June Angelides on Making Careers Fit Motherhood, Getting an MBE and building The Portfolio Method

29:20June Angelides:I think anyone you bring onto your cap table should be your choice. I think you shouldn't walk into the room thinking that the investor is doing you a favor. And I think with every one of these women who've come in and we've backed them, they knew they had options. And actually, they were very picky about who they were letting into their cap table. I think that level of pickiness is really feminine and it's powerful because you as an investor realize that you know they got choices and on the flip side of that you are one of only a handful as far as I'm aware women of color in the UK that work in VC on a senior level has there been times where you've felt that more acutely yeah I mean I remember when I was thinking about my what next So when I hit 40, I wasn't sure.

30:16June Angelides:I was like, do I carry on? You know, it takes a long time to know whether you're actually a good venture capitalist. They say it takes you 10 years minimum. And as a multi-hyphenate with all these other interests, I always had this question mark as to how long would I be an investor? And for the longest time, people have said, oh, you need to set up your own fund. And I felt that pressure because they're like, well, you know, you're one of a handful of black female investors and you ought to be setting up a fund. And I had to really sit with that because there was a part of me that didn't feel like that was really me.

30:57But then there was also the other part that felt, gosh, it's it's is it my responsibility?

31:03June Angelides:Am I supposed to do this? Yeah. is it up to me to kind of you know make this work and it's it can feel like quite a heavy burden sometimes um because if you you know I've been lucky to have a quite a big platform so I know I'm visible and I feel like yeah the expectations are quite high sometimes and sometimes you just want to be normal I be allowed to kind of mess up and do other things that excite me as well. So yeah, that sense of responsibility and duty definitely feel that quite a lot. What did you decide to do about the VC? It was very hard. So when I turned 40, I first of all asked, and I've been told that this is not even a real sabbatical because I only asked for like, I asked for a month off and they're like, what?

31:55June Angelides:That's not a real sabbatical. But I did ask for a month off that year so um I took that to just really reflect and as part of that I actually asked to work with this incredible sort of transition coaching guru I absolutely adore her and they approved that which I was so grateful for so I worked with her in that period trying just to understand and take a step away from the pressure the duty so I really switched off I turned off all my social, I turned off my LinkedIn. And I just took time for me just to kind of get back to the crux of who am I? What do I enjoy? What I want to spend the next sort of 10 years doing?

32:36June Angelides:Because we are all in go, go, go mode. And again, I wasn't having any more kids to slow me down. So I had to figure out another way to do it. And, you know, it was really reflective. We had series of exercises that we did together and and I think that ultimately where I landed was I don't want to run a fund and it was weird to finally kind of draw a line under that because the expectation maybe even before going into that process was that maybe I did and then finally accepting that that was somebody else's dream and that was the community's dream it was mine so it took a you know it took a while to feel comfortable saying it out loud but the minute I did I felt this huge sense of relief and then it really came down to well what does what does it look like how do I still engage with the world of venture capital and this was how I reframed and came up with this venture partner role where I'm more fractional but I still get to do the things I love I still get to support the companies that I love backing I'm still an angel investor but I think my identity was something that I was a bit nervous about like oh who am I if I'm not June the investor June the VC and reconciling with there are so many other ways to still get the job done and the things that I care about because the reason I came into VC has not changed and I'm just doing that in lots of different other ways.

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35:58And what exactly is the portfolio method?

36:01June Angelides:to two years ago, you know, when I turned 40, I think I had this feeling that the rest of my jigsaw was going to kind of fall into place because I made the decision then I transitioned then into two days at Samos and I had all this free time. And I was like, surely like lots of things are going to come up because I've always had the speaking, the jobs with female narratives, a bit of consulting on the side, advisory work, writing I wrote for the FT. So I've always had lots of things going on at the same time and then when I made the decision I was like surely that will just fill up my time and then there was a drought it was a very serious drought and I'm not gonna lie it was very very uncomfortable because in my mind I'm thinking oh boy what what have I done I had all these plans that I would fill up my calendar and for the first time in a long time a lot of free time a lot of free time I did not tell people this by the way because I had to sit with myself and accept this free time and use it to rest so the ideas were not flowing I didn't know what sort of business I was going to create eventually I knew that I wanted to but for whatever reason, I was not inspired.

37:25June Angelides:You know, working with my coach, we really had to work on me promising that, first of all, I wouldn't be giving my time away for free. I wouldn't be just filling up my days for the sake of filling up. And I had to really sit with this. I had to go into the season of just sort of acceptance and just slowing down and learning to just enjoy enjoy the moments and also even though when you know there were moments where some speaking things would come up but maybe they weren't paid and had to just be like no and that was hard because you have to set your bar you have to know what it is that you're going for and also not not confuse people and I think very often we're tempted to lower the bar when the things that we want aren't coming.

38:17June Angelides:And I have to keep reminding myself. And again, you know, you can do coaching for so long, but you have to figure out how you're going to keep these tools within you. So I also, you know, just did things that I loved, like started going out dancing more, which I hadn't done in years. I started reading more. I love my thrillers now and just making time for sort of creative things. And then in January this year, I was asked to do a session at Witsend. So Witsend is a group for senior women in tech that I'm a part of on sort of running different side hustles, as it were. Because, you know, I guess people know that I do lots of things alongside being an investor.

38:59June Angelides:So I said, OK, I'll do a session. And I was meant to do it with another lady. she had the slides I was just meant to kind of be the you know her sidekick as I were it wasn't my main thing anyway morning of 8 a.m I get a call she can't make it and I'm like holy moly what am I gonna do okay it is what it is things happen for a reason it gets to the time where you know meant to run this workshop. I have her slides, but I don't know them. They're not my slides. And I just started talking and I realized I know more about this than I thought. And I was like, oh, I got this. So I'm like, shut the slides.

39:42June Angelides:I keep talking. And I think it felt very comfortable. I was forced to just sort of realize like I had what it took to talk about my portfolio career. I've actually been doing this for 10 years now. So why did I think that I couldn't tell people about what has worked for me? What is my toolkit? I think we often forget that we know ourselves, but sometimes articulating it is where we may struggle. But in the moment, in being forced to just get on with it, I did it. And I think that was the aha moment for me. That's when things shifted this year. started thinking about the content and started thinking about what I wish I knew at the start of my portfolio career and came up with this thought that wow I wish there was an operating system for people like me that have all these income streams and very often feel very burnt out because you're being pulled in so many different directions from an energy perspective you don't know what to charge the number of times like a speaking job comes and I'm like I have no idea what to charge for this there just wasn't any specific toolkit that addressed all these issues visibility and and the personal brand piece is interesting because I think in our society the way capitalism is modeled is like choose one track do that track to the highest possible level like be ceo be founder be oscar winning actor it's you're not really encouraged to have like six different revenue streams because how do you then what are you called how do you position yourself well exactly um and i think you know the the phrase jack of all trade master of none is the one that comes to mind and i think it has such a negative connotation i think people are nervous to show that they do more than one thing they're worried they're not going to be taken seriously and I often say that you know this is probably something that I think about on a regular basis like when I'm in Samos mode I'm 100 % in Samos mode and this is why one of the tools that we we talk about is you know the container days so on a Samos day fully focused right I don't break it otherwise your mind cannot handle the attention residue there's a lot of like neuroscience behind all of this and you'll find that if you're you know switching between too many different types of tasks in a day there's like a context switching tax that you pay because your brain just can't handle you need like a reset um in between so I do try and be very disciplined about you know sticking to the roles and that's one of the things that we're building in so I ran a three-hour workshop at Huckle Tree which I put together in three weeks with the help of some amazing people um built a workbook designed the the lesson I've never delivered a lesson before so it was um it was quite an experience I guess in reminding me that I can do a lot of things if I put my mind to it my energy to it I think um it's very easy to forget when we're in sort of go go go mode I think taking time to challenge ourselves to do things that are probably out of our day-to-day is really important to remember your superpowers.

43:14June Angelides:And I loved it. You know, we had 48 women turn up on the day and off the back of that, decided to start building the tech that would actually get this to scale. So I think maybe about two or three weeks after that launched you know the first version of the product which was the portfolio method audit where people give us their information around you know what are the different roles they do what drains them what gives them energy whether they've thought about how they charge if they know where to go look for these rates and it's been mind-blowing just to kind of see like we're getting like 600 people landing on our website is the traffic is insane people are doing these audits and they're taking action from the report.

44:03June Angelides:So I'm like, why did I do this sooner? I think there's a part of me that thinks that, but maybe, you know, when we talk about timing, this is the moment. This has been, you know, back to your initial comment around, you know, when we reconnected recently and my grandmother, I am so convinced that it is my grandma. I'm very spiritual in that regard. I really believe in signs and a Thanksgiving, party I went to I never pull tarot cards but at this party my friend was like go pull go there's a lady there go pull a card and it was the matriarch and oh my goodness I can't explain the the way I felt when I saw that and I was like explain like what do you what do you mean what does this card mean for me she goes oh that you know there's the women before you that are guiding you and telling you that you know you need to like listen and trust your your instincts and I thought oh my god she knows she knew she knew I was that was the moment and then January I'm like sitting in a bath and next minute I just kind of get this gush of like energy in it I just felt like my mom was there and that was when I decided to finish that book because the book had been floating in the family for like years my mom passed away four years ago the book was when to be ready before she died and it just kind of was in limbo nobody was owning it so I said you know what I'm gonna finish that book and I reached out to my mom and my sister and I said why don't we just do it together why don't we just finish editing it'd been written but it needed like a ton of to your point like it needs someone to lead the fray nobody was doing it so we said you know as a trio we're gonna give it our best shot we were not professional editors so we roped in a developmental editor but I think it was in that exercise that I sort of remembered sort of how special we are as a unit it was always mama my mom my sister and I kind of doing everything together because our house were literally just next to each other so I spent most of the day in mama's house with my sister and after work mom would come back, collect us, and we'd go up, have dinner.

46:21June Angelides:I'd come back down and watch movies of the Mars. So we were always so intertwined. So I just felt like that energy shifted. And ever since the minute we started working on the book, I feel like it's been one good thing after the other, but the doors just kept opening and the ideas kept pouring in. But that was the thing. And of course, her book was called The Murray Bruce Matriarch. So Matriarch came up again. I mean, you're in flow. In flow, 100%. And to your point there that you just mentioned about like, I'm older, is this the right time? There were some stats that you shared around the average age women career pivot is 39.

47:02They start a business, the average age is 42, become millionaires at 49. And the creative peak is in their early 50s. I found this extraordinary as, of course, media sells us this idea of like the young entrepreneur started a business in college, Forbes 30 under 30. What do you think that that really shows? And obviously to your personal story, like you're like you're in that time now.

47:28June Angelides:As my kids are getting older, my youngest is now eight. My eldest is coming up to 14. It feels a lot easier. They get it. They know why I'm putting in the hours. They're excited. my daughter is always like I mean look at my nails like they they're recommending nail art because of the portfolio method I've got my lightning bolt and they they love it they they see what is possible so they are fueling me as well to go faster and I am so up for being a millionaire by 49 I feel like that is 100 % the dream um but it's it's definitely you know the seasons it is it is easier as the kids are leaving the house again to kind of pick up the pace and why do you think that that is such little known data like why why why is my preconception of this like young yes stays up all night kind of founder if the reality is actually that women are starting businesses in their 40s and they're becoming millionaires in their late 40s is it just that it's happening quietly it's happening without so much showing off i think the press obviously loves to hype up the male founders i don't think we get enough around female founders that are doing really good jobs um they do exist you know we've got some brilliant founders in our portfolio but i guess you know the competition is so much they're just heads down their heads down they're building away but it's just so much easier to do it later on in your career um just again you're you're wiser you know what you stand for you know this thing of negotiating asking for what you deserve to to build the business I think that's that gets easier over time um that confidence I think people like Debbie Bosco talk about this a lot it just gets so much easier to to ask for what you need as an older woman you know I feel that now there's probably less of a desire for that same kind of PR media piece of it and maybe also the media wants the like young beautiful fate you know our entire world is built on an idea of beauty that is like young youth all of those things and they're just less interested in that story even though it's statistically much more common I agree um you've done so many extraordinary things in business for women in non-profit for family for friends on top of everything you managed to find time for the people that you care about the stage mom whatever I don't know what the terminology is for what you do but for your three children um Adam Iris and Ivy you manage their the work that they do so how did that begin because they've done acting and modeling and all kinds of different things how did that start what have been some of the crazy scenarios that you've been in that you're like can't believe I'm doing this and also is that something you want to continue or are you a bit wary of oh but when they become teenagers I don't necessarily know if I want them surrounded by like the modeling industry for example that was a good question and we fell into it completely by accident Ivy was such a vivacious little girl.

50:50June Angelides:And my brother-in-law was working in a media company. And he said, you need to just sign her up because, you know, we're working with this brilliant agent called Sally King. And she's got lots of really cool jobs. So we did. And two weeks later, she got her first role. And that was David Copperfield. Wow. It was a bit wild because she didn't have to audition. It was a non-speaking role. But she was his daughter. which was it was it was pretty straight in there oh my goodness so in terms of probably the wildest set that I've been on you know sitting next to Armando Iannucci and Dev Patel and Tilda Swinton and Hugh Lowry it was um quite wild I mean they're just lovely people in general you know they're just doing their job as my dad was an actor as well so he always reminded me that actors are just regular people doing a job.

51:44June Angelides:He very often, you know, he do really cool roles with people like Harrison Ford. And I beg to be on set. He'd be like, no, no, you're not doing any of that. They're just normal people. So I had a little bit of obviously a fangirl moment with some of these roles that they've got. Adam, you know, he got into it a little bit later, probably about nine. His first thing was The Apprentice, like they had many apprentice and and he absolutely loved it it's it's great because it helps build their confidence you know back to your question around would I want them to do this forever they have a choice you know the beauty of this is it's building their savings you know they they're very savvy so from a young age obviously we set them up with their bank accounts so all their earnings from their modeling and acting goes to their accounts and we review it together on a monthly basis and they go through and they know what they're making they know the interest they've got junior ices so they can't touch it they get very cross that they're not allowed to touch it but I'm like look it's growing it's compounding so we talk about money they know why they do it you know but it means for me that after a busy day in the office I'm coming home I'm I'm getting the scripts from the agents and you know we're rehearsing and I'm having to do the self-tapes back in the day was trickier because it mean coming back from the office and taking them back into town for the auditions because they used to be in person thankfully now it's videos but it means I'm a professional video editor because I'm having to you know clip and you know get them ready and film and get the lighting right but they love it you know especially when they get to do stuff together which they have in the past in fact I did a little cameo with them in Love at First Sight which was on Netflix I think it's still on actually I had to be the um the mom with the stressed out kids I was like that's very easy I you know I the question of burnout is something we talk about on the show and I get the sense that like you don't maybe get so much burnout but that you're much more able to understand and regulate and know like I'm reaching my capacity and you know even in that job interview like being able to say this is what I'm actually able to offer you rather than overextending.

54:00And I think too many people, I don't know if it comes from a sense of people pleasing, if it comes from a sense of expectation, societal, cultural, like the ways that we're taught that work should be overwhelming and all of these things and we should be busy. But so I guess I'm wondering, how do you stop and regulate? Is there a part of you, maybe you feel it maybe it's an embodied experience that tells you I'm working too much I need to slow down and and what are the tools that you take to do that yes and I think you know it's really important to admit that I am a professional people pleaser and I learned the hard way so I did experience

54:42June Angelides:severe burnout while running mums and tech so that was a time where you know I was giving everything. I didn't know when to stop. I was obsessed with this idea of building the best business possible. I didn't switch off at the weekends. I just remember even the kids saying to me, oh, mommy, put your laptop down. And I just, I would take it everywhere. I was always on it. And when I stopped and I crashed, I developed type 2 diabetes and I'm positive that it's had result because you know it's all down to cortisol levels my cortisol levels were super high you know running running the business I wasn't sleeping well because I was trying to catch the moments you know when baby's sleeping I should be sleeping too but then I was working so I know I really like dysregulated my whole body in that period and it took sort of getting to that low point from a health perspective and realizing something's got to change.

55:46June Angelides:I think when they tell you once or twice about all the things that could happen if you do develop diabetes, it's a big wake up call. I'm like, I don't want to lose my vision. I don't want to have my feet amputated. I think it was really scary. I think I was petrified and I was surprised that I was on that path. It made me realized I need to look after myself and I started taking my rest really seriously after that I I had to develop tools that I knew that I was realistically going to be able to follow because I think there's one thing in following someone else's toolkit and right if you can't stick to it there's just no point so something simple like swapping taking the car and walking instead getting a Fitbit so that I could track my steps and make sure that I'm actually doing the walks on a regular basis keeping myself accountable, making sure I sleep on time and saying, okay, well, this is my cutoff for being on a computer, not going out too many times during the week.

56:49June Angelides:There was a period where I was saying yes to every event. I think I did not know how to say no. So that was something I had to learn that build that muscle of saying no. So now I won't do more than two or three evening events and I'll never do it back to back if I can avoid it. Really being picky about, you know, where I spend my time, who I spend my time with as well, because I think just being hyper aware of what drains me and what gives me energy, spending more time outdoors, that's super key. I love the countryside. In another world, I will have a country estate. That's the dream. But making sure you know I go into the parks and just enjoy nature making time for just having a bath something as simple as that I have a bath now minimum four times a week nice and I really invest in my bath oils I invest in my Epsom salts little things it doesn't have to cost a fortune these are things that help me stay centered if I feel like I'm starting to get overwhelmed I have no qualms about cancelling things and I think that's something that I would have struggled to do in the past but it's not going to help anyone if I crash and burn.

58:01And so what does success look like for you now? What's your working definition of success at the moment?

58:08June Angelides:Honestly it's joy and I think you can't really experience joy if you're running around without sort of a clear a plan of like what gives you joy. I have this picture canvas that I look at every day by the things that give me joy. So it's music, it's theatre, it's obviously the family. So we make a lot of time for a family game time. The friendships, making time for all of that, making sure that one doesn't sort of overwhelm the other. I think I'm very intentional about sort of carving out time to do the things that like make me happy going to places that inspire me making time for all making time to rest um yeah just more intentionality about how I want to live I think rather than let sort of life take charge me being and I need to be in charge and that's when I feel like I'm leading a successful life I'm being super intentional about how I spend my time.

59:17June Angelides:Like that time is something I don't joke with anymore. Let's take it back to the last time we saw each other. Your grandmother's memorial was extraordinary. There was some very serious executive senior women there. It was at the Ivy. There was a host. People gave talks. The most amazing speeches. I cried pretty much the entire time. There was a real published book that was at the time trending on Amazon. You launched a charity off the back of that event. And there was a brand. This is the part that like blew my mind the most. My mom loved a particular skincare brand. You got that brand CMO to be there.

59:58That brand gave out goodie bags. I mean, it was the most like June experience that I could like imagine. And you turn that memorial into a whole production in a way that I now hope makes a lot more sense um why did you decide to do it that way

1:00:17June Angelides:so kind of going back to my my brain my my brain is something I've you know over the years been trying to understand that's I'm really obsessed with sort of neuroscience but I'm like a dog with a bone when I get this idea and and and that's how I felt with with the book when we got started I was all in and I just kept thinking kind of back to that legacy I want everyone to know mama's story and we we were very intentional you know I say we as my mom my sister and I about how we wanted the world to experience mama to get to know this incredible woman who grew up in Nigeria lived in or nearly 15 different states with moving her family like the von Trapp family and I guess I'm never afraid to ask the question and there was no reason Yardley had to say yes because they didn't know me from anywhere they didn't know mama and but I felt I ought to ask so I remember when I thought of what I wanted the celebration of mama to look like I literally went back to her dressing table which is where you know mama and I spent a lot of time And I just remember always thinking a Yardley bottle is there.

1:01:38June Angelides:And that's what she wore throughout. Every time I'd go back to Lagos on holiday, I'd get her a bottle of Yardley. And I thought, well, if there was a brand that really symbolizes Mama to me and reminds me of Mama, it's Yardley. So I messaged Karen on LinkedIn, probably four weeks into sort of accepting this challenge of editing the book and starting to put together. what the event might look like and said, look, this is the story of my grandma. We're putting together an event to honor her and to celebrate the book that we're releasing into the world. We'd love you to be a part of it. And she jumped on a call literally a few days later, told her the story.

1:02:23And on that call, she was like, we're in the energy that I felt.

1:02:27June Angelides:Again, it was that thing of mama was with us in that call and it was meant to be. If you told me even four weeks prior that we'd be able to have a conversation with Yardley, the Yardley, I would have thought no chance. You know, why would they care about, you know, this family from Nigeria? But it felt like it was meant to be. And when I tell you the conversations were easy, you know, they really gave us everything we needed. They gave us access to their PR company. We collaborated. It was a true collaboration. And in every sense of the word, you know, the word because they could see our intentions were pure.

1:03:05June Angelides:It wasn't a commercial exercise. It was let's get women together in a room. We want to hear the stories of their grandmothers, of their mothers, of the women who have shaped their lives, because we know that these stories exist. And I know I wouldn't be where I am without mama, without my mom, without my sister. And I really believe in this feminine energy and how when we do decide to lift each other up. And I I think that's what we all felt in that room, you know, understanding how everyone's life had been impacted by some woman in her family who'd cheered her on and believed in her and kind of been there to hear her stories when things were tough.

1:03:49June Angelides:And that was mama to me. So it was a privilege to have her story. And I heard by so many, as you say, amazing women, everyone in that room was unbelievable. and I just kept thinking they all know Mama, they know her story now and yeah it makes me so happy. But if you had to pick three key learnings that you got from her that stay as kind of one-liners or things. Mama was incredible at forgiving and as someone who struggled with that over time I always remember how the things that she had to put up with you know she married young, She entered a family, just tricky dynamics in some ways with some of the extended family.

1:04:36June Angelides:But she carried herself with such grace that, like, goodness, if Mama can do it, so can I, you know, because she just kind of decided that she wasn't going to let any negative energy affect her. You know, she had this incredible spirit of generosity. so even to those people who hadn't necessarily been the nicest to her she was always generous she would always have a plate of food ready for you she would always carry food across the world like mama wouldn't come to London with an empty suitcase it was like Tupperwares of you know yummy food from home and she always thought about others so that sense of generosity which is more importantly that humility you know mama was not a show-off and I talk about this all the time and you know there's there's a difference in kind of having power but that you know you don't have to like flaunt it but mama would tell you know precedence something and we'll do it but you know she didn't advertise that in any way but she carried herself with such grace that it's like when she finally said something you you listen because you knew that the intention behind it was pure and you didn't question it because it's like she's not going to ask you to do something that's bad for you and and that's how I think of her I love that and I think so much of that shines through in your character and your story and I hope people have gotten to know a little bit more about June and the last question that I ask everybody um to kind of tie that together is if I had to watch one film or read one book or go look at one piece of art, have some kind of cultural experience that would help me know you better, what would it be?

1:06:28June Angelides:I mean, the book that changed my life a lot was probably Mindset. I think it's important that people recognize that, you know, we all have this power within us and actually how we see the world, decide to see the world determine sort of you know whether we really step into our power and the moment I read that book I recognize Carol Dweck mindset by Carol Dweck yeah I feel like that book genuinely you know we always have this little whisper in our ear telling us oh we can't do these things and you need to learn to decide what is the information that you're truly going to accept and decide what steps to take next but you're in charge and I think that's what this book reminded me that you know I can take charge of these voices and decide what I do next yeah you are the cavalry you have to be the cavalry yourself in your life is there anything else that we haven't covered on the theme of slowing down redefining success that you feel an urge to share or well I think it's so important that people make time I know we're all very busy I think make time to know yourself.

1:07:41June Angelides:I think it's very easy. We consume so much. We all listen to other people's stories, but make time to understand what actually drives you, what makes you happy. Don't just copy paste. I think it's very easy in today's culture to see someone who's a couple steps ahead of you and feel that sense of jealousy or worry that, oh, I'll never catch up. But actually have you thought about your path might be different and I think it's very important that we we trust our gut and don't be afraid to try thank you so much June thank you Tiana thank you for tuning in this episode was hosted and created by me Tiana Tambridge produced by Lulu Goad sound and video production and recorded at Brazen Studios cover art design by Natalia Ruhe.

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