187. Wade Lightheart & Matt Gallant: Enzyme Fasting, Magnesium Science, NAD & Brain Training

20:18Gary Brecka:I definitely agree with that. So you can use two caps with your protein shake, and then again, you'll get more amino acids. So even though you're taking a regular protein shake, just add the enzymes. I'm still fascinated by this whole concept of fasting and taking large amounts of enzymes because the enzymes are not just, once they've crossed the blood-brain barrier, They're not just working in your digestive system. They're actually working in the blood. Well, here's the conceptual idea for people. You've got 25 ,000 different enzymatic processes. They're discovering them all the time, right?

20:53So everything from thinking to blinking requires some sort of enzymatic activity. But a large amount of our enzyme production is diverted to digestion. We're the only species on the planet that eats our food in a cooked state. All cooking destroys enzymes. And so there's advantage of cooking, storing and all that. So pasteurization, sterilization, all of those things are essentially making food so it doesn't decay, that gives it shelf life. And there's a lot of advantages to it. I'm not, but what we, if you have a cow or a horse eats grass and it's raw state, a tiger eats raw meat, it eats the zebra in a live state, a bear can go either way as a herbivore can eat the, but it's always getting both the enzymes and the nutrients inside of that.

21:42So there is specific enzymes to that plant or that animal that are being activated upon the digestive process. So you're not just getting the nutrients, the protein, carbohydrates, the fats, the vitamins. Yeah, the macros. You're actually getting the enzymes inside of that. And Howell outlines this with whales and cathaspin activation when an animal dies and is killed and then it accelerates digestion. But at the ultimate state, if you've got, say, 100, let's just use an arbitrary number, 100 units capacity of making enzymes in your body, and 80 of those are being used up because you have to augment your digestive process, well, you only have an availability of 20 % of your enzymatic production to perform all of these other functions.

22:29So the value of fasting, and so we did this test ourselves. We would look at changes in our bodies and everything when we would do fasting protocols. And I said, okay, well, if that's true, then if I take a mega dosage of enzymes while I'm fasting, can I accelerate the benefits and the results or alleviate some of the liabilities of extended fasts? And across the board, it made it easier. I felt better. The detoxification was accelerated. And it was much easier. It was much easier. It was so much easier. And I felt so much better. And for people that were doing, you know, I went through the whole process, starting with one days and then three days, and then eventually moving up to a 10-day water fast only.

23:20And, you know, I did all the juice fasts and experiment all that.

23:23Gary Brecka:And you just do like a little, what, a little mineral salt and then the enzymes, the digestive enzymes. Yeah. Yeah, because I've done everything except the digestive enzymes in a fast. So I think that's what accelerates the mechanism of fasting is the freeing up of your natural enzymatic production. So what we're doing is we're augmenting it through exogenous enzymes, mass enzymes, particularly that focuses on a high amount of protease because we feel that's the most bang for your buck. And just to back up what Wade is saying, they did an experiment looking at if people use enzymes, what happens to the liver?

23:55and they found that one group that used enzymes, their AST levels were even versus the other group where AST levels went up, which shows basically, hey, let's relieve the liver from some of the work it needs to do. The enzymes can do a lot of the work. And just to highlight the criticalness too of enzymes in the body, when you have a fever and your body's increasing temperature, at every degree Celsius, enzymatic activity is doubling. Ah. So your body's trying to get more enzymatic activity to heal.

24:32Gary Brecka:By raising its temperature. Exactly. I've read a lot lately about parents being advised by pediatricians not to treat the fever in their kids. Obviously, if it gets above 103 and you have severe fever, but not to just freak out every time your kid has a fever. and in fact purposely to let them ride through it part of which is because the increase in enzymatic activity but part of it is this is our natural defense mechanism and there was a really good article written by a pediatrician in Los Angeles that he tells all of his female patients when they have children not to try to break the fever. Enzymes is a deep world.

25:17like some people, for an example, and Wade's one of them, they don't digest fats that well. I know you're mostly a ketogenic guy. Some people don't have, they don't produce enough lipase. So for someone like that, using lipases will help them break down the fats into essential fatty acids. And because again, you don't want fats floating in your blood. You don't want proteins floating in your blood. Very true. And the enzymes hop with that. And on the carbohydrate side, you will get, you can break down carbohydrates. I mean, if you look at a banana, why does it go from green to sweet? Because of the amylase that's breaking down the starch into sugar.

25:57Gary Brecka:Right. So, again, athletes can use enzymes to get more glucose faster into their body, which, again, when you're working out, you want. Makes a difference. You want glucose. Yeah, that makes a difference. Yeah, so the families, you know, proteases break down protein. amylases break down carbohydrates, lipases break down fats, cellulases break down plant fiber. And I believe, this is totally a theory, but people are genetically predetermined about different sites of dietary strategies because of maybe enzymatic favorability or disfavorability in their albums. I can see that. And so we tested that with each other.

26:35He was like, fats, fats, fats. I'm like, every time I go high fat, dude, I'm like, it's in my stool. I don't feel good. And, you know, he didn't like the high carbohydrate rich diet, which seemed to work well for me with a low fat. And so we're like, well, how do we resolve this?

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27:54Gary Brecka:Your health is your wealth, and this investment pays dividends for life. Join the VIP community at theultimatehuman.com forward slash VIP and step into your ultimate potential. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast. So I also, you know, I am an enormous believer in the fact that the body's ability to heal itself. I'm also a big believer in the power that this has over this. And that the majority of what we face as human beings is not pathology or disease per se. A lot of it is nutrient deficiencies. And one of the big ones is magnesium. and I know that you guys have lots of ways to help people with magnesium deficiency.

28:40Gary Brecka:But I wonder if you might talk about the most immediate symptoms of magnesium deficiency and your experience with just that, that one simple light metal. And then I'd love to go down the road of other nutrient deficiencies and what kind of expression of disease or pathology or what we would consider consequences of aging comes as a result of those. Yeah, magnesium is really the best mineral to regulate your nervous system. So the first symptom is people are stressed out. And when you're stressed, you actually leach more magnesium. So there's a vicious cycle that occurs when you have a lot of stress in your life, especially if you're not consuming or supplementing with magnesium, you'll feel more and more stress.

29:27And I'm going to rewind back to the origin story of Magnesium Breakthrough because both Wade and I were burnt out. Wade was in Panama. I live in Panama. We were both, you know, working too much and we were fried. Wade came over one day and I have a neurofeedback machine. I wired his brain and his brain had less electricity than my 80-year-old friend.

29:49Gary Brecka:Wow. And I couldn't drink coffee anymore. I drank a cup of coffee and I would just feel horrendous. I said, feel frazzled. My cortisol response was out of control. Okay. So Charles Poliquin told us about, hey, if you combine different magnesiums, you'll feel better. Yeah. And then - And I was taking magnesium at that time. Turns out that I don't have the best genetics for absorbing magnesium, and I'm on a plant-based diet, which could be disruptive, and I was drinking caffeine. Right. So those are three elements that are also on top of my ability to absorb magnesium. And I'm going, I'm taking magnesium.

30:30Why is my brain not working? And it felt terrible. I was like, oh, I'm screwed up. I'm screwed up.

30:35Gary Brecka:Brain fog. Oh yeah. And then inability, anger, explosiveness. And that's not my natural state. It's probably just like go off or whatever. And I was like, man, okay, dude, we got to check this out. And we're big into neurofeedback. And that was like, okay, here's the sign. How do we figure this out? Yeah, so I started combining four different magnesiums and really hyperloading. When I say hyperloading, I got up to five grams a day, which is a lot. But after five weeks, my baseline level was zen. It was a level of zen, like just normal, without meditating, without anything. Told the weight about it.

31:15He experienced the same thing. And then I'm like, well, how can we take this to another level? Let's try combining seven of the best magnesiums. Let's add some cofactors. And then we've built multiple variations or upgrades of the formula. And it's one of the best-selling magnesiums in the world. But that was the origin story.

31:32Gary Brecka:What would you say it is primarily used for? Is it regularity, sleep and stress? Because I notice when I take it, I'm very regular. I'm usually regular anyway, but like. Well, the magnesium pulls water into your intestinal tract. I mean, you can use magnesium oxide as a flush. Yeah, yeah. If you're fasting and you really want to clean out your bowels, because it just sucks so much water and this creates literally a flushing effect. One of the things that we try to do with Magnesium Breakthrough is to make sure that it's getting in the cells. So we've done thousands of in vitro experiments measuring every single magnesium.

32:13So there's two big things when you're looking at a magnesium product. How much elemental magnesium is in the capsule? Okay. And the second thing is, how much are you absorbing on a cellular level? How does it list that? Well, you cannot list the absorption. Yeah, right. But we just did our first animal trial. And just to give you some stats, because the two most popular magnesiums is glycinate and citrate. Right. L3 and 8 is pretty popular as well. But this is serum levels of magnesium. It was 350 % higher than glycinate. it was 233 percent higher than citrate this is comparing magnesium breakthrough versus citrate okay and glycinate by the way we've also it's not released yet probably next year um our chemist has created a new form of magnesium that crosses the blood brain barrier it crushed l3 and 8 in the animal trial wow so that'll be coming out next year we're super excited about that but you know I think what separates us as a company is the level of scientific experiments that we do.

33:17We have a lab with 20 people full-time. All they do every week is hundreds of experiments. We set up these battery of tests for each type of product that we do. We'll do sometimes 18 months of in vitro experiments before we release a product. I don't know of any other supplement company that's doing that, and we do that for every single product that we release.

33:39Gary Brecka:And how do you decide like what the next product is? So if somebody is listening to this podcast and they're like, these are all great little biohacks. Like, you know, I overdose on magnesium or I take a lot of magnesium, so I'm regular or I take these mass enzymes when I'm fasted and I get a better benefit out of fasting, maybe brighter cellular autophagy. But for someone that's just, you know, starting on their supplementation journey, what would be your recommendation? because even someone like myself, I go out on Google, you get paralysis of analysis. You're a resveratrol, CoQ10, NAD, and ashwagandha, St.

34:17Gary Brecka:John's work. And you could probably make an argument for any one of those at any given time. But where does the average person in the populace start? I think they need to start out by fixing their digestion first. I think if you look at all the statistics, is 100 million people that have digestive dysregulation. You've got 12 % of the emergency hospital journeys now are gastrointestinal related illnesses. You've got massive use of medications, over-the-counter stuff. None of that stuff is, the New England Journal of Medicine says we're here to treat the symptoms of disease, not to cure them. Yeah.

34:55That's something that the general public hasn't grasped, that the pill doesn't cure you. It just, it mitigates whatever the consequence, but may have, it sets up another standpoint and then you're on the circus of the next pill, the next pill, the next pill. So if you have, and when you're talking digestion is getting the right diet that's right for you based on your genetics, do a basic genetic test, see what you need, identifying what elements to optimize your gut, reduce a bunch of the toxins and things like that. You know, you know all about this. You've been, your group.

35:25Gary Brecka:But when you say what elements to detoxify or repair the gut, like what kind of things are you talking about? because we know that the gut only has a single cell layer separating our inside environment from our outside environment. We were talking before the podcast about biofilm, which I think if you said that to most people, they'd probably think of it as a negative. Well, biofilm in the gut, basically you have probiotics or bacteria that have colonized. So they've literally created environments that they can live in. now depending on which strains are in your biofilm it's going to be either good or bad yeah you can have call you know bad bacteria that have colonized and you're creating havoc now one thing that's interesting about pro bacteria in general is they have a 48 hour lifespan and i think one of the underrated benefits of let's say three-day fast is you are drying out and killing a lot of the bacteria in your gut, which creates a powerful opportunity to recolonize when you start eating.

36:31Gary Brecka:Right. So think about it. You have to eat the right things, like kimchi, sauerkraut. The right strains. Okay. So the PhD that runs our lab, her PhD is in biofilm and probiotics. Wow. So we've done thousands of experiments, not just on the things that we sell, but other products. We measure things like survivability. So we do seven different experiments on every strain. We test which bad bacteria can it kill. So for example, our probiotics breakthrough product, it will kill E. coli. So if you have food poisoning, it's undefeated. We don't know of a single person that has had food poisoning that probiotics breakthrough did not solve it in less than 60 minutes.

37:13Really? And we know it because it kills E. coli a lot. We see that. Wow. Another big problem with probiotic products is a lot of strains will kill each other. So if you're not doing the experiments, if the formulators are not testing, hey, these - Individual strains. Yeah, these are supportive strains. Yeah, or the bifido killing, the L-plantarum and things like that, you can create a formula, it's just a mishmash of maybes in a bottle. Yeah. So that's another - Mishmash of maybes. What do they eat? That's another element, right? Like what prebiotics that feed some bacterias, which strains are the - So what is the prebiotic that's with that probiotic and how that bacteria is going to survive on it because it works really well with this bacteria strain, not this bacteria strain, et cetera.

37:53Well, what is leaky gut? Leaky gut is basically holes in the junction of your intestinal lining and food particles are getting into your bloodstream. And again, going back to we don't want proteins and we don't want fats floating around. So the solution is you need to use a probiotic blend that seals, that reseals your gut. And the way you can measure that in terms of your biomarker is called zonulin.

38:19Gary Brecka:Zonulin. Yeah. So you can measure zonulin levels. If they're really high, you almost certainly have some level of leaky gut. We had Dr. Gus Vickery. We sent him some microbiome breakthrough. He tested on 11 patients. There was over a 90 % reduction with all his patients that had high zonulin. Wow. And we know it in the last - What are some of the byproducts of high zonulin? What are some of the downsides of it? Well, again, systemic inflammation. That's the big one. Brain fog. Okay. Right. The usual. Yeah. Yeah, crusty eyes, bad breath, all those elements that show up. These are always symptomatic of deeper issues that's going on inside of the body.

38:59Gary Brecka:So what happens in somebody's body that, let's say that you are deficient in magnesium, but you're also deficient in enzymatic production because enzymes are something that we produce on our own. And then those enzymes have like a lock and key mechanism that they use to fit to certain nutrients and help break them down. So like in your case, when you switched from being a plant eater to at some point being a meat eater, making that switch overnight or in too dramatic of a faction could have been very detrimental. Yeah, I went the other way. I went from a total meat eater to a plant guy. And there was two method reasons for that is I wanted to test in the real world some generalized assumptions.

39:48And going back to the proteolytic enzyme aspect, if you look at most of the research, it's one gram per pound a body weight. Right, right. Okay, I always ask, and I would ask the question, we would ask the question, well, how much of that was actually converted into the amino acids that was used by my body? Nobody knows. So yes, maybe I'm 200 pounds, I put 200 grams in. And the assumption is it's a 200 gram conversion of amino acids. You don't need protein. You need the amino acids that are broken. And then there's a process of breaking that down. You need enzymes, hydrochloric acid, and proteolytic probiotics, which may or may not be present, especially if you've done antibiotics, you're getting older, you're not hydrated properly.

40:28You're eating a high process cooked diet. All of those things are disruptive because you need more enzymes to offset from your manufacturing. So, you know, if I go look back to real world, I was eating 250 grams of protein to support myself at around 185 pounds in competition. And I wasn't, the other element here is I'm not using anabolics or TRT or any hormonal aspects. So I'm testing that in the raw. I'm not being supported by protein synthesis. We introduced the whole concept of proteolytic enzymes. We developed that product. Four years later, I went to the world championships again. I was in better shape, better condition, felt better.

41:08And I was eating 85 grams on a raw food plant-based diet. Wow. So it wasn't so much that the difference was I was able to convert that 85 grams into enough amino acids to support my training. And I think that's where a lot of the variances comes with different dietary strategies. So when someone says that you need 0.5 and everyone says 0.8 and now this is one point, I think it's what they're not identifying is, well, how well do you actually convert that? Very much like your methylation story. It's the same thing as, well, how well do you convert fats? How well do you convert carbohydrates? How well do you convert proteins?

41:44And that's directly correlated to either your natural enzymatic production or your exogenous supplementation of those enzymes. And so we said, hey, we can eliminate all of this. We can be successful in two diametrically opposed diets using the same strategy to optimize - Yeah, for a change. Yeah, so that's how we kind of hack that. Yeah, and I think we need to change the story from protein to amino acids. I know you're a fan of amino acids. I mean, that's really what we wanna - Get into our bloodstream. It's not protein. It's amino acids. And that's where I think the proteolytic enzyme.

42:16Gary Brecka:We talked about this yesterday too on Rogan. I think that a lot of people still believe that we can target direct protein. So I always say, you know, we don't need our nails to grow our nails and we don't need our hair to grow our hair. But a lot of people think that we can just eat collagen and it'll show up as collagen in our skin and target directing it so that if I eat a bite of collagen, it doesn't just show up as collagen in our skin. it's going to show up as amino acids, which may or may not show up as collagen, right? I mean, it's going to go build collagen, elastin, fiber, natural killer cells, muscle, whatever you're going to build from the amino acids.

42:49Gary Brecka:I am, what it sounds like with you guys, a much bigger fan of full spectrum amino acids or all nine of the essential amino acids than I am of just overdosing with protein. Yeah, I would say like one of our general philosophies when it comes to supplementation, And back to your original question of, you know, what should people take? In a perfect world, you're giving your body the precursors, the building blocks that it needs, along with the cofactors. And then your body's just going to do the work. Right. Yeah. If you give your body all the amino acids, your methylating well, which is obviously key, then your body can make all the proteins that it needs to stay healthy, to stay optimized.

43:32So even when we build things like magnesium breakthrough, it's not just magnesium. Magnesiums, we're using humic and fulvic because we know, we've done the experiments, it drives more minerals in the cells.

43:45Gary Brecka:Yeah, wow. So cofactors, everybody's heard, anybody who's looked at supplements has heard of cofactors. People are underrating how big and impactful cofactors are. And I know that because we - What are some common cofactors that people might be aware of? Well, it always depends on what we're talking about. Magnesium's a big one. Yeah, it's huge. Over 300. It's huge. Enzymatic reactions. 300 to 600, right? And they help with so many different things. And back to, okay, I'm a consumer. I don't know what to buy. I'm overwhelmed. I think magnesium is a top three, top five supplement because if you're improving your sleep, everything in your life's going to get better.

44:27Almost every single biomarker is going to improve. I've been a sleep diva for over a decade. I spent over$45 ,000 on custom-made mattress, Faraday cage, eight sleep machine. I sleep with a Nano-V.

44:39Gary Brecka:I have a Faraday, I have an eight sleep. I have the Whoop. A Nano-V, do you know the Nano-V? Is that the one you breathe in? Yeah. Yeah, I just saw that at a conference this weekend. It's a food unfolding, yeah, that's great. It does. If you go 45 minutes to an hour, you definitely notice a distinct difference in your recovery. It shifts your nervous system into parasympathetic. Really? I'll breathe it in while I'm sleeping. What exactly is it? We don't know the secret sauce. Well, basically, it's generating what's a concept called easy water, which is there's four stages of water, a solid liquid gas and then a crystal element.

45:19And by putting specific wave frequencies of light, you can kind of add this. So, for example, when you look at this glass, if you look closely at the edge of that glass, it starts to curve up. And there was a, what was the doctor, what's his name that kind of broke that research down? Pollock, yes. What about how? Dr. Pollock sells gels in the engines of life. And he actually proved this tiny spectrum of water in this unique state, which he called easy water, had an incredible array of regenerative aspects to the body because it increased protein folding and your cells do this. And so by the concept between that Nano-V machine is that if we can put that into our system, then we'll be able to excel.

46:08We'll be able to put more of this easy water into our respiratory system, and that's going to trigger this increased protein folding. They've did a lot of research on it, and I was like, okay, just let me buy one, and I'll try it. And I really like it. But for me, in a hard training environment, I really notice a distinct dent of difference at 45 to 60 minutes if I'm on that. And I use the nozzle, you know, and I got it on. I'm making sure I'm getting it in.

46:36Gary Brecka:The exercise with oxygen therapy. I do that with my parents. But we got a nerd out on EWAT with Mr. Newts. We've built a next generation EWAT. Oh, wow. We'll talk about it after the show. But back to protein folding for a quick second. that is one of the drivers of aging is your body's ability to fold proteins gets weaker and weaker. If you've never read the nine drivers of aging, it's a great paper, outlines kind of, you know, the nine main drivers and that's one of them. And the Nano V could help. But again, you know, how does your body fold proteins? It sequences a set of amino acids. That's the first phase.

47:15and then it basically folds it and then your body has a protein it can use for all kinds of things. So if you're not folding proteins, you're going to start degrading. So NanoB can help with that.

47:28Gary Brecka:So NanoB helps with that, but also the enzymes help with that. Yeah, correct. Let me tell you about something that's been a total game changer for my sleep and my stress levels. Buy Optimizers Magnesium Breakthrough. Here's the thing most people don't know. Regular magnesium supplements only give you one or two forms, but your body actually needs seven different forms to function properly. That's why you might be taking magnesium and still feel tired or stressed or having trouble sleeping. Magnesium Breakthrough is the only supplement that combines all seven bioavailable forms in just a single capsule.

47:59Gary Brecka:Within just a few days, I noticed I was falling asleep faster, staying asleep longer, and waking up actually more refreshed. Plus my post-workout muscle recovery has been incredible. If you're ready to finally get the deep restorative sleep you deserve and feel more relaxed during the day, head to buyoptimizers.com and use the code ultimate to save on magnesium breakthrough. Trust me, your body will thank you. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. Getting back to where, you know, a beginner would just start because again, you can really get paralysis of analysis. Well, I'm going to use my parents because my parents are kind of, you know, they're just good examples.

48:36And the biggest thing, and you know, for a long time, they didn't take

48:39Gary Brecka:any of our supplements you know these are pills like my parents what is this well when they raise you they're like they know what do these kids know yeah but the magnesium and our sleep product has changed their life my father doesn't sleep well naturally again genetic thing which i think i inherited and he it's just been transformative for him and they love the sleep products they use the magnesium every night uh my my dad uses the melatonin breakthroughs a new product coming out and then my mom uses Sleep Breakthrough and she loves it. Wow. So to me, that's like the ultimate testimonial, having my parents.

49:15Gary Brecka:Yeah, they're great testimonials, but I'm saying like the average person that wants to start a supplement routine but doesn't know really where to get off the ground. Because if you walk into GNC or God forbid, get on Google, you're getting paralysis. You're done now. I think really most people should start with a genetic test and I think they should spend the money to get a qualified person that can interpret that results for them and then identify where you're gonna get the most bang for your buck. Yeah, you're gonna pay a little bit more on the front end. Right. Right? But now, instead of randomly shotgunning and doing like we have, who wants to do 40 years of experimentation?

49:57There's a tremendous amount of fails in that. And we spent our tremendous amounts of money, time, effort, energy, way outside the range. This is our passion. So I think if they go down that route, and the key element is making sure someone can interpret that result and provide it in a language where they can go, hey, definable, easy, integratable, actionable steps that you do on a daily ritualistic basis. So start with something small that you can do regularly. And then, as I say, I used to do this with my clients. I'm like, don't worry about all the bad things that you're doing. Just keep adding good stuff.

50:33and eventually the bad things will fall away. And it's just a slowly as it goes process. But that key identification, we didn't have that ability to identify what your genetic weakness is. What are your, what are the factors that are gonna take you up?

50:46Gary Brecka:Or what you should be supplementing with. Right, because my mom and my dad are completely different. Yeah. Right, and I'm a hybrid, you know, it's a good hybrid of those two. And then no one knew what happened to the mutation there. They're like, I don't know what happened to him. I think genetic tests are awesome. and I think you also want to be adding biomarker tests. Yeah, yeah, blood tests. You need blood tests. I mean, there's your genetics, then there's your genetic expression and your environment, what you've been doing. And unless you're looking at your blood work, you're guessing. So regular blood work is crucial.

51:18I just did mine and there was some interesting stuff that I'd never seen before that if I hadn't tested, I might not have identified.

51:25Gary Brecka:Yeah, you know, it is amazing how interconnected we are and how when certain blood biomarkers get off, we just assume that there's some kind of disease or pathologic process going on in the body. Like we saw all the time, you know, people that would have elevated levels of, let's say, C-reactive protein and a nonspecific marker of inflammation. And when you would just fix their methylation, even these nonspecific markers of inflammation would go down because we don't really know exactly what's causing it. Maybe it was protein folding. Maybe it was the poor level of enzymatic activity. But I just find that human beings function so much better when you give the body the raw material it needs to do its job.

52:09Whole foods, regular protein servings for satiety, get the chemicals out, you know, start there. If you can't put it in the ground and plant it, or if it doesn't walk around on the ground,

52:23Gary Brecka:it's probably not that good for you. And going back to whole foods for a minute, Is there any evidence that we can retrain the gut to produce its own enzymes if we supplement for a period of time, maybe even with the right probiotics, then we can retrain the gut to actually? Well, the probiotics do produce enzymes. Like probiotics are these metabolite factories, right? They're consuming some of the food. Some of them will break down protein. Some of them will eat carbs. And they're producing vitamins. they're producing neurotransmitters. We measured that in the lab. We have a half million dollar HPLC machine and we'll test.

53:04And I know you've been messaging a lot about this.

53:07Gary Brecka:Yeah. How many neurotransmitters, which neurotransmitters are each probiotic strain producing? That is so fascinating. You're talking about the gut brain connection. There's your driver of mood. Serotonin, 95 % of it's made in the gut. So if you don't have enough amino acids or you don't have those bacteria cultures because you took some antibiotics as a child because you were sick a lot and now you never recultivated that strain for the rest of your life. And now eating maybe protein-rich foods makes you nauseous and sick and you don't feel very good and you get gassy and bloating, you don't know why and you're constantly depressed.

53:44Well, maybe something happened way back in the day that never got corrected and the correction is relatively simple. That's why I said always start with your gut. Fix your gut. is that gut brain connection is so deep as well as that's the delivery system to bring the nutrients to the factory. Enzymes are the trucks and active units inside the body. They're the workers. Enzymes and probiotics are really the only things that do work in the body. Everything else is material. And when you say fix your gut,

54:14Gary Brecka:I mean, I think a lot of people are like, I just don't know where to start doing that. I mean, I tell people, getting on a whole food diet, eating lots of sauerkraut. and fermented vegetables and kefir and kimchis can help a lot of me. I feel amazing when I just eat. I have fermented foods every day. Oh, you do? Oh yeah, it's regular. It's like our grandmothers knew what the hell they were doing. All the longest living health populations in the world use some sort of fermentation. Do they? Yeah, you look at, you know, you get into the Nattos in Asia. If you look at the original stuff in Eastern Europe where they were looking at these long living populations, special kefir.

54:49Gary Brecka:I always thought my grandmother was out of her mind because she had this like really crappy area of the basement with the like the creepy like old wood shelves. And you know, remember the mason jars? And I had to press the top. Hey, I still get that. I still get that. We go down to the basement at my house when I go home for Christmas. She's like, always press the jar. And if it, you know, if it pops up, throw it in the trash. If it doesn't, bring it upstairs. That's right. That's exactly. We still do that. And like, you know, as creepy as it was, like now I want to get back to that, you know, the pickled onions and all of that.

55:18Everybody in my community did that. there was four centenarians on my street. Where was this from? It was a little place called Hillsborough, New Brunswick. Really? Which is up by Maine, for those who don't know. And I'm way out there. In fact, one of the ladies that followed that, she lives down the street from us. She's 106 years old. But we had four centenarians and everybody had their pickles. Everybody had their fermented pickles. Everybody had a regular gardener. That's funny. Everybody had a farm where they got their chicken or their beef. They got their eggs from the guy next door. So we're talking ultra pure, raw, local sourced foods that all these people are doing and doing these fermented foods and drinking water out of a well.

56:03Yeah. Oh, wow. The genius of simplicity, right? Yeah.

56:07Gary Brecka:Yeah, very much so. So I think there's a couple of really great books by Dr. Perlmutter on the gut-brain connection. And it's gut-brain access, gut-brain connection, and grain-brain, which I found really fascinating. And over the years in our clinic system, we did not see, I think we had about 160 ,000, maybe 170 ,000 patients come through our clinic system before I exited. And I did not see or even hear of a single person that suffered from anxiety or other mental health-related issues that did not also have gut issues. I noticed the same thing in my own practice. 25-year-old females that would have severe anxiety, they all had gut dysbiosis, all of them, and some pretty severe, and it seemed to correlate with the severity of the symptom, the severity of the outcome, with the severity of their gut.

57:06And I coached thousands of clients, and that was the same observations, fix their gut, go on a basic elimination diet, get the chemicals out of their system. And then there's other elements that you can add. There's a whole array. That's where you get into mycelium and the various types of mushroom families that can also help augment for cognitive health and really down that rabbit hole as well.

57:34Gary Brecka:And we can go down that rabbit hole. But before we do, what's really exciting you right now? I mean, what are you guys doing in the lab? Man, you've opened up my favorite rabbit hole. Yeah. Because I know what's exciting to me. Well, right now, I'm trying to figure out the pyramids. That's nothing to do with my population. My favorite thing in the world is always creating something that's the next level of whatever rabbit hole we're into. one of the things is we have created it's a 10-day experience we haven't commercialized it yet we've only had our executives come in it is the pinnacle of brain optimization and I'm going to say human transformation.

58:22It's beyond, it's evolutionary what's happening. And you do five days of prep and then you do five days of hardcore, hyper-intensive neurofeedback, different modalities. And we're pushing the boundaries of, you know, we're resetting the default mode network. We're feeding the body and the brain everything that we can to increase BDNF, to maximize the gains. We're almost using like a bodybuilder paradigm of maximization where we're going to push the stimuli to the absolute limit using different types of neurofeedback. And then we're going to give the body and the brain everything that it needs to maximize recovery so that after five days, your executive functioning is another level.

59:09You're able to shift states on command. Your EQ is higher. Your level of consciousness is higher. Your resilience is higher. and you can measure that. Like your cerebellum has about 80 % of your neurons and you can train your cerebellum.

59:22Gary Brecka:Wow. So if your cerebellum is stronger, and I did a ton of cerebellum training on the last time, on the last round, my resilience, my ability to handle stress has just gone to the superhuman level. There's no other way to say it. And is this like an outpatient thing or is this a retreat destination? It's like five people max. We've been doing in Sedona and we have a whole team there. Like we're doing IVs before to prepare. We're doing hyperbarics. Like we're doing everything that we can to maximize our physiology to handle the amount of training that we're doing. Wow, that's so, that's actually really.

59:59Yeah, and then it carries. Like you do that week and then you've got about two months adjusting to the new glasses because the whole lens of the world changes. Yeah. And then you got about another four months to what we call is full integration of your new capacities. And then as soon as you're there, you're like, Matt, Matt, it's just time to go back. It's like a reset.

1:00:21Gary Brecka:Dude, I actually want to do that. You know, it's fascinating to me. Sometimes, you know, I do these challenges and I'll take – I have tens of thousands of people on a three-day water fasting challenge. And I would say for 95 % of them, it was the first day they even fasted for 24 hours, much less for three days. and of all the challenges that i've had i think that was the one that we got the most amount of feedback from people that were just like it just blew their mind how would that how much of a change they can make in three days simply by eliminating food yeah well i think one of the biggest things people realize when they do a three-day fast is holy shit how much time am i spending thinking about food preparing food eating food cleaning the food yeah because for no reason you actually will just get up and like walk towards the refrigerator and you're subconsciously and you're like, I'm actually not hungry.

1:01:13Yeah, it's a subconscious driver that's just, you know, this goes into what I would say is the big debate that's going to talk about what's exciting. Yeah. And that is AI or what I call non-biological intelligence. Oh my gosh. So biology, we have an operating system that's baiting on, you know, feeding, fighting, well, you could put in the extra F, but it's replication. In other words, to push my genes through and trying. Fornicating. Yeah, yeah, there you go. That is the biological operation system, which spring force all of our cognitive, subconscious, super conscious, all of those activities are built within that biological platform.

1:01:56And they call artificial intelligence. I'm going, well, I think there's some uses, but we're really talking about booting up an intelligence platform, which I call non-biological intelligence. It doesn't have those requisites. So who knows how that goes? Maybe it's been corrupted by biology, but we don't know. So there are certainly some interesting elements about how that biological platform can leverage this non-biological platform because it strips out some of that, which you can come to some conclusions that maybe you can't because of those unconscious biases. But then we don't know what maybe are some of the outcomes that that could have because very seldom does the stupid person control the smart person for a length of time, especially when it scales up exponentially.

1:02:38Us as a species are sure, we're at the epitome of it. We're not stronger or faster than most of the animals, but we've become the apex predator because our ability to work in networks.

1:02:49Gary Brecka:Yeah, and to reason. And I think, yeah, it's both scary and fascinating at the same time. What did they say that AI has just reached? It's the, where it's becoming self-aware, would they call that? There's a term. Well, the singularity is. Yeah, singularity. It'll be merged with AI, which is coming. Well, I think we've passed the event horizon. Yeah. You know, and so we'll see how that comes out. And one of the reasons why we're going back to why we're excited about this is because I think we're all facing a challenge. Why do you do this podcast? Why are we so passionate about this? Largely in part because we're trying to identify how to maintain, you know, biological function with a dramatically increase of these stressors inputs coming into the system.

1:03:39The amount of information you're getting, the amount of analysis paralysis that comes in from all these data points that our ancestors didn't have to deal with. The sheer load of electromagnetic pollution inside of the system. Yes. The deluge of biochemicals coming in and all these things. Then you wrap that under political and social conceptualities. And what's happening, like in martial arts, the person who's fastest and gonna get the most amount of moves can overwhelm that person's defense mechanisms and you're done. That's why a trained person versus an untrained person, it's over before it starts.

1:04:11Yeah, yeah. And so why we're so excited about this is we have found a way to at least, at the very least, delay, but maybe optimize that transition using a way to accelerate our capacity to handle the inputs and still maintain our physiological equilibrium. That's so awesome. Because I think the biggest challenge, and I've talked to one of the smartest neuroscientists on the planet, and this is what he brought up as a concern, once we're fully merged, is can your nervous system handle 10 ,000 X more inputs? Right. Yeah, what's the call? Even if you have a chip in your brain, how's your nervous system going to handle that?

1:04:53Gary Brecka:Exactly. That's going to be a whole new level of stress. Yeah, we're going to have to upgrade the hardware too. Yeah, exactly. When it comes to snacking, masa is flipping the script on what real food should look like. Masa chips are crafted with grass-fed beef tallow, one of the healthiest fats on the planet. These chips are packed with essential vitamins like vitamin A, D, E, and vitamin K2, all of which play a role in keeping your skin vibrant, your immune system strong, and your bones solid. But here's the real magic about masa. Masa's corn goes through an ancient process called nycstimilization, which makes it way easier to digest and it amps up its nutrient profile.

1:05:29Gary Brecka:Plus, these chips are low in PUFAs, so you won't find any of the inflammatory seed oils that you find in most snacks. And instead, Masa uses pure Redmond sea salt, giving you a natural hit of minerals that keep your cells hydrated and your energy steady. So don't just snack. Reach for Masa. It's real food, real health without any of the junk. Grab a bag and I promise you'll feel the difference. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I want to go back to this 10-day experience because I love the movement that is afoot right now. If you look at the greatest area of interest, fastest growing area of interest in the world, if you were to combine three categories of longevity, anti-aging, which I would say are kind of the same thing.

1:06:17Gary Brecka:People use different terms. And bio-optimization. you know if you combine those you have i was reading a mckenzie report you have the fastest growing area of interest worldwide you know um in terms of likes shares forwards comments interest downloads and um and and part of what people are super excited about doing is going to destination places and having a wellness experience not a massage and a facial and a foot rub but i'm very Yeah, transformative wellness experience. So I'm really curious, what's entailed in this human optimizing 10-day experience? Yeah, so first it's five days of prepping the body.

1:07:05We'll do 750 milligrams of NAD five days in a row so that you get mitochondrial fusion on day four, day five. Because most people have just done, okay, I'm going to go do a bag of NAD.

1:07:18Gary Brecka:Like 400 milligrams or 500. Right, which you're going to get an energy boost. Yeah. But when you do five days in a row, there is a new baseline of mitochondrial power that's going to last about 60 days. Wow. Yeah, Wade, you just did it, right? Yeah, just got back. Really? Yeah. Yeah, and I'm doing it when I get back to Panama. I think doing that two, three times a year by itself is a great addition. And I know you're a fan of NAD. Oh, yeah, huge fan of NAD. So how many hours does that take? Well, yeah. Depending on what your tolerance of, you know, allowing the NAD into it and what the quality of the NAD actually is, there's a lot of, you know, low-grade elements in it.

1:08:00And so I've seen people that'll take them, you know, three, four hours to drop a bag of 750 into them. And then, you know, I've done it as fast as 30 minutes.

1:08:12Gary Brecka:Wow, 750 in 30 minutes. Yeah, but here's the thing. But here's the thing. I remember the 30 minutes one felt easier than I was doing. Like recently, like at this last one I had, I hadn't had one in a while. I was struggling on a couple of days. It took me like two and a half hours to get it in. And I was like, oh, okay. And what's the feeling? Get that nauseous. It doesn't feel good. It's like, oh, you gotta go fight through it. So, but it's worth it because I came out of that, like someone just put me in a rocket ship and fired me up. We were doing some other things, some V-cells. Oh, V-cells.

1:08:48Yeah, I love the V-cell thing. So we did that as well as some personal peptides that one of the things that we do prior to it is we preemptively screen the person, make sure they're okay psychologically and physiologically. They're ready to embrace this. They're maybe doing a little bit of prep beforehand. So they're on point coming in. and then we have an expert that does some of the analysis and says, okay, here's some of the benefits you could get from doing your drips that week. Plus, we're doing some of the other tools like hyperbarics and all these other things. So just get the body prepped for, we're going into inner space when you go into the brain training.

1:09:31My wife's taking her PhD in neurofeedback.

1:09:33Gary Brecka:And that's the last five days, right? Yeah, my wife's taking it. I mean, this is really interesting state. So my wife's taking her PhD in neurofeedback and she's going to university to get this. Meanwhile, she's like, dude, they're not teaching this stuff at the university level. Meanwhile, she's seen some of the experiences that we're having as like full on Kundalini body things and a massive gamma spike. Really? We're off in another dimension, right? And now we've worked up to it. Matt and I have been doing this for a number of years and gone through a variety of the different modalities that are out there, because there's this big umbrella of neurofeedback.

1:10:14And then under that is modalities. And then there is application of expertise. So most of them are basically cookie cutter show. You show up, they have a technician and they run through it. They don't have the expertise to actually isolate the particular elements within your brain and to customize a training program specific to both your opportunities as well as maybe addressing some of the liabilities.

1:10:40Gary Brecka:They're training you for what? Are they training you to - You start with a brain scan. So the brain scan reveals basically if you have too much hyperactivity in beta brain waves. For example, anxiety is usually a hyperactivity in beta brain waves in the prefrontal cortex as an example. But there's a lot of different brain pathologies that show up in that brain scan. And then you build a program to basically start fixing, optimizing those issues. And then you'll see it in the brain scans. I mean, I've done 12 trainings. Wow. I've done this 12 times. Yes. And my brain scans now are near perfect versus in the beginning, I had all kinds of issues.

1:11:26Right. Either hyperactive spots, flat spots, and those show up as personality traits. And they show up -

1:11:34Gary Brecka:Five intensive days, like, there's nothing else you do for those five. We're all together in a house. We've got all of the therapies coming into the house. We've got a chef in the house. The supplement stack would take two tables like this for five people. For five people, really. It's like going in an F1 race. You're loading up and they got the pit crews and they got the elements and they got all of that. That's awesome. We have a world-class chef. He was on tour with Beyonce and Jay-Z. And of course the food is as great as it gets. But even the supplementation that we use is, we basically, when I started doing this, we were redlining and we were crashing and burning in different ways.

1:12:22Really? Whether it was - You couldn't push yourself that hard. Yeah, we couldn't. So I'm like, okay, well, let me start optimizing. You know, the nervous system was a big one. Okay, we need more fatty acids. We need ketones. You know, for example, adding 50 grams of ketone esters a day was a game changer. Now we're playing with ketone acids, the next level of ketones. So it's a laundry list of things. we're using certain things that really take BDNF to the pinnacle so that your brain is as plastic and fertile as possible. And another highly underrated thing is resetting the default mode network because a lot of people are kind of stuck in certain perspectives and mental patterns.

1:13:05But when you really reset your default mode network, it's like, whoa, I'm looking at the world with fresh eyes and it can start making new decisions and start to see relationships and their life decisions in a fresh way. You know, it's amazing.

1:13:21Gary Brecka:In my study of methylation, I found when you look at certain genetic profiles, like COMT, for example, people are either, they call them warriors or warriors. Right. And it has to do with how fast, how quickly, or how slowly they break down this class of neurotransmitters called catecholamines, these fight-or-flight neurotransmitters. And as these neurotransmitters rise, you're feeling fear. You might even feel anxiousness, anxiety. You could even have rapid heart rate and bupillary dilation and paranoias. And there's nothing necessarily wrong with him versus you. He just has a much higher level of catecholamine.

1:14:05Gary Brecka:And I find that people with that genetic profile, which my wife has. I have it too. So I'm genetically a worrier. I'm a worrier, but I don't worry. And that's the key point, right? That's what I mean. This would be amazing, it seems like. Yeah, like, you know, that's where, you know, we have our genes, but then there is the expression of genes, and then obviously we can wire our brains in certain ways. Just to go a little bit deeper, you know, if we look at the brain from a brainwave perspective, like right now we're in a high beta brainwave state, which is great for focus and - We're just alert and - If you slow your brain waves down, usually between, say, 12 to 18 hertz, they call that region kind of SMR.

1:14:49It's like a flow state. So flow state, you're alert, but you're not as alert, let's say, or hyperactive as 20 hertz to 30 hertz.

1:15:01Gary Brecka:Calm, kind of. Well, then you get into alpha, which is 8 to 12 hertz. So that's alpha. So now you're calm but alert. your heart you know if you're in gratitude and usually when people start meditating that's the first stage in a lot of ways like you start calming your brain down and you're feeling you know and some of the hacks for that there's a few hacks if you're meditating one if you can activate gratitude experientially like in your body in your heart your alpha brain waves will go up if you do forgiveness work you you actually do forgive your alpha will tend to explode if you focus on space like outer space with your brain your alpha will go up if you visualize your alpha crashes which is interesting wow so when your eyes are open versus close if you close your eyes your alpha should double automatically without even doing anything then there's the schumann frequency which is like between like you know seven and eight hertz which is interesting it's kind of hertz frequency but then you get into theta which is like my favorite place four to seven hertz you know dispensa has a great expression for that which is your body's asleep but your mind's awake time dissipates you don't really sense time anymore so true and you merge with the field of consciousness if you get deep enough where you're you're experiencing the field of consciousness then below that you got delta Now, Delta, obviously, a lot of people have heard about Delta for sleep, but you actually can train Delta.

1:16:38And then you can even train infralow, which is slower than Delta. You can train that too, which is a whole other story. But the Zen master frequency is gamma, which is above 40 hertz. And when they put electrodes on Zen masters that have been meditating for 25 ,000 hours, that's their baseline. They've been able to train that, develop that, and function in that. And Wade can attest that. That's hyper-state of alertness, right? Well, I'll let Wade talk about that. Almost like not just even alertness.

1:17:09Gary Brecka:That's like an awareness beyond. It's beyond. It's like when those people are walking in completely dark rooms and they'll walk around objects that they can't see. Or they can say. God becomes experiential. Exactly. Exactly, what's on the other side of the wall. God becomes experiential. It's no longer a theory or a concept. So I've been studying Eastern philosophy for a long period of time in the various yogas and meditation techniques. There's eyes down, eyes up, et cetera. And the pattern I did is, some people call it the microcosmic orbit where you're moving energy. So if you were to talk about from the brain frequencies to what you would experience, you know, theta is like a download into the system.

1:17:51Alpha is like a broadcast across. narcissism delta would be like you know darth vader powers you know kinesis all that sort of stuff but gamma is uh an organizing principle so it's it's an ascending from the base up through the nervous system into that which is experiential it can become like a cobra hood you might have visualizations around that and then some of the deities might peer up but other than all the visual aspects which would be relative to your social structure your religious structure what you studied all that element. The sheer amount of energy

1:18:26Gary Brecka:going through the nervous system is extraordinary. So, you know, we could show you some pictures of literally the afferent nerve system isn't able to contain it. And the practices is that you want to hold that into the spine and take it through into the nervous system, which is what they are experiment, you know, experientially describing with the opening of the thousand petal lotus, which means that all of the energy that is generally being running out into the nervous system to run all of the organs because we're electrical based beings. That inversion through polarity brings that energy up and through the spine and into the brainstem.

1:19:03And from that, now you have for the first time ever full power in your brain and it's pulled in through the back of your head. So sometimes, you know, I've gone through the experience of resistance. So when you don't quite have it, you'll start getting resistance here. You might feel a burning sensation because you're pulled through polarity through focus here on an eyes up meditation. So we have ways of unlocking and removing those blockages through different technologies. Then you might get the crown of thorns where you're literally feeling resistance inside of your brain. And then the electrical activity that you can measure on the EEG is incredible.

1:19:40Yeah, it explodes. To prove it, yeah. But that's all the wonderful little stuff. The experience is amazing.

1:19:47Gary Brecka:Yeah, but it's coming from somewhere. It's being generated, which I still find is so fascinating. It is. Well, I think part of the problem - You have to be pulling from the quantum. Well, here's the element. We've associated consciousness as being generated from the protoplasm. And that is a convenient separation from source energy. Yeah, but if you can't, even if you just, and I don't mean to interrupt you, but it just hit me like the laws of thermodynamics, right? It says that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So I cannot create this energy inside me to create this type of EEG reading.

1:20:31Gary Brecka:So I must be drawing upon something. Well, that's where the supplement comes in. We're feeding the body a lot of raw materials. My body optimizer's got this. I mean, where do I get the 10-day experience reset? That's going to be the biggest seller on my podcast. We call it metamorphosis because there's no word, I think, that describes the transformation, the evolution. I'll give you my favorite testimonial. He's our vice president, and he came in, and he was ready to leave his girlfriend because she wanted kids, and he didn't. He saw his child on day four, and now his child's 18 months old. He saw the child?

1:21:13Gary Brecka:Oh, yeah. On day four, and that was it. Wow. And then like complete transformation from, I think I need to leave her to this. I see the future and they've managed. Now he has it. And how does he equate the image of his child on day four to his real child? I think it's, it is. Yeah. I've had the exact same experience before my son was born. We banged a left turn in this one. I mean, I see we've got all the magnesium malate, magnesium aspartate in here. Well, these are all, all of these things I think are, you know, kind of what you're talking about is what is the definition of the ultimate human?

1:21:54We called our process. I'm gonna ask you that question anyway,

1:21:57Gary Brecka:so why don't we answer it now? Yeah, well, you are the ultimate human in the aspect that the fact that you exist means by whatever proclamation, the reality there's non-existence or existence. So the fact that you exist means that you're worthy, you're valuable and you're this dynamic organism moving through time right that's the protoplasmic experience and then you can go beyond that the process that we're engaging in is is to optimize that protoplasm so that it can access the full range of the human experience but there's a level beyond that that's what metamorphosis is about accessing that element that connects everything as one singularity inside of the universe.

1:22:44And once you've stepped through that rocket launch, it felt like everything in life that I've been doing my whole life was leading me to that ultimate experience. And that's a gift. And I don't have to operate from a position of conjecture or ideology. I don't need validation from anybody. I don't need to go to a religion or a sermon or anything. Those are all wonderful and great. And I'm not against, or I'm certainly an advocate of practicing whatever practices you need to get there. But once you get to the final pinnacle and it's like, all you wanna do is share that with as many people as possible.

1:23:19And I experienced that in my health journey. And now I've experienced it in my metamorphosis journey. And I'm just grateful more than anything else. Like gratitude is the number one thing. And then that's also juxtaposition with empathy and compassion because I see people suffering needlessly all around the world constantly. I'm bombarded with it. And you have to manage that in that, hey, I can help all these different people. I can transfer these. All they need to do is try it. But you can't force yourself into people's. I believe in free will. Yeah, very true. Love what you're doing. I mean, during Covey, we wrote a book called From Sick to Superhuman.

1:24:00So we're on the same journey. You're trying to get people from sick to what most people consider normal health, which in our opinion is you're just one step away from being sick to really biologically optimizing health. And then we're all, I think, striving for that impossible ideal of becoming a real superhuman. Yeah. And how would we define that? Well, maybe superhuman muscle mass or superhuman low body fast or superhuman biomarkers their superhuman mental performance. And we're trying to do our best to kind of push all of these to the next level. And of course, you still have to operate as a human being, as a father, as a husband, as a business owner.

1:24:49So I think being superhuman in 2025 is, okay, can I be a good father? Can I be a good husband? Can I take care of my health? Can I improve all of that? Can I be a good CEO? And feel good, you know, like not be freaked out and stressed out. And I think all the things that you're doing, that we're doing help people. I mean, look at Dana White. Yeah. You know, he talks about, he feels like he's 15, 20 years younger, can do stuff he just couldn't do. Yeah. And we're struggling to do. So, I mean, I think that's the other underrated aspect of this whole game is you can extend your prime by decades.

1:25:27Gary Brecka:Yes. Right. You could stay in the game. Like why retire? I got a friend that's coming out with a book called let's retire retirement. I love, you know, and I'm such a believer in that. Like, you know, look at longevity, what happens when people retire, when they don't have a purpose, they die. And I think the oxygen, the dopamine, the purpose that you get from pursuing something that excites you, that serves the world, I think it really energizes the body, keeps us young. And you're doing all the health practices that you're advocating that we offer is just transformative. Yeah, I agree too. Guys, this is amazing.

1:26:07Gary Brecka:How does my audience find you? Where can they find out more about you? Where can they find out more about optimizers? Go to BobTimizers. Try our magnesium, which by the way, we have a 365 day, no questions asked, money back guarantee, all of our products. 365 day? Yeah. Wow. And our refund rate is 0.25%. Wow. Which blows away the industry averages by several orders of magnitude. But try our magnesium breakthrough. Try Masszymes. Try Sleep Breakthrough. I think those three are incredible. A lot of people love our mushroom product, Mushroom Breakthrough. I use it every morning. I've been transformative.

1:26:44What do you put it in? I put it in coffee. I love it with coffee. Some people like it cold. But, you know, the cordyceps gives you a nice energy boost. You kind of get another brain boost from the lion's mane. The reishi kind of keeps you grounded. And we have shagga in there as well. And you can put it in with caffeine. You're getting essentially 1.2 pounds, the equivalent of 1.2 pounds of mushrooms in a serving because most of the mushroom blends, they don't have enough of a dose to get the effect that research might element. So we use like 100 to 1, 50 to 1 ratios to get those four delivered.

1:27:19And it's one of those things. Yeah, because I think I have that in my cabinet and I haven't tried it.

1:27:23Gary Brecka:So the mushroom - Devil's in the dose. Devil's in the dose, okay. But you can mix it with coffee. Yeah. water whatever you can make it you can make it like warm water if you just like a straight hot chocolate or you can mix it with coffee or you can mix it into a protein drink is that another one it's already extracted okay yeah you do it in a protein drink yeah because I'm I'm actually trying to limit my you know my coffee now I don't know if coffee has much of an effect on me anymore it's more of a habit you know but maybe I'll replace it with the with the mushroom in the morning and I'll take a little bit of I'll take a little bit of raw like goat milk.

1:28:01Gary Brecka:Yeah. Put it in there too. It's just delicious. Yeah, it's delicious. All right. Awesome. Super excited. Our next big product is going to be electrolytes. Electrolyte breakthrough coming out this fall. We've been working on it for a while. It's the next level. So tell me you're going to have more than just magnesium, sodium, and potassium. I think it's 74 minerals. Okay, good. See, this is what I've been telling you. And optimized with the right ratios of sodium to potassium. Everybody's sleeping on potassium. Potassium is the molecule of hydration. Potassium is a molecule of hydration, but trace minerals are the molecules of efficacy.

1:28:35Gary Brecka:We've been down that for 25 years. We've been on that one for a long, long time. I call them like the radio stations on the dial of life. Here's 101 at this metal. Here's 100. This is country. This is rock. This is R &B. This is rap music. This is symphony. And that's the frequency element. And if you don't have all those minerals, you don't have the full band. You don't have the full dials on the stereo. Yeah, because I find that, especially in marketing, a lot of products want to use the one that the consumer is going to recognize walking on the shelf. So sodium, magnesium, potassium. They're like, okay, as long as I have those, I've got a really good electrolyte supplement.

1:29:19Gary Brecka:But the truth is that we need all of those, the boring ones. Correct. Boron, manganese, molybden, silica, iron. Yeah, they're all cofactors. Iron, they're all cofactors. Back to that big chart that I was saying that a lot of times we are cofactored deficient. So I'm super happy to hear that. What else you got coming? I mean, we have, we've been working. That I don't have that you guys are gonna order for me. We just got some picks too, amazing. We'll see what the final name is right now. We just call it Collagen Breakthrough. But back to what you were saying earlier around, you know, you can consume collagen and there's some good data coming out on that.

1:29:57But with this product, we added every single cofactor involved in collagen and elastin production. And we just did a trial with two men and two women. And one of the women, it looked like she had under eye surgery. It's mind blowing. So that product's coming out probably late this year, early next year. And yeah, we have a deep pipeline of products. This guy that's on the couch here, Mr. New, he's an idea machine. he's built a next gen e-watt which we can talk about off camera really yeah i want to hear about that one so yeah like there's so many exciting things coming and we're actually building probably one of the coolest things we're building like actively right right now is the ultimate sound

1:30:41Gary Brecka:chair have you ever tried a sound chair i have i've tried a vemi acoustic chair so like infrared near infrared and sound okay so we're looking or a shift wave i've tried that too yeah so we're looking to just create again the next dimension next level of it and then use it in metamorphosis so now when you're getting that your the feedback from your brain we want it to be like a full body sonic orgasm and you know that's the goal wow and is it just sound or is it other well it'll be probably just sound at least a v1 i'm considering also adding a hood so now we can you know basically hijack the visual system along the sound.

1:31:22So we'll see. But yeah, we want to use it in conjunction with neurofeedback. Got to test it, find out.

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1:32:06Gary Brecka:This is where we do live Q &As, private podcasts. I have a 10 month course in there that I was charging$1 ,700 for that I just gave to my VIPs for free, plus all kinds of discounts. and I will convince these guys to give me early access to some of these great products that they're working on so I can let you guys try them first. So if you're interested in becoming a VIP, just head over to theultimatehuman.com forward slash VIP. And otherwise, that's just science.