296. Dr. Jordan Rubin: The Truth About Raw Dairy and Your Gut

23:49Gary Brecka:even put anything into the system? Did you start just by like sipping on raw dairy? Yeah, very small amounts, but I could tell it was working. Because if you gain 29 pounds in 40 days, if you have any nutrition hit your bloodstream when you're that deficient, it's like, it's astounding. It was an epiphany because I had spent two years, I went on vegan diets. I went on a keto diet. I went on a specific carbohydrate diet where I had no grains. Oh my God, a keto diet when you're that emaciated? I went on all these different things and tried them. It wasn't like I was following a junk food gastroenterologist recommended Ensure type diet, but something about these foods made an impact.

24:24And I read a book, one of the three mandated books by Bud Keith, and it was called The Milk of Human Kindness is Not Pasteurized. Long title, but a medical doctor, William Campbell Douglas, wrote it. It's now called The Milk Book. And I learned all the power of raw dairy. I read a book called None of These Diseases to learn the power of hygiene from a biblical perspective. And then God's Key to Health and Happiness, which encouraged me to follow what people would call a biblical or kosher diet. So I avoided pork and shellfish. And that 40-day experience became the framework for probably my best-known book prior to the Biblio diet, which was called The Maker's Diet.

25:06So I wrote that in 03, and it was very much geared towards people with autoimmune disease, inflammatory bowel disease, et cetera. Because at the end of those 40 days, I gained 29 pounds back to San Diego. And then on my birthday, on my 21st birthday - I mean, your parents must have been. Oh, I'll tell you about that. It was amazing. But on my 21st birthday, I was on the beach working out like Bud Keith told me. He infused faith. He put me on a path to be healed. And during this 40 days, not only did I eat, drink, and breathe God's food, but I imagined my future having a family, having an opportunity to share this message with others.

25:50And he even sowed the seeds of me one day having a regenerative farm. He said, Jordan, one day you're gonna have a place where you can produce this kind of food because it was already semi-illegal in California and definitely illegal everywhere else. So I'm thinking, what am I gonna do? I'm surviving on raw dairy. I'm surviving on grass-fed meat. I'm mixing raw eggs in my smoothies. You know, like this is things I'm doing in the nineties. And I didn't have money. I didn't have any certainly career prospects, but there's something powerful about watering faith with the seeds of hope. And that, you know, all ultimately came to pass, but I got well.

26:32I committed my life to sharing a message of health and hope with those who needed it. But I didn't have any credentials. I was just a guy with a before picture. And so I started working at a health food store, sharing the message one at a time. And in 1998, a man who my dad knew who was a doctor wrote an article about me in the Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, an alternative medical journal. and the diet that I used combined with this black dirt substance my dad sent me in an envelope, which was now I know as soil-based probiotics plus humic and fulvic acid-based minerals that transformed my health.

27:11And so I ended up having an article written about me and they wanted to write about this probiotic substance because I had tried 30 probiotics bottles a day, nothing worked. This worked when none other did. And so when the article was written, I asked my parents' friends if they could set up a phone line for me. They had a home-based business. I got 2 ,000 phone calls from doctors around the world. And I found a way to encapsulate this probiotic in 98. And that ultimately led to the creation of Garden of Life. And, you know, Gary, people ask me all the Jordan, why'd you get sick? So I told you that I wasn't vaccinated as a child, but I left this out.

27:52When I was 15, there was a measles epidemic

27:54Gary Brecka:at my high school and they wanted to give a vaccine. My dad said, Jordan, don't do it. I said, dad, they're gonna suspend me. And so I got a vaccine against my dad's wishes. It was called MMR. And whether or not that plus a diet when I went away to college that was high in carbs, it was like the snack well, fat free craze. those could have been what led to it. But when someone asked me, why did I get sick? My answer is so you don't have to, or better yet, so people who are desperate and dying can have hope that they can be well, like I am. And that was the reason I don't second guess it. It would be hard for me to say I would do it all again because it was so, so, so horrible, but I'm so blessed that God used me in that way because I've seen people overcome disease by the droves.

28:48And it's just been the most gratifying life you could live.

28:53Gary Brecka:And when you started the raw dairy, was it all cow dairy? Did you do goat's milk? Did you do kefir, yogurts? Was there a time that, I mean, is too much, too much? I mean, your system must've been so sensitive. Or did you, I assume you had fermented foods as well and grass-fed meats. So it started with raw dairy. Was it raw milk? It was goat first. Raw cheese, goat first. Because in Florida, when I met this man by phone, I wasn't able to travel. I've got a refrigerator full of that, by the way. I wasn't able to travel yet. You'll be very proud of me. And so I found, this is funny because a lot of places there's a goat lady.

29:34So I found this wonderful woman named Joanne and she raised goats for a ministry to give goat milk to children who weren't breastfed or people that couldn't consume anything else. And I studied the work of Bernard Jensen back in the day who was a huge goat milk advocate.

29:52Gary Brecka:Barbara O 'Neill is the one that really turned me on to that. I mean, I've consumed raw dairy, but now I do all raw goat milk, but also kefir. Yeah, and so it started with that. because my gut was so damaged, I did better with cultured or high fat dairy. So it was goat dairy, then it was cow's milk kefir, then I consumed raw cream, because that was one of the ways I gained weight, such healthy saturated fats, MCTs, et cetera. Colostrum. I had some colostrum. And then over the years, I have consumed raw dairy for, it's hard to believe, almost 33 years. And every one of my children, I have six, every day they're in the house, five are adopted.

30:31so I didn't have them all born to us. Raw dairy, staple in our home, raw eggs. We have our own farm, so we get our own. How do you do the raw eggs? I usually use mostly yolks and I'll put them in smoothies or I'll make puddings or ice cream.

30:45Gary Brecka:What does this typical smoothie look like? Do you use like a good grass-fed whey protein, whey protein powder? Yeah, it depends. I've created a lot of protein powders, but the base smoothie is some type of raw dairy, could be cultured, could be cream. So right now we have sheep and goat in the house. Water buffalo is a huge favorite of mine. It's my favorite animal. We raise water buffalo. All of that is A2 naturally. And then you make a water, like a water buffalo whey? No, no, all dairy, all raw dairy. So it's either, let's call it for the average person, eight ounces of raw goat, sheep, or water buffalo milk.

31:20Those milks are all not only raw, but they're A2 naturally and they're naturally homogenized. And lastly, no one talks about this. They're all white no matter what they eat because those animals metabolize carotenoids. And so they'll create downstream metabolites in the dairy. Whereas cow's milk, we love the yellow butter, the yellow milk, but that's kind of out of solution, if you will. The reason you're seeing the color is the grass creates the carotenoids in the milk, but it, and the cream rises to the top. So it's not homogenized. All of the dairies I just mentioned are naturally homogenized.

31:56So eight ounces of that, three raw egg yolks. My favorite eggs are turkey eggs. I'm a little odd. We're both odd. I didn't know we could get turkey eggs. Well, we raise them. Turkey eggs are so hard to find. I was gonna say, I was gonna say, I've never seen them enough. Some people are sensitive to chicken eggs. So I love duck eggs, goose eggs. Duck is probably what we have the most of. And raw in the shape. You have three raw egg yolks. Then we'll use a little raw unheated honey. Then some kind of fruit, little bit of vanilla extract. That's the base. And if you wanna add, we have a plethora of proteins.

32:26We'll use organic whey. When you say we. My family. Oh, your family, okay. I'm the smoothie maker. So my job in the morning is to lay out supplements and smoothies. Okay. And I've been consuming that kind of a smoothie for 30 some years.

32:38Gary Brecka:Are you using like a whey protein powder? Yeah, we can use an organic whey protein. Organic whey protein powder. We'll have beef protein. Okay. Because I have all these ingredients, a lot of what I use comes out of mason jars, et cetera. I think you know, Gary - Like your grandmother. Josh and I started Ancient Nutrition years ago. So we have good choice. So we'll use collagen a lot of times in a smoothie. My kids have been consuming bone broth or collagen since either they were born or I've had them in the home. I even, since we adopted five kids, the infants we adopted, I made infant formula for them with 14 ingredients, always with a base of sheep or goat milk because mother's milk's A2.

33:16Gary Brecka:And the proximity to human mother's milk is very similar with goat's milk. Yeah. So, so you're on this journey, you get this article written, you start this business, if you will. And which, which, you know, becomes one of the most prolific health brands ever. But then you, you, you hit another wall and there's another diagnosis of, of metastatic kidney cancer. And for the second time now in your lifetime, you're told that the end is near. In fact, you had 100 % chance of being dead in 90 days. You know, I had a great run in between, fortunately. So I got well in 96, end of 96. And then so it was 14 years later, 2008, that I was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

34:14And what's interesting, Gary, is I was on a 10-month tour in a Prevost 45-foot bus promoting a new book, a television series. Oh my God, a health book in the middle of - And we were going all around the country to all the famous sites in America. And I was visiting churches and health food stores and doing media. And I was stopping at my home in West Palm, and I was filming a segment called The Supernatural Athlete, where I took amateur and professional athletes through a health program in the off season. And I was so excited because I was going to do the whole program. But it was at that time when I started experiencing pain, didn't know what it was.

34:54And then I was diagnosed when I was home, so I had to cancel the rest of the tour. But what was interesting, Gary, and this, I think so many people can resonate with this. When I was diagnosed with cancer, I didn't have pain. Like Crohn's disease, I was devastated. Every day was hell. The thing about cancer that I've learned over the last 18 years is that cancer's at first a spiritual disease. And I believe what someone believes about their future has as much to do with their cancer outcome as any supplement, any medicine, any modality. So for me, when I was in the doctor's office and he said, I read up on you, I know who you are.

35:36Don't blank around with this. If you don't get conventional treatment, which would have been chemo, then a really invasive surgery followed by chemo again, there's a 100 % chance you'll be dead in 90 days. My first thought, Gary, it wasn't horror. It wasn't fear. It wasn't anger. My first thought, believe it or not, was this is a testimonial in the making because who has the right to tell you of a 100 % chance of dying? Not 90, not 80, 100. And even though my wife was shaken, we had just adopted two babies. just literally months before. I had a three-year-old turning four. And you were how old at that time?

36:17I was 33. I had 200 employees. I mean, this was major.

36:21Gary Brecka:But you've been so good on your diet. So good. You had gotten yourself so healthy. I mean, have you ever pontificated on where did that come from? Well, I can tell you exactly. So I didn't have kidney cancer, Gary. A pastor friend of mine that I led through kidney cancer, that was their story. I had testicular cancer. but here's the interesting part. And I don't talk about this a lot, but when I was younger, I had an undescended left testicle, like a lot of boys do. And my dad being a naturopathic doctor, he worked with the doctor and they agreed to not have the slip surgery that would have been so easy.

36:57What happened is this lodged in my inguinal area and your testicles, we talk, people talk about this with the sauna, et cetera. You need to have expansion, contraction, temperature control. So I thought I had an inguinal hernia or a sports hernia. I went in for a hernia surgery after trying a bunch of natural things. And I woke up and they said, you have cancer. It was your testicle that was lodged there all these years. And I -

37:24Gary Brecka:Because I was gonna say this trajectory of like, the clean eating and the turnaround. It wouldn't make sense. It wouldn't make sense. There was a thousand fold increase of cancer when, because it was a full-size testicle in my inguinal area for 33 years. and it was basically a matter of time. We just didn't know. And now I do. So they removed the testicle, but it had already spread by then. The doctor came in and he said, there's more to discuss, gave me the prognosis. And I know this is gonna sound superhuman, but I reacted in a similar way to what catalyzed my healing from Crohn's colitis. The doctor goes out of the office to bring back my CT scan results.

38:09And we're in a public place, some guy's office, an oncologist. And I told my wife, Nikki, I said, guard the door. She said, what do you mean? I said, just stand in front of it. So I get down on my hands and knees and I put my nose on the carpet. I'm talking face to the ground. And I quoted Job 121. I said, naked I came into this earth, naked I shall return. It is the Lord who gives and the Lord who takes away. Blessed be the name of the Lord. I wanted the first thing that I did to say, God, I don't know how to get out of this, but I'm in your hands. And the story of Job was he lost his wealth, he lost his kids, and he lost his health, but he never cursed God.

38:50He trusted God. It took a long time, but God gave him double everything that he lost. Now, you can't make up for losing kids, but the story, I think, is important for anyone who is suffering. And so I did that. I told the doctor, I want to fight this naturally. He said, you're committing suicide. He wanted me to go to one of the leading world experts. I could have gone to Lance Armstrong's doctor in Indiana or to Harvard Medical. I chose Harvard. I met a man who told me as an oncologist, latest author of the textbook, world renowned. He said, I've read about you. What are your fans going to think now?

39:28Like literally cursing me. Oh my gosh. Because I asked the question, what kind of chemo am I getting? Because chemo is not chemo. It's certain medications. We just use that phrase, but is it cisplatin? Anyway, I wanted to ask one question, but you can't ask some of these guys questions.

39:42Gary Brecka:Yeah, don't question the authority. So I walked out of Harvard Medical, the hallowed halls of Harvard, and my wife and I knew we'd never return. And I took 40 days again, and I put a program together where I was gonna do 12 to 14 hours at home. I followed a raw omnivorous diet. I did every therapy you can think of. I was telling you I used nasal inhalation of hydrogen four hours a day. There was a machine that I bought back then that could quench singlet oxygen radicals, all this stuff. Yeah. How did you even find out about that? My dad. Okay, your dad. I love this guy. And then just sort of my travels to clinics and you know, cause I'd been in the industry now for 13, 14 years.

40:21Gary, I went in an infrared sauna two hours a day. First sauna, I drank a green juice, 64 ounces that I would freshly juice. The second one I had fresh pressed coconut cream, tomato and cucumber and honey. I had certain smoothies to help me detoxify that were rich in elagic acid because of the berries. I ate raw sockeye salmon ceviche because it was high in astaxanthin and omega-3s.

40:46Gary Brecka:Were you on raw meat, raw chicken? Raw everything. Now I would marinate it in lemon juice, et cetera, and the meat was in olive oil, but everything was raw. It was not raw vegan, it was raw omnivorous. I ate a couple of pounds of meat a day. One of my favorite biohacks outside of breath work by far is mineral salts, Baja Gold Sea Salt. It's got all of the trace minerals that the body needs. You know, most of us are not just protein deficient, meaning amino acid deficient or fatty acid deficient. We are mineral deficient. So a quarter teaspoon of this in water first thing in the morning, we'll make sure that you get all of the essential minerals that you need.

41:23Gary Brecka:It tastes amazing. In fact, I made a steak today. I actually made a grass fed steak with grass fed butter and I put just mushrooms and a little bit of rosemary and I sprinkled Baja gold sea salt all over the top. Try it. It'll be your new favorite for cooking too. It's the cheapest and one of my favorite biohacks. I don't know, a 15 or$20 bag of this will probably last you five years. And it's literally the world's best biohacking secret. Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. Well, you weren't worried about like parasites, bacteria. So did you put it in vinegar? Did you know with just that lemon juice or lemon juice?

41:54No. And I'd already eaten and I'm sure you have carpaccio and sashimi. So So I knew that this was healthy and I had studied sort of the early Weston Price work. So I was all in. So all these things I was already consuming. Raw salmon, raw meats, raw chicken, raw eggs. I've never said this publicly, Gary, but I can't lie. I did eat raw chicken once. Between you, me and whatever you, whoever I can tell. Yeah, so you did have raw chicken. Mostly raw meat and raw fish. Raw chicken weirds you out a little bit, but this was all from sources I could verify. I'm not just gonna go to the grocery store and get crummy chicken that has all kinds of chlorine solution in it.

42:32This was source verified, et cetera. And every meat I eat had some kind of a acidity to it to make it break in, to break it down, so to speak.

42:41Gary Brecka:You were already on a relatively healthy trajectory at the time. So now you just really doubled down, right? Oh, yeah. Triple down, quadruple down. You're not the first one to tell me, um, there's, there's someone I rarely talk about on camera either, um, that I have seen conduct what I, you know, from the outside in would sound like miracles. Um, and I haven't fully wrapped my arms around it yet, but it, you know, it was raw colostrum, raw, raw meat, raw eggs, raw fish, and fermented vegetables, honey, maple syrup, not even berries, and has been the custodian of very similar stories to yours.

43:32So I don't, again, I don't know that

43:35Gary Brecka:I've wrapped my arms fully around the, you know, fully going raw. And by wrap my arms around, I'm not saying that that can't work, but there seems to be a lot of evidence for removing like those charred, you know, the - AGEs. Yeah, the AGEs that form when we char and, you know, create carcinogenic compounds. But wow, so now you started this raw journey. Yeah. Which also included, you know, vegetables. You were juicing them. Oh yeah, I did juices. I did some fruits. And what were you juicing? Were you juicing things like celery? Yeah, so my main juice was celery, parsley, and peeled cucumber. And I would put a little lemon juice in it, a little honey.

44:13I was drinking so much juice. Some of it I wanted to last a few days. So if you will put, excuse me, lemon juice and honey, especially the best quality unheated honey, it'll preserve raw juice for a number of days in glass jars. So I did that. And just to be clear, I have gone on in the last 18 years to help many, many, many people navigate a cancer journey. And what I would recommend today is not exactly what I would recommend then. In fact, it's impractical to spend 12 to 14 hours a day preparing, consuming raw foods, going in a sauna for two hours a day. I got an hour of sunshine at least five days a week at noon.

44:51I mean, these are things that most people don't have either the luxury to do. They don't trust themselves to go through this type of a program. So now when I work with people battling cancer, it's a little bit simpler. and I've been able to amass some more tools in my toolbox. I use a lot of intermittent fasting, which I've been personally practicing for 28 years. So there's a way to do it now that doesn't involve raw chicken, which now I'm the subject of fear factor apparently. Right, right, right. But I don't think I've ever admitted that, Gary. Well, that's great, man.

45:25Gary Brecka:We're giving our audience some great tips. I think the framework of this though is taking the power back. Because when I was doing the guest research on you, you actually controlled the framing of people that you would allow in your sphere. 100%. Like there was no talk to me like a cancer patient. Don't call me a cancer patient. I don't want to talk about remission cures. I'm reframing this entire ecosystem that I'm, because words and thoughts are medicine. Oh, yeah. And, you know, you can speak things into existence, the Bible says, so a man think that he shall become. And I think when we accept that we are sick or dying or about to die, just by virtue of simply accepting that, you're almost predetermining that in a way.

46:18Gary Brecka:And I imagine you did a lot of prayer. Oh, yeah. Um, but, you know, thankfully you were in a place and had, you know, a family around you that, that, that, that allowed you to, you know, withdraw and go on this journey. And I had to tell my team at Garden of Life at the time, I've been diagnosed with a serious form of cancer. I didn't put my head in the sand, pretend it didn't exist, but I said, listen, I'm healed. The Bible says I'm healed. You're just going to watch it unfold and I'll be back, but I'm taking 40 days off. And this was in the BlackBerry days, which you would have said, Jordan doesn't leave his BlackBerry for one second, kind of like an iPhone today.

46:55Sure. I really didn't work. And you mentioned prayer. I wrote out a prayer with the help of some great Bible teachers. My dad made some suggestions and the word of God. And I quoted it three times a day out loud. It's five minutes long. And I've actually sent that to people around the world. It's in the Biblio Diet book. I offer it free on our website because the power of the spoken word, the Bible says death and life is in the power of the tongue. That's you speaking over yourself and others speaking over you and you speaking over others. I don't say things like he's autistic or she's diabetic or I have cancer.

47:34I was so joyful during this 40 days, very different than the Crohn's disease battle. If you would have said to me, hey, Jordan, you have cancer, I would have been like, look around, who are you talking about? I just didn't own it, Gary. Not for a minute did I accept it. However, I tested it. I had blood work drawn every two weeks from a lab director who tested the blood marker three different ways. I scheduled a CT scan at the same radiology center 40 days later, all exactly the same. And the radiologist never talks to you. So he wouldn't know if I did chemo, surgery, but he was gonna objectively review it because I needed A, to say that alternative medicine's not my idol.

48:16Life's more than that. I've got now three kids and a wonderful wife and people that count on me, but I also wanted the world to see that it was real. And so it was an amazing journey and God was very faithful. And I didn't tell people, Gary, about my cancer healing for quite some time. Now, normally, if I have a toenail that, you know, gets banged, I write a book afterwards, how to cure your toenail. I mean, I was very open about things and I want, I just felt like I had to keep this not a secret, but to myself, because I knew that when I shared it, there would be so many people that needed either a place to go or a universal answer.

48:56And I knew that 12 to 14 hours a day of all kinds of things that are stacked on each other, including that$15 ,000 hydrogen machine, raw foods. This wasn't practical. So I waited till God released me to share it. And really, the Biblio diet's the first time in writing that I shared my story, which would be 17 years after I feel like God healed me. But in the middle of that 17 years, people would come to me asking for advice on their cancer journey. I wouldn't tell them I had been there, done that, but I would share with them. And they would always say, Jordan, it's like, you know what I'm thinking.

49:34You're so empathetic because this terrible fraternity of people diagnosed with cancer, when you hear that word, you make a decision. You start to die or you become a conqueror. And I do not want to make light of anyone watching and saying, but my dad died of cancer. Are you saying that he chose to die? Or my aunt died. when I was diagnosed, it didn't matter who on the planet lived or died from cancer. It was between me and God and the people he entrusted me with. And all I focused on was healing. It didn't matter the percentages. It didn't matter the statistics. I had peace most of the time. A few times I got shaken when the lab director called me and I see his number on my phone and my hand shakes.

50:18Yeah, of course. But all in all, I was able to conquer cancer in a way that could be replicable for other people. And over time, I feel like God's revealed to me, I say health secrets from the Bible that can help anyone today, even if they don't have the means or the ability or the trust to do what I did and pretty much lead my own program.

50:41Gary Brecka:Wow. I'm gonna fast forward to the Biblio diet and you talk about the framework for, because there's such a war out there for people wanna be very dogmatic about dying. It's all carnivore, paleo, pescetarian, vegan, vegetarian, raw food. It's all plant-based. It's all meat-based. And I think zooming out and taking a reference point that goes back centuries and not only was preached through the word in the Bible, but also we have centuries of data, right? Actual data on this. I think the combination of that, you know, modern realistic view of what the data says and what the Bible actually dictates, the convergence of those to me makes an enormous amount of sense.

51:40Gary Brecka:In fact, you know, I say that, you know, when we look at like Eastern medicine, things that have been around for 5 ,000 years usually don't stick around because they don't work, right? And everyone wants the peer-reviewed, published, randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial, gold standard data. But sometimes centuries of data is more valid. like it's a larger data set and we have an enormous amount of validation for these things. So I wanna fast forward to the Biblio diet. I wanna talk about how you eat now, your, do you call it cyclical fasting or intermittent fasting? Who knows? It was called something different when I did it.

52:25It was eating only one, maybe two meals a day, but it started when I was 21 because actually I was trying to do sort of a fitness competition within our office. And I met a man from Israel who introduced this concept of what is now called intermittent fasting or time-restricted eating. And it made sense that in the old days, you either worked, hunted, or battled. And the only time you really could relax and eat was in the evening. In the Bible, they always talk about reclining at table. You know, they would sort of like lean back, et cetera. But you can't do that if you're about to be hunted. So you almost always ate your main meal when it was dark.

53:05And I interviewed some of my relatives at the time. I'm of Jewish heritage. And so I asked my grandmother who grew up in Poland, which I think now would be the Ukraine, hey, grandma, what'd you eat for breakfast? What'd you eat for lunch? And she almost always ate her main meal with her family at dinner because there was too much to do otherwise. And it took them a whole day to prepare the food. She said, maybe I'd pick a crab apple from my friend's tree or dip something in oil but yeah, so that started quite some time ago and it made me a little more resilient. So for example, you said, hey, have you eaten anything before this podcast?

53:41And I have a friend, he's actually a mutual friend of ours who I'm meeting with after. And he said, Jordan, can I come bring you food when we pick you up? And I said, sure, but I could go without eating. I'm gonna go visit a regenerative farm. Well, mine comes from our own Amish farm. So yeah, yeah.

53:56Gary Brecka:No, you'll see, you'll see more. I'll happily eat. But my point is I feel like the old adage, we had when you and I were growing up was eat six meals a day, stoke your metabolism. I can go hours or days without eating and sometimes even feel better. So that's definitely a big part of not just biblical eating, but historical eating. But today I would say I'm a regenerative omnivore in terms of my diet. I prioritize protein. I love meat. We're blessed to raise some of the world's healthiest meat. We prioritize water buffalo or Asian buffalo, which is so amazing. I love eggs. We have our own eggs and we feed them over 100 nutrient dense fruits and vegetables a day.

54:41The food scraps from Sprouts Farmers Market. So we don't feed them any grain and they're amazing. And then I consume raw dairy. It depends on sort of today. Well, when I get home late, I'll probably have a sheep yogurt smoothie. and I still have a sweet tooth, but I'll make healthy treats with, you know, I love ice cream. So we make our own raw ice cream recipe, which is great. And I'll still probably eat once a day, maybe twice. I love sourdough einkorn bread. So the only grains I'll eat would be sort of that heirloom, lower gluten, less hybridized. And we eat kind of a beyond organic diet. And I'm blessed that many of my kids eat this way too now by choice.

55:25And some of them even correct me, which is great. They'll go to a trade show in our industry, like Natural Products Expo West, and they'll walk the booths and they'll be offered samples and they'll say, no, these have seed oils or no, this isn't grass-fed. It's not really grass-fed. So we love what we eat. The myth is that you have to eat twigs, rocks, and a few berries to be healthy. But I like to say the Biblio Diet's the only diet book that doesn't just allow, but recommends meat, dairy, bread, fat, and salt. I know you agree with all those. No, I do.

56:00Gary Brecka:Yeah. No diet recommends all of them. Some recommend one. And to your point, we live in a world where there's so much disparity. The vegans say that animals are killing you and the planet and the carnivore dieters say that plants are trying to kill you. and today we have to frame to your point what works and what doesn't work but i believe the bible over science i believe the bible over research so if jesus was referred to as the bread of life and even called himself that i need to find out what bread is the healthiest because it can't be bad right and so we eat sourdough bread almost every day some people say jordan Can you have some bread with your butter?

56:46Because I'm a big butter fan. I love cream. I love extra virgin olive oil. I take a shot of it every day. Same here. I wake up and take it every morning. Milligrams of polyphenols per kilo. So I would be considered an outlier like you. Yeah.

57:00Gary Brecka:Where do you source the olive oil from? You know what? It's anywhere where I can find it. And I do this because I want people not to hear that I got it from the Greek islands, which I originally did. But I'll go on Amazon and I'll type in high polyphenolic olive oil. And I look for over a thousand milligrams of polyphenols per kilo. It's the kind that makes you cough. Yeah. And we do prayers at dinner. And we take a shot while quoting Acts 1.8, which says, I will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon me and I'll be your witness in Nashville, Tennessee, and to all the ends of the earth.

57:32I say that because oil represents the Holy Spirit. You know, I read a scripture, Gary, post-Biblio diet, because the Bible should be a book that we could read once and understand, but it's in my life, a living and active book. And God speaks to me over time. How could I write a book called The Maker's Diet and leave out important biblical truths about diet? I don't know how, but I did. So later God revealed more to me and that birthed the Biblio Diet. And even after that, I was reading Job and Job described the prime of his life. And he said, the streets flowed with cream and the rocks dripped with olive oil.

58:10People say Jordan, but isn't fat bad? Isn't saturated fat bad? I say two things. One, if God wanted skim milk, he would have put a cream separator on the udder of a cow, goat, or sheep. And number two, where do we get all these great sayings from, euphemisms, analogies, like the cream of the crop? That's how farmers measured their success. We describe someone who's the best athlete, the best student as the cream of the crop. When somebody starts at a low position and goes all the way to the top. We say the cream always rises to the top.

58:42Gary Brecka:Yeah. But yet we homogenize, which hurts our heart. We pasteurize, which hurts our gut. We've really done a lot to destroy our food. And so I think what you and I do more than anything is give people permission to eat like their grandparents would have, which is logical. It's just how do you get around the system? That's what I, you know, that's, you know, a lot of what we talk about could be categorized as fear-mongering, but it's not fear-mongering. It's really just teaching people how to get back to the basics and get around the system. And it used to be the only way that you could source your food.

59:14Gary Brecka:But now convenience, you know, is significantly more important for most people than nutrition or for a lot of people than nutrition, nutrient density and what have you. So just to distill this entire conversation down to some practical things that people could do. So someone's listening to this podcast. What do they do tomorrow? You know, I'm all about optimizing performance. And lately I've been using the ion weighted vest during my workouts. And it's been a game changer. It isn't your average weighted vest. It's designed to fit like a second skin, activating your core, improving blood flow, and even helping you with recovery while you train.

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1:00:31I could actually drop the mic, not that this mic could be dropped, but - Yeah, you could drop it up. That is number one. And if you don't believe, it's really difficult to get well. You have to believe, so faith, and then you have to take action. And if you have a disease that is very serious, take the greatest amount of action possible. I would tell you to quit your job because what's the point of having a job if you're not alive? Find a way to focus on your health. Find someone to guide you. Bud Keith infused hope in my life. What's interesting, Gary, he gave me a framework of eating and I actually followed something that was pretty different.

1:01:10The principles were there, but he wanted me to consume all this raw milk. And to your point, I couldn't handle raw dairy. I had to find kefir or cream because all that lactose and all, it just wasn't able with a gut that was wrecked to be tolerated right at the time. But he encouraged me. He told me, don't be negative. Stop talking about your disease and start talking about being healed, which was so amazing. Something else that is very underappreciated. If you're sick and desperate, forgive those people that have hurt you and deal with your emotional crap. During my cancer battle, I took four days, Gary, to go over sequentially every memory I had where someone hurt me and I prayed to be healed from it.

1:01:55I didn't want that virus to be on my hard drive anymore and keep replaying it. And then I asked God to forgive me for all the people I hurt. Took me four days. And I promise you, I'd rather eat raw chicken three times a day than have to deal with my emotional junk or take pills or colonics. This was hard stuff because I remembered a time where my baseball coach, when I was seven, I was in a slump and he said, if you strike out one more time, I'm gonna do something terrible to you. That's still welled up in me. I still remembered it. So I dealt with that and it removes something from me that was worse than any toxin.

1:02:33Gary Brecka:Oh yeah. And then improve your diet. People say to me, Jordan, I don't wanna go on a diet. I've been doing this for 30 years. I don't wanna go on a diet. I just wanna eat whatever. I said, you're already on a diet. Yours just sucks. You eat the same things over and over again. People don't buy 30 ,000 items in the grocery store. They buy the same crap. Right. Today, everywhere you go, my assistant was going to Costco and we were texting, what do you want to get from Costco? Costco has good food now. Yeah. Oh, no, they do. Walmart has good food. Walmart is actually the largest organic grocer in the world.

1:03:06Gary Brecka:I didn't know that. When I was doing this, I had to order salmon roe from Alaska, and I had to order dairy from here, and piecing it together was so difficult. But today, it's everywhere. It's cool. So just do it. And you mentioned this, too, is so important. Tune out the noise of people that won't believe with you. When I was battling cancer, I didn't go public with my quote-unquote audience. I told 40 people, my employees, family and friends, and anyone who said, but Jordan, don't you think you need to do chemo? Jordan, I'm worried about you dying. I didn't have them in my life for that period of time.

1:03:43They were fired or put in timeout along with the doctors that told me I'd be dead. And I needed an environment of healing. And I coach people like you do. And I'm sure you've seen this where family members can interfere. Like a woman wants to be healthy, wants to get on track, but her adult children are sort of stuck in the medical paradigm.

1:04:05Gary Brecka:Yeah, but it's also, you know, or the inconvenience or their job or their career. So tomorrow morning, what is it that they do? And is there a framework for, okay, if I can source raw dairy, I start by adding, you know, goat milk, kefir, maybe raw yogurt to my diet. would you say i would um start with a limited restricted feeding window and putting words in your mouth and say um you know eat your first meal at noon eat your last meal at 8 p.m whatever it is um could you just give some raw contextual you know rough contextual framework um i mean obviously i'm going to encourage them to to read the biblio diet but um what are some of the just the foundational must-haves is it fermented foods is it um meat dairy fish uh avoiding uh And bottom feeders, which is where all, by the way, all the heavy metals are that come out in the excrement for fish.

1:04:59Gary Brecka:Fish secrete heavy metals in their feces and then things that are crawling around the bottom of the ocean are tabulizing that. But avoiding pork because of the high incidence of parasites mainly. So what are three, four, five simple, rough, contextual framework ideas that you would say this is a foundation for where you can begin this journey? Well, you nailed a lot of it. I would start with an eight-hour eating window. So 12 to eight, eventually get down maybe to four to eight, the four hours a day. This is if you're dealing with a lot of inflammation, if you've got some weight to lose, or if you're battling cancer or another illness.

1:05:35If you're not, if you just want to develop

1:05:36Gary Brecka:sort of a rough contextual framework for this is going to be the rest of my life. Oh, yeah, well, that's great for you. And I'm not dealing with any particular chronic disease. Which is rare these days. Yeah, no, it is. Sleep is critical. Go to sleep before 10 p.m. and wake up the same time every day. Yeah, huge on that. Get sunlight around noon if you can. Don't burn yourself. but make sure to get UVB rays. You gotta do it. And then when it comes to eating, when you consume dairy, A2 only at a minimum. It'll either be labeled A2 or it comes from a goat or a sheep. Right. A lot of the A2 is pasteurized and homogenized.

1:06:07Gary Brecka:It is. So if you can get raw A2 better, but if you can't get raw, then just do the pasteurized A2. And by the way, raw today, because you mentioned social media is so great. Back in the day, there wasn't a resource. You have to ask for the local goat lady at the health food store. Look up, just type in raw milk near me. Yeah. You might have to join a herd share. Everywhere I go, wherever I've lived, I find the illegal raw milk co-op. So you gotta do that. Prioritize protein. Meat is the center of your plate. Eat it first and eat it most. It's just the way it is. Eat it before you eat your vegetables.

1:06:39Always. Protein means of primary importance or that which comes first. So red meat is great. I eat it every day. I don't think it's a side dish. If you're gonna consume fish, I love wild sockeye salmon. You can get it canned. You can get it frozen all year round. Not only omega-3s, but astaxanthin. If you eat poultry, dark meat instead of white meat, that's where the minerals are, or make a soup and then you get collagen on top of it. Eat the skin if it's a pasture-raised or organic chicken. I love eggs. Make sure to consume them whole. But if you use them raw in smoothies, just the yolk. Bread needs to be just the yolk in smoothies raw.

1:07:18And why is that? The egg white contains something called avidin, which can bind to biotin. It's not terrible, but egg whites are actually better cooked. Okay. They're more easily absorbed.

1:07:29Gary Brecka:Yeah, I didn't mind over easy. Like when I do it, it's just like, so it's not completely runny, but the yolk is very runny. I love eggs. They're making me hungry. Yeah, yeah. And then I love dark colored fruits. Pomegranates, berries are great. I love consuming vegetables that are really fruits like squashes and zucchini, et cetera. Make sure to consume vegetables. I do not consume a lot of grain products other than sourdough or a whole grain, like a farro, which is emmer, something that is more ancient. I'll eat quinoa occasionally, but it's not sort of an everyday thing. If you eat potatoes, eat purple sweet potatoes.

1:08:05Why not get the most you can get out of your food? Drink pure water. And as I said before, believe, think good thoughts. I think that is so important because we live in a negative environment. where you have permission to say terrible things. You can mention your disease a thousand times, but if you say you're healed, you're a cockeyed optimist or an idiot. You've got to believe. And Gary, I'm a huge fan of all of the biohacking things, whether it's barefoot walking or forest bathing. I used to communicate with Clint Ober, the very first sort of grounding earthing guy when I was 19 years old. I mean, all this stuff is sort of coming back around again.

1:08:43All the things you're doing here. I love infrared sauna. I love the idea of getting cold exposure. I love making sure that blue light is minimized and that your balance with circadian rhythms black out when you sleep. But if you will get the foods right, consume a whole mineral salt. That's something that we both agree with. Every day, yeah. Very much wholeheartedly. So those are the basics. And you can eat meatloaf on the Biblio diet. I'll tell you how to make einkorn pizza on the Biblio diet, ice cream on the Biblio diet.

1:09:13Gary Brecka:Yeah. But it's gonna be in a way that the food has been consumed for thousands of years. It'll take you a little bit of work. But when you find those sources, you'll also find new friends that go to biological dentists. Maybe they homeschool their kids. Maybe they don't allow every vaccination known to man or every kind of junk food in the house. A lot of times you need to find your people, your tribe. Because when I was younger, I was embarrassed about what I ate because I was the only kid who ate natural foods. You know, think of it as Halloween, everybody else gives candy and we give sprouts, you know?

1:09:49So today it's cool. There's health food restaurants popping up. I heard of this nude Miami place. Oh yeah, yeah.

1:09:56Gary Brecka:I haven't been there yet, but I've seen all the - Yeah, you're in a hotbed right here. It's like the Air One of, you know, the Miami. Yeah, so those are all things anybody can do. The sleep's so important, it's free. drink pure water it's free think good thoughts it's free get sunshine it's free you said this so many times there's great biohacks red light's amazing i use it almost every day but yeah if you can't afford red light you can still forest bathing for me like rock walking you know to me i i i talk about it all the time i feel just as good after three and a half mile walk in the woods and in our colorado places i do getting out of yeah a million dollars in biohacking technology uh sometimes even better.

1:10:39Gary Brecka:But Al, and so that the contextual framework of the diet, that's amazing. Any must have herbs, tinctures, teas that we should be consuming on a regular basis that are either anti-parasitic, pro-detoxification, or, you know, anti-inflammatory. Are there some that we should just weave in, you know, as a part of our diet? There's sort of must haves on a weekly basis. You know, Gary, I've never hit a home run on the softball field, but you just logged me one, so I appreciate it. I love herbs and spices. Herbs are amazing. Spices are even better. Get as much of it as you can in your diet. In the Middle East, Jesus even chastised the Pharisees and said, you tithe dill, mint, and cumin.

1:11:25That means that was as valuable as gold. So consume dill and mint or herbs. Cumin's a spice. We know about turmeric and ginger. Spice your food up. That will be really important. But the main revelation that the Lord gave me for the Biblio diet is to consume fruit tree leaves in the form of a tea. I call it healing leaves. There are two verses in the Bible, Ezekiel 47, 12 and Revelation 22, 2, that says the fruit will be for food and the leaves for healing or the leaves are for the healing of the nations. Gary, in 2019, God spoke to me almost verbally, almost audibly. and I knew I was gonna devote my life to that.

1:12:07So for the last seven years, I've been planting orchards on my farms, consuming and harvesting fruit tree leaves. When I drove in my ride here -

1:12:15Gary Brecka:So you harvest the fruit and then you take the leaves and what do you do? Just dry them to make a tea. Make a tea or do it fresh. So when I was driving here, I saw a beautiful mango tree in someone's yard. Mango leaves are antiviral. They're anti-HIV. They're anti-parasitic. My goats, sheep, and livestock, they don't get dewormed. They eat leaves because they naturally deworm. They have similar compounds and a similar result to what ivermectin would have. So I started calling people in 2019 asking to buy avocado leaves and mango leaves. I traveled all over Israel looking for fruit trees, Kenya, India.

1:12:48So fruit tree leaves are some of the least popular herbs. People throw them away, they compost them. They are powerful. So I take a blend of 12 fruit tree leaves. I give a recipe in the book. You've probably heard of soursop or graviola. That's a great one. Olive leaves are amazing. I take a little soursop shot every day. Raspberry leaves are amazing. So I have been cultivating a big part of my life, this idea that I want the world to consume healing leaves instead of tea. Now, tea is fine, but if God says the fruit will be for food.

1:13:21Gary Brecka:But you boil it, right? Yeah, you do. Yeah, absolutely. And it's antiparasitic, antifungal, antiviral, antibacterial. You can find science on that. Not a lot, but enough. Yeah. It's anti-inflammatory. It lowers blood sugar if yours is elevated and it's immune boosting, containing allagic acid, chlorogenic acid, caffeic acid. Get this. Quercetin is amazing and it became popular during COVID. Yes. Quercetin was discovered in an oak leaf, Gary. Wow. Oak, the genus is Quercus. So if you have a white oak, it's Quercus alba. So you can go in your yard if it's not sprayed in May through July, which is when they're at their most nutrient dense, cut oak leaves, boil water, and have quercetin, gallic acid, ellagic acid.

1:14:08And they have tannins that help to either tighten or loosen tissue, depending on what you need. Our medicine is around us. Dr. Josh Axe, our mutual friend said this. He said, money doesn't grow on trees, but medicine does.

1:14:21Gary Brecka:Yeah, well, I like that one. Jordan, absolutely amazing. For my audience that wants to know more about you, obviously I'm gonna put a link to the Biblio Diet in the podcast notes. Where can they find you on social media? I spent the last 10 years helping Josh build his social media. I just started in July. So I have an Instagram, Jordan S. Rubin. I'll send him over to him. And I do have a new podcast coming that'll drop next month as well. And jordanrubin.com, you can get the free healing prayer for cancer. You can get chapter 14 of the Biblio Diet free, which is the healing leaves recipe. You can make it anywhere around the world if you're listening because fruit tree leaves are an abundant resource and when we cut them, the trees grow even better.

1:15:03So it's amazing. And if you're battling cancer or a serious disease, pray that prayer three times a day out loud. I've heard miracles when people's mouth then gets their mind and heart to line up with what they want instead of reading all the horrible news, six months, you're gonna die, listening to people cursing you. that is not the environment you need to live in. You need to live in hope. Vitamin H is the most deficient nutrient we have. I agree with you, vitamin H. In the world.

1:15:35Gary Brecka:Yeah, so I wind down all of my podcasts by asking my guests the same question. And there's no right or wrong answer to this question, but what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? My goal every day and for the end of my life is two things, to love God and love people. The golden rule is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And I need to do a better job of it, but I know I'm here on earth to continue to do that. The Bible says to whom much is given, much is expected or required. And it's my duty to help people who are on a journey and want healing. So that's how I become an ultimate human.

1:16:12And God can say, hopefully, well done, my good and faithful servant.

1:16:16Gary Brecka:Yeah, Jordan Rubin, amazing. There's so much to unpack here. We really covered a lot of ground, but it was very inspirational. Thank you for coming on the Old Testament podcast. Thank you so much for having me. And we're going to follow your journey. Thank you. And until next time, guys, that's just science.