Dr. Daniel Pompa: How Heavy Metal Poisoning Destroys Your Health

19:48Gary Brecka:I believe that. Yeah. And I would ultimately say, well, you know, Bruce Lipton, I'm sure you probably, yeah.

19:54Dr. Daniel Pompa:Yeah. I mean, he showed the intelligence, the innate intelligence. That means the inborn intelligence in the human body literally is in the membrane. That's what he determined. It's in the integral membrane proteins, right? It's like he's spot on, right? We used to think it was in the nucleus. No, it's not in the nucleus. If you take the nucleus out and he showed this out of a cell, the cell lives on and it even does its functions. It's a white blood cell. it will go after bad guys right but if you destroy with enzymes these hormone receptors in the membrane dead instant death right so life and death is in the membranes and that's r2 if we don't regenerate them we're never going to get well you're not even going to get the good stuff in your cell and the bad stuff out it doesn't matter what supplements you take what diet you eat so we have to fix the membranes r3 is restoring cellular energy okay if you don't restore cellular energy, this is one parallel.

20:46Dr. Daniel Pompa:There's something called the Gibbs free energy equation. That means that you need a certain amount of ATP, two molecules to make one molecule glutathione. And glutathione is how your body deals with oxidation and inflammation and detoxification pathway, right? That's how it's getting things out of the cell and renewing things, right? So energy drops, glutathione drops, but here's what the equation says. Inflammation goes up. so now we're in this perpetual cycle you see and then r4 is you have to reduce inflammation and you know a lot of dietary things that we're talking about these are sequential no you work them as you can right you know but and then lastly r5 and this is a topic you love methylation yep methylation glutathione and methylation parallel each other one's down the other's down one's up the other's up they parallel each other and uh the energy pathways methylation obviously DNA genes getting triggered, turned on and off.

21:43Dr. Daniel Pompa:We have to reestablish and that's the R reestablish methylation. And look, I, you know, I know you, you know, you do a lot of, that's a fit. That's your R right there. You know, a lot about it. You do. And I appreciate that because people need to hear the message, but when people are sick and challenged, they often say, cause you do a lot of the genetic testing. I'm always like, look, I are, I just assume you're methyl depleted because people that are sick and toxic i don't care what your snip is your genetic your gene you are depleted in methylation when you're neurotoxically challenged and not well so no matter what we have to re-establish it and uh it you know obviously it's a big deal there's a principle i you should find this gentleman i always give him credit for it um his name is uh veninsky alan veninsky dr alan veninsky the methylation priority principle methylation priority principle

22:37Gary Brecka:Yes.

22:37Dr. Daniel Pompa:And here's the principle. And people are going to get a good lesson. What it shows is, first of all, all stress, physical, chemical, or emotional, deplete methyl groups. Simple carbon and three hydrogen, because many reasons. You need that carbon and three hydrogen's methyl group to activate a stress response. You need it to turn off the stress response. Cortisol, adrenaline, all of it, right? It's survival. The priority is it will use methyl groups for that survival mechanism, first and foremost. Here's the problem. The stress mechanism. That's right. The stress mechanism. So it's prioritizing methylation to that.

23:15Dr. Daniel Pompa:Now, we also know that you need methylation to get rid of toxic hormones, 4-hydroxyestrone that can drive cancer and all these. So when you do a 24-hour urine hormone, you oftentimes see people who have dangerous levels of 4-hydroxyestrogen or 16. and then their methylation is depleted.

23:34Gary Brecka:Yes. And that's why even on the Dutch test, you see that the - That's the Dutch test. The COMT, you'll see that catecholomethyltransferase gene mutation is actually on there right down by the E2 pathway. It says, you know, is this working or is it not?

23:47Dr. Daniel Pompa:Yeah. And by the way, people that stress bucket, physical, chemical, emotional, and it's at the top or overflowing, meaning a lot of toxic stress. The body, I said this once, I'll say it again, the body doesn't know the difference of stress, physical, chemical, or emotional. Once it builds up and that bucket is full, your methylation is being tagged. So the methylation priority principle is we're shoveling it to there. And what problem is, is now we're not protecting our DNA. Now we're not making proteins. Now we're not getting rid of toxic estrogen or toxic hormones or androgens. So, you know, that that's a principle that I learned from him many, many years ago.

24:26Dr. Daniel Pompa:I'm actually going to look that up. Yeah. Yeah. Methylation priority principle.

24:29Gary Brecka:yeah methylation yeah you'll you'll love it and alan vaninski alan credit vaninski all right alan i'm coming to give you some credit and i'm reading your book if you've got one interview all right and i'll interview you um you know i um i've had a lot of guests on on the podcast and i get a lot of requests i mean recently um dr gabrielle line was was on the podcast and she actually did someone posted on her social media that um i have a tendency and we have a tendency as biohackers and she was actually absolutely right about this too um to be men to talk about men to service men to always talk about male hormones and and the journey that a lot of men have been on i want to sort of transition this to the females for a moment and female hormone therapy and pre-menopause perimenopausal women postmenopausal women um you know how much of this cellular inflammatory cycle and these these five r's are affecting women that are pre or

25:30Dr. Daniel Pompa:post-menopausal more yeah yeah perimenopause a lot of things happen right and women are hormonally more complex than men in a good way it can work it can work for them live longer i've seen both sides of that equation exactly absolutely yeah okay now we got to keep the ladies with us here there's an answer but more warm women are affected by autoimmune more women have thyroid complications and i think clear too and let's talk about why but after covid uh more women i think 54 percent um ridiculous number of women ended up with thyroid strain struggle diagnosisy i was like wow you know because again what happened in covid very odd virus if your stress bucket was already really full many people became what we call long haulers post-covid right i think it's like one out of six now people are saying i just still don't feel well since well it may be of the therapies from it or who knows right but you know they're complicating solution created a lot but look a few things happen in perimenopause your hormones are adjusting it's actually very normal to remodel bone estrogen levels are naturally coming down and you start to women start to lose bone a lot of lead is stored in the bone matter of fact most of it many women dump lead i'll tell you another time that happens during pregnancy it's normal to lose bone during pregnancy but out comes the lead four generations inherited lead in utero four generations wow yeah so and we also inherit the epigenetics the genes being turned on but meaning if your mom had lead then you do in four generations wow my and this has happened to my wife my wife during perimenopause started getting different weird hormone things going on right and we weren't just going to chase it with hormones so we started digging we did the dutch test okay and her methylation was tanked and we started and she had a buildup of four hydroxy estrone her mother died for hydroxy estrone is a toxic potentially toxic estrogen metabolism very good at binding water too which helps women and we know it can could drive cancer particularly breast cancer her mother had breast cancer wow when about treating it you know standard uh way through medicine uh chemo etc ended up well she was considered a cure and then 10 years later because i said joyce you didn't really get to the cause of what's going on you know at that time i wasn't even sure but 10 years later she ended up diagnosed with uterine cancer two years later she died my wife was heading down the same exact road hormonally wow well we were trying to support her methylation in every way possible and it just wasn't coming up and long story short we did a heavy metal test same test i did her lead was off the chart i mean off the chart literally off the chart and so i started reflecting my son who had these gi problems she having the symptoms of um just hormone toxicity yeah exactly and some hormone things and like you know lead has a little pattern different than mercury right she didn't have the same symptoms i had a lot of joint pain yeah mercury's fear did i was bloated with fear anger irritability anxiety you know horrible feeling of dread in the middle of the night i would wake up just with a feeling of dread you know horrible depression you know I had it all so I became someone I wasn't but my wife's symptoms were different so my son had these GI issues and we ate perfect diet fed our kids amazing uh tested his lead off the chart my next one which we called the Banshee and he had these skin things off the chart they got their lead from the mother she got her lead from the mother I'm saying this to say like look it's normal to lose bone out comes the lead you know Mercury same thing there's a study called the drash study it's a german study that showed sorry ladies but the number of silver fillings that you have or your mom is proportional to how much they found in the baby's brain on autopsy studies wow and that that's very very accurate because these are you know autopsies from you know dead fetuses and the amount of mercury correlated to the amount of fillings in the mouth to make fillings yeah so we're born into some of these toxins my point is is that bucket that I'm talking about starts filling in utero and then through life, you know, what morning homes did you live in?

29:58Dr. Daniel Pompa:What, you know, what other exposures contact lens fluid? If you look at my story, I wore contact lenses in the seventies, eighties and early nineties. So I wore them when they were new, but the, uh, the saline solution had mercury in it. Wow. Yeah. So that's been, that's been banned in the nineties, but it went right into our brains. Right. And of course i had my own set of fillings right so mercury was going right those fillings contain 50 mercury they vaporize mercury despite what anyone says they vaporize mercury for the life of that filling into the brain mercury vapor crosses the blood brain barrier turns the inorganic mercury and there it's locked for life despite forever part of my process that i teach passion that's how i got my life back is how do we get this inorganic mercury that has a half-life longer than we live out of the brain that's a process i believe i have the only safe and effective way on the planet to do it and of course now gary now okay if you put mercury and aluminum together opposing metals like that they have a higher lethal dose value simply put if you put them in a stubby morbidity they kill yeah they right they kill more rats right it's like in smaller amounts together than they do one higher than the other okay so aluminum and mercury you know where we're getting crushed with aluminum right now and i know there's a lot of conspiracy in our air they've put aluminum as one of the additives in jet fuel to make it more efficient dollars and cents they're saving my view we can make jets fly longer on jet fuel we're going to save billions of dollars problem is is aluminum is one of so it's creating coming down as acid rain in our water and our food we're being crushed with aluminum aluminum the mercury exposures you wonder why we have a world full of brain fogged people yeah you know heading for neurological

31:47Gary Brecka:disaster i have a 0.1 micron air filter in every room of my house yeah there's one right there yeah

31:52Dr. Daniel Pompa:well yeah yeah because i mean we are exposed whether you like it or not when you go outside on certain days you're going to be exposed to higher levels of lumen but regardless it's in the water you're filtering all your water so am i right but how many people aren't and then you wonder why we have an explosion i mean even the last 20 years of thyroid conditions i mean just skyrocketing insane yeah well we know mercury and aluminum affects thyroid the thyroid's the canary in the coal mine meaning it's the most sensitive to neurotoxins and we date ourselves a bit but the canary in the coal mine means that they literally in the old days they didn't have a sophisticated equipment to like you know bring down i know what that means yeah yeah i knew you did i don't know if they do my cameraman yeah exactly you guys know what that means yeah no See, they're shaking their head.

32:38Dr. Daniel Pompa:No, canary in a coal mine. They literally brought a canary down into the coal mine. If the canary died, they said, we only have like so much time to get out because the canary was that sensitive. And they use canaries in the coal mine. Thyroid is the canary in the coal mine, meaning it's the first to go. So if people suffering from thyroid symptoms, and again, you have thyroid dysfunction years, years. Broda Barnes says 10 to 20 years before you actually have a blood test that shows you're out. So that means you're having the dry skin, the brittle nails, the hair thinning, the low energy, the brain fog, constipation, all those are thyroid symptoms.

33:15Dr. Daniel Pompa:You have that before your blood work goes out, right?

33:18Gary Brecka:Probably going back to your receptor sensitivity discussion where it's actually, you know, the receptor desensitization starts, which actually makes the hormone level less important. And now you're, and then eventually your hormone levels give way.

33:31Dr. Daniel Pompa:Eventually it goes down.

33:31Gary Brecka:Yeah.

33:31Dr. Daniel Pompa:Right. But then we go to our doctor and then he puts us on a medication, makes our blood work look normal. And we go we go back in a couple of months and he says, well, you should be feeling better. And you're going, yeah, I'm not. Yeah. OK, I might have a little more energy. I might be. But yeah, I'm not feeling better. It's because they didn't deal with the cell. Right. My saying is you have to fix the cell to get well. Yeah. If you don't do that today, because that's why people don't feel well, despite diet change, despite taking hormones, despite name the list. the supplements they take i that message was not even hitting 20 years ago right now it's like yeah that's me you know i'm doing all that i still don't feel well it's a cellular issue you have to upregulate those pathways and then now we can get our cells functioning now all the stuff works now your supplements works your diet works you start losing weight again so anyway that's i i

34:23Gary Brecka:love that so we you know so for females you know that are that are menopausal and they're actually starting to they look at their hormone profile and everything seems normal but you know they really just don't feel well emotionally physically they're not sleeping well they've got the you know the classic water retention that you know we call the estrogen band but they got the classic estrogen band they've got brain fog um and and once in a while and i see this profile come through our clinics all the time um they'll say there are just days where i have crushing fatigue and other days where I'm just tired.

34:59Gary Brecka:And then once in a while I feel normal, but it's, it's, it's occasional. So where does that woman start filtering her air, filtering her water? Cause she's not going to get a standard hormone panel because that's going to tell the same story that you were talking about. What are some of the ways that they can test for some of these toxic levels of metals or mycotoxins?

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36:22Dr. Daniel Pompa:Look, I always start with a simple test. I did a webinar that's free online. People can watch it.

36:30Gary Brecka:By the way, I'm going to put links to all of these in the show notes. I'm going to put links to Beyond Fasting and the Cellular Healing Diet.

36:37Dr. Daniel Pompa:If they go to pompaprogram.com, there's a webinar there that's free. It's what I taught doctors. Same information I taught doctors for 20 years. And I explain this, right? But I always say start with a simple cellular inflammation test where you measure melondyl to high it looks at basically membrane oxidation which is a reflection it's better than a crp for specifically what we're looking for right to see reactive proteins just a general general inflammation right and you know as well as i do unless you're in a really sick state most people will come back pretty normal right even though we have an optimal range but the cell inflammation is way more sensitive and um yours would be under three it would be very good right um you know but most people today it's not and that will be like oh yeah well that's why my hormone receptors that's why my hormones are working that's why so we start people there and then you know what we do from the test is okay meet with someone then you you know help people look at their lives and identify what i call their perfect storm so think about this everybody out there when we see someone's bucket overflow and they say now i'm fatigued now you know all the symptoms we're talking about the anxiety, the depression, the, you know, you name it, the hormone challenges.

37:52Dr. Daniel Pompa:Basically they, they get to the point where like I said, the bucket overflows, but there was three stressors that came together. So I have people try to figure out where those stressors are. Meaning we want it to be one thing. I did have mercury toxicity, but I was also living in a low grade moldy home. I was also doing 300 miles on my bike, physical stress, mold, biotoxic stress, right and mercury is another stress boom my bottom fell out the perfect storm you remember the movie we're dating ourselves again george clooney three weather fronts come together it

38:26Gary Brecka:was that was the eight was that 80s or 90s hopefully it was the 90s because it feels like it was yesterday yeah right i know it's so true yeah george clooney kind of looks the same but

38:34Dr. Daniel Pompa:anyway three weather fronts come together catastrophic storm right that's what we see we're all rotating the same direction so similar kind of what you're saying intensity builds up Yeah. So when we're when we're evaluating people, we're looking for that perfect storm of three stressors. And then we say, OK, what can we do to get rid of those three stressors? And then we can really get to the solution. So let's talk cause. I said our number one, let's circle back to it. I think that functional medicine has taken a turn to the left, maybe maybe not such a good turn, meaning we're really excited about a lot of expensive tests.

39:11Dr. Daniel Pompa:but ultimately it's moved further away from getting to the real causes right so if i didn't get to the mercury in my brain i wouldn't have got my life back if i didn't remove the fillings that were pushing mercury into my brain i wouldn't have got my life back here yeah yeah and if if you're still living in a moldy home unknowing i know you don't smell it you probably had an air test done all came back normal right but that doesn't mean you're not living in a moldy home

39:34Gary Brecka:right mold is very difficult to test cyclical i'm finding out too now like you can spore and then and then sort of become dormant and then it can sporulate again so if you actually happen to be during what it's like hair you know it has a growth phase and a shedding phase and you know mold has a similar phase that i don't i don't profess to be an expert on mold by any means but i did as i've had more mold toxicity clients and i've been working with dr minkoff in in tampa and um one of the things i've come to understand is that yeah mold actually cycles too so people will test their home and they're like hey i tested negative for mold and well look at they're doing

40:11Dr. Daniel Pompa:all the mold toxicity 98 of all air tests come back negative right it's like the molds behind the walls or it's somewhere and some molds don't even spore a lot like stachybotrys yeah we're the

40:21Gary Brecka:capital of the world right here oh yeah miami and malibu yeah california oh yeah listen up if you

40:26Dr. Daniel Pompa:live in malibu you know what it is too it's a lot of the hvacs so when i walk into a building because I have a nose for it and I'm sensitive to it now. I walk in, I go mold. I turn around and walk out because the HVACs, they build up mold in the coil, long story. But so it doesn't have to be behind the walls. Oftentimes it is in a HVAC, especially in humid areas. The point is, is that many, many people are sick because they're in a moldy home. You know, one of the symptoms are nasty weight loss resistance or all of a sudden they gain weight. Hormone dysfunction like crazy because biotoxins, we're not talking about a mold allergy here.

41:01Dr. Daniel Pompa:You know, there's mold allergies. You're allergic to the mold spore, but we're talking about the biotoxin. The actual mycotoxin. Right, the actual mycotoxin, which is a nasty, nasty neurotoxin, meaning it gets into the nerve tissue like mercury and it makes people really sick. you know you get a certain set of symptoms frequent urination at night frequent urination period you get the insomnias the anxieties the inability to lose weight because it affects the leptin receptors in the hypothalamus but the bottom line is you might be in a moldy home if we don't get to that cause and today to your point the way we're building homes is where we have a problem you go to europe thousand year old buildings they don't have mold why it's the way they built the buildings compared to we are.

41:50Gary Brecka:Their circulation.

41:51Dr. Daniel Pompa:Yeah, circulation, exactly. We have drywall, which has mold food on it. I mean, you know, drywall, it has paper. All you have to do is add water and you will have mold because the mold's here. Right. Yeah, so it just makes no sense, but we're still building homes this way.

42:06Gary Brecka:I remember the big issue we had in Southeast and Southwest Florida with Chinese drywall. Yeah. It's called the Chinese drywall. Toxic. And it was absolutely, I mean, people were getting violently ill. I was actually in one of those homes where we actually had to, our builder had to, it was a community in Naples called Vasari. And our builder had to come in and remediate all. Oh, yeah, everything. And beautiful home. And they had to literally come in and rip it down with studs. And then ozone it and put the drywall back. But the exposure to some of these, so air filtration, things like, you know, ozone filtration systems, things like that, that we can actually put into our homes to really filter our air and try to, you know, I always tell people they should build an imaginary fence around themselves and begin to filter things before it gets to their body.

42:58Gary Brecka:Absolutely. Because where else your temple's going to be the filter. So we can filter our water before it gets to the temple or we can let our temple filter out the fluoride, the chlorine, the microplastics.

43:07Dr. Daniel Pompa:Well, when we walk outside, we get aluminum exposures and other exposures, right? I mean, multiple exposures. Glyphosate, another chemical, they're spraying on our food it's in 60 of the rain so we better control our environment we can control right where we're spending 14 hours a day 20 hours a day who knows but you know that's what we have to control so your point you have to filter your water you have to filter your air uh look i i know these things you know there's a price to it but what's the price to your health right right you know you you and people out there don't just run and get your fillings out there's a proper way to do that um biologic yeah and then remember it's bioaccumulated in the brain that's my process we have to get it out of the deep tissue let out of the bone mercury and aluminum out of the brain you know there's a process but you ask the question what can you do you have to control the input of these things here's a great analogy if we had a bathtub upstairs all of a sudden overflowing that's the symptoms we don't like right here's the all the things the damage being caused right that's the autoimmune condition the thyroid condition the diabetes whatever condition it is you're diagnosed with or symptoms you don't like and we can open up the drain but if the water's flowing in more than the drain can drain because it's only this big then we're not going to get well we're going to still have damage happening until we slow down we probably we don't we don't have to turn it all the way up but if we slow down what's going in that's your responsibility and then we can now open up the pathways and i argue we have to do that at the cellular level you have to open up these pathways we have to get our cells if your cells are healthy if your cells are able to do what god designed them to do we're able to combat it right i'm not saying it's perfect you know we're overexposed today right but you have to get your cells doing what they were designed to do day in day out and that's get rid of toxins so let's pay more attention to that because you

44:57Gary Brecka:know very often i disagree with people that say and i know it's a sort of a scientific law the dosage determines the poison. But the truth is that sometimes the dosage doesn't determine the poison, it's the cumulative dosage that determines the poison.

45:09Dr. Daniel Pompa:It bioaccumulates in our tissues.

45:11Gary Brecka:I mean, nobody ever got mercury poisoning from one piece of tuna fish, right? I mean, they got mercury poisoning from micro dosing, for lack of better words. So you can have a safe level of mercury or a safe level of arsenic or a safe level of lead. And there are levels that are considered safe of all of these things. But if you're not eliminating these things from the body, then small accumulations eventually, which is why in Europe, very often for toxicity levels, they'll use cumulative dose toxicity and say, hey, well, we can't allow this compound, glyphosate, for example, because in cumulative doses, this is very toxic.

45:46Gary Brecka:Yeah, somebody can eat some lettuce that has glyphosate on it, and they'll be fine. But if they eat that lettuce every day, and it's also on their apples and their oranges and their pears and their peppers and their vegetables and their produce, well now all of a sudden the body can't eliminate that yeah and so and so you you take in the toxic

46:05Dr. Daniel Pompa:fish the toxic lettuce your body does what it does right right you know and it gets rid of it because it's survival right it's processing it you know to the point you made but then it's overwhelmed and then it's more then it's more like where we're at today different even than 20 years ago yeah and now the pathways are breaking and is it would it be right to say it would take less to

46:25Gary Brecka:overwhelm it once it's in that state so as soon as you hit the state of inflammation yes absolutely

46:29Dr. Daniel Pompa:small assaults are it's like sunburned skin absolutely you see the people who are like when i was sick gary i would sit next to someone with cologne on it would ruin not just that day it would ruin several days yeah i mean one sniff of mold would put me really down that's how sensitive i got that's how filled my bucket was i mean wow i couldn't hit you know i always like i get two glasses of water, fill one to the top right at the edge. And then I fill one just a quarter of the way up. Right. I can stress this one a lot. No problem. That's where you're at. Right. And me now, you know how many people are right at the edge, a little bit of stress and then all the damage, all the water overflow.

47:08Dr. Daniel Pompa:We have to empty our buckets and then you can tolerate more. Then you can hit the fish. Then you can, you know, live a normal life because I hear it. I heard it from a guy just two days ago, he said, well, come on, aren't we just, you know, no matter what, there's toxin around. I'm like, you're right. That's why you have to build up your capacity to deal with it. Otherwise you're going to trigger a gene. You're going to end up with a thyroid condition. You're going to end up with brain fog, fatigue. It starts there. Right. And then the bad, then the cancer diagnosis could come. Right. I mean, once that cell gets more and more toxic, the DNA is going to get affected.

47:39Dr. Daniel Pompa:So, so in your protocol, um, you know, one of the things that

47:42Gary Brecka:that you talk about in your book that I find really fascinating is creating new stem cells. And how do we create new stem cells? Our stem cells are as old as we are. Are you talking about releasing new stem cells? Because I'm fascinated by, I think the whole field of biologic stem cells, exosomes, natural killer cells, natural killer blood draws. I mean, this sort of whole area of biologic medicine, I believe. I meet you. I'm fascinated too. Yeah. Um, so how does, how to, how does one go about increasing the number of their own stem cells without putting stem cells into their body?

48:21Dr. Daniel Pompa:Without putting stem cells in the body. So the cheapest way fasting. Yeah. Look, I, I go. Oh, yes. I want to go down this road.

48:28Gary Brecka:I'm excited to go down this road.

48:30Dr. Daniel Pompa:Yeah. I, I got into fasting in the 1990s. I had literally visited these like fasting clinics who extend, like do, you know,

48:37Gary Brecka:extended fast with people like 30 days 50 days we saw this uh this week i just did a um uh podcast when did we do that two three four days ago um with um dr valter longo oh i love valter yeah yeah valter's amazing and um um i mean he's he's like beyond intelligent but what he let me know about and he talks about it on the podcast is that um he is about to release a series of three clinical studies they're finished with the trial and they're publishing it one on alzheimer's um and dementia and neurofibrillary tangles and amyloid plaques um one on type 2 diabetes um and and another one on on dementia and the simplicity for lack of better words of using fasting to turn the power of the human body on these egregious neuroinflammatory conditions and things like diabetes.

49:30Gary Brecka:And he used the term, these are his words, not mine. These diseases are reversible. That's it.

49:36Dr. Daniel Pompa:His words, not mine.

49:37Gary Brecka:His words. And he said in this study, they're going to prove that. So, you know, I just took 55 ,000 people, I think I had for a three-day water fast last month. And I took another 73 ,000 people through a three-day breath work challenge. But I want to go down this road of fasting.

49:53Dr. Daniel Pompa:Look, fasting.

49:55Gary Brecka:You wrote a book on it.

49:55Dr. Daniel Pompa:Yeah, I mean, fasting is fascinating. uh you know what happens and to go back to answer your question by the way valter is you know he really brought to the forefront partial fasting where you don't even have to just do pure water now i'm a fan of both yeah um i i learned fast mimicking yeah fasting mimicking diet which basically is a partial fast that means reducing protein and calories down below to a certain point protein typically under 20 grams calories somewhere under a thousand depending on body size. Yeah. And, uh, and it works. I learned that type of fasting, um, from a French gentleman and, uh, he, you know, read his books and his articles and because I noted that some people just fasting is a stress.

50:38Dr. Daniel Pompa:And if you violate the premise of hormesis, meaning if you don't adapt to a stress, it becomes negative. So we can talk about that with the biohacks, but, um, what, what it is, what happens during this stress is the body goes into a survival mode and it starts crush. it's smart enough to get rid of the bad senescent cells these are cells that live too long drive inflammation age you prematurely right cause all kinds of trouble zombie cells they're called right senescent cells the body's smart enough to go after those and it goes after those to get the nutrition that it needs for survival uh it's it's fascinating but it but it's so smart that it not only gets rid of if it gets rid of a bad one it stimulates a stem cell and that was your original question and it remakes a new cell so valter in one of his studies he showed that when you're in a fasted state your body's getting rid of these immunosenescent cells so these are cells that live too long in your immune system those are really bad because it gives you low immunity it causes um you to have hyperimmunity autoimmune right so we we know that in a fasted state it's getting rid of those and it's creating a new cell which he calls a naive cell meaning we're chill we're not going after the bad guys and we're young so we have great immunity right creating more of those guys so but you know one thing that i loved about valters one of the you'd mentioned the diabetes study that was first done in rats he showed that it wasn't just one study what they did in that study is once a month they did a five-day partial fast right next month five-day partial fast next month four months i believe it was in that particular study and they saw the beta cells in the pancreas regenerate that's what he was saying and they actually did now they've done it repeated it in humans yes and that's what he's working on right now and i don't want to miss

52:27Gary Brecka:misquote it but it's in it's in the podcast but i want to say he used large samples of patients and And it was randomized and it was placebo controlled. And one of the groups was over 500 patients. And the results were so profound that I think at one point they actually considered stopping the study. It seemed almost inhumane. But we're going to have randomized human clinical trials now from a world-renowned researcher. And I think he runs the Longevity Center at USC, USC Davis. and um and and real you know instead of people having to make the extrapolation from rats into humans um yeah you have humans which is amazing yeah which they've been working on that valter

53:13Dr. Daniel Pompa:has been a gift um you know to this area yeah when i was into fasting in the 90s it was like me and some natural hygiene society people i mean no it was you were trying to get back then let me tell you something this is a now i go to these seminars right even the low carb events right? Keto events, et cetera. And now I see people fasting too much and they look gone. I mean, it's like, and because fasting is a stress, right? Too much is not good. Too much autophagy, remember autophagy, meaning your body's getting rid of the bad cells. We just talked about the benefit of that, but that can go too much where you're now into that catabolic state.

53:52Dr. Daniel Pompa:It's a breakdown state. There's a pathway that anti-agers hate. It's called mTOR. Now, I disagree. I think mTOR short term is an incredible pathway where we build muscle. We build, rebuild ligaments, tendons. You know, it's a building pathway to their point. If you stay in mTOR too long, they can prove in studies that you age prematurely. So, but so everything that stimulates mTOR, elevated protein, this, that, they hate, they hate, they hate. Right. But look, autophagy is at one end, mTOR is at the other. Too much autophagy, no good. People are fasting too much. It's not good. It's too much stress.

54:30Dr. Daniel Pompa:And then you have the mTOR pathway. Too much of that, no good. You know, I teach in my premise diet variation, meaning moving in and out of different diets. Every culture, healthy culture on the planet did this. They did it because they had to. Yeah, and his longevity diet, he talks about this too. Yeah, and it's like, so I've taught it for years. go into ketosis but go in and out of it do carnivore don't stay in it right i've taught it for years and by the way you can look at the people that say keto causes cancer because of something called four hydroxynenolone builds up this nasty free radical wait that's why it works in the beginning that stimulates all these positive changes and then but if you stay in it too long it bioaccumulates it builds up and then it becomes a negative the same diet you're on I could plant-based diets, too much plant-based diets, eating plants.

55:21Dr. Daniel Pompa:You have too many little toxic stressors that, you know, can start inflaming the gut. Any diet too long causes problems. When you change a diet, you actually create a stress on the microbiome and actually create diversity. It's magic. Yeah.

55:35Gary Brecka:This is metabolic flexibility. Absolutely.

55:37Dr. Daniel Pompa:But so one of the things I trained my doctors and coaches is switch diets, make people switch their diet, switch their diet, more variation, more variation. I love that. It works.

55:45Gary Brecka:And talk a little bit about, for the people that are not super familiar with fasting, I mean, how does somebody harness the benefits of fasting without taking too much of a risk? Are you a fan? Because I was surprised by Dr. Longo said that he actually wasn't a huge fan of intermittent fasting, especially the very narrow windows. Yeah, I know that. I've actually seen in our own clinical practice, you know, some of the worst endocrine disasters in menstruating females have been ones with really really narrow feeding windows um it's it's an endocrine disaster for them i agree tell them that like narrow their feeding window down to they're highly disciplined i mean we had a female crossfit athlete that four hours a day was all she would eat so she spent 20 hours a day fasting it was a disaster for she actually ended up with something called red s yeah so very and

56:28Dr. Daniel Pompa:this is the people i'm talking about fasting too much yeah it's anything too much you know anything

56:33Gary Brecka:too much 37 degree you know we were talking about this earlier there are plunges in there you know I get in a cold plunge three minutes, minimum six minutes maximum. Um, and I'm at 48 degrees. I'm not like, you know, 34 degrees and I don't stay in there for 12 minutes, but I see folks on, on, um, you know, Instagram taking a snorkel going underwater or underwater for 12 minutes, 37 degree water. And it's, it's kind of like, uh, Oh, you go in 37 degree water or go in 34 degree water. You know, I go in 33.1, you know, it's after we finished the fasting conversation,

57:04Dr. Daniel Pompa:I want to get back into that conversation. I want to get back into that too.

57:06Gary Brecka:But so my question essentially is that, you know, for somebody that's watching this, hasn't participated in my fast, hasn't read your book on fasting, isn't familiar with Dr. Volter Longo. What's this sort of a safe path for somebody to go down to experience some of the benefits of fasting?

57:25Dr. Daniel Pompa:Well, first of all, to your point, right? You know, everyone's different, right? Like we were talking about, not everyone can jump in a callback for three minutes. And if they do, not only is more, not better, it's could be a lot worse. Yeah. Yeah. They're not adapting. Everything is adaptation. If you don't adapt, you make a positive negative, right? Same with fasting. So a lot of people were just, oh yeah, I, you know, they get a result. So they think by eating one meal a day, or maybe they are, they're eating in a four hour window to your point. Right. And they lose some weight. But the problem is, is they might be losing a lot of muscle weight because their body's not efficiently burning fat because they're not efficient at it.

58:03Dr. Daniel Pompa:They're there. They've got cellular problems. Right. And so what happens is, is then they're continuing doing this. Now they're straining their adrenals, their thyroid, their hormones, and they end up in this hormone down spiral, as you described. To answer your question, what your fasting window works for you. Here's a good way you could do it. Okay. So people listening. so let's say you get up and you say okay i'm going to skip breakfast and i'm going to just push it out till 10 o 'clock wake up in the morning let's say you wake up at six or seven check your and they sell meters very cheap inexpensive meters for this check your glucose and ketones ketones are what when your body burns fat it makes ketones most of your viewers probably know what that is right and okay so test both levels before you do anything before you have your coffee before whatever you do, do it first.

58:51Dr. Daniel Pompa:Now at 10 o 'clock before you're ready to eat, test the levels again. What you should see is, and you could do three to five days. So you get a good average. You should see glucose trending down from your weight glucose and ketones trending up. If you don't see that, despite how you feel, you're not adapting to that level of stress. So let's see your first meals now to two o 'clock. You would test in the morning and then before two o 'clock and you should see that trend because what it's showing is at least i'm adapting enough that i'm burning fat and using that for energy now if you exercise or you know do something or get stressed out you're going to throw your numbers off right as opposed to seeing higher glucose levels you're saying yes exactly so then you see glucose training down ketones trending up it's a good sense that you're adapting to that okay so that gives people a better sense of what fast works for them but but here let me answer it even better for people i'm okay the app you know most people can do one or two days where they fast, where they eat one meal a day, maybe in a four hour window, but the magic is in the feast.

59:53Dr. Daniel Pompa:People are forgetting about that mTOR pathway. The feast is the magic. So I go around saying, you know, you need to feast. Don't forget about the feast. I interviewed Karen Verde. You should interview her, but she, she was the first one to show is a mouse study, I believe, but they compared like low fat diets, low carb, you know, all these different diets, the diet that worked the best to bring through weight loss resistance was actually feast, famine, feast, famine, feast, famine. And I said, Karen, why was it? I think they were doing like low, like low calorie one day, regular diet, low calorie feast family.

1:00:27Dr. Daniel Pompa:Okay. I said, why is that? She said, because it forces adaptation and there's a hormone optimization that takes place when the body is in that state. The point is, is we're just famine. yeah and with intermittent fasting and i you know you can't just do that much famine you need feast days even from the simplest standpoint your body everything's about survival would you agree with that i would everything right that's why biohacks work right everything's about survival probably

1:00:53Gary Brecka:like these famine works okay yeah it's very ancestrally in tune with your body's your body

1:00:59Dr. Daniel Pompa:but here's the thing look it your body when you famine too much it'll eventually go i'm gonna save gary's life and i'm going to slow my metabolism down i'm going to hold on to fat and if i have to i'll even use muscle it's easy it's caught it's cheap i've heard you say it right it's easy 30 set burn up the muscle right gluconeogenesis boom okay so it'll do that if it has to and so you're getting lower and lower metabolism as that happens now if you just take one or two days a week people with hormone challenges oftentimes need three feast famine feast famine. And if you feast your body, it reminds your body it's not starving.

1:01:37Dr. Daniel Pompa:Simple as that. So imagine you live in, you're in the middle of the wood in Alaska, right? Or you have a cabin in Alaska. And I do too. And I come over to your place in the heart of winter. This winter's colder than normal, harder than normal. You have a normal pile of wood that makes you, gets you through the winter. Typically this winter is bad. So you're dwindling your pile very quickly. Matter of fact, so quickly you get nervous to survive so you burn less wood you turn the metabolism down you're saying you know what i'm going to keep my house at 55 because i got to make it through this winter i only have so much wood i come by your house and go gary holy cow man this place is freezing yeah i'm running out of wood i got plenty i come over and dump a feast day i give you more wood guess what you do you turn it back up to 70 right right you know i'm saying so that's what the metabolism does you know so the point is people are putting themselves too much intermittent fasting daily and their body starts backing into it may take months but it backs into a survival mode screws your metabolism up hormonally because that's what it is that's what we've seen you know and then add feast days and watch the metabolism fire up so they just remind your body it's not

1:02:45Gary Brecka:starving it's not rocket science here right yeah you know it's it's it's so funny because i i i just experienced that of my own accord you know i'm i i don't know that i necessarily do feast

1:02:56Dr. Daniel Pompa:famine feast famine um days but i don't think we have to do it so structured yeah but i take um

1:03:02Gary Brecka:uh you know once in a while i'll just take a sunday and i just fast on a sunday and i'll just drink mineral water through you know throughout the day and and i wake up monday morning and i feel so clear and so energetic and then i eat normally on monday i actually wake up just as clear and energetic on Tuesday. Um, and I've done this so many times, um, and that I know it's not, not just the fast. Um, it's also the, you know, the feast, the feast afterwards. I don't think

1:03:29Dr. Daniel Pompa:anybody can, the hormone optimization that occurs because of the feast.

1:03:33Gary Brecka:Because I feel amazing. And when we did the three day water fast, I actually had people use bone broth day one, um, and then, uh, eased into it days two and days three. And, and one of the most interesting thing that people reported was that they didn't realize how much time they actually spent eating. They said, I wasn't hungry, but just behaviorally, I got up and went through the refrigerator. I got up and went to the, you know, into the kitchen, you know, the office in the kitchen. And I usually walk in there four or five, six times a day because I'm constantly nibbling on snacks.

1:04:05Dr. Daniel Pompa:They say the average American eats 17 meals a day and people go, no, I don't know. But it's the bite of nuts.

1:04:11Gary Brecka:it's the olive yeah yeah yeah and it's it's just constantly you know it's still grazing but it still

1:04:17Dr. Daniel Pompa:causes your body to have to process that it's still a lot of energy to eat you know and um volter talks about this right it was the uh his predecessor um was in the human genome project you know what that was it was where they put them yeah where they put themselves in a biosphere literally for like two years ran every test on themselves they diminished calories i think it Was it 35 %? I think it was because studies show that genes turned on to make you live longer. Right. It was a complete fail. And it was a fail because caloric restriction never works. Number one, they came out catabolic. Okay.

1:04:52Dr. Daniel Pompa:And, oh, their gene, their SIRT1 gene was triggered to live. However, all their other parameters, they were an inflamed state. Their immune systems were horrible. Right. And their organs literally shrunk. Complete fail. And that's when Walter said, wait a minute. we know caloric restriction is good but short periods of time it's exactly what he said on the

1:05:12Gary Brecka:podcast yeah yeah it was a fascinating podcast because he talked about yeast and then talked about mice and then talked about um human trials and and now i think i think this next series of clinical studies he's going to publish within the next week or 10 days or so right around the time the podcast comes out um is going to really rock the world of of fasting because it's going to give real science and real data in randomized trials to the support behind caloric restriction for short periods of time that's the key and repeating that i think that's the key that the study was exactly what you said was five days and he has a he has a fasting program um called prolon

1:05:56Dr. Daniel Pompa:yeah it's box it's easy i i love it i mean it's it's easy uh because people go well what do i eat right here here's the box it's one box and i think it's easier to go to 800 and 1100 calories a day

1:06:09Gary Brecka:than it is to go to zero calories yeah totally yeah and by the way he he's here's where i disagree

1:06:14Dr. Daniel Pompa:with valter and all respect to valter you know he's he's far smarter man than i am but i do have clinical experience he's against water fasting but um i see why because fasting is a stress the average person a pure water fast is too stressful for them and it they you may not you'll tap into muscle a normal person will go you'll lose a little muscle day one and then growth hormone rises and then the body protects its muscle because it's in survival mode right and it does all the right things very sick and toxic people they don't go through that normal phase so oftentimes the right things don't happen and you don't see as good of autophagy so he's gravitated to partial fasting but i like starting with partial fasting yeah um in the reason for the reason most people are metabolically challenged right and what do you say what's the percentage of people are medically metabolically challenged in the u.s i would say over 70 yeah okay i've heard you say it i'm like i think i agree with that oh yeah yeah no it's it's a vast number of people so so talking about

1:07:17Gary Brecka:the adaptation you know let's let's ease into that discussion about biohacking because um first of all i'm a big believer in red light therapy beds i'm a big believer in the cold plunge i'm a big believer in saunas um i just showed you my steam room i filter filter my steam before i go in there um i don't pro i i follow sort of vaulter's path 12 i.e for 12 hours and fast for 12 hours which he says is a very safe zone to be in um and then once in a while i'll do a 24 hour or three day fast um I'm actually going to start doing his five-day fast mimicking diet after this podcast. I am absolutely convinced that that's the way to go a couple of times a year.

1:07:54Gary Brecka:But talk about some of the big biohacks that are out there. Cold plunging, red light therapy, some of these other big biohacks that are out there. And the pros and potentially the cons of some of those.

1:08:09Dr. Daniel Pompa:Look, the easiest way to understand a principle called hormesis means if we stress a biological system, us, if we adapt, we get better, faster, stronger, healthier. If we don't adapt, bad things happen. Understand that's a principle. If you exercise and adapt, you get stronger, faster, etc. So therefore, we hire trainers, at least good athletes do, to make sure that we're adapting to the stresses that they put on. studies show that if you don't create a stress meaning if you're doing the same exercise all the time you actually start getting bent stop getting benefit and you even get a diminishing result so we need to over training exactly right so anyways most people when they first start you know they start reasonably you know or or not they go into the gym and do too much it's a negative right right so we understand we can over train but this applies to cold baths the only reason a cold bath or heat cold anything you just mentioned this premise of hormesis applies if you go in a cold bath the body thinks it's going to die what does it do raises up norepinephrine which raises up growth hormone which makes your heart your cells more sensitive to hormones all these major wonderful things happen brown fat activation yeah oh yeah brown fat activation all of it if you adapt so no matter what you feel good after because you know you have this you know, norepinephrine rise and all your, you know, good hormones come up.

1:09:34Dr. Daniel Pompa:But how do you feel later that day or the next day? Because if you are tired, more tired, didn't sleep well, maybe you looked at your heart rate variability and it's dropping. You didn't adapt to the three minute cold bath. Maybe you need less than Gary or me. Take it down. That's not what's being taught. So people are just going, Oh, I heard three minutes. I'm going to make three minutes. I'm gonna make three minutes. Many people out there, just like the fasting can't adapt to that. And if you don't adapt, you end up causing more inflammation later. The key is adaptation. Saunas are the same way.

1:10:07Dr. Daniel Pompa:And I said this to you earlier, right? I said, when I was sick, I couldn't even take hot showers. Yeah. You said that I would be just wiped out later that day. I just, you know, so I learned to take very lukewarm showers. I wasn't adapting to the heat. So people go into saunas because they hear an hour, whatever it is, and they force themselves to do it. More is not better and potentially even devastating for you. Wow. So we have people that have thyroid, adrenal challenges, hormone challenges. I promise you they need less. Yeah. And you saw this one study that recently came out a 10 minute shower or 10 minute, 10 seconds of cold before your shower every day worked out better than the big cold.

1:10:47Dr. Daniel Pompa:Right. I believe they were just looking because they were looking at average people, put the average person in a three minute cold plunge when they looked at the results it was not good as good as the less stress consistently less consistently less long all they did is lower the stress level and more people did better with that right and i and i believe that's the case for many

1:11:07Gary Brecka:of these biohacks and i can i i can absolutely see that too so um sort of bringing everything um full circle from your um all of your experience your personal journey um you know your your cellular healing diet what are the big takeaways that you want people to remember from this podcast because they've heard a lot i got to filter my environment i got to take care of my cells i should intermittent um fast with too short of a window what are the big three or five takeaways that you want them to walk away from um no i would say that one of them for me is that you can heal from whatever you're being challenged with right now so that that is the first like message is that that the body has an incredible ability to bounce back from absolute abuse.

1:11:55Gary Brecka:I mean, from you were just horribly abused in the state that you were in. So, I mean, I wanna give people hope that have chronic conditions that they just are, they just reached the end of the rope

1:12:07Dr. Daniel Pompa:and they're exhausted on. But what are the big takeaways that you want them to? You know, one of the things I always say is the only reason I'm qualified to help you and those people is number one, I was called to it, right? I didn't choose it. But the only reason I'm qualified is because I was you. If you are going to help drug addicts and alcoholics, you better darn be, you better have suffered and overcame it. And that gives you the authority because one day they're going to say, you don't know what it's like. You don't know what I feel. I know what you feel. I know what it's like. And that's why I'm qualified.

1:12:40Dr. Daniel Pompa:But that gives you hope. There is an answer. But what I want you to hear to answer your question is there's a cause. And I think that alternative medicine has moved further from getting to the cause. Even when I first started lecturing on stages, you know, it was, it seemed like people got it. NDs, DCs, MDs, at least that were there in that room. You know, yeah, cause, let's remove it. Today, it's almost like we got too fancy. We're forgetting about these major causes. Neurotoxicity is rampant because of what we're under today. I think most people agree with that. Yeah. But again, it's not as simple as just sitting in the sauna that we love.

1:13:21Dr. Daniel Pompa:I mean, there's benefits to saunas. Don't get me wrong, and you should do them. But you do have to get to the cell, right? And, you know, I've spent 20-some years teaching doctors the principal. And my kids, I think we had this conversation because your kids work with you, right?

1:13:37Gary Brecka:Yeah, they do.

1:13:37Dr. Daniel Pompa:They saw me on this, you know, treadmill of teaching doctors and even one-on-one helping people. And they said, dad, if you were called to take this to the world, it's not happening and it's not going to happen the way you're doing it. That's an honest conversation.

1:13:53Gary Brecka:That actually sounds like something my daughter would say to me. Yeah, exactly. Give me your phone, dad.

1:13:57Dr. Daniel Pompa:I said, yeah, but detox isn't here's a box of pills. It has to be specific for everyone. The doses, you know, with chelators, with binders. I mean, it's different for everyone, son. So, you know, anyways, you know, he had a different vision. of how we can take this to the world directly to the person looking for answers. And I say that to give people hope. So that's what we did. I mean, POMPA program, as you know, it's direct to the person hurting, direct to the person looking for an answer, as opposed to me trying to train the doctors. But there is hope you have to get to the cause. If you remove the interference, the body heals.

1:14:35Dr. Daniel Pompa:It does. I love that. It's a dang principle that works out. I didn't get well because of a specific vitamin. I got well because I got the mercury safely and effectively out of my brain. I got well for taking the biotoxins that were accumulated in my cells, downregulating every bit of cellular function that should be there to protect me. You know, I got better by getting rid of that.

1:14:54Gary Brecka:So, you know, we are so is society.

1:14:57Dr. Daniel Pompa:We are so about what we can add. But most people today aren't sick because of a lack of a vitamin. And I'll name five vitamins that I think are very important people lack. But most people are sick because it's too much of something. These neurotoxins were being inundated with. And I'm telling you, it's wearing people. I mean, we never had a society with as much brain fog and anxiety as we do now. These are neurotoxic signs, Gary.

1:15:22Gary Brecka:Yeah.

1:15:22Dr. Daniel Pompa:You know, and people, if you don't get to the cause of that, I don't care how much kava, CBD you take. I don't care what you do, how many biohacks you do. You got to get through the cause. And that's the message I really want people to hear.

1:15:35Gary Brecka:That's excellent. How do people find you? I mean, how do they find you on Instagram?

1:15:38Dr. Daniel Pompa:Obviously, yeah, you can find me on Instagram, Dr. Pompa. You know, I have a following there. I put out videos all the time. We're talking about that because my kids make me do that, too.

1:15:47Gary Brecka:You got to educate, Dad. My kids built my whole social media channel. Exactly. Me, too.

1:15:52Dr. Daniel Pompa:Anyways, but, you know, pompaprogram.com. You can watch. I said that there's the free webinar there you can watch. But yeah, no, I mean, you can get I'm out there. Okay.

1:16:01Gary Brecka:Yeah. I am. And every podcast the same way by asking every guest the same question. And there's no right or wrong answer to this, but what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

1:16:12Dr. Daniel Pompa:A human?

1:16:13Gary Brecka:The ultimate human.

1:16:14Dr. Daniel Pompa:The ultimate human in your purpose, functioning in your purpose. Now, I guess. And I'll tell you, and I want people to hear this because I get this question. Well, how do you know or how do you find your purpose? Okay. If we look at our skill set, kind of tips to what we should be doing. Look what you love. That kind of leans to it. But most importantly, look in your pain. Your pain leads to your purpose. So my wife and I have a saying because we've been through a lot of pain stuff in our life. From pain to purpose. And I'll broaden it even further. I do believe God has a promise for everybody.

1:16:48Dr. Daniel Pompa:And the promise, you know, when we're crying out for an answer, he gives us a promise. But here's the problem. as humans, we're always afraid to step into the promise. And something happens biblically. If you go through the Bible, there's something that's when it says be strong and courageous, the Hebrew words are rakizakamatz. And, you know, I'm no Jewish scholar and I'm not Jewish, but those words mean a whole lot more than the English words. The English words, be strong, courageous, don't do it justice. Rakizakamatz means that God has already went into the promise for you and whatever fears that you have, whatever kept you from stepping in or keeping you from stepping in, he deals with it.

1:17:29Dr. Daniel Pompa:It's his strength, not yours. So as Israel was about to cross the Jordan, all they saw was 31 armies and all they saw was disaster. God spoke through Joshua, rock Kazakomot's Israel, meaning I've taken that, walk into the promise. If you look everywhere in the Bible, every time someone's about to step into a promise, God has for them. God will send someone Rock Kazakamats. So the greatest hope is Rock Kazakamats. God's done it because people, we have fears. Even we hold onto even our sick identities. Yeah. But you know. So true. Yeah. But walk in, don't have this because I know I didn't have any faith in myself or my strength or my abilities or my anything.

1:18:09Dr. Daniel Pompa:But if you know God does it and he'll just step into the promise, he'll do it.

1:18:14Gary Brecka:That's amazing. Woo. That was an amazing podcast, man. And thank you so much for coming on. This was nice. I thought it was gonna be great. So much better than I thought. I'll put all of the links to what we discussed in the show notes below. And as always guys, that's just science.