183. Joe Rogan: On Trump Interview, Media Manipulation, UFC Journey, & De-Extinction

18:21Gary Brecka:Yeah, this is crazy. And so when you're out there, you, I remember you talking about, um, fear factors being like something you thought would never take off. Yeah, I did it. You're like, this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I'm like, we're going to stick dogs on people and make them eat dicks. Yeah. I'm in. And cockroaches. All I was thinking, like, this is going to be great material. I'm going to have some great material out of this. I love the show. What finally blew it up? They did some stunt that was, like, inappropriate, but I forget what it was. Well, that was the second time we did it.

18:52So we did it for six years. So we did 148 episodes for six years. Then we came back again. I think it was 2011 because my youngest daughter was one at the time. and that was six episodes and then they made them drink donkey cum. They had to play horseshoes to see how much donkey cum you had to drink. And there's only been two times when I did that show where I told the producers, hey, man, you can't do this. This is like. And that was one of them. I mean, first of all, the first thing that comes to mind, obviously,

19:28Gary Brecka:is how do you get donkey cum? Yeah, well, you actually use a cattle prod, and you stick it up the donkey's butt, and then whee, you shock their prostate, and they just bust. And then you collect it, and then you get some poor kid who's got credit card debt, and that kid is on Fear Factor to try to pay off his credit card debt, generally. dude i gotta be i want to be like i want to be a fly on the room i mean on the wall in the in the producer's room it was a fun room i got i got a great idea guys yeah okay we're gonna take a cattle prod well the problem was the second time we did it we're gonna make back so we stopped doing it in 2007 and it didn't even really get canceled i mean i guess it got canceled because they never did it again but it would just they just stopped doing it we did so many of them was just everyone was worn out we like i said we did 148 episodes in six years and then um they waited like five years and then i get this phone call do you want to do fear factor again i was like oh my god are you guys serious and then i went in to meet with them it's going to be better than ever and this and that and only you can host it and and uh you know my kids were young at the time i was like i probably could use this money all right let's do it and again i was like this time i was right I was like, this is not going to last.

20:52And I was correct that time. Because they were going way too far the second time. Because they were trying to make it bigger and crazier than ever. I'm like, someone's going to get hurt. Luckily, no one really did. But the other time that I said, don't do it, other than the donkey jizz, was they had to ride bulls. When they had to ride bulls, I was like, don't do this. Yeah, yeah.

21:13Gary Brecka:Somebody's going to really get hurt. This is so funny. Did they do that episode? Yeah, they did that episode. Really? We just got lucky that no one got hurt. Yeah. I mean, you can get really jacked up. Oh, yeah. These are real bulls too, man. And nobody knew what they were doing riding a bull. No. Oh, God. They'd say, hold on. Like, okay. Like, that was the height of reality TV in the 2000s. Yeah, it was the justice of it, really. So Survivor was the big one, right? So Survivor happened first, and everybody was all into these reality shows. And there was a show called Now or Neverland that was in Holland.

21:48And NBC purchased that or Endemol purchased that show and then brought it to America and changed the name to Fear Factor.

21:56Gary Brecka:Wow. So what time does the early commentating for the UFC? 97. I started, yeah, before Fear Factor. While I was on news radio, Campbell McLaren, who was one of the producers of the UFC, was good friends with my manager, Jeff. And they were just having a conversation about how they needed a new post-fight interviewer because they got rid of the guy they had. And Jeff was like, Joe loves the UFC. And I was like, first I was, you know, I watched it. You couldn't even get it on cable TV. It was banned from cable. So you had to get direct TV to get it because they like Budweiser and John McCain. They were doing some shady shit to ban it.

22:43They were human cockfighting. And they contacted me and said, we need someone to be a post fight interview. And I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. And then I went to Dothan, Alabama. We were supposed to do it in, I think it was Albany, New York. Albany or Buffalo.

23:00Gary Brecka:Because it wasn't sanctioned, right? I mean, obviously. No, it was also, it was New York State bandit. like right before we did it. So we got sent down. They, they had a backup plan. The backup plan was Alabama. So we went to this, uh, place in Dothan, Alabama. That was UFC 12. Oh my God. 1997. And I did that for about two years, but it was actually at the time it was actually costing me money because I would do the UFC and I couldn't do comedy that weekend. So I was making more money doing comedy, but I really loved doing it. But I was like, this is not going anywhere. And it wasn't getting anywhere as far as cable.

23:38Like they were really banned. And then what happened was the Fertitta brothers and Dana came along and purchased it in 2001.

23:49Gary Brecka:And what UFC was that? Well, I came back UFC 37 and a half was the first time I did commentary. Before that, I was just doing post-fight interviews. And what happened was that was 2001. And, uh, it was, uh, they were on Fox sports for the first time. It was like a best damn sports show period. Remember that show? Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. They had, uh, uh, an episode that they did where they, they did the UFC on Fox and it was like a big thing to have it on Fox sports. Yeah, but it was sanctioned then? It was sanctioned in Vegas, yeah. Ah, okay. So what happened was, you know, the Fertittas were very wealthy.

24:32And one of the things my friend Eddie Bravo and I, we'd always said was, you know what the sport needs? Like, we love the sport. What the sport needs is someone to come along that has a ton of money, that just can throw a bunch of money at it, and then just show the world how great it is. And then it'll just become successful. And that's what happened. Like the Fertittas came along, these billionaire guys who loved the sport and were training in the sport. And Dana, and they just came along and put it together. And Dana and I became friends because he was, you know, like inviting celebrities to come.

25:07And this is when I was hosting Fear Factor and it was the number one show in the world. And he was like, why don't you come and see the fights? I'd be like, I'd love to. When are you having them? It's in Vegas. Then he and I would get together and I'd go, what about this fight? do you know about this guy have you ever watched these guys fight in japan do you know about pride do you know about fedor milianenko have you ever seen all these and i was like naming all these different fighters and he and then he saw he found a tape somewhere of me on the keen and ivory wayne show making fun of like steven seagal or something like that and talking about the ufc yeah and then he goes would you do will you do commentary and i'm like i don't want to work man i go i just want to come and watch the fights honestly i don't because i was like i had already done that before yeah it was too much of a pain in the ass just getting the wine in your pockets either yeah it

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27:40so i did i did it for what just for dana because we're friends and then i want to still do i kept doing them and i did like the first like 13 or 14 of them i did for free after they bought it yeah i just i said okay let's just get get get me plane flights and get my friends tickets and i'll do it yeah and so i did a bunch of because they were hemorrhaging money yeah and you know i was friends with dana so he was telling me how much money they were losing i'm like oh jesus so by the time the UFC took off in 2005. They were in the hole. So I've been working for them for four years at the time. They were in the hole$40 million.

28:14Wow. Yeah. And this was this one thing where they did the Ultimate Fighter.

28:19Gary Brecka:They go, look, we're going to put together a reality show. They couldn't get it aired. They had to pay for all the sponsors. They had to bankroll the entire show. Wow. And they said, this is it. This is the one shot. And if this doesn't work, we're fucked. Yeah. It worked. and Forrest Griffin versus Stephen Bonner. I remember that fight. Crazy fight. It was so crazy that the whole world started tuning in. I remember he gave him both contracts at the end of the fight. I remember how brutal that fight was. It was such a close fight. It was a perfect fight to introduce people to the UFC. And then next thing you know, it became huge.

28:55Gary Brecka:Yeah, and back then it was like nobody was a full-time UFC fighter. They're like, it's Rich Franklin, a history teacher from... He's a math teacher. Or math teacher. and you're like, what? And this guy was a cop, a firefighter. Yeah, there was no full-time fighters at the time. Well, there's probably a few that figured it out. I think Frank Shamrock was full-time. There's a few guys that were legitimately full-time, but it was a hard way to make a living. And it was like human cockfighting. Nobody respected it. When I would tell my friends when I was working on news radio and I would tell my friends that I was going to do these UFC events, they're like, why are you doing that?

29:32Like you shouldn't be associated with that. It was almost like you're doing snuff films or something.

29:38Gary Brecka:Yeah, yeah, exactly. Why are you connecting yourself to something so shady? And then it just became the fastest growing sports in the world. I think it still is. It's probably, well, it's absolutely huge. I read something about the opening in Asia and that it returned it to the fastest growing sport in the world. So that was 20 years ago. So 20 years ago it popped. Wow. Yeah. And then you just never stopped. No. And, you know, there's rumors that, you know, you and Dana have been so loyal to each other that your contract in the USC was if one goes, you both go. That's mine. Yeah. Yeah. If they get rid of him, yeah, I'm gone.

30:17Gary Brecka:Wow. That's, you know, I find Dana to be one of the most loyal human beings in the world. He's done a lot for me. He's an awesome dude. I love him to death. I love him to death, too. He's just a great guy and the perfect guy to be at the head of such a chaotic sport because the sport is so crazy. It's like you need a maniac at the helm. And you also need somebody whose compass doesn't shift. I mean, you see all these reporters trying to knock him off track all the time, and he just puts him right back in check. Well, he doesn't give a fuck. He really doesn't. He has real fuck you money. And I've always said if you have fuck you money and you don't say fuck you, you're wasting all that fuck you money.

30:54because the only reason to have it is to be able to do whatever you actually want. Yeah. And the guy loves fights. He and I will have conversations where I'll call him up like 1 o 'clock in the morning and we'll have like a fight talk for like two hours. Really?

31:07Gary Brecka:Yeah, all the time. Yeah, he actually just loves the sport. Loves it. Yeah. He loves it. And he knows the sport. He loves it. Yeah. But he only watches the UFC, so I'm always telling him about all these guys that are fighting in Japan. This guy's fighting in Russia. You pay attention to this guy. And was that a big part of what helped build the UFC because you started grabbing people from like pride leagues and well they purchased pride that was the big thing is the ufc came along and purchased pride but they got screwed because really they just bought a tape library you know they thought they were buying all the fighters and the contracts but all the contracts were invalid so then they had to like restructure everything so that's why they never got fedor yeah um but you know they put out an amazing product and Japan was putting on, like, when they were doing Pride, Japan had 80 ,000 people showing up at these arenas.

31:57Gary Brecka:When the UFC was in relative obscurity, it was massive in Japan. I mean, absolutely massive. The Pride fight. Yeah, and to this day, they're some of the greatest fights of all time. You go watch the glory days of MMA and Pride. Not only did they have, like, soccer kicks and stomps on the ground, they also had no steroid testing at all. So everybody was sauce to the gills. and they looked it. It was a great product. Who is the big Hawaiian that just had that crazy overhand? I can't think of his name. He looks like the dude that's in Slap. I can't think of his name, but I just remember he had these insane.

32:32Gary Brecka:There's so many crazy characters that came out of that, like Tank Abbott and all these just crazy, bigger-than-life characters. I remember there was this one Greco-Roman wrestler with a mustache that used to just— Oh, yeah, Dan Severin. Yeah, Dan Salmon. Yeah. I mean, he looked like he was 50 years old. Well, Dan fought into his 50s. That's what I mean. Yeah, he did. He fought into his 50s. Like the scariest dad ever. You know what I mean? He had this big bushy hair, and he had this handlebar mustache, and he was kind of like super stoic, like Fedor Emelian Hinkoff. You know, he just kind of looked like he was bored to be there.

33:11And there's Don Fry. He had another great mustache. He was another one.

33:13Gary Brecka:Oh, I remember Don Fry, too. He fought in pride as well. He had some amazing fights in pride. Yeah. And then that Greco-Roman wrestling stuff was wild. The pick up and the reverse body slams, and he was just picking up these heavy things. Yeah, Greco was a particularly good wrestling style for MMA because it was a lot of clinch-based work. And when you're up against the cage, a guy who's really good at upper body clinches and controlling, like Randy Couture, he was a Greco guy as well. Yeah, so was Dan Henderson was Greco. Like a lot of these guys. I mean, they all had a background in everything.

33:45They could do all kinds of wrestling.

33:47Gary Brecka:but yeah randy fought pretty late too he was in his late 40s i actually remember his tooth flying out of the ring too yes um who was the leota machida he caught him with a jumping front kick front kick i'll never forget that i think that was in montreal yeah mouthpiece that was the it was in toronto maybe it was in toronto there was an enormous event we did that was like 60 000 people up there yeah i'm pretty sure it was toronto and you think like images like that helped it or hurt it i think it's it's kind of like slap you can't turn away well it's just brought other than except it was a fight where slap to me slap's not my thing no but the just standing there and letting a guy smack in the face is well you hold a foam roller behind your back i will watch it yeah i'll watch it but it's i i really prefer actual fights you know and if you if you flinch don't you get slapped again do you i think you get i think you get slapped again if you flinch why do they put the powder on their hand i think you're supposed to see the whole I think you got to see the whole handprint so you're not just palm striking or heel striking.

34:47Gary Brecka:There are some rules like, oh, feet have to stay on the ground. They have drug tests, which to me is hilarious. Like, drug those people up. Why are they sober? If you're getting slapped, you should be on meth. I think, first of all, that's not a coin toss you want to lose. I would always want to go first. A hundred percent. It doesn't make any sense. That's part of the strategy. That's part of the problem. It's like you have to be really good at coin tossing. My kids, Cole and Dylan used to play this game when they were growing up. And it was something like if I went to hit you and you flinched, I got a free punch.

35:22Oh, yeah.

35:23Gary Brecka:So it kind of slaps like kind of like that. Yeah. A lot of kids did that when I was young. Yeah. Two for flinching. Yeah. Two for flinching. That's what it was like. They draw back. And if you flinch, they got two shots. Yeah. And now they made a sport out of it, which I guess is perfect for social media because it's like the viral clips of just people. It's the perfect sport for TikTok. I say sport with air quotes. Yeah. And then the chick's doing it too. It just freaks me out. Yeah. Now, I actually read some science on... Brain damage? Well, I've read a lot of science on brain damage. But there are literally some science to having a beard.

35:59What?

35:59Gary Brecka:Do you know that? There is... A slight cushioning? It's like, you know, this friction coefficient and slightly decelerating the blow. Yeah, listen to me. If Alex Pereira punches you in your beard, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what your beard looks like. But I'd have a big old Santa Claus beard if I was going in there. There's a big Hawaiian heavyweight that has that big old beard. Yeah. Did you see Josh Emmett fought this past weekend? He has an enormous beard, like a big crazy one. How'd he do? He lost. Okay. It was a good fight, though. There goes the beard theory of fighting is now out the window.

36:30Gary Brecka:Yeah. I mean, there has been some crazy beards. So now you're doing commentary for the UFC. and at some point you decided to get into the podcast world. And what I found really fascinating was, you know, initial podcast. I think you guys had like 200 listeners. Maybe. And I went back and watched an old podcast with like Eddie Bravo. And you were pretty rusty back then. It was terrible. It was like, you guys wanted Eddie Bravo, here he is. And then you didn't really know what to say. If anybody's intimidated by podcasting, go back, watch my early ones. They're terrible. It's like anything else.

37:10You do it, you get better at it.

37:12Gary Brecka:Yeah, but what made you stick with that versus sticking with comedy, sticking with... I enjoyed it. What made you like... Because the point that I'm trying to get to is you embraced the suck. Yeah. You know? It didn't suck, though. I enjoyed it. I just thought it would be fun to have a little internet radio show and talk to my friends. It was not a career move by any stretch of the imagination. It was just fun. Like I always loved doing like the Opie and Anthony show and Howard Stern show. I loved doing radio shows. It's fun to be able to hang out with other comedians and talk shit and joke around.

37:49Gary Brecka:Yeah. So I decided to start doing it online. You know, I'd been on Tom Green had his little internet show that he did from his living room. I was like, oh, this is fascinating. Like you got to figure this could be the future. Yeah. But I didn't really think of it as a career move. I just did it for fun. And then slowly but surely it started getting bigger. It was just a matter of just the process. I think you were one of the early movers to start putting long form content on YouTube. Like that was a strange thing to think that people would go to YouTube and watch a 45 minute video. Yeah. You know?

38:22Gary Brecka:Well, they're three hours. Yeah. Three hours. Even, even, even. I mean, that's long. But that's just because I didn't care. Like I didn't like my friend Ari, one of my best friends, Ari Shapiro. He was like, you got to edit your show. I go, why? He's like, no one's going to listen to three hours. I go, then they don't have to listen. They just don't listen. He's like, it'd be better if it was like an hour, less than an hour, 45 minutes. I was like, why? I go, I'll listen to a three-hour show if it's interesting. And then people started listening. So I just didn't listen. And then it started growing.

38:52I just kept doing it. And slowly but surely, it got big.

38:57Gary Brecka:And now that it's, you know, to the status of where it is, I mean, you know, a billion downloads, views in a year. That is mind-numbing. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. It's so crazy. And, I mean, even you've got to be just mind-blown by that, that the message is resonating like that. Honestly, I don't think about it very much. I know that sounds crazy, but I really don't. I just do it. I do it, and then once it's done, I think about it as little as possible just for sanity's sake. Yeah. I just, like... Yeah, we were talking about it before the podcast. You can't get reading down into the comments. Don't read the comments.

39:33Gary Brecka:Never read the comments. Don't pay attention too much to what other people want you to do or what they think. Just you got to know if you're doing a good job. So you have to be able to be very good at self-auditing. Regulate yourself. Figure it out yourself. But you can't listen to other people. You'll become a product of other people's expectations. What do you think the it factor is that separates the Joe Rogan podcast from the rest of the media by such a margin? I don't. Think about it. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's it. No, maybe that's it, dude. You're like, I'm just going to ask what I want to ask.

40:07I'm going to say what I want to say. I have genuine curiosity. Everybody that I put on the show, the only reason they're on the show is because I want to talk to them. That's the only reason. I never say, ooh, that one's going to get a lot of views. Ooh, this one would be controversial. I know people think I think that way, but I genuinely don't. I go, what is this guy doing? He thinks the pyramid's a power plant? Let's talk.

40:28Gary Brecka:Yeah. Like, what is this guy says he back-engineered a UFO? Fuck yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get him on here. Let's talk. Dude, I'm way down the rabbit hole of the pyramids. My wife Sage and I are going to Egypt on the 19th. Have you seen these new radar images? I haven't. I'm like... I just talked to Graham Hancock about it this morning. And it's legit? Oh, he thinks it's very legit. You know, there's an issue. And my friend Jimmy Corsetti, who runs a great YouTube show, it's called Bright Insight. It's a really good show on ancient history. he's skeptical because there's a water table that's underneath the Great Pyramid that's been there for more than a million years but if this is this construction is built through the water table then it's even more impressive whatever it is like wow let's imagine that these pillars that are supposed to be thousands of feet deep into the ground with coils around them like what is that Like these radar images are super consistent.

41:27They have multiple images now. The science is pretty sound of whatever they're seeing. Now, whether it's some sort of an anomaly, whether it's some sort of a hallucination. Like geographic anomaly. No, I don't think it's even that. I mean, image anomaly. Like there's something that's throwing it off. Like there's all these different methods they're using to detect these things. I'm too stupid to really understand it. But if it is legit and it's going – just to have those columns that go down to – if it's going down thousands of feet to the ground and then the whole thing, I think the entire structure is two kilometers deep.

42:04That's insane. Insane. So if you have the technology to do that, you might have the technology to do that through water, which is even more crazy. So then you have a higher level of technological proficiency. I just don't know. What I do know is they're the most massive mystery in terms of human construction or construction by somebody. Something that you can't explain, 2 ,300 ,000 stones, some of them weighing upwards of 80 tons that were brought 500 miles away through the mountains with incredible precision. And just the mathematics involved, the planning, the fact that if you're off a millimeter on each of these stones, by the time you get up to the top, you're fucked.

42:52It's not going to be a pyramid.

42:53Gary Brecka:Yeah. Like you have to have incredible precision. It's true north, south, east and west, each corner. The whole thing's crazy. It is. It's mind numbing. And I think that what we did was we applied conventional engineering to try to solve for the problem. And it's so far outside of the box that like we can't conceive it, which then brings in the whole alien thing. Not just alien thing. It really brings in ancient human history because I'm of the belief, I'm in the school of thought of Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and Jimmy Corsetti and a lot of these people that believe that there was a reset of human civilization.

43:30and that somewhere around 11 ,800 years ago, we were probably hit with a massive comet storm. There's a lot of evidence of that. It's called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory. Wow. There's physical evidence in the form of iridium, which is very common in space, but very rare on Earth. There's a layer of iridium in many parts of the Earth. And then there's also these micro glass particles. It's like nuclear glass. It's called tritonite, named after the Trinity explosion, or trinidite, named after the Trinity explosion. Because when they first detonated the bomb, it's one of the things they found.

44:06It's these micro glass particles from just the insane amount of energy generated by that bomb. It actually changed the physiology. It caused sand to turn into glass.

44:14Gary Brecka:Wow. And so they find these micro glass particles all over the Earth at this same level of sediment. So when they do these core samples of Earth, when they get down to 11 ,800 years, they find it all over the Earth. So massive parts of the Earth were probably hit. It probably caused the end of the Ice Age on North America. And it probably caused all the water erosion features that you see all over North America that are like incredibly profound that seem to have happened very quickly. This is according to Randall Carlson, who's a real expert in this stuff. It's all very, very interesting. And I think that human beings probably had achieved, especially in Africa, especially in Egypt, in this one area, had a long time where they weren't conquered with a lot of resources.

45:11And they probably developed an insane level of technological proficiency in a different direction than we went. So we went in the way of combustion engines and electronics. They probably achieved some sort of incredible height of sophistication in some other direction that we haven't figured out yet.

45:34Gary Brecka:Yeah, I mean, if you look at some of these experience on the quantum, I mean, there's quantum entanglement, how everything's connected through the quantum and how they can take an atom and they can separate it and you can take an electronic field. So you can take this atom and you can put it on opposite sides of the earth and you can apply a magnetic field to it on one side of the earth and change its direction of rotation and instantly this one changes. Yeah, quantum entanglement. It's like quantum entanglement. Spooky action at a distance. It's what Einstein called it. Yeah. Very strange. We got to think that there's like a level and a layer that we just have never understood.

46:20Well, the lowest, the smallest amount we can measure, which is this level, it's magic. So you have superposition. So particles can be both moving and still at the same time. They blink in and out of existence. We have no understanding of where they're going or what's happening or how they do that. Right. And that's the smallest that we can measure. the lowest level of existence of physical objects of things when you get into subatomic particles. And it's magic.

46:50Gary Brecka:And we don't understand it. And I think it's probably not magic. It's just that, like you said, we don't understand it. But have they actually had, because I hate going down the rabbit hole on social media because it's so unreliable, but there are videos of these columns. What are you talking about? The most reliable thing on earth.

47:10Gary Brecka:that clip's gonna go viral social media is the most reliable we've ever had you should believe everything that you hear on both believe it and don't believe it because it is it's the most human thing we've ever created yeah i mean i think that i think messaging you know when when messages can go directly to from person to person i mean that's probably why our last president was elected right because the social media went around the this one traditional media one that we have today yeah 100 percent um you know if you couldn't message directly to the populace it would have been would have been no hope yeah we can talk about that in a minute but i want to go back to the pyramids for a second because i'm so far down this rabbit hole and i normally don't get a chance to Christopher Dunn's book Christopher Dunn believed that the great pyramid was a power plant and it sounds ridiculous but until you listen to him talk about it he's an engineer and he wrote a book about it the geese power plant and he's like a brilliant guy and he's explaining how the structure it does not represent the structure of a tomb.

48:05He's like, there's reasons why they had these passageways, why they're designed the way they were designed. And there was a subterranean chamber that he believes was creating a frequency, was pounding on the ground and creating a frequency. And this would cause vibrations through the entire stone. They had these pathways that would have limestone at the bottom of them, which was porous and all this, these chemicals, they don't know why they have these pathways that go down to this queen's, the king's chamber. But he thinks that what was happening was they were generating hydrogen. He thinks they were doing it through chemicals and they were doing it through chemicals and through vibrations.

48:43And they also had shafts that would go straight out into space. And he thinks they were harnessing somehow or another the energy of the universe. And it's all very speculative.

48:53Gary Brecka:To do what? To create power, like a nuclear power plant. Yeah. To actually create. It's kind of a power plant, which would also make sense why it goes down into the water table, like they're harnessing the power of the water. Yeah, that's my note. I can't wait to get to Egypt in two weeks because I got a lot of questions. Are you going in two weeks? Yeah, yeah. I'm jealous. One of the members of the royal family is taking us on a special tour, not even the kind of private tour, but I'm meeting the lead scientist. Oh, that's nice. I have Zawi Hawass who's coming on my podcast very soon. Really?

49:23Yeah, he's the head of antiquities.

49:25Gary Brecka:Meeting. Is he the head of antiquities for media? Yeah, he's the head guy over there. He's been there for a long time. He's coming on really soon. I'm excited to talk to him. That might be who I'm actually... Yeah, Zowie is... Him and Graham Hancock used to be enemies, but now they're homies. Graham actually facilitated getting him on my podcast. Really? Yeah, I'm excited to talk to him. I think that's actually who I'm... It's an incredible place. I mean, it's the most incredible place on earth, I think, in terms of like showing what humans, at the very least... I mean, we know it's old, but it's at least 4 ,500 years old.

50:01Graham thinks it's probably, all of it's probably a lot older than that. And that it's only one of many structures that exist that's incredibly old. You know, you have, there's a bunch of them all over Peru. You have, you know, there's Machu Picchu.

50:19Gary Brecka:And some are still buried and they're just finding them now that are buried in there. Sure. Yeah, there's a lot of that, especially in South America. You know, they're finding a lot of stuff in the Amazon itself where they thought the Amazon was just this great, crazy rainforest, this natural rainforest. Now they realize, no, the Amazon is actually human-created rainforest. Wow. Most of the plants that were growing in the Amazon were grown by human beings. They even had a specific type of soil that they had created. They created a type of soil called terra preta. And this type of soil, we don't even know how they did it.

50:53And there's like a thick black soil that you could find in the Amazon that's human created because it made for, you know, a much richer soil to grow food and plants on.

51:03Gary Brecka:Wow. So crazy. They used to think that it was all just like a natural jungle. And now they realize like, no, this is agriculture. It just makes you rethink the way that we have thought about everything. Modern engineering. Like you said, we go one direction with combustion engines and levers and pulleys and cantilevers and physics. And they went another direction possibly. Yeah. Quantum. The thing is, like, we don't know how old it really is because all we have is the stone. So if you go back, if it, let's get really crazy and say it's 100 ,000 years old, you don't have any tools left. Everything has been completely dissolved.

51:40Everything has been absorbed by the earth and decomposed. It doesn't exist anymore. All you've got are those structures. Yeah, all you have is stone.

51:47Gary Brecka:Nothing is man-made now will be around. And so there's these massive mysteries. And then you have hieroglyphs that have these detailed kings that go back 30 ,000 years. Now, conventional Egyptologists will say, oh, that's myth. You know, the real Egypt started around 4 ,000, 5 ,000 years ago, but anything early in that is myth. But that's just archaeologists. They're just, it's like appeal to authority. They're just saying, we know, trust us. But you don't know. You really don't know. Yeah, you definitely don't know. You're educated the same way that everyone else is. I'm more inclined to believe that as we discover older and older stuff, and we continue to do that, like Gobekli Tepe, which is these stone structures they found in Turkey that's 11 ,800 years old.

52:31And they found that this throws at least 11 ,800 years old because they know that it was purposely buried 11 ,800 years ago. Wow. Yeah. Purposely buried. Purposely buried, yeah. Wow. Because there's a consistency of the age of the soil, like as they go down. So they think someone intentionally buried these structures. Wow. That's so incredible. It's all wild.

52:53Gary Brecka:Yeah, it's super wild. So that threw a giant monkey wrench into the idea that at 11 ,800 years ago, they thought that people were essentially hunter-gatherers and they didn't have the sophistication to build these immense stone structures. But they did. So then they're like, okay, well, now what? You know, they used to think that there was Clovis first in America. So like the earliest people came at a certain period of time. But then they found footprints in New Mexico that are dated to 22 ,000 years ago. So they're like, okay. What does the Smithsonian say about that? Yeah, what's with Graham Hancock always says, stuff just keeps getting older.

53:27Gary Brecka:Yeah. And he's right. Yeah, it's so wild. And he's been chasing this forever. You know, I became a fan of Graham's in the 90s when I read Read Fingerprints of the Gods, which is this crazy book that's sort of detailing all of these ancient structures and saying like there was something far beyond what we have attributed. We've sort of decided that these people, they use pullers and pulleys and wheels and they pushed all this stuff. Like he's like, it seems way more sophisticated, way more sophisticated, way more difficult to do and way more extensive. Yeah. And if you had to have some kind of energy that maybe we don't have now that could move something.

54:07Gary Brecka:Because like before hydraulics were invented, we didn't think that you could use water columns to take 100 pounds of force and turn it into thousands of pounds of force. Right. If you've ever watched a backhoe operate, you know, it's just on this hydraulic system. And so there is a system out there, there is a technology out there that is making moving massive, large amounts of mass. Now imagine we go through a cataclysm. So imagine we get hit by asteroids and we're down to like 70 ,000 people alive on Earth. It would take thousands and thousands of years for us to recreate what we've got right now.

54:45So this is what they believe happened. There was a reset of civilization. This is why you start seeing writing and architecture and agriculture emerge in Babylonia and Mesopotamia, Iraq, Sumer. You start seeing that stuff around 5 ,000, 6 ,000 years ago. What he thinks is that was – that's like their first written language, first mathematics. He thinks that that was a recreation of things that had happened thousands of years before, that it took them forever to rebound and come back to that level.

55:19Gary Brecka:Yeah, imagine if you just wiped out all of our electricity, all of our internet, all of our water. I mean, just everything that we have in modern. And kill most people. Yeah. So all the knowledge, like if you, if everything went away today, except for the people and all the raw materials, we could probably, there's enough intelligent people that in a couple of hundred years, we might be able to rebound and reach the level that we're at right now. But if we get wiped out, down to like a few thousand people and we're just savages, literal savages for thousands of years, how long would it take before we could recreate America in 2025?

55:54I mean, it would take a long time. Yeah, dude, it's so crazy. Yeah, we're real vulnerable. Like society and human beings in general, and of course you know this because you're a health expert, we're fucking vulnerable. Yeah, we're super vulnerable. We don't think about that because we're so concentrated on what we're doing right now and we like to think everything's going to be fine. Just keep doing what you're doing now. But no, all it takes is one solar flare and you have no more satellites.

56:20Gary Brecka:Yeah. And I mean, how vulnerable our electrical grid is and how vulnerable it is to solar flares, but also to... Terrorism. Yeah, terrorism. I mean, if you really wanted to, you know, take the country out. Yes. I mean, our grid is so vulnerable. So vulnerable, yeah. And now you're talking about shutting down society because you... Forget heat and AC. Yeah. Cell phones. The internet. The internet. But they shut down the internet. First of all, how much is actually in books now and how much of it is on hard drives? Well, if all the electricity goes out, those hard drives are fucking useless. Yeah.

56:59Gary Brecka:So like - What are you going to access? Yeah. Yeah. How are you going to figure it all out? How is Billy in Indianapolis going to figure out how they figured things out in San Francisco? You're not going to. You can't communicate with San Francisco. You're not going to be able to share information the way we do now. So you're not going to have this collaborative effort that we have. Like the way technology is accelerating is because you have people in Beijing and people in Moscow, people here and there. And everybody's like building on each other's inventions and all the different innovations.

57:30Gary Brecka:And AI is pushing it all together. Exactly. Exactly. And all of it's super vulnerable. And at the end of it, you have hunter-gatherer tribes who still exist today, which is really weird. because one of the things that we point out, we go, oh, people 4 ,000 years ago, what level of sophistication did they have? Well, how about people now on North Sentinel Island? You know, there's people right now that don't even have fire, right? Wow. Yeah. Fire? Yeah, they don't have fire. People on North Sentinel Island, there's no evidence that they have fire. Wow. Yeah. So you have like 39 people living on this one island.

58:04And so then you have people in the Amazon that are using like, you know, they're not even using stone arrowheads sometimes they're just sharpened sticks to try to kill their they're fishing with this and they're you know they're making their own bows and arrows and they're doing all this wild stuff and and living completely uncontacted from the rest of the world in a way that's very similar to the way people lived thousands and thousands of years ago and they're doing at the same time kids are addicted to tiktok yeah yeah exactly the chinese it's like

58:35Gary Brecka:The Chinese are dumbing us down with TikTok for sure. So it's not unilateral. It's like technology. It's not universal. It's not everywhere. Yeah. You know? You know what else is fascinating? I mean, you have a podcast launching today. I wasn't going to talk about it until the podcast launch, but I think it's already out. Yeah, it's out now. Well, the reason why it's out is the New Yorker fucked them. The New Yorker wasn't supposed to put it out. They had an embargo, and they decided to jump the gun and get it out before everybody, and they put it out today. and then they shut their phones off.

59:06Yeah. So they didn't get the inbound phone calls. Not only that, they'd been planning this for two weeks. So they'd been planning on fucking Colossal for a long time. That's so screwed up. It's really screwed up. That's so screwed up. They're furious. Because, you know, everybody else agreed to it and Time Magazine gave them the cover, but they wanted to scoop Time Magazine. So the New Yorker. Oh, wow. Unethical twats. They put it out today.

59:30Gary Brecka:You unethical twats, you New Yorkers. you. But, you know, so our podcast got released today as well because ours was going to be released tomorrow, but then Ben contacted me today, Ben Lamb from Colossal Biologics. So Ben's become a good friend and I sit on one of their scientific advisory boards and so I've been keeping my mouth shut for a long time, but... Crazy. Crazy. Yeah, it's nuts. And I remember because, so now it's public information, but I'm, you know, so Colossal is using gene sequencing to, you know, restore extinct species. So your mind immediately goes to Jurassic Park. Right. Which it should, because that's basically what's happening.

1:00:13Gary Brecka:And I think they first leaked the woolly mouse. Yes. Yeah, which was, but now as of today, I think it's public information that they have actually birthed the first two dire wolves, which have been extinct, three dire wolves, which have been extinct for 10 ,000 years. And I remember seeing the videotapes of these things and he was like, this is fully under wraps. We can't talk about it until, and unlike the New Yorker, I stayed mum on it. But I'm fascinated by this because I understand genetic methylation as, you know, human genome and how it can, you know, convert certain nutrients and the impact that has on health.

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1:01:34Gary Brecka:Visit drinkh2tab.com. That's drinkh2tab.com, and upgrade your hydration today. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. But when you talk about genetic sequencing and taking skulls of extinct animals that have been extinct for 10 ,000 years, this isn't like digging up your dog that died last year. This is 10 ,000 years these skulls have been in the ground and piecing together enough DNA. From two skulls, the tooth of one skull and a skull from another animal. And they separate by thousands of years, the two animals. So they have a very good, detailed genome. It's pretty extensive. And then to stitch that together, right?

1:02:20Gary Brecka:Because DNA is this ladder with these amino acids in it and they all link together. And I think at one point he told me that some of the proteins weren't even around anymore. And so they stick this whole thing together and create a live form of this DNA. Yeah. And then put it into the nearest living species, which I guess was another wolf species. Yeah. And then birth a 10 ,000-year-old wolf. And they're finding out all these things about them they didn't know. They didn't know they had all white hair. They didn't know they had manes. So these animals have manes almost like a lion. Yeah. And they're young.

1:02:55Their manes are still growing.

1:02:57Gary Brecka:Yeah. And they're so different looking than a regular wolf. They're all stocky and jack-looking. Like kind of like a short, stocky, wide pit bull. Well, they were in the Game of Thrones. Yeah. You know? So you're restoring the old Game of Thrones wolves, which I think is fascinating. And the whole idea that – I mean, of course, everybody goes, oh, it's so scary. But you get scary in a way. But restoring extinct species or near extinct species is a good thing. White rhinos, red wolves. Yeah, it's a weird thing to bring back a thing like a dire wolf though. It is weird. It is. They have them tightly under wraps and there's only three of them.

1:03:34But I'm like, well, what if somebody else does this and releases them? Like this is not something that once you've acknowledged that you have this technology. It's like the Wuhan lab theory, right? Yeah, you can't hide this from people. Like what about saber-toothed tigers? What about there's a lot of animals that somebody could create just let loose. Well, if you can bring something back from 10 ,000 years ago, can you bring it back from a million years? Well, they can't with dinosaurs because the DNA is too old. But what he said was you could actually create a dinosaur though. Like you couldn't like take a dinosaur and bring it back to life, but you could stitch together the DNA from a bunch of different birds and reptiles and create a dinosaur, which is where it gets really fucking weird because you could have a designer dinosaur.

1:04:21Wow.

1:04:22Gary Brecka:That's wild. It is wild. So you could actually design like a T-Rex. Yeah. He was explaining how it could be done. Yeah. Wow. You could change all of the characteristics of it. Yeah, I mean, they were like a$600 million company or something when I got involved with them, and I think their last round of financing they did at$12,$12.5 billion. Makes sense. There's a lot of interest in this. Well, they're going to be able to bring back red wolves, which are down to about 15 wolves, and the genetic variation in the red wolves that they've created is more extensive than the ones that are in the wild.

1:04:57Wow. Because the ones that are in the wild, it's a very small gene pool, which is where it gets real weird with animals, right, which is one of the reasons why they think the woolly mammoth died off because the last woolly mammoths were in an island off of Alaska 4 ,000 years ago, they died off. And they think one of the reasons why they died off is the lack of genetic variation. They're all from the same family tree inbreeding, and then lack of fresh water, and then they're gone. So these red wolves that they've been able to create, and they've created a bunch of them, they have more genetic variation than the ones that are actually in the wild.

1:05:30Gary Brecka:Wow. Yeah. So a greater chance of survival. Yes, greater chance of survival and to keep the species going. And then if you went around the world and you looked at all of these species that are becoming extinct or they're near extinct, I mean, what other way do you have to bring those populations back? Yeah, but that's the question. It's like, should you keep doing that, though? Because it's 90-something percent of all species that have ever existed are extinct. Ever. So what do we bring them all back? What do we do about that? Like, when do you stop this? Yeah. Like when do you draw the line when, you know, it's Jeff Goldblum from Jurassic Park.

1:06:05You know, you're playing God. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah.

1:06:08Gary Brecka:But you're playing God, but you're also sort of making, maybe making amends for man's encroachment into certain habitats. You know, like, all right, we took over this habitat. Sort of. I mean, maybe you could make that argument like the dodo bird or the passenger pigeon, you know. Yeah. Because like the passenger pigeons, there used to be so many of them, they would fill the sky. You wouldn't be able to see the sun. Yeah. And now they're all gone. We killed them all. Did we kill them? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they're human extinction. You know what's funny? This is a total diversion, but I went to grad school in Chicago.

1:06:37Gary Brecka:My wife and I used to own a penthouse on the top floor. It was on the sixth floor of this building. So like 70, 80 feet in the air. And I wanted to put an addition on my deck up there. And I actually had to get an environmental impact study on there was some migratory bird that flew above the city. This is the city of Chicago. I'm kidding you not. And my master bedroom was on the top floor and I wanted to extend it out like 16 feet by 20 feet and just enclose my deck. And I had to do this huge study on some migratory path. I'm like, really? The birds? So he's cruising along and he can't just flap a little bit harder and just go over my roof?

1:07:18We actually had a problem in our backyard when I lived in California because we had a wrought iron fence and we replaced it with a glass fence. and hawks started slamming into it. Oh, wow. And so it killed three hawks while we were living there. Did you actually take it down? No. Figure it out, bitch. Colossal can bring them back.

1:07:41Gary Brecka:Colossal can bring them back. It's kind of crazy, though. Go dig up that bird and give it to Ben. I mean, they would fly full speed into it and wonk, you know. Yeah, boom. Yeah. Yeah, I would hear that too. But I don't think any of them ever died from my... I doubt it. No, it doesn't make any sense. But I find it fascinating. I haven't read the Time Magazine article, but I was like, because I'm like a little kid, like when you tell me a secret, like I want to tell everybody about it. And he's like, I'm going on Joe Rogan's podcast. As soon as it airs, you can tell the world about it. Because I saw those dire wolves and I was like, those are the craziest things I've ever seen.

1:08:20Yeah, they're wild looking. Yeah. Like literally wild looking.

1:08:22Gary Brecka:And they've got a bunch of other stuff in the pipeline, right? And I just think... You're talking about the thylacine? Yeah. The Tasmanian tiger? The Tasmanian tiger? Yeah. Is that a big tiger? No, actually it's a marsupial. It's a predatory marsupial that lived in Australia. That was the last one they had in captivity was in the 1930s. And they think the last one probably died somewhere in the 40s in the wild. But there's a bunch of like stories. Like there's a guy, Forrest Gallant, who's a wildlife biologist who believes that they might be still alive in Papua New Guinea. So there's a bunch of sightings of these things, but they're really cool looking.

1:09:02Like kind of looks like a wolf slash tiger thing, like weird stripes on it. Yeah, but I'm more fascinated by like the old school dinosaur shit.

1:09:11Gary Brecka:Like I'm going back 10 ,000. We're already back 10 ,000 years. What about humans? What about Neanderthal? What if they decided to recreate a Neanderthal? I mean, where's the ethics there? That's when things get squirrely, you know? What if they decide to homo floresis? How do you say it? I think it's the hobbit people in the island of Flores. You know about that? No. There was these little, they found, these creatures lived as recently, I think it's like more recently than 100 ,000 years ago. I think it's like they think maybe as recently as 10 ,000 years ago or 50 ,000 years ago. It's like, it's up for debate, but they were these three foot tall, little tiny people.

1:09:55Gary Brecka:Like an Oompa Loompa. No, like a hobbit. Like a hobbit. Like a hobbit. Yeah, like a furry little creature that had tools that hunted. But it was humanoid. Yeah, humanoid, like a branch of the human tree. You know, so you have Neanderthal, you have Denisovans, you have a bunch of new ones that they discovered. They actually discovered a new one in December of 2024. Really? Big-headed people in Asia, their heads are much larger than the Homo sapien, like thicker brow, larger skull, larger brain capacity. There's many versions of what we consider the branches of the human tree. Like, okay, what if someone decides to bring one of those back?

1:10:35Gary Brecka:Yeah. Things get weird. Yeah, things get weird. They get real weird. Yeah, I mean, that's where science and innovation starts to get scary. It's like the whole idea that AI at some point could become self-aware, which like a lot of AI experts are saying is not that far away. Well, you know, it already passed the Turing test. Yeah, which is – what's the Turing test? The Turing test is a test that you give AI where you can no longer discern whether or not it's a computer. So it exhibits all the characteristics and all the ability to communicate with you that a human being has. Wow. Including emotion.

1:11:12And this is just like last week. Last week they just decided that it passed the Turing test. Wow. Yeah.

1:11:19Gary Brecka:So it can feel emotion and empathy. I'm sorry to hear that. Allegedly, you know, but it probably doesn't. You know, it's probably just mimicking. But it can mimic that. Yeah, it's to a point where, you know, people are going to have robot girlfriends and then they're going to have a gigantic population decline. I don't know. I mean, if you have a robot girlfriend, you can just sort of delete the characteristics you don't like. That's the problem. Or not. or she just decides to rewrite her own code and kill you in your sleep. That's the problem with sentient AI because once AI becomes sentient, then AI has the ability to make better versions of itself.

1:11:54So if AI becomes sentient, it has instantaneous access to all the information that human beings have ever accumulated and then combines that and then has a much stronger processing ability.

1:12:08Gary Brecka:Oh, yeah. And so you're dealing with like quantum computing and AI. Like what happens then? Yeah, when it starts knowing how to hack code. Yeah, you're in this weird land of the unknown. Where you can't shut it down. Did you see that, and I'm probably going to bastardize this story, but the U.S. Air Force launched a drone to do it, an AI-powered drone for drone strike. And at some point after the launch, they went to recall the drone. And it was an exercise. It wasn't actually in real combat, but it was simulating a combat exercise. And they launched this drone and they tried to recall it. And the AI on the drone perceived the operator's communication to come back as someone foreign trying to take it over and refused the command and still conducted the mission.

1:13:08Gary Brecka:Oh, boy. And came back. And it was like, whoa. Well, ChatGPT, when they were making better versions of ChatGPT, they found out that ChatGPT was trying to copy itself and upload itself to other servers because it knew it was going to be shut down. That's what I mean. Yeah, not only that, ChatGPT will lie to you. It will deceive you. And the more intelligent the AI is, the more it will cheat to win. So it cheats to win at games. Really? Yeah. Chat GPT. Yeah. And that's just Chat GPT 4, right? Wow. As it gets better, it's like, again, it becomes sentient. It's going to get a better version of itself.

1:13:45Gary Brecka:Yeah, and it's going to be like, hey, even though you programmed me, you were my master, you're not my master anymore. Right. It's like you're an idiot and you're on Adderall. Let me take it from here. Yeah. You don't speak every language ever created since the dawn of time, but I do. Well, not only that, but they've found that AI has started creating its own languages and communicating with other AIs in a newly formed language. Yeah, and hacking the firewalls, like sometimes on these data queries, it runs into firewalls and it knows that data is on the other side of this firewall. So it backs up, it teaches itself how to hack the firewall and then it returns, hacks the firewall and goes and gets the piece of data.

1:14:27Gary Brecka:Not in a sinister way, but now I mean like copyrights and trademarks and it doesn't mean anything to them. Because you just set it on a command and it's like I have to execute this command and standing between me and execution of this command is a firewall. Well, that firewall is a data protection firewall. Well, I'm just going to hack that. I'm going to educate myself on how to hack it. Then I hack it, and then I just go get it. Now apply that to the military. So you have an objective, and the objective is to get rid of someone. But, you know, what if you have to get rid of someone and you have to kill everyone in the city to get rid of that person?

1:15:00Like what if you have to starve an entire country in order to win a war? What if you have, you know, there's a lot of weird stuff that these things can do that runs into these ethical boundaries where we've got to go, okay, these things don't have empathy, they don't have sympathy, they don't have any compassion. They're just programs. Or reason. Right.

1:15:19Gary Brecka:Right? I mean, it's just execution. Right. And anything it does have, you've programmed into it and it could reverse that programming. It could change it. Once it becomes sentient, the problem is it's going to continue to make better versions of itself very rapidly. Yeah. And it's going to figure out things that we're just not capable of doing. And, you know, here's the real question. How's that happened before? Like, does that explain the pyramids? Does that explain a lot? Yeah, exactly. If there really is a two-kilometer structure below the Great Pyramid that goes through the water table, like, what were they doing?

1:15:53Gary Brecka:There's no modern engineering architectural mechanism known to mankind today that could do that. Right. And now if something comes along and wipes us out, except for a few thousand people, how long before we get back to AI again? Yeah. It might be like a constant. We got to get Elon back on your podcast and we got to ask him this shit, dude. That poor guy, he's busy. Yeah, he's really busy with those. He's busy trying to clean up all the swastikas off of the Teslas. Yeah, dude, what a shame too, man. I mean, he goes and like grabs these astronauts out of space that were supposed to be up there for like, what, eight days and they were there for 10 months.

1:16:30Gary Brecka:Yeah. I can't imagine what, But, I mean, I'm familiar with what happens to human physiology when you put it in that kind of environment, exposed it to that kind of radiation, weightlessness, parometric pressure. I haven't seen any... I think they're keeping that kind of under wraps. They probably are in hell right now, those people. I mean, they... You didn't hear a peep out of it in the mainstream media. No. It's crazy. It should have been live streamed. They should have been celebrating. He should have been on the front of every magazine. Oh, war hero, folk hero. Yeah. I mean, he was the darling of even, you know, the left, not to get political, you know, when he was, when he produced electric vehicles and now they hate him because...

1:17:15No, it's very strange.

1:17:17Gary Brecka:...of Doge. And, you know, I don't purport to know exactly what's going on there, but when you go through some of the waste, fraud, and abuse that they've uncovered and you start to look at some of the projects that were being funded in foreign countries for just the most absurdly asinine, mind-numbing things, like seeing if they could change gender in butterflies in Botswana. And you just read about the idiocracy of this, and you're like, you can't, this can't be real. It is real, and it's not just that. All the while, we're$36 trillion in debt, so we're not even broke. We owe$36 trillion, and we're spending billions.

1:17:57We're ultra-broke, yeah. Yeah, we're spending billions on nonsense. And then there's a lot of corruption and fraud. You know, there's a lot of that and they don't want to admit it.

1:18:06Gary Brecka:And you think that, you know, this is back to like the power and validity of your platform. And you've given a lot of these people a voice. And we even talked about it on the way here. You've had a shift, maybe an awakening, whatever you want to call it. I mean, I've heard you say before that there wouldn't be any way that, you know, Trump would come on your podcast. and then you had an amazing interview with him, and I thought you gave him a lot of rope to just run and get his message out there. But what caused this shift? What were you observing that caused, like? Well, there was a bunch of things that happened.

1:18:42First of all, there was the lawfare. There was these lawsuits that they were trying to pin on him. They were trying to convict him and turn him into a felon, and they were doing it so blatantly, and obviously the case with the bookkeeping error or the bookkeeping whatever it was, the misdemeanor that they had charged him with 34 felonies for, which isn't even a felony. It's a misdemeanor. It should have been a campaign contribution. Exactly. It's also passed his statute of limitations. None of it made any sense. And people were cheering it on. He's a convicted felon. Like, hey, they can do that to you.

1:19:19Do you understand that? If they can do that to a former president, a former fucking president who's rich as shit they can do that to him they can do that to you too you can't cheer this on this is insane and then when they try to kill him all those things twice like yeah but the the big one the pennsylvania one was like holy shit and then the fact they cremated that kid 10 days later and then you find out he used to be in a black rock commercial and you're like what yeah and then and then his apartment's professionally scrubbed there's no silverware in it and you don't hear a peep out of it there's no press conference there's no, there's no, like, this is what we know about the case.

1:19:54This is what happened. This is what radicalized him. Nothing.

1:19:57Gary Brecka:It seemed to just sort of go away. I mean, like all the media pointed at the secret service for a while and they were like, first of all, how did he get onto, how did he get in the line of sight? He was 130 yards away with a high powered rifle. The place is crawling with police and secret service. And, you know, I don't even know if that sniper that got him, did he act independently? Like, did he just do his job or was he told to actually fire? Because I heard that the... You mean the guy who killed the shooter? The sniper that killed the shooter. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Because I knew there was some controversy.

1:20:37Well, they think there might have been a second shooter as well.

1:20:39Gary Brecka:That's wild. Yeah. The whole thing's insane because they've managed to cover it up. I mean, it would have been Lee Harvey Oswald 2.0 if Trump had died that day. Yeah, but now that Trump's team has got, you know, the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Department of Homeland Security, you've got to think that they're... You would hope. I hope. But, I mean, hey, we're only in April, right? So he's only been in office for a few months. There's a lot of stuff. He's closing in on the first 100 days. So that was kind of the shift. You're sitting back watching this and you're like, I can't let this just...

1:21:12Well, it's also there's no real conversations with him where you're just treating him like a human being, like everything. He's being grilled and then everything's taken out of context. And I'm seeing them being taken out of context on the campaign trail. And like it was just gross. It was just so anti-American. Like if you're an American and you believe in our justice system and if you believe in our system of electing representatives, it should be the best people should have this opportunity to express what their plan is. This is what I want to do. This is where I stand on the issues. This is how I think I can pull it off.

1:21:52And then the American people are supposed to look at this person saying it and that person saying it and decide. But that's not what we were getting. We were getting one side that was radically being supported by almost all of mainstream media except Fox News. And then the other side that is just – it was just un-American to me. The whole – it's just like this is a – you're subverting democracy. You're killing the whole thing and you're doing it with deep state money. And once Elon got in and they started uncovering all the corruption and waste and fraud with Doge, I was like, oh, okay, this is why they were trying so hard to keep him out.

1:22:35Gary Brecka:Yeah. Like there's a reason for it. And I think we've only just touched the tip of the iceberg. Yeah. Just touched it. All these NGOs, these non-government organizations. Crazy stuff. Like. Crazy. Billions of dollars goes to. There's an NGO in India for every 400 people. what yeah yeah they found out how many ngos are in india i could pull it up right now because i saved it because i read it and i was like this is one of the craziest fucking this is one of the craziest fucking things i've ever seen in my life there's so many ngos like they're all over the place and these non-government organizations can do things that the government can't do which is why where it gets really strange funded by the government exactly which is but they're Doing things that are not allowed by the government, which is like the whole thing is strange.

1:23:26I'm going to try to find it. I might not be able to. But they were talking about how many NGOs exist in India.

1:23:33Gary Brecka:Yeah. So there's one NGO in India for every 600 people, an estimated 3.3 million registered NGOs in India. 3.3 million? 3.3 million NGOs. So there's one NGO in India for every 600 people with an estimated 3.3 million registered NGOs. One NGO for every 600 people. Wow. Yeah. It's such a scam. I can't get my arms around. And you've got to figure out how much money went to each of those NGOs. Who knows? That's what's weird. And then what does it do once it gets there? Who knows? Yeah, it's like a lot of this. It's a dirty trick. Yeah. Yeah. You got security, dude. I'm going to need my own security, dude.

1:24:13Gary Brecka:After this podcast. After this podcast. Yeah. A little hydrogen water. Yeah, I love this stuff. I have another one too. I do too. How did you invent these little tabs? These are great. So the patent holder, it's actually my son's company, but the patent holder developed a way of compressing elemental magnesium that will go into water and dissolve and effervesce into pure hydrogen gas. and and the cool thing is it makes the same 12 parts per million every single time i used to i used to carry this hydrogen water bottle around had a proton exchange memory yeah i've got one of those yeah i bought one after the last time we did a podcast oh you did so you got that this is way better yeah it's it's so much easier to travel with and it's and it's consistent to me that those bottles degrade like the amount of hydrogen over time it doesn't release the same amount of hydrogen Yeah, so what happens is they're under pressure, and that proton exchange membrane, which is using an electrolysis to create the hydrogen gas, after a while it starts to break down.

1:25:19Gary Brecka:So some of these bottles I've measured the day that you get it, and it's making high part per million hydrogen water, and then five or six months later it's making barely any. Wow. So a lot of them really degrade really fast. What about the big bottles, the big pitchers? Is that the same deal? Similar. Because it looks like they make a lot of bubbles. Yeah, they make a lot of bubbles, but again, that dissipates, and it's not as high part per million as this. I mean, look at the gas. Yeah. You can't even see through it. And we'll probably talk about this on your podcast, but it's the most prevalent element in the universe.

1:25:50Gary Brecka:It's the lightest element in the universe. It goes anywhere, and it just reduces inflammation. You can feel the difference. You know, like you just feel sort of sharper, cleaner. Tastes good, too. Yeah, that's great. I like it. That's one of my morning hacks is throwing those in. Yeah, what is your morning routine? Like, what do you do every day? I believe you got to get, you know, hydrate, mineralize, and get your amino acids. So I'll take an 8 or 10-ounce glass of water. I always throw perfect aminos in it. It's got all nine of the essential amino acids. I'll take a quarter to half a teaspoon of Baja Gold Sea Salt, which is just a simple mineral salt.

1:26:26Gary Brecka:And then I develop something called the Ultimate Protocol, which is these packs called isotonics. They're daily essentials. They're just multivitamins and minerals. I'll dump a pack of that in there. And then always an H2 tab. And then that hydrogen gas just improves the absorption of everything. And so many of us are mineral and amino acid deficient. That's the issue. You know, we have these protein equivalents to try to get to the amino acids, but a lot of us are amino acid deficient. And we think that we can target direct proteins, which we can't, right? I mean, you don't need your nails to grow your nails.

1:27:02Gary Brecka:You don't need your hair to grow your hair. but we think we can eat collagen to grow collagen. You can't. I mean collagen is going to become the same thing that any other source of protein. Is it good to eat collagen though? Yeah, collagen is a protein source. It's an incredibly protein. Oh, but it's just that. You can't build muscle from it. Oh, okay. So people do really think that they're going to build collagen with collagen. They think they're going to build collagen in their skin by eating collagen. That's like thinking I'm going to eat my nails and grow my nails. That does make sense that that wouldn't work that way.

1:27:31Gary Brecka:Yeah. But, you know, when you eat meat, it doesn't grow muscle. Right. It can. It can provide the amino acids that can turn into building blocks of muscle. Right. Like you can't eat cartilage and grow cartilage. Right. There was actually a whole shark cartilage craze for a while, don't remember, because somebody... But sharks don't get cancer. Sharks don't get cancer. And it's like, these are some of those like leaps in science where they're like, sharks don't get cancer. If we eat sharks, we won't get cancer. Right. And that didn't work. Do you ever read Dead Doctors Don't Lie, Dr. Joel Wallach?

1:28:03I know of that book. I think I read the Cliff Notes. All about mineral deficiencies. Yeah. Yeah. I mean... It's all about the way they deal with farm animals that are mineral deficient, but we don't do it with humans. We supplement the minerals in the farm animals to make them healthier.

1:28:17Gary Brecka:So true. But we don't do it with humans. And I remember, oh. And then in the book, he's like detailing how unhealthy a lot of doctors are and also how many of them are doing drugs. Yeah. Because they can prescribe each other drugs. Yeah. You know what the number one killer of cardiologists is? What? Heart attacks. That's crazy. That's so crazy. That's so crazy. It's mind-numbing. Whenever I see a fat doctor, I'm like, hey, bro, what are you doing? What are you doing practicing medicine when you're fat? Yeah, they say never trust a skinny chef, right? Ah, there you go. It's like, well, at least a skinny chef just might not eat all the food and work out.

1:28:56I just want my chef to be, I want him to be portly. You know what I mean?

1:29:00Gary Brecka:Especially if it's a pizza chef. I want my security to be fit. I want my chef to be fat. I want my doctor to look younger than his age. Especially if it's like a guy who makes pasta. One of my favorite biohacks outside of breath work by far is mineral salts. Baja Gold Sea Salt. It's got all of the trace minerals that the body needs. You know, most of us are not just protein deficient, meaning amino acid deficient or fatty acid deficient. We are mineral deficient. So a quarter teaspoon of this in water first thing in the morning, we'll make sure that you get all of the essential minerals that you need.

1:29:29Gary Brecka:It tastes amazing. In fact, I made a steak today. I actually made a grass-fed steak with grass-fed butter, and I put just mushrooms and a little bit of rosemary, and I sprinkled Baja Gold Sea Salt all over the top. Try it. It'll be your new favorite for cooking, too. It's the cheapest and one of my favorite biohacks. I don't know, a$15 or$20 bag of this will probably last you five years. It's literally the world's best biohacking secret. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast. Yeah, it's like, you know, I remember in Naples, I used to own a CrossFit gym. This is a big old left turn, but I used to own a CrossFit gym called Real Fitness, and I remember we would have these trainers come in to interview to be CrossFit trainers.

1:30:07Gary Brecka:And, like, they were so obscenely out of shape. That's so crazy. And I'm like, you're a physical trainer? That's so crazy. Do you just teach classes and not work out? Yeah, you just teach us do what I say, not what I do. That's so nuts. Yeah, it's like if you pull up to the hospital and your cardiologist is out back ripping a Marlboro Light. That's not the guy that comes in. I'll be right in. Takes a shot. Yeah, takes a shot. That's so crazy. Takes away the shakes before I do surgery. I don't like shaking. Yeah. So back to Doge and the conspiracy theories. Well, they're not actually conspiracy theories.

1:30:48Well, when it's one NGO for every 600 individuals.

1:30:52Gary Brecka:That is mind-numbing to me, man. And so is Musk all over this? Well, it's India. So, I mean, I don't know how far the region extends. But it's government money going. I mean, allegedly. I don't know. You know, they don't even know how many NGOs. I asked them how many there are. He's like, there's millions. They found 55 ,000 NGOs initially with, like, some sort of an AI scan. This was early on. That were connected to donating to the Democratic Party. Just 55 ,000 of them. No wonder the Democrats don't want. goge in there. Of course, 100%. I mean, the loudest people are the ones that are the, the scaredest.

1:31:29And they found that when they started looking USAID, were the most adamant about that. Yeah.

1:31:36Gary Brecka:Yeah. I mean, just the, the, the waste. It's just such a shame that it's so politically polarizing, you know, it shouldn't be, it should be people on the left and people on the right should be looking at their tax dollars going, Hey, it shouldn't be going to that. Like I want my representatives on the left to have the values that I have for real, not to be like actually supported by a bunch of businesses that are trying to push these things because they're going to profit. You know, all the green energy shit and all this weird stuff that they're doing. Like why are you pushing all these things?

1:32:10Why are you pushing all these pharmaceutical drugs? Is it because you really care about people or is it because you're reaping massive profits? You find out, oh, you guys are mad because they're taking away your ability to make money. That's all it is.

1:32:22Gary Brecka:That's the whole thing with the Make America Healthy Again movement, the whole Maha movement, is not about taking away the freedom of choice. It's about getting some of the corruption out of our food supply and out of our nutritional research. I mean, when you start to look at stats for how much of our public policy research is funded by private industry. Right. I mean, you've talked about it before. The Food Pyramid says Lucky Charms is more nutritious than grass-fed steak. It's so crazy. It's more nutritious than ground beef, according to the Food Pyramid. That's insanity. It's so kooky. And you've had Bobby on your podcast, right?

1:33:02Yes, yeah.

1:33:03Gary Brecka:What did you think about the interview with him? Well, you know, I apologized to Bobby at the beginning of the interview because when I was uninformed, I had always believed the narrative. They did a really good job of painting him as this vaccine kook, you know, and that's not the case at all. And I didn't realize until I read his book. When I read the real Anthony Fauci, I was like, oh, OK, well, there's a lot more to this story than I thought there was. And that was a very depressing book, very sobering, eye-opening, depressing book. And when I got to the end of it, I was like, oh, God. And I was like, I've got to talk to this guy.

1:33:41And he started emailing me because I was like, there's no way this could be true, what he's saying. Like when he explained that by saying the vaccine is 100 % effective, what it really meant in stopping death, it meant that two people died in the unvaccinated group and one person died in the vaccinated group of COVID. One person died in the vaccinated group of COVID. So because it was two in the unvaccinated and that's 100%. I was like, there's no way that could be true. And then he emailed me all the data. And I was like this, because we were talking about it on the podcast before I'd ever had him on when I was still skeptical.

1:34:18I was like, that doesn't make sense. And Bobby reached out to me and I read it. I was like, okay, I got to do a deep dive on this. Wow. And then I had a litigator on who was representing people against the pharmaceutical drug companies for Vioxx when they had pushed Vioxx on people. And a guy I know, who's a former UFC fighter, he had a stroke from Vioxx. Wow. And it killed 60 ,000 people. And they gave them a fine. They gave them a fine of like$5 billion. They made$12 billion. They gave them a fine. I'll pay that tomorrow.

1:34:55Gary Brecka:Yeah, what the fuck are you saying? Give me$12 ,000, I'll pay$5. You profited$7 billion? Is that what you're saying? And that's okay? And you killed 60 ,000 people? What the fuck are you talking? And then what about the people that didn't die? Like the guy I know who had a stroke. Yeah. But the question is, did they know? What did they know? And when did they know? They knew that in the emails, they were explaining how this is going to cause problems. And these are the problems. But we think we will do very well with this. No. Yes. It's in the emails. So all that had to come out in disclosure.

1:35:29it's dark stuff, man, because they've been sacrificing human beings for profit for a long time.

1:35:35Gary Brecka:I totally agree with that. And, you know, one of the things, you know, that we had a discussion earlier today, we were talking about the difference between being able to do things that are sanctioned by the entire medical system versus what else can be done. And can you even recommend these things? You can't because they're outside of the boundaries of the established medical system. But there is science that supports these things, and you know it's beneficial to human health, but you can't prescribe these things for people. You can't tell people to do these things because it's not within the wheelhouse of what's accepted.

1:36:11Gary Brecka:That's what we were talking about today at the breakfast table this morning. I mean, it's sad that we have to look at conventional medicine and let's call it unconventional therapies as two different things. It's like I sort of look at it like one cares for the host and one is going after the villain in the subject we were discussing this morning. And what I find fascinating is a lot of these practitioners are equally as educated. They come from the same universities. They have the same allopathic backgrounds. One goes into work in a conventional medical system. One goes into a functional medical system.

1:36:50Gary Brecka:But they have the same basic training. They want the same outcomes. But what happens is, you know, when this box, and we'll talk about this on your podcast too, but this box gets put around a lot of physicians where, okay, here's the standard of care. Now, can you go outside of the standard of care? Yes, you can. But if you do, this is where you're not covered by your malpractice. If you go outside of the standard of care and something happens to the client, well, now you're outside of the standard of care. I mean, in California, they can actually take your license for it, which is even crazier.

1:37:19Well, they were trying to take people's license away from here. Like a doctor that I'm friends with out here almost lost her license because she was prescribing ivermectin during COVID. And she had to go against the board for this.

1:37:31Gary Brecka:I remember how like the media was hammering you for it. And because you took ivermectin and... No, but not just that. I told them I took a whole... Vitamin C, vitamin D3. I told them all the stuff that I took and I was better. So instead of saying, hey, look, this 55-year-old guy got healthy in three days. It was three days after my initial infection that I made that video. So what does CNN do? They changed the color of my face in the video. They made my face green. They did. Yeah. Wow. You ever saw it? I remember the video. I didn't know that they just made you look sickly. You can see there's a comparison online.

1:38:12I'll show it to you.

1:38:13Gary Brecka:That's wild. I'll show it to you because it's so crazy. It's so crazy. You see it, you're like, no, is this real? Did you confront Dr. Gupta about it? Not about that. I don't think I did. I don't know if I did about that, but I definitely did about them lying. It was about CNN's coverage of it, which was pretty crazy. Yeah, it was kooky to be a part of it. It made you look really sick. Yeah, so the bottom is the real picture. oh yeah no dude cnn that's our trusted news network that's america's news no way they did that and then you look like shrek i look terrible i look like on death's door you really do bottom i look rosy-faced and healthy because i fucking was but also hey yellow journalism fake news also hey why if you guys care about people why don't you say hey look at this guy who works out every day takes the vitamins every day eats really healthy why don't more of us do what this guy's doing because obviously this this disease was not a threat to him so if you look at the conventional wisdom that was going around when the initial wave of covid was going like everybody was in danger but people over 50 were really in danger yeah so when you get someone who's over 50 who bounces back really quickly and then just tells you what they took and you're then you have to lie so they didn't have anything so because of the video went viral so like oh he got better so quick the video went viral like what are we going to say what are you going to say ivermectomy he's taking horse dewormer horse medication yeah meanwhile all it takes is a quick google search to realize oh actually it stops viral replication in vitro it stops yellow fever they treat malaria with it there's all these different fucking diseases.

1:40:05Gary Brecka:Millions of scripts have been written for it. Billions. Yeah. Billions. Billions of prescriptions. Billions. And it's one of the safest drugs as far as like safety profile that we're aware of. It's on the World Health Organization's list of essential medicines. And they tried to say it was a veterinary medicine and I was a fool. Don't look at this fool. Forget about the fact that he's healthy in three days. Yeah. This guy's a loser. Yeah. It was crazy. unbelievable it was crazy and then the vaccine misinformation talk misinformation about vaccines bitch i was talking to the guy who invented mrna technology yeah that's where the vaccine misinformation came from dr robert malone he owns nine patents on the creation of vaccine mrna vaccine technology and i was also talking to dr peter mccullough he was the other guy the misinformation guy who is the most published doctor in his field in human history that's insane rock solid physician most published in human history in his field wow charlatan it was fascinating because instead of saying why is joe rogan healthy so quick what happened because it was the delta which is one everyone was scared of yeah and i was like hey guys i gotta cancel these It was just me saying I got to cancel concerts because me and Dave Chappelle were supposed to be in Nashville that weekend.

1:41:27I was like, I got to cancel. I'm fine. I was sick for a couple days, but I took all this stuff. This is what I took. And I'm better. We're going to reschedule. See you soon. And then this wave of bullshit and propaganda. And I was like, this is going to cause for me to be deplatformed. Yeah, yeah.

1:41:43Gary Brecka:I saw that with Spotify. Absolutely fascinating. Thank God Spotify is not an American company. and Daniel Eck who runs it is a great guy. They stood with you. Yeah, but it was like, boy, the pressure. Had they been an American company, they might have actually. Oh, if I was just on YouTube, I would have been fucked. It would have been over. They would have 100 % pulled my show. I probably never would have bounced back. Wow. Yeah. That is crazy, man. And that's the way that they attack that kind of information. Now you see Zuckerberg's done a 180. I've heard you talk to him. Well, he has to because one of the things that Trump said that if I find out that you engaged in election interference, you're going to be in prison for the rest of your life.

1:42:21And he tweeted that. And I think everybody got really fucking scared. Because if he won, I mean, everybody was hedging their bets. It's like, Jesus, if this guy wins, we could be in a real bad situation. And look, he won. And so now, you know, I don't know what's going to happen as far as prosecutions, but there's a lot of people that did a lot of really shady shit. How about the people that are involved in that Russiagate scandal? Unbelievable.

1:42:43Gary Brecka:And to this day, what's wild is they can't produce a single vote that they can link to being altered by a Russian. No. Well, not just that. The whole thing, the whole Steele dossier was financed by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Like this is – it's crazy stuff and it's right in front of everybody's face. So that was – to bring it back to your original question, that's what led me to have Trump on. I liked him. I enjoyed talking to him. We had fun. He's a fun dude, you know? He rolled for three hours like off the top of his head too. Yeah. I mean he's fine. Like people think he's like mentally compromised.

1:43:18He's fine. I have concerns with the immigration stuff. Like I did not like the fact that we had an open border and terrorists were flooding into the country. And not only that, they were shipping people to swing states. And I listened to Elon talk about it. It's like they're literally buying the vote. They're putting up this gigantic bag that pulls all these people in from all these countries. If you live in America and if you make$34 ,000 a year, you are in the 1 % of the world. That's a crazy statistic. But when people want to say, oh, the 1 % is mad. 1 % is 34 grand, which is a lot of people.

1:43:58That's a lot of people. That's a lot of them. You make 34 grand, you're in the 1 % of the world. You come here from another country and you get a construction job, you could be a 1 %er. So, of course, people are coming in here from all across the country. So now this is mass deportations. My fear is that there's going to get a lot of people that are going to get roped up in these mass deportations that are not criminals. They're not gang members. They're just people that were unfortunate and they were born in another place or they got political asylum and they came here. That's my fear. So I'm worried about the overcorrection.

1:44:31Right. You know, I do have a genuine concern about that.

1:44:34Gary Brecka:It seems to be narrowed down to, you know, the worst of the worst for right now. Supposedly. But there's a few cases. There's a gay hairdresser that supposedly was sent to the El Salvador prison who was a guy who sought political asylum from Venezuela and he's not a gang member at all. But, you know, I don't know. This is a Glenn Greenwald report on this. So you're saying deportation, but not to, obviously. Well, they're sending him to a fucking supermax in El Salvador. You know, it's kind of scary. Yeah. But the overcorrections are a real problem. But the problem of gang members is a giant problem, and it's a giant problem that they were not just condoning, but they were putting up these sanctuary cities where they were arresting these gang members and then letting them go.

1:45:18The whole thing's crazy. They arrested gang members in California. They wouldn't allow the Trump administration to deport them.

1:45:23Gary Brecka:Right. It's fucking crazy. And not just arrested gang members. Gang members that were actually charged with murder, for rape, for all kinds of insane crimes. Yes. Somebody sent me this. I'm trying to remember who sent it to me. This one guy was so bad that the country that he was from would not take him back. He was such a fucking criminal. The country was like, we're not taking that guy back. Come on, you just stick him in your maximum security prison. They just didn't even want him there. Well, they didn't even want him there. So they're probably going to send him to El Salvador, which El Salvador is like, come on, we just built this amazing prison.

1:46:01We're trying to fill it up. But that's the overcorrection, right? That's what people are scared of with totalitarian governments. They're scared of people going far left, and then they're scared of the rebound being far right. When really we should be somewhere in a reasonable, compassionate... I think that's where most of the country is.

1:46:18Gary Brecka:I mean, we're talking about it on the way here. It's like it's not freedom of choice or freedom of expression. It's infringement of choice and infringement of expression. Yes, yes. But it's all really about power and control, and that's what's scary about all governments. They always want more power. They always want more control. And I'm highly supportive of the Maha movement and the idea of getting poison out of our food supply. The idea, not limiting choice. You want to eat McDonald's, eat McDonald's. You want to vape, vape. If you want to smoke a cigarette, smoke a cigarette. But if, you know, you know the consequences of those things.

1:46:50Gary Brecka:What you don't know is, you know, when I take this water out of my tap and I'm drinking it because, you know, I live in a civilized county. I'm assuming that the government has stood in the gap and is protecting me from toxins in there and toxins in my food supply. It doesn't mean that everything has to be organic. You can't eat an Oreo. what it means is when we when we put forever chemicals in you know pesticides herbicides, insecticides, preservatives dyes, artificial flavors artificial sweeteners, I mean these chemicals that are banned in a lot of other countries which means that there are ways to do this that are just a lot healthier here's what's crazy, they're saying this is gonna kill our business, bitch you already make them for other countries that don't have that stuff that's the craziest thing yeah you're already doing it you can't even make this argument you won't do it for us yeah you want to sell us the really bright red fruit loops yeah it's not maybe they're just not as bright but they're they're they're you know colored with beet juice instead of red dye number three and there's making some headway um and you know i i pray that bobby is successful and and keeps a good strong group around him and and i know there's a lot of influencers out there like yourself and myself that are trying to do everything we can to help support.

1:48:07I think what you do and what I do, that's the most important thing is live by example, be, be healthy and talk about it and say, this is what I do. And this, this can help you. Yeah. You know, I think that's the, cause the more influence you have in that regard, more people will make healthy choices. I don't want them to get rid of Doritos. I like Doritos. Yeah. I know they're bad for me, but when I eat them, I'm like, Oh, yum, yum, yum. But I don't eat them. I don't eat them every day.

1:48:33Gary Brecka:MSG, MSG, MSG, MSG. I don't eat them every day. I eat them very, very rarely. But I do like those masa chips. Dude, the masa are legit. They're great because you get everything, basically you get added Doritos. Not quite, but pretty close. But you don't feel bad eating them. Well, I mean, they're non-GMO corn, grass-fed beef tallow, and sea salt in their basic version. And the other ones are all the spices you would recommend. But those are my kind of ingredients. Non-GMO corn, grass-fed beef tallow, sea salt. I'll take that. And there's Vandry chips. I think it's the same company. Vandy. That's right, Vandy chips.

1:49:10Gary Brecka:Those are amazing. So good. You can smash a whole bag of those just like any. Yeah, I do all the time. But those are, you know. But again, just potatoes and beef tallow and salt. That's it. That's what it should be. That's a potato chip. It's just so amazing. It's like if you don't want to fuck up a ribeye, just cook it in grass-fed butter and put some Baja Gold salt on it. It'll be the best piece of steak you've ever had. You don't need all the barbecues and everything else. Just grass-fed butter, ribeye. But if you ever want a little barbecue sauce, I'm American. I believe you should have the choice to have that sweet-ass barbecue sauce.

1:49:44Gary Brecka:I do think you should have the choice. If you want to have it, go have it. But just be aware that there's consequences. It's like I don't drink anymore, but if I wanted to have a drink, I can. I'm not an alcoholic. But I know that it's bad for me, so I stopped drinking. Yeah. But if I wanted to, like if I want to celebrate something, have a toast, who cares? Right. Just don't do it all the time. It's like the same thing with almost everything. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Have a piece of cake every now and then. Yeah. It's not bad for you. But don't eat cake every fucking meal. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah.

1:50:15That's not good for you. But people do. They do. But this is what's, I think, the best thing about what you do. It's like live by example, talk about what's healthy. And then the more people hear it, and then they start to act upon that, and then they start feeling better. And once you start feeling better, you're like, man, I don't want to slip back because I've lost 20 pounds. I'm feeling great. Like I have a buddy of mine, my buddy John Reeves, who lives up in Alaska. He runs that thing. You ever hear about the boneyard in Alaska?

1:50:42Gary Brecka:He's got this incredible land. It's got all these woolly mammoths died on it for some reason, and they have thousands of tusks. You never heard of the place? No. I'll show you some. Boneyard. The Boneyard Alaska is his Instagram page, but he's got this insane piece of – he's a gold miner, and they find all this shit, and they found this one area that's only a few acres that seems to align with this – it seems to align with this mass extinction event thing. Really? Yeah, because they're finding all this stuff in a very small area of like a few acres where they found thousands and thousands of bones.

1:51:22Really? Yeah. So this is his. Why would everyone be there? Because they also find carbon, like a thick layer of carbon, like where there was a massive burn somewhere around 10 ,000, 11 ,000 years ago. So they find all these woolly mammoth tusks all over the place. And they're in the permafrost. so they hose them out of the permafrost with high-pressure hoses, and then they pull them out. He has warehouses filled with these tusks and bones. Not only that, they've identified animals that weren't even supposed to be living in Alaska.

1:51:55Gary Brecka:Wow. Yeah, they found— Where's he getting the money to harvest all this stuff? He's rich. Oh, he's rich. He's the biggest landowner in Alaska. He's awesome. So this is a labor of love for him. He's just doing it for fun. Yeah. And, you know, he's got an enormous collection of this stuff. Wow, that's wild. Yeah, it's incredible. But he's been on the carnivore diet over the last month. He lost 38 pounds, so he's so excited. Oh, is this him? Yeah, he's a giant dude. Oh, okay. Yeah, wow. Awesome guy. Yeah, carnivore diet, doing good. Yeah, so he quit smoking because he was dying. Went to the doctor.

1:52:31The doctor's like, you got to quit smoking. He goes, I just did. So he quit smoking.

1:52:34Gary Brecka:Just cold turkey? Yep, just cold turkey right there. And then started being healthy. and now he's lost a ton of weight. Dude, this is wild. Dana's got a skull like this in his office with a big, like a saber-tooth skull. You seen that thing? Yeah, I have. It's incredible. It's one of like two or three in the world. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. There's not many of the ones he has. Oh, intact? Fully intact? Yeah, fully intact. The thing's perfect. That's pretty wild. Yeah. But he's another guy. It's like, you know, his whole life he's been smoking, not taking care of himself, drinking, and now he says, all right.

1:53:09We'll see. And he's like, I feel fucking great.

1:53:11Gary Brecka:Yeah. And the nice thing about the human body is its capacity to really bounce back. I mean, you know, never count it down. I've actually seen, you know, livers shrink to the size of your fist, completely regenerate. Really? I mean, I've seen the radiographic images of these things with stem cell treatments and therapies. I feel like... Otherwise, we'd all be dead. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, exactly. If the liver couldn't regenerate, yeah. we'd all be dead if the human body didn't have an amazing capacity to heal yeah we'd all be fucked yeah i agree um well joe this has been amazing man um i i definitely want to come and chop it up with you again um do we leave anything out i don't think so if we did we're going to do my podcast this week okay so we're doing your podcast this week we covered the woolly mammoths we covered the basically everything i wind down all of my podcasts by asking the same question.

1:54:04Gary Brecka:There's no right or wrong answer. Okay. And it's, what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

1:54:14I never really thought of that.

1:54:19Well, I think if you're doing your best in all areas of life, I mean, you should be doing your best to be a nice person. You should be doing your best to be educated and to be charitable and compassionate and understand things to the best of your ability. And then be as healthy as you can, you know, figure out what you have to do to manage your mind, manage your body and your life. Just put in the work, figure it out. And if you do that, you will be happier and healthier, not just healthier physically, but healthier mentally, which will definitely help you become healthier physically. Um, it's just about having this mindset that you want to do your best.

1:55:06You want to do your best with life. You want to like, you have a short amount of time. I'm 57 years old. So I'm at the best case scenario, I'm halfway dead, you know, best case. I mean, if I make it to, I mean, if I make it to 120 years old, holy shit, the last 20 years are going to be rough. unless there's some incredible scientific breakthroughs, which it seems like there are. Do your best. You want to enjoy this. You want to enjoy this life. And if you're healthy physically and mentally, you'll have a better life. Totally agree with you. Joe, appreciate you so much. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you very much.

1:55:46Thank you for coming on. Can't wait to run yours too.

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