308. Dr. Will Cole: Insulin Resistance Is Fueling Your Cellular Aging

23:04And that's granular, depending on what loves your body back. Not just what you eat, but when you eat. And you look at the research of people talking about a lot of chronic health problems being chronobiological in nature, meaning we're back to the fasting piece. We're always eating foods that don't love us back and we're not giving our body a break from that. So that cellular siesta, that fasting that we talked about earlier, we need that because that helps to shift your cells to more of a healing state. It's our relationship to light and dirty light. and that's throwing off our cellular clocks.

23:37And there are cells have lost track of time because we're in front of our blue light with our phones all day long. And it's throwing off that sleep-wake cycle. And then the other things real quick, and we can dive into any one of these, but I would say environmental toxins, obviously, herbicides, pesticides, microplastics, forever chemicals, heavy metals. And then I would put biotoxins on there like mold. But I would like to get your take on this is I think the mold conversation is at least exacerbated because of EMFs because mold has always been toxic. I mean, the Bible talks about mold. Leviticus says to burn the house down, but thank the Lord we have remediators now.

24:14We don't have to do that. But I do think that mold spores are so, mycotoxins are so more irritated from the constant electricity, man-made EMFs that we are exposed to where it's making a bad problem worse.

24:27Gary Brecka:Yes. And then I would say this, like you said, it's stress and trauma. it's some sort of mental, emotional, spiritual thing. Chronic stress, unresolved trauma, spiritual disconnection from God and with other humans. That in a nutshell, so to answer the question is, what are the areas that I just said that are creating dysregulation for yourselves? For some people, it's gonna be more food. For some people, when you run labs, it's more environmental toxins. For some people, it's their relationships or unresolved trauma in their life or their relationship with God, spiritual disconnection. For a lot of us, it's going to be the entourage effect of a lot of different things.

25:04Right. That it's like, yeah, you don't have to have it all figured out, but you need to start having a hard conversation with yourself of what's causing cellular dysregulation in your body.

25:13Gary Brecka:Yeah, and I love that you actually point out, everything that you're talking about is the environment, the terrain within us. And, you know, stress comes from our outside environment. but you see people that have extraordinary levels of stress from the outside looking in, they're calm as a cucumber. I mean, they're just managing and handling it. Some of the most prominent type A, burn the candle at both ends, entrepreneur-minded clients that I've had have been some of the most centered and calm. If you look at their life from the outside, it seems very chaotic. And it seems overtly demanding, but they have a handle on it and inflammatory markers are low.

26:01Gary Brecka:Cellular health is in good shape. They're also doing all the things and they manage it. Other people, stress becomes a breaking point. And I love that you also pointed out how multifactorial it is. If you're bathing yourselves in a toxic soup and all of these environmental toxins and they've gone unaddressed and then you add the stress bucket to it, now you're at a breaking point. And it's hard to say, and I know people when they watch a podcast want you to give them the one thing, the thing. It's this. And if you fix this, everything gets better. Yeah. But the truth is, you know, it's too multifactorial when you talk about human beings.

26:40Gary Brecka:And I think it's probably why this book is gonna end up being such an appropriate, the timing of the book is gonna be so appropriate because how first would we evaluate cellular health? When you say a cell is healthy, what do you mean? Yeah, you mentioned mitochondria. I mean, it would be hard to find someone not impacted by mitochondrial dysfunction that's struggling with some sort of chronic health problem or even just suboptimal health. Like there's gonna be a component to why they feel the way that they do is gonna be mitochondrial dysfunction. But I mean, the mitochondria are, I mean, just the genesis of it, the idea that mitochondria have their own DNA, It's wild to me.

27:24I mean, depending on how you look at it from more of a secular or a spiritual standpoint or both, really thought it should be one and the same, is that the idea that at creation, at the dawn of time, that these sort of bacteria, these soil-based organisms were engulfed in human cells and now they're living in every cell of our body, communicating to our microbiome. Mitochondria are descendants of ancient bacteria. We're from the dust of the earth, the Bible says. So whether you believe in God or not, I mean, there's something to be said through the creation process that we have bacteria in every cell of our body.

27:58And they're stressed out. So as people can have leaky gut syndrome, which we talked about, and then people can have increased blood-brain barrier permeability, what does that mean? That means the gut cells are more permeable or the blood-brain barrier cells are more permeable. But ultimately, what's really happening? All of those systems and organs are made up of cells. The cells are actually leaky. The mitochondria are leaky. they're supposed to create ATP or cellular energy but they're starting to leak these reactive oxygen species they're these pro-inflammatory cells so it's like the hermetic phrase as above so below as within so without our cells are defensive our cells feel really all the things that I just mentioned about stressing our cells out our cells feel unsafe because when really it could all be boiled down to this when mankind pretends to be God there's unintended consequences and sometimes intended consequences.

28:51And that's what we're paying for the price. That's why there's human discord in our life. And that's why there's physiological climate change, if you will, in the form of chronic inflammation and cellular confusion. So, I mean, how you figure out, to answer your question more pointedly, specific biomarkers you would want to run. You could look at clinical biomarkers. I would say the average, easy to get labs that could show how quickly or how slowly your cells are aging from a global standpoint, it's looking at insulin resistance. Because we know that's gasoline on cellular aging. I mean, upwards of 93 % of the United States is insulin resistant.

29:29That is a gasoline on cellular aging fire. So to look at your glucose, fasting blood sugar, we want it under 90 in functional medicine. Your A1C under 5.5. Triglycerides under 100, that's your circulating fat. HGL or good cholesterol, we want it above 59. And those inflammation markers, high sensitivity C-reactive protein, HSCRP, we want under one. Homocysteine, we want under seven. And then if you have access to it, still a conventional lab, running a nuclear magnetic resonance, like looking at the small dense LDL particles. Understanding your metabolic health is important. Is that understanding every cellular, the uneven aging that Stanford was looking at?

30:13No, there's a test called SymphonyAge It's from True Diagnostics. We run it for telehealth patients. It was in partnership with Yale. So it's not apples to apples. Stanford was looking at these specific proteins, which I think they're working on a direct-to-consumer lab. Like an age? Yeah, probably similar to, I don't know what, yeah, it's a certain protein. So they're able to look at specific tissues of that organ, the Stanford study that I talked about early. So they're working on that. But as close to apples to apples as you can get, it's this DNA methylation test from true diagnostic called symphony age, which I have no connection to them, but they just are something that we utilize clinically.

30:49They look at 11 organs, just like Stanford looked at 11 organs. Looking at DNA methylation, they look at over 100 ,000 different DNA methylation sites and correspond that to clinical biomarkers and morbidity case studies. And to understand where the different organs are aging. So we do have access to that now is what I'm trying to say. It's a blood spot test. So I would look at the blood spot DNA methylation and you can look and see, okay, maybe this person's heart is aging faster. This next person, their brain is aging faster. And you can give specific therapeutics, recommendations, foods to focus on, whatever it is, to be a little bit more organ specific to that person because the cells of that organ are aging more rapidly.

31:33And that's where I think getting precision, getting precise on the rapidity of someone's organ aging faster will be more effective because maybe like globally they're pretty much fine but that organ is a problem for them and i think someone like my dad could have benefited from being more organ specific um and beyond

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32:22Gary Brecka:It's my favorite now. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. So you get this methylated gene test and you get this basic panel with some of the classic inflammatory markers, HSCRP, insulin resistance. When you get that data back, then what do you do? Talk about maybe some journeys that you've walked on with some patients that came in with what you found what and treated it how. Because I think really landing this for the audience is important. Number one, extends hope. And number two, someone is going to identify with the story you're about to tell. yeah there's so many people come to mind there we talk a lot about case we talk about a lot of case studies in heal yourselves because i agree with you like hearing other people's story helps you to know that you're not alone yeah and it helps to metabolize your own stress to know that you're not alone like we were talking about community before we started recording that even just reading about other people's story to know how to get to the other side of what seems impossible is profoundly it sparks hope it sparks like i'm not alone i'm not crazy right i knew i knew what was going on because you start to doubt your intuition whenever you're gaslit in a system that doesn't listen to you right so i i hear you um there was one person that comes to mind her name's lindsey we talk about her in the book and she's still a telehealth patient with me now i just saw her on a group call last week she's doing amazing but when she met me man she was bedridden this is someone that was on on tv in the public space doing different things in that world of sort of anchoring shows and hosting things like that and um she could eat five foods she and when i say five foods it was a handful i don't know the exact number but it was under 10 foods uh where every food just didn't love her body back just histamine yeah histamine response exactly histamine response she's reacting to everything FODMAPs histamines oxalates all of it uh and it wasn't the food's fault it was stressing and already stressed out she had no resilience the food was stressing out and already stressed out immune system so we ran and she'd seen lots of doctors lots of conventional doctors a lot of people in the functional medicine space it wasn't a lack of brilliance at addition from the doctors I mean they all know all the best studies out there but it was putting all the pieces together acting sort of like a clinical quarterback for her to see okay what is what were the missing pieces there so she had it was mold it was emf sensitivity that was exacerbating the mold so yeah we're always going to be exposed to emfs guys so don't unless you're going to go off the grid and live in montana and a yurt somewhere but it's about building resilience living in a modern world doing the best you can doesn't have to be perfect, but we started emptying that proverbial bucket.

35:20Your bucket is, to even use the cell analogy, some people, if your cells are a bucket, some people have a capacity to handle more than others. That's your methylation gene variance or HLA or detoxification gene variance. The more single and double gene variants you have, these SNPs, that's going to shrink that proverbial cellular bucket. You can't change the bucket size, but you can change what you put in So that's going to be the mold, the stress and trauma was a massive piece for her too. And it still is something she's working on. Actually, just was telling me last week. So it's dealing with the physiological and the mental, emotional, spiritual.

35:58All those things that I talked about earlier that kind of cause cellular, the cells to be unsafe. What makes the cells feel unsafe? So the things that were causing her cells to feel unsafe was the mold piece, the over-EMF exposure that was exacerbating the mold toxins. the mold was releasing more mycotoxins because the mold was irritated by the EMFs. And then it causes her cells to be more permeable to receive more of the mold toxins. And I would say building gut resilience is of course part of that, but how can you do that when your nervous system feels completely fight or flight all the time?

36:33So nervous system regulation was a massive piece dealing with the stress and trauma.

36:38Gary Brecka:And I want to come back and peel that back because I think you're hitting on a really, really strong point. I don't want to interrupt your thought thread. No, no, no, interrupt only one. But when we talk about stress management, and I think that's sort of such a great catch-all term, but people are like, yeah, but how do I manage stress? First of all, what do you want me to get rid of my spouse, get rid of my kids and quit my job? Because that's where my stress comes from, is my kids, my spouse, and my job. And so living in a modern world, we have to become, in some cases, we have no choice but to adapt.

37:09Gary Brecka:And what are some of the practices, like practical practices people could use to adapt. I know what I do, but. Well, I would say to the author Eckhart Tolle, I think gives a lot of helpful practical advice here. He talks about what's your relationship with the present moment. Are you using, are you making friends with the present moment? Do you see it as a means to an end or do you see it as an enemy? Because when you're talking about current chronic stress and then unresolved past trauma is another thing. But if we're just talking about current stress, what's your relationship with life itself?

37:41what's your relationship with the present moment

37:42Gary Brecka:wow that's a really good one and burn and and and boil it every situation that's stressing you out a bit and I tell telehealth patients this all the time can you can you maybe it's this stressful thing at work right or maybe it's a relationship can you change it leave it or accept it pick one of those three things because if you're not picking one of those three things you're creating dysregulation for yourself cellular unsafety for yourself and everyone around you because a frenetic stress, dysregulated person is going to impact, it's going to sabotage your relationships. So change, leave or accept it.

38:18So maybe it's a stressful thing at work. Maybe, can you quit your job? I see some telehealth patients quit their job because it's really toxic for them, but maybe they can't. That's not practical for a lot of people. Maybe they can change it. Maybe they could go and speak up for themselves and advocate for themselves and have the tough conversations, job or relationship, right? Or maybe it's accept. Maybe you can't change or leave it. So that's the analogy that you said, like for your kids, right? You can't, hopefully you're not gonna leave your kids, right? But can you find what the Bible calls the peace that passes all understanding?

38:50Can you do radical acceptance? It's called radical for a reason because it's this deep spiritual work of saying, you know what, God, I can't change or leave it right now, but can you give me peace despite my circumstances right now? They need to have that come to Jesus moment for themselves in any situation that's causing them stress. That's deep work.

39:08Gary Brecka:Leave it or accept it. Pick one of the three. And journaling is another thing that I have people, every telehealth patient do. 20 minutes a day, it's called journal speak. It is metabolizing stored stress and trauma in the body because that stress and trauma, you're in a resistance to the present moment or what's happening from the past that's living in your body. It's creating a lot of cellular and safety. So putting pen to paper, pencil to paper and writing out 20 minutes a day, a good prompt can be, what does it feel like to be me today? Which is kind of a heavy question for someone that doesn't feel good or is stressed out in their life.

39:42Writing things you never would say to anybody out loud and purging that from your body, it's like a sort of a somatic detox that can happen when you release that. Because we know the things, what stress and rage and shame and trauma will do to you on a cellular level. It will make your cell, it's the cell defense response, the cell danger response. your cells cannot differentiate a physiological threat and a mental, emotional, spiritual threat. I agree. What can you do to make your cells feel safe? And for some people, it's their relationship with light with the present moment. For some people, it's their things that in their past they have to deal with.

40:18But you have to deal with the mental, emotional, spiritual just as much, if not more, than you deal with the physical. Because even when you talk about food, like how many people are in self-sabotage with food because of the mental, emotional, spiritual? They can't even stick to a protocol or some sort of way of eating because of these past programming they have from their stress or trauma.

40:40Gary Brecka:I love that. You know, journaling is a way to, there's an old business book called Put the Moose on the Table. And I use it all the time in my company. And it's basically take the biggest problem, put it under the brightest light. And they give a lot of historical context around this, but how the best relationships, the best companies, the best governments were all, one of the central themes was they took the hardest thing and they put it on the brightest light. And sometimes I think people have a lot of shame around reaching out, but journaling can be very interpersonal. You don't have to share it with your spouse.

41:16Gary Brecka:You don't have to share it with your family, but it can be a way for you to, as you say, metabolize that stress. But if you pretend like there's no moose on the table, then it just sort of eats you from the inside. It totally does. And it's, yeah, it creates a cascade of dysfunction on the inside and the outside yeah and you know i found in clients of mine that you know when we frame sleep you know i remind them sleep is not about being tired it's about your body feeling safe to shut off when you look at broad categories of disease you know there's what 82 of all autoimmune disease found in women um that doesn't mean autoimmune disease is selected by sex selected by weakness and what makes them weak is like internalizing a lot of emotion um and uh and and and then that becomes like the termites that just nibble away cellular health um i want to get back down uh to the cell too because what what are you know so first you you you're framing the mental emotional spiritual impact on cellular health um let's move to toxicity because I think now finally we are starting to accept in mainstream allopathic medicine that yeah maybe metals mold mycotoxins parasites viruses glyphosate forever chemicals can can create these events that don't show up on normal labs right we always talk about the patient is fine on the, on the lab, but it's a disaster sitting in your office.

42:53Gary Brecka:Yeah. And so, you know, someone that wants to go on that detox journey, where does that framing start? Yeah. I would say it can start with, it starts with food and targeted ways to support something that we talk about in the book that's in all of this research in the scientific literature, you're looking at cellular rejuvenation, right? For lack of better words, is xenohormesis is one thing that comes to mind. Like we know hormetic effects are one way to buff that scratch CDA record so your cell can recognize what it's supposed to do. So it is like a cell bootcamp, a cellular somatic baptism, if you will, is different ways to do it.

43:38So fasting is one way to do it. That's a hormetic effect. ketogenic diet, fasting mimicking, actually fasting or fasting mimicking diets like the ketogenic diet. It's lowering these pro-growth pathways like mTOR and increasing things like autophagy, which is cellular recycling, increasing mitophagy, mitochondrial autophagy. Your body knows what to do. You just need to give it a chance to do so. So you need to lower pathways like mTOR, which is needed to build muscle, but you don't want to always be high. Your cell thinks, okay, I'm in pro-growth mode, but we need to be in repair mode more than ever before.

44:16And finding that balance of growth, but also repair. But the specific food that comes to mind of focusing on are these xenohormetic compounds, which is just like fasting or cold punching or sauna or all of these different ways. Red light, they're all hermetic, but xenohormesis comes from plant compounds that have gone through stressful things in their life. So think of it as like plants that went through hard times where it's like, maybe it's the soil was drought. It was the heat of the sun. It was bugs biting it. Think of the deep colored rich pigments in things like berries and the pomegranates or the bitterness of extra virgin olive oil or the bitterness of rosemary, thyme, basil, herb, or the bright colored aspects of turmeric.

45:03The bitterness and the bright colors, focusing on those things, as long as they love your digestion back, to tolerance, teach ourselves like the stress that the life that that plant went through, the cells of that plant teach ourselves to be stronger, to be more resilient, to repair. A lot of these compounds are senolytics. Like they break down these senescent pro-zombie cells that are pro-inflammatory. These zombie cells will, just like if you're dysregulated, if our cells dysregulated, it creates dysregulation in the whole organ that's there. So those plant compounds that I talked about there, whether it be extra virgin olive oil, like a bitter tea, oolong puerh tea, green tea, herbs and spices, berries, pomegranates, the bitterness, the bright colors are a way to help with cellular repair mechanisms.

45:56I think it's a profound tool because it helps with cell repair.

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46:36Gary Brecka:Ready to unlock the best version of yourself? Try WHOOP for one month on us and start the journey towards a healthier you. Head to joinwhoop.com forward slash ultimate. That's joinwhoop.com forward slash ultimate to get started. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. And then when you find yourself in the presence of some of these, let's say that you've done one of the classic tests for toxicity, like environment wellness or total toxicity test or any number of tests. And you find the presence of these metals, metals and molds, I think big ones. Then how do we start to incorporate specific detox into our lives?

47:19Gary Brecka:because like we said, these people are the ones that are doing all the things. I love that the practice of journaling. I love the framing of either accept it, get rid of it, or what was it? Change, leave, and accept. Change, leave, and accept. Sorry, I forgot to answer your question about detoxing. Yeah, I want to get into that. Yeah, so the food is first, but then supplements like glutathione, obviously, like the tripeptide of glutathione. but the bitterness, that's where I lost my train of thought, sorry, is that the bitterness, like things like sulforaphane, like broccoli sprouts, these are, these flavonoids, these polyphenols, these anthocyanins, these sulfur compounds, all of these foods that I just mentioned help with cellular detox.

48:04So that's combination of it helps to upregulate these cellular repair mechanisms and detox. And then from there, the supplements can be glutathione, I love activated charcoal, zeolite, diatomaceous earth, these binders that can be good. And what else? Sweating is another one. Just huge sweat. And if you don't have access to a sauna, do an Epsom salt bath. Do hot yoga and just work out. Get in the sun. Even your relationship with light and actually God-made light, not our fake dirty light that humans make. But like getting outside, getting your feet in the earth, that changes actually the electrical frequency of the earth shifts our own cellular electrical system to allow ourselves to feel safe.

48:54So it can do what it was supposed to do, which is to protect you and to clear these environmental toxins. And then the light therapy helps to reset that cell clock. But also if you're sweating, then you've got multiple benefits from some healthy amounts of sunlight. and then from there you can get nitty gritty like I think you just did therapeutic plasma did you do my re-inusphoresis

49:16Gary Brecka:yeah okay but I've done TPE too yeah therapeutic plasma exchange has an amazing place for someone that done all the things I just said I think TPE and things like TPE can be a wonderful tool to okay you've done all the core stuff but these numbers aren't moving where I want them to be these glyphosate levels or whatever environmental toxin you're talking about. And I think that's where these more advanced therapeutics can be helpful. I'm actually really excited for, you know, TPE you can do here in the US. Inus for resus, not yet, but it's coming. And I know there's a lot of states that are expanding right to try, for example.

49:56I want to say it's Montana and New Jersey

50:00Gary Brecka:or New Hampshire that have already expanded their state right to try. Meaning if you have a debilitating, I mean, if you have a terminal or debilitating illness, it used to be just terminal when the medical system had given up on you and you were terminally ill. But what if the medical system has given up on you and you're just chronically ill? And so I'm excited about the horizon that I see there. And same with stem cells, you mentioned like state lights, like we have it, you have it here in Florida, right? Florida's a great state. Yeah, but the mechanism how those work is that they, we talk about mitochondria.

50:38One of the mechanisms is that there are these tunneling microtubules. The stem cell therapy, the stem cells actually donate their own mitochondria to your cells to say, you've got this. I'll give you my own mitochondria so you can actually heal and repair itself. So I think stem cells and sort of cellular communication that they can improve to, again, allow your cell to recognize what it was meant to do all along and reprogram, if you will, I think these emerging therapies really, the way that they work in part, if not exclusively, is because they're improving cellular communication so the cell can actually function the way God created it.

51:16Gary Brecka:Yeah, you know, cells communicate, stem cells communicate by these things, secretomes or what we call exosomes. Yeah. And we can even isolate those and use those to provide additional growth factors and high molecular weight hyaluronic acid. And I can tell you that in tissue and wound repair specifically, as well as other areas, neurocognitive decline. I've seen with my own eyes, you know, some of the benefits of these. And I'm also encouraged by that. Just to back up for a second, the people that don't know what therapeutic plasma exchange is, can you just give us a broad description of it? So it's taking a certain portion of blood and get put, and there's different ways.

51:55I think different clinics and different protocols do it differently, but are replacing your plasma with a synthesized albumin. is that how most of them do it? Like a sterile lab. Yeah. So it's a way to do a deep cleaning in the blood, which is ultimately the cells.

52:12Gary Brecka:Right. For somebody that I've seen, okay, we can get mold toxins or environmental toxins down 80 % and then without it. And then that's filling in the gap for these areas where the body's just not letting go, it's holding it on. So it's a way to do some deep cellular cleansing. Yeah. I noticed when I did it, I did the first treatment and then i puffed up like a puffer fish so did my wife interesting like puffy eyes um my joints felt very stiff my hands were um swollen i was talking to uh the physician and at the clinic and he said that's perfectly normal if you reduce the concentration in the blood plasma you're going to have migration from the tissues so your body's behaving exactly as it should.

52:58Gary Brecka:And now I just got my last toxic swimmer back and it was all in the green for the first time. And I'm one of those people's doing all the things, right? So it was like, you know, some of those words I couldn't even pronounce. I'm like, what the hell is jet fuel in my life? Where's the jet fuel coming from? Where's the, where's the accelerant from a raid can, you know? Yes. That's what I'm talking about. These sort of gnarly things that are like, okay, where's this person even getting it? He's not a pilot. Where's the jet fuel coming? But that's how broken and messed up our world is it's like you have to do a deep cellular cleansing sometime now you don't have to start there it's like you've never done something healthy don't go to say like okay let's do tpe but it's there for people who need it and want it and yeah i i want these things to become more accessible for people because i think it'll save lives yeah when you look at the mechanism of action of why you someone can do all the things and die from a heart attack or stroke or get cancer or have an autoimmune condition it's these type of things that are just a product of again, mankind's brokenness.

53:58Gary Brecka:Well, Dr. Cole, Heal Yourselves, I think right place, right time. And I think instead of being ahead of its time, it's at the right time because I think the world is ready and longing for a book like this. I think that we have sufficiently woken up post-pandemic, whatever you want to credit for doing this, on a global scale and level of curiosity out there right now. and the thirst for information. So I appreciate the timing of this book. And I know you and Dr. Axe both put your heart and soul into it. I'll put a link to the book in my show notes. I want to take you into my VIP community because they have a lot of questions for you.

54:41Gary Brecka:But before we go in there, I wind down all my podcasts by asking my guests the same question. What does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

54:52Yeah. Let me think of how I would answer this. I would say, look, we talk a lot about in the book today, we talked a lot about today, about adding life, adding years to your life. And I love the latest longevity science as much as anybody else, right? This is what we do. I have a passion for it. But a lot, we can lose the plot sometimes and just this, it becomes a sort of fear-based thing of the fear of death or the promise for the future. but okay, I don't want to operate like that. How can we add life to your years in the here and now? And I see so many people they've so in our space, they're sort of the biohacker space.

55:36I think you and I've talked about this before offline is that they are so kind of looking for the future and not enjoying their life now. You know, it's like, oh, we're just, we're doing this protocol and that protocol. And we're just like, it's all consuming all the health stuff. I think the ultimate human is remembering your place in this and remember the human part of that. And like, what's your relationships like? What's your relationship with God? Like, how are you, like, are you enjoying your life? Like, why are you doing all this wellness stuff? It should be to be someone that has the fruits of the spirit in your life.

56:12Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, is goodness, self-control. Like that's the product, that's the manifestation of someone that I think is why that you should be doing the wellness stuff, all the wellness stuff. I guess another way of saying it is just remembering your why and letting your why be something noble.

56:33Gary Brecka:Yeah, love that, man. That is a great explanation. Guys, I will put a link to the book in the show notes. If my audience wants to find out more about you, where can they find you? Thanks, man. everything's at drwillcole.com d-r-w-i-l-l-c-o-l-e the links to heal your cells to telehealth my podcast which you've been on the art of being well and let me just say before we wrap up like thank you so so so much for just being like the same the person that everybody sees you're like this in real life thank you you're just you are a blessing to so many people whether the world sees it or not and most of the time they actually don't see it and not everybody's like that some people there's like an on camera version of them and then there's they're different you are who you are which is a blessing to people and that is the ultimate human actually and you practice what you preach truly in the unseen and I just wanted to say that it really means a lot to me I really do appreciate that and especially coming from someone like you that means quite a bit to me and until next time guys that's just science