Are You Running Marathons Before You’re Ready? | Inca Padfield

0:02Inca Padfield, you've got four conference medals in the US, two master's degrees, very impressive, track athlete, a 2.42 marathon debut, you're a SAP athlete and a sports shoes ambassador. Hell yeah. It's very exciting stuff considering you quit your job two months ago. Yeah. That's very good going. Thanks. Was London your first marathon? Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. So I had seen you in the park quite a few times. And like, Bathsy Park has this weird way of, you kind of nod at people that you see all the time because it is the same people. It's funny. And I'd obviously seen you running. We'd seen each other.

0:40And then I saw you at the New Balance kind of start line. Yeah, the warm-up area. You raced for New Balance. Yeah, so I did it with New Balance and Sport Shoes. And that, even being in that like VIP area, I'd never even done like a big race before London. so I was very used to like a small track race so even having those like start pen areas and like all the waves was like scary I don't know if you could tell but I was like locked yeah yeah no you ran a 2.42 2.42 yeah 2.42 debut that's nice that's nice a 2.42 so what how did you split the race up so given that's your debut marathon and you're kind of unfamiliar with racing that distance how did it go can you take me through the experience of your first London marathon best day of my life um I think because it was my first marathon I was really naive to it I actually wasn't that nervous because I didn't really know what I was getting myself into I was I was wanting 245 sub 245 but I didn't really share that because I thought anything could happen like I was very prepared to hit the wall.

1:50But yeah, I kind of went off at aiming for 3.45, 3.50 pace, but I went off with the 2.45 pacer because I was so scared of going off too fast. Because everyone says it's downhill, so you go off too fast. But I didn't go off too fast. I actually went off too slow. From that particular start, there's that hill again. No, it's downhill. Yeah, but then you go uphill. It's quite brief, but still, I can remember in London as well, going, well, this is a hill, a sneaky hill. Hills everywhere. Hills everywhere. But no, I did. I saw you before. You were having your whole interview before. I thought, how are you even talking to a camera right now?

2:26And then after when I literally couldn't stop crying. It was so emotional. And it was kind of embarrassing because no one else was crying. And I actually couldn't. The whole day I was so emotional. But I think I so wasn't prepared for the crowds and the atmosphere because I'd never done a big race before. I'd done a little half marathon in Victoria Park. and that was it so it was yeah kind of crazy i mean amazing effort i remember i was with my pals i was with you know mike and josh and and all that at the end and when you were already yeah i was like what am i supposed to do right now like how do i get my stuff you were in the pen when we arrived or when i arrived anyway yeah and and i was kind of like i was like how fast did i run the marathon because i knew it was your first one at the time and they uh and josh was like i think she ran a 242 and i was like that's insane yeah because in that like the new balance like vip tent thing apparently i was the first person to come through first new balance person look at that that can i say solid yeah yeah only only wears up did you did your pace remain pretty much flat yeah really yeah i slowed down a bit at the end because i felt really sick so i couldn't take my fuel so i did kind of bonk but that was like the last 5k i've never managed 42.2k at the same pace ever really yeah not not not once not even not even close yeah uh but it's it's a it's a weird one tokyo was a weird one for me that my 257 yeah i hadn't really slept the night before i went from like 406s to kind of 4 30s okay not ideal not great but only for like 5-6k at the end so it still was good enough.

4:11I do think a lot of people slow down but I do think that's well there's so many different factors in that and I do think that's where the massive mental battle is and also that's when you've got to really soak in the crowds and like get that to drive you but I do think from my background in shorter distance I've got that like mental strength where it's like mind gives up before the body like your body can do it you've just got to keep those positive thoughts going yeah um do you listen to music ever i do on my runs but when i'm doing my sessions i'm doing it with people so i don't listen to music really yeah i feel like sometimes i set off for a session and i think i'm going to listen to charlie hicks who we had on and he was that amazing 26 year old marathoner who i think you the video one and he's he's uh he's brilliant he was like you need to feel your your run and you need to feel your breathing and your And you'll get much better.

5:04Yeah, but I try and I just can't do it. It is really hard. I just can't do it. Yeah. We weren't allowed to listen to music in the States in training because it was like an AIDS. They thought it would help your sessions. Did you know that Tom Hardy is a rapper now? No. It's really good running music. Is that what you listen to on your 30K? 100%. On the huge part of the 30K, I listen to the same track on repeat. Really? I'm one of those quite mad people that likes doing that. Yeah, just like the same song. So for Tokyo, did you listen to music? Yeah, I had a playlist that my friend Sean Stafford sent me on something called Fit Radio.

5:39And it's like, it's a mix. So it's like, the song doesn't end. Okay, that's quite good. It's like a... I think music's really good. It's good, though. It was good. It distracts you. But I do think at that last 5K, you need to take in the crowds. Yeah. Like for the energy in American energy, you need to take it in. For a 5K, well, I wouldn't listen to it in a race, but I remember when I used to like bash out park runs I would have the most aggressive playlist and it would just like scream at me I was about to say so for like a fast 5k you would listen to music if I was racing racing I wouldn't but if I was doing park run like if my life depended on running a 5k PB yeah I can tell you right now I can't do it without music no way like if I'd set off really hard or you'll just hear yourself heavy breathing quite quickly and then you tell yourself oh shit I'm like getting a bit gassed yeah true it's so much easier to get lost in some rap album If you've got people next to you, though, that you can kind of slot in behind and you kind of paceline it, I don't think you need it.

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8:19so obviously in many ways you're sort of inexperienced with the marathon yeah how many marathons have you done since london none have you not done it you've done one marathon because it was like in april amazing though yeah i'm not bashing out 242 is just sick and you're doing valencia i am doing valencia what are we targeting um i'm actually just aiming for a pb okay because i don't want to put too much pressure on it's still i'm still very new to it yeah and i did across the finish line in London and I was like I actually don't think I can run that far ever again but then obviously gave it a week and I was like okay fine so you're you're quietly hoping for a 230 something I would have thought yeah sub 240 yeah but like I did so I did the big half you did as well and I was like oh my god I basically got to run this twice yeah oh yeah but you felt that as well yeah okay hang on let's have a quick okay good okay yeah no good because I'll tell you what And I think, let this be a confidence boost, perhaps to people listening who ran the big half and perhaps have a goal at the end of the year.

9:18I felt exactly the same way. So I did run my Valencia marathon pace for the full big half. Really, yeah. What did you run it in? Well, because you run slightly further, don't you? I ran 3.53 average pace. Okay. Yeah, but also the pace is a bit wrong. I ran 1.23. Okay. And it should be 1.22. at that pace. So, you know, but, you know, not racing line and whatever. That's no excuse. Obviously, my chip time is 123.05. So that's my half. It was hilly and windy at the end. Hilly, listen, we're not a couple of people here sitting complaining, right? No, no. But hilly, hot. Also, by the way, sneaky hilly as well.

10:02Like, honestly, I literally laughed when we were in that tunnel with the hill, right? We were underground for half the race. Went into tunnel. and I looked forward and there's this, I can honestly only describe it as, if you're unfamiliar with the big half, what would that gradient be on a treadmill? Like 3 %? Aggressive. 4 %? Like honestly, it was like, it was like hiking. You had to really engage. Mountain. For like a good, I want to say like three or 400 meter hike in the first, you know, six, seven K. I was just like, this isn't good for the next. You had music in, didn't you? Yeah. Oh, see, it was weird running through the tunnel with no music.

10:40it was like this weird like i don't know it it just felt really weird i i set off with a pal and i was like i'm bringing my music but i'm not gonna listen to it i'm gonna put it in at like the 10k mark just for like the last 10k like really amp myself up and we set off at uh three 49s yeah like with a tiny warm-up because we had to cross the bridge to drop his bag and so we kind of lost that and we ran over the bridge and we set off and literally like heart rate kind of came up quite quickly and i just straight away just like headphones and he was like are you listening to music i was like yep first k yeah i'm in uh no but the big half was um sketchy and sorry to finish my point yeah no chance of running that twice in a row at that pace like literally i got to the end and i think i vomited again i considered walking last 5k yeah did you actually i considered i didn't makes me feel so good but like it was quite hard but it's time we've got ages this is great though no but to be honest it's nice it is it's it's reassuring to hear that somebody that's a much faster runner than me felt that way yeah because it because you you do beat yourself up a bit like when you know i got to the end and steven and i aren't running together anymore but he was there and i went up and gave him a big hug and like he was with andy butchart who's also been on on the show and you know they're phenomenal runners i think and he ran a 62 or something and Stephen ran a 67 or 68 yeah and you know so they're just beasts at the front and uh and I went up to them and I was talking and Stephen was like so did you run that uh did you do a 118 did you do 118 or 119 that's where you need to be and I was like no Stephen I didn't run a 118 like I ran yeah like I ran a 123 and and he was like oh you're you're uh you're You're not where you need to be.

12:30And Andy was like, well, today's not the day to go fast. And I was like, what do you mean by that? And he was like, is that a PB? And I was like, yeah, it's a PB by like four minutes or something. And he was like, well, that's amazing. He was like, today is, you know, I'm like three minutes off my pace or something. And I was like, okay, great. Well, not three minutes off my pace. But like, it's not a fast course. Yeah. He said it's slow, hot, hilly, and definitely not the day to be pushing speed. And I went, thanks, Andy. That's what I like to hear. Is he doing Valencia? I don't know. No, no, no.

12:59Not sure. But Stephen was very good. We then went for a pint and we kind of had a good catch up. I think it was just, there was a moment. Yeah, yeah. It was the first time we'd seen each other since the breakup. And now I don't have a coach. No, do you not? No, because, yeah. Why? Well, Tiva, I was coached the whole way through track, cross country. I think for short distance, you need more like more specific training. whereas for a marathon I wanted to train with my marathon group in Battersea Park and that didn't really work with what I was being set and I love training with people I literally can't train by myself so I now just like do their sessions and we're all doing Valencia marathons so it's kind of ideal I literally can't believe you ran 242 in your first must have felt like the greatest experience possible yeah insane I mean it was really 30k really fun love that amazing vibes then it got really hard and I was like this is why people scared off of the marathon but I wasn't I wasn't desperate to do a marathon at all I just I I wanted to focus on like the shortest distance getting faster I feel like everyone suddenly jumps starts running and then suddenly is obsessed with doing a marathon and I feel like there should be a slight movement towards like improving your running form and actually improving as an athlete and learning how to run properly before you jump to long stuff yeah but I do love how people do the marathon and raise money and all that stuff but I do think there should be a slight shift I think there's there's marathon running to complete the marathon and then there's like training for a time yeah they do kind of feel like different sports to me yeah true running a marathon and you know gunning for a 245 is like the gunning for the 245 thing is really intense.

14:51Like it's quite stressful. But you've taken training serious. Like you have to take training really seriously if you're doing that and stack the mileage. Sometimes just life gets in the way though. Yeah. I think, you know, it's one of the issues that I faced with Stephen was that, you know, every so often something would just come up and I wasn't able to train and he, you know, he thinks that that wasn't acceptable. I said, well, you know, I'm not an Olympic athlete. I do think though, I think it's really important to like take a step back and realize like we aren't Olympic athletes like we aren't pro athletes we can kind of chill out like it's not that but also also it it has to be fun yeah I mean I do put you in a bit of a different league to me or you certainly have I think uh more potential than me and right I mean I'd love to talk to you about what your future holds but yeah I think as soon as you start to lose the love of running so like you don't want to you don't want to do the session because you think you might not quite make the session or, you know, and everything feels like a bit painful.

15:50It's sort of like, well, what am I gaining from this experience? The fun is chipping away at it. The fun is getting better. The fun's getting faster. You know, it's a guard rail for me. Like I, I have an addict mindset, like without something like running, keeping me on a, on a track, I'll get bored. I'll potentially abuse myself, you know, like, like I'll go and start drinking again. Do you know what I mean? So it's kind of, it keeps me honest. Yeah, yeah. What was your job? What did you do professionally? Pharmaceutical sales. But I was in the US last year. Could you get good sleeping pills and that over there?

16:27Oh yeah, bring them back. I actually take them before race because you can't sleep before race. Oh what? Melatonin. Do you actually? Yeah, well just melatonin so it's not a D but I do take that because otherwise like you're not sleeping the night before race. that's good to hear yeah which highly recommend I literally can't I can't sleep yeah well you need to take melatonin I was lying in a hotel hotel room in Tokyo no alcohol no nothing no that's how went to bed at like 8 and fell asleep at like 4 at one point I literally put a pillow over my face and like screamed into it so it was like not to upset the people next to me that's really bad it was hell I called everyone I called my wife I think that's really normal though to not be able to sleep before a race but just that feeling as well of like traveling the whole way across the world to go and like chase this sub three which means something to you yeah it's nothing to anyone else and then like you can't and then you can't sleep the night before and your whole world is over but it's the night before it's the night before sleep that matters yeah oh really there we go it's not the night before the night of the race it's the night before the night of the race yeah yeah yeah so i banked 10 hours that might be the ticket yeah that's the ticket because i always am stressed i can't see but it's actually the night before that's what matters so when you're in the u.s you you would take melatonin before races yeah i think well as you kind of we've discussed that you get so anxious before a race and it's so hard to sleep before a race i would solely rely on that melatonin for sleep but yeah it's nice that i mean melatonin in the u.s is like considered a supplement yeah whereas it's nice you can just kind of spank it for sleep yeah because it is you get angry you get like frustrated oh yeah i was i was like especially when the person next to you is asleep furious yeah yeah like furious but it's fine because you got 10 hours the night before yeah but that was probably why i couldn't sleep to be fair yeah true true do you notice any kind of core differences between us-based training and uk training yeah they're quite a big quite a few big differences i was training for completely different disciplines then though i was training for i My sole focus was 1500 and 5k cross country.

18:38But weirdly, my mileage was still like 100k weeks. Because in the US, they're really obsessed with just like kind of smashing. You just smash training and like you're an asset to the university. Like if you burn out, it doesn't really affect them. What's your 1500 time? 424. And I slaved away at that. and it's not like it doesn't even get you into British Champs. But I don't think I'm very good at the like lactic, my lactic threshold, lactate threshold isn't very good. Hence why I kind of moved to longer stuff because I think I've got more potential over longer distance. But lactic training, hell.

19:21Hell. That actual hell. I'd be on the track like I would cry after sessions. And I was like, why am I doing this? It's not fun. like that's my whole point of it being fun like you've got it's got to you've got to enjoy training otherwise you're not going to want to be consistent and you won't improve do you think that a lack of sleep and being like really jaded yeah on the start line like and in the race can be helpful or not have you have you been like that have you arrived at a race where you're just kind of like you're not really there no like Tokyo was a bit like that for me it was just kind of dialed in I was exhausted I kind of just like I almost kind of came we were doing it in 5k blocks so like I'd reset every 5k I tried to do that in London forgot every single one and I did like yeah I did like 6 sets of 5k of 406s and I literally was looking down and I was just like what is happening this is great I think you can do that for marathon distance but because it's not that aggressive of a pace whereas if you're doing 5k or 10k you've got to be switched on.

20:25You need your caffeine because it's aggressive. I love caffeine. Yeah. Have you noticed the way Josh Kerr talks about the mile and 1 ,500 metres as like a completely different sport? Completely different discipline. It's so bizarre. The mile, just for those who haven't done the quick maths, is 1 ,600 metres. Yeah, 100 metres is different. And obviously it's one side of the track more. It's four laps. So 1 ,600 metres, which is a mile, is four laps of the athletics track. 1500 meters is three and three quarters, but three and two thirds. Yeah. Three and three quarters, sorry. So it's, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but it's the same thing.

21:05For some reason for them, it's really different. I saw him giving an interview and he was literally, because they were saying, now that you have the world record in the mile, you know, are you going to go for the world record in the 1500? And he was like, I don't know. Like, it's so strategically different. And, you know, you kind of break it up differently. and I was like, what? It's the same thing. We'd love to know, like, yeah, in detail of that. Yeah. That's crazy. It's strange. Yeah, I do think from training, like, lactic training, 1500 training, I've learned that I can really push myself into, like, bad areas.

21:38And also, like, training doesn't need to be a punishment. Lactate, hell. It kind of sounds odd. I don't love the lactic acid. You can taste it in the back of your throat. Crikey. And then you just have to like, oh, it was so bad. But we do like 2K volume in sessions. Whereas now marathon training, it's like completely different. But I way prefer it.

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23:36For those that I'm sure absolutely everybody knows what lactate threshold is, just because everybody runs or is at least interested in running if you're listening to this. LT1, LT2 essentially are different lactate thresholds in your body. Essentially on LT1, so lactic threshold one, you're not so much on borrowed time. You can run a marathon pretty much in LT1. You'd be pushing it. LT2 is that feeling of I can't move my legs, right? So like you are on borrowed time. If you start to push into LT2, it's a release of lactic acid. Yeah. So if you take yourself to a track and you run 400 meters as fast as you can possibly run it, you're going to feel lactic acid build up in your legs.

24:25If you're going as hard as you possibly can, then you'll be into LT2. And basically, if your legs aren't full of lactic acid and able to still move, then you haven't pushed hard enough, essentially. Yeah. And that sort of training is hell. That's why I way prefer marathon training. Well, that's when you can't come back from it, really. I remember when I was first training with Stephen, like once you're into LT2, like you're done. It's just awful. Yeah. Whereas marathon training is kind of fun. Like it's quite satisfying. You get into a rhythm. You've got your gang with you. You listen to a bit of Tom Hardy.

24:58Yeah, it's great. You see everyone in Battersea Park. But no, training in the US was rough. And the coaching there is quite cutthroat. Yeah. because you are an asset. Like they don't really care about... When I got injured, it was like my... It was my fault. And I thought it's a bit weird because I'm doing all training. But yeah, I don't... Maybe I shouldn't cycle. We had some weird coaches. Going back to your nine to five, when did you realize that you wanted to quit your work to become... And does this... Are you moving into the professional running space? well I kind of realized there isn't much well firstly I don't think I have the potential to go pro like I think one I don't think my body's physically capable of that how old you know 24 24 well okay there's two things and then second thing I actually don't I the idea of a pro athlete lifestyle does not appeal to me like in the US I had a taster of it and it's just like you train and you sleep and that's basically your life and like I really value things outside of running so when you take away the fun it's like what's the point so my goal isn't to go pro because I actually just wouldn't really want that lifestyle right now I'm kind of enjoying being fast but having fun there's also like to make money from being a pro it's you have to be like top of your game olympian whereas like being a good influencer yeah it's like just as good yeah probably better i was thinking that this morning yeah i and i think it's a real it's a really good gap in kind of the not the gap in the market but like being sub-elite but showing that you've got personality like documenting your process is like the way forward it is interesting that i think there was an article in the in the telegraph that was basically saying that you know olympic athletes are just so underpaid and it would pay to have more personality and just be an influencer in that sport yeah 100 and you've like you kind of see olympians now getting into content and like vlogging their stuff because that's there's so much more potential than that yeah so i do obviously want to see how fast i can get over the marathon but i don't want to like make massive sacrifices is because like, what's the point?

27:23Do you find, and sorry, this isn't something that I was thinking about asking you to be honest, but I'm just curious. Do you find that running culture nowadays can be a bit toxic? I think it might be from like a jealousy point of view or just like people so want to see you fail. Yeah, particularly in my case. No, it's okay. But I think if you put a goal out there, I respect that so much because it holds yourself accountable. I do think like if you tell yourself you're going to get that, you're more likely. I think it's kind of manifesting, but I do think runners are bitchy and they do like to like interrogate everything.

28:03Like, oh, if he's doing that, he won't be able to do like this. I've come to really kind of hate the science of it. Where it's sort of like, well, if that's your time for a half, then you need to add this to your... It's like, who are you to tell me how my second half is going to go? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, how do you know that I'm going to be 12 minutes slow? running geeks out there i feel like those are like the og running fans yeah and they will love they love all that data where do you think that line i i love this question although it's it's really difficult to answer so i'll try and put some parameters around it just to make it easier otherwise it's a bit open-ended if you had two years yeah where your sole focus was to run the fastest marathon you could possibly run at the end of the two years where do you think with your mentality and physicality you could get to and I don't mind saying it's a good question yeah that is a great question it's good isn't it because it's fun to think yeah I mean around 2 30 but maybe that sounds cocky I don't know no but I don't think so I think that I do think that that's but yeah like I think my answer would be similar to that if it was your sole focus like if you didn't have to be a present husband father if you didn't have like work on if literally you could just be like a professional athlete not that either of us would want that but like if your sole focus was to get faster yeah two sessions a day what a sad life it would be oh 100 % like I interview professional olympic athletes in here or like you know Lucy Charles Barkley they probably have a great life but no I'm not saying yeah agreed sorry that could have come across that way but I'm it's not the life that I would yeah sometimes you know I was chatting to Lucy Charles Barkley is the world champ Ironman, female Ironman.

29:47And she trains like eight hours a day. Which is crazy. Something like that. Like in the pool, on a bike, running every single day. She's been constantly chatting. Eating, sleeping, training, TV. And that's kind of it. And it's amazing because what she's achieving is so impressive. And I love her. I think she's amazing. But it's that drive and dedication that kind of sets her apart i think from lots of well firstly people that aren't pro athletes but also some pro athletes because i think training as much as she trains is insane yeah you have to have some serious love for the game also we'd be allowed if we were doing this thing we'd be allowed the old hyperbaric chamber you could put the old altitude tent in over your bed you know this is like you're getting no pushback probably break the world record yeah yeah yeah we're getting we're getting no pushback from partners about having an altitude 10 over the bed yeah yeah exactly it is amazing isn't it some things that people do but even so i was in the us like a year over a year ago now and we had i had a year of just like training sleeping training and i think i realized then like i'm my whole life was about running then and i still was quite far off olympic like a very far off elite people athletes so i feel like that kind I learned from that that I don't want to do that anymore.

31:07And it kind of took away the joy for the sport. Hence why I kind of moved over to longer distance. It's interesting, isn't it? When you put it that way, it must be quite a, not a deflating feeling, but like an interesting feeling to kind of hammer away at something for that amount of time. Even though it is just a year, it's still a year. Still a long year. It's sort of like when you chat to a Rose Harvey, I'm always quite surprised by her story because she kind of like fell into running in lockdown or whatever and like ran a bit before, but not really. Yeah. Was super social and like had a job as a lawyer.

31:37And then all of a sudden was just like electric fast. Yeah. And it's sort of like, okay, like you're, you obviously have a natural gift. I think running's an amazing sport, similar to jujitsu in the sense where like, if you're not a gifted runner, you can become an incredible runner. If you just hammer away at it and, you know, give yourself to the sport, similar to jujitsu. If you're not a fighter, you can become incredible at ground game. if you focus on it for years and years. But it's one of those things where I do think natural talent. And you must have lots of natural talent. Yeah, I think I do to a certain extent.

32:14But I think those Olympic athletes are just insane. If I gave my all into the sport for a year, surely I would have got a bit further. Yeah, maybe. But I mean, I don't know. 2.42. 2.42. 2.42, lovely stuff. and 2.30 something coming up. Yeah, hopefully. In the cooker. Yeah. Do you still absolutely love it? Yeah. I think, well, you do train with people, don't you? I think when I, did I see, no, sorry, I saw Rose yesterday. I was running a session on my own yesterday. Oh, really? I have a little group. It's really lame. We call ourselves the Mighty Ducks. Vogue literally, like, is, I told her the other day that she can never be a duck, right?

32:56Because she doesn't, she doesn't, like she doesn't have a love of running in the way that we do and she was like i don't want to be a fucking duck so so anyway um so we are the ducks yeah and we we kind of like send a bat signal out you know like every day basically so i'll put my week of training in the thing and everyone will go great i'll do wednesday i'll do thursday i'll do friday and there's like a little group of us so usually i've got at least one duck that comes with me someone rocks up sometimes there's like five of us. Yeah. Right. But sometimes I'm alone, which was yesterday. Oh God, that's rough.

33:28Grim. Yeah. Hell. Well, that's what I was going to say. I, I love it now because I'm training with people. Like I rock up at 7am hating my life. And then actually I see all my friends and I'm like, oh, this is great fun. Session can be kind of rough, but afterwards it's so fun because you're with your friends. We run the opposite way from everyone. Do you do that clockwise? Yeah. You do that on purpose? Yeah. Well, sorry, clockwise you run. You run the opposite way that everyone does. I don't know. Yeah. Clockwise. yeah but it's quite like my wife you don't know left and right no i do know my left and right but it's like kind of hard to visualize my wife uh she said something to gigi the other day she was literally just like she was inferring that gigi should have known better or something and she turned around she goes well you don't know you're left from your right that is six yeah i thought that's really funny yeah yeah stumped as well how are you coming back from that especially when it's true that's yeah I've never really understood people that don't know they're left from their right because it never changes yeah left right yeah and that's and it's just like that is your left hand it's just like non-negotiable that's left yeah always will be but yeah we run the opposite way so that we can see people which is great clockwise yeah I saw you and Jordan doing your like your 5k yeah all out you also saw that you were witness to the 10k which I was quite disappointed by because i think for me yeah well you actually huh because i think you've just got to push through the pain i i basically i i basically bitched out of of a 10k because uh i wasn't gonna because i i put so much pressure on the time yeah and as soon as i i vomited i had a i had a it's quite famous now this panini yeah uh i had i had a lots of people now comment hashtag panini on on my stuff um i had a big panini also just in passing you don't need to carb load for a 10k it's 10k so like you literally do not need to carb load so i was carb loading uh don't know why don't carb load an hour before a race i know i know but i don't i maybe you were hungry i literally i was a bit hungry but literally i actually do not know what was going on right sometimes when you're nervous and anxious you just like eat i get that yeah but also i just put tons of pressure on the time and on the splits and so i was so hooked into the splits and i was running like 338s for the first like 6k or five and a bit k and then you fell off like that and then it kind of i could feel it all here and it was just disgusting and i stopped yeah vomited and also i was a bit dehydrated so it was like really like thick ghastly like sandwich vomit that it just didn't spray out nicely.

36:11It was solid. You weren't getting back on the course. No, no. And then I thought, well, then I thought, I've been stood here for like a minute and a half. So my time is dust. So the race is over. Yeah. And then I said hi to her. And then I was like, oh my God, I can't not finish. I just had this momentary weird lapse. Then I ran a K at like 3.29. Then I kind of pulled up again. And I was just like, what am I doing? Like the race is over. And then I, yeah, the whole thing was a wild mess. Learning curve. I think, yeah. I flew all the way to Boston for a 5k race Indoors, 25 laps And I pulled out at 20 laps 25 laps, 10k?

36:47No, indoors So it's 200 But I pulled out so close to the finish But sometimes you just can't do it And I feel like when you pull out of a race You learn from it And you're like, you're never going to pull out again I can wholeheartedly agree with that Because similar to you in the big half afterwards That was like my comeback like in my next race and similarly to you I thought the last 4k was like literal hell and I considered flinging myself onto the ground or something I was just like if I slipped here that would be fine wouldn't it and then I thought I actually physically can't do that because of what happened at the 10k so I was like I just have to To be fair, it's also quite like, I've hardly got a presence on social media now, but even knowing that you've got to post your race after, it's kind of motivation.

37:42Now I was in that last 5K and I'm like, I actually can't walk because I've actually got to post it. That's another thing with the 10K thing. I just, like, we were filming it as part of an episode and I just forgot, right? So it finished because they were on the other side of the cameras and I was like walking a bit and I was like, oh my God, like we're filming this. Like literally, when I got around to the other side, the guy was there with the camera and I was just like, I'm not racing anymore turn it off yeah yeah no it's sad yeah but I also think those Battersea races in the evening are just the worst hell you've got it all like you're waiting for it all day that's why I don't do 5k's anymore races should all be at like 8am yeah that's why I love Parkrun because like it's over with and I love longer distance because they're all in the morning but like an evening race when you're thinking about it all day it's just like the worst it feels sick too much time to be tempted by a Panini yeah you know if it's just knocking on the door all day.

38:34You know, at some point you're going to give in. Yeah, yeah. So fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. I gelled as well before it. Like, can you imagine? Like, what is going on? You didn't warm up, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Anyways, much to learn from it. Yeah, there was a lot to learn. Yeah. Give us some insight into your mentality when you wake up, your legs are a bit sore, you've done loads of miles that week, you run 120K a week, something like that, or on 2130. Yeah. Like surely you wake up sometimes You just go I just can't be bothered today Yeah I do When it's like dark outside And it's 6am And I'm trying to like Shovel down a crumpet At like 6am Yeah I do sometimes think that Is that a fine source of carbs?

39:13Yeah I love a crumpet Crumpet's your go-to? Yeah crumpet Crumpet and banana It's great Have you tried many other things? What is it about the crumpet? Toast It's just great Great texture Just nice Just taste it Yeah I just love a crumpet Okay fine easy to digest butter butter yeah honey yeah salt not salt no try a bit of salt with your honey really oh yeah no no seriously give it a go yeah okay I'll do that next time I've got a very very sensitive stomach so I've got to take it very easily yeah did you see the high rocks woman yeah how about that quite bad it's I I don't think it's I well I think I have a few thoughts about it I have a few thoughts about it.

39:59I think that, like, I do think it's up to High Rocks to remove her from the race. I agree. I don't think it's up to her to DNF herself. Because I think if you're in a race, you're so locked in. You are kind of selfish because you're just thinking about the win. I mean, it happens in marathons. Yeah, you're outside. But yeah, it's quite antisocial. I'm not sat on the old rowing machine covered in shit. Yeah, that's quite rough. It is a bit. I think so. If I had to jump on the old row or after, I'd probably say, you know, any chance of a spare machine. just like so surprised that they didn't just like pull her out or shut it down but you know if somebody's listening to this thinking about running their first marathon what would you say three essential things are that they need to lock down before hitting that start line number one learn to push through the pain yeah find that pain cave go into it don't be scared of it because a marathon's gonna hurt i think to practice racing over shorter distances you don't need to jump into the marathon learn how to become a more efficient runner first and then you'll you'll do better in the marathon and three build your mileage I think a lot of people jump into the marathon and have never run that far like before and then never run ever again because they get injured slash hate running because the process is so traumatic um so I yeah I think mileage is really important as well so that you can bounce back and you don't hate it.

41:26I think the naivety is quite a good thing. Like generally, I think naivety is a bit of a superpower. Like you try things that, you know, people haven't had the time to advise you isn't right, but you learn from that. But I do think before people do a marathon, they should practice like racing a shorter distance because a marathon's a really long way. It's funny, isn't it though? because if there was a way of just knowing how to remain in the headspace that you and I have both been in, where you're floating at a great pace and just life feels tremendous, how do we secure that? Yeah, it's true. For your big half, for example, I know we keep coming back to the two same races, but for your big half, you said that the last bit was hell.

42:16I'm actually again delighted to hear that because I felt the same how long was it into that race that you began to feel like Christ I'm kind of up against it here a bit did it happen early for me it happened really early I was I remember running past someone on the bridge and he was like oh should we run this together like I'm aiming for 117 I thought I kind of want faster than that and I was like yeah sure but I do yeah 10 and then 15k I was like okay only only a parkrun left and then the last 5k but I do think that's probably where like our mindsets from like practicing being uncomfortable we did stay locked in whereas I do think a lot of people would think oh this is too much I'm just gonna walk whereas I physically didn't let myself do I wish you all the luck in the world for your 239.59 sub yeah sub 240 sub anything I mean we're going to be maybe I can just start five minutes ahead of you and we can finish together hopefully I mean that would be a great day you'll be running next to me anyway good luck thank you so much for coming in I thought you were fantastic first ever podcast yeah Inca Padfield exclusive podcast crazy out now Wow.

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