243. Kyle Forgeard: On Mental Resilience, 100-Mile Endurance and Health Transformation

13:55Kyle Forgeard:the backstory i've told you this too but yeah cole your son was the one that got me into the hundred I was, um, I know Cole's always up to some crazy ass shit. His great, his great world race inspired me. Athletic shit. Yeah. His great world race inspired me. I don't know how he did that with such limited training. So that inspired me too. And, um, yeah, I was kind of in a place in my life too, where I felt myself drifting back a little bit into stuff I didn't want to be doing. And I was like, yo, I got to lock in on something else. I was on a run literally. And I just called Cole and I was like, hey, bro, like, what do you got going on this year?

14:29Kyle Forgeard:He told me he was doing the Burj Khalifa. I was like, that sounds terrible. I'm going to throw up. I don't want to throw up.

14:36Gary Brecka:Vertical miles. Yeah. So I was like, what else do you got?

14:39Kyle Forgeard:I don't want to do a whole Burj Khalifa and spin around. He's like, I'm doing a hundred miles. And when I heard that, I was like, hmm, that's interesting because also I'm always thinking from the content side of it too. yeah i was like 100 miles everybody knows what that is if you're into fitness if you're not into fitness everyone can relate they know how hard running is and running 100 miles that sounds insane it's easy it's easy for everyone to digest so i was like i'm in i committed on the spot i

15:08Gary Brecka:told them i remember you sent me a text message i want to say it was august august 13th ish yeah and you sent me a text message and you just said hey just just locked in with your son cold committed

15:17Kyle Forgeard:to a hundred mile race yeah okay but part of that was like when i started looking into it too I committed before I really looked into it. Then I start watching all the documentaries and I'm like, oh God, we are, we are in for the hardest thing by far we've ever done in our lives. But what I learned about it going into it was, yeah, this is going to be mentally and it's all mental. You know, if you train right, you're going to finish, but you're just going to be tested mentally in a way that you've never been tested before. and I was even tested during the training you know I mean the longest I'd ever run was just a marathon 26 miles at like you know it took me four and a half hours so that's not a good marathon really by any sense but even from the training you know we started with 50 mile weeks and then 60 mile weeks and then 70 mile weeks and then 80 mile weeks and coach Matt gave us such a structured plan that yeah even from the training i learned so much about how important structure is and how important you know if you have a goal you got your deadline and we had our deadline and then once you have a structured plan i feel like you can really achieve anything in life yeah and that's what i learned from the training of this race one and then yeah i was also like after i do this 100 miles and I push my mind so far past its breaking point, what can I not do?

16:44Kyle Forgeard:Like, it's almost like I'm proving to myself and to my mind that it's, everything's in your mind. Like if you know how to control your mind and push past that pain and things you don't want to do, everything in my life is easy now. If I have a new business project I want to do, I feel like I know how to organize it better with the structure I learned from a race. Same thing. Goal, deadline, plan, get it on paper. Same thing as my training. And then, yeah, just, I think there was just so many benefits to it. Like I just learned so much about myself completing it. It was the best thing we ever decided to do.

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18:53Gary Brecka:Yeah. There's not a lot of room to fuck around. There's not. I noticed like when Cole was in high school, you know, he was playing high school football. And high school football, if you got kids or you played high school football, you know what that's like. It's like they're at school at six o 'clock in the morning before the bell rings every day. You got games every Friday. You got practices. You get practice through the summer. He was so busy and so exhausted. He did not have time to fuck around. And I saw where, like, as he left eighth grade and, you know, there were just this gap between some of his friends.

19:24Gary Brecka:Like, you know, he went one way, you know, they kind of went a different way. And, but it was the, it was the amount of time that he had to commit to just staying on that team. And I think, I think for you, you know, setting this big, bold, audacious goal, it's like your schedule is full now. And so you have time to be productive and you have time to exercise for this goal. there's not a lot of empty space in between i think that's key too because i'll i'm always

19:51Kyle Forgeard:into fitness i feel like like you say too it's my drug of choice now as well if i don't work out for three days i'm feeling mentally slow i'm feeling a little depressed i need to get my body moving i need to sweat i need to get my heart rate up i just i'm addicted to it which is a which is a blessing right we're lucky but i think with fitness too if people are trying to get into it, I really think you can get lost when you just don't have a specific goal. And for me, yeah, what I like to do is I like to set a goal and I like to set a deadline. That could be anything. That could be running a 5K.

20:25Kyle Forgeard:It could be running a half marathon, a marathon. It could be, I want to get my bench to this by this date. But I think you set a goal and you set a deadline. And then what I like to do even is, and I have a bigger following, but even if you don't post it on social media. Even if you have 200 people that follow you, it puts that little sense of pressure on yourself and accountability. And I think that's the extra little piece that, you know, if you put it out there, all your friends or your circle are going to be judging you. Yeah. And put the date out there, put some pressure on yourself. That's what personally works for me.

20:59Cause I know I'm like, shoot, I put it out there.

21:02Kyle Forgeard:If I don't do this, people are going to think i'm not a person of my word yeah so i like that little secret that little

21:08Gary Brecka:extra pressure yeah you know i i do the same thing you know i think that when you when you set a goal like that if you just start talking about it telling people about it your mind also starts to believe that right because you know you're you you've boxed yourself into a corner and now you

21:25Kyle Forgeard:have now you have no choice because you're always going to be tempted to stray away from it even during my training right like you know you get invited to this or i'm tired or blah blah blah but it's like shoot i set this goal like you i think having pressure on yourself is very important too yeah i think it's a little cheat code yeah and i think it helps you kind of reset your

21:46Gary Brecka:priorities every day like is this serving my goal yeah that's one thing i realized too is

21:51Kyle Forgeard:you're not missing much you know the things that you because you got i had to sacrifice a lot of stuff to do this training because when you're running a hundred miles a week you look at your training block and you got 20 miles this day 15 the next day 15 the next day 15 and then 30 yeah you got to complete that run and then the second after that run you got to start recovering i had to go stretch for an hour i had to sauna i had to ice bath i had to normatech and then i had to

22:21Gary Brecka:sleep yeah yeah i had to feel and by the way you're running a platform too so exactly too and i had to

22:26Kyle Forgeard:work too. So there wasn't much time for other stuff. People would hit me up and be like, want to do this? Want to do this? And now that I look back, I'm like, this was actually my first New Year's too, that I think I didn't drink since I was probably 16. And I was just, I had a sober New Year's. I literally didn't even stay up for the ball drop.

22:48Gary Brecka:Wow.

22:48Kyle Forgeard:Because I had no choice. I had to run 20 miles on New Year's day. Oh, wow. Yeah. Cause I guess we set January 21st as our day. So Christmas and New Year's was our busiest time of running. You mean like the most miles? Most miles. Yeah. Yeah. So just dedicated it to a T.

23:06Gary Brecka:And when you crossed that 32 miles and you were in that uncharted territory and realized there was so much more ahead, like what's going through your mind? Like how does your mind just not override your body and make

23:22Kyle Forgeard:you quit so my going into it oh yeah our longest run was 31 miles and i really trusted coach i really trusted coach matt and he told me yo you're gonna finish he said like going into it he's like you're ready he told all of us you're ready you're gonna finish if you did my training you're ready um but obviously you know you taper off before the run so the last two weeks the most we were running a day was probably five miles and then we didn't run five days before at all wow yeah so i thought since our legs were so well rested i was like oh we've already ran 31 i did that with cole i was like so easy we felt good we're laughing at the end of the run really yeah we were we ran a marathon here yeah and we're just like that was so easy so we're like yo we're ready i was like we're not going to feel this till like mile 50.

24:13Yeah. But weirdly it hit a lot faster than I

24:16Kyle Forgeard:thought. It hit at mile 20. It hit at mile 20.

24:20Gary Brecka:Yeah.

24:20Kyle Forgeard:And that's when I realized, I'll be honest, I never actually ever had a doubt I was going to finish.

24:25Gary Brecka:Really?

24:26Kyle Forgeard:Not one single doubt. I never had a doubt. It was because I think it was because of the accountability, like having my parents there, having our crew there, having you there, having Drake jump in the live stream. And then also, having 50 ,000 people watching us live. I'll be honest. I never had a doubt, but what I did realize very quickly was I underestimated this a little bit and this is going to be fucking tough as hell. Yeah.

24:57Gary Brecka:Yeah.

24:57Kyle Forgeard:And I still, I didn't know it was tough as hell. And yeah, we kind of, the way we broke it down was we started feeling it at mile 20. And then what we all did was we didn't think of the hundred anymore we just thought of aid station by aid station by aid station so there was an aid station and if you guys don't know what that is it's where you stop and you eat because we had to be eating we ate over i think 12 000 calories in that 25 hours so you stop you sit for five to 15 minutes and you you fuel up yeah so we just took aid station by aid station and we knew every 10 to 12 miles there was going to be an aid station and that's how we all kind of mentally battled it we're like all right aid station we're here and it was nice to

25:41Gary Brecka:sit down yeah but getting up was oh i know it was horrible also you through those things they were three to five minutes yeah i mean i remember he was like let's go let's go let's go let's go everybody up everybody up back to the front and three o 'clock in the morning five o 'clock in the morning and and you know we were we were laying cold down on the side of the road wrapping him in a blanket

26:01Kyle Forgeard:and pulling his feet up and i was just trying to shivering yeah rub it you know rub his calves and

26:06Gary Brecka:his and his thighs out just to kind of get the blood moving but it seemed like i just started and then boom you guys were back up and running and i think he he he had a method to his madness he's like you you got to keep moving man you can't if you stop for too long that's even though your

26:19Kyle Forgeard:body wants to because it was yeah getting up was so hard and then just walking it off felt horrible And then you just got to like push yourself to start moving. And then your legs would kind of go numb a little bit. And then we'd kind of get a high.

26:33Gary Brecka:Yeah.

26:34Kyle Forgeard:And we'd be like, yo, this feels good. And then it would drop off again. It was just like a roller coaster the whole time. It kind of started with like, feel bad after the aid station, feel really good, feel bad again, aid station. It was literally this. It was a cycle. And we just had to mentally battle that the entire time. And then we were feeling really good. I think mile 85, we're laughing, we're chuckling. We're even considering like skipping the last aid station. And then we got to mile 93 aid station. And from 93 to 98, it was five straight miles of complete incline, winding hills. I think we ended up parallel.

27:19Kyle Forgeard:It was crazy. I was looking at a mountaintop and it was only like right here. Yeah. And it felt like there was no end to that. Like imagine running 93 miles, 93. This makes me sick thinking about it. It makes me sick too. I was there. 93 miles. And then they're looking at us and there's like, there's five miles of hills. And it felt like it never ended. And I guess in ultra marathoning, you never run up a hill. So we're just walking. So we're taking 25 to 30 minute miles. so it ended up being just two hours of walking up a huge mountain after running 93 miles yeah and that was that was a breaking point like i've never experienced i kind of treated it like some of the guys had tears i mean they broke down i kind of treated it like i was i was like i hate to compare it but like i'm sure people are tortured in the world like arm army people i was kind of treating it like that i was like yo there's people that get tortured worse than this I kind of got to just think of it like that where like I'm literally getting tortured right now and I'm going to survive.

28:21Kyle Forgeard:I got to beat the pain. And yeah, it was just shutting the brain off and being like, this is temporary. This is going to be over. There's no option to quit. I noticed your narrative changed a little bit. You were like, this fucking sucks.

28:37Gary Brecka:This absolutely sucks. I'm in so much pain. So much pain. Because I also knew it. You were so bright before that.

28:43Kyle Forgeard:I know. Well, I took some ibuprofen. Yeah, yeah. Is that Motrin's ibuprofen? Yeah, yeah.

28:47Gary Brecka:When you guys took the Motrin and the caffeine -

28:50Kyle Forgeard:We saved it.

28:51Gary Brecka:It looked like you guys were on a shroom trip or something. You were so happy and animated. We were so happy. But yeah, and then getting to that finish line

29:00Kyle Forgeard:and seeing all you guys there. And I didn't have any visual of what the finish line looked like. I didn't even ask them what it was going to look like because I trusted them. But for some reason, I didn't expect that many people to be there. Yeah. So turning that - And of course the final route was 101.7. I know. So they had to screw us with a 1.7 extra. So we're already dead. And then, yeah, when we turn that corner into like, once you do push past that pain and I knew I made it and I saw all you guys, I heard the cheers. I never cried too, but I teared up.

29:31Gary Brecka:Dude, you broke down. I teared up. All six of you did.

29:33Kyle Forgeard:I think it was because you knew the pain was over. And then just, I literally felt the energy of like all you guys. turning the corner i felt it and i was i just cried i was like yeah i don't know it was such an amazing moment i'll never i'll never forget that moment and it made me so happy it made everything worth it and seeing all the familiar faces being around people that you like genuinely love too yeah at the at the finish line was it was such a great achievement and i think it yeah i just learned so much from the entire i learned a lot from the training yeah the training was was a game changer and take some time to heal.

30:11Kyle Forgeard:You just put me in the hydrogen bath and take some time to reset. But I think, like I said, having a goal, always having a goal that you're working towards is the way to really stay focused.

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31:13Kyle Forgeard:charity um ended up raising what i think 330 000 something like that yeah because drake came to

31:20Gary Brecka:the table with 150 000 i donated 100 000 you donated 100 000 i think dana white came to the table i don't know if he did yeah he did we said he did we'll get him next time all right get him next time he said he did but well hold on dana if you're watching a lot for us already yeah dana's done more for anyone in this world for my career too it's been me too amazing but um how did you select that charity and like what what what was the meaning behind that um well yeah so i mean i've

31:45Kyle Forgeard:lost my grandma on my dad's side to cancer i lost my grandpa on my mom's side to cancer and then i just lost my grandfather on my dad's side to cancer who was like it's hard to explain but I don't know I just had my two grandparents on my dad's side they were just so close to me my entire life like my parents couldn't afford uh or babysitting was expensive obviously my parents were middle class but babysitting was expensive and you know they came and moved in with us for a year when I was young and they took care of me and then I played hockey growing up my whole life and my gramps would come to every single one of my hockey games.

32:23Kyle Forgeard:It was his favorite thing to do, come to my hockey games. He'd give me$2 for every goal. Really? And$1 for every assist. In Canada, it's called a toonie and a loonie. Like there's a$2 coin and$1 coin. Oh, really? Okay. I was pretty nasty at hockey, so I kind of emptied his bank account a little bit. I made him go broke. Yeah, I made him go broke. But yeah, so we were just close my whole life and my gramps was just a huge, and my nanny, but my gramps being, you know, a male, He was a huge role model for me. I just felt like he did everything perfect. You know, he worked hard. He saved up money.

32:57He married a lady he loved.

32:59Kyle Forgeard:He had my uncle and my dad, who my uncle's amazing, two great guys. And they were such good grandparents. So I always looked up to him my whole life. We had a special relationship I can't describe. So he started, he entered into a hospice right during my peak week, actually. so the the week that I've had to run 100 miles I was going to be running with Cole here in Miami and all the guys and Matt was flying out and we had this whole peak week planned and my dad called me and said hey Gramps is kind of like you know he's in a hospice now he doesn't have much time so I had to fly up there emergency and I just ended up doing my whole peak week up up in Canada where he lived just to you know be around him and spend time with him and I think it made I was really happy that I did that.

33:45Kyle Forgeard:And I told him I was doing, he was always into fitness too. He was super into like bodybuilding and like he has all the gym magazines and stuff like that. He was always into lifting. So when I started getting, getting into it, that was another thing we bonded over.

33:59Gary Brecka:That's cool.

33:59Kyle Forgeard:And so when I told him I was doing the a hundred miles, he thought it was cool. He thought it was crazy. So he really wanted me to do it. So I kind of decided that was going to be an extra why for me as to why I was doing this. And then, I mean, everyone knows it too. it just obviously got me thinking and i was just like cancer treatment and current cancer treatment is just pretty much bullshit right i don't know i mean i said it too but like i feel like scientists have admitted they've cloned a sheep yeah i mean that means they can clone a human i can't even imagine what the top level of science has access to and the fact that there's no common cure for cancer.

34:39Kyle Forgeard:Everyone knows it's a scam. It's just a complete scam. They're profiting off people dying. So I wanted to do something for cancer, but I also knew there's so many cancer foundations and people raising money. And it's like, what has it really done? Where does it go? I posted on my story and I said, send me some foundations that are actually making a difference. And a lot of people sent me Hunter 7. so I had a call with Chelsea one of the ladies at the foundation she just explained to me how their you know my grandpa started with prostate cancer and she told me like no one should ever die of prostate cancer she said it's so easy to test for and when you do test for it it's easy to nip in stage one and two you know she's like that's part of the whole problem so after talking to her for 30 minutes I asked Cole and I told him to ask you what you think of it and I think you guys said that you you liked a lot of the stuff that they were doing.

35:36Kyle Forgeard:You did. So when I found that out, I was like, all right, let's do it. So we kind of put that purpose behind the run. And I knew a lot of people would donate money if we were doing the 100 miles. So I was like, let's do this also for a good cause and do this in the name of my gramps too, who inspired me. And I want to continue to do, yeah, we ended up raising over 330 ,000. Drake jumped in, donated 150 ,000, which was amazing. I was on the live when that happened. Amazing. Like a shot in the arm for all you guys. Yeah, it was insane. So I think she even told me now, I think they're going to use that money and they're like partly opening up like a treatment center.

36:15Kyle Forgeard:That's awesome. Yeah, so we should go visit that too. And I would love to continue to do anything we're doing to help, you know, with that cancer. Because, I mean, what do you think? Like what?

36:26Gary Brecka:I totally agree. I mean, I think. Why are people still resorting to like chemotherapy and stuff? Well, we know that all cancer, regardless of its form or its origin, was at one time a healthy cell. So regardless of what type or form or origin of the cancer, that cell was at one time a healthy cell and it shifted its metabolism to being a sick cell. What's astounding to me is that we believe that healthy cells can become sick, but we don't believe that sick cells can become healthy. And, you know, I'm not a fan of current cancer treatment. I've been on the journey with several people that have put cancer in remission, including Dana White's mother-in-law.

37:05Gary Brecka:I didn't have anything to do with it. I'm not licensed to practice medicine. I just directed them to the right place to get care. But, you know, what's amazing is, you know, we know now that we can turn the immune system on cancer. You know, there are dendritic cell vaccines where you can introduce cancer to your immune system and get your immune system to attack the cancer and eat it like a termite. It doesn't work in all cases. There are immunotherapies that boost the immune system to kill cancer. You know, we've never really addressed, you know, diet, lifestyle, not only as precursors for cancer, but also what to do once you get cancer.

37:37Gary Brecka:You know, I used to read discharge papers for cancer patients and I would be astounded as, you know, when it would say dietary guidelines or dietary recommendations, none. No. None. Yeah, it makes no sense. You know, like you can have, you know, whatever you want. And so I think that, I think the Maha movement, I think what folks like you were doing, I think some of these naturopathic cancer foundations are really starting to shift the needle to people's understanding that the best way is prevention, you know, keep people out of the system. But once you have it, that there's a lot that you have in your own possession to get to the other side of cancer treatment.

38:14And instead of just being, you know, preyed upon or treated upon,

38:18Gary Brecka:you can also take a lot of those decisions into your own hands. Yeah, I'd love to continue to spread awareness about it

38:25Kyle Forgeard:Because I think like you said too, no dietary restrictions. Like let's at least -

38:29Gary Brecka:Yeah, it would say discharge papers, it would say dietary recommendations. None in all caps. Like none at all. Alcohol? Yeah.

38:36Kyle Forgeard:Because I mean when someone, especially - Smoking, vaping, vengenaries. I feel like the medical industry in Canada than the US is like even more different a little bit. I feel like Canada is like very like - Yeah. One dimensional. And very narrow. And it's hard to get access to those different types of things. Even the stuff we do here, biohacking and stuff, it's like not as big there. I'm sure in other countries it's the same. But yeah, right now it's just like you have cancer or chemo. Like let's start the conversation at least. Let's talk about dietary restrictions. Let's talk about things you can do to prevent it, testing.

39:10Kyle Forgeard:Like I would love to help spread more awareness about that stuff.

39:15Gary Brecka:I'll definitely help you do that. I'd love to be a part of that journey with you. So when you talk about like goal setting and structure and having a plan, And now that you sort of crested the mountain, no pun intended, on a 100-mile race. Literally, you actually crested two mountains.

39:30Kyle Forgeard:I will remember that mountain forever.

39:32Gary Brecka:I fucking hate that mountain. I will, and I didn't even run it. But what's next for you? Have you decided? Are you thinking about it?

39:42Kyle Forgeard:I definitely want to keep up with the crazy fitness stuff.

39:47Gary Brecka:I've heard you talk about Antarctica maybe.

39:49Kyle Forgeard:or yeah i think i think we've come too far in our running to not do something else crazy but there's also two elements to it right there's the physical element yeah and then there's people are entertained by this now we had 60 000 people in the stream so i feel like we had a lot of doubters at the beginning too right in the chat everyone was like they're not going to finish

40:12Gary Brecka:100 of the people thought that all six of you wouldn't finish they didn't think that none of you would finish but i would say 100 of the people in the chat gave a zero percent chance to the six

40:22Kyle Forgeard:of you guys crossing the fish line together which is crazy so the reason there was 60 000 people at the end is because we shocked people so i feel like if we just let's say i announced a 200 mile race i feel like people would probably be like oh he's gonna do it now i mean it's only 100 more like he's clearly mentally strong a little bit so what is that next goal fitness wise that's going to test us but also entertainment wise that's going to make people buy in and we gotta it's like part two of the movie right it's like what's next what's going to be that goal that people are going to doubt us and we're going to prove again i know cole's doing the iron man's that's that's insane days that's insane but i think there'll be something but uh right now i just want to focus on putting on some muscle a little bit stay and uh try to get a little jacked and keep up with my running.

41:16Kyle Forgeard:I might, I'm going to try to hit some marathon PRs too. Cause coach Matt is saying like, yo, you're in prime shape. He's like in 10 weeks, you could do a sub three marathon.

41:24Gary Brecka:Wow.

41:25Kyle Forgeard:Which, which is insane.

41:27Gary Brecka:That is insane.

41:27Kyle Forgeard:I just did a three 45 marathon in December. And like the thought of going sub three marathon for me, 45 minutes off. Like I said, I'm technically a professional alcoholic still. So if I'm going sub, I mean, technically I'm, I'm one of the largest shareholders of a top five alcohol brand. So if I can go sub three in a marathon, I think that'd be pretty fucking cool. And I always shotgun a happy dad at the end.

41:55Gary Brecka:Yeah.

41:55Kyle Forgeard:That's a tradition no matter what. We did a hundred miles, we shotgun a happy dad.

41:59Gary Brecka:So that's - Oh no, you earned that happy dad. Your body just burned that thing off, man.

42:04Kyle Forgeard:Oh yeah, yeah.

42:04Gary Brecka:But, you know, Jesse Itzler talks about, and Jesse's actually one of those folks. I just had him on my podcast, amazing podcast. one of those folks who's just crushed in sort of every area of life. I feel like he's got a really good, solid family foundation. He's got a great circle of friends. He's very inspiring. And he's also exited, you know, companies for in excess of$5 billion. So he's succeeding on multiple fronts. I actually use his big-ass calendar for the first time my wife and I spent. We went between Christmas and New Year's and did his big-ass calendar. But he talks about this thing called a masogi, which is a big, bold, audacious goal.

42:40Gary Brecka:You set it every year. And you should only really have a 50-50 shot at completing it. Like even you. Wow. Should, like when you set the 100-mile goal, somewhere in your mind was, I actually might not be able to do this. Right.

42:54Kyle Forgeard:See, I don't think like that. Really? That's good. No, because when I set a goal.

42:57Gary Brecka:So the Musogi, he said.

42:58Kyle Forgeard:When I set a goal, I knew, once we found Coach Matt, and I knew he was the real deal, it was kind of like when you go to class and you actually did your homework. If I would compare it to that. Like this time, you know, when you went to class and you're like, shoot, I didn't do my homework. What am I going to tell the teacher? Like I got to think of an excuse. But sometimes you did get your Bristol board. You did your presentation. You had it ready. And you walked into class like the man. And you knew like, I'm ready to hand this right into the teacher. So that's how I felt about this hundred miles was that we had such a good coach.

43:31Kyle Forgeard:We followed the training to a T. We recovered like beasts. We slept. We dedicated everything. things so that's why for this specifically i'm a guy where it's like i only get anxiety if i know i didn't prepare properly so maybe we do need a goal that is more 50 50 yeah yeah where you like even though you're prepared you're like there's a yeah 50 50 so you had a you had a conversation with david goggins at the last ufc fight um i'd love for you to talk a little bit about how that went because that might be a masogi right there yeah you're right um i mean goggins is obviously Goggins broken some legends.

44:08Kyle Forgeard:Goggins is a legend. Obviously, we're good friends with Dana White, and I've become pretty good friends with Hunter Campbell, too. He's a great human, too. Great guy, Hunter. He's a fucking genius. He is a genius. And I was asking him if we could do Goggins on the pod for, like, the last year or more. And he's like, yeah, like, let me work on it. You know, Goggins doesn't do a lot of stuff. He's not collabing with influencers and stuff. right um so i hit hunter hit me up about our 100 miles and like congratulated us and um he told me goggins was going to be at the fight on saturday that we just went to um he said i'll introduce you so goggins came by shook his hand and i told him like hey bro i just did my first hundred um we also raised over 300 000 for hunter seven and he told me he's like dude i don't give a fuck about the hundred he's like you should have just told me you raised 300 for hunter seven he's like that's fucking badass so and you know it's they do a lot for veterans too so i'm sure goggins you know like that foundation and he told me he said hey i'll tell you what if you can survive a workout with me i'll do some content with you oh but i was like fuck that is the content but i don't know what that meant but but yeah so basically i guess he agreed at some point i mean we shook hands we shook hands we shook hands and he said um yeah i guess at some point we're going to be trying to survive yeah a david goggins workout but i've heard he like makes people do like a thousand pull-ups and like our cardio is really good in shape but ufc fighter

45:44Gary Brecka:he did he broke adesanya adesanya and adesanya was like yakking in a bucket and like dude he's

45:50Kyle Forgeard:get that MMA athletes are the most I think they're the most in shape athletes in terms of conditioning yeah so like for Adesanya to like be yakking in a bucket like dude I've trained with UFC fighters and it's we trained with Islam Makachev in Dagestan what yeah we went you didn't know we went there no we went to Dagestan and we did uh we did a day they let you in yeah that was It wasn't easy. Yeah. We almost got, we almost got, they pulled us aside for two hours when we went into Dagestan. Why? Because they said they hadn't seen someone from, it's not like we went to Moscow.

46:27Gary Brecka:Right.

46:28Kyle Forgeard:We went to Dagestan. So they literally told us no one from North America has been here in the last six months. They're like, what are you doing here?

46:36Gary Brecka:Wow.

46:37Kyle Forgeard:Yeah. So they thought we were spies. Really? They literally thought we were spies. Yeah. They're like, what are you doing here? Like, we haven't seen a, uh, American passport, Canadian passport in six months. it's not a common thing to fly into that area.

46:49Gary Brecka:Yeah.

46:49Kyle Forgeard:So they pulled us aside for two hours and then we had to call, um, Islam Makachev's manager and he came to the airport and like said, yo, like they're with us. And then they let us go right away. Oh, wow. And then we had a great time after that. We went through some military checkpoints still, but we were with locals at that point. But if we, if we weren't, we would have been like, we went through military checkpoints in Chechnya. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, Gabe had to be quiet in Chechnya too. Like it was, they're not, you know, they're not too.

47:20Gary Brecka:Yeah.

47:20Kyle Forgeard:But it was crazy. Yeah. So, but we did, I mean, training with them, like I was more out of shape then too. But the way those UFC fighters train, I mean, you know, it's insane. They're conditioning. Islam did like, yeah, they were doing hill sprints and just like, so for Adesanya to get broken like that from Goggins is like, I mean, SEAL training is next level. I've done it once.

47:42Gary Brecka:You have.

47:43Kyle Forgeard:I've done a seal one day, but dude, they do a whole fucking hell week of that shit. And they don't sleep. Yeah. We did one day where we went to a beach workout. I worked out with some seals and we did the whole hit the surf, like go into the water, like that, and then pushups till failure, sandbag lunges, bear crawls. That was like two hours. And then they took us to the pool. We had to do laps and we had to do underwater, um, kettlebells, kettlebell walks, the bobbing. that was harder than the 100 miles wow the seal training really i i think so yeah i just saw the seal actually yesterday and he congratulated me on my 100 and i was like dude i think the seal training was harder i don't because they're he literally told us they are eliminating weakness from your mind that training is designed to eliminate weakness from your mind it's like They're kind of brainwashing you in a way where it's like, those guys are mentally fucking tough.

48:44The seals, holy shit.

48:47Kyle Forgeard:It's kind of scary to think about doing that again because they're breaking you. It's designed to break you. It's designed to weed out the weak people.

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49:35Gary Brecka:that's aiongear.com and you can use code ultimate for 10 % off and start training smarter today now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast you know i um i had dj shipley on my podcast uh and and i actually i take a little bit of something away i think from was he one of the guys that went to the in that new documentary i think so i think so it's really close to sean ryan um he went to do

50:01Kyle Forgeard:the treatment and yeah you want to do the um that documentary was amazing ayahuasca the um

50:06Gary Brecka:what's the name of it the treatment they do and uh they have a foundation for it for veterans

50:11Kyle Forgeard:i know i wanted to donate i wanted to raise money for that foundation originally yeah that would be a great yeah that's a good one too that documentary was yeah because those those guys not only really

50:19Gary Brecka:need it it's from everything that i've seen heard spoken to people that i really respect about it it's life-changing immediately i bet like it's it's i mean dr mark hyman just did it um and and it's medically supervised and it's down in mexico but uh dj talked about it with with me a lot and the shift that it made in him and these these are not like soft men you know um and no they're the most beast ever served in afghanistan and iraq yeah i mean they saw real combat real trauma and um just to hear him talk about how it shifted everything how he acts as a father how he acts as a as a husband how uh how it's changed his perspective on what his purpose is here on earth i mean and and i've talked to so many people that have had the exact same um experience and i've never done it so i don't know i've never done like ayahuasca i've never done one of those i've never done ketamine um but i know that people that have had severe trauma like btsd and severe trauma or even have like um overcoming emotional challenges they'll say that it's like finding the messiah you know i know and it's it's fast and it's relatively permanent you know so um he was he was the one that actually uh the little tip that i took from him was just preparing my i know it sounds so simple but preparing my workout clothes the next day but before i go to bed at night and so like each night now i just lay out shoe socks shorts and shirt and it sounds so simple but i lay it in the same place in my closet every night and it saves me like 20 minutes in the morning every day because i wake up and the room's dark and i don't want to wake up my wife and i'm fucking muddling around in the closet closet i can never find my shoes or can't find my freaking in socks now it's like right there boom i put it on him out the door so i so and i and i work out with cole most mornings so and he's being the day before he's an ass cracker dong kid i mean 5 30 6 a.m we're getting after it and i'll never be late for my son so how good does it feel to have a son

52:29Kyle Forgeard:that is now pushing you um like fitness wise and stuff it's because cole's a fucking dog he was the one guy that he could have kept going a little bit more 100 miles he was going he's like dad

52:43Gary Brecka:i'm gonna take a nap and go to the gym i go no you're not yeah this is a hormetic stress man we don't need any more stress on your body but um yeah i mean it's that goes with all my kids i mean i get inspired so much by my kids they all live really close to me but my daughter's a nurse you know his his older sister madison she's madison's amazing like starting her own chemical free skincare line which she's super passionate about my youngest is starting like a chemical free active wear line you know dylan is working his way through college right now and um you know he's taking jujitsu and you guys are just a great fucking family dude honestly like you guys are

53:18Kyle Forgeard:fucking you guys are great people every time i come over here it's just like the energy it's fucking awesome i'm so glad that we that we met we became friends with you guys thank you and now i'm becoming even closer with cole too and yeah he's pushing me too so it's been awesome yeah

53:33Gary Brecka:Yeah, thank you. I mean, I think as a father, any mother or father would say this, like when that transition happens in your life where you start getting inspired by your children, like you actually start looking up to your children. Wow. And I'm like. That must be such a great feeling. She's a really good man and she's a really good woman. And like, that's the greatest feeling in the world. You know, when they're growing up, there's no better thing in the world than watching your kids play sports. Whether they're good or they're great or they suck or they're amazing. Just watching your kids play sports is like just the greatest enjoyment.

54:08Gary Brecka:That's probably a rush, right? Such a rush.

54:09Kyle Forgeard:Feels like betting without betting.

54:11Gary Brecka:I never missed one of their games. I'd rather miss the Super Bowl than miss a high school football game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But now that they're adults and I'm just like, gosh, I mean, sometimes, like I'll hear Cole or Madison talk about their business and I'm like, where did you get all of this? Like, where did this come from? You know, you have such a good grasp of your business and your goals and what needs to get done to get there. And you want to think that you're responsible for that. But, you know, really they made these decisions on their own.

54:41Kyle Forgeard:I think it's got to stem a lot from parenting though too. Yeah, I was very blessed with very good parents too. Same. And that's a blessing that I maybe took for granted when I was younger too. But as I left Canada and started like going around the U.S., I realized, oh, wow, that's actually not something you should take for granted. a lot of people didn't grow up with that and it's very hard and then when you have kids you'll be a

55:06Gary Brecka:lot more intentional i bet right i'm very very intentional about my kids with my kids nothing would interrupt the time that i get to spend with them and then the fact that i get to do this career and my kids are on the same platform with me that we were all working the same company um for different different areas but we all work in the same enterprise it's to travel with them to see clients together to be in the hunt together do stage talks together it's just it's it is the single greatest blessing i thank god for it every single morning when i'm sitting

55:36Kyle Forgeard:yeah cole's been good because now it's like he's already signing up for a fucking 10 iron man i'm still i'm still getting hydrogen bubbles on my legs trying to recover yeah and now that's why it's good to have friends like that because it's like it's subconscious too even if i'm not noticing it it's like oh it's already on the next thing like what am i doing now too like it rubs off on you so subconsciously having that circle of friends that are positive yeah that's why too a lot of i decided at the end of last year too i'm like i'm really going to cut out a lot of people that are just you know they might have been in my life and but if they're not you know helping me be a better person or it's just like it's just not beneficial you know my old partner grant used to

56:21Gary Brecka:say show me the five people you hang around the most i'll tell you exactly where your life's going to be three years and you know you want to be around you know for me i like hanging around with younger people because it just keeps me young it keeps me it keeps me young and energetic and i feel a lot younger than i am i'm 55 but i just feel younger i'm the energy of 10 men but then you know you also want to hang around people that inspire you that are doing a lot greater things and so you're you're you're constantly being drawn in that direction when when you were when you were prepping for this race um i just want to circle back for a second what were some of the like non-negotiables for you like what were some of your biohacking modalities or some of your

57:00Kyle Forgeard:routines that were non-negotiable i'm i'm like i took recovery as serious as the training i mean i've learned from you guys too i mean yeah i'd wake up pretty much i'd wake up every day probably i mean if we were running early we also lived in miami so we'd have if we're running 20 miles you can't be starting at 9 a.m because you're going to be running in heat yeah so we would try to start running latest by 5 36 if we had a long run so sometimes we're waking up at 4 30 at the boardwalk by 5 30 got to eat before two um so i'd do that and then we'd crank out our run we're obviously learned how to fuel during our runs you got to be having a lot of calories during those 20 mile runs gels we learned about the the coca-cola trick yeah so we don't coca-cola trick well you know you saw us cranking coca-colas i didn't know that people did that i started watching the documentaries i'm like they're drinking coca-cola and then matt matt the shit you guys ate on that explained to me too he's like during 100 miles you just got to be able to put whatever fuel in your body you can and the more the easier it is to get calories into your body the better with like the smaller amount of food right so you're not eating rice and stuff on run you're eating donuts because it's just how many calories in a little donut like yeah six you have a coconut donut it's 600 calories so we started coach matt wanted us to practice stomaching food on our runs so me and cole would do that we'd run 10 miles and then we'd stop at a gas station walk into the gas station grab a nice code cold coca-cola and we're it's crazy and if you've I haven't had a Coca-Cola to actually quench my thirst.

58:46Kyle Forgeard:Yeah. You probably haven't in a while too. No. Oh, God, it's good. It's good. It's good. Because usually you have a Coke Zero at dinner or something, right? And it's like you're not dying of thirst, but to have a Coca-Cola when you're actually like, oh, my God, it's amazing. It's worth it. So we would do that. And then after the run, I would get stretched out by my trainer because I was still lifting weights too because I didn't want to lose all my muscle. Right. Yeah, you didn't get that skinny. No. So I was lifting five to six times a week still, like lifting heavy. And then I would get stretched out probably four times a week.

59:21Gary Brecka:Yeah.

59:22Kyle Forgeard:That was key, stretching after those runs. Yeah. And then I would cold tub and sauna. Like, you know, I'd miss a day or two sometimes if I was really busy, but cold tub sauna every day. And then Normatec boots on my legs. and then I had to sleep. So I was going to bed sometimes. Sometimes I was in bed by 7.30, 8. Yeah. And I would try to prioritize sleep as much as I can. You know, people would hit me up, want to go to dinner. And they wouldn't even say want to drink. They'd just be like, want to go to dinner? And I'm like, I can't stay up till 10.30. Yeah. I got to be asleep by 9 because I got to wake up at 4.30.

1:00:01Gary Brecka:Yeah. And this is not something that you have to prioritize your sleep. Yeah.

1:00:05Kyle Forgeard:So I just cut out everything and it was full-blown. train when training's done recover sleep repeat well what's next then on the on the business side

1:00:16Gary Brecka:of things i mean what what are some of your big bold audacious goals on the business side yeah i

1:00:21Kyle Forgeard:feel like this has made me more hungry business-wise too and it's taught me if i have a goal i just set that deadline and get that plan and you can really just achieve everything goal deadline plan it's so simple it's like even if he wants to get in shape it's like yo set a deadline

1:00:37Gary Brecka:or anyone like Gabe, anyone, or just anyone, if you want to, if you don't set a deadline,

1:00:44Kyle Forgeard:you're not going to get it done.

1:00:46Gary Brecka:Yeah. Like you're just like, Oh, when are you going to get it done

1:00:48Kyle Forgeard:by set a deadline and then fill that in with a plan. So, um, yeah, no, two things we're, we're working on this year that one is pretty close to happening is, um, and we've been trying to do this for a few years, but I think it's finally the right timing is, um, I'm not sure exactly what it's going to be called yet but um call it like nelk it's basically going to be nelk pranks on steroids and on a streaming service this year so picture the pranks that we've always done but now we have we've always had a dream list of pranks yeah that we were never quite able to pull out because they're so elaborate and expensive yeah and also we want to do that dream list of pranks now with um our celebrity network of friends yeah on celebrities and with celebrities in our ear so you might see that on a streaming service this year which would be crazy and we got a lot of celebrity friends right yeah dana white mike tyson snoop dog yeah there's a lot of people that you might see so that's one thing and then i've also been writing the last i've came up with the idea three years ago but we've been working on an animated series as well I've been working on picture like Nelk Fulsen's version of a family guy or South Park oh wow yeah so just like I'm not a character in it I may or may not play a voice but um just the Nelk Fulsen tone yeah of an animated comedy series we are uh we're pretty close to some stuff on that as well so those are

1:02:28Gary Brecka:two big entertainment goals that's really for me this year i kind of started out when i was younger wanting to do more conventional entertainment like that so i'm kind of treating this decade as like

1:02:39Kyle Forgeard:the second chapter of a decade which it is it's 2026 it's the second half of a decade and um a lot of dreams that i had as when i started out in entertainment the prank stuff kind of just worked out for us but now that i have my platform i have my connections i really want to get back to i want to write movies wow comedy eventually maybe even just like serious movies and stuff like that too like i'm a lot more creative i think than what i've done so far so just um doing a lot of that in the second half of this decade too and then happy dad is obviously it's crushing it yeah you got a good team there too john shahidi that's our main business yeah john and sammy are amazing incredible amazing amazing i mean the amount of business

1:03:24Gary Brecka:saccumentee between those two guys is unbelievable the words of wisdom that come out of their mouths

1:03:29Kyle Forgeard:yeah john's yeah i talk to john a lot everything business-wise i do i run it by john and then they just compliment each other so well yeah it's funny to see them argue sometimes such

1:03:38Gary Brecka:a muse of of business it's unbelievable for his age incredible john's incredible he's he's become

1:03:45Kyle Forgeard:they both become brothers to me too and that doesn't happen by accident but um yeah happy dad where our distribution is going through the roof this year. Sammy just signed 200, I think, 290 different distribution deals. He negotiated last year in three months, which can take like years to do because we had only one distributor in each state. That's how it worked. But we switched to now a beer distributor network, which is going to increase our distribution like crazy. so we went from around 50 distributors to 300 wow and each one of those takes an individual you know negotiating a contract he had to negotiate terms for each of those distributors so now that we're with um beer distributors yeah we're in we're going to be in so many more stores in 2026

1:04:38Gary Brecka:and 2027 that's awesome yeah congratulations for that well i think you're inspiring an entire generation i really do and it's this has been an amazing journey that i've been on with you personally. I think it's still just the beginning too. I think so too. For all of us, right? I

1:04:52Kyle Forgeard:really do. A million subs on Ultimate Human too?

1:04:54Gary Brecka:Yeah.

1:04:55Kyle Forgeard:That's huge. That's huge for your podcast.

1:04:58Gary Brecka:You're going to get the, where are you going to put the plaque? I got the hundred thousand one in my office. I'll put it on the wall of fame.

1:05:04Kyle Forgeard:A million is the real deal. Yeah. A million is a

1:05:06Gary Brecka:real deal.

1:05:07Kyle Forgeard:That's going to go where? In the crib.

1:05:08Gary Brecka:Yeah. It's going to go in the office in the back.

1:05:11Kyle Forgeard:Hell yeah. Yeah. On the wall of fame.

1:05:13Gary Brecka:But, you know, I wind down all my podcasts by asking my I guess the same question. And there's no real right or wrong answer to this question, but what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

1:05:24Kyle Forgeard:I think I answered this last time, but now.

1:05:28Gary Brecka:Well, now you've done the 100 miles. Maybe it's different.

1:05:30Kyle Forgeard:Now I would say,

1:05:35Kyle Forgeard:I think, I'm trying to think how to answer this. I think after just doing my 100 miles, I think like, you know, you would think being an ultimate human is just like physical stuff. But yeah, I would say just applying that ultimate human mentality that I did for my physical training and now applying it to every avenue of my life. basically yeah being disciplined i think and structured in every aspect of your life not just health and wellness but taking that same discipline that i did for my hundred miles and now applying it to my personal life like being disciplined you know being structured not letting people that aren't serving me enter my personal life and then in business as well if i have a you know if I want to do this animated series be structured be disciplined set my deadlines what's my plan I'm a leader be organized organize my team so I think it's just treating the same way that you treat your discipline and your gym and your health and wellness to to all aspects of your life that's what I've really learned from this hundred miles it feels good too yeah I feel really happy and I just feel like it just, it unlocked something for me.

1:06:57Gary Brecka:Yeah.

1:06:57Kyle Forgeard:Yeah. It's really good.

1:06:59Gary Brecka:I love that, man. You've inspired a lot of people, Kyle. Thanks for coming on the Ultimate Human Podcast. I hope you'll be back again. 100%. And before we go, you gotta tell me about those shoes.

1:07:08Kyle Forgeard:Oh, these are Justin Bieber's.

1:07:09Gary Brecka:These are Justin Bieber's. Skylar. It's his brand. These are the comfiest flops. My production manager goes, those are fire. No, shout out to JV. These are the comfiest flops ever. Really? Alright, I might have to fire up a pair of those then. Those are games. Oh, I stole them from you. Gabe's like, oh, those are mine, brother. Hey, guys, until next time, that's just science.