In short
Dana White and Gary Brecka recap Dana’s 3-year health turnaround, using lab-driven claims (improved blood viscosity, kidney function, triglycerides, homocysteine, insulin, A1c, vitamin D, thyroid markers) and lifestyle basics (keto reset, whole foods, routine, supplements, cold plunges/red light/PEMF). They also discuss Dana’s new UFC/Paramount media rights deal (~$7.7B), why live sports keep pay-per-view relevant, and upcoming fights (Canelo-Crawford Sept 13; UFC events including Power Slap).
Guests
Dana White (UFC president; also involved in Power Slap; longtime testosterone replacement; says he’s not using GLP-1s/truzebitide/semaglutide/retatratide). Gary Brecka (health/lab-focused practitioner; promotes “methylated” supplements like trimethylglycine; cites many Lyme disease success stories).
Key claims
Dana went from “critical” health (sleep apnea, leg pain, vomiting, brittle hypertension on beta blockers/ACE inhibitors, high triglycerides, high homocysteine, hyperinsulinemia, early renal failure) to “no meds,” normal BP, A1c 5.3, insulin down from >32 to ~9, homocysteine 7, triglycerides 79, EGFR in 90s. They argue results came without expensive equipment or GLP-1 drugs.
Notable examples
Dana’s cousin allegedly diagnosed with Lyme after Mayo couldn’t find cause; Gary’s protocol reportedly helped within 3 days. Dana describes cold plunges everywhere (including hotel cold plunge arranged by a general manager).
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Chapters
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0:00 to 14:00
“Gary said, give me 13 weeks and I'll change your life.”
Health Transformation and Insulin Levels
14:00 to 16:20
Learn about Dana White's health transformation, focusing on his insulin levels and lifestyle changes.
“right now, by the way, the final marker that I want to just talk about is insulin.”
The Future of Pay-Per-View and Media Deals
16:20 to 20:13
Discover insights on the evolving media landscape and the impact of Dana White's new deal on UFC fans.
“My son gets an$80 pay-per-view sometimes twice in a month.”
Sustaining Health and Lifestyle Choices
20:13 to 23:29
Explore how to maintain health and overcome challenges in wellness routines after significant changes.
“And I'm telling you, everybody got some bad news for you.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Dana White:Gary said, give me 13 weeks and I'll change your life. Nobody could fix anything that was wrong with me. I probably was going to die within years.
0:07Gary Brecka:A lot of what we did was not fancy multi-million dollar equipment. A lot of it was keto reset diet, getting into a routine, dietary and lifestyle changes.
0:15Dana White:It didn't take 13 weeks. It took six and it started to feel so good that you become addicted to feeling that good. Look at this guy.
0:22Gary Brecka:He's like TKO. He started to slap. He just signed his deal with Paramount, which is all over the news right now.
0:27Dana White:The streaming is on the rise. So these streaming services are realizing they all need live sports. Everything that I'm doing in my life and in my business, literally none of this would be happening had I not finally connected with you three years ago.
0:40Gary Brecka:This deal that you just did, I mean, the fact that it's going to be so impactful. I think about where you were when we started, where you are now to say, once you feel this good, you never, ever want to go back.
0:53Dana White:I'll say it again. For all you people that think it's a crock of shit, And all you guys in the industry and you're out there criticizing.
1:13Gary Brecka:Oh, this is amazing, dude. Welcome back, Dana White. You know, you stopped by the house today in Miami. And I was like, we got to go do a three-year anniversary recap.
1:24Dana White:because yeah i mean we were just sitting in there having breakfast and he starts going through my original numbers and what they meant three years ago and you know i'm out here dropping my daughter off at college um we just announced our new rights deal this week power slap is off the charge seven and a half billion dollar rights deal i'm going into uh the canelo crawford fight on september 13th uh noche the same night uh and the list goes on and on with the business and literally none of this would be happening had i not uh finally connected with you three years ago thank you man that means
2:02Gary Brecka:a lot to me that's a fact it's a fact and it really does i mean for for there there were a lot of naysayers out there like is he's going to sustain it or he's just taking steroids or
2:11Dana White:um i love naysayers the naysayers get me up in the morning um you know when we sold the ufc in 2016 everybody said oh they overpaid the ufc peaked and all this bullshit it's just uh and i said this before and i'll say it again um you know everywhere i go i i end up saying well gary brecca said well gary brecca said and and everybody thinks i'm some paid puppet and uh you know definitely not you are a pain puppet not only am i not paid to do this i paid to do this he paid for an iv today but i say it all the time gary brecca everything that is said about this thing this guy everything that i say it's it's all real i started this journey three years ago carrie case i'm a good friend of mine was terrorizing me to meet gary and she's like he's going to change her life I didn't want to meet him.
3:06Dana White:I wasn't into this. I didn't believe in any of this. I believed in modern medicine. Now I am the complete opposite. Um, like I say all the time, if I break my arm, I'm going to see a doctor. If I, if something's wrong with me, health-wise, I'm calling Gary Brecka. I'm getting Gary on the phone. Um, and there's just so much more that I could say on how legit this guy is and the things that he's capable of doing. And, uh, I'm just, listen, I'm lucky I met you, man. I'm lucky I met you. That means after you rip through this thing again and tell everybody what it really meant. And even me and my wife, uh, when we talk about that, you said, you know, you probably had 10 years to live.
3:46Dana White:We don't agree with you. We think that I probably had less.
3:49Gary Brecka:Yeah.
3:49Dana White:We think that I probably had less than 10 years to live. I was in, in really, really bad shape, man. And I think, I mean, in bad shape, like, Oh, I couldn't work I was in bad shape. Literally my, my, my health was at a critical point that I probably was going to die within years.
4:06Gary Brecka:Yeah. Yeah. I believe that. And we've had a journey with some of your family members. I won't mention them, but, um, older female members in your family would be, you know, um, uncles of yours. I mean, we've, we've had some really interesting, um, health journeys and, in Lyme disease and other, and other conditions that are now in, in, in remission. Yeah.
4:27Dana White:I just you know, he's been battling Lyme disease. Now my cousin, my cousin was, uh, you know, he's in his sixties and, and he was starting to have a lot of problems. I go on this motorcycle trip every year and, uh, half of his face got paralyzed. His, his hand is that side of his, uh, body wasn't working either as his hands. And as we were leading up to the, to the trip, I said, I'm not going to listen. I'm no doctor, but I said, he's got, he's having a stroke or a heart attack or something. So I flew him out to the Mayo clinic. They did all the tests on him and they couldn't figure out what was wrong with him.
5:09Dana White:He spent three days in their cardiac unit. Yeah, exactly. And, and, and again, no bullshit. Fuck would I lie for it? we were at a bar in Tennessee and, and he was getting, you know, worse and worse and worse. I said, I called my assistant and I said, call Gary Brecca right now, send David's blood work to Gary Brecca and, and, and ask him to look at it for me. I shit you not. In 30 minutes, gary calls me i'm still at the bar he says yeah this is plain as day your cousin has lyme disease that's what he has he has lyme disease and how you know he's from the northeast and you know how he couldn't gary sent over a protocol while we're on vacation on this motorcycle ride within three days my cousin david started looking better feeling better completely cured him it's not even an issue for my cousin now this is one like he said there's been several things in my family This is one of 15 to 20 Gary Brecker stories.
6:15Dana White:I could tell you, um, I'll say it again for all you people that think it's a crock of shit and all you guys that think you're the fucking in the industry. And, you know, you look like you're on a bunch of fucking steroids, uh, and you're out there criticizing. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't, don't hook up with Gary. Don't do it. Call your doctor and good luck to you. Anyway.
6:39Gary Brecka:So I just, you know, it's our three year anniversary almost to the month. And, you know, you're on the heels of one of, I think one of the biggest deals in, in pay-per-view and media history. I want to get your comments on that too, because I wonder if you think that, you know, pay-per-view is dead. But before we get into that, I want to, I want to just go through your labs. I want to just talk about the condition for people that understand labs. You know, we put these on the, on, you were very, you were very truthful about these in the beginning. You were like, fuck it, throw it on, uh, you know, social media.
7:11Dana White:The only reason that I am is because I'm trying to tell people, you know, yeah, you're 50 or whatever your age is. My legs, I could barely put my shoes on. My legs were in pain all the time. Um, uh, I had sleep apnea beyond belief. I used to throw up almost every night, um, choking, waking up, gasping, coughing, you know, and I have access to the best healthcare in the world. I can literally fly other places and meet new doctors and do things. Nobody could help help me. Nobody could fix anything that was wrong with me. It was either a new set of pills or a, or a new mask for the CPAP machine and, uh, you know, all that bullshit.
7:51Dana White:Yeah. So we, um, I wanted to share that with people to let people know there's, there's, there's other alternatives and you can feel great. My life over the last three years, everything that I'm doing in my life and in my business
8:04Gary Brecka:about to head out on another motorcycle trip here tko yeah i'm flying all over the place um i'm
8:10Dana White:literally not going to be home this entire month but none of this none of this would be happening right now if it wasn't for you and i'm so deeply appreciative of that and i want people to hear
8:19Gary Brecka:this message because a lot of what we did was not fancy multi-million dollar equipment a lot of it was keto reset diet getting into a routine um eating whole foods when he came off of a keto diet, basic supplements, methylated multivitamins, trimethylglycine to bring down homocysteine and, and just watching mainly what went in his mouth. Yes, there was red light therapy and PEMF and cold plunges and saunas and that kind of thing, but that's widely available to, to the public. You can actually take a cold shower. You can throw, uh, you know, water in a Tupperware container, put it in your freezer and put it in your tub and make your, make yourself a cold plunge.
8:53Gary Brecka:And you can actually get memberships to places that have red light therapy beds. You do not need to spend a hundred grand on a red light therapy bed. And I know a lot of the criticism that you and I get for the journey that we've been on is that this is only for rich people. This is only for the elite. And the majority of what he did, grounding, breathwork, sunlight, whole food diet, you know, a 10-week keto reset, getting into a routine, not missing a workout, steady state cardio, taking things like hydrogen water and perfect aminos and just basic supplementation that you could get for 60, 90,$100 a month.
9:28Gary Brecka:at online or on Amazon from plenty of reputable places. That's what moved the needle for him. There was no steroids. There was no truzebitide, semaglutide, retatratide, none of these fancy GLP-1 inhibitors. We didn't do any of those. And it's actually the opposite.
9:43Dana White:When you say steroids, yeah, I'm on testosterone replacement therapy. And I always was. I was on it for a long time. I was taking the wrong kind, taking the wrong dosage, and he actually dropped my dosage of what I was taking. and I never felt better with the way that Gary did it.
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10:52Dana White:Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.
10:55Gary Brecka:Yeah, we went from a single injection every two weeks to multiple injections a week and spread out a lower dosage, brought your estrogen down. But just going through some of the labs here, you know, so the day we met, hematocrit, which is a measure of blood viscosity, tells you how close is your blood to water, how close is your blood to motor oil. Your blood was very much like motor oil. It was over 51 on a LabCorp lab, which means that the blood was getting to be like the viscosity of olive oil. Um, when we looked at the kidney function, it was, um, early stage renal failure, you know, with a filtration rate in, in, uh, the high forties, low fifties.
11:34Gary Brecka:Um, this is, this is an indication of, of, of early stage, you know, kidney, kidney failure, the triglycerides, which we keep going back to fasted were 764. Um, I just want to say now the triglycerides are, are 79 total cholesterol 190 um egfr is in the 90s meaning the filtration rate of the kidneys has dramatically improved um there was a lingering epstein-bar viral infection that's gone um one of the one of the hallmark labs that i talk about a lot and one of the reasons why i wanted to put dana back on this podcast and talk about where we are three years from when we started was his homocysteine this is an amino acid that's in everybody's blood it's in your blood listening to this podcast.
12:16Gary Brecka:It's in mine, it's in his. When this amino acid rises, it can irritate the lining of the arteries and cause arterial constriction and drive blood pressure up. At the time, Dana White was what was called a brittle hypertensive and you were on beta blockers and ACE inhibitors. These are lower blood pressure lowering medications. We used a simple amino acid called trimethylglycine to metabolize this homocysteine out of the bloodstream. As the homocysteine came down, your blood pressure, if you remember, returned to normal. And it's still normal. And you're not on blood pressure meds. I just want to say we're three years.
12:54Dana White:Not on any meds.
12:56Gary Brecka:Homocysteine, for the record, guys, is seven. His hemoglobin A1c, the three-month average of your blood sugar, was over six. 6.4. You're a full-blown diabetic at 7.0. You're an insulin-dependent diabetic. He was unaware of that. Hemoglobin A1c right now, maintained by diet, 5.3. So when you just look, when I look through these labs and, you know, his vitamin D3 level was in the low 20s, it's now between 60 and 80 nanograms. His thyroid hormone T3 was in the hypothyroid range. We did not put him on thyroid meds. We put him on methylated vitamins. Why? Because methylation is the precursor for deiodinization of the thyroid in the liver.
13:42Gary Brecka:You cannot deiodinize T4 into T3 without things like selenium and selenocysteine and selenomethionine. And these come from the process of methylation. So basic supplementation, dietary and lifestyle changes. And look at this guy. He's like, we've got TKO. He started slap. He just signed his seven plus billion dollar deal with Paramount, which is all over the news right now, by the way, the final marker that I want to just talk about is insulin. He was hyperinsulinemic with insulin level above 32. His insulin is now nine. So, and I want to be clear without Tiers Epitide, Majora, Wagovee, Ozempic, and without the GLP-1s, I have nothing against the GLP-1s, but this was not a massive pharmaceutical intervention.
14:26Gary Brecka:This was the absence of pharmaceuticals and getting back to the basics.
14:32Dana White:The amount of supplements that I take a day now are less than the amount of pills I took back then.
14:39Gary Brecka:Wow.
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14:40Dana White:Yeah.
14:41Gary Brecka:I didn't know that.
14:41Dana White:Wow. Yeah.
14:42Gary Brecka:I mean, I knew that you were on a lot, you're on stuff from Meneers, all kinds of stuff.
14:46Dana White:I was on thyroid meds back then too. I was on a bunch of shit that made me feel terrible. And, uh, you know, like you said, I'm, I'm three years into this thing and I'm addicted, addicted to cold plunging. I never used to like to do sauna. Now I do the sauna and do the red I do all that stuff. I've, I've been very, uh, hardcore and regimented. Let's just say this. When Gary, when I first met Gary, Gary said, give me 13 weeks and I'll change your life. And I was, and he's like, it's going to be hard. I said, no, it won't. When I set up my mind, I'll, I'll, you know, 13 weeks, it didn't take 13 weeks.
15:20Dana White:It took six and it started to feel so good that you become like addicted to feeling that good. So I was hardcore for a long time. Now I jump in and out of keto. Like I'm going to Chicago this weekend for the fight and I'm going to wreck Chicago. Somebody's going off of keto. I'm going to, I'm going to go, I'm going to eat some food in Chicago. And then, you know, when I get back, I just jump back on my routine and do my thing. So I might, and my weight might fluctuate like this, but my health doesn't. It's, it's, it's incredible. Yeah.
15:57Gary Brecka:Since I got you in the seat, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you about this deal. I mean, this has got to be one of the biggest deals in pay-per-view and media history. And I hear all kinds, I was just reading about it online and people were like, this is the end of pay-per-view, you know, this, that side of media is dead. Like what?
16:12Dana White:what pay-per-view isn't dead yeah the business is is alive and strong i'm doing a pay-per-view this saturday yeah um but what's happening is is that uh cable television is is going in satellite and streaming is on the rise uh i mean netflix uh stock is higher than it's ever been and and and they're killing it but you know if there's a new show that i like called mob land and i've already watched this nine episodes i could watch that in a couple days or i can watch it two years from now it's always going to be there yeah destination tv is live sports so these streaming services are realizing they all need live sports so uh the battle is on for everybody to get what they're going to get and uh i um i think the pay-per-view is still a good business of the live but for our fans now instead of paying you know i saw a thing yesterday it was like $1 ,035 to be a UFC fan and, and get all the content.
17:10Dana White:Now it's like$104. I know it's incredible.
17:13Gary Brecka:My son gets an$80 pay-per-view sometimes twice in a month. He watches every single UFC pay-per-view religiously. And he's 24 years old.
17:22Dana White:He's not exactly. Yeah. Love you too, Cole.
17:25Gary Brecka:Um, he's not exactly hemorrhaging cash. Um, and, uh, and he was like, dude, this is the greatest thing to happened to the fans ever it's like this was the biggest best move for the fans to be able to to
17:37Dana White:see the sport it's great for the sport it's great for the fans and it's definitely good for the fighters it's it's a it's a win-win-win for everybody yeah because fighters used to get a
17:45Gary Brecka:percentage some of them would get a percentage of pay-per-view right now there's other ways
17:49Dana White:that all out mathematically you know and and uh yeah every time we knew a new rights deal fighter pay goes up and up and up so yeah it's good for everybody but i think about the three-year journey
17:59Gary Brecka:that we've been on, what you've accomplished in the last three years. I mean, first of all, slap, I feel like came out of nowhere. Um, and you and the, you and the Fertitta brothers, I think, you know, took another trip around the sun with, with, with that one. And just, um, did you just call them up one day and say, Hey, you guys want to run it again?
18:16Dana White:Yeah. I said, listen, I, you're not gonna believe this, but I'm into the slapping thing. Uh, want to do it again?
18:22Gary Brecka:Lorenzo say you're out of here. Frickin money. No, he said,
18:24Dana White:how much money do you need? Yeah.
18:27Gary Brecka:The last one went pretty well. that's awesome man so slap has been taken off tko i feel like the canelo fight is probably the biggest fight and i feel like again i i wouldn't call it myself a boxing fanatic but i'm a you know i'm a sports fan i'm a huge fan of the ufc i'm a fan of boxing i feel like boxing got sort of uh jokish there for a while almost there's just seemed to be a lot of these uh fights with with
18:52Dana White:older fighters fighting youtubers things like that well they had the uh like the like the fights everybody wanted to see never got made yeah that was the problem yeah or they got made too late and you know you know i'm not saying that i'm the guy that's going to come in and fix but i'm gonna i'm gonna give it a shot yeah i'm gonna give it a shot i mean i have less than zero arrogance about thinking that i'm gonna fix boxing because this thing's so broken but yeah i'm gonna give it a
19:18Gary Brecka:shot yeah no and i think the fans are looking forward to it dana um and and this this this deal that you just did. I mean, the fact that it's going to be so impactful for the, for the fans. I think about where you were when we started, where you are now, I'm not taking zero credit for that. You put in the effort, but there's somebody listening to this right now that just hasn't flicked that switch. It just either doesn't believe it or has an excuse not to start and just, you know, wants to, wants somebody to peel back the layers of the onion and promise them that it's going to work out. And this is why I sat down with Dana three years later to say, this is sustainable.
19:58Gary Brecka:Um, you know, I've had many, many, a client like Dana that says, once you feel this good, you never ever want to go back.
20:06Dana White:And, and even if you fall off the wagon badly and you go on a, you know, a bender, whatever a bender is for you, it's food or it's, you know, drinking alcohol party with your friends or whatever your bender is it's about having the knowledge on how to fix it and get back on your routine and get your life back together because i say it all the time we were just in italy for 10 days pizza pasta bread every day i ate twice a day and uh and then it's like all right now it's time to get back on the on the wagon now before when i was all busted up and you know you go see a doctor and they're just throwing pills at you and pills and pills and you never feel good and you feel like shit.
20:48Dana White:And I'm telling you, everybody got some bad news for you. 50, 50 is a whole nother animal. When you turn 50, man, the wheels start coming off the bus and it's just, you can get away with that shit when you're younger, when you get into your fifties, you can't. And, uh, and not just me, friends of mine that I've brought to you and we're all good now. I mean, all my friends that I, that I've brought to Gary that are over 50, that I went to school with, we're all good, man. We all feel great. We all feel young. We're all still doing what we love to do. And I imagine that some people that don't have the access to even good healthcare start to feel a sense of hopelessness.
21:27Dana White:Like, uh, you know, I can't stop this sleep apnea. I can't stop snoring. You know, my legs hurt my, this, my, that I'm telling you right now, this guy can fix everything. He can fix all your problems. He really is a wizard. It's, it's, it's unbelievable. And, uh, uh, I hope Gary outlives me. Cause I don't, I don't, I don't want to understand. I don't want to live in a world where I can't call Gary Brecken when I'm fucked up.
21:54Gary Brecka:I created a monster. Cause every, you know how often this guy texts me, can I drink this? Can I eat this? What do you think of this? That's junk. That's junk. That's okay. So true, man. But I created a monster. This guy flies cold plunges around the world and leaves them in hotels all over the world. If you're one of the beneficial like doorman that gets to actually stock his room, you probably have a cold plunge.
22:16Dana White:I literally, everywhere I go, a cold plunge is set up in my room. Everywhere. I was just on the boat. I was on a boat in Italy and they rented a really nice cold plunge on the boat. And I don't, it's like the old American Express commercials. I don't go leave home without a cold plunge.
22:34Gary Brecka:You know, I was staying randomly at the Peninsula Hotel in New York. and um i check in and a few minutes after i check in there's a knock on the door and he introduced himself he said hey i'm the general manager of the hotel samir the greatest gm of any hotel and he's unbelievable yeah and he goes i know that you're a good friend of mr white i just wanted to let you know he has a cold plunge here and and uh he said you're welcome to use it and they brought it into my room i cold plunged the whole time i was there they took it out Yep. I was like, Dana's not fucking around, dude. That was great.
23:07Gary Brecka:I know you're tight on time, man. I appreciate you sitting down and wrapping this up. It's a beautiful friendship we developed. And I love being on the journey with your family. I love you.
23:16Dana White:Thanks for changing my life, brother.
23:17Gary Brecka:You're welcome, man. And thank you.
23:19Dana White:Or saving my life, however you want to call it.
23:21Gary Brecka:Yeah, you're welcome. It's been a great journey with your family. And I'm looking forward to another three years. Me too, brother.
23:27Dana White:We'll sit down again in three years, guys.
23:29Gary Brecka:And as always, guys, that's just science. We'll be right back.
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Timestamps
00:00 Intro of Show
02:06 Dana White’s Health Journey with Gary Brecka
04:13 Dana’s Family Overcoming Lyme Disease
08:38 The Beginning of Dana’s Health Journey: Homocysteine in His Blood
14:54 The Six-Week Transformation
16:05 Pay Per View is Not Dead
19:36 Accomplishments in the Three-Year Health Journey with Gary
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