so the firm was obviously something really important to us growing up obviously playing there you know at West Ham and kind of the whole thing. What did you make of that and of the new one? Have you seen the remake of The Firm? I haven't seen the remake. I mean, we were lucky because it was a very interesting take

39:35Gary Oldman: on hooliganism and there was a perception of what it was and actually these guys, you know, who had money and they had credit cards and they could travel first class and it was a whole sort of, they were estate agents during the week and then at the weekends they were sort of crazy sort of violent hooligans. So that was an interesting angle. You saw them in a different way. But we were lucky because we had the late, God bless him, the late Alan Clarke who was just an amazing director. So I think that's what made it all the more special, is because of Alan's eye and his take on it.

40:31Chris Stark: I just wanted to get into, obviously, the few little achievements that I've got in this bar. But being a sir and getting an Oscar is something that I can't get my head around and something incredible, right? So where were you when you found out about the knighthood?

40:51Gary Oldman: I was at home in Palm Springs.

40:56Peter Crouch: Do you get a call up, Gary? I didn't personally get the call up.

41:01Gary Oldman: I think the Prime Minister. I think it comes first through them and then they speak to, their people speak to my people. Too right. And then it filters its way down and then I get the phone call from that man actually sitting over there. And he said, you're on the list. In fact, the ceremony or the investiture takes place tomorrow. Wow. Tomorrow morning. i have the yeah official um yeah so and i it's mind-blowing yes it's humbling and flattering and you know to have one's work i guess or a body of work over 40 odd years or so I've been doing it a long time I'm quite old you know older than I look I hope

42:17Chris Stark: you know if you had to show someone a Gary Oldman film which one would you show them if they hadn't seen any of your films which are you most proud of

42:32I do

42:34Gary Oldman: I do think The Oliver Stone movie JFK Yeah I'm very I'm very Proud of that I think Even though I mean I play Lee Harvey Oswald But I'm not I'm not in every frame of the film But I Certainly when I Went to the very first screening of it I had to pinch myself that I was in it. I thought, God, this is really cool. I'm in this. You know, I was very, very sort of impressed with it. And I think it's one of Oliver's best films. I mean, obviously, Darkest Hour, having the chance to play Churchill and then at the end of it, well, to get the Oscar and just about, and we joked just about every award there was.

43:36Gary Oldman: I think they were inventing stuff to just give me. They were making them up, you know. I don't have that one, though.

43:49Chris Stark: I mean, there's so much of this stuff in it that I really don't want to explain to you, Gary. and that's one of them where does your Oscar I've got a chicken sitting behind me it's not an Oscar where does it sit is it in your house and you've got to talk me through that moment when you're sitting there and your name gets called do you know beforehand or that's just so that's a natural reaction you do not

44:18Gary Oldman: it's a very very I mean they bring the case in and they have security and, yeah, you don't know beforehand. No, so it was a surprise. And it was Helen Mirren and Jane Fonda who presented the award that year and Jane is very old school. You're supposed to say, and the Oscar goes to, and Jane Fonda said, and the winner is which they which they don't say anymore but I kind of like that she said and the winner is and I thought yeah

45:01Sids: get in there yeah I love it get in there

45:05Chris Stark: who do you remember who you were up against

45:08Gary Oldman: yeah Denzel Washington Dan Day Lewis wow it's not bad wow can you remember who else was on that Timothy Shalomay timothy chalamet you're correct yeah so it was quite um yeah prestigious competition yeah i mean who's best i mean come on you know um but churchill was was incredible right yeah with the

45:41Peter Crouch: training for that as well did you hear about did you read about this that what you did to be in that role and and as i understand it you you have always committed to these roles being willing to adapt your body and really do quite physical things to you and and that role in particular i don't i read that you described it as your most physically challenging role was it was was it like that for you well it meant the

46:13Gary Oldman: The test of it was Could I look enough like Churchill Without completely losing myself In the makeup We have He's so iconic That

46:35I mean look at me

46:38Gary Oldman: I mean I You know I don't resemble him at all. And when it was first proposed to me, I laughed out loud. I just said, oh, come on. I said I probably could play, if I lost a little, if I lost 10 pounds, I could probably play Chamberlain, you know, a pinch. But church, and I just thought it was just a ridiculous idea at first. But having, I'm in almost every scene, I think we shot 53 days and I had that makeup on, with testing, I think I had that makeup on 63 times.

47:28Peter Crouch: I had 200 hours in the makeup.

47:31Gary Oldman: Yeah, roughly about, yeah, probably 200 hours. So you would get in. That's more than Sid's. Well, there was... No. You want to say it? See, that's just under that. We've got your TNT. Just under. Yeah. Do your best. But the... Yeah, there was one on the first day or the second day, I think I set my alarm for... We shot during the winter so you get less daylight, and they wanted to get the day... They wanted to complete the day and get as much as they could done. And I think I set my alarm for 10 past one in the morning. And the car came at quarter to two and I got there for three o 'clock. So you're there hours, you're there hours before everyone else.

48:24Gary Oldman: And then it's 45 minutes to an hour to remove it. so it they're they're 20 20 hour days for um it's great work i'm not i'm not i'd loved every minute of it i'm not complaining but it it i look at it now i look back on it now and i think how earth did i did i manage it you know and i must have i've got skin like asbastas i've got old boots for skin or something because you'd only have to get a rash or an allergic reaction to it and you're done. You can't keep putting makeup on top of a skin problem. So we were very lucky in that respect that I just must have a tough old face.

49:22Chris Stark: You know, you consistently had cigars, right? Are you really, are they real cigars?

49:29Gary Oldman: Yeah, they were real cigars. Yeah, I got at one point, because even if you're not smoking, you're sucking on them. So you're still getting nicotine. I got nicotine poisoning. And my stomach was so bad that we had a break over Christmas and everybody went off to, you know, have dinner with the family and open Christmas presents and I had a colonoscopy. Really? Wow. I had to go get a checkup because my stomach had gone completely, completely crazy. And I think it was, you know, these things. You check them out, don't you? You know, and so that's what I did that Christmas. That was lovely. I'm sure that's not just acting is it

50:27Peter Crouch: I mean I guess with this you know as Cratchit said being a football podcast and you draw the parallels between different you know it's very different training but what you physically put in your body through for that is quite extraordinary really all for an end goal and all for your role but you got the silverware from it so you know very different training but brilliant results

50:51Gary Oldman: I did bring home the cup that year yeah that's a nice feeling isn't it yeah the best yeah

50:59Chris Stark: the way you do it right when you score that yeah it's the best feeling in the world I mean what's the pinnacle for you like what's the out of all your achievements the Oscar must be I mean that role with Church yeah

51:14Gary Oldman: it's it's it's up there I mean it's a thing that well you see it's not in you're not conscious of it you don't do it you don't say oh I'm going to play this part because I'll have the opportunity to win the Oscar it's the last thing you're thinking of yet with football you've got the manager going we're going to win the fucking cup you know that's your main goal yeah that's what you're heading to to the acting you you're you're doing it and you you're not you're not doing it for prizes yeah in that in that sense and that is a lovely that's icing on the cake you know at the end of at the end of the film i've worked just as hard on other the movies and some of them are, you know, they sort of disappear into obscurity, you know.

52:23Gary Oldman: You're just in it for the work. But I think with a football player, it's a different thing because the manager wants that. He wants the double, the triple. He's pushing you all the time in that respect.

52:41Chris Stark: How much football do you watch, Gary? You're a Manchester United fan, right?

52:45Gary Oldman: I am a, yeah, I'm a Man United fan. They're doing really good.

52:52Chris Stark: How's it going for my man?

52:56Gary Oldman: Dear Allah. It's a shaky start to the season. Brentford was, well, we had a few people out. Yeah. so but yeah it's a bit a bit Dutch what made you be a main main because you was born in South London I was born in South London some people say that a real cockney is born within the sound of bow bells I was born within the sound of mill war supporters and the and the and Coal Blow Lane was was where I lived in New Cross Gate was literally a three-minute walk. Now, in the height of the Millwall hooligan days, they would come obviously past our front room window and into the garden and through the garden.

53:55Gary Oldman: And the police horses and all the, you know, because my street all funneled into the Cobblow Lane. so as a little as they were they were i mean a local team they were at the end of the street and you could see the floodlights and hear the crowd from the back from the back garden almost as if you were there in the stadium i mean it was it was that loud so about seven or eight I started to sort of get into football and then at the time I was 10 I was really now very very keen on it you know and I saw Man United the European Benfica game in in 68 and was just mesmerized by the team and George Best, who was my hero.

55:02So I, Millwall was the sort of local team

55:09Gary Oldman: and occasionally I would go to see matches there, but I tried to see United whenever they came south. Yeah. So I'd see them, you know, as Tottenham, Arsenal, West Ham, you know, when they came south. So I couldn't always get to Old Trafford back then. But so I just sort of, and was as a kid when you're 10, you're dazzled by the Red Devils, the kit, Georgie Best, Bobby Charlton you know you

55:51Gary Oldman: but I sort of miss like we've got we've we've let a lot of people go and there's some new players that have come in which is which is great but but what I think is sad for me It's just my own personal taste. When in the 70s, 70s, 80s, when I was watching football and supported that great team, it was your first 11. Now, I know why people can't play the first 11 in a game that has become more physical and faster and that you just wear your body out. you would, kind of a little, kind of what happened to Rooney a bit. I think he just, he played every game. Yeah, exhausted. It wore him out. So I get that, but when you watch the first 11 every week, there was a relationship, a sort of communion that the crowd, the fans had with the team.

57:12Gary Oldman: You look at, I mean, off the top of my head, Giggsie, 23 years at Man United. Gary Neville, 20 years at Man United. George Best, 11 years at Man United. Bobby Charlton, his entire senior career at Man United. Every week, you went back, you knew the team, and you felt that you had a relationship with the team and I find now I'm away from it for a while because of my work and I come back and I turn the TV and I'm watching a game and I'm going, who the fuck's that?

57:58Gary Oldman: I go, oh, oh, he's a transfer. Oh, where's Garnaccio? He's with Chelsea. And that's the thing. What, 2020, I don't know, probably Old Trafford, I saw his debut. Dazzling. 17-year-old. I think it ended up being 1-1 or something. That was 2022. 2025, he's gone already. Ooh, yeah. Yeah. I don't, so I, and I don't know how that, You could best tell me as a player, isn't there a sort of familiarity that you have when you've got your, when you have your regular guys around you? Isn't there a sort of telepathy that you start to, there's a connection within the team without, and now it's someone plays 10 minutes, they take him off, they bring someone else on he plays 20 minutes they take him off they bring I don't know how the game to me is I love the Premier League it's thrilling but I I do I do miss I do sort of you're not old enough to be in the old days

59:29Sids: we're all about we're all about

59:31Chris Stark: football nostalgia on this podcast yeah we are about nostalgia I know I'm good At Manchester United, I mean, you had it so good for so long and it's very rare to have, you know, those players like the Neville's keen. They'd stayed there for 10 years. Beckham, Scholes, they've come through. But they've come through the system and stayed there their whole career. Is that, is that, I mean, we're talking,

59:55Gary Oldman: the earlier team that I was just talking about, Alex Jennings, Nobby Stiles, Bobby Charlton. Yeah. they were under Matt Busby the team the Cantonares the Beckhams the Giggsies yeah and Neville were under Fergie is it I would imagine that's

1:00:28Chris Stark: that's vital isn't it yeah I think I don't think the manager's not down I don't think the players stay as long, do they? But he's one of the greatest managers of all time. If they asked you to play him in a biopic of his life, would you do that? Play who? Sir Alex Ferguson. Well, I don't know what I'm going to say, actually.

1:00:53Gary Oldman: I don't think I'm kidding.

1:00:59Gary Oldman: Do you know what really gives me... Do you know what makes me chuckle?

1:01:08is I text him sometimes and he texts back and I have to pinch myself.

1:01:16Gary Oldman: I go, he's arguably the greatest manager in the game, you know. Yeah. And, oh, hi, Gary, how are you? I'm going, are you texting? I'm texting with fucking unexpressed. and he says love to the wife

1:01:39Sids: fantastic what will you be texting would it be football related or is it just just

1:01:43Gary Oldman: I wanted to come at one point he wanted to come and see he wanted to come to the set to watch us filming and slow horses yeah wow and absolutely and anyway it didn't it didn't work out so it's it would be stuff like you know well sorry it didn't work out maybe next time you know hope you're well but God can you imagine

1:02:09Peter Crouch: Sir Alex Ferguson on Slow Horses that would have been a nice cameo nice little cameo no we're still

1:02:17Gary Oldman: oh never say never oh God Gary please I I would love like a Hitchcock moment you know even if he's just in a cafe or he walks by and the audience go is that yeah no it couldn't have been couldn't have been but see I think

1:02:37Peter Crouch: I think it'd play a role quite understated quite well there have been previous examples of Man United players trying to do acting for adverts and things where I don't know what you I don't know if you want we'll try and get out now

1:02:53Chris Stark: if you don't mind if you wouldn't mind critiquing the Man United team's acting skills I said Have you heard the rumour? What rumour, George?

1:03:11Sids: Guys, we have a problem. The boss said that new devil is arriving.

1:03:17Chris Stark: Is he well known? Fate must have the world.

1:03:26Chris Stark: And what do they say about him? They say he is a legend.

1:03:44Chris Stark: Thoughts, Gary?

1:03:51Gary Oldman: I'm a bit guffspot. what was that even for a drink

1:03:58Chris Stark: yes red wine I believe did you know Rooney

1:04:01Peter Crouch: had that in the locker

1:04:05Chris Stark: I thought Giggs was just as good who are you giving the Oscar to there which one I thought Everett's performance wasn't bad

1:04:16Sids: I thought the groundsman at the start was really no the groundsman

1:04:20Gary Oldman: were pretty good I'd have to give that to Giggs

1:04:22Sids: Giggs yeah okay yeah

1:04:25Gary Oldman: I I've never seen that no I don't ever want to see it again

1:04:36Sids: just sticking on Man United for the for the the next two two minutes just really quickly you often play the the the tough guy the villain if you could throw one of your characters into the Man United dressing room now to throw a rocket in that shit show, who would it be?

1:05:01Gary Oldman: Well, I think what they need is they need a Churchill in there.

1:05:05Chris Stark: Oh, there you go. Good show. Yeah. They've had so many managers, haven't they? And they're not all bad managers, you know, since Alex Ferguson left, you know, Moyes, Mourinho, Van Gaal. Yeah. They're not all bad managers. As you say, it's the team identity

1:05:20Peter Crouch: and the churn and the change. Yeah, nothing develops.

1:05:24Gary Oldman: Yeah, that's, I mean, that I think I've, just speaking personally, overall, as an overall thing, I think that's the problem with modern football.

1:05:43Gary Oldman: And then you've got a run of, you know, even though they just lost, but you've got like that magnificent run of Liverpool and, and, but, uh, I, yeah, it's, it's too, it's, they come, they go, they're there that, and you, you look at, you look back in back, back yesteryear where players were with the team for a long, long for often for the, Well, Gary Neville's, that's his whole career, isn't it? With Man U. Yeah. Yeah. And Charlton was even with the Busby Babes. He was in the Munich air crash, survived.

1:06:39Gary Oldman: Now, I heard a whisper, a rumor, Southgate. That's what we were discussing before.

1:06:46Peter Crouch: potentially yeah what's your take on that Gary?

1:06:50Gary Oldman: well I can't say I'm thrilled fair enough

1:06:59Chris Stark: he was England wasn't he? yeah he was no I was I was under Capello oh yeah Clarence Van Gogh and Ericsson yeah I had a five year spell just before yeah you were that's true yeah do you do you watch much of England yeah when they

1:07:21Gary Oldman: when they're on Euros yeah when yeah this last go round was very promising wasn't it and then as they say so close so close yeah that's us yeah

1:07:38Chris Stark: what's next for you Gary are you just doing slow horses is that you are you concentrating solely on that I am at the moment

1:07:48Gary Oldman: It's pretty much six, seven months, eight months of my year. I get a break and then I'm enjoying it. I enjoy very much playing the character, but the team, the actors and the crew and it's it's been one of the most uh enjoyable jobs i've had really the the group of people that we work with and those actors are just up diamond they're they're lovely lovely people so i feel very well you know i feel very lucky to this my age and my this time in my career to to land something like this um good scripts good source material and and coming in every day and working with a really nice bunch of people

1:08:46Peter Crouch: oh it's so so sorry just just i've got my everything right in my head series six is filmed that's that's done series seven is it is a is about two series five's out now

1:09:01Gary Oldman: I can see eyes all looking desperate at one another.

1:09:05Peter Crouch: Like, oh my God, he's let the... And series eight will 100 % happen at some point, Gary.

1:09:11Chris Stark: And Sir Alex Ferguson and Peter Crouch are going to be in the next series.

1:09:15Gary Oldman: And listen, if you want to... Please get Crouchy on. I'll hold you to it. I'll have to hold you to it. All right, we'll see what we can do. Slow horses, mate. We get both of you in. You could be sort of just walking down the high street, little and large. I've seen a cafe, no problem. No, I've got to be careful. I have to be careful sometimes about spoilers and things. And I once let the cat out of the bag when I was doing the Dark Knight trilogy. And I was at one of these events. And, of course, it's the studio's prerogative to announce when they announce. It's up to them. and um and i just i stupidly someone said is there going to be a batman 3 and i went and i'd already read the script you know and i went yeah there's good and of course it was not official so i got into lots of trouble

1:10:20Gary Oldman: so but season seven we're good aren't we we we know that we know there's a season lots of thumbs up.

1:10:27Chris Stark: That's good.

1:10:27Gary Oldman: Apple TV Plus, right? Apple TV Plus. Okay.

1:10:31Chris Stark: Yeah. Alright. You know what we said about letting the cat out of the bag, actually? We did that with Rod Stewart. We had Rod Stewart on the podcast and he was doing the gig, was it, Glasswood? That's right. And I think he was just chatting about getting Ronnie Wood up and I don't think it had been announced that he was getting Ronnie Wood to play with him.

1:10:45Gary Oldman: Yeah, and he was going to surprise the audience.

1:10:48Chris Stark: Yeah, and he just said it on the pod with him.

1:10:52Peter Crouch: Gary, what's worrying is when we were chatting to him, we didn't even notice that he let something out of the back somehow he got

1:10:58Chris Stark: in the paper or something he'd be like alright ok I missed that bit ok what do you

1:11:02Sids: do outside when you to relax so like so Roger just reminded me there so Roger he builds these train sets and Idris Elba does like DJing doesn't need to sort of relax what do you what's your interest outside my

1:11:16Gary Oldman: sort of for relaxation I'm just looking up there a picture of you conducting is that

1:11:25Chris Stark: is that I really wish we'd look around Gary please don't look around eyes down Gary please

1:11:31Gary Oldman: okay eyes down alright I'll look down here it's a long story yeah don't ask about the rubber hand

1:11:37Chris Stark: yeah yeah

1:11:38Gary Oldman: I noticed the rubber hand but I thought I better not say and there's a drawing oh

1:11:46Chris Stark: this is a good story it moves quickly very quickly should we grab it for this one here um I mean there's so much we can talk to you about. This one here, this is Steve Sidwell's professional contract at Fulham. That was Chelsea, wasn't it?

1:12:01Sids: Yeah, it might be Chelsea, yeah.

1:12:03Chris Stark: But on the back, but he basically, on the back of his contract, we did an episode about contracts. On the back of the contract, he just doodled that drawing.

1:12:13Sids: I don't know why. I mean, that is officially my contract that I signed with the football club and I don't know how, but I was doodling on the back. and you're into art, Gary, right? Yourself? I do. I mean, what do you make of that?

1:12:27Chris Stark: This is a fantastic piece. I'd like a psychiatrist.

1:12:33Chris Stark: I don't know what you see, but like, to me, it's almost like a chicken laying a leg. It could be a chicken.

1:12:40Gary Oldman: I see this as a sort of, that's a big round body with a sort of head with a thick neck and the two stick legs. Yeah. And that... Could be anything. They dropped off a crown, I suppose. What do I do to relax? My hobby is 19th century photography, meaning collodion silver wet plate, which is the sort of the first early years of photography where the sort of chemistry for it hasn't really changed since like the 1850s. So, and that involves pouring basically in layman's terms, I guess it's like liquid film and you pour it over a tin plate or glass and then it goes into silver nitrate and then you take the photograph and it and you and you have to develop it while it's wet hence wet plate and it goes through a series of trays and um and and then you come up with a you have an image so do you have the drawing room yeah you have to yeah it goes on a rack and yeah and i have a i have a dark room

1:14:11Chris Stark: have you got it out there the photographs that you take is it is there a book you can get or

1:14:18Gary Oldman: um i took actually there was a you know that um man united did uh a limited sort of tracksuit shirt edition of the of the benfica george best edition yeah and there was a book that accompanied the the collection and i went to united um and and took the pictures of the players with with a lens that was from 1870 on an old on an old camera so my some of my photographs are in that book along with my actual wife who took behind the scenes pictures um uh yeah but not i i do it for me yeah i people say oh what about doing an exhibition or something i'm okay with just

1:15:18Peter Crouch: the world doesn't have to see it it's nice to have some things for yourself as well yeah yeah

1:15:25Gary Oldman: it's just very relaxing have fun with it

1:15:29Chris Stark: well Gary listen it's an absolute privilege and honour to have you on genuinely and you know you've given so many people so much joy with all the work that you've done and you know deserved obviously to be knighted which will be very exciting for you enjoy the day

1:15:44Sids: enjoy the day it's going to start early

1:15:47Chris Stark: yeah it's an early one but it's a real privilege to have you on our podcast it's a real

1:15:54Gary Oldman: it's an honor to spend time with you and be part of this thank you so much

1:16:02Peter Crouch: thank you lovely to meet you Gary thank you

1:16:05Chris Stark: Slow Horses on Apple TV Plus Series 5 yep out now okay