Smart glasses are officially here

0:00Remember Snapchat? The app best known for being the place to send disappearing photos and videos to your friends? Well, Snapchat was back in the news recently, but this time it was not about disappearing photos and videos. It was about smart glasses that you put and keep on your face. Snapchat was trying to get in on the game with a pair of black, horn-rimmed-looking spectacles. Think the pair that the old man in Up wears, but like three times thicker. and with a price tag of$2 ,195. Photos of Snap CEO Evan Spiegel wearing his specs, that's what they're called, by the way, specs, were all over the internet and not in a good way.

0:41People were laughing. And they laughed all the way over the stock market where Snap took a hit. But as you're gonna hear on Today Explained from Box, Snap's playing the long game with smart glasses and the rest of big tech is too. Smart glasses are officially here, so we're gonna talk about them and worry about our privacy on the show today. Support for Today Explained comes from BetterHelp. BetterHelp wants you to enjoy the summer, not just slip into survival mode with those kids at home and those vacation plans coming at you fast and that routine stressing you out. Then summer is over and you're wishing you enjoyed the sunny days a little more.

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2:27Victoria Song:Google Glass, I would say one of the big reasons it failed was the design. If you've ever watched Dragon Ball Z, it looks like a power scouter that they would wear. Vegeta, what does a scouter say about his power level? It's over 9 ,000! Something super futuristic, easy to pick people out on a street for. And what Meta did was they partnered with Essilor Luxottica, which owns brands like Ray-Ban, Oakley, very popular, very stylish. And they made these glasses look like an average pair of glasses, something that people wouldn't feel too weird wearing. I'm wearing a pair right now of the— I was going to ask because you are wearing, Victoria.

3:08I mean, I don't know you personally, but I am looking at you, and your glasses look very thick.

3:13Victoria Song:They do. Is that because they're smart glasses? Partly. Partly it's because they are smart glasses. So smart glasses have to actually house a lot of tech components. Inside of them, these have a camera in the hinge and also a privacy LED light in the hinge. If I take them off, like you're going to see that there are speakers and there are, you know, battery components in the actual arms themselves. They're quite thick. But, you know, it also is the style for a lot of, you know, chunky glasses have been stylish for a while. If you think about the Brooklyn hipster aesthetic, you know, it's not anything too out of the ordinary there.

3:52Victoria Song:Like, I actually have several smart glasses on my desk. Oh, my gosh. You're holding, like, six cases for spectacles, it looks like? Yeah, yeah, I am. Thank you for bringing props to this interview. I'm bringing props to this interview. But, you know, I have another pair here. They're called the Even Realities G2, and they're a lot thinner. Yeah, those I might not even notice. So I'm wearing these glasses, but these don't have a camera, which means they can be much slimmer in terms of how they look. But there are speakers that you can hear things off of. So, you know, these devices have different feature sets.

4:29Victoria Song:Like if you want to see a pair that's even thicker than the ones I have on now. Yes. These are also by Meta. These are called the Meta Ray-Ban Display. and there is like an invisible display in the lens here. So they come in a lot of different styles. I call it the spaghetti era of smart glasses because they're just really throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. But none of these tech giants has really figured out what the absolute killer use case is so far. I want to talk about what's going on right now, but while we're on this train and talking about your specific experience, Can you just tell us what you use these Ray-Bans that you're wearing right now that are smart glasses for in your day-to-day?

5:12Because it sounds like you actually wear them.

5:14Victoria Song:Yeah, I got to test this technology. And I would say probably the thing I use the most for is listening to TikTok audio privately. So like around your house, not like on a subway or something. Around my house, there's headphones basically built into the temple. So, you know, it's not obscuring your ear. So you can take calls from your glasses. You can just use them as a pair of open-ear headphones. There are also cameras built into this particular pair of glasses. So if you're a content creator, you could get first-person footage very easily. There are a pair of Oakleys, which are really wild-looking.

5:53Victoria Song:They look like Oakleys, kind of the jabroni glasses that you see. And they're great for if you're a cyclist and you want to get footage of your run, like, or your bike ride. That's primarily what a lot of people use that for. I don't really take footage in public because it's a little bit awkward. I don't like doing that. But in my own house, do I act as a film paparazzi for my cats? Absolutely, I do. Some people say that that's what they do with their children and on vacations.

6:31Victoria Song:And then in particular, you know, I've done interviews with a lot of low vision and blind people who say that this technology has really changed their lives because there is a Be My Eyes integration. And what that is, is it connects what the blind person or the low vision person is seeing with a sighted volunteer through a phone call. Hey, Meta, call Be My Eyes. So you have POV footage that they can see, or they can use this feature called Live AI, where the AI will describe a menu for them. And so then they can independently read a menu, which may not have Braille. I have some mail here, and I'm wondering if you could just help me sort through junk mail and real mail.

7:15Victoria Song:Sure, I can help you with that. Hi, I'm calling because I need help. I need some items in my pantry. Okay, so good. Certain versions of the display glasses can put live captions over people when they're talking. So for people who are hard of hearing, they may be able to have a better sense of what people are saying with them. You can also get live translations with these devices. They are very finicky in certain respects. But, you know, those are just some examples of how people are using the technology currently. I'm glad you brought up AI because I think when we talk about tech on this show most frequently lately, we are talking about AI.

7:55We're talking about software. But here we are once again talking about hardware, which almost feels like passé at this point because so much of our nation's focus has turned to artificial intelligence. But you're saying that all these big companies that are developing AI are betting big on these glasses. Is there a boatload of money to be made on smart glasses?

8:16Victoria Song:You know, I think the very cynical take of it is that, yes, they're going to put a bunch of cameras on everyone's faces, just like how they put a bunch of cameras on everyone's smartphones. And they're going to get a bunch of data that way that they'll then use in their ad businesses. I think that's totally valid to be suspicious of the companies for wanting to do that. So you're just going to see ads like half an inch away from your eyeball all the time? I think that's the dystopia that people are worried about or the dream in terms of ad dollars from big tech. Let's just put it this way. They're looking for a killer use case for these glasses.

8:52Victoria Song:Just how like fitness and health tracking alerts were kind of a killer use case for smartwatches because in the beginning of smartwatches, everyone was like, well, why do I need that? I have my phone. The meta executive team, like we're talking Andrew Bosworth, who is their CTO, and Mark Zuckerberg even, they have been very vocal about how they view AI to be the killer use case for these glasses. Now, glasses are the ideal form factor for personal superintelligence because they let you stay present in the moment while getting access to all of these AI capabilities that make you smarter, help you communicate better, improve your memory, improve your senses and more.

9:34Victoria Song:Because you can take the assistant with you in the ear and it can see what you see. They call this multimodal AI, meaning the glasses, camera can look at the world around you and then you can interact with an AI about what you're actually seeing in real time. And the examples they give are like, oh, let's say you go to a museum and you want to learn a little bit more about the painting in front of you. Hey, Meta, what is this artwork? Comedian by Mauricio Catalan worth$6.2 million. What? These Meta glasses, the only thing I say, hey, Meta, explain the history of the fossils in front of me. And the Meta glasses will explain to you the history.

10:14Victoria Song:You could theoretically ask the AI, oh, what's next on my calendar? And see a little calendar notification pop up in your eye. And so the idea is you don't have to take out your phone. You can just ask the AI and have it show up in your glasses. And, you know, it's a nice thought. So I think our call will be coming in any moment now. Um, there we go. Uh oh. Well, I, let's see what happened there. That's too bad. Um, I don't know what happened. Hey Meta, translate this sign. Translation from Spanish to English. No, it's not in Spanish, Meta. Hey Meta, translate this sign. The tech is not fully there yet, but that's the future that they're trying to sell to everybody.

11:03Victoria Song:And they believe, as far as hardware goes, that glasses is the ideal form factor for getting everyone kind of more on board with these AI assistants in their everyday life. So as someone who uses them, what do you think they still need to figure out? A lot. Actually, there is a lot. The privacy question is the big one. But outside of privacy, there's a lot of questions that they still need to answer, just like, how are you going to get people with 20-20 vision to willingly put on a pretty heavy pair of glasses. Like when I wear them for a long period of time, I'm talking four or five hours stretches, I tend to get headaches a lot of the time just because they are so heavy on my face.

11:46Victoria Song:And then you have to think about things like battery life. I mentioned the live AI feature that will kill these. If you have these fully charged, 100 % charged, live AI, that feature will kill it in 30 minutes. So you're talking about helping people who are like visually impaired, but it's going to help them for about 30 minutes. About 30 minutes. Some of the blind and low vision people that I've spoken to, they carry two pairs around. So when they really need it, they just are constantly switching between two pairs because the battery life is not ideal for that use case. It's not easy to get the battery replaced or repaired.

12:22Victoria Song:So, you know, for anyone who's really worried about the privacy stuff, I'm not saying don't be worried about it. I am saying that there are very technical limitations for these as surveillance devices. Most importantly, like the battery is, if you really want to do some really nasty stuff, the battery is not going to last very long on these. It's not comforting because you can still take surreptitious photos or whatnot, but it is kind of one of those things where, at least right now, the technology is still quite limited in what it can do long term. We're going to talk about the nasty stuff you could do with these glasses in the second half of the show.

13:00But before we do that, it sounds like there's still a lot to be figured out. But as someone who's using them right now, what do you think? Are we going to see way more people wearing these in what, one year, two, five, 10?

13:13Victoria Song:So we've seen a lot of people adopt these in the last three years, but it's still a niche product. It's still very early adopter phase. We're still having these conversations about how much of this tech we want on our faces and what features are actually useful for people. So I think you're looking at five to 10 years realistically. So what you have is big tech companies laying down the groundwork and kind of priming you to think about, oh, the next iteration of gadget that I want on me at all times is a pair of glasses. Whether or not people glom onto that idea, I'm quite a skeptic. I've been covering this space for over a decade now.

13:57Victoria Song:It's been inched and along. In my day-to-day life, they are a pair of glorified headphones. There's a lot of thinking and tinkering and basically public conversations that we need to have about this technology before I could ever really realistically say that this is going to be a thing that everyone is going to have on their face.

14:23Thank you.

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18:01My name is Callie Hayes. I'm a senior tech reporter at the BBC covering mostly big tech and big AI in North America. Okay, Callie, we were just talking to Victoria over from The Verge, and we were talking about smart glasses in a sort of expository fashion, but she did at one point mention that there's a lot of nasty stuff one could do with this technology, and we wanted to save the question of what is said nasty stuff for you. So, what are we talking about? Yeah, there are various things that would fall in the nasty category. Just unconsensual recording men approaching women and sort of taunting them, trying to get pickup lines on them and seeing their reactions.

18:48Hey, can I ask you something? What? Just, um, I need your number. I have a question. I thought you were, like, you look like a model. What's your name? Riley, Riley, Riley, let me get your Instagram before she takes you away. But also, you know, videos that have to do with nudity, sex, bathroom stuff. It kind of runs the gamut of, ew, but the way it's kind of growing in popularity, I think could be a cause of bigger concern for people. We're talking about 10 million of Meta's glasses alone sold. So it's sort of at this tipping point of becoming much more popular, being seen much more often in society.

19:31And what these glasses effectively are is, you know, a camera on your face. It's much less obtrusive, much less obvious to people that they're being recorded when somebody just has glasses on. And I think Victoria mentioned that these Ray-Ban Wayfair Meta smart glasses have like an LED light that tells you you're being recorded. Does that not protect women or anyone else who may not want to be recorded? You know, in a perfect world, yes. It's just the onus is on the person being recorded to know that a little light up in the corner of a pair of otherwise normal looking frames mean that you are being recorded right now.

20:12But then there's also, I mean, if you were to like Google, you know, meta plus LED light right now, a lot of the results that you would see would be how to disable the light and the camera still works. Here is a step by step tutorial on how to remove the LED from your meta glasses. We're going to basically drill into that LED. I have a perfectly good drill, brand new. I bought$3 drill bits. So it's just, again, the onus is completely on the person ostensibly being recorded to know and stop it. Are there other reasons to be creeped out by smart glasses than maybe being unwittingly recorded? There are.

20:52Meta specifically, they're working on putting what's essentially facial recognition technology inside their glasses. Perfect. So it wouldn't just be about being recorded. It would be about being identified also. It's not like a huge leap to think about who maybe would be interested in technology like that, who would be interested in buying glasses with technology that can very quickly and easily identify people on the street. That is not here yet. That has been reported by Wired and The New York Times and others as being tested by Meta. If they work, the glasses would have the same technology used by the government and the police to record everything and identify everyone everyone sees.

21:32Groups like the ACLU say the technology would empower stalkers, sexual predators and scammers, allowing them to identify people without consent. So you would have your glasses on, you would clock someone, you would ask Meta AI, hey Meta, who is this person? And they would pull up their various profiles. When you have technology like that that's that functional with tying somebody you're seeing in real life to whatever photos they have online, that kind of technology can be used in a lot of different ways. Who's out here advocating for our privacy at the moment? There are a few laws that have been passed.

22:12Illinois could soon ban drivers from using those AI smart glasses behind the wheel. Today, a ban on smart glasses inside Philadelphia courthouses goes into effect. The new rule also excludes smart glasses with prescriptions. But other laws, you know, like GDPR, for instance, in the EU, it's pretty strong about this because it requires explicit consent already to be recorded like this. Like in South Korea, too, for instance, they have a loud shutter law for photos for like your phone. So it makes a noise when you're taking photos that like is audible. People really don't like it for the most part, but it works.

22:47People know. And they did that because they had some... It stops creeps. Exactly. They did it. They enacted it like 20 years ago because they were having such a huge problem with upskirting. People were just taking their phones on the escalator and like da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And nobody knew. So they ended up doing the loud shutter law. But South Korea, for instance, has much better, broader privacy laws than the U.S. does. China just put out a voluntary moratorium on some kinds of technological capabilities, but it is entirely voluntary.