205. Dr. Josh Axe: On Longevity Secrets, Mitochondrial Health, Peptide Therapy & Parasite Infections

22:42Gary Brecka:You know, just luck of the draw, it happens, or God forbid they say it's hereditary, it's familial. So, you know, while we don't know the genesis of autoimmune, I would argue that if you eliminated some of the big four, mold mycotoxins, heavy metals, parasites, viruses, you would dramatically narrow down this idiopathic portion of this cause. I agreed. You know, let me say though, like go one step, maybe backwards with this too, in terms of what I think a big cause is. I think that those exposures are big. They're a huge part of autoimmune disease to your point. I think part of the reason though people become more susceptible to those microbes is because of the emotional, spiritual, and mental drain people have, like not getting enough sleep or dealing with these constant feelings of shame and regret.

23:37So we talked about Kenpo, and that's part of that Japanese medicine system that they're using over there. You know, within that system, they believe that certain emotions tax different organs. So if you're living with shame and guilt from the past, or let's say you have a regret, something's happened in the past and you haven't been able to let go and move on from it, they'll say that is the biggest thing that taxes your immune system, weakens your immune system. German New Medicine, if you're familiar with German New Medicine, this is a, German New Medicine is really the psychological component that makes us sick.

24:11German New Medicine. Yeah, it's based off of, I think, a lot of the ideas of this campo and Chinese medicine. But here's an example of what they believe with autoimmune disease. They believe part of autoimmune disease is the fact that your body is attacking itself. And that is due to the fact that you are emotionally attacking yourself. And they believe a lot of people with autoimmune disease say things like, you shouldn't have done that. Why did you say that? Negative self-talk, constantly beating themselves up, where they are reliving things that maybe their parents were critical of them. And so they have this thing that's kind of happening where they are literally attacking themselves over and over and over mentally.

24:51And sometimes it's in the subconscious.

24:52Gary Brecka:Yeah. And that's a contributor there. And I think what happens then is when you are overly busy, you're not sleeping well enough, all those things are adding up mentally. You're in this fight-or-flight state. Eventually, it's like your batteries burn out. We know this. We can talk about mitochondrial health, but those batteries get so depleted that now your body can't deal with all of the infections, the parasites, the mold, the viruses, the long COVID, all of those things, and then it just overtakes your immune system. And that's part of the process. Yeah, let's go into the mitochondria because I'd love to talk about that.

25:27Gary Brecka:I mean, I was saying that broad category of immunofatigue is just something that at 30 ,000 feet, the majority of the great thinkers would agree on. if you don't have a healthy immune system, you're in for a short ride. Well, think about it. Again, how many people have autoimmune disease today? How many people have cancer today? I mean, those two in particular, as much as any, those are caused by exactly what you're saying. And the vast majority autoimmune-wise are in women. And so it's very much to what you're saying, that it's not that it has a sexual bias. It's that women, for example, are more likely to have caregiver syndrome.

26:05Gary Brecka:I know this from the mortality space. That's right. And caregiver syndrome is a real syndrome where you just constantly put the needs of other people before your own, you know, your kids, your spouse, your career, what have you, and you're constantly just putting yourself further and further in the backseat. That's so good. You know, as we were talking about these ancient forms of medicine, they believed that the reason why women got breast cancer specifically is you think what the breasts are, they are for nurturing an infant and for sexual arousal. Well, they'll say one of the number of reasons why women get breast cancer is they give and they give and they give until they have nothing left.

26:38It's over-nurturing while not being nurtured yourself.

26:41Gary Brecka:Wow. Yeah. So when we talk about the mitochondria, the further I've gotten down the bandwagon of looking at longevity and anti-aging, you can't open that discussion without talking about the mitochondria. I mean, that is the powerhouse, the energy source inside the cell. I think everybody is familiar with the term. It's 10 % of our body weight. We've got about 110 trillion of these. I don't know who counted them, but I'll take their word for it. But we have about 110 trillion of these. And I still remember my biology class how bored I was studying the Krebs cycle. And now I've actually gone back and relearned it.

27:23Gary Brecka:You're so funny. Isn't that funny? Well, yeah, I was one of your... That makes no sense. It's so funny. So when we were at the Health Optimization Summit in Austin speaking together, you spoke right before me. And so I listened to your lecture. and I remember, you know, you're putting out, you put up methylation, you put up Krebs cycle, and I was laughing because I'm like, it is so funny that when I was in high school science class, I'm like, you know, I don't want to hear anything about the Krebs cycle, and now we're both going back and, you know, doing more research and study. Anyways, I appreciate, yeah, it's funny.

27:52Gary Brecka:So how do we care for this little microscopic organelle? Why is it so important? What, But how is it the genesis of or a driver of disease? How does it help us be more resistant to disease? And how could it be linked to longevity? Yeah. You know what's interesting? A few years ago, I shouldn't say a few years ago, my first two years in practice. And you work this hard too. So it's like I was working 60 hours a week, putting in so much time. And I started getting leaky gut, like loose stools, break out, like just these health issues, but especially digestive distress. And I thought, this is crazy.

28:30I'm eating perfectly. I'm eating like superfood smoothies and salads. And then I went to see an acupuncturist and he felt my pulse, looked at my tongue and he said, he goes, Dr. Axe, your battery is down here. It needs to be here. He kept showing me like how my, like your batteries deplete it. And I was like, okay, well, what do I need to do? And basically here's the biggest thing I did, Gary. Once it hit five o 'clock, once I ate dinner, I stopped working because I used to get home. And even while I was watching TV and I was on my laptop or my phone, like doing more work. And he's like, listen, you just have to take, he's like, I want you to take 30 minutes at lunch.

29:03And then once five o 'clock rolls around, you're done. No more work. I said, okay, I did that. Leaky gut fixed and healed completely from that one change. But it led me to understand this idea that we all have batteries. And part of these batteries in Western medicine, we talk about our mitochondria. And these batteries, our mitochondria, they run every single cell, every tissue, every organ of your body. And if that's depleted, you can't heal. When I'm thinking about the root issues for most people, it's threefold. And if we're talking about cellular medicine, it's cellular toxicity, cellular deficiency, and cellular energy issues.

29:43So we know toxicity issues. We've talked about everything from glyphosate to mold to, I would say, even pathogenic infections. Sugar acts as a toxin. So that's destroying our cells. The other thing is, again, just deficiencies, right? a lot of the things in the methylation cycle, methylfolate, zinc, vitamin D, magnesium, these are critical. But then there's this idea of cellular energy. And in Kempo, Chinese medicine, they would call this qi. This is your energy. And that's what mitochondria is today in this ATP, this cellular energy. And so in order to boost that the most, if we're looking at modern science and then ancient science, so modern science, they would say, there's this compound in pomegranates and raspberries called alligic acid.

30:27If you have a healthy gut microbiome, that can be converted into urolithin A, B, C, D, and E. That's an amazing compound for regenerating and healing mitochondria. I know that you, we were sitting down here, you were sharing with me some new technology, which I love. It's like, if I want to know what's new and going on and new products, nobody knows it before Gary Brucka. So I appreciate that. But you have this incredible new NAD Plus product you were sharing with me. that's an incredible compound. And so, yeah, pomegranates, NAD +, we know, again, even the methylation cycle is connected here.

31:01So getting these B vitamins is critically important. I mean, I like organs and glanulars for that if we're talking about sort of things that you're going to find that are completely food-based. But it's a lot of these nutrient-dense foods. And then outside of that, it's getting deep restorative sleep. It's tied to breathing and breath work, breathing properly, whether that be exercise or doing box breathing or those things. And the last thing that a lot of people don't talk about would be having a purpose in life. According to all these ancient forms of medicine, if you want to fuel your mitochondria, go deep, meditate, read the Bible, chew on what it says.

31:42It's tied to what they call the water element, which is tied to your adrenal glands. You want to go really, really deep in life. Most people today, it's like, I'm going to have a million friends. I'm going to be on social media. I'm doing like we spread ourselves really thin. No, mitochondrial health is all about going very deep spiritually, having a sense of purpose and taking action on that. You know, and I put this in a recent book that only 25 % of people know what their purpose is.

32:07Gary Brecka:Wow. And so 75 % of people are kind of wondering, not feeling like really in tune with what their calling is in life. And that leads to lack of motivation. That's going to affect things. But again, finding your purpose and living that out, huge for mitochondrial health. Over the last 20 years in human biology, one compound I've trusted again and again is NAD+. It's critical for energy, focus, and cellular repair. But your levels drop around age 30. I used to administer NAD via IVs in my clinics, but now I take Roe Nutrition's Liposomal NAD, the first oral formula that actually works. Their advanced delivery tech gets NAD straight into your bloodstream.

32:46Gary Brecka:I take one teaspoon daily and the results are real. Clean energy, sharper focus, and better recovery. You can try it risk-free with the Ultimate15 code at checkout for 15 % off. Just put in Ultimate15 at checkout, you'll receive 15 % off, and your cells will thank you. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. And how do you, would you, and I know you're not a psychotherapist, but I mean, how do people begin to find their purpose? I found mine, but I've sort of stumbled upon it. It was an epiphany that I had that I'm spending my life predicting death, and I've read tens of thousands of medical records, and I've been working with this model, and I've actually followed these, call them patients, clients, from when we did their initial mortality assessment through, and then we did a post-mortality assessment because in the life insurance business, you get that data.

33:46Gary Brecka:You get day, date, time, location, and cause of death because they need to file a death claim. And then you would go back into the predictive analytics and say how much of what we predicted was true. Did they die of cardiovascular disease? Did they die of, you know, multi-system organ failure, this autoimmune condition? You know, and it was that prediction correct. And I was very desensitized to that. and when i had this spiritual epiphany and and decided i wanted to move into helping people live healthier lives and happier lives longer lives i mean for me i've that was a massive spiritual rebel revolution i shed the old gary and i and i brought in the new and i've never looked back but i don't know that most people will have those epiphanistic moments you know sometimes i tell people well you don't know what your purpose is maybe you can find your purpose in your pain yeah that's right you know um some of the most passionate purpose-driven people impactful people i've ever met have been have overcome an addiction overcome uh a really rough relationship have overcome you know immense financial constraints and bankruptcies and then they they work their way out of that and now they're giving that back to the world but for people that are unclear yeah what what are some of the ways that you suggest that they narrow in on that yeah i think there's a few ideas here now there's a practical tool called ikigai and this is used in in japanese culture for finding what you always give me like words i've never heard well well yeah so but but here's here's what it is it's their word for an english podcast by the way you gotta speak english so so what it is is number one and everybody could write this down.

35:31This is such a great exercise. What are your gifts? What are those gifts you have? Is it hospitality? Is it serving others? Is it health? Is it mentorship? But what are those gifts you have? Number two, what do you love to do? Like what really brings you a sense of joy where you kind of get lost in things and lose time doing it? That's a second component. Number three is what are some opportunities that may lay before you? You know, thinking about that. And then the fourth, and this isn't always included, but sometimes, uh, they would include what can you, uh, make a living doing? What, what, what can, what, what can you, you know, uh, what can be tied to that?

36:12Monetize it. Yeah. And so, and that's sometimes included, not always within that, that exercise. And I'll say this as well. Here's another example of, of, I think what gives me a sense of purpose. So, um, I know we were talking about this earlier, Charlie Kirk passing. And I know that I've, I've so appreciated your, your, your posts and, and all that you've posted there. I mean, I, I was, um, I mean, I just cried. I cried yesterday because just, just seeing that, cause there's this picture of him with his two daughters and they're the same age as my kids right now. I, he had, I think a two and five year old.

36:45I have a two and five year old. And I just thought, wow, like, you know, there, there's a proverb it reminds me of in the Bible. And Solomon says, Lord, teach me to number my days that I may gain a heart of wisdom. Lord, teach me to count every moment precious. And so, you know, for me, purpose as a dad, you want to go as deep and meaningful as possible with your purpose. So for some people, you know, one of the greatest tragedies in the entire world today, and this is very high in the United States, is kids that grow up without a parent, right? It could be a father. I mean, And fatherlessness...

37:19Oh, fatherlessness.

37:20Gary Brecka:It's astounding, the statistics. Incarceration rates, recidivism rates. I mean, it's incredible. It is. And when you look at those statistics also, how it impacts health negatively is very, very extreme. In fact, it's one of the greatest things that could make you sick and deal with things like autoimmune disease is actually not having a father there. And so when you look at those stats, you realize how important that is. And so if you realize, but a lot of fathers haven't fully grasped this. There are some fathers who think, well, I'm a father if I just impregnate a woman and then that's it. And then even if I never show up again, that makes you a father.

37:55There are other fathers, and I had an amazing dad like this. Like my dad, I had such a good dad. My dad like provided for our family. He was like a great disciplinarian. Like my dad never missed, I played over a thousand, you know, I played basketball and soccer and whatever. I mean, thousands of games. and my i never remember my dad missing a single one that's not us and so that's a blessing man

38:19Gary Brecka:that's a true blessing it yeah i did the same for my kids but it's it's just such a blessing it is and i'm not saying that that's the standard everybody has to go go with but like that but my dad was just there and that meant so much but i think if you're going to the greatest depths of what it means to be a father i think one is understanding your kids are going to live for eternity eternity what a great responsibility you have of raising kids up not just now but impacting their eternity and their kids and their kids and helping them do a couple things. One, growing character, more kind, more loving, more wise.

38:54And then also finding that unique gift they have, that God-given gift and helping them cultivate that and refine that and grow in that. Because this is how people have the greatest impact in the world. The two things, they grow in character and they grow in their unique gift. That's how people have the greatest impact. Think about Michelangelo, he was an incredibly spiritual person, an amazing Christian person. And so he had a great amount of character, but with that, he took his gift to the highest level possible with that level of excellence. And so I think as a father, for me, if I have this realization and sense of purpose of God has called me to raise up two other human beings that are divine beings that are going to live for eternity and helping them grow in their character and find their gifts.

39:37You know, Mother Teresa has this quote, and she said, if you want to change the world, go home and love your family. And it's part of that idea there. So I think if people are going to find a real sense of purpose, you want to attach a greater level of meaning to what you do. It's not just that you're a mom or daughter, even that you're a doctor, a health practitioner, or an influencer. It's the fact that you can change the trajectory of somebody's eternity. And so I think the more that we can tap into these spiritual truths, because today, like, and I'm seeing this growing more and more, like people want to hear about this message.

40:07They want people are seeking out faith more than ever before. But I think we went through this period of time where the world was very cold and we kind of took spirituality out of everything and the meaning versus, no, if you want to live your best life possible, you have to attach a great level of meaning to everything you do.

40:25Gary Brecka:No, I love that. I mean, it's so funny how sometimes we're wandering around and we don't actually realize that, you know, our purpose is all around us. I mean, that's a great quote from Mother Teresa. to if you want to impact the world, go home and love your family. And sometimes, like you say, we're so busy and we knew in the mortality space, and I've talked about this a lot, that if you wanted to cut a human being's life expectancy in half, and I mean in half, at any age, put them in isolation. Isolation was one of the most impactful, what we call comorbidities. So if we put this into a probabilistic model, it would aggravate and accelerate every other condition that they had.

41:09Gary Brecka:And it would actually bring new disease, etiological processes from their future into their present. And it would accelerate the mortality curve. And isolation doesn't mean you're in solitary confinement, but isolation is like broken heart syndrome. You know, 50, 60 year marriages and one spouse passes and one is now home alone. Yeah. And that's instant isolation. we would see the same thing in the elderly when they lost pets. You know, so it's fascinating how, when you talk about loving your family, it's fascinating how impactful isolation can be. And as I start to process that, I realize we're more isolated than ever.

41:53Yeah.

41:53Gary Brecka:Because we think of a connection as, you know, our iPhone. Yeah. Right? It's not connection. It's just entertainment. It's actually not connection. It's distraction. That's right. You know, there's no element of humanity there. And I think that that's, you know, one of the underlying root causes of these parabolic rises in autoimmune and the state of chronic disease. But before we get lost in that. Yeah, I did want to say when it comes to mitochondrial health, though. So one, I've brought up some more of these, I guess, spiritual mindset topics because I think it's the biggest thing people forget.

42:30But I do think we want to do everything we can to both practice these traditional ideas and these more cutting-edge concepts that modern-day science has brought us. Mitochondria health-wise as well, red light therapy is amazing.

42:48Gary Brecka:Huge. I am such a huge fan of red light therapy. And I get beat up for it all the time. And I don't even sell red light beds anymore. I don't sell red light anything right now. I use it every day. Yeah. I am such a fan. You know, and back to the mitochondria, you know, it's red light, as far as I know, is one of the only ways to dissociate mitochondrial nitric oxide. It's amazing. Cytochrome C oxidase and have this oxygen dock there and upstage the mitochondria. Yeah. Just on that benefit alone. Yeah. Yeah. Well, listen, here's the reality. And one, you've been such a great pioneer and leader for people in helping them understand and gain access to, again, we use the term biohacking.

43:32I would almost call it nature hacking. Oh, it's a great term.

43:37Gary Brecka:I agree with you. Yeah, I think part of what, so here's the thing. You should get a lot of sunshine. It's the best thing for you. It's even better than a red light bed for the most part. But you can't be in it every day year round. Some people, like my wife grew up in Minnesota. I have friends in Canada. It's like you can't get that year round. If you can't get out in the direct sunlight, which is free, which you should do as much as possible. People aren't doing it near enough. Because the other thing is when you're getting the sun, you're not only getting red light, you're getting blue and green and violet.

44:05Like you're getting all these other forms of light that actually have differing benefits. Where red light might be more active towards mitochondria, blue light is actually highly anti-inflammatory. So there are some different types of light you're getting from the sun. You're not getting from a red light bed. So lay out, do it for free. Gary talks about just free challenges on all this stuff. So do that. But red light therapy is absolutely incredible. And it's another similar thing where it's like hyperbaric oxygen therapy is incredible. But box breathing and oxidating your body that way, that's amazing.

44:41That's free as well. I think most biohacking, they're taking an element of nature and getting it in sort of a convenient way because we're so deficient. That's why I think people see such great benefits of red light therapy. it's because we get such little sunshine. I agree. So, yeah.

44:58Gary Brecka:And, you know, the rabbit hole that I'm down lately with red light therapy is, so we know about the benefits of cytochrome C oxidase and this dissociation of mitochondrial nitric oxide. And, you know, anytime you can get more oxygen into the mitochondria and get more ATP from a cycle of the Krebs cycle, the better for cellular energy anyway. but what's fascinating is you know when when you look at our circulatory system and realize that the heart only circulates 30 of the blood in the body so 70 of our circulation is microvascular it's venules capillaries what are we doing to care you know and if you think we got 63 000 miles of blood vessels what are we 70 of 63 000 i'm not going to do that some 442 000 miles of blood vessel, our microvascular.

45:48Gary Brecka:What are we doing to cater for that part of our circulatory system? Because by the way, this is what's feeding our eyes and our brain and our liver and our lungs and our pancreas and our kidneys. I mean, think about how small capillaries have to be to bring gases to the lung, not bleed fluid into the lung and bring gases back, you know, to tissues. I mean, this is very small vasculature. Yeah. Red light really caters to that 70 % of the circulatory system. It can actually restore vascular laxity to these. It can restore vasomotor and vasomotion activity. So, yeah, I'm just a huge fan. What's interesting is the color of light will tell you the benefit.

46:29Like red light is most benefit for the cardiovascular system and circulation in those areas. Blue light is most beneficial for hormonal system. Green light for the detoxification system. And so, like, it's crazy. There's even a color coding there. But yeah, I mean, there are so many people today that are circulatory deficient. I mean, and again, this is why the nitric oxide, red light therapy, beet juice. I mean, these sort of things are incredible. Agreed.

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47:35Gary Brecka:That's A-I-O-N-G-E-A-R dot com. And you can use code ULTIMATE for 10 % off and start training smarter today. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. So I do want to go down the detox bandwagon. One of the things I appreciate that you talk about a lot is parasite education. Yeah. And the reason why I appreciate that is because parasites don't show up on your labs. The effects of it may or may not, unless you're doing very specific labs. But I'm saying on a routine blood panel, hormones uh you know thyroid you know your livid panel cbc cmp you're not going to catch these things and what i see in the community that i have the ip community where i'm very interactive with and i would say as a broad um complaint i guess for lack of better words there's a lot of people that have great labs and feel awful oh yeah and they are tired of being told over and over and over again your labs are fine your labs are perfect it's all in your head get stress out of your life or these just big blanket dismissal you know diagnoses you're one of the few people out there talking about the impact of parasites impact of mold and mycotoxins um and i don't want to scare everybody but we all have parasites yeah we do we all have cancer cells we all have ctcs we do we do um so um if someone falls into that category of my labs are great and i just don't feel good i know something's wrong i've got brain fog i've got uh poor focus and concentration i wake up feeling like a lead balloon in the morning you know i have days where i have crushing fatigue you know all of those things that these little bugs um cause on the on the parasite side where do they start and how do we get rid of parasites?

49:30Yeah. So first off, I think, and you brought this up earlier, one of the greatest things making people sick today, and most every person in longevity would agree with this, is this sort of immunodeficiency. And this is where your immune system is tacked. You're building up these immunosenescent cells in our immune system sick. I think that when I, in order to address that and find that and find the cause of that, let me go to the blood work thing first. You and I have both experienced this. I have had thousands of people come into me saying, I feel awful, but my blood work is normal. Yeah. And then doctors...

50:04Thousands. Yeah. And doctors will say oftentimes, it's all in your head, you're fine. Here's the thing about a lot of lab work though. It might look at what's in your blood, but it doesn't look at what's going on inside your cell. It doesn't look at what's going on in every organ system. So you're only seeing a snapshot at one point in time, not what's going on in terms of trends on a regular basis. So to your point, I think that, and then a lot of the lab tests, I don't want to necessarily say outdated, but they're not enough. I mean, there are a lot of other things we should be looking at there.

50:36Very, very basic. And so when it comes to these microbial overgrowth, the first thing that people are getting wrong, whether it be with a parasite or long COVID or Lyme disease or mold, is that the first thing they try and do is go and kill the infection. That's the first thing they try and do. and oftentimes it's with an antibiotic drug. That is today statistically the most common thing that people are taking. Doxycycline for Lyme disease, for example. Exactly, exactly. But the thing is, is that I don't think that you got a parasite necessarily. Now, some people are gonna get it because maybe they're on a mission trip.

51:11They're on a vacation in Cancun, Mexico, okay? And you ate something and you got an infection. That can happen. But one of the bigger ways is -

51:19Gary Brecka:I'm going to Cancun in a few weeks. Can we pick another place to get a parasite? Here's what I'll say. Costa Rica. Dominican. Now you're freaking me out. By the way, I will say we both love Cancun. We got one of our favorite clinics, ReHealth, there. Okay, so if you get a parasite, you can go to ReHealth. Exactly. I go regularly, so I love Cancun. But, you know, I think for most people, they actually get the infection and it spreads because their immune system is depleted to start with. I think if most people's immune systems were strong and bolstered enough, they would have the infection come in and their immune system would kill it.

51:55They would kill the parasites. But that's not happening. And so the first thing people need to do if they have a parasitic infection or any infection, Lyme, long COVID, they need to strengthen their immune system, get more rest, spend more time in the sun, spend more time with community, and then take herbals and eat foods that are immune strengthening, not the ones that are killing things, but that are strengthening your own immune system, and then your immune system will kill the infection in part. So this is where I really like an herb like astragalus. I love reishi mushroom. I like ashwagandha to a degree.

52:31These things are very, very building over time of the immune system. And then also taking things to just get out of the fight or flight state, everything from skullcap to higher doses of magnesium to, you know, magnolia, like things that kind of help lower fight or flight strengthen up your body's mitochondria and then your body can kill a lot of it itself now if you have a severe infection like a severe parenthetic infection you're going to want to take some anti-parasitic herbs anti-parasitic herbs but not you're not a big fan of like ivermectin i'd actually be okay with that in a lot of cases yeah i think ivermectin And listen, if somebody has a very severe...

53:12Here's what I have a problem with sometimes. And I did a whole episode on this in my podcast a few weeks back, and that is people are taking ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine like they're vitamins, like long-term. Listen, no, they're not vitamins. They're medications that are great if you have a very specific condition, okay? But if you don't, there's other things you should be taking, not those things. But oh, yeah, I absolutely believe if you have a parasitic infection and you know it's severe, ivermectin is great. I'll tell you something. My cousin, he's a pastor and he's a functional medicine practitioner.

53:51He's been doing mission trips to Pakistan and India for the past 25 years. He was diagnosed about a year ago with glioblastoma. And glioblastoma, you know this from the, I mean, your chance of living is less than 1%. Over five years, it's like one in 10 ,000. I mean, it's so low. He's a year now, going strong. Just read it as scans. Markers are perfect. Feels amazing. He relieves he got... And glioblastoma is one of the most severe forms of a brain tumor. And it's inoperable and it's aggressive. Very aggressive. Exactly. And they believe that he got it because of all these mission trips he went on.

54:36He had parasites. and I didn't know this until I started doing the research because I started working on a program with some other docs, a program for him to heal. And I didn't realize that one of the greatest causes of cancer today is co-infections like parasites. I mean, if you get a parasitic infection, your chance of getting cancer, I mean, it's worse than eating glyphosate. It's worse. I mean, it is one of the worst things that could happen. And so I became very aware of this,

55:05Gary Brecka:but he took ivermectin and we had him do a lot of these herbals we're talking about but the herbals that are probably the most effective are black walnut and wormwood black walnut and wormwood and wormwood tastes as bad as it sounds okay it is terrible i mean but they're very bitter and different flavors tend to have compounds that uh do certain things in the body but the flavor of bitter is very uh tends to be uh very antiviral so think about oregano as well or some of those things that have a bitterness. And how do you take these? Do you take them in powdered form? Do you take them in their raw form?

55:39I typically have people do capsules or tinctures of black walnut and wormwood. And there are others that are great too, but those are the two most commonly recommended and prescribed by holistic practitioners for parasitic infections. And then along with that ivermectin. Now, those are things you don't want to be on long-term. It's anywhere from typically a two-week cycle to a six-week cycle of those. And then with that, you oftentimes want to do binders. Now, a lot of people like activated charcoal. I'm not as big a fan of that. In the short term, I think it's great. Like if I have somebody having the cervix fillings removed or a two-week cleanse, I'll have them do that, and I think it's fantastic.

56:14But I think if you're going to do something a little more long-term, I really like clay. I really like chlorella. I guess silica clay, chlorella. Exactly. I like pectin, like citrus pectin. So those are... And zeolite. And zeolites are great too. And then very high-dose probiotics. I'll have people do a trillion a day. of probiotics, especially post-treating. But if you follow that right process of strengthen, kill, and bind, and then, of course, with that, infrared sauna sweating is just absolutely amazing to support the process. But you have helped a lot of people get rid of and kill parasitic infections, long COVID, these different types of infections.

56:53But a lot of people don't do the right process. It's like, I'm going to take one supplement or I'm going to take just an antibiotic, and then they never fully get rid of the infection.

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58:14Gary Brecka:You have co-infections, you know, the parasitic infection and the bacterial infection. and if you're not testing for the Lyme co-infections, the Borrelia, Bergenosis, like some of these co-infections that you can get at the same time that you get the Lyme virus. And then Lyme seems to be particularly tricky. You know, it sort of retreats or hides in the dorsal root ganglion. It can have these undulating periods where it comes back. So I wonder if we should talk about Lyme for a few minutes. Because, you know, the first line defense is 21 days doxycycline and you're done. don't worry about it yeah and and i think the sad thing about that um is that it works for that period of time because people feel horrible because they got the lyme infection they take the doxycycline they're like oh feel great that's over and but now the parasitic infection the bacterial co-infection so i wonder if you might talk about that well the first thing that happened is people skipped a step.

59:15They didn't strengthen. You know, Lyme overcame your body. This is years ago. My whole family, like my immediate family, like my sister, my brother, my dad, my mom, we all took a, and we did a, this is like ultra powered microscope and did tests to see if we had Lyme. I'm the only person in my family that didn't show up at it. All four of my immediate family members had Lyme disease. What was weird is, is that - And did you test by the antibodies? Yeah.

59:45Gary Brecka:Okay, so you look for Lyme. And so, but none of them had symptoms. But my sister had, my brother had Hashimoto's. There were other symptoms, but not like these common symptoms that you would see with like the joint pain and some of the things you'd see of Lyme. A lot of people have Lyme, but if your immune system is strong enough, you will have no symptoms. So my point there is that you do need to take something to help kill Lyme. But more importantly, you need to strengthen your own system. So your own immune system can keep Lyme and cancer and all the other co-infections at bay. There's another study that was really interesting.

1:00:23They said if you get long COVID, that viral infection, it activates these other co-infections like Lyme disease. Like your chance, if you got long COVID, your chance of expressing Lyme and other types of infections.

1:00:35Gary Brecka:If it was dormant, for example. That's right. If it was dormant, it's like waking it up. And so that's an issue too. But when it comes to Lyme, what I like to do specifically is I like to do a lot of a stress. Well, one, let me go to diet. Most people don't. We try and treat it all with supplements and not with diet. I really want to do more of a traditional diet based on like Weston A. Price Foundation. It's a lot of soups. It'd be a Chinese medicine diet, similar to what you'd find in the Bible too. But it's a lot of soups. It's meat. It's vegetables. That's the primary part of the diet. Then again, I like pomegranates.

1:01:07I like berries. If that's the basis of your diet, maybe there's some sweet potato there as well. But that's the basis of the diet. And then from there, I do think that working on your emotional mental health is really important there. And then from a supplement standpoint for building, I like astragalus and schisandra. Astragalus? And schisandra. Schisandra is a berry that's used in Japanese medicine and Asian medicine. that oftentimes it's the main supplement they recommend for mononucleosis if somebody has mono. But it's extremely immune boosting. Same with astragalus. So doing high doses of that, high doses of probiotics, and then a lot of vitamin D and zinc.

1:01:50And so really bolstering up and strengthening your own immune system. And then from there, there are supplements to take to fight Lyme, like one called Japanese knotweed. That's really high in resveratrol. and then you've got cat's claws popular, and andrographis would be another one. But, yeah, I mean, those are probably some of the best, but that's what I would do. And then take your time, you know, and do a lot of the other biohacking things you talked about. I really think deep breathing and red light therapy are so, so good.

1:02:23Gary Brecka:Deep breathing, red light therapy, sauna, hydrogen nanobaths. There's a very interesting blood filtration that I'm actually going down to do on the 19th of this month, September. I did a podcast with Dr. Mink Chawla, and he's a nephrologist that was an ICU septic specialist and modified a dialysis-type filter to filter out CTCs, circulating tumor cells, viral pathogens, all kinds of things, glyphosate, even bisphenols, microplastics. Wow. I saw you doing plasma exchange. I saw you doing that, I think, in New York or somewhere. Yeah, I did it once in L.A. and I did it once in New York. How did you feel after that?

1:03:08Gary Brecka:I was tired that day. The first time I did it, it was in L.A. at Dr. Darshan Shaw's clinic, Nextel. Amazing clinic, by the way. And I went in and I did it. My wife was so freaked out because I held up that bag. yeah yeah i feel like you need that in your body it's like two liters um you know of that yellowy fluid and then um i wish i'd sent that to the lab to see what was what what was in it but in any case uh they replaced it with albumin sterile albumin and i was flying 16 hours to dubai um so i literally went from the next health clinic um to the plane and it was perfect because I slept like nine hours.

1:03:54Gary Brecka:Then when I woke up, I felt like the light switches came on. Like I took a limitless pill. I was eating my wife's face and she's like, I didn't sleep on the plane. You need to shut up. I mean, I'm so happy to be here. Look at the ocean. There's a palm tree. So we got all that building. I was just like capped and chatty. I was just on fire. I felt amazing the next day. The second time I did it, I felt a little fatigued for two full days. And then the third day, I kind of had that little spike. So I think different people have different results. But I'm a big fan of trying to remove all of these things that are just distracting our immune system.

1:04:36Gary Brecka:If we can get things like heavy metals and parasites and viruses and glyphosates and forever chemicals, I mean, to the extent that we can get those things out of the body, there's less for the immune system to do. Totally, yeah. And your body can spend that time now doing other things, regenerating, healing, you know, cleaning up the other senescent cells, those things out of your body. I agree. You know, another thing I do like for almost all infections, I like it for mold the best, but I like it for lime is ozone. I love ozone therapy. It's so good. Yeah. I mean, I actually have a whole cat machine in my house.

1:05:09Gary Brecka:I have a transhernal. Yeah. I mean, you've got one after I got it too. Yeah. You have the greatest, you know, sort of biohacking setup I've ever seen. It's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing. That's a really big compliment. Because I remember you called me and you're like, where'd you get the machine? You called me when you saw my hyperbaric too. Which is, I mean, amazing too. So where do you fall in the world of peptides? Yeah. Would you ever use a peptide like a thymus and alpha or something to help boost the immune system? Do you? I'm a huge fan of peptides. Okay. A huge fan. Now, here's what I will say.

1:05:45I tend to be a more, I'm trying to think of the right word for, wholist or naturalist in terms of what my understandings are. And this is from looking at medical literature and combining that. I always try and do this. And I really try and have what does the medical literature say, what does the ancient medicine say, and combine those two and take the greatest sort of ideas from those. But peptide therapy, if you want to go back to the original peptide therapy, it was taking glanulars and organs. I mean, that's where they're found in the highest levels in the body. And so thymus and alpha one, like before we had thymus or even TB500, that's from the thymus gland.

1:06:24And so one of the oldest cancer protocols is taking thymus gland in order to fight cancer because of all of what it does. Boosting your immune system. Exactly. And you can go back to Gershon therapy. It's so funny. This was left out in like the 90s and 2000s. The original Gershon therapy was not just juice vegetables. It was raw liver. And liver is loaded with peptides. And so if people want to do the most food-based form of peptides, eat organs and glandulars. You know, there's this great meat brand called Forces of Nature. They have liver and heart in their meat. You really don't taste it at all.

1:07:00So getting or take... They call them organ blends, yeah. Yeah, the organ blends. Getting more liver and heart in these organs as a food-based supplement or actual food, that's going to give you your greatest level of peptides overall. However, there are a lot of ways where regular peptides, especially the BPC-157, TB-500, GHK-CAU as an edZet, sort of Trinity blend there for tissue regeneration that's so impactful. You know, when I went through my...

1:07:30Gary Brecka:I have seen those work miracles in people. Legitimately, I've seen it work miracles. Yeah, you know, when I had my spinal infection, didn't walk for a year, and I'm just going on, that was three years ago. I was just desperate for healing. And the two things that moved the needle the most, one I mentioned was stem cell therapy, but the other thing where night and day, two weeks later, I was like, wow, I feel and can tell my tissues have literally regenerated was after taking BPC-157, TB-500, and the GHKCU, that blend. I could not believe the pain reduction, my mobility improve. And so I'm a big fan.

1:08:09I will say there's this sort of old quote, and it's, the dose determines the medicine or the poison. So the dosage, I think, is important for certain peptides. This is where the GLP-1, like the Ozympic, is an example. The micro dosing, I guess I don't really have much of a problem with that. But the high dosing, we know, causes a high level of gastroparesis that's going to lead to poor nutrient absorption, increased risk of SIBO, just nutritional deficiencies. Dependency, tachyphaloxysol. And the amount of muscle loss is absolutely insane. I saw a quote from a researcher. He said, the amount of muscle loss the average person has from taking Ozempic is the equivalent of aging yourself 20 years, making yourself 20 years older.

1:08:54Gary Brecka:Like giving yourself sarcopenia. That's right. Accelerated sarcopenia. Yeah. So you are making yourself sick. So again, that's actually a peptide. There's a lot of peptides people don't realize are peptides. Insulin is a peptide. Exactly. You're right. Insulin is a peptide. creatine is a tripeptide glutathione is a tripeptide so peptides are the future of medicine we're going to continue to see this absolutely uh grow like crazy over the next five years and like even bpc157 that is the peptide found in your duodenum stomach lining and stomach acid yeah and so and if you think about what it does it helps break down things um in order to make them more absorbable by the body.

1:09:35So it protects your body. It's there for protection. So I'm a huge fan of peptides. And we're going to see this whole group called bioregulators explode in the future. And this is where you take peptides from organs, they're made synthetically, and then you... But in higher concentrations, and you take those for healing organs. So The livagen heals the liver. Cardiolipin heals the heart. So these are organ-derived peptides to support that organ's function,

1:10:06Gary Brecka:which is, you know, BPC is a gastric pentadecapeptide. It's just like that. And I think, you know, we've used it to heal and seal the gut. I take the peptide patches. I have this nagging bicep tendon tear that I've just been nursing forever. And I kid you not, three, I did a Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 12-hour patch on a Monday, 12 hours on a Wednesday, 12 hours on a Friday. This is an N of one, so there's no clinical study behind this. And by early the next week, for the first time, full range of motion and completely pain-free. And it was just BBC, NAD, and GHKCU. It's incredible. I feel like there's already just so much anecdotal evidence on the benefits of those specific peptides we're talking about for tissue regeneration, pain reduction, and healing.

1:10:59But I think we're going to see these in the future really grow for like women's hormones. Like I'm actually working with a scientist on peptides right now for women's hormones. So we're going to do one that's a thyroid peptide, adrenal peptide, ovary peptide, and then one called epitalin and penillion. And those are for brain. Telomerase.

1:11:23Gary Brecka:Aren't they telomerase peptides? Epitalin is, yeah. The epitalin. And so, but these peptides, so we're going to see it for women's hormones, for testosterone. We know there's already a lot for testosterone actually, but we're going to continue to see them for autoimmune disease. Like thymusin alpha-1 has great research for lowering thyroid antibodies, for Hashimoto's, rheumatoid arthritis. Incredible. Yeah, so yeah, I'm absolutely on the peptide bandwagon. Yeah, I'm very much on the peptide bandwagon too because, you know, I feel like broadly you could put most things into one of two categories.

1:11:57Gary Brecka:You know, metabolites are things the body recognizes. We have enzymes for, we have waste elimination pathways for. So, you know, you eat a piece of chicken, the chicken gets broken down, that protein gets broken down to the amino acids. The amino acids essentially become other tissues or build other proteins. But, and then whatever that waste is from that methylation process, the body can get rid of. So we can metabolize them and then get rid of the waste. And then there are other things that the body doesn't have enzymes for, doesn't recognize, cannot eliminate to waste, things like forever chemicals.

1:12:29Gary Brecka:And I think this is a large part of the side effect theory in pharmaceuticals because the body doesn't recognize these things. They're synthetic or they're chemical. So I agree with you. I think the threshold of safety is so high and the barrier for positive outcomes is also so high. I think it's going to be the future. Yeah, they're very similar to what a vitamin and supplement would do, you know, a vitamin or mineral. I mean, it's something your body can use as a building block to create hormones or just to bring balance. And so I absolutely agree. I have a feeling too that based on knowing you in our conversations that your new book, The Biblio Diet, is going to be a lot about back to the basics.

1:13:18Gary Brecka:Yeah. I haven't read it yet. I'm excited to read it. I hope that copy is for me. It is for you. Okay, good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's for you there. You're not coming in. You're not getting out unless you give me that. Oh, yeah. But so tell me about the Biblio diet. Yeah. Well, this is a diet that's based on the Bible, and I believe that the Bible is the greatest health book ever written. You mentioned it was the greatest wealth book ever written. Yeah, I really think so. It's absolutely incredible. And myself and Jordan Rubin, we really spent a lot of time, I'm talking about years and years, cumulatively saying, what does the Bible say about healing and longevity?

1:13:55And the subtitle there is Healing Secrets of the Bible. People have lived a long time in the Bible, by the way. Oh. Very long time. Oh, yeah. You know, when I started going through sort of this microscope and lens of what does the Bible say about health, healing, and longevity, you'll start to see it everywhere. I mean, everywhere from Genesis to the book of Revelation. Here's an example. You know, Genesis, when you're reading it and actually understanding the sort of plants that were grown there, they were growing something that we'd call a regenerative food forest. And so it wasn't like today we plant annual plants that just grow for one season.

1:14:27You have to replant them and then till the soil, which harms the environment like soy, corn, and wheat. It's fruit trees like apples and berry bushes and strawberries that cover the ground. I mean, those are the sort of things. So Adam was tending to the garden, not replanting. He was just simply being an artist in what he was doing. And God called us to take the Garden of Eden in this one little area in the Middle East and spread it through the entire world. So that's in the book of Genesis, those first few chapters. You go to the last book of the Bible in Revelation, the second to last chapter, the last two chapters, Revelation 21 and 22, it says, in the end, we will live in a garden city.

1:15:06Essentially, this entire planet will be a Garden of Eden. And so we know as health practitioners and people that are into health, what an amazing calling to think about if everywhere you went, it's like a scene from Lord of the Rings. It's like you're living in a garden city. So we know we're called to do that. And then we see this progression through the Bible in terms of what we should be eating and doing. We see with these perennial plants, these very nutrient-dense fruits and vegetables and nuts that were likely grown that they ate. And then we see afterwards when they're cast from the garden, modern agriculture.

1:15:39So we see the growing of grains. After that, in Genesis 9-3, after the flood in Noah, he says, you can now eat the things that creep and crawl on the ground. After that, we see the laws of Moses, where God, through Moses, basically says, listen, there's a lot of these things you can eat, but there's some things like bottom feeders, like pork and shellfish and a lot of these certain other types of animals, bats, reptiles, you don't eat those because they store toxins. and they don't eliminate very well. So when you're eating, that's the issue with pork today. By the way, I get some pushback on this one because I don't think that it's a sin to eat pork, okay?

1:16:19I don't think we're under that same law today if there's people of faith listening to this, but I don't believe that all of a sudden it became healthy after Jesus was here on earth. It's still not healthy. In fact, we talked about parasites earlier. The number one carrier of parasites that we eat in America today that gives us parasites is pork, number one, trichinosis. It's by far. And so pork, they have digestive systems that store toxins that don't eliminate. So it's the worst meat you could eat for most people. Shrimp and shellfish would be the next one. They're so high in dioxins and chemicals.

1:16:54And even modern medicine has shown this in terms of the scientific literature. And then later on in the Bible, there's a Bible verse I love in 1 Corinthians 10, 31. it says this whether you eat drink or whatever you do do all for the glory of god and i think that's a big heart behind the biblio diet is eating because you have a purpose eating you know i used to have a i had a i took care of a lot of pastors uh in nashville is where i had my

1:17:20Gary Brecka:practice and they're not the best eaters by the way not the ones i had new grown-ups terrible well listen growing up i was real involved in churches like church potlucks in the midwest They're the worst, dude. Oh, so bad. The coffee in the styrofoam cup and the donuts. Yeah, it's absolutely. I loved it when I was 10, though. Oh, yeah. It was like my favorite part of church right afterwards. I agree. I agree. But I think today some churches are kind of waking up. It's funny. There's a lot of pastors. Yeah, they need to read the Bibliothian. Well, you know, oh, they do. One pastor who read this and gave us great feedback was Craig Groeschel.

1:17:56And he's a very fit pastor. You think about also Stephen Furtick, there's a lot of these pastors. They're actually much more into health, I think, than the previous generation. But all that being said, I think the Biblio diet, first and foremost, is focusing on honoring God with your body and following the advice in the Bible. So it's staying away from pork and shellfish. The most commonly referenced foods in the Bible, like the American Heart Association would just cringe at. It's so anti-mainstream medicine. but the most common food referenced is red meat. Actually, in the writings on Solomon, there's something called Solomon's Provisions.

1:18:35People can check this out. And the number one thing he's eating is just all kinds of red meat, elk and beef and lamb and the wisest man to ever live. So red meat, extra virgin olive oil.

1:18:45Gary Brecka:Wisest man to ever live. Yeah, red meat, extra virgin olive oil, dairy that's raw and organic, oftentimes fermented or wouldn't last more than a day or so. And then you've got a lot of fruits referenced. Pomegranates and figs, along with olives, are referenced the most in terms of fruit. And then you have sourdough bread, and then you have honey. And I will say that the foods referenced in the Bible, the form they were in during that day is so different than today, because a lot of people might think, well, honey, that might have a lot of sugar. or salt is referenced a lot in the Bible. Bread and milk, those can't be healthy, but the bread they had was a very nutrient-dense ancient grain that they then would harvest.

1:19:31They would soak, lay out in the sun and let it dry so it was sprouted. They then would mill it themselves, and then they would ferment it into sourdough bread. So it was a very, and the same thing with dairy today. I mean, dairy today is homogenized. It's pasteurized. It's got so many chemicals in it. if you're buying conventional, there was a study out of Spain.

1:19:50Gary Brecka:Carrageens, all kinds of things. Oh, it's terrible. There's a study out of Spain that said if you're drinking just the average milk you get off the shelf has nearly 30 different medications and chemicals in it. One of them that was very high in was estradiol, which is going to cause, you know, a lot of these young girls are hitting menstruation so early. You know, a lot of men are testosterone levels low, and it's in part due to all these hormones in our milk and meat supply. But ancient dairy was super high in probiotics, minerals, fat, soluble vitamins. And then honey was used as a form of natural medicine.

1:20:24Now, Proverbs are clear, like eat a little, not too much is in there as well. But yeah, the Bible really walks through, here's what to eat, has principles on fasting, which are absolutely incredible, using essential oils, herbs are referenced. Saffron is referenced in the Bible. Amazing for brain and mood. so so yeah we went through and sort of created a book that really dives deep into much saffron

1:20:48Gary Brecka:either yeah just a little yeah yeah i mean my wife and i get the this uh we have a friend that gives us this uh iranian saffron um it comes from comes from iran it comes in this little thin dish it is so retarded expensive oh it's crazy it's like the size of a cd not much thicker there's not a lot of saffron in there but you really don't need much you know yeah the dosage that the main study is is like 88 milligrams so it's very very i mean compared to a thousand of like turmeric so it's yeah and it's one of those things i i knew nothing about saffron and he went on this long diatribe about how it's harvested but i mean it's i guess the one little petal not petal but uh stalk inside the flower and they literally go in there and pluck it out so when you see this jar full of all of these little fibers those were plucked one by one by one from, you know, giant fields of saffron.

1:21:42Gary Brecka:So now I really appreciate it. Oh, yeah. You know, one other thing we get into the book, and I think, you know, this has become somewhat

1:21:53polarizing, controversial. You know, I saw a post recently. Everything is, man. It is. You know, where there was a shooting, and there were some really well-known people, and even a pastor saying, we need to pray for this person's family for this and then somebody said you know prayer doesn't do anything it's not enough i saw that unfolding and yeah and you know what especially when the people

1:22:18Gary Brecka:that the victims were praying at the time if you're referring that's right it is that's exactly what i'm referring to and and you know prayer has an amazing ability to heal you know when i had my spinal infection my mom had cancer it was the number one form of medicine we were practicing on a daily basis is prayer. And in the book of James in the Bible, it says, if you're sick, go to the elders of the church, have them pray for you for healing, have them anoint your head with oil, and you will be made well. It's very clear. It's probably one of the most clear things in the Bible. If you do this, you will be healed.

1:22:53And this is something even the church has got away from that doesn't do very often. I mean, how often if we're sick, do we have somebody go, place their hands on us, pray for us for healing, and believe in faith that we're going to be made well. Now, there's also this thing interesting in there. There's something in the Bible called the holy anointing oil. And it was a blend of olive oil was the base, and then cinnamon, cassia, myrrh, and calamus oil, sometimes frankincense, were added to this oil blend. They used it to anoint kings, but they also used it for healing. So it was a very potent essential oil blend that they would use there as well.

1:23:26But there are studies on prayer, but I think overall, I think if somebody is sick, one of the greatest things you can do is ask somebody to pray for you for healing, pray for your own healing. I believe God's at work today. And that's, I mean, the Bible never says like, eat this and you'll be healed. But it does say, act with faith in prayer. Those things will actually heal you.

1:23:47Gary Brecka:Yeah, that's fascinating. I'm excited to read it. I'm excited to have you back on the podcast. I have a group called my VIP group, and this is the community that I'm building. And every time I have a podcast, we end the podcast and we go into a private room and they get to ask you questions directly. Amazing. And they've got a whole bunch of questions for you. Yeah, let's do it. If you're interested in becoming a VIP, you can head over to theultimatehuman.com forward slash VIP. Sign up to VIP and you can submit questions for a doctor or ask or anyone else. But before I wind down the podcast, I ask all my guests the same question.

1:24:29Gary Brecka:I probably asked you this last time, too. So maybe you'll have a different answer. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? You know, along with what we've been discussing, I think the ultimate human is somebody who is doing the greatest good, loving God, loving people, making Earth a heavenly place. I think that's what an ultimate human is. I think in order to do that, you've got to take care of your health. I think it's critically important. I had a pastor once and he was in his seventies and he was my best patient. Like anytime I like, and you've had people like this, every lecture you ever did, anything you ever, like he was there.

1:25:07He would consume it. Yeah. And I asked him, I said, Pastor John, you're my best patient. Why are you so committed? And he said, because I want to be helping serve the poor and preach the gospel when I'm in my nineties. And I thought you're an ultimate human. That's amazing. And Jesus was the ultimate human. So I think the idea there is, is like, in order, like, why are you trying to be healthy right now? I like, like, why are we trying to be healthy? Is it for vanity sake? Because you have a God given mission. You know, that you were called to raise up world changing kids. You know, you're called to, you know, you have this gift and this book to write or this thing to do.

1:25:42And that's why you're eating. That's why you're fueling your body. So I think, I think that's part of the mindset that goes with becoming an ultimate human. Giving yourself that why.

1:25:52Gary Brecka:That's right. Yeah. Fantastic, man. Great answer. Yeah, thanks so much. So, guys, I hope you enjoyed the podcast. If you're interested in becoming a VIP, just head over to theultimatehuman.com forward slash VIP. And until next time, that's just science.