294. Dr. Deep Sea: Hyperbaric Chamber Benefits Nobody Explains Correctly

21:09Gary Brecka:That's how it's medical gas. Interestingly enough, oxygen says right on it, if you read on the side of it, on the side of the bottle, colorless, odorless, non-flammable gas. Yeah. Oxygen's not flammable. It's an accelerant. It'll accelerate the flammability of anything that it gets in touch with, but it is non-flammable. So the oxygen itself won't burn. Okay. That's just an interesting tidbit of information. It's just providing the resources for something that is burning. It's the third part of the fire triangle, right? Right. So it's like heat, fuel, oxygen. If you don't have any of those three, you're not going to burn anything.

21:45When you have more oxygen, you're going to burn it more better. And higher and hotter.

21:49Gary Brecka:Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So if you're going to increase the oxygen saturation, other than using ambient compressed air, right? Ambient compressed air, probably the safest. Just fine. Just in a chamber that's not a dead chamber, that's circulating air, your two atmospheres, you're getting enough of a benefit if you're a longevity, not like I am, and you want to be doing hyperbarics for longevity, safe in up to two atmospheres, just using regular compressed gases. Yeah, regular compressed air. It's called scuba diving. Yeah, am I missing anything? Like, I feel like I'm cheating myself by not adding the oxygen.

22:28Gary Brecka:Am I gonna? No, it's what mechanism of action do you want at play? Hyper oxygenation is one of them. Add the oxygen in the safe way, right? You gotta do it safely. A sealed rebreather. Yeah, some sort of a rebreather, recirculator. We call it a bibs mask in a hyperbaric chamber, built-in breathing system. I just ate that bibs mask, man. You gotta have that kind of a thing. Yeah. for 90 minutes, I'm like, get this thing off my face. Yeah. You know? I don't know. I love that feeling because it gives me that. So when I breathe in, what do I want? I really want all the oxygen, right? I don't want the 15 % increase with the nasal cannula, right?

23:03I don't want the non-rebreather mask with this silly little bag doing this. And then where does all that exhaled oxygen go? Right into the hyperbaric chamber, which is only designed for air, not oxygen. So just, you know. Ah. Yeah. So you don't want your exhaled oxygen-filled gas touching any of the stuff in the chamber. I mean, it could be really dangerous, right? Right.

23:26Gary Brecka:So now, so you can use a chamber that's just circulating in the air, 1.5, two atmospheres, safe. Or use a rebreather if you want to increase the oxygen concentration. The ones that I, until this recent accident, heard that really exploded were the ones that had 100 % O2. there was a terrible story of the young kid i think he wasn't grounded and he wasn't grounded or something horrible and uh unfortunately when you're in this business and you see these things you can't unsee that video yeah that is a horrible nightmare right of we knew the answer right and most of these rules they're really written in blood right because oh why do we ground people because stupid things like that happen right when you don't ground people so it's like i didn't know oh you knew come on everybody knew so right yeah it's unfortunate but yeah so where do you see the future of uh biohacking slash recreational hyperbarics going um if you know this this adoption of hyperbarics seems to be going parabolic i think that there is a paucity of information out there.

24:40I would consider myself, you know, very much among the know.

24:46Gary Brecka:And I'm not even aware of some of these safety risks. This is why I'm excited to do this podcast, because just laying it out there hopefully will help a lot of people use these in the proper way. They're not toys. And you should be lauded for that. Trust me, because the people that are out there that are just kind of faking it till you make it, this is not the thing. So thank you, thank you, thank Thank you for going, hey, listen, I wanna learn a little bit on this. Yeah. Please and thank you. I really do. I mean, I wanna do it right. I mean, obviously I'd love to be in there with my red light mask and my - Right.

25:16Gary Brecka:My hydrogen running an NADIV, you know, on my PMF mask. Just kidding. But now we know that, listen, they're phenomenal tools. They are about to have some incredible science around longevity and aging, which I think is phenomenal. And not just around even the 13 indications. And if people use them safely, they can get long-term use and long-term benefit out of them. And I mean, that's the objective, right? It's the same with like red light therapy, with cold plunging, with all of these things. More is not better. Colder and longer is not better. Longer in a red light bed, higher milliwatts of irradiance.

26:00Gary Brecka:You know, there's therapeutic ranges that the body responds to and just get that dose and move on. You know, get your benefit and move on. And I, you know, I have that sort of inclination to that if some is good, more is better. Yeah. Right. So I want to resist that, especially when it comes to hyperbarics. You say more is better. And it's just a funny, funny joke. Cause I treat a bunch of military guys, right? And these guys come in and they're like, I can do five minutes. I can do seven minutes. I can do 12 minutes. I can do 50. These kids were up to 18 minutes in the ice bath. And I'm like, and we do 32 degrees, right?

26:35And I'm like, that's it. You're done. Nobody can go over five minutes.

26:39Gary Brecka:You're done. By the way, after that, the hormetic stress is over. Exactly. Right. And they're out, they're like. Yeah. And that's not good. You know, I mean, I saw a video on someone on Instagram a few months ago. I actually, I won't say who it was, but I messaged him privately and said, hey, you should take that down. but what he did was he took a snorkel went underwater in 35 degree water for 12 minutes and was just breathing through a snorkel and and then put it on social media I'm like man your brain is this far inside the surface of your skull yeah it's not good to bake it it's not good to fry it not good to bake it why do you think they wear hats inside the sauna for crying out loud come on I do the same thing so again the more is not not better so soft chamber is great hard chambers.

27:26It works. I mean, is it great? Is it going to cure your, you know, your aseptic bone necrosis? Nope. Soft chamber will not do that. But can it help you double your stem cells? Yes, we have the science behind that. Can it help you fix, heal better? Yeah, it can, you know, but we don't have a lot of detail in there. But yeah, you know, we got to get more science.

27:45Gary Brecka:One of the interesting things that I seem to be swaying towards too is how it, it's almost like a sleep mimetic because like during the deep phases of sleep when the glymphatic system is draining and you're getting you're eliminating waste from the brain cytokines histamines through these glymphatic channels that are that are opening during deep sleep similar physiology is going on with hyperbarics right with oxygen perfusion into tissues um i'm not saying it's a replacement yeah i know we're we're increasing the metabolism in the human body right so we're up upping the metabolism which makes you more tired which you know so like you wanted to go to the I don't know if it's this time, but, you know, talking about the underwater stay, right?

28:26When I stayed underwater, first of all, in the first 25 days, I lost 22 pounds. You lost 22 pounds. 22 pounds. So my medical team said - Metabolism was just - Because my metabolism was through the roof. My medical team said, that's it, you're done. Now you're up to, you know, 1.75 milligrams per kilogram body weight of protein. We got to double it. You cannot waste a weight of nothing. That's not going to work here, right? So, you know, that kind of stuff. but we talked about, you talk about deep and REM sleep. Normally a human sleeps between 30 and 33 % in deep and REM. Underwater, 60 to 66 % in deep and REM.

29:01Gary Brecka:Wow. Every single person that came down with an Apple Watch or an Aura Ring or a Fitbit or whatever the heck they had, they all correlated almost exactly, 50 to 60. So people would come stay with you. Yeah, I had a couple of people come and stay. How big was this thing? It wasn't as big as your studio. No way. No, no. Were you just going out of your mind after 100 days? No. It's like a bedroom. I will tell you. So it was maybe this wide and maybe 17 feet long worth of usable space. And then there was another side to it, exactly the same. And then a wet pod in between that you had to duck down in.

29:39I can get you pictures of it.

29:41Gary Brecka:Where people could come and duck and come in. Yeah, you come in and you're getting – it's your wet room, if you will. Okay. Where you shower, where you go to the bathroom. Yeah. That kind of stuff. Okay, so deep and REM phases of sleep, because obviously you're sleeping there. Double. Wow. So 70 million Americans alone have sleep issues, right? Hmm. And I doubled my deep and REM. So then what else happened, right? So this is how we don't know where the results, what happened and how the results got so good, right? Was it the sleep that healed me better, faster? was it the sleep that made me cognitively 13%, you know, 13 % better connectivity and a 5 % reduction in phase lag.

30:23Gary Brecka:I mean, holy mackerel. And were you doing like QEEGs? Yeah, I was doing EEGs every other day. Now, if you've not set up your own EEG, your new EEG, beautiful, brilliant. Thank you. Mine, it was like four hours of your life that you'll never get back. Sticking them on the head kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. Trying to get the thing to work, you know, I'm trying to push, it's crazy. Yeah. So, but you know, we did those and the quantifiable data is there. Now, EEGs are, they're okay, they're good, but you know, they're not perfect, right? You know, we're looking for the perfect telltale how to read inside the brain, but you know, it's the one thing that we don't even open up, you know?

31:03Gary Brecka:Yeah, but you had an increase in telomere length. You also had a 71 % decrease in cholesterol. Yeah, I had a pretty substantial decrease in cholesterol. So I don't remember if it was 71. If that was the solution for lipo little a, that would be great, right? So the cholesterol drop, everybody's like, well, it's because you weren't drinking alcohol and you drink alcohol and stuff. And I says, no, that's not true. They're like, what? I'm like, well, I'm a scientist, right? So like, you have to treat yourself how you do before, how you do during and how you do afterwards. So, you know, I had a drop.

31:34I'm just saying, I'm not saying alcohol.

31:35Gary Brecka:I wonder what the hell you do with all your time down. I'd be drinking Joe and I don't even drink. No, so it wasn't like that. We were really doing science. I mean, literally, while I was underwater, I'd wake up every morning at 5 o 'clock, and I used to drink coffee. Like I told you, I don't drink coffee anymore, but two, three cups of coffee would be my staple. And then, you know, protein in the morning, protein in the afternoon with salad, and then protein at dinner with something green vegetable of some sort, right? That's just the way I eat, right? So that's the way I eat on the surface. That's the way I eat underwater, right?

32:03Same stuff. Occasionally, I have a drink. Occasionally, I have a drink. I'm not saying that I did, but, you know, boss, don't yell at me.

32:11Gary Brecka:But you make it into the study design, but that's okay. Right. So, you know, but I would work then, you know, those are just the meals. I would work probably about six or eight hours, you know, doing my science, you know, blood, urine, saliva, electrocardiograms, electroencephalograms, pulmonary function tests. I mean, we did all this great science while we were down there and pretty much every day. And then, you know, I do three hours worth of interviews a day. And then, you know, towards the end, I was doing like CNN, ABC, CBS, Fox, right? So it was, oh my God. Once you had broken the Guinness Book of World Records record and you were still down there and then it became big news.

32:47I mean, Neil Cavuto came on board and told everybody in the world that my mother is a certain age. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You said my mother's age. She's 49 as far as I'm concerned.

32:59Gary Brecka:That's great. And so when you got out and analyzed the data, what are you attributing this to? This prolonged hormetic stress? Because part of me says that when you provide too much oxygen or too little oxygen, the body becomes adaptive. Yep. Right? So did you adapt to the increased oxygen saturation? and then when you got back to sea level, feel like a tree slug? Absolutely, right? So I adapted. You know, I go in, I run really hot on the hemoglobin, right? So I'm like in the 15, 16 range, right? Okay, you're doing regular. When I came out of the water, oh yeah. Therapeutic phlebotomy. Yeah, okay.

33:44So when I came out of the water, I was in the 13s. Why? Because you're in an increased partial pressure of oxygen, thereby decreasing the need for hemoglobin so your body stops making it. So after a hundred days, I was a little sluggish. It was, but then when I came out, you know, a couple of weeks later, I checked blood and I was like, oh, right back up.

34:03Gary Brecka:Body came right back. Yeah, you know, you gotta be able to bounce. So can we live underwater long-term? Probably not, but can it be good for you? Can it be helpful? Look, hyper means more than, baric means pressure. That's it. You just increase the pressure, you get that benefit. How much or how little, that's what you gotta figure out, right? And it's not more is better, right? Like you said. And thank you for saying that because too many people just believe, oh, more is better. I'll just go to three. But these go to 11. I'm like, no. Right, right, right, right. Listen, there's what I share on this podcast and then there's what I share with my inner circle.

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35:45Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast.

35:47Gary Brecka:You know, when we talk about the research you're doing on TBI, which I want to come back to and touch in for a second, I want to go back to the XPRIZE because there are these machines now that create intermittent hypoxia. Yeah. So oxygen excess followed by oxygen deprivation. And there seems to be some real benefits. I've seen clinical outcomes where it's increasing VO2 max. And a lot of these are increasing VO2 max at rest. which I find really fascinating because VO2 max training is usually, you know, zone two, four by fours, all of the traditional mechanisms of increasing VO2 max. So this hormetic stress applied, you know, intermittently, oxygen excess, oxygen deprivation, seems to be having a very positive effect on the mitochondria.

36:42Gary Brecka:Maybe even increasing mitochondrial density or mitochondrial proliferation which to me would be the hallmark of age reversal. Right. Because that's what's happening. So if there was a really great way, I'm working with a company right now trying to figure out a good way to test mitochondrial stress and mitochondrial density right now, right? But this group is kind of coming through this at this point, but that stuff's in its infancy at this point, right? Yeah. So, but yeah, mitogenesis is one of the known mechanisms of action of hyperbaric oxygen, right? So, oh. New mitochondria. Yeah, I mean, I'm making it more better, right?

37:19This isn't rocket science. We just know the mechanism of action and we try and apply it, right? So, you know, when you're looking in the hypoxic state, oxygen deprivation, what we're doing is an altitude chamber. So you made the comment earlier about, you know, people in the long living zones being in the higher altitudes. Why? Better mitochondria. The mitochondria are working harder.

37:40Gary Brecka:I didn't even think about it. You know, this is going back a long time. You know, I was in the mortality. science space for years when I didn't really understand what mitochondria was. We just saw these observations. And, you know, increased life expectancy as you approximated the equator. Obviously relates to sunlight. Decreased life expectancy as you approximated the poles. And these are broad, you know, big data terms. but also that altitude correlated to extended lifespan. Yeah. And at the time, I just surmised that the oxygen intake was similar or matched more with the oxygen expiration, you know, so that the use of the gas was more even because we knew that an oxygen singlet, an oxidative stress can be oxygen and a single oxygen molecule trapped in this phospholipid bilayer can cause oxidative stress.

38:49Gary Brecka:So if you were somehow to match the intake of oxygen with the outflow of oxygen, seems like that would correlate to longevity. That was a very basic view. So just so you know. No, that's great. I mean, it's a decent first spot, right? Yeah, it was a first stab. But what you're saying is there is probably increased mitochondrial efficiency. Like these people are using oxygen more effectively. There's less of it. The body adapts probably by mitogenesis. Well, you know, when you increase your VO2, you are effectively, not effectively, you are using oxygen better, right? You're using it better. And that's why, so this is the thing I liked about Arizona State University and Team Healthspan and with the rules for the XPRIZE.

39:29The rules for the XPRIZE were not telomere length, right? Cause it's like, oh yeah, you're living longer. No, that's not it, right? Telomeres, yes, they will help you to live longer. You need those. However, comma, grip strength, right? VO2 max, right? We're gonna test all this data and that is required by the XPRIZE. So when they say health span, they really mean it, right? Because people go to the gym, when they're older, they're better. Muscle's gonna help you with everything. I don't care what your problem is. What you come across, you need more muscle. I don't know what it is, but you need muscle.

40:00So balance, walking, you fall and you break a hip, that's the curse, right? You need that balance.

40:07Gary Brecka:Yeah, I'm seeing in my parents right now. I've been very vocal about that. In fact, you just walked by my mom getting her QEEG. She's adorable. Transcranial red light. She's great. You know, I'm throwing the book at it. You know, I've got, you know, one of my parents' mind is great and body is failing and the other one body is great and mind is failing. And I think people find themselves in one of those two places. But, you know, I want to fight it incessantly because of what I do for a living, and I feel like I still have some control over this. And I'm a big believer in the trans-cranial red light and getting these cute EEGs to see where the active areas of the brain are.

40:47Gary Brecka:I will tell you lithium orotate, keto diet, controlling her glycemic profile, getting her moving, hyperbarics, have had a profound impact on this journey. Mood, stability, even the frailty aspect has improved in the last few months, being less frail, more robust, more conversational, easier to engage, better short-term recall. This is all anecdotal. Just an N of one with my mom. But hyperbarics has been a part of that journey. Huge, right? So my mother's 49, right? Been 49 for a minute or two, right? But my mother goes to the gym every morning. My mother drinks a gallon of water a day. My mother, you know, works out hard, you know, works hard, gets out there, does brain games, does hyperbarics, right?

41:42She's like, oh, my son's a hyperbaric guy, so I got to do hyperbarics, right? Wherever she goes, she just goes and does hyperbarics because she's a true believer. You know, even when she had some surgery, she had some desurgery and they were like, oh, wow, you're healing really well. Well, that's because I'm in hyperbarics. The guy's like, what?

41:57Gary Brecka:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so a pain threshold for them now too. And I've used it, clients of mine, for post-surgical recovery, for athletic performance. And in short bursts, it doesn't seem like you're creating kind of dependency, not 100 days underwater, but once a day, five days a week, two days off. But again, back to the XPRIZE, when you're now doing intermittent hypoxia in combination with pressure, you're not varying the pressure, you're only varying the oxygen, right? No, I'm actually pulling you to, I can go up to 29 ,000 feet in my hyperbaric, my hypobaric chamber, right? Okay. So when I evacuate the air, I'm giving you that true hormetic stress, just like if you were at altitude.

42:44Gary Brecka:Ah, so you're not just simulating oxygen saturation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're simulating barometric pressure, like - I'm changing the barometric pressure for sure. Like, so what we did is we, so look, you fly in airplanes, and this is the problem. You got to get things through institutional review boards and they move at a speed faster than glacial, right? And I'm just like trying to convince them that it's okay to go to 10 ,000 feet, to go to 8 ,000 feet. And they're like, you're going to kill all the old people because everybody has to be over 55 and less than 75, right? Okay, great. But everybody flies on an airplane and nobody checks your age before you fly on an airplane.

43:20And every cabin is pressurized to about 8 ,000 feet. Everybody goes to Colorado to go skiing once a year. but you know, 10 ,000 feet, 12 ,000 feet, nothing. And you hike, right? Like when I ski, I go out of bounds. I hike up to the top and then it's, right? Cause why? Cause it's fun, right? Yeah. But that's what we needed. And that's what we wanted to do. When we simulated those altitudes and then pushed that hormetic stressor and then dropped you into hyperbarics.

43:48Gary Brecka:This is, bam. And then we did ice bath and red light therapy and, you know, beamer mat. So we did a whole novel combination where we have the key. We have literally the click, right? Here it is. It's right here. This is exactly what you should do. Science proven, you know. Protocol. Yeah. And so it's, if I recall, it was 10 minutes of hypoxia followed by an hour of hyperoxia. Yes, sir. So oxygen deprivation initially. Yep. So that deprivation. so then you definitely run out of two atmospheres when you deprive them of oxygen. You were way... Yeah, you were at 8 ,000 to 10 ,000 feet, I think was the protocol.

44:32Gary Brecka:Okay, so 8 ,000 to 10 ,000 feet. Yeah. Then you bring them back down to what atmosphere? To two atmospheres. To two atmospheres, double the atmospheric pressure. Yep. And then increase the oxygen saturation. Exactly. Wow. Okay. Right? So 10 minutes deprived, 90 minutes off. If I had my druthers, it would be more like a half hour because I'm working with this girl who's on the... What are you using, like a pulse ox or something to make sure they're - Exactly. We pulse ox monitor them the entire time. We're watching them. You know, you have attendants that have to be there. They have to be trained.

45:02They have to know what they're doing, right? So when you're doing research - It's a controlled environment. Yeah, it's a very controlled environment, right? So we're checking people. If I had my druthers, I would take you to probably 12 ,000 feet, and I would have you work out inside the hypo-baric chamber. We don't work out inside a hyper-baric chamber because bad things can happen with heat and movement and bearings and stuff like that and batteries and blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. So everything's got to be right in the hyperbaric chamber. In the hypobaric chamber, all bets are off, right?

45:31Because there's no risk of fire because there's less oxygen. It's even less of a risk of fire on the surface. Not that you can smoke, but you know, it's not a thing. It wouldn't even, your cigarette wouldn't even light it, you know, 16 ,000 feet, you know? So, but yeah, I've never

45:47Gary Brecka:seen somebody smoking on Everest. Right. Yeah, exactly. And then if you're working out, what are you doing? Look, what we're trying to do at altitude is a lot of things, that hormetic stress response, the increasing the number of hemoglobin response. I mean, that is your mammalian reflex, right? When I pull oxygen from you, you make more hemoglobin, right? That makes perfect sense. Why do you think the Dallas Cowboys go to Colorado to train? right because they live at five six seven ten thousand feet and then they come down and they play because they're now full of red blood cells now they're ready to of course right that increases your blood doping it's legal blood doping thank you yeah it's legal blood doping and so the what you're seeing then and and to and i won't give any stats because maybe i shouldn't put those out there before the study is published um but this extension of health span and lifespan oh yeah that you're seeing, and we won't give it a number.

46:42Gary Brecka:This extension of health span and lifespan that you're seeing, do you believe that that is coming from the increased efficiency in the mitochondria, in mitogenesis, the production of new mitochondria? Are you making the existing ones more efficient? Are they producing more ATP? Like what mechanistically do you surmise is happening by depriving the body of oxygen? Because I'm really fascinated by this because I have a hyperbaric chamber. I have an HBO tech out in Colorado. Yeah. My house is at 10 ,500 feet. Oh, yeah. So I have a naturally hypoxic. I love it. Yeah. So I have a gym upstairs and working out there is very humbling because I do these high rock style workouts here with my son.

47:28Gary Brecka:And then I try to repeat the workout when I'm up there. And I'm like, good Lord. You're like, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. So I do a modified style of workout there. And then I go down and get in the hyperbaric and I do have a sealed mask, a recirculating mask. Let me tell you something. When I get out of that thing, I feel like I can solve some complex math equations. My PhD student and I just finished a paper on is hyperbaric oxygen a performance enhancing drug? Dude, I am telling you, another N of one, it is absolutely performance enhancing. When I get out of there, I am calm, focused, centered, clear, awake.

48:09Gary Brecka:i i actually want to challenge my like i actually feel like going back upstairs and working out again oh yeah you know um but i also feel like i can solve complex problems and i'm in that parasympathetic state oh yeah of almost zen like yeah yeah i love that i i love that too and it's hard to describe i get the same thing when i talk about this a lot too just putting on a rucksack one of those little ion i'm wearing one now this weighted vest i have a one that i use for working out and i have this little three and a half mile loop through the woods 10 500 feet come back i drop that thing on the deck and i'm like i feel like i found the messiah like yeah i feel amazing got millions of dollars of equipment in this in this unit nothing makes me feel better than that yeah um so what is happening by in in your opinion by flicking this switch between hypoxia and hyperoxia under pressure.

49:09Gary Brecka:Yeah. Because that's the key. What we think, and this is pure supposition, we don't know anything. We think we're increasing mitochondrial efficiency, right? I think we are. I don't even want to say we, because even the other researchers, you know, you see me, but there are 12 other researchers on this team and there are great scientific minds on this team, right? So not just me, I mean, not that I'm a scientific mind at all, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah. This team is well put together and perfect for what we needed. But all these hormetic stressors put together, all that stress that you want to put on your body when you go to the gym, when you go to the ice bath, when you go to the red light, all those stressors, man, all that stuff is actually good for you.

49:48So when you do that, you can make the mitochondria more efficient. And if you make the mitochondria more efficient, I liken it to a road, right? We want to pave the road. So we pave this much. Okay. And then I want a little bit more. Now I want a little bit more. I'm widening the road. I'm widening my ability to live because right now you're a human. You can live pretty much a hundred percent oxygen down to 16 % oxygen. I want that more. I want to be able to live in 14 % oxygen. Why? I want to be adaptive. I want to be able to go all the way up to 3.0, 300 % oxygen effectively. Right. I want to broaden that path.

50:22I want more muscle. I want to rip more fibers. I want to do this, you know, so it's, it's a, it's a wild thought, but you know, we're, we're still trying to find the science and correct the code on this there's a lot there yeah but i think that

50:35Gary Brecka:you know given the number of indications that it's approved for now yeah the relative safety um of it and using gas pressure hormetic stress these are all things that we have a lot of data on in terms of you know strengthening the body and improving performance and function and i think most people are after that cognitive benefit as much as they are the physical benefit, right? Athletic performance, great. But we all wanna have our faculties going late into life. Two things. So you said safety and I just wanna nickel on safety real quick. So we did 102 year exhaustive study of every single accident with any kind of oxygen involved.

51:23And we even included Apollo 1. That's how complete this was because it was an oxygen environment. It was a hypobaric environment, but oxygen. Less than 150 people have lost their lives in 100 years. Now, that's a horrible number, trust me. But 150 years or 100 years and 150 people, that is a very low number. That's way lower than aspirin. That's way lower than Tylenol. That's way lower than any of these other drugs, right? So it is not dangerous. if done correctly, right? Like when you start to combine hydrogen and putting your red light therapy in and doing all the stupid things that you know in the hyperbaric chamber, bad, bad juju, right?

52:03Take a class, learn, get your learn on and understand it, which like I said, you should be lauded because you're doing it.

52:09Gary Brecka:No, I really am. Practice what you preach. And I respect that I have such a large platform and I have to be authentic and intentional about the information I've been putting out there. And to the extent that it's been wrong, I want to correct it so that - 100%. People don't, you know, follow me and start doing the wrong thing because I'm glorifying how efficient I am in my hyperbaric. Right. Which, you know, I've done. And so that's why I'm so excited about this podcast is like set the record straight, put some guardrails in so people can safely use these hyperbarics at scale. You know, we're preparing to open 600 of these ultimate longevity centers.

52:51Gary Brecka:and we have hyperbarics and all of these ultimate longevity centers. I don't want hundreds of thousands of people to come in and be a human experiment in our locations. I want them to get a physiologic benefit at a very high level of efficacy and safety and not take the risk. If only you knew a guy to train all those people. You got a friend. Oh, he's asking for a job right on my podcast. This is great. And the other thing is, you talked about cognitive enhancement and especially cognitive enhancement in a declining age population. Yes. If only there was a paper that was just written on that by Shia Frati.

53:26That's exactly what it does. It's cognitive enhancement in a declining age population. When you say declining age population,

53:32Gary Brecka:what do you mean? We can't say elderly anymore, right? Because it's the wrong word, right? Okay. So yeah, as you're getting older, you know, he did the study, right? So we're increasing cognitive function. We're increasing, you know, the multitasking and the single tasking that's in that paper, we're talking, I want to say it was 17 and 35, don't quote me on the numbers, but a 17 or a 35 % increase in double tasking, multitasking and single task work. It's incredible. And this was in older ages. Yeah. In the older ages, in the 55 plus community, right? I hate that you call 55 plus older ages, first of all, because I'm 55, right?

54:11I'm 60 next year, man. Are you kidding me? Okay. Well, just talk about yourself. i hate to like you know when i started getting the aarp announcement i'm like

54:21Gary Brecka:screw you guys like you know i could get like a discount on my triple a i'm like i don't want the discount um yeah i hate it yeah but that's all right because i wear it man i'm like yeah i'm 60 come on let's go yeah you want to get on a mat let's roll and so so how are you using hyperbarics in your daily regimen sporadically right because sporadically and and you know a bit stochastically right? So I'm doing this, I'm doing this. Higher pressure, lower pressure, higher pressure, lower pressure. Because I personally believe that works. Like you, I have a Ferrari in my garage. Well, it's not a Ferrari.

54:55It happens to be a hyperbaric chamber. Same. I'm way more proud

54:58Gary Brecka:of my hyperbaric than a Ferrari. Exactly, right? So I do this on a regular because I believe, right? And I'm taking blood, urine, saliva. I'm doing all the mitochondrial function tests, working all this stuff, trying to figure all this out. There's a lot that goes into this, But look, why don't we have great research funded in hyperbarics? Who's the claimant for it? Who's going to make money on it? Yeah. It's the problem. It's the same thing with peptides and a lot of these other things. It does not make them invalid. It's naturally occurring. The trees make it. It's not like drug companies can make a million dollars on it.

55:33So there's no, you know, double, you know, there's no phase two clinical trial in hyperbaric oxygen therapy. My N at the University of South Florida was 420. And that's the largest one that's ever been done. The largest clinical trial in hyperbaric medicine history, 420.

55:50Gary Brecka:The TBI at USF. The TBI at USF, right? So that's it, 420. And you think about a phase 2D trial, that's like 40 or 50 ,000. No. And when we talk about traumatic brain injury, is this at the time of a concussive injury or is this traumatic brain injury from past traumatic brain injury and you're trying to recover function. Yeah. So I just wrote the book, Shattered to Strong, which is in editing right now, but you'll see that come out really soon. I'll give you a copy. But a concussion could be a traumatic brain injury, but all that involves, you know, it could be mild, it could be moderate, it could be severe, right?

56:27Right. And it depends on how many, what the frequency, chronic traumatic encephalopathy, all that ties in somewhere with repeated hits or just a single hit, right? You could get laid out with a single hit or have repeated really bad hits and you can get away with it, right? So there's a lot in there that we don't know, right? Even when we're doing the endpoint of the study and we went to the FDA, the FDA was like, oh, we don't like the way you solved the traumatic, a cured traumatic brain injury. I'm like, well, what do you call it? And they're like, no, no, no, we don't have a cured traumatic brain injury, but we're just gonna tell you that we don't like yours.

57:03Gary Brecka:Right. We don't like your endpoint, but we don't have an endpoint. So make a new endpoint. And I'm like, oh my God, it's so stupid. But you know, look, since papyrus, since the days of papyrus, 2 ,000 years before Christ, we had traumatic brain injury on the books. So we have had it on the books for 3 ,000, 4 ,000 years. Yeah, of course. I mean, men have been banging their heads and stuff. It's been written down. We don't have a cure. We don't have an endpoint. It's the only thing that I keep saying. We don't open it up. Look, if you look at the knee, I've done knee surgeries because I've ripped up my knee, but you've had this little plica inside the knee, a little bursa sac and a little tip on the end.

57:42You can't even see it on the images, right? And that's a one millimeter thing that's causing hate and discontent in your knee. And the orthopedic surgeon's like, wait till I get in there and I'll see. I'm like, what do you mean see? Well, we don't open the brain. We don't go look in the brain. We just treat it on the outside and go, ah, you'll be fine. What you need is a tincture of time. You want to piss me off? That's how, when I got my traumatic brain injury, that's what they told me. You just need a tincture of time. And I was like, yeah, I don't want a tincture of time.

58:12Gary Brecka:Yeah. How did you get a TBI? What is it? So I was driving my 1947 Chevy. Why? Because I dove 1 ,947 feet. So I bought a 1947 Chevy. Oh, that makes sense. Okay. There's actually a correlation there. I love it. So I got T-boned at nine o 'clock in the morning on September 7th of 21. T-boned. In an intersection, I had just come back from the gym, knocked out. Head hit the window? My head hit the window. You know, no airbags in that car, right? Bam, bam. Thank God it's made of steel because the other car was totaled. My car was totaled. I'm locked inside, shaved door handles. They can't get me out.

58:48I'm in the driver's seat. Wow. Somebody ripped the door off the hinges, thank God, throw me in the back of the ambulance. I wake up on the way to the hospital. They're like, hey, you okay? I'm like, who am I? who are you where am i what's going on look i'm in a pair of scrubs right i'm going to teach i'm like okay all right i get to the hospital and the guy's like oh yeah you're um you had a really bad hit eight millimeter hemorrhagic stroke prefrontal cortex left side right so wow bam hemorrhagic stroke bleeding yeah so they had me in the icu for two days uh looking you know fall risk the whole bit detailed in the book.

59:28It's a great story. And then, uh, five more days in the hospital. So seven days in the hospital total. And then they're like, tincture of time. That's all you need. And I'm like, that's what you got. I'm like, I'm a TBI researcher. How about hyperbaric oxygen? They're like, well, you really don't want to do that. That's, that's a lot of blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, you can't even spell hyperbaric oxygen. You're telling me not to do it. Come on, at least know what you're talking about. So.

59:52Gary Brecka:So you start, you did your N of one again. So I did my N of one. So here's the bad part, right? Like, so that was September 7th. I get out of the hospital September 14th. By the end of October, I'm ready to take my own life. I am literally suicidal because I'm just like, I can't, I couldn't think anymore. I couldn't reason. I couldn't function. I couldn't read, right? So it's like, oh my God, I'm bad. You couldn't interpret the words. Like you could see them, but you just couldn't reason what they meant. I had strabismus surgery when I was young, right? So part of that strabismus surgery, they pulled the eye in, right?

1:00:25So when they pull the eye in, I'd have a lazy eye, right? But they pulled it in and now it looks good or it's used to. Well, when you have this surgery, it's common to see one and a half images, but then that goes away. Your compensation, your compensatory reaction in your body compensates for that double vision and you phase it together and you see one. Well, when I got hit in the head, I lost all that compensatory behavior and I went right back to ground zero to the sixth grade right after the accident. And I'm looking at people and I'm like, there's your nose and there's your nose. So when I'm reading, I'm reading the first line here and the second line with this eye and the second line here and the third eye with this.

1:01:05And I'm like, I can't understand anything. And I couldn't even understand enough to figure out what was going on. So and then I wasn't sleeping common with traumatic brain injury sufferers. Right. It's like it was horrible. Right. So now I got despondent, but I needed to get there to get back, to get better. And that is the impetus of every single thing that I've done since then, right? The hyperbaric oxygen, the ice baths, the saunas, the neurofeedback therapy, the cognitive behavioral therapy, structural energetic therapy. All that stuff came from my traumatic brain injury because I needed to fix myself.

1:01:41The lifelong aging, anti-aging, healthspan cure thing, it all came exactly from my TBI. Thank God I had that. It was the best thing that ever happened to me.

1:01:51Gary Brecka:So I've been working out with my son lately, trying to keep up with him and his High Rocks competitive athletes, and I've been starting to use this Perfect Amino pre-workout. I really like it. It's got BH4 and improves nitric oxide output, but it actually seems to stay after the workout and not crash. There's no stimulants, so no caffeine, no Mao Wong, nothing that gives you that kind of amped feeling. You just feel like you're maybe better able to move during the workout, like you have better blood flow. So if you're in the market for a pre-workout, check out the Perfect Amino pre-workout. It's my favorite now.

1:02:19Gary Brecka:Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. So let's talk about some non-brain benefits. A lot of people are touting healthier skin, youthful appearance to the skin,

1:02:34Gary Brecka:the oxygen being provided to these dermal, subdermal layers of the skin, actually improving the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles. Where do you fall in that? Yeah, I mean, look, it's collagen synthesis, right? Fibroblast proliferation collagen synthesis. We need that. It's not just the thing that the girls inject in their face. It's real stuff. Every cell in your body, most every cell in your body uses collagen, right? So it's the skeleton of everything. So you need it. So hyperbaric oxygen makes it. I mean, you know, science wins. Now, how it gets applied, yes, I have seen it. Yes, I've seen it reverse DNA damage.

1:03:10Yes, I've seen it. You have. But these are ends of one, two, five, 10, right? These are all small numbers, right? So preclinical sort of data. but you know we've also seen it reverse uh diabetes you know type 2 diabetes i've seen it reverse type 2 diabetes insulin sensitivity yeah wow and this is insane to think and you know i don't want to get killed or anything but like if we could do this we could stop people from taking drugs we could get people off of you know all these things but it takes work why why don't we have people going in it because you're a believer you go in it but how much does it take you?

1:03:4680 minutes a day?

1:03:47Gary Brecka:Yeah. 60 to 90 minutes. And you know, by the time you get there and you change and you unbox it and you drive there, like nobody can have it in their garage like you and I do. But you know, it's two hours out of your day. Who's got two hours in their day to go to a hyperbaric chamber for 40 times? Yeah. That's two months of your life. You're never getting back. Right. So not a lot of people have it. So patient compliance winds up being a real problem. So, but in the, in ambient air, compressed air, do you think it's safe for, because I'm thinking like if people could biostack, could they use a phone or a laptop under compressed air without?

1:04:23No, and the reason why is because those batteries are designed for, do you remember we were having problems on the planes with the batteries that were just blown, right? And they now even have a bag that they've invented to seal inside of it. And in the unlikely event, it has a problem on an airplane. The problem with that is you're sealed inside a hyperbaric chamber. So if you have a device in there and something goes wrong with it, you can't get out. And people are like, well, when you were underwater, Joe, you had a computer. I was like, yes. And if the computer caught on fire, I would take it and I'd throw it in the water.

1:04:57I had a hole in the bottom of the thing and I'd throw it in the water, right? Not like in the ocean. I'd throw it in the ocean to get rid of it, right? And it wouldn't be in the habitat anymore. How are you getting out? That's the problem. And then what happens when you increase temperature? you increase pressure you increase pressure now you're pressurizing your unit more you can't even unzip it or open the door i mean you know you can't get away from you know 15 pounds per square inch you can't open that door there's no way right right but you know you can't get it when it's increasing the pressure because you're increasing the temperature so yeah it's it's a no-go right if you have an issue just keep the vault like look the the new hyperbaric chambers that are coming out, your HPO tech, it's ASME PVHO approved.

1:05:44That's why I like them. They're going for FDA clearance right now. They're still in the process, whatever. But the ASME PVHO, I'm an engineer, right? It says engineers do this this way, right? We keep the, you know, the voltages down. We all, everything that goes in there is low. So you can have a type of a TV in there. You can have a monitor in there. You're allowed. It's just, it has to be done the right way. So if you're, so what's the one thing we haven't had on us right now? Our phones. My thumbs feel great. I don't have my damn phone on me.

1:06:16Gary Brecka:My thumbs feel great. Well, like how much do you take a break? So you take a break from your phone, I hope, right? In the hyperbaric chamber, right? You take a break from your phone. Guys, you need a break from your damn phone. Your phone is causing most of these problems. It's electromagnetic interferences. I mean, there's a whole conspiracy theory behind all that, right? But like, boy, get away from that damn thing. Relax, take it down a notch, breathe. When you say you come out and you're like, yeah, I feel great. You feel great. Cause you haven't had your phone. That's part of it. And we see the healing is much better when people have no external stimulation.

1:06:53Don't go in the chamber to watch movies. Don't go in the chamber to go in the chamber to have your alone time and keep that and cradle it and make it yours and be like, nobody's touching my hyperbaric oxygen time because it makes me feel better. And if it makes you feel better, keep doing it. So ditch the phone is my whole thing.

1:07:12Gary Brecka:Where do you see the future of hyperbarics going? Do you see it being common as a multivitamin in 10 years? Do you think that the research is advancing to a place where it's going to be a must-have? In someone's bio stack, obviously, price dependent, space dependent, time dependent. I get all that. But for that person that is on that longevity, biohacking, anti-aging journey, you see it as being one of those must-haves. A hundred percent. I do. I do. I see it. It's ubiquitous now. It has to be done the right way. Okay. The reason why we have such a great safety record in 102 years, less than 150 people gone.

1:08:01All right. We have a great safety record because we follow, build to this standard ASME PVHO stuff, right? And so we got to kind of get away from those, you know, hodgepodge ones, the ones that aren't being made right. And we'll continue to have a great safety record.

1:08:16Gary Brecka:And everybody just, you know, wants to buy it based on price. And I feel like if you're paying$25 ,000 for a hard show. Oh, you're going to negotiate price with me. I'm like, really? The guys that I'm talking to, I'm like, you are multi-multi-millionaire. and we're talking about the difference between$120 ,000 and$30 ,000, what is your life worth? To me, it's a no-brainer. Now, I get it. I'm not trying to be a big man on campus, but I get it. Price is an independent variable, is a thing. But your life is not worth taking that risk. So have it engineered the right way and do it the right way. But if you do that, I see it everywhere in every home for anti-aging, for whatever we're calling health span now, longevity.

1:09:00I think that it's truly, it's the one true force multiplier that everybody, like guys like Brian Johnson are saying, oh, it's the one true thing. And I mean, I talked to him.

1:09:09Gary Brecka:Myself too. Yeah. No, myself too. I mean, that's the most out for me. Guys are saying it's the right thing. I even got in an argument with Dave Asprey on stage over it. Really? Oh, yeah, yeah. About whether or not it was. No, you know, Dave did the whole intimidation thing, right? Like he stands up on stage and I'm like, bro, this ain't going to go the way you think it's going to go. So, but you know, in all lightheartedness, we had a good time afterwards. But, you know, it's the kind of thing that I believe is gonna show up everywhere because it moves the needle. Everything else is like, oh, put this magic cream on and it does, oh, come on, really?

1:09:44I see way too much of that garbage. I do too. So unfortunately, look, science wins over BS and the mechanisms of action work. And if you need collagen, this synthesizes collagen. That's all there is to it. I mean, let's not, you know.

1:09:59Gary Brecka:Overcomplicate it. Yeah, it works for problematic foot wounds. Does that mean it's gonna work for a bad arm wound? Probably. Is there data on it? No. Is there science behind it? Yes, right? So like, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Let's not confuse, like your industry was, you know, your lifespan or how long you're gonna, when people are gonna die, right? So let's not confuse your health insurance with somebody that actually cares about your health and is gonna make you live longer, right? So this is the kind of thing that, look, it's gonna make you live longer. It's gonna increase your telomere length.

1:10:36It does that. It's gonna increase your cognitive function. It does that. We know it. The papers are there, right? So stop with the whole, oh yeah, I'm just gonna let insurance pay for me, you know?

1:10:47Gary Brecka:Yeah. No. I'm gonna go into a little bit of a touchy area. I saw a video by Dr. David Minkoff in Tampa, and he's somebody I hold in very, very high regard, by the way, at LifeWorks. I have personally seen him work miracles in oncology patients. And his whole approach to cancer is, don't just go after the villain, the cancer, also treat the host. You know, I use this analogy a lot. When a fish gets sick, First thing we do is clean the tank. His whole approach is keto diet, cleaning the tank, getting rid of heavy metals, mold, mycotoxins, parasites, viruses, all these things that are causing these low-grade inflammatory infections and also treating the cancer.

1:11:35And he uses these different stalking horse methods of, you know,

1:11:39Gary Brecka:driving blood sugar down with a keto diet, further down with insulin, introducing chemo in conjunction with glucose to increase the uptake. but he swears by hyperbarics in oncology patients. And I don't know if that's something where you want to tread, but - No, absolutely. Look, I am intrepid. Cancer is a metabolic shift, right? All cancer was at one time a healthy cell. It's not something that happens to us. Something happens within us. Something caused that cell's metabolism to shift. Maybe it was radiation. Maybe it was toxicity. Maybe it was genetics, number of things. So it's not this rogue DNA.

1:12:21Gary Brecka:It is metabolic shift in the cell from healthy metabolism to sick metabolism. And he has been out saying, listen, hyperbarics are part of our oncology. We treat our cancer patients with hyperbarics. Where do you fall on that? And what evidence have you seen, if any. Right. So John Feldmayer wrote a whole bunch of papers on this oncology thing, right? So we know that chemotherapeutic agents are made more toxic in a hyperbaric environment, which kind of stands to reason you increase VEGF, vasculi-endothelial growth factor. So you're actually feeding tumors, if you will, more, right? With VEGF, yeah.

1:13:08With VEGF, right? So with VEGF, but you're getting VEGF from hyperbaric oxygen therapy. It's one of the mechanisms of action. So, okay, if you're feeding that and you're doing chemo, you probably don't want to do drugs like cisplatinum or disulfiram because those are two absolutely known that they are made much worse in hyperbaric oxygen. So here was my thought, and Feldmeyer and company were like, you're an idiot, right? And I'm like, okay, I'm just a young researcher, right? So I said, instead of giving this much chemo and then letting them go off and do their thing, give them this much chemo, less, and then do hyperbaric oxygen therapy if chemotherapeutic agents are made more toxic.

1:13:50So I said, oh, that seems more better. And he's like, look, jokingly, he said, you're going to get yourself killed, man. Some big pharma guy is going to whack you. I'm like, no, come on, man, seriously. He's like, no, the problem is we don't know how much. It's made more toxic. So stay away from those. But I'll tell you this right now. What we're doing is I just finished a pre-paper proposal to a pediatric cancer foundation to talk about neuroblastoma and glioblastoma and taking beta-hydroxobutyrate to induce ketosis and remain in a ketotic state and then do hyperbaric oxygen on top of that without chemotherapy to shrink tumors.

1:14:30So there's some pre-work done by Prof and D 'Agostino on this, which is great stuff. And it looks good, especially with the beta-hydroxybutyrate in combination. Look - Ketone body. Yeah, ketone bodies, right? So oxygen is not helpful to cancer, right? It's hurtful to cancer, right? And then sugar, cancer loves sugar. So if we take away the sugar and we give it the oxygen, which it doesn't like, it's gonna start shriveling up, right? So we're going to see this proposal, but that's in rats or in mice, actually, technically. So we're going to do this proposal. And from what we're, the pre-clinical data says that we're going to shrink tumors.

1:15:11So can you help? But remember, this is like a traumatic brain injury. Cancer is kind of like, do you have testicular cancer? Do you have glioblastoma? Do you have, you know, myelo, whatever? You know, you could have any kind of cancer. So how do you treat cancer? 84 different ways. I mean, you know, but you can't go wrong by oxygenating and reducing the sugar. I mean, sugar's the devil in my opinion. I'm just saying, right? So get rid of the sugar in your life and up the oxygen. Like I keep saying in the book says, hyperbaric oxygen doesn't cure anything, but it helps your body help itself. And that's what we want, right?

1:15:49We want an organism that will fix itself better, right?

1:15:53Gary Brecka:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I talk about this theory of immunofatigue all the time where it is slow, progressive, overwhelming of the immune system. And, you know, as we become less capable of defending ourselves and also less capable of policing ourselves, you know, the immune system is watching the senescent cells and cellular autophagy and, you know, making sure a CTC, a circulating tumor cell doesn't slip by. It's like, well, that doesn't have the right metabolism. Let's kill that. You know, natural killer cells can kill other natural killer cells that are not performing, right? It's like having the SEAL Team 6 unit inside your house all the time, just making sure everything's running efficiently.

1:16:32Gary Brecka:And I think the immune system doesn't get enough credit for that because most people think of it as only protecting us, not also policing us. Right. And, you know, nothing can go wrong, in my opinion, by having a healthier, more efficient immune system. Yeah, 100%. This is why age is itself a disease. Yeah. All right. It truly is. I know, I think they just renamed it as a disease to be honest with you. Yeah, I think they just renamed age as a disease. You're young, come on. I thought I just came up with that on the podcast. So apparently not. But look, we have an overactive immune system. We really do.

1:17:11I mean, right now, what's the worst stress that you have? Like somebody didn't like my Facebook post or somebody said mean things to me in the car. I mean, our ancestors used to get tasted by saber-toothed tigers, for Christ's sake. Come on. Let's be real here. We don't have a lot of stresses in our life, right? So when we see something, we go like immediately overboard, right? All these killer cells, everything pops to their attention. Everybody starts like doing the thing that they're doing, right? And it's like, all right, all right, calm down. So you see systemic inflammatory response as a consequence of people with an overreactive immune system.

1:17:49So we just kind of want to quell that down a little bit.

1:17:52Gary Brecka:Yeah. Finally, I want to round out this X-Prize again, and then I've got a bunch of VIP questions for you. The VIP community knew you were coming on, and they've got a bunch of questions for you.

1:18:05Gary Brecka:So intermittent hypoxia and pressure is the sort of staple of this, but you are also using other therapies. Red light, ice, sauna. And red light, do you recall the nanometer wavelengths you're using? No. Okay. So you're using the red light therapy, sauna, ice bath. Are you going sauna to ice bath? No, not doing the back and forths, but we just did the one, right? So the one exposure. Look, we're looking for that 13 % increase in brown adipose tissue, the cold shock proteins. We're looking for all that stuff. Cold shock proteins, peripheral vasoconstriction, releasing norepinephrine, dopamine. You get it.

1:18:48Gary Brecka:Activation of brown fat, yeah. Oh, yeah. All those hormetic stresses, which are free when you expose yourself to cold water. I talk about it all the time. I'm like, you don't even need to spend, whatever, seven to 10 grand on a cold plunge. You can take a cold shower. Three to five minutes, you're done, right? Like, let's not overkill it, right? So sauna, 20 minutes, you know, something like that. 20 minutes, how are you stacking these modalities? Are they on alternate days? So hyperbaric is consistent five days on, right? Yeah, hyperbarics is five days on. Hypobarics is five days on. If I had the perfect world designed, right?

1:19:20Hype O-Barricks in the morning, hype-er Barricks in the afternoon. And between that time and that four or five hour time,

1:19:27Gary Brecka:go to the freaking gym, get your gym on, right? Then drink water, then do your red light, then do ice bath, then do... It's hard because I don't like to do the ice bath and the sauna before and after one another. I like to give that space. That's my personal opinion. I do the ice bath in the morning. I do sauna night before bed. I actually find it has a marked increase in my sleep score. I just got back from a crazy trip in Europe. I spoke in each day. I spoke in Utah. Then I went to New York. Then I went to London. Then I went to Cannes. Then I went back to London. Then I went to Maine. Then I went to Alabama.

1:20:08Gary Brecka:Then I went to Miami. You have a worse speaking schedule than me. It was brutal. but um i got back and i did uh red light i did about 25 minutes in the in in the sauna yeah took a cool shower didn't want to cool myself off too much took a cool shower went to bed and pegged the 97 percent sleep score and 97 recovery felt amazing the next day holy And I noticed that when I do sauna close to bedtime, dry off, allow myself to cool off in the shower. I don't do the ice bath or maybe I'll do one 15 to 30 seconds to bring my temperature down a little bit. I sleep so much better. It's like a secret sleep hack.

1:20:54A hundred percent. Just doing that. That's exactly what I would be winding up doing if the world was perfect. Now, granted, we know the world isn't perfect, right? And hyper barracks in the afternoon is the best from your cycles and everything. But when can I do it? I can only do it in the morning. That's the time that I have the person watching me because somebody always watches me in the hyper barrack chamber. I'm not a, you know, not do as I say, not as I do. No, that's not me. Right? So somebody's watching me and the only time they can watch me is in the morning. So I got to do it in the morning.

1:21:24Right? So you work out if it works out sort of thing.

1:21:27Gary Brecka:So do you have one of those HBO tech single units? I do. Yep. you're sitting in there and you're doing your somebody watches me and all I do is breathe everybody's like oh yeah you can watch TV in those and they have a tablet that you can I'm like I don't care I don't care A nothing with a battery goes inside my chamber at all ever that thing has got a less than 28 volts per ASME PVHO code but I don't do any of that TV as a matter of fact I don't even I stopped subscribing to cable because I don't even watch TV anyway so what the hell did I subscribe the cable for. So I don't subscribe to any of that stuff.

1:22:02I don't watch TV. I don't try not to look at my phone if I can possibly avoid it. Although, you know, you have to text and so forth,

1:22:09Gary Brecka:but, uh, you know, I mean, and you're using the, uh, yep. I'm using the bib system and I'm breathing in and out, right. Repeating as necessary. And I take those deep because look, everybody, when they do ice bath, they do the whole, ha, ha, ha, ha. Well, what's this? This is sympathetic nervous system. This is parasympathetic nervous system. So I want to relax. When I come out of that, I am so Zen-like. And that's the one thing, like being underwater for a hundred days, the one thing that I had to do was I had to look in the mirror every morning at myself. And there wasn't a lot of people visiting.

1:22:44I had a couple of visitors, but not a lot. So I did a lot of inward looking during that time. And I was like, dude, you better chill out. And you got some things you got to fix. I'm looking in the mirror at you. I don't like you very much. Let me change that crap. Right. So that's the key, man. So that's what you do in there. Make it your time. That's, you know, look, that's what we need. We need decompression time, right? Let me out.

1:23:08Gary Brecka:Let me off that phone. Maybe people, maybe people start to think of their hyperbaric time as that meditation time, that Zen time, that alone time, that quiet time. Please do your meditative breathing in there, whatever. I mean, you know, do your Wim Hof breaths. I don't care what you do, you know? Just like chill out. Yeah, yeah. I mean, and then maybe it's not such a detractor from your day, you know? My old approach was how can I be more efficient in there and bio stack things while I'm in the hyperbaric and you're really reframing my opinion on that. No, but if you wanna stack, stack by breathing, stack by meditating because you gotta meditate anyway, right?

1:23:50I mean, it's all a mindset thing. We know we got to meditate. You are a captive audience, bro. You're going nowhere. Yeah, no, you're really reframing how I think about it. And it's only you.

1:23:58Gary Brecka:Yeah. Now, nice thing. My wife loves it because no one can talk to her. She's all about the meditation. She's my people. Yeah, she's, you would love to say it. She's like, yeah, don't anybody talk to me and I'll just go in here by myself. Yeah. Dr. DeTree, this has been amazing. Joe, please, thank you. And I wind down all of my podcasts by asking my guests the same question. There's no right or wrong answer to this question. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? Oh, wow. What does it mean to be an ultimate human? So I'm guessing for me, for Joe, it's living up to the potential that the good Lord gave me, right?

1:24:37So every morning I hit my knees, I thank him for the day and I say, take my hands, tell me what it is you want me to do. And I go off and do whatever it is that he kind of guides me towards, right? So maximizing that potential, I think I'm doing good by helping. I hope. I hope that's what I'm doing is helping people. So, you know, being a good human is a rare quantity today. So just kind of try and help as much as you can and be around long enough to help more people. Right. If I can live to 110, which is my goal year, I'm going for 110. So I'm barely halfway through my life right now.

1:25:14Gary Brecka:Well, let's see how your research comes. I mean, if your research comes out the way that it looks like it is, you take the XPRIZE, 110s in your mirror. Easy peasy, right? They're like, oh, they just approved resveratrol and rats and da-da-da-da-da. Now they're going to move it to humans. And I'm like, yeah, it's the wrong thing. I realize that's a hormetic stress, but that's not what we're looking for. Everybody's looking for the quick fix pill. Yeah, it's not going to be a resveratrol or NAD. You got to work. The ultimate human works, right? I see what you do here. you walk around this place you live it oh yeah you literally live it so you gotta live it and that's the way it's the only way thank you so much um i'm gonna follow your journey hopefully you are going to be the finalist for for the x-prize i'll have you back on excited about your research and where it's going thank you for shedding so much light on hyperbarics um this biohack that really doesn't have uh an authority in the space and and you and dr sauners i consider He was your student, authorities in the space.

1:26:14Gary Brecka:And I really appreciate you coming on and clarifying. Anytime, anytime, anything you need. Thank you so much. And until next time, guys, that's their science.