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Episode Summary: A Soccer Mom Takes on ICE
Podcast Information
- Title: Today, Explained
- Hosts: Sean Rameswaram and Noel King
- Produced by: Devan Schwartz
- Edited by: Jolie Myers
- Fact-checked by: Laura Bullard
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Episode Overview In this episode titled "A Soccer Mom Takes on ICE," Angie Vargas, a mental health specialist and self-identified "soccer mom" from Paramount, California, shares her experiences with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). After witnessing an ICE raid, Vargas became an activist who tracks ICE agents to protect her community from deportations.
Key Themes and Discussions
ICE's Funding and Controversy
- Federal Funding for ICE:
- The U.S. government allocated $175 billion for immigration enforcement, a sum greater than the annual military budgets of most countries except the U.S. and China.
- Despite public backlash, ICE continues to receive increased funding, which has significantly expanded its operational capabilities.
- Public Sentiment:
- ICE has become a polarizing agency, facing significant protests and negative public opinion. Many Americans express strong opposition to its methods and policies.
Angie Vargas's Activism
- Personal Journey:
- Vargas recounts witnessing an ICE raid, where her sister was caught in the chaos. This experience galvanized her into action against ICE activities.
- She uses her platform to document ICE actions, mobilizing community awareness and resistance.
- Tracking ICE Agents:
- Vargas actively follows ICE agents, documenting their activities and alerting her community. She humorously describes her “carpools” with ICE, revealing the lengths she goes to in order to confront them.
- She emphasizes her role in advocating for undocumented members of her community, reflecting on her privilege as a U.S. citizen.
The Risks of Activism
- Safety Concerns:
- Vargas acknowledges the dangers involved in her activism, including threats from trolls online. Despite this, she remains steadfast in her commitment, citing her faith as a source of courage.
- Confrontations with ICE:
- Her encounters with ICE agents are portrayed both as tense and comical, highlighting the absurdity of the cat-and-mouse game she plays with them.
Broader Context on Immigration Enforcement
- Expansion of ICE:
- The podcast discusses how the recent funding increases will likely result in the expansion of detention centers and reliance on technology to monitor immigrants.
- Criticism is directed at ICE's fiscal management and the lack of oversight regarding how these funds are utilized.
- Private Prisons and Technology:
- There is a significant financial incentive for private prisons to expand their operations due to increased funding for immigration enforcement.
- The discussion also touches on the ethical implications of using technology for surveillance and monitoring immigrants, raising concerns about privacy and civil liberties.
Conclusion The episode encapsulates Angie Vargas's transformation from a concerned citizen to an activist fighting against the operations of ICE. It highlights the complexities surrounding immigration enforcement in the U.S., the significant financial resources directed towards it, and the personal stories that underscore the broader implications of these policies.
Key Takeaways
- Activism: Ordinary citizens like Angie Vargas can play a crucial role in advocating for vulnerable communities.
- Public Sentiment: There is widespread opposition to ICE, driving activism and community engagement.
- Financial Oversight: The significant funding for ICE raises questions about accountability and the ethical use of taxpayer money.
- Community Impact: The presence of ICE has a direct impact on local communities, prompting many to take a stand against what they perceive as injustices.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00There's a lot of stuff in Donald Trump's one big beautiful bill, but if you're looking for the biggest game changer in the way our federal government government functions. you'd probably want to focus on ICE. The bill, as approved by Congress, provides$175 billion U.S. dollars for immigration enforcement. That is more money than most countries spend on their entire militaries in a year. In fact, that is more money than every country on Earth except the United States and China spends on its military in a year. And unlike, say, no tax on tips, people really hate ICE. Their agents were met by protesters in Washington, D.C.
0:40last night.
0:44People showed up outside Alligator Alcatraz to protest this weekend. And down in Southern California, soccer moms are showing up to harass ICE agents. You're going to hear from one of them on Today Explained from Vox.
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1:30You're listening to today. Today Explained.
1:40My name is Angelica Vargas, but I would like to be identified as Angie Vargas. I'm a mental health specialist. I work with children, with youth 11 through 17. And I'm just a basic soccer mom. I love, you know, going shopping, going outdoors with my kids. You know, I love going to the beach. Typical mom stuff. So I live in Paramount, California, and ICE federal agents have been stationed here in the city of Paramount. They have a whole facility that they use to operate out of. Visiting ICE headquarters in Paramount. And I just use my voice as much as I can to try and, you know, stop these ICE agents from detaining undocumented people.
2:31I have a genuine question. Why are you so fucking stupid? A lot of the immigration ICE raids started here in Paramount. I think the first immigration ICE raid took place right across the street from that facility at the Home Depot. That's where my journey began with my sister.
2:54My sister is a real estate agent and she's remodeling one of her properties. and she was picking up a couple of materials. They were tear gassing people. And so my sister got scared. She went back into her car and then she wasn't allowed to leave the premises. So then things escalated. People started showing up. The Trump administration ups the ante on its mass deportation efforts. Hey, what happened to you, bro? They hit me with a rubber pull in the head. They shot you in the head? You all right?
3:29And after getting to my sister, I had to convince federal agents to allow her to get out of her car because she was stuck in the crossfire where they were tear gassing and shooting rubber bullets at protesters. Pretty intense situation taking place right now in Paramount. What started as a raid has now gotten out of control. Immigration enforcement operation. See, people are squaring off with members. There's a helicopter right above us. They are giving people a warning to disperse. So I was arguing a little bit back and forth. And, you know, like after probably like three minutes, they finally gave in.
4:10So, you know, they were like, reverse the truck. We give you about a minute to get out of here. So I was like, all right, say less. So I grabbed the car and, you know, reversed, asked protesters to move out of the way. And we were out of there.
4:27I think the fact that I was there and I seen everything, it really moved me. It really opened up my heart and seeing how privileged that I am, you know, to be a U.S. citizen. It just gave me this power to continue to do good for the community and stick up for people. ICE agents in the city of Paramount, on Paramount Boulevard and Student Gray, please get the word out. to your loved ones. What I'm posting is basically federal agents detaining people from the Latino community, basically preying on the undocumented. You have to be understanding, please, that we need to provide for everybody's safety.
5:09I agree. I agree. But I'm just trying to help them, their families be aware that they're, you know, they're okay and that they're being taken care of. I get that there's always two sides of the stories and sometimes, you know, these agents were with different task force and they're being called out to do this kind of job but I mean if I have to go out there and try to give them a hard time for you know taking people in then it is what it is. Are you blocking me? Are you trying to block a U.S. citizen from going to her point of destination? Is that what you guys are doing? I think the most popular video that everyone loves and enjoys is the way that I go on ice dates with ice agents.
6:00Ice here in Luxor, they're blocking me from moving on because they know I'm following them. It's ice! It's ice! They're blocking me! It's ice! The way that we go on a carpool together, I think that's what people enjoy. The way that they try to get away from me. They're trying to isolate me. They're trying to isolate me and put this mom straight. So basically, when I get an alert that federal agents are near my city, you know, I'm like, okay, hey, let's go. Let's go look for them because they're looking for our people. So then I go, I spot them out, and then I just follow them because, you know, I want to document what's going on.
6:40so I follow them and it doesn't look like they enjoy it. They're the officers right here. I'm sure they have families, so here's their faces. No, I have a right. I have a right to record. I do. Yes. Gladly, I have a fast car, so I'm able to keep up with them. And, you know, we go on a car ride and it's just, I basically chase ICE agents around. They're not going to fucking corner me. They think they're going to corner me, but they're not going to fucking corner me. They try to lose me in every avenue and every corner that they get, every chance they get. I'm a soccer mom, so I have lots of driving experience.
7:19They mess with the wrong soccer mom.
7:26Please get the word out. The ice is out here in Paramount. I know they were at IHOP in the car wash. They're all pretty memorable. They're all pretty different. They all pretty much have the same outcome. This is another vehicle. Which is, they all try to lose me on the street. It's ice, la migra, la migra. Some of them have even gone down the freeways, and we've gone down multiple freeways together. It's ice, that's ice, that's ice right here, that's ice. Let your family know, that's ice. But one in particular that I wish I still had documentation of is there was probably like four cars that were trying to block me.
8:12And they split ways to try and lose me. And I ended up continuing to follow one. And it was a white truck of this big agent. So what he ended up doing was going on a railroad track because he knows I have a Mercedes. and, you know, it wouldn't be a good idea for me to go on the railroad tracks. So he went in the railroad tracks, tried to get out of the railroad tracks through the other end of the street. But by the time he was trying to get out of that street, I was already there waiting for him because, mind you, my car's pretty fast. And I put it on super plus sports mode. A big old guy, you know, built and everything, but running from a girl.
9:00So, yeah, in a Mercedes. And I've had, you know, people from multiple generations, you know, approach me and tell me, thank you, Angie. Like, this makes me feel so much better. Like, you don't know how much my grandma enjoys your videos. She laughs at them, you know, like it brings her joy because she's right now, you know, basically quarantined in the house. She can't leave the house because of her immigration status. And just knowing that there's someone out there giving them a hard time really brings her joy. Are you ever scared doing this? I mean, these ICE agents are famous for arresting people and sorting out the rest later.
9:47They're profiling people. They're not asking a lot of questions before they make these arrests on their raids. and they just got supercharged by tens of billions of dollars of funding from the federal government. Are you worried for your own safety? As you said multiple times, you're a soccer mom. You got a family. Yes, I am not scared because I'm not doing anything illegally. I'm just following them to document what they're doing. And if they're afraid of me documenting what I'm doing, then, you know, that's something that they're doing wrong. So, no, I'm not afraid. I guess I'm a big God believer, so that's why I am really not afraid, because all this willpower is coming from him.
10:30And this courage that I carry, it's coming from him as well. So as long as I know that I'm not doing anything wrong or anything illegal, I'm going to continue to not be afraid. Of course, I've had threads of trolls sent to me where they're recommending for them to disappear me. but like I said, I'm not afraid because I'm not doing anything illegal, and at the end of the day, I know that those are just bogus threats. If they want to come find me, people that are really concerned, they'd be here at my doorstep already.
11:19Angie Vargas, soccer mom, Paramount, California. You can follow her on TikTok at Angie Vargas. That's Angie with three A's. When we're back on Today Explained, we're going to hear more about the mind-bogglingly blank check Congress just wrote ICE.
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16:03Today Explained, Sean Ramos for I'm here with Caitlin Dickerson, staff writer for The Atlantic. Caitlin, your latest piece is titled Ice's Mind-Bogglingly Massive Blank Check. How mind-bogglingly massive is it? It's very mind-boggling, especially because since at least 2012, the United States was spending more money on immigration enforcement than on all of our other federal law enforcement endeavors combined. So the FBI, the DEA, the Secret Service, and budgets have steadily gone up since then. And yet the increase in funds that ICE and immigration enforcement in general got under the one big beautiful bill act blows all those other increases and previous figures out of the water.
16:57Was ICE even asking for that much money? Do we know? Absolutely. They were. The thing that people should know about that is that this is an agency that has a long history of fiscal mismanagement, and it's been called out for that by Democrats and Republicans consistently over the years. Can you elaborate on how these funds were directly misused and what measures can be implemented to trace and prevent further misuse of public funds? You know, it's been said that ICE flagrantly mismanages its budget, that it almost intentionally sometimes seems to misrepresent the amount of money that it needs and also the amount of money that it's going to spend.
17:37And despite all that, they have completely acquiesced to the agency's wishes and allotted tons more money as well to CBP, which works at the border, another agency that has a history of financial mismanagement, and then these new projects. So expanding technology really dramatically, finishing building the wall that started under President Trump's first term, expanding the courts and more. I guess the highest profile thing we've seen so far in ICE getting this sort of windfall of cash from Congress is recruitment because high profile people like D-list celebrity Dean Cain, formerly Superman from the 90s TV show, are offering to join ICE maybe on the House.
18:27But how is ICE going to recruit and how challenging will recruitment be? It's going to be hard. So ICE right now has about 7 ,000 agents carrying out arrests on the ground every day. They want to add 10 ,000 more, so obviously more than doubling their workforce. And this is an agency that historically has had a really hard time getting people to come on board as well as keeping them when they get there. I mean, I've heard for years from ICE agents who say they don't tell their neighbors what they do for a living because it's upsetting to people, even in conservative parts of the country, areas that support immigration enforcement in general.
19:10The story becomes very different when you're standing in front of someone in your community who's arresting another person in your community who you may know, whether it's because they work at a restaurant that you like to go to. They go to church with you. Their kids go to school with your kids. people get upset. And so they're offering$10 ,000 signing bonuses for lots of new agents, up to$50 ,000 signing bonuses for previous agents who'd be willing to come back to the agency. That's a really eye-popping number. I mean, you know, I think it also will probably give taxpayers a bit of pause, given how many really important programs were cut in order to fund this money toward ICE.
19:49But I think even with all that extra money, it's still going to be an uphill battle because all of those controversial aspects of the job have existed for many years. Okay, so future and maybe even past ICE agents stand to receive a hefty payday. Who else is going to get paid because of this windfall? Two groups really significantly stand to gain here. So it's the private prison industry and the technology industry. You know, historically, the most people we'd ever had in immigration detention on a given day was between 40 and 45 ,000. They want to get us to more than 100 ,000 people detained on a regular basis in the immigration detention system.
20:38So that means new prisons going up, whether they're being built from the ground up or they're refabricated, former jails or prisons that have gone out of use and will be adjusted to serve for immigration detention. A massive new tent camp is coming to Fort Bliss, Texas. The government has just handed out a$1.26 billion contract to build what will be the largest immigration detention facility in the U.S. with 5 ,000 beds. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem says Florida's alligator Alcatraz will serve as a model for state-run migrant detention centers. The next confirmed ICE detention center is in Indiana.
21:17It's being dubbed the Speedway Slammer, an immigration... The private prison industry expected to make a lot of money as soon as Trump was elected, and their suspicions were well-founded, it turns out. So, GEO and CoreCivic are the two companies that dominate immigration detention. You saw the stock prices of GEO and CoreCivic soar. Chairs of GeoGroup and CoreCivic rose more than 50 percent since the election. The private prison companies say they're ready to detain more undocumented immigrants. The GeoGroup was built for this unique moment in our company's country's history. Their CEOs in calls with investors talked about unprecedented opportunity to make money, and they actually started investing tens of millions of dollars in getting ready to expand the detention system before they signed a single new contract because they were so confident.
22:12That confidence bears out in that the bill allots$45 billion to expand the immigration detention system. And the other space where lots of expansion is expected is technology. So ICE and the Border Patrol, CBP, are really moving toward facial recognition technology, surveillance, working with companies like Palantir to pull together information and create these interactive, almost real-time dossiers tracking immigrants and their movements using their financial records, their social media, but also privacy advocates say likely Americans. You know, when you're scooping up that much data on people, you're going to get information on even those who you aren't targeting directly.
22:59So it raises a lot of questions about what's going to happen with these stockpiles of information. I argue that undocumented immigrants really actually aren't difficult to find in the United States. And so I question the need for this complex, almost spyware technology to track them down, which the administration supposedly would like to do.
23:25How much oversight is there going to be of how this massive sum of money is spent? Is Congress going to be keeping a close eye on what ICE does with tens upon tens of billions of dollars? The opposite of a close eye is what Congress appears to be keeping here. So there is no oversight at all built into the immigration enforcement aspects of the One Big Beautiful Bill. Another part of context that's important is that the administration had just previously gutted two oversight offices that existed within DHS, its Office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, and then an ombudsman's office that oversaw, among other things, the detention system.
24:06Both of those are functionally no longer existent. And so there is no oversight that we can see on paper, you know, this massive infusion of cash and no clear body looking to make sure that it goes to the right places, that it's not mismanaged or misdirected, and that it's not wasted. Okay. So given that there is so little oversight built into this funding, If Americans, say, have buyer's remorse by, say, 2028 and they vote in a different president with a radically different way to approach immigration enforcement, can some of this be undone? Can you get back billions of dollars that have already been rewarded to private prison contractors or Palantir or whomever?
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24:59We will not likely be able to get that money back. If you look historically at the budgets of these agencies that participate in immigration enforcement starting around 9-11 when their work ramped up really dramatically, you find almost no dips at all whatsoever. One of the reasons is that with detention in particular, you're talking about opening new facilities, which means a lot of jobs. And communities really vie for these facilities. Lots of immigration detention centers go up in rural areas where there isn't a lot of other economic opportunity because land is cheap. And the communities come to rely on the positions that these facilities create.
25:45It becomes a political problem for local officials to lose that money and lose that income. So that's just one reason why it becomes hard to decrease funds, whether it's private prisons or the contractors that operate within them or the technology industry. You have aggressive lobbying that takes place. You have relationships that form and grow between government and contractors. And so we're not likely to see these budgets go down really significantly short of something unprecedented in a future administration because things just tend to increase over time. So it really is a wait and see.
26:32Caitlin Dickerson, TheAtlantic.com. Devin Schwartz produced the program today. Jolie Myers edited. Laura Bullard was on Facts. Andrea Christensdottir and Patrick Boyd were on Sound. Heidi Mawagdi, Gabrielle Burr-Bay, Avishai Artsy, Denise Guerra, Peter Balanon-Rosen, Rebecca Ibarra, and Miles Bryan also make the show. Amina Alsadi is our supervising editor. Miranda Kennedy is our executive producer. And Noelle King is our weapons. Breakmaster Cylinder provides music. Today Explained is distributed by WNYC. The show is a part of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and you can hear more of our shows that win awards at podcasts.voxmedia.com.
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27:35Thank you.
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Angie Vargas witnessed an ICE raid near her hometown. Now, she's the one chasing ICE agents around Southern California.
This episode was produced by Devan Schwartz, edited by Jolie Myers, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Andrea Kristinsdottir and Patrick Boyd and hosted by Sean Rameswaram.
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