241. Josh Bruni: EMF Mitigation, NFL Stadium Controversies & the Impact on Reproductive Health

23:28Gary Brecka:What are you doing? Are you deflecting this cloud? Are you absorbing it into a single device? Like, you know, you stick it on the back of your cell phone. What is it doing? It's obviously not blocking the cell phone signal. So then is it really working to mitigate the EMF? So how does that work? That's a good question. And again, I think what people struggle with is this field of physics is narrow. And even like, you know, we talk with a lot of like cell phone antenna, you know, designers, and they don't understand half of what we're talking about because they're in another narrow field. And so I empathize with people because this is difficult, narrow fields of research.

24:08And I think that we can simplify that. I did want to kind of just touch on the idea of blocking because I do think that that's easy to understand. But I also think it's easy to understand the idea of blocking. What is misunderstood is that you can actually block frequencies because I would say the other thing in addition to the 49ers content floating around the internet right now is I would say one I don't know people like to be called influencers but there's an MD that's an influencer large audience in this this kind of wellness space that did a Instagram reel about covering his Wi-Fi right away with tinfoil and he was using an EMF reader to demonstrate that it reduced the strength of the field right and there's a couple things that are flawed with that.

24:53Number one, the EMF reader is measuring power. Power is not the problem, as we've established. It's the complexity of the field and the noise that's introduced from all the interference of multiple fields overlaying over each other. And so when you introduce that blocking like that, what you did is you stressed every system in there now that's using that router to then work harder. So now you have packets of information data that's being exchanged between the sender and the receiver. And those packets are dropping. And these cell phones and your computers are built for error correction. So now they're increasing the amount of packets.

25:29So you've increased the number of things that are happening now in your environment because you were trying to reduce it. So blocking is binary. You're either blocking or you're not. So if you're blocking, nothing's working. Nothing's getting signal. If you are blocking and stuff still getting signal, you've actually compounded the original problem that you're trying to solve. Again, this is the physics side of it, which is you become part of the field. So anything I introduce into that field becomes part of the field. Another thing that I see because I travel a lot is people put the blankets on their lap.

26:03They put their laptop on it, right? And they're like, okay, I'm good because I'm covering my lap.

26:08Gary Brecka:It can't get to me. It doesn't work that way. These fields are all around us. They're three-dimensional. It's not, again, it's not directional. It's three-dimensional. yeah and so because i'm covering my lap doesn't mean that the rest of my body is not conducting and by the way you just now reflected back and amplified and created additional waves of interference that have occurred so you've created complexity you've introduced complexity into the field so unfortunately blocking is really not a good solution i see the people with the cases completely unless you can you're talking about faraday cage stuff right you completely capture it and harness it and so the cell phone case is like oh it's closed and then all the the outsides what you did is you've actually concentrated it in a way and so i just think people need to be more honest with those products and do and i think consumers need to be way more educated on the physics of it because it isn't simple this isn't like it's it's like it's either blocking or you're not right so if there's no in between you're is mitigation is that's what we're talking about You're not even mitigating.

27:12You're actually amplifying the problem because you've increased. Again, think of like a backboard. If I don't have the backboard and I throw a ball, it goes right through. If I throw a backboard and I throw the ball, it now bounces back, right? Right. So now I've created two paths. And so I've increased. And then the likelihood, and again, this is a constant, right? It's not like it's just happening one time. Now I've got doubled my paths essentially for simplicity. And now they're actually interfering with each other. So now you've introduced more noise and complexity into the environment that you were trying, you're thinking that you're mitigating.

27:42And so, yeah, I just, again, I think when you put a hat on, an EMF protection hat or a beanie or underwear, well, yes, if you're shooting a laser, you know, at your head, that's fine, but that's not how it works. It's three-dimensional. So now my face is conducting and now I've trapped it in my brain. Now it's reflecting back. And so it just doesn't work that way. And so I mean, like I can't just block regionally. right it's an all or none principle it's this is why emf is actually a more complex and serious topic to discuss and get right because there's so much misinformation and there by the way there's a lot of bad products out there and there's a lot of bad players and and i'm mindful of that right um i'm always welcoming of other people that are sharing the message but there's got to be some integrity in that and i think that's what we wanted to do today yeah yeah yeah so so then

28:33Gary Brecka:what is the mechanism by which you can reduce the, you can't really reduce your exposure. So it's not something you can hide from, right? You know, I put this in the, you know, EMF mitigation in the realm of passive biohacking. Like the act of biohacking is again, a red light, again, a hyperbaric, again, a cold punch, again, a sauna. But passive is when you do things like you install a water filter, it's not adding any time to your day, but now you're actually just drinking clean water or you install air filtration and now your air is just cleaner. So your environment's cleaner. I look at EMF mitigation and technology like areas as one of those passive biohacks because you really can't control this environment.

29:17Gary Brecka:I mean, it's not practical to fully block, like you said, which you build a Faraday's cage around your bed. But so what exactly is it doing? Diffusing? um is it so what benefit do you get from using um something that is mitigating the effects of this emf yeah and to be clear i'm not entirely sure of anything else that exists and that's you know to me i think that we are a category creator and we talk a lot about environmental clarity and i think that's the space that we're trying to fill of okay how do we create a solution that we're not going to fight technology that's not the point like look i've been technology my whole life, like built my whole career on the internet.

29:57And so, um, to me that that's not, it's not sustainable either. Like, you know, I try, like you get an airplane, it's like the absolute worst EMF environment you can be in. And, um, it's just not, it's not realistic. So areas approach it, I think going back, it's a, it started as a foundation over 30 years ago. And the idea was to how do we control or manipulate the electromagnetic fields around us and within the body to promote healing. It wasn't in a way to like modulate the environment around us to make it less disruptive. Because that was 30 years ago.

30:37Gary Brecka:So it didn't start as a device to sort of shield you or protect you from EMFs. No, as a matter of fact, the silicon resonator that we're using today was a breakthrough for us because previously we were using like geometry and shapes a lot like how what we refer to as metamaterials uh a lot like how if you go back and do some research on the original like space shuttles and especially out of russia back in like the 50s and the 60s you would use shapes to essentially diffract and break apart like this like your acoustic design here yeah this is a perfect example it's a perfect example these are just wooden cubes yep but they're cut at different angles and set at different depths to do to deflect the sound yeah to break it into smaller pieces 100 they're not blocking it they're basically taking our voice and then breaking it up so it doesn't echo around same concept and so the original the original like research put it on the wall because you know no the original research was it was was similar of like creating geometry that would basically reshape the the field and so like you know graphite and different things were used different materials were used and then over time and these were big structures by the way because when you talk about uh you know electromagnetic fields and you're talking let's say am fm right these are giant these are like if we could see them they're giant waves now when we talk about cell phone like 5g we're talking millimeters these are smaller millimeter wave stuff so very different but but again think about the 90s we're still talking like yeah but there's still all of these like you said this is this is a complex field i mean there's still am and fm and they're still they're all laying on top of each other yeah yeah yeah no you're exactly right.

32:14Gary Brecka:And so they're all sort of colliding and, you know, if you could, you know, put smoke in the air and like see the laser kind of thing, you know, it'd look extremely complex. It wouldn't look like beams. A hundred percent. Cutting through the air. Yeah. Yeah. And, and we're working on a map on our website that you can go to and put in your address and look at all the different cell phone towers, communication towers, power lines. And then right now we have it set up so you can just go see what's around you. see what your environment what we're working on is like what would the overlapping visual look like so that you could actually see what a complex structure would look like through some computer modeling and things like that that's kind of cool so it'd be really cool to see like like the 49ers stadium right yeah when you think of that substation it's going to be lit up red because it's just there's so much complexity to that field right so getting back to kind of the areas uh uh how it works if you start there from what i just described of like using geometry like this to then structure and kind of reprogram, you know, a field essentially through geometry.

33:16That was actually taken from the work from the space shuttles. And I referenced Russia and US because they, if you go back and you look at some of the original papers, they're swapping information quite a bit back, especially when they're like peer reviewed research, they're citing Russia, Russia cited the US because it was like this ping pong match of like of development of physics and things like that. So super interesting. So, but they, they had a problem in space where the emf in space is different and they needed it was affecting the communications so they they used geometry to diffract and reshape the field to so it was not disruptive so that was the premise for the original kind of aries concept was a little bit of what was going on there combined with tesla's work so nikola tesla that we're talking about which was trying to capture the earth's emf to then create free energy for everybody yeah um really cool like work when you go back there wild um it became uncontrollable meaning like you couldn't control where it was going but he was you know he's getting there so jump forward with the the testing we did with the silicon resonator chip which is what you see at the center what you have there is essentially a fractal antenna and so a fractal is is a self a similar shape repeating at different scales.

34:33And so that invention, which is relatively new, by the way, and it's what's used in your cell phone, it's what's used in all telecommunications right now. And the idea is that I can basically have an extremely wide band of frequencies created in a very small space. And the way to think about that is without increasing the area of the space, I can increase the perimeter. So what that means is I can take a ring and I can make another ring, another ring, another ring, all the way down to the point of like infinity. Right. And so I always tell people like the best thing I can tell people is take a rope and keep cutting in half till you get to zero.

35:09You will actually never get to zero because you can't keep theoretically you can't get to zero. And so that's the idea of a fractal is you don't increase the area, but you increase the perimeter. So we have millions of etchings that are designed and specifically tuned and engineered to interact with the ambient field that's around you and essentially create a stable environment that that um is generated from that silicon and so to talk about the material because material is important too the material uh silicon is hyperconductive it's a dielectric meaning like it interacts with with the energy around it and then it creates a response right and so what it does it creates a field around it that is now stable and it's coherent

35:52Gary Brecka:So it's giving your body a constant rather than this dissociated mess. It's predictable. Okay. It's predictable. It's stable. It's coherent, which is the environment that your body thrives in, which is like being outside. That's what it's explaining to me that way. Yeah, yeah. And that's why, you know, you feel so good probably when you go to the ocean or when you, you know, like for my wife and I, when we go to the mountains in Colorado, we're way separated from, you know, any major city or technology or 10 ,500 feet. And you really do feel different. And I don't want to say, well, that's all because of low EMF.

36:30Gary Brecka:I don't know. I mean, it's, you know, forest bathing has been around for centuries, you know, in Eastern medicine. And we do that too, you know, walking in the forest. But I've got to think that a large part of it is, because the first cabin we had was, it was solar, so no electricity. And, you know, when you're out there and you're outside and you're, you know, you're walking in the woods and you're at altitude, you just really feel different. We sleep amazing out there. Yeah. We all spend one third of our lives sleeping. One third, that's 25 years of your life on a mattress, breathing it in, absorbing it through your skin.

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37:54Gary Brecka:There's never one factor, as you know, right? Yeah, no. And the one thing that I would say is, again, going back to the physics side, is like the idea of, and you kind of touched on this a little bit before, around how there is an attraction. and so a metronome or a tuning fork will sync up waves right there's like a tuning fork will then tune the things around it they'll all start to mirror and and resonate and emf is no different it's still wave theory it still functions the same way so when you talk about being outside especially you know that far away disconnected it gives your body a reference point that it does tuned to.

38:37And what people describe with having Aries on, especially the one that you wear on your neck, is that tuning effect. You feel grounded. You feel always grounded. You feel calmer. The anxiety, the different things that are built up, that's the shift that we hear about. That's what people describe the most. And it's just from wearing a necklace that's close to

39:02Gary Brecka:your heart. Yeah, it's close to your heart, which generates a lot of power that can be measured 10 feet away. And so, but also just in, like I said, around you, but that's, that's what's happening in nature when it comes to the EMF side is it gives your body a reference point to tune itself to and to kind of like reconnect in a way. Um, obviously there's other factors that's air and light and all sorts of things, you know, fact that we're out there. Yeah. I just like you're out there. And so I'm, I'm, uh, honest about that. Uh, but, but yeah, I think, like I said, when you, you know, you work with a lot of people and you look at all the things they got going on.

39:33the thing with emf is it's stacking and so you're already i was described as you're already starting in a hole or i think the better analogy is it's like in the in the absence of emf negative emf

39:47Gary Brecka:let's say you're just walking on level level ground in our modern world without any proactive approach to mitigating it you're everybody's walking at some sort of incline just from waking up to starting, you're automatically making your body work harder than it needs to. For some people, it's really steep. For other people, it's not that steep immediately. Over time, everybody just starts to slowly lift though, because you can't, your body can't deal with the amount of stress that it's, that we're introducing. And then everything else that would stress is your body. And so over time, there's a toxic load that then builds up and you eventually break and everyone has it, right?

40:25Or you age faster or something wears out. And so I'd kind of describe it like that. Like EMF is not the thing, but it's, it's starting you at a, at a steeper angle. Yeah. Steeper angle. And it's going to move depending on your environment.

40:39Gary Brecka:And that's just something to think about. And you've got like 40 studies that, um, uh, support this, what you're saying. Um, can I put those in the show notes? Is there a little bit of a link? Yeah. We can leave there. I, there's a, there's a couple of things that I would say that I think are really useful. We have a new one that's not out yet uh that so two three years ago we had a piece of research that was peer-reviewed was presented at this physics conference around the computer modeling of understanding this this uh broadband multi uh uh leveled field that's created coming off the resonator and so we're able to create the the silicon chip at the center of the product right So how it's interacting with the EMF around us, right?

41:29How it's interacting with the EMF. So we had this computer model that I will show this mathematical approach to this. And again, we won awards for this. It was peer reviewed. It was presented and published in research. Just recently, we then created the physical model to then prove the math. And so this isn't out yet because a lot of thing I get is the visual side. Well, I can't see it's working. How do I know it's working? So what the team did was they used heat in infrared to be able to create a field. And so what you see on the surface of the resonator and then around it is the physical representation of the mathematical model that we had already built.

42:05Wow. So I'm super excited about that because that's the question everyone has. Like, how do I know it's worked? The other thing that I would flip to is like, look, at the end of the day, your body is what we're measuring. We really want to know if your biology is performing better. We really want to know if it's working better. And so we have become like a tour of doing live brain scans and HRV testing.

42:28Gary Brecka:We did a lot of work with the UFC and we looked at like reaction time and with the presence of EMF and then with using Aries. And it's super easy. This is my point of like - It's improved like millisecond timing. Millisecond timing. Yeah. And that's not like reaction time with your hand. That's like the information moving through your brain and then out to your hand. So we're able to track how quickly the information, the time that your eyes lock on, because we're looking at the brain, to the information moving through and then actually taking action. So that's what we're looking at with that.

42:57The other thing that I would just say is like, my point of starting the conversation, like, okay, what do we know for sure? What can we measure? Science understands that EMF disrupts EEG and basically your neurology and how your brain functions. We know that it disrupts the heart and not for the better, right? Specifically, the heart is easy to measure because it kind of locks you into, uh, uh, sympathetic activation. And so rest relaxation is compromised because you're, you're locked in. And we've seen this with athletes in an extreme level. Um, like, I, like every athlete that we work with, which we already know they have a hard time moving between states and hat, what we talked about walking in here was rest recovery, how, how much and how fast they can get back down.

43:39Right. Right. It's the, the numbers on the HRV are off the charts in the presence of EMF. It's incredible. And so when they use our product, we see this improvement over baseline. It's not because we're affecting the body. What we've done is we've got out of the way so the body can actually just do its job better.

43:56Gary Brecka:So you're getting the EMF sound of the way. So this sort of blocks that are right behind me is a really good way, I think, for people to process and understand this because we wouldn't argue that sound waves exist because we're hearing them right now. We argue that EMF waves don't exist or don't cause harm because we can't see them, touch them. feeling there's no way for us to you know take a take a measurement and yet you know this really works um you know when when we're having podcasts i mean this is what's deflecting our voice and not causing it to come back into the microphone and not bounce off of this hard hard wall so it really makes it's starting to crystallize to me i mean i've i've understood emfs at a relatively surface level for the last few years, I'm sold on their impact on human physiology for sure.

44:45Gary Brecka:And I wasn't sold on whether or not technology could mitigate that, you know, and now I'm starting to understand how by creating uniformity in this field, the body has harmony. In other words, it has a consistent variable to deal with rather than this just widely changing constant, you know, very spasmatic you know, environment, you know, which it's kind, it's having to shift its adaptation less frequently, if that makes sense. Is that a good way to describe it? It totally makes sense. In a really simple way is, let's say you're sitting at your desk, you're doing work, you're just hyper-concentrated, you're pumping out good work, and then someone comes from out over here on your left or your right and interrupts you.

45:30And not only are they interrupting you, but they're speaking a different language.

45:32Gary Brecka:And now you're like, okay, what am I, what are they saying? What do I got disrupted and how just to get specific on a few things how bad is 5g for us right um i i think again to have a real intellectually honest conversation if it was and i think this is where the research gets it wrong and i think this is one of the reasons why there's a lot of challenges in showcasing the negative effects of emf is they're typically using one device and in the presence of one device and this is why people are going to go back to like You're not looking at the smog. They're not looking at the complex. Because like I said, if it was just one outlet producing 50 hertz of, you know, a field, that's probably not going to really do much to you.

46:20It's not going to make you uncomfortable. Like you're not really – your body is just like, okay, whatever. I'm dealing with that, right? But you have to go next to a substation or you go into an airplane where everyone has a 5G phone and everyone has a TV in their head, you know, in their headrest now. And there's Wi-Fi in there. you have all these complex aviation electronics up front right um you're killing me that's you get my point now now you have all of these complex overlay and you have structures in there so now you have and you're in a tube and now you have this reflection and deflection happening all around you so you've you've infinitely exponentially increased the complexity of the field so how bad

46:59Gary Brecka:is your cellular biology is dealing with what you're doing it's a stress that it's constantly trying to figure out what do you want me to do with this you've given me information i can't translate it what am i supposed to do because your body's working on interpreting electromagnetic signals and now you're giving this man-made technogenic frequency to it and saying interpret this it can't interpret it so it doesn't know what to do with it so it just consistently like gets disrupted disrupted disrupted disrupted signaling from blood to the mitochondria the gut the brain the heart like everything is disrupted um so i like i said i think that am i saying this is going to have extreme outcomes.

47:34No. But when you look at every one of those things stacked together, all those systems over time, over long periods of time, that's a problem. More importantly, young babies developing, our adults are more resilient and we can deal with some of this stress because we've developed. What's happening with young people though, it's actually shaping their response. It's programming the response. And that's a completely different mindset because they're not developed yet. Their skulls are thinner, softer, more permeable. Their whole body is developing and it's being programmed by their environment. Whether that's, you know, me as a parent, I always mess with my kids and be like, everything that you think right now most likely came from myself or your mom.

48:17So not only are we programming them from like their social circles and the food that we're giving them and their chemical environment that's around them, but also their electromagnetic environment as well. And their bodies are actually, because we our electrical beings are being programmed by that and being shaped by that. So, so if I was to say, Hey, on a scale of like one to really pay attention, I think families with young children, people trying to conceive that are, or pregnant, uh, because that pregnant woman is one system. And so what she's exposing herself to the baby's being exposed to, and it's also being shaped by.

48:52Sure. So all those things combined are just something, like I said, your body can deal with it your body's resilient it's not immune to it though and you have the big difference yeah so

49:03Gary Brecka:so then the the question here is not i mean the the issue is not just to create fear and alarm and this is going to make you sick and you're going to die there are people that are significantly more sensitive and i'd like to unpack that like why are they more sensitive um but common ways without just turning this into a commercial for your product but you would say that the cell phone mitigating the cell phone um is that where you would start that's like the that's that's a good question that's a good question i always like when you give free advice yeah so i think starting with some free advice that would be great yeah yeah is because i don't want people to think that the intention was for us to get on here for you to sell aries products i know i want to draw attention to emfs i want i want to i want the data to be out there so people can make an informed decision and just really understand what they are and what are some of the possible detrimental outcomes.

49:58Yeah. Number one, you mentioned is 5G bad. And I want to reframe that because that is talking about power again and not the complex field. So I want to make sure that I just tighten that up for clarification. It isn't about 5G. It's about the complexity of that. And 5G does require more towers in them to be closer. So it introduces complexity because of the nature of how 5G works. Not because 5G has the signal. Yes, it's more powerful. different conversation, but the complexity of 5G has increased.

50:27Gary Brecka:The number of towers has increased because of 5G. So that's kind of number one. By the way, there's a website you can go to called antennasearch.com. And you can go to antennasearch.com. It's free. Just put in your zip code and it will tell you how many 5G towers are. So we've imported that data as well. And we brought in the power line data as well because the power line data wasn't in there. The high power, specifically the high power stuff. And so, because I wanted to create that, I want to show the complexity. And so bringing in all these different sources, and we're trying to get it to be global, but not as much global information as we have in the US, but it's a great place to start.

51:01So going back to what you can do, number one, distance is always the most important thing. And so if I'm installing a Tesla charger at my house, you want to make sure that's in a place that's not going to be near the places where you spend the most time. Like your bedroom's not on the other side of that. Yeah, you don't want to do that, especially your child, right? You don't want that on the child. smart meters like which is a big one a lot of us were forced to do that um or you could opt out so like the ones on the panel the panel on your your house where the the you remember back in the day when the guy would come around the scooter and check your your meter and yeah yeah the thing

51:36Gary Brecka:the analog thing now it's electric and it's lte or something it's just constant it's constantly sending signals constantly and so there's a handful of products that people usually find their way to us from the smart meter is one the smart watch what is the next one uh the smart meters the house the utility yeah because of that um i don't i don't fully understand the physics behind that but the number of people that have had negative experiences health experiences because of the smart utility meters is kind of mind-boggling um just that we've seen right smart watch would be the next one cell phone is the obvious one for sure um and then i would say uh flying flying out sleep sleep is the other one yeah and and so uh that that's where people typically find themselves and so to address those in particular like i said is is proximity to the source or to the receiver a lot of times we think of like the the like the router in my example before of like covering with tinfoil it isn't the source it's actually the receiver that now has to work harder because that's why when you're let's say you're in a city with tall buildings your phone gets hot right it's because it's working overtime it's sending more packets trying to translate decode and translate the packets trying to do something with it and it's it's uh possible to have good signal but too much noise in the in the electromagnetic field and not be able to get the data so then the data has to work harder even though there's good signal and so that happens a lot in cities right you see i've got three or four bars or whatever but it's not working you're frustrated yeah that's why yeah okay that makes sense yeah because you've created a complex field because of the buildings so would you say so what if i have one of these smart meters or i'm in i'm i'm flying on an airplane what what what is the best way to mitigate it not the aries tech for the back of your phone is there yeah is it a device is it a necklace yeah when it comes to aries tech look i think as a default and i would say 99 of anyone that's that's bought products from us or worked with us starts with the one on the phone because it's the most obvious, right?

53:37And it's the one that we think about the most. I think where we see the most impact would be like where people report really positive health outcomes would be the flex, which is the one that you wear around. The flex are the go. They're different sizes, same mechanism, different sizes. Kids like the smaller one a little bit better. Sometimes women do. And then the, what we call the zone or the zone max those are larger ones and again to get in the physics of it uh there's a resonant effect so meaning because there's multiple uh resonator chips on these so they're creating multiple fields uh they actually amplify each other and it's not linear meaning like one plus one doesn't equal two it's like one plus one equals you know x to the 10 power it's significant and so again going back to the computer modeling and things that we've we've now demonstrated um

54:30Gary Brecka:that was a really and is this is this like they're small yeah they're small and so like like the size of like a i would say like a a credit card or smaller and then and then the larger ones maybe the size of your phone and basically the difference between all of them is the the proximity to the source or to you that they need to be so the bigger they are the further way they can be because they're they'd have more surface area and they they can't and they have more resonators so they can create a larger stable area okay that's really the big difference and and so like when we go into like the minnesota timberwolves arena and we create the first ever emf friendly arena we use the zone max and you just put like thousands when you walk through the concourse you see a bunch of millimeter wave antennas throughout the concourse and so it's pretty easy like okay let's let's hit the the the obvious spots but we we do go in there we're thoughtful and we're kind of in the first phase that rollout um another really cool thing that i haven't even talked about yet anywhere is we're working with uh a major airline to install areas within uh all of their north american direct flights to their to their destination and i can't talk about it too much yet but that was and that's where would these be placed um in this particular one because it's a long flight um would be throughout the cabin so like individual ones at in each seat area.

55:53Larger ones towards the cockpit. And how thick are these?

55:56Gary Brecka:Like the size of a cell phone? They're thin. Yeah, they're really thin. They're super thin. Yeah, they're like a, because you're talking like a circuit board. Think of a circuit board. Insert it in the fabric of the seats so someone can see it, right? Yeah, exactly right. Wow, that's cool that they're actually thinking about that. And then their goal is to make the happiest, healthiest airline and experience. And they want it to start before you get to the destination. When that comes out, I want to follow that. I'll definitely let you know, because you'll dig this. and you'll dig the destination hammer you as soon as the podcast is overdue i'll get it out of them dude i'm super excited about it yeah yeah if you know me you know i'm a huge believer in the benefits of hydrogen water h2 tab delivers cost-effective portable tablets that generate ultra clean molecular hydrogen at 12 parts per million one of the highest concentrations on the market with over 1300 published studies showing benefits of oxidative stress energy recovery brain function, and so much more, taking charge of your health has never been easier or more cost-effective.

56:55Gary Brecka:Just drop a tablet in water, let it dissolve, and drink it back. It's less than a dollar a day, science-backed, and part of my daily routine. I never travel without this, and it is my favorite biohack. Visit drinkh2tab.com. That's drinkh2tab.com, and upgrade your hydration today. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. But no, that's amazing. And so if you're on an aircraft, because I do fly a lot. Yeah. And I do everything that I can to mitigate it by, you know, I take hydrogen water to sort of restore that retox homeostasis and mitigate free radical damage. But I, you know, I'm not effectively, because I don't understand what the best effective mechanism is.

57:46Gary Brecka:mitigating the EMF. Yeah. Other than I do wear the Aries necklace. But so you would say if you're flying a lot, would you get one of those big ones and just put it in your bag? I wear the one. I usually have a lot with me, but if I was to recommend one, I would definitely wear the one around because it's closest to you and your heart and your brain. And those are just areas that are the kind of the control centers for the body, right? so i would start there the other thing i would do kind of go back to the free stuff grounding if it's talking about flying yeah if you land in ground almost immediately it's amazing the benefits that that has and again i'm i'm i typically don't like to go into the the waters of like totally agree with you of like not proven not factual whatever but anyone that's done that knows it i feel totally totally agree with that and that is absolutely free and i do it as soon as much as you can yeah as soon as you get off the plane go hug a tree yeah whatever you can go do like get outside i'll look weird like at the airport yeah yeah i'll like take my shoes off and try to get on the grass for yeah just for a minute just for a few minutes yeah just for a few minutes it's amazing uh proper hydration with electrolytes is a really important one um and again this is not my my main field but i do know magnesium definitely helps and supports the calcium ion channels uh in in relationship to do the negative emf right this is no trying to work with yeah and so different things like that that are really helpful i think i think hydration is is really, again, foundational to begin with.

59:13The hydrogen water is really interesting. And I tried to do some more preparation for that, but I felt just totally unqualified. But what I was uncovering was a lot with the blood. And like you were talking about the, like there's a lot of really good information and how that would then support, again, an overall EMF strategy. Like how do you mitigate the negative effects if you don't have the Aries products or like these are all the different tools and tactics that you can do. and I think the hydrogen water is a really interesting one. There's not a lot of research on that yet, especially as in relation to, but you're able to then draw, okay, if I know that this negative thing is happening, how then do I combat that with a positive support system, right?

59:54And I think that's really where I lay out.

59:57Gary Brecka:Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So now talk about a little bit about like the people that are hypersensitive. I have clients, for example, that had to sell their Tesla because the charger in the garage, it's actually a very famous client, Swife. She was sleeping a story above and in the back of the house and could tell when the Tesla was plugged in, when it was being charged. And I want to get to just electric vehicles in general because I think I see people in both camps and I don't really know which camp I fall in that you're sitting on just this big EMF bomb I think it's safe to say that when they're charging, you probably shouldn't be in the car.

1:00:41Gary Brecka:But when these electric vehicles are in motion and you're sitting on top of these giant battery packs, I mean, is that a serious EMF concern? I don't think so. And we kind of chatted about this before. I think you say that. Yeah, I think when it comes to the EVs, they're shielded just by design. So a lot of where the most – They're very heavily shielded. Yeah, where the EMFs are concentrated is heavily shielded. What I would say is, and no one's going to like this, but any modern vehicle that has the modern technologies and the large screens, all of them are connected to wireless right now. Like whether you opt in or opt out, they're still connected.

1:01:21And they have Wi-Fi. Those systems, if we go to, let's just talk at the U.S. regulations, they're independently regulated. as a complete system of your dashboard, they're not regulated at all. So like, again, when you think about the layering of complex fields, virtually every vehicle is terrible because of the dash. So with EVs - Especially the modern dash. Yeah, the modern dash. All the glass. Where I think the EVs have some of the benefit is they're better designed. They're better contained. They're better designed because they're not - All the different varying types of systems that are in a modern, let's say, gas-powered vehicle, there's a lot of different systems in there.

1:02:08And none of them are connected. None of them are alike. But with the EVs, they're pretty much designed from the ground up in a contained system. So there are some benefits because of that. But to be honest, if you were to look at a spectrum analyzer of a dash or even take an EMF reader, you're going to see some extreme numbers come out of that. But I would say, again, I kind of go back to more importantly, don't get misdirected or misguided by the power of EMF. It is the complexity of the field that that's created and when you look at modern vehicles there are so many different systems that are that are that are interacting and by the way if you ever anyone that's ever pulled the dash apart the shielding and these wires or anything like it's terrible yeah like it's it's just not good and so they're all just inherently not great and so i typically recommend um the like an aries device up in the front of that that dash for sure and that's one of those areas i'm like i don't really have good advice other than like you got to do something about it

1:02:59Gary Brecka:right um to put one of these cards in like the cup holder or something like that yeah i like in the in the visor or wherever it's convenient depending on the model of car that you have but that's a good question it comes up a lot like the ev is a question because it just again intuitively it it's like huh you know like maybe there is like it just intuitively but they overlook the other vehicles which i wouldn't overlook the other vehicles yeah yeah i was telling you my i bought my wife one of the early model teslas that came out and we um i got like a a fingernail size hole in the battery housing and they told her the whole car i mean i'm sure tesla's figured it out since then because you know we compromised that yeah that battery housing i'm sure it wasn't because emfs were leaking out but you know so they're they're they're very well contained and when that permeated it's you know yeah it's a disaster yeah but um i i want to talk to you about the people that are more sensitive to ems i mean do you find what is it or do you know that makes people more or less sensitive to ems because there are people um that have um you know severe trouble with you know electromagnetic frequencies yeah it's a really good question and i think again in our earlier conversation we were sitting at the table i said we have this the areas as a brand we have an interesting uh customer base we have extremely polar opposite groups of people we have elite athletes elite performers in virtually every category you think of whether that's musicians actors actresses uh football players a lot of football players obviously the ufc and in the nba um but virtually every top athlete in every sport is a customer and And...

1:04:43Then on the other side, you have extremely ill people and chronic ill, like chronic disease, all sorts of chronic things that you see. And I find that it's really interesting because they're small slices of the population, but at extreme edges. and the one thing i will say they have in common is each one of these groups of people are hyper sensitive to their environment they understand when something is off and when they're they're they're operating at a high level they understand that and they and they're trying to always stay at that high level when you're sick that means you're just trying to increase your baseline and you're trying to state that baseline and you're trying to move up a little bit more as elite performer you're trying not to drop and you're getting incremental you're talking like you know Milliseconds we mentioned before.

1:05:30Gary Brecka:When you talk about the UFC. UFC, it's milliseconds. And so when it comes to the people that are hypersensitive, EHS, and I think they have a new acronym that they're using now for that particular group, I typically find there's another source or another thing that they're dealing with. I see Lyme disease a lot. People that have Lyme disease typically also find themselves to be sensitive. And I don't - Lyme, I could see. Yeah. And we have a great story, a gentleman named Mike Bender, who wrote a really good article in Men's Health. We should put a link in the show notes because it's one of my favorite articles.

1:06:11I'll link it in the show notes. It's called The Quiet House. And he's a screenwriter for Comedy Central. He lived in LA. His wife was on MTV. So they're in the Hollywood world, right? And he's a New York Times bestseller. and he had Lyme disease as a young kid and basically has been on this journey to create a world that he can, an environment that he can actually function in because of how sensitive he became. And so he shares this crazy story in this men's health article. And so I wrote a small blog post about it. And then so he emailed us and he was like, and I'm thinking I'm in trouble because I was so happy with this article.

1:06:49I loved how he approached this complex topic. and it wasn't just emf it was all sorts of things it was noise it was it was just he was his nervous system was just hyperactive yeah hypersensitive and and it was just had all these really negative consequences so um so he messages me and i'm like oh no i didn't get permission to you know summarize his article like maybe he's mad at me he's like no i want to talk to you guys and he's like i for a decade i haven't been able to leave my house and he's like really your product i built a van and put your product in it. And I'm now for the first time going to take my kids skiing.

1:07:21Gary Brecka:No. It's a crazy story. And so we've, we've, you know, gotten to know each other. He lives in Santa Barbara. He did what you did. He built a house and, and not only he built the house, he had to, he had to pay attention to the electromagnetic fields of the earth because there's a lot of, um, inconsistency in the earth's field as well. So he can walk out there and tell you like where things are buried like power line like he's super sensitive yeah so he went and mapped it all and then had wow the guys that come and like actually check and he'd already had flags in all the spots that's how sensitive he is so he's got a great story and so so we have some videos with him because i just i can't i can't stress enough like how cool he is and a good story and he's super credible but his experience is great uh to kind of share about that and i just i don't know the biological like reasons why, but I tend to find that there's something else layered on.

1:08:18And that's kind of what I think I said early in this conversation is EMF makes everything worse. Yes.

1:08:24Gary Brecka:Right. And so if you already have something, it's going to exacerbate that issue already. Or if you didn't have something, you might develop something because your system's being eroded over time because of the signaling challenge that you have. And so I think that's what I see. If I was to just say, hey, again, I'm not saying for sure anything, but what I see in the data in our hundreds of thousands of, I think a million now, devices that we have out there and all the feedback we have, that's what I see is like the commonality. So, you know, let's say aside from an Aries device or one of your products, what are some things people can do to mitigate those in their house?

1:09:03Gary Brecka:We talked about what they do on home flights, like hardwire internet. Should they turn Wi-Fi routers off at night? Yeah, that's a great one. I'm going to say one thing that's going to blow your mind. It's going to be completely counterintuitive. Okay. if you want to have wi-fi in your house you should do everything to make sure that that wi-fi signal is as clear and clean as possible so the better the signal the less emf because the less complex the field is ah right that makes sense so it's it's actually if you have strong signal in one area weak signal in another area no signal in a different area and you you're actually making the field dirtier for a lack of a better word.

1:09:45Gary Brecka:Great word. Increasing the - Noisier. It's the smog. Noisier. Yeah. That makes sense. So that, I would - It does sound counterintuitive. It does sound counterintuitive, right? Until you just set it. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds counterintuitive, but that's one of the best pieces of advice I have for that. The other thing I would say is like - So not disconnecting it and then reconnecting it. No. Like I said, if you insist on having the Wi-Fi, then that's great. And I think, fine, have the Wi-Fi. You got to have Wi-Fi, man. How do you know? Yeah. Right. you gotta have wifi unless you're hardwired and moving around which a lot of people do you know like like i would say especially people that are hypersensitive like they have to be very thoughtful about crafting and curating their environment around their sensitivities and so um i think that's just one thing i just wanted to mention like it's so counterintuitive like people get all like angry at me sometimes like no it can't be it can't be better signal you know that's not because it's not about power right it's not about power it's about clarity and it's about clarity Yeah, because your body can deal with a constant.

1:10:40Gary Brecka:That's my point, yeah. It doesn't, you know, it's the change. It's the erratic, you know, behavior of the field. We did another study because I've been kind of poking around this complexity issue, which I just think it's overlooked and misunderstood. If you go back and you look at a lot of literature, a lot of the studies are like one cell phone, one router. And I said, well, put two in there, put three in there, put them far apart and make them talk to each other. and we did this recent study again it's not out yet this one's this one uh is going a kind of a roundabout way because of the peer review process it's in singapore a group out of singapore right now is is doing this peer review on it and we used different strains of uh rats because they have different genetic kind of like predispositions of one has a tendency to be more anxiety and one has more excitability and so what we were looking at was how does emf if there's a genetic like we know that this rat is already epigenetic influence to it yes what then happens yeah from a genetic standpoint how does that that then change the behavior and by the way the results are pretty crazy like they're crazy in the fact that like depression in emf is is linked we like like i said i can't again can't confidently say that because that's no studies but in our research and what I see when we do our brain scans, like the EEG, you see those parts of the brain that regulate mood, anxiety, you see all that fire.

1:12:06You see it in the heart, right? Like you see, you see the heart change. And so we saw that in the mice. And so that was really interesting, but it was magnified when we put in, like, we added more devices at different frequency levels. And so again, the complexity of the field, yes, the complexity of the field, their signaling within the body is affected.

1:12:29Gary Brecka:Not to ask the obvious question, but how do you measure depression in a mouse? So they put him in... He looks so sad. Yeah, exactly. They look at their facial expressions. They put him in these dark rooms or these like dark places and the way that they interact when they're in these stressful situations. And so there's a variety of these different tests. And based upon what I understand, again, this isn't what I do, but there's a protocol for this that is accepted and like people understand and that's how they know this strain is already like we know that strain access way and we know the strain's excited like we know we know that because of these this protocol so it was essentially an existing protocol that we were following and and again i could even be getting it wrong but as i was reading through it because it's coming to me in a different language and i'm trying to translate it and then i have a translator and it's usually a mess right like to get that out but yeah but that's it they're following a protocol that's like been established around how do we measure that in mice first um going back to your my point though of like what can i do in my environment it's reducing the amount of technology if i can like do you need your refrigerator connected to wi-fi do you need your washer and dryer do you need your robot vacuum like all because again all the signals there but you're increasing the complexity with all of this communication yeah and so i would be thoughtful about that um those that can opt out of the smart power meter i would opt out i did just no reason for it and um i would be like i said i would really think about clarity of signal.

1:13:55I think the clarity of signal, like the signal to noise concept is the same when it comes to the biology. Like the better signal you can create for your biology, the better life that you're going to have, right? Like that's just fact. Totally agree with that, yeah. And so the same thing with your technology. The better signal there, the better it's going to perform and the less chaos, the less noise it's going to be created. And together, when you do those things together, the biology likes that.

1:14:20Gary Brecka:The biology likes better, cleaner signal. So reducing interference is always better with it and the consistency in the uniformity of it yeah to do that do you find that women are more sensitive to emfs than men and yeah you know i i think uh kind of a nod to some other people that have talked about this already that did a really good job like andrew huberman did a really good podcast on the reproductive system for men and women he also talked about breast tissue and there were a couple things that i would say just kind of either added to that or and kind of saying that but i would definitely check his stuff out because he had his team go through and aggregate all the data and they came like conclusively the cell phone in your pocket if you're a man is going to disrupt everything right it's going to affect sperm mobility um it's going to affect testosterone production back pocket or yeah like just yeah put it on airplane mode if it's gonna be in your pocket uh and so i thought that was i was really excited that he that he did that and then the other thing he talked about and i heard this from Dr.

1:15:18Drew as well. If everyone remembers Dr. Drew. I love Dr. Drew, yeah.

1:15:22Gary Brecka:Yeah, good dude, good dude. Yeah, I was on his show a while back and he kind of came prepared for this conversation and he talked about cells that reproduce frequently, typically have a higher rate of error in the presence of EMF, if you will. Oh, a higher rate of error. Yeah, error, yeah. And so because of EMF impacting the signaling essentially, right? And so breast tissue is one of those cells that reproduces a higher rate. as are a lot of the reproductive areas. So you see a lot of the tissues and things like that. Now, there are some other factors that would be on there, like heat, not from EMF, to be clear.

1:15:57Like, I don't want to talk about the thermal effects of EMF because that's the part that everyone wants to point to and say, no, the government says that's fine. I'm just talking about the cell phone getting hot next to your breast or your pocket because it's trying to get a signal, right? Or the fact that it's just hot because it's hot. Changes in temperature like that, even subtle, will create problems, biological problems. And that's often covered in literature too. And so there's different factors there. But I think women are more intuitive about it. And I also think that their system is more complex.

1:16:33The hormone system, the regulations, and the communications, they're just more complex in a way. And I think that they're more sensitive to the disruption. So I do think that they are. I don't know if they absolutely are from a biological perspective. I think from a felt experience perspective, I think that they are.

1:16:50Gary Brecka:So now these devices that you have, they're, because if I put it in my car and I put it in a cup holder and I've got all this stuff going on my dash, you know, the screen is in front of me and my body is here and this is down here in my cup holder. Is it changing the cloud? Is it actually, it's redirecting these frequencies, softening them, for lack of better words, or creating some kind of consistency in this cloud. So basically tuning the environment. Yeah. Is that kind of what's happening? Yeah, it's a tuning the field. Because intuitively, I would think I want it to be between me and the source.

1:17:28Gary Brecka:But again, that's going back to this being sort of an arrow or a laser beam, and it's actually the complexity of the field. It's three-dimensional. So that's how it can work if it's not in a direct line. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, and actually there's a resonant effect and a coupling effect. And again, this gets into more like wave theory and physics, which I don't think we should touch on. But the idea that when waves couple together, when they're in phase, it does increase the area because you've added power to a specific way. So there is a lot of interference occurring, but it's stabilized and it's calculated, it's tuned.

1:18:04So with the Aries interacting, it also creates a three-dimensional hologram, if you will. And that's what you see in the infrared imaging, by the way, is a more of a three-dimensional view. It's not – I say it as if it's really large in the imaging. It's not really large because it – the infrareds fade so quickly. But you get it and you understand the exponential like mathematical equation of how that then spans out. But yeah, what you just said is right. Like people get confused with like directional, like beaming, and that's not how it works.

1:18:41Gary Brecka:And how far from the actual device is it tuning? Is it six feet? Is it eight feet? Is it? Yeah, that's another common question. The differences between the devices, there are, we have some measurements on the website you can look at. The larger one is pretty effective. Like this room's probably, I don't know, 15 by 15, maybe a little larger. um that would be the one of them would be sufficient uh in and where would you put it if you just set it around this pocket i mean i there's two there's kind of two points of reference right it's like the source of of emf and then where we are i prefer to have it where we are versus like the source because yes i'm concerned about the source but i'm really more concerned about the space that i occupy right and if there's enough complexity in our environment there's enough complexity to create the effect that we want within the resonator of our product, right, with our technology.

1:19:38And so what I mean by that is if there's not enough energy or complexity within the field that we occupy, then it doesn't matter anyways. It's not going to affect us. Does that make sense? So if there's enough for it to create an effect with our technology, then we're good because it's here, right? Does that make sense?

1:19:54Gary Brecka:And you also might not know of other sources. I mean, obviously, you know where your Wi-Fi routers and where your outlets are, but you may not know what other sources are coming through your windows and walls and what other fields are being layered. I think it's interesting. You bring up a good point. I think back, not even that long ago, I could count on my hand the number of devices I had in my house. And I had a wired router forever because I liked the higher speed. Everything's got Bluetooth. Everything. Everything is connected. I'm not kidding. You have the exponential curve of connected devices in our environment is that timeline is so condensed in such an exponential drive up of the number of devices in our environment.

1:20:39Our bodies have not evolved to adapt to that. That's just the truth. And so our body is adapted to natural Schumann-like resonances from the earth. And that's what our bodies, like, that's what we developed. That's our biology. And now we're quickly thrusted into this new technogenically charged world of complex frequencies. And that's why I think this conversation is moving so quickly right now. That's why that 49ers conversation is moving. I think that's why we have that conversation with the 49ers. the number of trainers that we talk to in, in professional sports and actually provide solutions to is would blow your mind.

1:21:21But what I found interesting when I kind of started to learn that world was there are people on staff, their job is to, and they get bonused on the number of minutes played, like not injured across the team. Right. So their whole job is to, like you were saying, to not get injured. And I find that really interesting. And so the fact that these guys like incentivized to find all the different ways to keep people on the field and healthy. Yeah. It's fascinating to me.

1:21:45Gary Brecka:Well, I mean, think about the cost. I mean, especially again, going back to non-contact injuries. I mean, you know, you just like want to just pound your head because you go, you know, you understand trauma, but, you know, when it's like, are they overtrained? Are they under-recovered? Are, you know, are they dehydrated? You know, and those are modifiable factors. Yeah. And I would imagine now the conversation shifting to EMF, it's going to be really interesting to see how this plays out with the 49ers. If there's anything publicly you can disclose along this journey, it'd be really interesting.

1:22:18Yeah, I think we'll definitely stay close on that because I do think it's an interesting conversation and I think it's worth people asking the questions. I think if I'm a player there, I'm definitely asking the questions.

1:22:28Gary Brecka:Oh, yeah, if I'm a player, I'm just getting it just in case. And by the way, I think the theory originated from the players. if I follow the article correctly. And again, as I mentioned to you earlier, like there's quite a few players on that team already that are customers and notable players. And so I'm not shocked. As a matter of fact, I was having a conversation with someone that I work with that helps me with a lot of our sports partnerships. And I told him like, remember when I first met you, it was about players in the 49ers. That was when our first sports conversations was the 49ers. So yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes.

1:23:03But I think, again, I'm more excited about the fact that you're seeing this conversation enter the cultural dialogue, which is what's exciting for me.

1:23:11Gary Brecka:Well, I'm really excited about these two studies that you got on the way to being published. And I think anything that, you know, you can do to help the consumer understand, I think I even got more clarity out of this podcast. I really appreciate you coming on because I did think of these fields as being fired or moving out in a trajectory in a wave-like fashion. But, you know, now that you've explained the complexity of all of these different fields overlapping Wi-Fi, 5G, 3G, you know, microwave, radio wave, infrared, you know, there are all of these different complex signals coming in at a finite level to our cellular biology.

1:23:50Gary Brecka:And you're right, a lot of our cellular biology and the way we eliminate waste and detoxify and repair and regenerate is based on how we can move molecules across different boundaries, across different membranes. And virtually all of that has to do with electrical signaling. So it makes intuitive sense. And I also like that you didn't come in here and draw these vast analogies to this causes cancer and this prevents cancer because I don't think it's that simple and these are not straight lines. So I'm delighted that you came on The Ultimate Human Podcast, man. I wind down and I hope this brought clarity to you guys too.

1:24:35Gary Brecka:I mean, I've actually, you know, some podcasts I get on because I get guests on here because I'm interested and I really enjoy the conversations and other times I feel like I've really packed away some knowledge And that's, that's one of those. I appreciate that, man. And, and I appreciate you sharing your platform. I'm really passionate about the mission and, you know, that, that we're on. And, and a lot of people ask me how I got involved and I, it's one of those weird things like, you know, in my background, I don't know, 25, well, I've been saying 25 years now for probably 27 years. So I'm probably, I'm probably closer to 30 years.

1:25:11Gary Brecka:I modify that. Yeah. I'm probably 30 years now, but, um, it's one of those things where like, I probably had no business running this company because I had been kind of deeply entrenched in other, other like businesses, but you're kind of a brand guy. I mean, yeah, more like, yeah, brand growth, building, you know, companies and stuff like that. And so, um, I got to give a lot of credit to my wife because I always just call her a hippie for lack of a better term, but I would say there's probably three people. My wife doesn't have the negative connotation. Not anymore. Right. Yeah. Oh, hey, barefoot, grass-fed meat, pasture-raised eggs.

1:25:44Gary Brecka:I love it. I would say my wife, Andrea. Well, if you're in an inner circle, you call her Andy. I'm still fighting to get in that inner circle. So we'll call her Andrea. And I would say Tim Ferriss and Drew Green. I don't know Tim Ferriss, but his book, The 4-Hour Body, he has a section in there about EMF. And because I didn't quite listen to my wife back in 1999 and 2000, when she was like, I don't know about all these, this new, um, wireless phone. That's now 2.4 gigahertz versus the 900 megahertz that we used to have. Right. He's like, I don't know about that. I'm, I'm sensing that this technology might be bad for us.

1:26:18So she kind of turned me on early on. And, um, but then his book came out. I can't remember what year that is. It's been some time now, 15, 20 years. Yeah.

1:26:26Gary Brecka:I still quote his, uh, 30, 30, 30. Yeah. It's great. But he has a chapter in there about, if you want to like quadruple some crazy absurd number of your testosterone your own. And the main takeaway was take the cell phone out of your pocket. Yeah. And I thought that was really fast and really bold, by the way, at that time, like nobody was talking about that. He was way out on that one. And so now because I'm like, look, I'm a, I'm a big fan of Tim's, his work. I've always connected with him because I'd like his approach. He's like, he's like with you. It feels like when you're going through these things.

1:26:53So he's a great teacher in that respect. And then I'll say Drew Green. So Drew Green is the chairman of Aries. He's also the CEO of Indochino, which is a massive, you know, menswear company. And so he's the one that reached out to me and said, Hey, I, you know, I like your background. Come look at this company. And I was like, okay, you know, like everyone does, right. Dismisses it, whatever all crazy negative things that you want to say about it. And, um, but it was like, ask all your questions. Here's all our research. What do you want to talk about? And I would say the thing that really I just connected with was the simplicity of the solution.

1:27:28I know it sounds complex, but you're talking about two or three different things combined. By the way, the two or three things combined, the shapes, the fractal resonator, the geometry, Aries didn't invent any of that. That's all existing technology and well-understood physics. They just layered them together to create a specific outcome. So they've been chasing this outcome, this like arrangement for years, but it wasn't until the silicon came out and we could etch it the way that we did that they could they finally unlocked the solution and so it's kind of cool yeah it was really cool and so when i understood that and i had you know access to the to the team and the physics guys and the biology people and watch them kind of fight with each other because they're they think that they know the person's job like super interesting because they have these very deep fields i was just like i can't get enough of this and i as a brand guy i always love things that are slightly controversial you have a polarizing thing.

1:28:20You typically know you're onto something, but I would also say just, I just felt like, man, if this, if, if I could communicate this to the world, the change in the, like the empowerment that you give back to people that don't even know that they're being affected and you give them this, this opportunity. Anyways, I just get really passionate about that. It was really exciting for them to do that. So I couldn't, I couldn't not do this job. I don't know if I can say this right, but yeah.

1:28:47Gary Brecka:Well, you're doing a good job at it. So I wind down all my podcasts by asking my guests the same question. And there's no right or wrong answer to this question. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? Interesting. I think, man, I should have prepared for this. I should have scripted something. Dude, you've seen the podcast. You know the question's coming up. I know, dude, I know. Every single guest. I'll tell you, as a father and as a husband, And I think being an ultimate human is actually preparing yourself mentally, physically, emotionally to do that job extremely well. And I think oftentimes we overlook some of those elements that I just said, like the sometimes it's not mental, sometimes it's not emotional, sometimes it's not physical.

1:29:32And we get sloppy, we get lazy, and I take that job really seriously. And so to me, being an ultimate human is the ability to do that well so that my kids can then keep doing that well over time. And so that it really affects multiple people, multiple generations. That's awesome, man.

1:29:49Gary Brecka:Well, thank you for coming on the Ultimate Human Podcast, brother. Thanks, sir. This was amazing. We're definitely going to have you back. When you get those articles published, I'd love to have you send them over. I'll link them in the show notes. And until next time, guys, that's just science.