272. Garry Lineham "Human Garage": Fascia, Stored Trauma, C-Sections & Leann Rimes Release

23:24Gary Brecka:Yeah, a lot of people say that too. I wasn't abused as a child. I don't remember anything. I grew up in a, you know, I didn't have an alcoholic parent or abusive parent. You know, that's what I think what we think trauma is. Right. And in today's world, well, except for our kids, our kids are like, I got trauma from you saying that. Oh yeah, yeah. Triggered. Now, Gen Z, you're screwed. Yeah. You guys are soft. I'm just kidding. Just kidding. I got four of them, so I better be careful. So the idea of trauma from my point of view, and I'll just share what I found to be true for myself, is that you have an incident, something that happens, physical, emotional, perceptual.

24:01We know it doesn't really matter at this point. That can create a trauma stored in our system. So we got an incident. We got an emotion that's about it. Anger, fear, shame, guilt, sadness, something. And then we have a story that we talk about it. We tell ourselves. So think about it as a triangle. And currently in removing trauma, we go to a therapist to tell a story, try to tell a new story. And I do. But then all of a sudden I get somebody triggers my emotions and boof, I'm back to the old story. Or I go do emotional reset, yell and scream and punch things and I feel really good. But then also my body's in pain and my hormones go up.

24:42My brain starts to then start to tell a story again. So what we found is that we had to remove the memory of that in the body. So think about words that we use phonetically. like to remember. So memory, think of the body as a computer and the brain not as a computer, the brain as a processor, it runs programs. And if it can't figure out the program, it just keeps running. That's the circular thoughts. That's not an intelligent action. That's an unintelligent action. It keeps trying to figure it out, even if it can't forever and ever and ever. So then if the body is a computer, think about the word remember.

25:23remember if you're from a biological standpoint you dismember something you'd be cutting the body in pieces if you're to remember you're pulling the pieces back together and then perceiving them or looking at them so i i believe the memory is actually in the body it's a feeling that's associated with a feeling and then we tell ourselves a story about that feeling because somewhere along the line that could change and this is what happens when somebody has trauma like they were abused. Like I was sexually abused by parents. And somewhere around 53, I had an emotion come up while I was doing fascial work.

26:02And then I literally was able to tell myself a new story and a pattern that was in my system I didn't even know was there just changed. It was like my life changed. And we found that we have to have all three of those involved in removing a trauma. And what is a trauma? Again, it's really just an incident that's stressful that I can't resolve. The circle doesn't complete. And when the circle completes, the body seems to be the last one. That's why everybody's moving towards embodiment programs, right?

26:33Gary Brecka:Yeah, very true. And where did you gain this fundamental understanding on how to train people to release that themselves? Because again, what I'll give you credit for is you didn't put me in these positions. You had me put myself in these positions and I released it myself. There's a couple of things about that. So a practitioner has worked on tens and tens of thousands of people. What I know that if your body gets the relief from a movement, that's a chemical release in your body, like relief. Yeah. You're gonna get serotonin, oxytocin, dopamine's gonna go. I got it, yeah. Now, if you did it at my hand, you're always going to believe your nervous system that I did it.

27:20You're always going to seek and crave my hand to do it, which is very, very addictive. And it also creates a dependency between a practitioner and a patient. But if you are the one participating in it and I'm just assisting you, it changes the relationship in our nervous system. It seems to, that we have some hand in doing it. We're a part of it. It's like teaching somebody. I don't do it for them. I help them. I get them to do it or help them. So it's like teaching your body or your nervous system how to move through that. And then the belief is there. And if that belief is there, then you can go do it all by yourself.

27:59You don't need me.

28:00Gary Brecka:And what I will say is I've had plenty of adjustments too. And this was not like having a cervical spin maneuver or a low back, you know, spin maneuver, or even like a traction kind of adjustment. There was no cracking. There was no, there was zero pain. It actually felt kind of good. You know, that kind of stretching pain that actually has a little bit of pain, but it's like the good kind of pain, like, you know, when you're stretched out and then when you stop, you feel better. Exactly. That's what I would liken it to. Pain never went above a two, you know. But the relief was a 10. Yeah. Which I found, you know, fairly gentle intervention for a a pretty demonstrative outcome.

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29:57Gary Brecka:Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast. So in mechanics and performance, the least amount of input for the greatest result, and that's like, I look at things from system point of view. I'm very practical, driven, like an engineering mind. I didn't, I'm not an engineer by trade, but it doesn't mean I don't have the mind that works like that. The least amount of input for the highest gain is what the body wants, because the body wants to participate. And if I do too much, the body just goes, okay, you got it. I'm gonna go over and do something else. Yeah, so along this journey, I mean, I know that this has been a learning curve for you because you didn't step out and gain this knowledge.

30:39What was the thing that surprised you the most?

30:42Gary Brecka:What was that like Perry Mason moment? Well, it came out when we were in clinic, we were trying to, I was trying to figure out how to help myself. I was like literally in the shower one night in pain after working on people all day long, you know, 15 people a day. I'm not feeling good. I'm in the power and I'm heads down. I have my hands behind me. it's our movement called anti-gravity today. And I was trying to stretch out an area of my back. And at that moment I had, I was down in the shower and the water's trickling down on me. And I had like a psychedelic cathartic memory that wasn't really a memory.

31:22It was more like a witnessing or something. And, and I, I can't really explain it other than that moment is where I knew that the answer to my issue was not through the hands of somebody else. It was through my own hands. And that was the wake up. And then it turned into a couple of movements that we would give to people or pro athletes to help them. We found that if we could counter rotate, because you notice we're doing this, counter rotation. Counter rotation seemed to do this. And again, we didn't know why. And I have a belief about it today. And I'll tell you everything I'm telling you right now, I have a belief about it and I have a story about it, but I'm completely okay if everything I say to you today is bullshit.

32:05I hope not. Because in five, you know, every year I'm learning more every day. So in five years, we're going to look back at that and go, man, that was stupid. But it allows us to have a conversation about it. And so what it feels like is happening is that counter-rotated hugging yourself is actually a fetal position. And it looks like a fetal position. and yeah it seems that cells have memory we have a lot of science to say that and it seems like when we're in that position they they know how to reorganize themselves that's what it seems like

32:37Gary Brecka:yeah so you have these different positions for somebody that's watching this um maybe they think this sounds hokey but uh for somebody that's watching this what are some basic things that they could do to address their fascia or even address tight spots on their body? Because everybody watching has something, knee, hip, shoulder, rotator cuff, low back, cervical, something. Well, what we did for you is you don't start off with a problem. You start off with a globe, something global to decompress the pressure that's in the fascia. So what we've noticed is that pressure impedes performance, whether it's a muscle performance or nerve performance, any kind of performance if you have dysregulated pressure in an area it impedes that performance like your elbow swells up all of a sudden you can't move it um so fascial maneuvers in the global sense decompress the body they seem to move pressure around the body in a way that the body can recalibrate we have a 15 minute stress reset and and you can go do that in 15 minutes the first seven to 10 minutes of that 15 minutes, it drops no matter how you measure it, it drops 75 to 90 % of the stress in the human body.

33:51Wow. And you feel it because you felt it out there.

33:53Gary Brecka:I felt it immediately. But I'm not a high stress person, but... But the other version of not having the stress is the euphoria. With that, I definitely felt. Yeah. So more alertness. When I'm not stressed, I have more alertness, more command of my environment around me. and so what we found is that if we could get somebody instead of doing a whole practice and learning this and learning all the the different possible ways yeah and everything else start off with 15 minutes do a stress reset it resets your shoulders your hips your back your spine your neck your whole nervous system gets reset in that first for 15 minutes if that works for you do it again yeah the next day and if it works for you do it again and again and what we found is that when we you add just that into everybody's routine, things change very fast.

34:42And then if you want to go down a rabbit hole, there's all kinds of resets. So every body part you can imagine, every condition you can imagine. Like with Leanne, we were having her open up her vocal cords so she could sing easier. You know, all the way down to, all the way down to like, back when I worked with Tommy Armour, that one that you did earlier, it's called Swinger.

35:06Gary Brecka:It looked like I was about to swing a golf club, yeah. It was invented for me trying to help Tommy Armour, the golfer. Yeah. And so these are all things where you can go specific if you want, but we recommend that you start off globally, start off something very simple, something that you can repeat the action. So these are, by the way, can I put a link to this in the show notes? Sure. Okay. So everybody will get this for free and they'll be able to go through this 15 minute. Actually, that's something that we don't talk about all that often, but 95 % of everything we have is free. I don't take a salary.

35:41Gary Brecka:I read that about your philosophy. I don't take a salary. I don't own a home. I don't have credit cards. I don't have a driver's license. How do you get on an airplane? Oh, I use a passport. Ah. I have a passport and a birth certificate. And for me, I want to step outside. And the point about it was, is I found a solution and we are currently growing by about a million and a half people a month right now that are practicing. and it's growing like wildfire because what we ask in return for doing it free is to share it with other people. And that's why it's this worldwide phenomenon, the growth of it.

36:17It's because people are helping people and I think that comes back to, naturally people do want to help people. They just need a way to do it. And so, yes, almost everything and what we do is we sell some supplements. We have some guided programs that you can donate and our programs, most of the guided ones are pay where you feel right, pass a dollar, pass$250, pass a thousand dollars. And the idea is we believe in the, in the, the principle that the community will support the community. And, and because of that, I believe that's why we also have gotten a lot of good press because we're doing things that would truly help people.

36:54Gary Brecka:Yeah. And then when you decided that I'm just going to give this all away through this ripple effect, which I love because I started a media platform. It's very hard. I started my media platform with the sole intention of giving without the expectation of receipt. Right. And as soon as you package information or go to give something, you immediately have an expectation of receipt. That's been - There's always an ask. Yeah. It's like today, free costs us$500 ,000 a month. Hmm. So we have, we have like 70 people. We've got thousands of volunteers all around the world. We've been on a world tour.

37:28We did in the last two years, since I even saw you, I haven't been home. and we've done 13 countries, 36 cities, 85 events between 500 and 10 ,000 people. And we were out there on this mission just to get it out there. And the reason why it was free is because I spent millions and millions and millions of dollars trying to solve my own issue. And when I could solve it myself, I was just angry at the system that was teaching me that I needed somebody else. So at the time, I'm like, no, I'm going to make it free to everybody. but we had to learn along the way how to how to balance that how to receive as well and so that's

38:06Gary Brecka:been part of the journey is yeah i'm going to try this 15 minute uh reset because what you did for me in five or ten minutes had such a profound impact in a short period of time what would be astounding is if this was a mechanism to de-stress the body to help people go from that sympathetic fight or flight state into that parasympathetic rest and digest state because there is clear evidence, very clear evidence that when you are stuck in that sympathetic state, that fight or flight state, which the vast majority of us spend way too much time, our autonomic nervous system spends too much time in that state.

38:41Gary Brecka:When you're stuck there, chronic stress, poor sleep, poor diet, you know, overworked, just too much on your plate, too type A, if you want to say that, this has direct impact on our immune system it has a direct impact on our emotion and our emotional intelligence meaning how well we're able to regulate how we react to things other people's actions and our mood amongst a whole host of other things and you know i use breathwork morning morning light grounding um you know in some of the biohacking modalities but breathwork sunlight grounding those are same thing daily stables for me for me hydrogen sun red light or sunlight um i love that yeah hydrogen hydrogen bathing yeah i have a hydrogen bath in my yeah yeah i carry a machine around when i travel you do and yeah red light i carry the hydrogen tablets i use every day and that's the inhalation machine that right yeah it stops protein folding issues in the body.

39:46Gary Brecka:And it's a structured water kind of mist. It is, but it literally reorganizes the proteins inside the cell. So it's way more powerful than it looks or they say. So I believe in things that impact us like you do, environment, water, light, sound. And I incorporate those with our team daily. Those are just things that are just a part of how we live our life today. Yeah, I mean, those are what I call passive biohacks, right? If you upgrade your lighting, your water, your mattress, your air filtration, those are things that you do once and then they kind of serve you without taking more time from your day.

40:26Yes, absolutely.

40:26Gary Brecka:Everything else that I do, hyperbarics, red light, sauna, those all, you've got to find time in your day to fit those in. Sure. But what is amazing, and I talk about this all the time, is nothing makes me feel better than putting on a weighted vest with my wife and going for like a three and a half mile loop in the mountains in my, through this woods and over these rocks that my wife and I do in Colorado at about 10 ,000 feet. Every time I get back, I just feel like, I don't know, I've had this spiritual awakening or took a limitless bill. Sure. Or the lights are just on and I'm in a good mood and I don't feel this impetus to immediately do something.

41:06Gary Brecka:As soon as I land back in Miami, it's like that fire lights again. And, you know, it's like the productivity you know demand kicks kicks back in and i think people can benefit so much by just drawing their attention uh and making a part of their daily routine things that can alleviate that stress and maybe shift them out of that parasympathetic state yeah and you you do breath work so the the difference is is think about this as intention breath work movement all in one simple, quick movement. And in order to get people to adopt it, it had to be quick and simple. And you don't have to even do the whole 15 minutes.

41:49You do one of the movements, like you did the very first one and all of a sudden, whoa, I feel it. So if you only had three minutes and you did that in between your appointments, you would infinitely be better at the end of the day because stress, as you know, is accumulative. Yes. and our body accumulates the stress and then over a period of time, that 28 day cycle, what we found is the stress habit cycle is 28 days. And we have a 28 day reset where we take people through online and we get them to do a little bit each day. And on the 28th day, everybody has a cathartic drop because they disrupt that habit cycle because we get stressed throughout the day, then we go to sleep to remove it.

42:30And the body constantly saves the energy for that stress. Like we didn't give you any energy tablets or anything, but you had more energy after that.

42:40Gary Brecka:Right. That means that you're, what I believe is that we took away restriction in your fascia. Your body says, oh, I need less energy to move, think, walk, talk, breathe. So I'm going to give you that energy back in the form of an enhancement. That's what it appears to be doing. You know, I'm all about optimizing performance. And lately I've been using the ion weighted vest during my workouts and it's been a game changer. It isn't your average weighted vest. It's designed to fit like a second skin, activating your core, improving blood flow, and even helping you with recovery while you train. What I love most is that the weight is perfectly distributed.

43:15Gary Brecka:It doesn't pull on your shoulders or throw off your alignment. Whether I'm doing strength training or cardio or just taking a walk, I'm burning more calories, building muscle, and pushing my endurance even further. If you're serious about leveling up your training and unlocking your full potential, check out the ion weighted vest at iongear.com that's a i o n gear.com and you can use code ultimate for 10 off and start training smarter today now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast yeah and i think that low level chronic stress is one of the most debilitating things to our cellular biology absolutely like so we have all of the people doing everything right this is a very common thing i'm i'm taking all the supplements eating all the food doing all the things right me i'm one of those and but you're going but you are accelerating your health and some people are coming up against a wall and say i'm doing everything right but i still don't feel good in my body you know i measure okay but i don't feel good i don't feel emotionally good because one of the things you felt is euphoric felt emotionally different that i believe comes through um this this method of taking stress out because a normal stretch creates a stress spike in the body right and when adrenaline hits when adrenaline norepinephrine hit your blood it takes four hours for that to abate or to go right when you do a fascial maneuver there's no stretching and the reason why is stretching of a muscle threatens a joint so your body is whoa wait a second here am i okay and a maneuver doesn't actually stretch or create a threat to the body so it relaxes rather than stress spikes and relaxes and that's why i believe i mean we've done lots of our own anecdotal science on this and at some point we'll publish but but that's why i believe it works yeah well it does inherently make a lot of sense um you know that you know fascia that's connecting everything um which is also a communication system when it gets folded incorrectly or it gets stressed um or it gets too tight that there's some kind of communication pathway that's interrupted there it's like when i first started learning about the oral cavity and and i had a biologic dentist map all these routes from the brain into the body it made perfect sense why yes different anomalies in the teeth could affect things in the body and there's an emotional consequent with each one of those yeah so in your journey what would have been like some of the most profound stories leon rimes was the big one i mean we we have a lot of them documented but i i love to focus on the children the um wait i had i had one a doctor brought a child to us um for our reality tv series called behind the reel that's coming out soon and we she had been her had the child had had this extreme sugar regulation issue and extreme and there was couldn't regulate their blood sugar yeah and they were given medication that made the kid hairy and and he looked like a werewolf almost and um and what happened he had there's trauma in the birth so we had that as we were talking about the c-section we removed the pressure in the frontal cranial bone through the practitioner version of these fascial maneuvers and his blood sugar stabilized and has never come back so things like that we have a lot of people that have parkinson's that were shaking and all of a sudden walking better and not shaking anymore.

46:46And those are all like on videos, but the ones that really turn me are the ones that are the children, because you think about it, they're going into a system where they're told that there's no answers. And, you know, a kid with a scoliosis and you can look on our YouTube, you could see me reversing a scoliosis up to 22 degrees in one hour. Wow. And so we do that live in stream because no one would believe you if I told you. Right. So there's things like that that seem unreal, but it's unreal because of the way that we look at the human body. I look at the body differently. I have a different belief system.

47:24And these things are all compartments of that. But it's the children. You impact a child's life. And I think every time, if I had that when I was 13, when I went into physical trauma, then what would my life be like today?

47:39Gary Brecka:this is almost like a way that you can micro release trauma on a daily basis so it doesn't become cumulative that's what happens that's what we're that's why that's why our 28 day reset yeah it's so powerful because people within the 28 days they'll come out of that and they go it's like i went on a like a psychedelic experience i went to a shaman yeah but they did it by themselves at home and we you know we we also want people to hear this is that if you can't there are a lot of times you can't get supplements like the ones that i gave you earlier but if you you just have minerals. You have silica, what we found to be deficient in everybody through thousands of hair follicle tests.

48:16And the 102 minerals, and you move your body like fascially, things get better no matter what it is. So in other words, it's within the reach of everybody. And if you have the ability to buy more, do more, you can. Like the supplement I gave you earlier. Yeah, that felt great. It's unbelievable. And what it does is it takes out inflammation of the fascial tissue specifically. And what's in it? It's the third curcuminoid called bisdemoxicurcumin, which appears in nature, like an ORAC rating on curcumin is 9 ,500. On this product, clinically patented and clinically trialed, it's 500 ,000. And so what we do is take the active ingredient, bisdemoxicurcumin, we push it back into the supplement.

49:01So chemically copy it, put it back into the natural source of it, which is curcumin. so there's no side effect because the body doesn't see it as something different and it's at 30 % and then we put a little bdnf in there and it instantaneously pops up your brain and your body's ability to perceive like like the athletes like like novak when he gave to me he said i could feel

49:22Gary Brecka:my edges so my field right um i want to go back to the c-section discussion for a second because we had a really interesting discussion at lunch today before we came on the podcast and you were talking about some of the reversible detriments of C-section, you know, that 38 % of children are born to C-section, but only 8 % of those are actually medically required. In America and some countries, it's like 50 to 60%. Wow. And I don't want to, you know, boo-boo any OBGYNs. I mean, a lot of C-sections may be medically necessary, but doing them for scheduling purposes - 8 % are medically necessary. Medically necessary.

50:0538 % in the United States up to 50 and 60 % in some countries. So it doesn't really matter why. There's a rabbit hole of why we do them, placenta, and the value of the placenta. It changes its value and how there's less bacterial overload. It's cleaner when it comes from a C-section, surgically removed. So the placenta is worth more.

50:29Gary Brecka:Right. That's one thing. Right. But without going down the rabbit holes of that, we know about things like the microbiome and all these things have been talked about. But the mechanics of it is when the head goes through the birth canal that cones and naturally the baby head cones and then settles. That allows the nine cranial bones, the sutures in between it allows them to sit properly so that they move. Our bones are all supposed to move like our cranial bones to respirate. but what we've noticed in a c-section is the frontal bone when you take a look at it from a side there's a slight slope to it and when we do the c-section release like on a kid that slope automatically changes its architecture and they have this euphoric experience usually a lot of crying at first but especially with kids there's a there's a trauma release and an increase of blood flow to the frontal lobe which is measurable and anybody wants to do it they can and there's lots of people that are already doing this there are doctors so this is what's really important is that if that baby doesn't go through the birth canal the mechanics of it is that adhesion in that cranial suture and then the lack of blood flow which leads to or shows things that we've observed that people that have C-section have higher incidence of ADHD they have anxiety depression uh eating disorders digestive disorders hormone regulation and you don't really correlate those back to lack of oxygen in the prefrontal cortex you correlate them to all sorts of other things so we end up going down a rabbit hole that doesn't have a solution yeah and if you're if your cranium's compressed oxygen has to flow through tissue and it's like anything if i squeeze your arm eventually less oxygen goes there you can see it'll start turning colors.

52:21Well, if our cranial bones can't move properly, less oxygen is going to move through the head.

52:27Gary Brecka:Even after those sutures in the skull are fused, you can still manipulate them in open space in the prefrontal cortex area? Yeah, so what we found, I mean, if you go on through our social media and you see the hundreds of thousands of before and after photos, you'll see a change in the height of everybody. My wife got a half inch taller today. Yeah, yeah. And you could see the change in her face. I saw it just by correcting her lordotic and kyphotic curves, I imagine. And it corrected her structural alignment, T-symmetry, her face, the shape of her forehead changed, all of that. So what the experience of that, what we've noticed experience is increased perception, increased lack of stress going down.

53:12Emotions seem to be calmer, more regulated right away. And she noticed that immediately. She did. Yeah.

53:18Gary Brecka:And I saw the, uh, side-by-side pictures. We'll put Sage up there. I always throw poor Sage under the bus. Every podcast, I'm like throwing my wife under the bus. Yeah. Cause it's, it's significant. And that happened in 30 minutes. Yeah. Um, I'm going to throw this before and afters on there. Cause I think, I think it's important to talk about. Um, so for my audience that, um, wants to find out more about you, where do they find you? I think the best place to start today is if you want to do something go to our website humongarage.net or just type in humongarage anywhere we're on most social platforms we have almost every social platform we got kicked off TikTok how did you get kicked off?

54:03you pissed off the Chinese? I don't know we were talking about a certain set of minerals that we found to be deficient that were impacting everybody from chemicals in the sky and ah there you go and we uh so it's silica and oh yeah and and aluminum yeah yeah there's there's plenty of them up there so we don't know how we were sharing the the solution for it and they took away 1.7 million people like that no warning so but yeah any other i've had that happen

54:32Gary Brecka:for peptides i've had it happen for quite a number of things yeah so they they can go there that's a good place to start and if they're if they they want to try it out um of course most of it's free go to our YouTube and try a 15 minute stress reset. Really just go try that out. And if it works good for you, do it for three days. And if at three days it works, do it for seven days. The three day mark and the seven day mark are cathartic in the way that people experience it. Because when you take stress out of your body for a three day perception cycle or a seven day cycle, it resets the nervous system.

55:05It seems to do something that like permanently gives you a new belief in your own body is the best way to describe it.

55:13Gary Brecka:That's great. All right, well, we're about to go into my VIP room because my VIPs are waiting for you. They got a lot of questions for you. Before you came on the podcast, I let them know you were coming on. So they've got some really introspective questions for you. But I wind down all my podcasts by asking all my guests the same question. And there's no right or wrong answer to this question. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? Ultimate human, it's to be balanced between my thoughts, my emotions, and my actions. Because when I'm balanced between my thoughts, my emotions, and my actions, I show up in my best form, whether it's physically, emotionally, or perceptionally.

55:51I show up better as a father. I show up better as a husband. I show up better as a practitioner or helper or teacher. So that's really what being an ultimate human is to me.

56:02Gary Brecka:I love that. The ultimate human is in, I mean, the human garage is in the ultimate human today. I love it. Guys, I hope you enjoyed the podcast. VIPs, we're coming for you. And until next time, that's just science.