Is smoking back?

8 May 2026 · 27 min · 13 chapters

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The episode asks whether smoking is “back,” focusing on Gen Z’s pop-culture fascination with cigarettes and a parallel rise in nicotine products. Guest 1: Marnie Rose McFall, a 26-year-old U.S. news reporter at Newsweek covering internet trends and U.S. politics; she argues Gen Z mostly treats smoking as aesthetics (e.g., Pinterest “smoking pose” searches up 70% in 2024–2025) and points to celebrity imagery (Sabrina Carpenter, Chappell Roan, Lady Gaga) and the “Brat era”/Charli XCX. She claims COVID-era stress and outdoor socializing helped normalize smoking socially, but CDC data shows young adults aren’t smoking more overall. Guest 2: Sarah Todd of STAT, who reports on nicotine in wellness; she claims nicotine pouches/patches are marketed as performance tools and aren’t the same as cigarette smoke (cancer risk comes from combustion/carcinogens). She cites Vanderbilt researcher Paul Newhouse: nicotine may help only people with existing cognitive problems; it’s addictive and can raise blood pressure, with limited long-term pouch research. Examples include Athletic Nicotine’s low-dose pouches and mentions of RFK using nicotine pouches.

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Introducing Marnie Rose McFall

2:03 to 2:57

Marnie Rose McFall discusses her background as a Gen Z reporter.

“No, we're really like the Today Explained and Cigarettes Generation when you think about it.”

Gen Z's Smoking Revival

2:57 to 4:52

Exploring Gen Z's fascination with smoking and its cultural implications.

“Gen Z's fascination with smoking is really anchored in the way that Gen Z do things, which is it's much more about how it looks than actually practicing it.”

Social Aspects of Smoking

5:26 to 7:54

Marnie discusses how smoking is viewed as a social activity among Gen Z.

“Are people in your social circles actually smoking more?”

Data on Smoking Trends

10:50 to 11:43

Discussion on recent data regarding smoking habits among younger generations.

“What does the data actually say about whether people are smoking more?”

Health Risks Acknowledged

11:47 to 12:45

Understanding young people's awareness of smoking's health risks.

“It makes me wonder, the people that you spoke to about smoking, do they acknowledge the health risks?”

Gen Z and Smoking Trends

17:01 to 17:29

Explore how Gen Z interacts with smoking and nicotine culture.

“I cover topics like food and tobacco and other ways that private businesses shape our health.”

Wellness Influencers and Nicotine

17:29 to 18:51

Discuss the rising interest in nicotine among wellness influencers.

“Nicotine is actually like pretty close to a true nootropic, which means it elevates your ability to think clearly and stay focused and all that stuff.”

Nicotine's Effects and Marketing

18:51 to 20:16

Analyze nicotine's perceived benefits and how it's marketed today.

“I think there's real benefit to nicotine because that's been proven for a long time.”

Research on Nicotine Usage

20:16 to 21:02

Delve into research findings on nicotine's cognitive effects.

“And that's a kind of interesting distinction.”

Health Risks of Nicotine

21:02 to 22:46

Examine the health risks associated with nicotine consumption.

“Let's talk about what the research actually says.”
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Cultural Perceptions of Nicotine

22:46 to 24:04

Discuss cultural shifts regarding nicotine and its use.

“Okay, so some of these folks are Maha adjacent, or you might think they're Maha curious.”

Nicotine in the Political Sphere

24:04 to 25:53

Investigate how nicotine use intersects with political movements.

“He's a co-founder of a brand called Athletic Nicotine.”

Public Health Concerns

25:53 to 27:36

Address public health concerns related to nicotine products.

“Yeah, well, RFK himself has been spotted using what appear to be nicotine pouches.”
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0:00Noel King:All right, I'm going to be honest about something.

0:10Noel King:I smoke sometimes. I know I shouldn't. It's a disgusting habit. It will kill me. But on occasion, when life gets stressful, and right now, life is a little stressful, I am not alone. If you've been paying attention, it feels like cigarettes are everywhere all of a sudden. Sabrina Carpenter was posed with a cigarette for Interview magazine. Chapel Rhone did a sort of cig in the wig when she did her tiny desk performance. Though it looks like it's all my hair, it's a wig. We also had Lady Gaga referencing smoking and posing with a cigarette when she did her. So today we will be asking, is smoking back?

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2:02Hey, cigarettes and Today Explained. Man, that's a combination. Can't beat it. No, we're really like the Today Explained and Cigarettes Generation when you think about it. So I am Marnie Rose McFall and I am a U.S. news reporter for Newsweek. What do you cover? I cover between sort of culture, specifically the online zeitgeist, internet trends, social media, and U.S.

2:30Noel King:politics and current affairs. Okay, so if you're covering zeitgeisty stuff, you must be fairly young. How old are you? I'm 26. 26, so that is firmly Gen Z, right? Yeah, yeah, I'm two years, the cutoff is 97, so I'm 99. In your role as Newsweek's Gen Z zeitgeist correspondent, you wrote a piece about how smoking is cool again among members of your generation. Really? What? Make the case. Tell us what's going on. Gen Z's fascination with smoking is really anchored in the way that Gen Z do things, which is it's much more about how it looks than actually practicing it. I think one of my favorite pieces of data in how Gen Z is having this like pushing the smoking revival is a piece of research from the fashion data account Style Analytics, where they've reported that in 2024, 2025, searches for the term smoking pose were up by 70 % on Pinterest.

3:27we are seeing this huge revival in online spaces where smoking is suddenly everywhere again. And if you look at the, even if you compare this to like the 2010s, like sort of your big pop stars today, like Sabrina Carpenter, Chapel Roan, they're posing with cigarettes, which we couldn't really picture like Taylor Swift ever doing. I think part of the smoking revival, I would really attribute it to Charlie XCX and the Brat era.

3:58So that's kind of harking back to 2024, which is a little while ago now. But I think that's really where this fascination began. And Charlie XCX, unlike Sabrina Carpenter, is a celebrity who's seen smoking. There's a very iconic image of her at her wedding to the 1975's George Daniel, where she's sitting in front of two electronic bikes in East London smoking a cigarette. Matty was actually asking me this when we came back from Ibiza. He was like, are you actually partying? like as much as it looks like you are, or is it all a bit of a like? And I was like, no, like we are. And beyond in sort of music, we're also seeing this pop up a lot in television and subsequently on TikTok edits, which is mostly where Gen Z will be consuming TV anyway.

4:43But smoking's really prominent in all of the biggest TV shows right now, whether that's Love Story. To be honest, I don't think marriage is necessary. But I'm down to do it. Heated rivalry. Oh, I'm not sure you're supposed to smoke here. Or even a television show like The Pit. You need something or you're just here to ruin one of the few things, it still brings me a little joy in life. We're seeing smoking pop up fairly prominently in all of those shows. We also have it in movies as well. A study from Truth Initiatives found that in 80 % of the Oscar-nominated films for Best Picture in 2025, there was tobacco-related imagery.

5:26Noel King:Are people in your social circles actually smoking more? Yeah, people in my social circles definitely smoke more. I've even noticed a shift in that from kind of university to young adult life. And maybe that's a testament to the stress of it. I think there's something about the COVID lockdown era that maybe pushed people towards smoking. But both in terms of emotional response and that it's something to do in a situation that was intensely very stressful. but also because smoking really pushed people outside in their socializing everyone had to do that sort of social distanced socializing in the park um which I think really brought cigarettes back into the fold in a way in terms of like a social setting and then you sort of also COVID's really associated with that boom in wellness in a lot of ways everyone was in their bedrooms with their yoga mats doing their sort of ab workouts or their yoga or their pilates and I think there is a real rise in smoking in terms of a response to the sort of matcha and pilates of it all a phrase I see coming up on uh am I allowed to swear probably not yeah yeah okay yeah so phrase I see constantly on my tiktok and on my instagram at the moment is no I don't want to go and get a fucking matcha and those that phrase always comes alongside someone smoking a cigarette i'm not the friend to go get a matcha with i want a dirty martini extra dirty i want a side of hookah and i want some calamari rings this just tastes like unhappiness this tastes like i'm very unhappy right now why does beer taste so good after freshly whisked matcha and yeah i want to go all healthy and shit before saying fuck it and opening a cold one.

7:14I'm also seeing a lot of like healthy dinners with a text overlay of this but also smoking so I'm having my cucumber and my sardines but I'm also having a Marlboro light. So I think there is that kind of maybe nihilistic sense with the kind of response to wellness of being like okay well we've been doing this wellness thing we were engaging in this wellness thing around the times of COVID we've all been prioritizing our healths and things don't necessarily feel that great at the moment in terms of the world. So it feels like kind of a natural response of like, I think it was the cut that just ran an editorial titled, I mean, why shouldn't we all smoke cigarettes again?

7:50With each passing day of this absolutely deranged year, my desire to contemplate how to make sense of it all while puffing on a cigarette grows. But it's interesting in terms of government intervention because governments are doing really everything they can to stop smoking. The UK has just made it so anyone born after 2008 will never be able to buy cigarettes in a shop. The British Parliament passed a bill proposing the toughest anti-smoking measures in the world. It is a landmark bill my lords.

8:21Noel King:It will create a smoke-free generation. Some younger Britons say the government is overstepping. It's my body. If I want to smoke I can smoke. So we have this sort of government intervention in terms of whether it's taxes or whether it's being like, no, you at this age, you're never going to be able to smoke, is really clamping down on it. And presumably, with that kind of legislation, other countries are likely to eventually follow suit. I wonder about the social aspects of smoking. Like you mentioned that during COVID, people picked it up again. I certainly experienced that. One of the things was that I remember, you're standing around outside, you have to be outside if you want to talk to people, You're on edge.

9:01Noel King:You're looking for something to do with your hands. And it just feels very natural. And then, and we all know this viscerally, then it becomes a habit. Then it becomes, oh, those are my friends that go outside and smoke during, you know, lunch break or after the show. What have you learned in your reporting about smoking as like a social activity? Something that's very well known about Gen Z now is that they're quite isolated as a generation. It's very like on the phone, Gen Z's like aren't going out and they're really struggling to meet people and make friends. And that comes into play with dating as well.

9:36And there's this real moment of fatigue with Gen Z's and dating apps being like, well, we don't want to do this. We want to do something else. And I think smoking really comes into play in terms of meeting people naturally there because it is a very natural conversation starter. But smoking a cigarette kind of hits. It helps you get outside. It helps you make friends because you're going to be like, hey, do you have an extra cig? and most of the time people say yes. Look at Gen Z, boys. Sitting on the floor in the smoking area. Never. It's something that I've seen playing out online in terms of even people that don't smoke might carry a lighter with them so if someone needs a lighter at the bar, they can spark up a conversation.

10:14And just that smokers, they talk to each other, which a lot of people now don't do. They're not inclined to do that. But you're much more likely to in a pub garden or outside the bar on the street as everyone loves to do in London, sort of sitting on the curb with a drink in their hand and a cigarette in the other. You talk to people, which you probably don't do if you're inside of a bar in the same way, and you definitely don't do if you're in a reformer Pilates studio.

10:41Noel King:But it would be funny if you tried. Okay, so to this point, we have been strictly vibes-based in this conversation. What does the data actually say about whether people are smoking more? So the data doesn't show that they're smoking more. Okay. Which is interesting and kind of feeds into this theory of it really being a pop culture thing rather than an actual thing. The most recent data I've been able to find is from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And that is that in 2024, nearly one in 20 adults in the United States aged between 18 and 24 had used cigarettes in 2022. but that figure was almost three times higher for those aged 25 to 44.

11:25So that's showing that young people aren't smoking in the same way that the older generations are. And the general data is showing that there is a sort of decline in smoking and that this government intervention and the long-standing research and the push from the governments to show that smoking isn't healthy has worked. But there is that dissonance with the pop cultural fascination.

11:47Noel King:This is very interesting. It makes me wonder, the people that you spoke to about smoking, do they acknowledge the health risks? Do they say, like, we know this is bad? I don't think there's an idea that smoking is not bad for you among any circles. That's definitely not something that I have seen or have found in my reporting. I think there's a real universal acknowledgement that it's terrible for you. I think the more interesting point of conversation there is probably, well, everything is terrible for you, so why not this? Do you smoke? I do smoke. Do you smoke all the time? I know, I would say I'm a sporadic smoker.

12:26I'm a sort of occasional social smoker.

12:28Noel King:I'm a one-a-day smoker at the moment, but I've already had two today, so... Well, it's on theme.

12:41Noel King:Marnie Rose McFall across the zeitgeist for Newsweek. Don't smoke, folks. Coming up, cigarettes are bad, but nicotine. Nicotine, believe it or not, absent the cigarettes, is having a moment.

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17:10Noel King:All right. So in the first half of the show, we talked about how Gen Z likes smoking, or at least Gen Z likes posing with cigarettes. You have been reporting on how nicotine is in fashion with right-wing wellness influencers. What's going on? Yeah. And it's not just right-wing, although it certainly includes right-wing wellness influencers, but health and wellness influencers broadly are getting interested in nicotine as a way to boost energy or focus or help them with work or their workouts. Nicotine is actually like pretty close to a true nootropic, which means it elevates your ability to think clearly and stay focused and all that stuff.

17:54If you have a long COVID, you should be using nicotine to beat it. If you get acute COVID, nothing is better than nicotine. You think nicotine helps your erection? Yeah. So that's a really interesting development that we are seeing.

18:12Noel King:Okay, so here I knee-jerk want to say that can't possibly be healthy. It can't possibly be healthy, but you're going to tell me I'm getting something wrong. To be clear, nicotine is highly addictive. However, it is not what causes cancer. In cigarettes, what causes cancer is the fact that it's combustible. You're lighting it up. You're inhaling it into your lungs. And you're in the process ingesting 70 different carcinogens. So what the wellness influencers are using are things like nicotine pouches and patches. These may have their own health risks, but they're not the same as cigarettes. So a couple of the really prominent people in there are people like podcaster Joe Rogan.

18:56I think there's real benefit to nicotine because that's been proven for a long time. The Stanford neuroscientist and podcaster Andrew Huberman. Nicotine increases motivation. It decreases negative feelings of mood. It increases positive feelings of mood. And then the biohacker Dave Asprey, who is the guy behind Bulletproof Coffee. What if there was a molecule that could turn your mind back on without frying your nervous system? That's what nicotine offers. But Big Pharma won't tell you this because nicotine, as a molecule, is a direct threat to pharmaceutical profits. And what are they using it for exactly?

19:32So it varies a bit depending on who we're talking about. But a lot of them like to dabble with it as a way they say that it really helps give them a boost when it comes to their focus and their energy levels. And that makes sense because nicotine does flood your brain with dopamine when you take a hit of it. So that's what they're feeling. Limit your use, use it strategically and for longevity and for cognitive function, and even to mimic exercise. It's a misunderstood molecule with a massive upside for biohacking and longevity.

20:02Noel King:So they're saying it helps them focus, which means this is about, maybe no surprise, but this is about productivity, not like the sublime pleasure of taking a puff on a cigarette. Right, yeah. And that's a kind of interesting distinction. You know, the way that cigarettes were historically marketed, a lot of it was about relaxation, leisure. Time out for many men of medicine usually means just long enough to enjoy a cigarette. Reward yourself with the pleasure of smooth smoking. Smoke longer and finer and milder pell-mell. The way that these newer nicotine pouches are being marketed among the health and wellness set is that it's much more about getting through your exercise, getting through your workday, that kind of thing.

20:49Noel King:Huh. So nicotine helps you focus to get through your gym set. Well, that's what they say. Now, the research on this is more complicated, and I can go into that if now is a good time to talk about that. Yeah. Let's talk about what the research actually says. What does the research say? So for my story, I talked to a guy named Paul Newhouse, who's a researcher at Vanderbilt University. And he's somebody who a lot of the people who are really into nicotine as a sort of wellness tool or performance tool like to cite his research. But he says, basically, nicotine can be helpful for you cognitively if you're suffering from some sort of problem to begin with.

21:30So for example, it's possible that if you're dealing with dementia, nicotine patches in particular could help you focus. But he says, it's very hard for nicotine to improve your focus or attention. If you're functioning at peak performance, you won't improve. In fact, you'll get worse. It all depends on where you are at the present time.

21:51Noel King:Okay. So as with a lot of things, it might seem good, but then the research digs a little bit deeper and it's not all that good. Is it dangerous though? So this is a really good question. We know, as we mentioned earlier, that nicotine is highly addictive and there's a concern about young people and non-smokers in particular starting to use nicotine if they don't already and how that could lead them down a path toward potentially more dangerous habits such as cigarettes as well. Then the research on nicotine itself, we know that it can increase your blood pressure and therefore your risk of potentially heart disease.

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22:30We know that with young people, it can have an impact on the way that your brain develops. However, there isn't a ton of long-term research into oral nicotine pouches, and that's something that the American Heart Association, among other organizations, has called for more research to be done so that we can get a good sense of exactly what the risks are.

22:49Noel King:Okay, so some of these folks are Maha adjacent, or you might think they're Maha curious. How does nicotine use square with the larger Maha push? You know, things like get the microplastics out of our food, get the pesticides out of our food, etc., etc. Yeah, it's an interesting question because, you know, some of these nicotine pouches do contain microplastics, for example, and that's something that would be a contradiction, right? But it does square with the Make America Healthy Again movement in that it's sort of like counterintuitive. So I'd put it along the same lines as, you know, saturated fat is good or drinking more milk is good.

23:30It's kind of reaching into sort of edgy ideas that people might also find pleasure in as well.

23:38Noel King:Yeah. So that makes me wonder, like there are other things you can do to focus and get you through a gym set. Caffeine is an obvious one, right? Why did nicotine become the go-to? Like what spurred all this interest in something that, again, because of the association with cigarettes, we've often thought of as like a bad thing? I think part of it probably is on the part of the companies they spotted a marketing opportunity. One person I profiled as part of this story is Jason Wynn. He's a co-founder of a brand called Athletic Nicotine. What's Athletic Nicotine? So yeah, we're a low-dose, slow-release, tobacco-free nicotine, really engineered for a performance tool.

24:16And he's a former college quarterback and Ironman competitor. and it's low dose nicotine pouches, meaning they come in, I think, one milligram and three milligram versus then you'll typically see maybe like six milligrams and up. So the idea is you get like just a tiny hit of nicotine. It's enough to help you really get through your weightlifting or help you through your bike ride. We need to create a brand that aligns with that lifestyle and not to be ashamed of using it. You sit down with a cup of coffee and you could throw the can out on the table. It's like, no, You don't have to be ashamed of that, right?

24:51Part of it is people are always trying to think about, like, what's a new, different, trendy way that we can market our products? The tobacco industry, of course, has a long history of figuring out different niches that they can market to. So I think that's part of it.

25:05Noel King:These are the early stages of a marketing effort. Are you seeing that lots of people are starting to take nicotine in, like, pouch form or patch form? I would say yes with an asterisk, which is that, you know, this is still pretty early, so we're not necessarily capturing all of the data. For example, so the most recent youth tobacco use survey showed that it was about half a million of middle and high school students using nicotine patches. That is not a small number, but it's also 2 % of high school students. And then anecdotally, for example, I talked to one Stanford professor who said, well, based on what I see walking around campus, I think they're much more popular than that.

25:46So I think we're still trying to get an accurate grasp on the data.

25:49Noel King:The Trump administration, of course, has aligned itself with RFK, which means aligning itself with the Maha movement, which makes me question whether the messaging on nicotine has changed at all during the second Trump administration with Robert Kennedy in the position that he's in. Yeah, well, RFK himself has been spotted using what appear to be nicotine pouches. It's been reported alternatively that he's using Alps, which are Tucker Carlson's brand. American Lip Pillow. Some people have said it's Zin. Maybe he uses both. That's a little unclear. But he does seem to be a fan of nicotine. He's also made some statements about how nicotine pouches are presumably safer than cigarettes.

26:34Nicotine pouches are probably the safest way to consume nicotine. I think that what gets public health experts hackles up is that they worry that it's sort of a slippery slope toward actively endorsing these types of products. With that in mind, that nicotine really exists along a harm spectrum with cigarettes as being clearly the most hazardous nicotine patches and nicotine gum that are used for helping people quit cigarettes. There's a lot of good evidence suggesting that these are really helpful and low risk. Oral nicotine patches, the data so far, suggests that it sits somewhere in the middle.

27:14That said, it's sort of a question, I think, of why would you introduce a new health risk if you don't have to, right? As you mentioned, there are a lot of other ways that people can boost their energy, boost their productivity. It's understandable that people are looking for ways to do that and are sort of modern obsession with productivity. But I think that it always befits audiences to kind of think about who's trying to make me think that nicotine is good for me and what might their underlying motivations be.

27:52Noel King:That was Stats, Sarah Todd. Miles Bryan produced today's show. Amin El Saadi edited and helped procure Zinn. David Tatishore and Bridger Dunagan engineered. And Gabriel Donatov is our fact checker. The rest of the team includes Hadi Muwagdi, Peter Balanon-Rosen, Dream Daddy Patrick Boyd, Danielle Hewitt, Kelly Wessinger, Ariana Espuru, Dustin DeSoto, and lightweight Sean Ramos from Our supervising team is Avishai Artsy and Jolie Myers. Our EP is Miranda Kennedy. We use music by Breakmaster Cylinder. I'm Noelle King. Today Explained is distributed by WNYC. The show is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

28:25Noel King:For more, visit podcast.voxmedia.com. You can listen ad-free by signing up at vox.com slash members. Thank you.

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Gen Z is making smoking — or at least posing with cigarettes — cool again.

This episode was produced by Miles Bryan, edited by Amina Al-Sadi, fact-checked by Gabriel Dunatov, engineered by David Tatasciore and Bridger Dunnagan, and hosted by Noel King.

Smoking two cigarettes at once in Washington Square Park in New York City. Photo by Stephanie Keith/Getty Images.

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